Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 473 - Ken has Been Married 5x, Has Been a Swinger and Now He's Gay

Episode Date: April 13, 2022

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the better, send me an email strictly not on this podcast at gmail.com. Today I have on Ken. Now, Ken has lived a long and interesting and twisty life, okay? This guy has been married five times. Not three, not four. Yes, five times. And in between his five times and during his five times, he has had a lot of SCX with both men and women.

A lot of his, you know, he's cheated a lot on all of these wives. with women, with men, he's into BDSM. He's very oral. He really likes pleasing people. And he starts from the beginning. He starts from when he was, you know, when his first sexual experience happened, when he realized he was really into giving oral, his first, you know, and when he started to get into man-on-man action,

there was a time where he started to dress up a little bit and some stocking, stuff like that. He gets into that and then he meets his first wife and they get into swinging. And they do all kinds of things. Then he gets into bathhouses and hooking up with guys. He talks about how far he, you know, has gone with guys. It's, you know, what he likes to do with them. He goes to adult theaters and like I said in bathhouses. And then he has so many more marriages and so many affairs. He then gets into his BDSM and submissive side of himself. And then we get into his last relationship with his last wife, the fifth wife, the best wife. And we talk about that. But it really is like a great story with so much going on. And I love stories like these because they're so, they're more

like biographies. Because, you know, he's older and he starts from the beginning. So you really see like from, you know, a beginning of middle, not an end, but you know, a whole story. It's not like this is a guy that got one divorce and then we end the conversation and that's like, oh, you know, you're putting the book down in the middle of it. This, you get like a full

view of his whole life and where he's at now. And where he's at now is he's doesn't like to put labels on himself, but he's worn to guys. And he talks about that too. So anyway, am I confusing? I hope it wasn't that confusing because I can't do it again. And so anyway,

I'm going to be right by God with Ken. Hey, Ken, welcome to the strictly anonymous podcast. How are you today? I'm great. Really enjoying your podcasts. I'm absolutely fascinating. Really? I love that.

I love it. How do you find my show? I think by a mistake somehow across YouTube, you showed up one day, and there you were, and I started listening. That's what I love about YouTube. I really feel like it finds people that maybe aren't, like, you know, on the podcast apps and stuff. It's like just a great way to get, like to broaden my audience, you know,

and find new people that maybe wouldn't have found my show any other way. So I'm glad you found my show. Now I know that you have a lot of backstory, right? You have, you've lived a long time. You've done a lot of crazy things. So I don't know where you want to start. But let's like start from the beginning or when you started with your wife. Because, I mean, you have some gay and bisexual experiences.

You have swinging experiences with your wife. You have like a lot of stuff going on. Where do you think we should start? Well, maybe in the beginning because I feel like I've been on a sexual path all of my life. I've been highly exploratory. Life in general fascinates me. So I seek out experiences and say, okay, this works and this doesn't work. Yeah.

And you were like that's from the get-go. That's just like a part of your personality. You're curious. Yep, yep. Great. So when did you start, you know, being, because I'm assuming that's like across the board in your life in general, but when did it start that you, you know, started being curious in your sex life and, and started to do things and, you know, figure things out?

Well, probably in my mid-teens, I came across a stash of my dad's porno. And so that, that certainly started the thought process. And I have a high sex drive. Always have. And so masturbation was a big thing. and fantasies. Very early on, I came across Penn House Forum. And the stories that I found the most fascinating

were those that were bisexual in nature or involved, you know, fetish attire. I've always been attracted to latex, but primarily it was, whenever I read about man-on-man activity, it was really turned me on. Yeah. And were you confused about that at that time?

Like were you like, what the fuck does this mean? Am I gay? Am I straight? I mean, how did you feel about it? I think I felt comfortable with it. It was just curiosity. You know, it was, what's this all about? And some of my very first experiences, I spent some time with my grandparents.

You had a drawer with girls and stockings and, and that kind of thing. And I found out that when she wasn't around, I would put on a girl in stockings and really enhanced the, you know, the masturbation session. Mm-hmm. So you did a little cross-dressing.

