Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 445 - Mark Participates in Gangbangs, Threesomes, Swapping and More

Episode Date: January 24, 2022

Mark participates in gangbangs behind his wife's back and he calls in to talk all about it. When did he join the lifestyle? Why hasn't he shared it with his wife? When did he start going to gangbangs and how many has he been to? Tune in to find out plus hear all about how his first wife opened up their relationship with a surprise threesome, how they joined the lifestyle and how they liked to play, started swapping, how he slept with his best friends wife, how he hired male masseuse to give his new wife a surprise, naughty massage and how she felt about it, how he found guy on reddit to secretly spy on them having s-e-x on a balcony, how he has threesomes and goes to swingers parties behind her back and where he hides all his "evidence," how the gangbang coordinator finds all the girls who participate, how he wants to tell his wife what he's into, why he hasn't yet told her as well as advice on how he can go about opening up to her and a whole lot more. **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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and I want people to comment on this one because today I have on a guy named Mark. Now Mark, you know, is in a marriage. He's been with his wife for eight years and they have a, he says they have a pretty vanilla sex life and he wants her to, you know, do more because he has been in the lifestyle and continues to be in the lifestyle behind her back for the whole eight years. He did a lot of stuff with his ex-wife. We talk about that. but there's stories in this

episode that I've never heard before stuff that he set up with his wife like a massage I mean that he set up with his wife that she's done and the stuff that he set up on Reddit with guys I mean I'm not going to get too into it because you'll have to listen to the episode to hear them so you know I wouldn't consider their relationship so vanilla but I would consider what he does behind her back

the opposite of vanilla I mean this guy does gang bangs he swaps he meets up with couples he goes to swinger parties uh you know and what he's looking for right now is to get her into doing all that with him now i think there's a good chance that he can get her into that uh that's what i want you guys to comment after you listen to this whole episode give mark some advice if you don't if you're not on youtube that's where you could go uh to comment on episodes go there because he'll be reading them. But this story is fascinating.

Like I said, I've heard some stories on here that I never heard before. He talks about all, I mean, this guy's been to like 40 or 30 or 40 gangbangs. He's like, he's been on Fat Life,

the stuff that he doesn't read it. It's all fascinating. Like I said, because that's like done on the DL, but the stuff that he did with her and the stuff that went down with his ex-wife is not on the DL is super interesting too.

So I'm just going to get right to it and be back on. with Mark. Welcome to a strictly anonymous podcast. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Yeah, so listen, Mark, what I know of you, the only thing I know is it sounds like a very typical problem is, you know, you're married, you're not happy with your sex life and that it's like very vanilla. I don't know, would that be the right word? And so what you do and or have been doing is like living out your fantasies and things that you want to do behind your wife's back.

Is that correct? Are you cheating? Is that what you're doing? as far as living out your fantasies? And what are those fantasies? In a nutshell, yeah, I guess you could say I'm cheating, you know. I have a pretty wide and open imagination when it comes to sex. I have done probably everything that you can think of. but I have tried slowly to open her up and kind of just try new things with her and slowly I haven't been able to reach that and I'm trying to do it without scaring her away at the same time.

We've been together for a while and I'm trying to just take baby steps into it. Sometimes I feel I'm getting a couple steps forward and then I jump 10 steps backwards. So I have been acting out these fantasies and what really gets me going with other females. Behind her back. How long have you been with your, it's your wife, right? How long have you been with your wife? I've been with her for eight years. Okay.

And so now did you go into this? Like, I mean, has the sex always been sort of the same? And now just recently you've been pulling out your freak flag and saying, hey, let's try this and try that. I mean, has it taken you eight years to kind of start to try and push her into the direction? I mean, have you been cheating for the whole eight years?

No, I have not been cheating the whole eight years. Sex has always been, you know, as you mentioned, pretty vanilla. The last couple years, I've started wanting a little bit more. You know, getting older. We're fairly close in age.

And it just seems that I want more. of it. So by trying to crack her. Yeah, but you said that you've done basically everything. Now, is it that you've done basically everything recently behind her back or before you met up with her? You know, were you always doing stuff and then you met with her, you know, you got with her for it. And for the past eight years, it's been pretty, you know, vanilla. Just all in general. I've done a lot over the years. My previous relationship, we were a lot more open than what I am now. And I'm just trying to get that vibe back.

I'm trying to get that spice back. But I'm trying to do it with her. Yeah, which is not getting it back. It's starting it up. I mean, getting it back would be like you had it once. You've never had it with her. Exactly. Yeah.

Not with her now. So I'm trying to get that with her. Now when you... Yeah. Because I just, you know, I think it will make us both a lot happy. but at the same time I don't want to scare her away at the same time. Well, what are some of the things that you've done that you're into that you're doing behind her back that you think might scare her?

I mean, I've done swapping with other couples in the past. I've done threesomes. I've done gangbangs. I've done, you know, stuff in public. I've done, I mean, you'd name it. I've fucked my friend's wives. Oh, my God. Yeah, that's all hardcore stuff. Yeah, and it's like, but nothing ever, you know, that made me happy, happy at the moment, yes. But I said, you know what, if I can do it with my wife, it would just make everything so much better.

I think all the way across the board, I think our relationship will get better. Just like everyone else, we're normal. We have arguments. We have our ups and downs. But sometimes I think that there's something missing. And like I said, every time I get a couple steps forward, we jump at Houston. backwards. Mm-hmm.

And I'm just really doing whatever I can to get her to open up. Well, let's go back to this list of things that you've done because it's pretty cray-cray, right? I mean, like, you know, I mean, gangbangs fucking your friend's wives. Like, are these things that you did when you were married before? You know, how do you wind up sleeping with your best friend's wife? Was it a swapping situation? Let's get some stories.

And like I said, did these things happen with your, in your previous relationship? they started in the previous relationship and then you know things like the gangbangs and stuff those have come more recent uh i've joined uh fed life and i've met a few people on there where i can openly talk about it i don't have too many people i can't just go to all my friends and say man i really want to do this what what should i do or blah blah blah it's kind of a secret life yeah um it started out in my previous relationship where same thing we were going through something rocky and we were on the verge of breaking up

and then one day I come home come home to my normal argument that I come home to every day it was just argument after argument after argument well my previous relationship she had her friend over and her friend just kind of gave me a look you know a weird look like oh you guys are arguing again

so I try to keep to myself excuse me I just you know got home from work jump in the shower. And when I get out, I go into the room and her and her friend are both sitting there naked on the bed. What? Like out of nowhere. You had never played or done anything?

Nothing. Nothing. Interesting. This is like a porn. Yeah. That's what it seemed like. I've seen the scene somewhere before. Yeah.

So I got off of work and, you know, take my shower and I get out. And the bathroom is connected to our bedroom. Didn't think anyone was in there. So I walked out and just had a towel around me. And both her and her friend are just sitting there butt naked. And I kind of stood there for a second, a little confused. I said, what? You know, what's going on?

And she said, well, I want to try to fix this. I said, so you and your friend are sitting here just butt-ass naked and staring at me? Yes, 100%. I said, okay. So now what? Well, her friend got up. and started to touch me. And she came and she started to touch me.

And next thing you know, we were in bed. We were having a threesome. At the end, you know, it would great. Don't give me wrong. It was great at the end. Her friend got up, said goodbye and left. Wow. Wow.

Okay. This is a little odd. We didn't talk. We didn't, the next day woke up, went to work. But I kept thinking about it. I kept thinking about it. So I said, when I get home today, I'm going to have a conversation with her. I'm going to talk to her.

I'm going to talk to her. and ask her what was this about. So I come home, we start the conversation, and she basically tells me that I wanted to try to spice things up for us. I said, well, what made you think that I would want to be into this? She says, what guy wouldn't want to be into this? Couldn't argue with her with that.

So it happened that one time, and a holiday was coming up, and there was a holiday party between, you know, friends and family that we knew and things like that. it happened again that night. So it started becoming a more regular thing. What do you mean the friend came over? Same friend?

The same friend came over and you know around everybody we were just, we were all cordial hey, how you doing? Happy holidays. You know, we ate dinner, we had some drinks and so on and so forth and then when everybody left and the night was ending, we would do it again.

So I said, man, this is kind of cool because now we can have fun like this and we don't have to, you know, look strange because, you know, some people, they might frown upon it and, you know, they might have their judgment or their opinion about what we're doing, but I thought that it was the coolest thing that I can have a life during the day and a life that night. So we started exploring a little bit more. We started at that time, it was Craigslist, you know, we would look on Craigslist and

look for people that were hosting parties. and lifestyle parts. So I started learning a little bit more about the lifestyle. You know, there's people that swap. There's people that have same room swap. There's people that have, you know, two guys on one girl or two girls on one guy. I said, man, I can get used to this. So, yeah.

So it started now. It came to the time where she came and said, hey, you know, you get to sleep with my friend. What if I get to sleep with another man? I said, well, I don't want you sleeping with one of my friends because something were to happen between us or between, you know, them. I'm going to be the tough, because I still wasn't as 100% how should I say comfortable with it. So I said, you know what, if that's what you want to do, that's fine, but I got to be there. Oh, yeah, of course, of course. So we ended up meeting someone at one of these parties that was a couple of women.

didn't meet me a couple. And that couple, they would play together and they would play separate. So she was really into this guy. Oh, he's a nice guy. Very professional people. And she says, I want to try with him. So here I go, the new person that doesn't know anything about this lifestyle, let me go open this conversation with this guy.

Hey, you want to, you know, fuck my girlfriend. And he, you know, hey, man, I understand, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And next thing you know, they were in a bed together, and I was just hanging out, watching. And I thought that that was the hottest thing. There was, you know, no humiliation, no nothing like that. But it was just something about watching her get pleasureed, not by me. Yeah, isn't that interesting? Probably you didn't even, wouldn't have even known that you were into that.

I mean, I've heard it so many times before that a lot of people would say, like, oh, I would never, like a lot of guys, I think, if they've never experienced it, 100. 100% because it would say oh I would never be into that like no way I can you know but maybe some of those people

if it happened they might change their mind and be like oh for some reason like this is a turn on yeah and there's just like I said it's kind of hard to explain you know you see different

scenarios you watch different porn and things like that and then there's ones where you know the guys getting humiliated and this I'm not into any of that. I just like to see her get pleasureed. Yeah.

And vice versa. She used to enjoy watching me pleasure someone while she was there. And that's what I've been trying to do now with my wife. And I still haven't. I've tried everything. And like I said, yeah, I've gotten a little bit here, a little bit there. So rewind a couple of years ago, we, had one of, you know, normal ups and downs where we stopped talking for a little bit.

And when we got back together, this was before we were married. When we got back together, we went out one night. We got a hotel room and just said, you know, we're just going to have fun for the night. Nothing crazy. We're just going to go somewhere and have fun for the night. So after, you know, have gone the first round because we went a few times that night, I don't know how the subject came up, but we were talking about, I said, what, man, what would you do if somebody was looking through the window?

And she goes, well, that wouldn't happen because we're eight or nine floors up. I said, I know, I'm just, you know, hypothetical. She goes, well, what can I do? What am I going to either keep going or get up and close the curtains? Well, she began to tell me that way before me that she was hooking up with a guy, and as she was hooking up with the guy, the guy's friend walked in, and the guy just basically sat down.

She got a little bit bugged out at the beginning, but she didn't stop. The guy didn't stop. And the guy's friend walked in and just basically sat across from them, pulled the dick out, and just started stroking, to them having sex. And the guy basically took care of himself.

He finished. He got up and walked out. I said, so you didn't stop? She goes, no, I didn't. And I said, man, bingo, here we go. You know, this is, this is going to be it. Yeah. So we talked about it a couple times and things like that.

And then now she started opening up a little bit more about her fantasies. And her fantasies were for someone who's as vanilla as she is and still is, she goes, I have a rape fantasy. I said, what do you mean a rape fantasy? She said, well, I just want someone to just grab me and basically have their way with me. I said, a stranger, she goes, well, you, but eventually, you know, I want to have this fantasy. And so we have done different things where we can, where we try to act that out. I've tried buying different types of outfits for her to wear, even though they end up coming off anyway. but it's just something about her that I want to share my lifestyle or my secret lifestyle, I should say, with.