Well, nothing beyond the corset and the stockings. It wasn't so much wanting to be dressed as a female. It was just the, maybe the restriction or the feeling of something close to my skin. Yeah, that makes sense. I've heard that before, for sure, yeah. Yep. And so I guess maybe halfway through high school, I had my first sexual encounter with a girl.

And we were heavy into masturbation. And what I found out I really loved was oral sex. I love going down on her. And throughout my life, I have found that my greatest joys come not from pleasure being given me, but by my involvement and the pleasure that I can give others. I know because I know, you know, you know, you sent me an email, tell me some things. So, you know, when you say that, I'm like, oh, that's the little sub in you, right? Because, you know, further down the line, you did service a dom.

I know these things. So, I mean, are you pointing that out that you like that because that was like a sign to you that you could look back and be like, oh, that was like the first sign that I was a submissive because you really like to please? I think that's true. And the other thing in my life is I've had a very successful career. Yeah. So throughout my career, I've been in high-level management positions.

Yeah. And, you know, in my sex life, I can just let go. I don't have to worry about thinking about what's going to happen or just, I'll put myself in somebody else's hands and let them take me where they want to go with the idea that I'm there as their instrument, you know, to be able to please them. And then, I mean, that went on for a while. And then we got to the point of fucking. And that scared me off.

I didn't want to mess my life up by getting her pregnant or something like that. So I kind of backed away from exploring with anybody other than myself at that point in time for a few years. And then move the clock forward, I'm in college and I meet a woman that we really connect. And ultimately we begin to have sex. We get married. At the same time, it's the height of the Vietnam War, and so I'm enlisted in the Navy. And during that period of time, I'm away from home a good bit, and the sexual needs were still awfully strong, so I would visit prostitutes at different ports that we would go into.

Then in 1972, after I come out of the service, we're both back in college, and then together we got curious, and we entered the swinging scene. And we began to see like Select Magazine and the various swinging magazines on the newsstands and picked them up and had a conversation about it and decided to give it a try. Wow. And she was totally open with it. Yes. Uh-huh. Yep.

Yeah, that's great. And so where did, what was your first experience like? And, you know, how did you go about it? Like, were there rules and regulations? Were you going to just, was it a free-for-all? No, when we first started, we responded to some of the ads that were in some of the magazines. So it was a couple on couple at that point in time. And, yeah, purely for just the sexual aspects of it and exploration with other people,

because we both had really limited experience up until that point, up until the point that we were married. Right. I mean, we're talking a long time ago. So, like, at a time where, you know, swingers, the way you would find them is, like, you had to go through, like, ads in the back of a magazine. Yep. But again, these magazines, like Select Magazine, was dedicated to swing lifestyle. Over time, and I don't remember whether it was through the magazine or through some of the contacts that we made,

we became involved with a group. I lived in Baltimore at the time, and there was an area maybe about 20 miles from Baltimore with this huge house. It must have been like that 3,000, 4,000 square foot house. And it was really dedicated to small. swinging. So, you know, lots of individual rooms, a party room, an orgy room and things like that. So we became involved that way. And actually, probably the most enjoyable thing was the orgy room where you just have massive people and, you know, 10 or 20 mattresses on the floor

and people moving around from person to person engaged with each other. I think that was the time when the itch for me for the bisexual thing started to grow. I had always hoped that I'd be involved with a threesome and that there would be some opportunity with the male of the couple to be engaged. But never quite happened. We did do a threesome and I ended up rimming her and hoping that, maybe he would slide out and slide into my mouth, but then it never quite happened. So you were doing that while she was getting fucked by some other guy. I mean, there would be times where, like, you know, you almost cross swords or like you

were close to another guy because your wife was having sex with other women in front of you, but you were never able to sort of cop a feel. Exactly. Exactly. That's right. Uh-huh. So wait, let's just stay here for a second because you're glossing over everything. And I know that this is like a long time ago for you, you know, the swinging aspect of it. But like, you know, after your guy's first.