That's what I want. I think she's hot. I think she's beautiful. She's got a beautiful body. And I just want her to basically be that one to live out everything with. Right. But I know that I asked you earlier and I forget what you said, but like have you just, have you old? always tried subtly throughout the whole eight years to get her into things. Well, because I,

because I guess like you said, a couple of years ago, you know, she told you this like hot story, which and you're like, okay, bingo, like I can work with that. Um, but I mean, did you go into this relationship, letting her know what you were into or you're just not really kept everything like a secret? Does she know anything about your past life as far as like all the stuff that you've done? No, when it comes to that, no. I would say, not the whole eight years, I would say probably consistently, probably the last three, four years. I've tried the hands here and there.

So about halfway through it. So the farthest you've got with her, right, the farthest you've got with her has been just getting her to mock up the situations like role play. Like you do role plays with all her fantasies, correct? Is that it? Yeah, for the most part. And then recently her birthday came up and I said, you know what? I want to have some kind of different enjoyment for tonight.

So what I did was as I thought, and I thought, what can I do? What can I do? So basically I hired a male masseuse to come to a hotel because I didn't want to bring just some random person into our home. I hired this guy that I saw online. and basically hired him, had a conversation with him, he told me, okay,

I could do this and this and this. Now, when I saw a picture of the guy, I said, okay, this guy, the way, all his pictures,

this shows that women loved her too. So, basically her birthday came. I was at work. I had her, um, get a room, I got a room,

had her meet me there. But before I went there, I left little notes all over the room. You know, when you get here, I had drinks, for us and this and that. I said, get naked.

Show me proof and just wait for your surprise. So long story short, she did that. And when I get there, she's naked. I start, you know, talking to her and tell, okay, well, what's going on? So I told her I saw I got a surprise for you. So we ended up fucking right before this guy came. So I went, I said, I'll drive back to your surprises here, went downstairs, met the guy, okay, this is what it is. and when we came back into the room

now she's surprised because now myself and another individual walked in and she's just laying there naked on the bed. I told her I got you someone that's going to give you a massage. It was a X amount of time massage. I think it was an hour, hour and a half. And at first she seemed a little bit

you know, bugged out, a little bit bothered that she's never been butt naked having another guy touch her. Yeah. Yeah, I just kind of sat there, hung out. well when he started of course he started with the top he started with the back of her neck and working his way down but now when it got down to the waist he pulled her she was just wearing a thong he pulled the thong off as he's massaging i can hear her that she's wet and i and i said okay now she seemed a little bit

bothered at first but that's not just happening because it's happening so massage was done on the back part, and he says, okay, turn over. So now she's sitting there completely naked, tits out, you know, everything just out. And he gave her a massage and this and that. Okay, massage is done. So when the guy left, we ended up talking about it, and I said, I didn't know if it bothered you or not, but I wanted to do something nice for you that was in our own privacy. She was, oh, no, it was a great massage.

I feel good. But we ended up having the best sex that night. So I think it was something that slowly getting into her head and slowly turning her on, the fact that there was another man groping her, rubbing her, making her wet, everything in front of me. And I was loving it. Even though nothing actually happened, just something about that. Just I loved it. Yeah, for sure.

I mean, how long ago was this? This was mid-last year. I mean, listen, if she was down for that, you know, you could take the next step. I was thinking that that masseuse was going to fuck her. Like, I mean, you know, I mean, did you guys have any discussions about it? That, like, could have turned into a lot more. We didn't have too many discussions about that. She just said that it was kind of strange.

And I said, yeah, I know, but it wasn't nothing intentional. You know, I just wanted to do something nice for you, which I did. we both were both hardworking people and, you know, a lot of stress. And we love getting massages together. Just in general, nothing crazy about them. We just like getting massages. So I said, you know what? I thought, let me do something nice like this.

She goes, oh, no, it was a great idea. It was a great thought. I loved it. I enjoyed it. But she goes, were you intending something else? I said, I wanted to see how you would react. Well, the same hotel also has a balcony. And here's the next thing that I did.

It's a local hotel close to us here. And I recently, since I started my quote-unquote secret lifestyle, I also got on Reddit. And Reddit, you can find anything on Reddit. I mean, you name it, you can find it. Well, there's one thing where people, there's one, I guess you would call it thread. There's one Reddit thread that people talk about, you know, confessions and, you know, personal ads and things like that. And for the most part, there's a bunch of weirdos on there. Well, I started posting pictures of her body, no face, just her body. And I started getting a great reaction

from these posts. And people were commenting and they were DMing me and they were sending me, you know, tribute pictures where they're, you know, basically stroken to her pictures. And what they would like to do with her and things like that. So I started, I said, you know, I don't want to keep her pictures out there. So I'll post a picture. I'll get some feedback from it. And then I delete it. A couple days later, I'll put another one on there.

I make sure that everything is edited to where I don't see, you don't see her face or any, you know, marks or anything like this. So I would do that. Now, one guy says, man, I would love to watch you and her in action. I don't post pictures of myself on there because I have to keep discretion because of work and things like that. And one guy says, man, I would love I'm local to you and this and that. So I told my, so we're actually going to be planning on getting a hotel this day and there's a balcony, which that's the one we like to hang out on. And basically what the guy did was if he came and there's a parking lot down below, he parked.

and we got the room, we started drinking, we started hanging out, just talking. Well, we ended up fucking on the balcony. Well, I made a deal with this guy that if you're going to sit there and watch, you have to take pictures and you have to send them to me. And that was another hot thing.

Wow. Wait, did she know? No, she didn't know. Oh, wow. And there's no way, and there's no way you could tell that anyone was there. and I mean just pictures I have her bent over

her tits are sitting on the actual balcony ledge and people can see there's restaurants that are close by I mean they can't see you know 100% clear but you can see what's going on let's be realistic and it was just cool because there was people

sitting out on the patio eating I got this guy down there just watching and it was the coolest thing But she was getting off on the fact that she knew that people were watching too, right? That was what you guys... Yes, yes, because that's one thing that we have talked about was I want to try balcony sex. I mean, we've talked about, you know, going to one of these rundown, not rundown, but a lower class motel where the windows are open on the first floor. You know, having that chance of somebody walking by and catching us.

Sort of like an exhibitionist type thing. and yeah that was that was a pretty good night and I thought okay she's gonna come out here she's gonna sit up here for a couple minutes we're gonna do something and then we're gonna go back inside finish it off inside of the bed but we were out there for a good I want to say 20 to 30 minutes

you know she'll come down she'll give me head you know I'll come down I'll go down on her bend her over the ledge the balcony just watching her get you know slams from the back. Her tits are just bouncing up against the, I guess you would call the patio rail, but she loved it. And what happened with those pictures?

When did you get those? And did they, I mean, did you get a bunch of pictures from this guy? I got probably about eight to ten pictures the next day. I was able to save them. We kind of went about our own waves and that was it. This guy that, like I said, I met him through Reddit. He was also, you know, somewhere in the same. the same situation as me where he was having his secret life.

I ended up being a really cool dude. We still talk here and there. But I try not to meet too many people from there because, like I said, there's a bunch of weirdos out there. They like to screenshot your pictures. I don't really share pictures of her. But I met the guy before. He was all right.

So that was all that you did with him. I mean, that's pretty creative. I've never heard that kind of story before, and I've been doing my show for. for seven years. Yeah, like I said, I've been trying to do whatever I can to try to crack this shell.

Well, listen, you didn't tell her that the guy was there. So that was more like, I mean, I guess, you know, that was for you. The guy down there was for you. And then cracking the shell was just taking her out

and like having her to get into the fact that other people were watching, which she is into. I mean, I think the male masseuse thing is pretty hardcore. I think a lot of women would have shut that down and the fact that she didn't is pretty great. Like, did you ever talk about how it turned you on?

Like, did you cop to the fact that it turned you on to see her with another guy? Like, that was like the perfect scenario for you to, you know, bring up the fact that that's like a hot to you. I would say the deepest conversation and the most thorough conversation that we had about that night was after the masseuse left and we were we were fucking we were talking about it like you know remember when he grabbed you like this yeah blah blah yeah and and that was like I said that just intensified it more for me and for her fact that yeah and for her and like I said I don't have too many friends that I can talk to you know you meet people that are in in that sort of lifestyle

that type of lifestyle where they have friends but see they mean meet these friends when they go out to places. I don't have too many people that I can come to and I can say, hey, you know what, this is what I want to do because it would be a lot easier. But unfortunately, I don't have that. And I'm not going to go, I'm not planning on spark in this conversation with, you know, just one of my random friends as we're sitting and talking, having a beer. No, most people don't.

You know, this is like, and I think that's what's missing in your relationship is you want to be able to do that with her. Correct. I want to be able to be as open as possible. I don't want to have to have the secret life. Now, I'm not saying that I need her to go to a gang-bang party with me and just lay down. You've got

20 guys just hanging out and taking. I don't need that. I just want the... We've been together long enough, in my opinion. I think we've been together long enough to where there's security. There's no reason for us to be insecure with one another. You know,

when we first started talking and dating, if a guy would look at her the wrong way, I would say something. I'd make it known. And now, it's, you know, hey, show it off. You know, why don't you wear this? Why don't you wear that? What do you mean?

You'd make it known that you didn't like it, is what you're saying in the beginning. Oh, no, I would say something to the guy. I was crazy when I was younger. Right, right, right. That's what I say. Keep looking. I'm going to knock your ass out.

Right, and now here you are, the wanting her to get fucked by somebody else and watch it. It's interesting. Exactly. Exactly. You know, times change people. You know, when we go, when we would go, we go places that are, you know, big events and things like that. I'll see guys staring at her. I'm not going to lie. I'm not saying that because she's my wife, but she's a very attractive woman. And she does get attention, but she doesn't go out and looking for the attention. You know, she covers up as much as she possibly can.

But when we go out, we go out. Of course, you know, women are going to wear tight dress. and, you know, a little revealing here, little revealing there. And I see the people that, and I see the attention that she draws. You know, I've gotten more and more used to it and more and more comfortable, and now it's more and more of a turn-on for me. But do you tell her that? In a way, yes, I just tell her that, you know, that's hot. Like, let them look, let them stare.

At the end of the day, you're coming home with me. and that's what it is. So now, like, when we go places I tell her, why don't you wear this? Why don't you wear that? Something that I know that I want to see, and I know that's going to grab someone's attention. Someone's going to look.

Right. But that's what I try to point out here and there. I want that story of how you fucked your best friend's wife. Oh, that one kind of came as an accident. Like I said, you know, you don't have to. to many people to talk to. My buddy and his wife are actually in the lifestyle. And they've been in the lifestyle for a while.

That's how I kind of learned a little bit more about it by after this happened. So my buddy and I, we have a lot of similar interest where we go to the same events. We're in the same line of work and things like that. So we do spend a lot of time together. We do communicate a lot. And it came over to his house one time.

picked him up. We were going to an event for work, and we went out to the event. We did what we had to do. And now the day's starting to unwind. We're having a few drinks. And he tells me that his wife is going to come meet us, meet him so they can go to dinner and things like that. I said, okay, that's cool. I'll go find something for myself to do. So, long story short, after a couple drinks, he kind of introduced the fact that he's in the lifestyle.

So I'm playing dumb. What's the life? What do you mean? Oh, this is what we do. You know, we have a group of friends that we swap with. You know, sometimes with certain people we play separate. So I said, oh, man, that sounds like fun, you know. A little strange, but it sounds like fun. He says, yeah, yeah, man, you know, it's one thing that you build it.

It's just like building your relationship. You build that second relationship with your wife, your girlfriend, so on and so forth. So he goes, do you think my wife is attractive? I said, oh, she's very attractive. You know, I'm not going to lie to you. What do you like about her? And I kind of still felt a little bit bugged up telling my friend, oh, yeah, deep down in the back of my head and saying I want to go balded deep into her. Right.