experience. I'm assuming since you're like into guys that you probably liked, enjoyed seeing your wife with other, you know, men. Did your wife also enjoy seeing you with other women? Was she with other women as well? Like, was there any kind of confliction going on? Or was it just like right from the get-go you guys were down and totally into it? No, I don't know that she ever, I'm not aware she ever expressed any interest in other women at all. It was, I think she enjoyed the variety of the different men. And, you know, I certainly derived pleasure, a pleasure from watching her being fucked or sucking a guy off. That was, that was a good thing. And I love going down on her after she had been fucked or kissing her after she had, you know, sucked a guy off. Right, right. That's

the closest you were to the guy that you were like, you know, right? Yep. Yep. Yep. That makes sense. Okay, go on. Sorry. So, you know, we did that for a while. And then I became, aware of the bathhouses, the gay bathhouses in Washington, D.C. So I eventually made the decision that I was going to find out. I was going to get beyond the fantasy of what would be like. And so I made my first trek to a bathhouse. Let me ask you this, because here you are married to a woman who back in those days is considered very open-minded. You know, nowadays I think women do, you know, swing and stuff.

But to get a woman in the 70s to do it, I don't know, I think that she was very progressive and open-minded, you know, for especially for the time. So I'm wondering, did she know that you were going to these bathhouses or did you still keep it a secret from her? Yeah, no, I didn't reveal that. It was, you know, you never know how something like that would go over back then. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a different thing. I was just wondering because you were so open about swinging and stuff with her, then she did know. So you started to go to bath houses or you got curious about it,

and then you went to your first one. Yep. And that was everything I had hoped for and more. Really? Yeah, Gwen, and you go through the routine and getting your locker and getting your towel, and, you know, you explore the facility and just all the different kinds of rooms. There's, you know, a dark room. where you can't see anything with people doing what were they doing.

There's a glory hall room. There's a porno room. I just thought it was like a room with a bat, you know, like a big, you know, hot tub. But so there's different rooms and they don't necessarily all have baths in them. No, well, most of them have either a steam room or a sauna or hot tub or some combination of all three. And so I go in, I get settled. I tour around to see all that's there. And it's time.

And I'm walking through one of the main rooms. And there's a guy sitting on a bench, leg spread, hard cock. And I woke up, dropped it on knees and suck them off. Oh, my God. That was like your biggest fantasy come true finally. And I'm assuming it was amazing because you said that the first experience was. everything you were. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I was very oral with women. I love going down on women. So I have this oral fixation, whether it's a man or a woman. Right. Yep. Yeah, there's the feeling of being on your knees again. Oh, yeah. And, you know, taking a cock in your mouth and feel it grow and respond to what you're doing.

And, yeah, the most amazing thing is, it gets to a point where he puts his hands in your hair and shows your head down on his cock. And it really begins to fuck you. You get into responding to what you're doing. It's amazing. And for me, it's been quite addictive. It seems like the more cocks outshuck the more I want. I just can't get enough of it.

Even after all these years, I mean, because this is like we're talking about, you know, how many years ago did you start? I would say over my lifetime, it just has continued to get stronger to the point that I know this is a stupid fantasy, the idea of 24-7 where you were just being used for the pleasure of others. And I'll talk a little bit more about that as I get into some of the more recent activities that I've been in. Well, let me tell you, Ken, I'm just going to just tell you straight up, you need to listen. Did you ever find in my, you know, back catalog, what was his name, Trey? Trey's like 24-hour blowjob challenge and then it turned into a 48 blowjob challenge

and it turned into a four-day challenge. Like you need, I really feel like he would love his episodes. I'll have to find that. That would be great. Yeah, he was someone who liked to please. He had an oral fixation and he set up these events. And it sounds like you just said, your crazy fantasy. You might like be turned on by that.

So I'll send you a link to it when we're done. Okay, so keep going. I like how you're telling the story in chronological order, but we'll be, so now you're like at these bathhouses and it's like amazing. Oh, yeah. You know, with time, given where I am in my career, I end up traveling quite a bit. So as I go to different cities for different business visits, I seek out a bathhouse or, you know, an adult bookstore or an adult theater.

And so that's the play that goes on of, uh, Just taking advantage of that. Now, let me ask you this, because you're out and about doing this all the time, you know, and you're doing it a lot. Did you ever have an experience where you ran into somebody you knew? No. Well, you know, I took that back. I absolutely did.