But, yeah. And I said, I think she's very attractive. I think you hit the jackpot. You know, she looks too good to be with you. Ha, ha, ha. Throw a joke out there. Well, the whole time he was on his phone, you know, sending a text here, sending a text there. I'm not thinking of anything of it because we both have to communicate with a lot of people for work.

I figure he's talking to somebody. And he goes, okay, well, one more drink. So we have one more drink. We went up to his room. And next thing, you know, his wife was getting ready. And he goes, go ahead. And I said, what do you mean? Go ahead.

And he goes, that's for you. Go ahead. And I just kind of sat there. I said, so go ahead, meaning I can go do what I want. He said, yeah, go ahead. He goes, that's why I've been texting the whole time. I guess he was talking to her after a couple drinks. got a little bit loose.

So it was a little awkward at first. I'm not going to lie, because I've known her for many years. I've known him for even longer. But slowly I started to get into that mode, that comfort where I said, you know, I could do this. Well, we started doing with your basic foreplay. She started going down on me. I went down on her. We're 69.

And then now it's time to actually get it going. So she rolls over. She wants it from behind. she wants a doggy. So I start going at it, you know, grabbing her by the hips and kind of reaching around, grabbing her tits at the same time. And she looks at my friend and she kind of gave him, you know, a little wink and a nod come over here. So we ended up tag teaming her.

And I just, that was it. I was stuck. I said, man, I can get used to this. I can get used to this. Right. Now, does this happen while you're with your wife? this didn't this happened before okay but other stuff has happened you know like I said I did join FetLife and Fet Life has a section for events and I've met a few really cool people there's a couple

people that host parties and things like that were no pressure that they last for you know however many hours and you go over there you hang out you meet new people sometimes you meet the girls and then the girls say oh well you know this is just an event that we that I did I do this for fun, but here's my number and things like that. So that's kind of how I started building the separate and second life, I guess you would say. Because you see these people and you have sex with them and all stuff goes down with those people outside of even the parties. Exactly. You know, hey, you want to grab a beer.

Some of them, they live local. Some of them they travel for work. You'd be surprised how many women that travel for work like to do these things. I've met so many women in the last couple years that, you know, oh, I travel for work. I do this, I do that. When they come to a particular city, that's where they just get to let loose. That's interesting. And are they typically married and doing this on the download themselves?

Do you think? It's a 50-50. Some of them, they're very open. They tell me, you know, they tell me, you know, I'm married, my husband knows he doesn't know, or, hey, I'm just single, I'm divorced. and I'm just trying to live out my fantasies as well. That's the cool thing what I like about going to these parties or these events is. Everyone's there for a re-everybody has their own story,

and everybody's story is fairly different, you know. Yeah. There's one guy that I met where his wife was there, and she was one of the girls that were getting gangbank, but she's very particular on who she picks. She won't just let anyone, you know, jump in bed. with her and said, okay, let's get it on. And I said, what do you mean?

So I watched her. I didn't say anything. I just kind of stood off to the side. And I see guys come up and she, you know, very respectfully. She says, no, not you. I'm waiting. I'm waiting for someone or, you know, this person is next or so on. And something that she's not being rude about.

And when I walked in, I smiled. I said, hello to her. And she goes, you. I said, we? She says, yeah, come on. So we ended up hooking up. And I ended up making very good friends with her and her husband to the point where sometimes we just, they'll call, hey, you want to have a beer. You want to come over.

Let's grab dinner and things like that. And I can't do it all the time because I'm married. But I was honest. I was open with them. You know, I tell them, hey, this is what I got going on. And they respect it. They understand it. they said that they both started in the same type of scenario as well.

So what do you mean? Like same thing that he was trying to get her to open up more in the beginning. And how did he get her to? Basically from what I understand is he just went, he just took the risk and took her to somebody's house and that's it. Right. And I don't want to do that. I don't want to. I have a feeling if I do that, I'm going to be divorced and having to pay alimony payment.

after that. But wait, when you meet up with this couple for drinks and dinner, like do you still fool around with them, or was it just that gang bang situation, the one and only time, and then now you're just friends with them? No, no. No, I hook up with them sometimes.

Like I said, my schedule isn't the greatest and it isn't the easiest to get around. But sometimes I have enough time to grab a beer. Sometimes I have enough time to actually, you know, hook up and play. I will say that after I met her at the gangbang, I've never played with her at another gang bang again. Right. It's only been either just myself or him and her.

Right. Yeah. How do you have time to go to parties at night like this for hours? Like, where do you tell her you're going? I don't stay too long. Like I said, my work schedule, it's never the same day by day. Sometimes I have a few extra minutes. The good thing is it's not too far from me.

It's not too far from where I work and where I live and things like that. So I try, but I don't go as often as I would like to or as often as I, you know, try to. I should say sometimes I try. I say, you know, I'm going to go today. It's at this time. It's at this place I'm going to go. And sometimes I don't even make it. These are swingers parties, right?

Lifestyle parties? Lifestyle parties and gang bangs. Right. How many gangbings have you been to? Wow. Where do these things take place? Where are all these gangbings going on? Hotels?

Hotels. Yeah, what they do is they'll get like a two-bedroom suite. There's one hotel local to hear where it's not your typical hotel to where, you know, you got this long hallway and long corridor and you can hear everything and so on and so forth. These are more, they're set up like condos, like townhouses. They're for extended stays. Yeah. So people, they have kitchens.

They have, you know, two bedrooms, living rooms. They're like little mini houses. So basically they're out of the way. They're in, you know, totally far in the back of the parking lot. People park in the next door parking lot. They walk over and that's it. Very, very, very cool dude that hosts him. He's been hosting him for years.

Just very easy, mellow, easy to get along with. No pressure for the females. You know, sometimes you get an occasional arrogant, asshole in there that's trying to do more than he should or more than he could. They put an end to it. So these women, they feel safe being there. So it's nothing crazy. It's not like one of these, you know, let's go behind the dumpster type scenarios.

Let's do this and let's do that. And he tries to have, he has a pretty wide selection of females that like to do this. So it's not, you know, you go one week and then you'll play with one or two girls. And then the next week it'll beat somebody different. kind of keeps it interesting. So interesting. I wonder where does he get these girls from? I asked him.

I've been listening to your podcast for a while, and I know you said that you started off with Craigslist and things like that. He told me this is how I started. Yeah. He goes, I would post an ad on Craigslist, and then I'll meet a woman, and then the woman will end up telling her friend about it, and her friend goes, oh, I want to try it.

A friend will come hang out one night just to, you know, be a bystander, fly on the wall, and just kind of watch everything. And then she says, okay, you know what? I think I want to try it. So all of this started with Craigslist. I think if Craigslist was never around at one point, there'd be a lot of lonely people around.

Yeah, I don't know what people would be doing. I used to go on that. That was like the only, that was how I would post ads, and I would email people directly. I would respond to ads as well as place my own. And that kept me going for years. Now I don't have to. Thank God by the time it got canceled.

I didn't have to anymore. But, you know, I had a gang. bang organizer supposed to come on my show he emailed me he was down to do it someone put me in touch with him and then he canceled last minute tell your gang bang organizer if he ever wants

to come on he could come on I find that fascinating because these are things that you'd never know we're going down you know you drive past a hotel you'd never know that that's going on and probably like the girl that's doing it might be sitting next to you in the office and you don't know that she just did it last night what's crazy about it And what's nice about it is out in public and I had my wife with me.

Where was it? And at a casino. I'll just say a casino. But like she didn't even see me. I mean, because I'm honest. I'm not going to lie and say, oh, I'm this single guy. And I have all this time in the world to do this and to do that because that's how I'm going to create problems. At least I'm honest, you know, about that.

Right. And she saw me, I saw her, I said, oh, shit, here we go. She's going to say, oh, hey, how you doing? Oh, how do you know this girl? Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. We cross past, oh, excuse me. Okay, excuse me.

And I ended up seeing her probably about a month, month and a half after that. Again? She goes, don't worry. I'm not going to say to me. Oh, out of gangbank. Yeah. Yeah. She goes, I'm not going to make it awkward for you.

I said, okay. But that was the only time that I had, that's probably the most interaction I've had outside of my secret life that I did with my personal life. Yeah. Oh, my God. You have a lot of crazy stories. So you do all these gang bangs. I just want to get to all that before we get to the advice for you with your wife. I mean, because you do say like, oh, you know, at least I'm honest. I mean, you know, yeah, you're honest with all those people over there in your secret life, but you're not honest with your wife. And you say like, oh, you know, you would think by now we should be able to feel comfortable and all these things. But it's really like, so if that's the

case, why haven't you taken that step? And I feel like you have had some opportunities to communicate with her what you're really into. Why are you so afraid to tell her your fantasies? Like she told you her fantasies, right? She has a rape fantasy where you're like, oh, my fantasy is to see you fucked by another guy or something like that. I mean, have you let her know about your quote-unquote fantasies, even though they're like real-life shit and you're living it out? I mean, have you ever copped to what you're into at all? I have, when I first decided that I wanted to introduce the fact that I wanted to do this, it was just through text. We were just joking one day.

And I told her that this is what I would like to see. And she goes, really? And I said, yeah, I know. really coming from me, the guy that used to be ready to rip anyone's head off when they look at you and things like that. But I explained to her that, hey, you know what? We've been together for X amount of time. We've been through probably everything you can imagine. And this is what I want to see.

I think it would be hot. I think it would bring us closer together. You know, just from listening to your podcast and from meeting different people, this fantasy goes so many different ways. You know, there's some people that they want to feel like their wife is cheating. There's people that want to feel like they're going to be humiliated

sitting in a corner in a closet watching. Like, I don't want any of that. I just want to have fun and I want to do it with the person that I'm married to, the person that I love. You know, like I said, let's face it, we've been together this long. I'm not going anywhere. She's not going anywhere.

But I think that this is what we need to do to just try to spice it up. Hey, you know what? Let's try it one time and go from there. And I even asked her, I said, if we did something like this, would you want to do it with someone that we know or someone that we meet? And, you know, I really wanted to know that because that would help me out in determining, you know, how am I going to go about doing this?

And she said, a part of me wants to say, let's do it with someone that we know, or that if we did do it, let's do it with someone that we know. or let's meet someone. And I said, why? What are your reasons for it? She goes, because what if we do it with someone that we know and it's awkward or there becomes tension or bad blood between us and that person, mainly me because it would be one of my friends.

Or if we did it with someone we don't know, we don't have to see this person again. We don't have to, if it works out, great. If it doesn't work out, we don't have no harm, no foul. You know what? We don't have to worry about ever crossing paths with this person. We did have a couple vacations planned. Unfortunately, the pandemic kind of took its toll and we couldn't do our vacations.

And I did feel that we would be able to be more open and her be more willing to try it when we're in a different country, you know, on a vacation and things like that. But unfortunately, the last couple, I think we booked two or three trips. The first one I booked it in 2019 for 2020, and then the pandemic started. Couldn't do that. And then when things started to open up a little bit more, I said, you know what? It cost me a little bit more money, but I did get us a trip. Kind of a last minute thing. It's in three weeks.

Airports got shut down again. So I kind of gave up on that for right now. Yeah. And especially with COVID being around, I know that it's probably not the smartest thing to be around people. Yeah, but you don't know. So you have this conversation with her. that gets so specific to the point where she's deciding whether it needs to be so it sounds like she's down That's what it sounds like to me

I like I said I really think so what's the problem? I think I'm the problem I think I just don't want to I think I just don't want to disrespect her to a point where maybe she's just entertaining the conversation Or maybe she really does want to do it I'm just really confused because I get these mixed signals from her. I get these signals to where she wants to do it. She doesn't want to do it. And I honestly think I'm the issue. Yeah, I think so sure. I think I just need to just, I think I just need to come out and just say this is what I want. Yeah, I do think so. And I think that you have had, I mean, to me, all signs point to, you know, all systems go. You have a green light. You have, you know, you got so far. like I said, that whole masseuse thing,

like you've told me a lot of stories in this podcast episode that I have never heard before, you know, from getting a guy on Reddit to take pictures while you fuck your wife outside, from getting your wife naked and then walking in with another guy and then he like, you know, fondles her as a mrsis, you know, these are things that you have done with her

that I would say, oh, probably when you bring it up, you know, she'd be done. But you've even then had conversations with her about sleeping with another guy. So she knows. And she was okay. I don't know why you don't go one step further and say, okay, you know what? I have it set up. I'm going to set that.

When's her birthday? You know, you seem to do things for her birthday. Like is her birthday coming up anytime soon? What about Valentine's Day? Okay. Well, why don't you set something up? Why don't you start having conversations with her and set something up, you know, like the male masseuse, but, you know, it's going to be, you know, she's going to go all the way.

She's going to get what she wants. She was obviously wet in that scenario, so she liked you watching. She liked being touched by somebody else. You know, you got to go for it. I just got to, I think you're right. I think I just need to jump in and say, here it is. Yeah. Let's do it.

Yeah, listen, you know how, I mean, you're a lot more professional than she knows. You know where to find the people. You know, you know where to go. You know the hotels that are in the back room. You know, the back of the hotel that you can park at. Exactly. You have, you could. I've done my homework.

Yeah, you could set this up in two seconds with a guy. You know, the problem that I've also found, too, I did think about this. The problem that I did find or that I have been finding, I should say, is a lot of these guys are flakes. Yeah, well, that's just life. Yeah. Yeah, a lot of these guys are flakes.

And, you know, like I said, I can't say it enough. I don't have too many people that I could just sit here and I can talk about and say, hey, this is what I want to do. What about that friend of yours and the couple? What about the friend that you fucked his wife that are in the thing? Are they still friends of yours? Does your wife know them? She does not know them. That would have been perfect, but they did relocate due to work.

They move clear across the country. Yeah. That would have been the perfect way in. Yeah, totally. But unfortunately, I mean, we still communicate here and there, but nothing like, you know, I haven't seen the guy in years. Have you ever hooked up with a guy? No, I haven't. Right.

So it's just like women. Yeah. Yeah. No, the closest I've gotten with, you know, male-on-mail contact, of course, would be at a gang bang. Right. but that's about it. No interest. And I'm not knocking anyone that has that interest.

Right. Just you don't. Yeah. That are in there's just not my cup of tea. Right. Now, do you feel guilty at all about, like, you know, having this secret life?

Does it weigh on you at all? You know, I'm glad you asked that question. It does. It does take a toll on me sometimes because sometimes you meet people that are just, you know, plain and simple.

they're cool people. You know, you like to communicate with them and things like that. And sometimes you have these conversations with these people. And the more and more that I conversate with them

is when I feel guilty. And it's like, man, you know, the whole point of me having this secret life is because I don't have it at home. And if I had it at home,

I mean, I would be the most faithful person. I mean, I'm at one of those, at that point where I do this for enjoyment because it arouses me. I enjoy it.

I like being able to just communicate the way I want type thing. And that's why I want, that's why I want it to be focused on her. I want her to be able to be that person. But I do feel guilty. And I've actually, believe it or not, I was actually in the middle of hooking up with another woman. And I just got up and left. Wow.

And she looked at me and I said, said it's not you you know it's me and I explained the tour after the fact I told her I said you know to be honest with you because I was really getting into it yeah I was gonna say you've done so much you've gone to gangbings doing all this stuff behind her back like why that one girl was it the same kind of thing like you felt like you were having a connection and because you said that like you feel the most guilty when you're really having great conversations and getting in deep is that when it starts to freak you out what what really bothers me the most about this one is the body type was very similar.

The age was the same. The career path, the exact same. And I said, no, I can't do this. It started to bug me. And I couldn't do it. I said, because I see myself that if I enjoy myself, you know, this way, if I keep going with it, I might have, there might be a chance that I'm going to ruin my marriage. over this and I'm not going to allow that.

I'm not going to let it. There's some people that I've met that they just let that lifestyle and those fantasies just take over them and that's not me. I can't do that. Right. And so listen, if that's not you and you can't do that, you better tell

her sooner than later. Like how how smart are you about keeping all this shit that you do on the down low? So a knock on wood, I'm not going to sit here and toot my own horn, but I'm pretty good with it. What are the things that you do?

Like where is your, where do you, you know, go online to check your fat life profile? Where do you keep pictures of her that you're posting and the, you know, the, what are those things called tribute pictures of them coming on her face when, you know, her coming on her tits when they said about like, where's all that stuff? Those pictures, I kept to myself. I don't do any of the outside communication when I'm home. and if I do do it when I'm home I mean she's not around she'll be at work or this and that but I don't leave anything out there

to where I can get caught I don't I have my own you know little space that I would say I'm not going to give out all my secrets but I have my own little space where I have my pictures and so on and so forth

and every now and then you know I'll just get in that mood where I want to look at them and I'll look at them and I'll say, hey, you know what, this was hot. Or this was my favorite picture. Or, you know, if I had to narrow it down between these three, this is the one I like. So right now that's the only thing that I have in regards to her being in the same lifestyle, I should say, as myself.

But, yeah, I don't do anything to where it's around her. I don't want to even go that route. But I take as much precautions as I possibly can. You're using condoms when you're with all these people? 100%. Right. And how much of a secret life is this? Like as far as like are you seeing these people all throughout the month?

Like is it a one time a month thing? Is it once a week thing? You know, one thing that I've actually learned over time, a lot of these people are very professional people. Yeah. And they have their own life. I mean, some of them are lawyers. and doctors and, you know,

dentists and things like that to where they have to be secret. They travel for this. You know, they don't necessarily live in the same area that these things are going on and these events are being hosted. So that's what kind of helps out too. I think that if I had to have somebody more local to me

that I had more access to, it would kind of suck because I would try to get out of the house more. Right. And so on and so forth. forth. But I would say maybe once a month I'll see them every month and a half, communicate here and there throughout the week. But, you know, I try to keep myself busy with my work and my career and what I have going on. So like I said, I don't want it to let it take over my life and say,

hey, you know what, this is what I got to do today. I've met people that are like that, that have gotten divorced, that have lost their kids, that lost their kids, that lost their who you don't want to be. Yeah, I don't want to be that person. And I don't want to be around those people because I'm a very firm believer of, you know, you are who you hang out with type thing. And I don't want to be that person. I see people that are in this life.

This lifestyle is supposed to be fun. A lot of people, they live it very loosely. And just no fuck's given. You give a fuck. But I think you give too many fucks because your wife seems like she's, pretty down, okay? I wouldn't call her Vanilla. I would say that you guys have had some great experiences that most people haven't had. She's, and, you know, I think, like I said, a million times, like what I can't understand is your blockage. There's a block in you to crossing the line with her.

And that's what I don't understand, you know, why you have that. Maybe that's just you in every area of your life when you're about to get like what you really want like you just can't get it i don't know i'm an overthinker okay and with that i'm an overthinker with everything in my i overthink what i'm going to eat for dinner right okay right right right right that's the stuff that i need to know yeah yeah i'm i'm an i'm an i'm an overthinker and that's i would say that would probably probably be the main reason why i am in the position that i am in yeah i overthinker and i overthinker and i overthinker think everything. I think because I've had so many obstacles that I've had to go through and hoops I've had to go through

jump through over the years that I second guess everything because I always ask myself, am I doing the right thing? Am I doing the right thing? Right. Well, that's a trust issue and that's a trust issue with yourself. You know, you have to trust yourself. Because I used to make a lot of just split decisions. And those split decisions cost me a lot over the years. So I think that over time I just became more of a cautious person, more of an overthinker, and sometimes being a little self-conscious. Am I doing this right?

Am I doing that wrong? How could I do this? How could I do that type thing? Right. But, you know, it's like you gave up one thing for another. Like, yeah, you used to take risks and you would fail, but you probably were more honest. And, you know, you're now, here you are more cautious, taking less risk, so maybe you're having less consequences, but you're also lying to the person that you really care about, leading a double

life, and you have this, the burden of that. So, you know, you got to stop thinking and just do it. You need to set up a scenario, talk to her about it, start with the fantasy talk again, roleplay more, and cop to the fact that you want to see her with another guy, or you're open, like, what does she want to do, but you think that you'd like to spice it up? I, I, I, really feel like you just need to do it. Like you said before, you're like, I know that she's with me. She's not going anywhere. We're together forever.

Like, it's not going to be a deal breaker. What's the word she's going to say? Like, no. She's already said yes when she was like soaking wet when the guy was like a strange man walked into her hotel room and was, you know, practically fingering her in front of you. She was down. Yeah.

Down. Down. You know, I go back to that. to that night in that scenario and I said damn I pat myself on the back because that was pretty cool that I did that you know like you said you you've heard I'm sure you've heard every story in the book

yeah that takes balls because I think you know she's totally naked and a strange man walked in and saw her I think a lot of women would flip out but she didn't and she was into it so I think you need to

and I think a great segue into whatever is just like talk about that hot scenario with her. Talk about how much that you can't get that out of your head and how hot that was and like can we do that again and would you want to go further? I mean like you just have to be honest. You just have to like overthink with her.

Bring her into that. Like you have conversations with her. Dump the stuff that you're talking about with me to her. I mean, communicate. You're with her for eight years. You've said like a lot of times like, you know, we should be doing this. We should be open with each other.

It's about that time. Like, you know, why haven't you been and you should? You have had no trouble telling me everything. And, you know, believe it or not, this is probably the deepest conversation that I've had about this. Really? About all these top, yeah, believe it or not. Mm-hmm. You know, I've had conversations with different people, but it's more like a, the conversation is a hit and miss type thing.

Right. You know, one day you're having a decent conversation, the next day the person, and, you know, talking about something else, or there's just not enough attention on it. And I think one of the things that, like I said, one of the things that I lack is that I don't have anyone that I can just open up to and tell my friend, hey, bro, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah. I had that one friend that was into that, he moved.

And it's just, like I said, this is the most I've opened up. And it took me a while to even describe to it. I subscribe to your YouTube and I listen to all the stories. And I said, man, there's nothing wrong with me. Like, I can, I can be one of these people that get on there. And even, even when I first, you know, considered doing this, I said, no, you know what, what if somebody hears me? And then I always hear your podcast.

I change the voices. Okay, change my voice. Let's do this, you know. And I said, you know what, let me do it. Let me wake up. And I'm in a time difference where I'm earlier than you. I said, you know, I'm going to wake up, I'm going to do this, I'm going to have this conversation today. So I think by having the conversation now, it allows me to be more open.

Yes, that's what I was thinking when you were saying it, that this was like your practice. Like the fact that you... Yeah, this is the test run. Yeah, the fact that you decided to cross that line and call in and do it here means that you're ready to do it there. And I think that that's really major. Like, it's pivotal for you. And I think that that's great. Yeah.

I think I had to make this step in order to, like I said, there's no other excuse. Yeah. I'm an overthinker. Yeah. Plain and simple. There's a lot of people out there like that. I'm like that. I'm an overthinker.

But you have to just create the action. You know, you have to just act. And I do think that, like you said, you subscribe between YouTube and like you were thinking it through. Like I could maybe do it. You know, you were overthinking this too, but then you did it. And I think that that means that you're ready to do that. You're finally doing something about it.

And I think that, you know, I'm going to tell you, okay, Mark, that you need to go start having those conversations and then call back in and tell me what happened. And I give you a month, two months. Get that going because I really believe that by the end of this year, you will have had a lot of a lot more stories with her. You just need to, you know, start. Because you already did. I mean, you already did, okay? You already have started with her. You just didn't continue.

And now you need to in its time. I started and I stopped. So I think you're right. I agree with you 100% that I need to just dive in and say, yeah. You got pretty far. And just say, hey, this is what it is. And, you know, go.

from there. Yeah, and now listen, anyone listening on YouTube, post in the comments. Give Mark your, you know, your two cents of how he could, you know, have those conversations. Let's help Mark have those conversations. You'll see people will be giving you some advice. But listen, I think you're there already. You just got to do it and you know it. And I think you're already at that point that it's going to happen. So I want to know when it does

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