After I left Baltimore, my career picked up, and I'm up in rural Pennsylvania. But I was still living in Baltimore commuting back in Florida. and there was an adult bookstore between where I was working in Pennsylvania and Baltimore, and I would occasionally stop in there on my way home. And one evening when I'm in there, one of my employees walks in. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking might eventually happen. Yeah, he didn't see me, but I saw him. At least I don't think that he saw me.

Wow. Wow. And did you like make a beeline out of there so that he didn't see you? Did you go into another room? Like how did you avoid him? And then how did you feel? I think. Yeah. Yeah, I, you know, an adult bookstore, you have the little booths, the video booths, the glory holes.

So, you know, it was really easy to duck in there. Right. Okay. Yeah. It would have been interesting if he didn't end up on the other side of the glory hole. Yeah, you just don't know. And then, oh, my God, you're seeing him at work. the next day he has no idea. I mean, he might have seen you and then just like look the other way

and never let you know. I mean, but now you know and he knows and you see him. But anyway, so go back to your story. Sorry, I cut people off a lot. No, no, no, that's perfectly fine. Ultimately, the marriage ends. We go through a divorce and so this is one of these peaks and valleys in my sex life. I end up in another marriage and Sex is great and the exploration outside of marriage stops and life goes on for a while. And eventually there are issues in that marriage, so it's yet another divorce and a marriage to yet a third person. And this becomes interesting because she is open to all the effects that, that I want, but it's there for my taking as opposed to her being emotionally engaged in

the sexual relationship. What do you mean? With time, you lose interest because it's so available. You want something in return. You want an emotional connection. You want more than just sticking in your cock and her and masturbating, which is what it felt like. Oh, wait, wait.

But this is a woman who you're married to the third wife, but she has to. has no emotional attachment to this when you're having sex? I don't understand because she's emotionally attached. I'm sorry? I don't understand where the disconnect comes because like you have it's not she's not like a hookup buddy, right? She's your wife.

So she obviously... That's an interesting because I had been through the worst. I started to date again and I had asked her out to go do something. Well, she suggested rather than just go out for the evening that we go

away for the weekend. And so we go to Allstate City, Maryland, and we have unprotected sex, and she gets pregnant. And so I do the responsible thing or what I think is the responsible thing, and we marry. Okay. So it wasn't a marriage that was out of, you know, developed a relationship. And so it was set up to field from the beginning, I think, you know. But she was totally down and open to do anything sexually with you, but it felt mechanical or like, I don't understand. Exactly.

Oh, okay. Exactly. And I needed something more than that. You know, I was past the point of, you know, if I wanted, if I wanted a release, I could go to an massage parlor and have somebody jerk me off or do that. I didn't have to. I wanted something more out of a relationship. Uh-huh. But what kind of things did she do with you?

Was she into swinging and stuff? Did you open up your marriage or was it just stuff that you played around like together? No, it was just pretty much missionary sex. Oh, okay. It was nothing exciting about it, nothing interesting about it, nothing. Again, not the emotional connection. So that went on for a few years and then at work, I can't remember what the occasion was, but a group of us went over to a bar next door after work.

And I happened to make this joking comment to a group of people, gee, wouldn't it be nice to have an affair with a happily married woman? And so that was on a Friday, Monday morning. This beautiful lady walks into my office and says, I understand you said, and repeated what I had said. And I said, yes. this sounds like you know like a little like a like a fantasy written by somebody you know what I mean do you never think that this happens in reality you don't sound so outlandish that she would hear that

and then have the balls to go into your office and say like here I am I heard you know I here's your wish yep yep yep yep she was she was promiscuous and engaging and she certainly was in a marriage where albeit they were married and they had a loving connection and And there's not a sexual relationship between the two of them. They lived in separate homes. And so the affair began. And she was pretty wild in bed. And I guess after a mega year or so, on one of the occasions, he spent the night, her husband.

What do you mean? He spent the night with you guys? Yes, the three of us. He knew. He knew. This was an open relationship. relationship that they had that, you know, she was free to have the sex likes that she wanted. He was free to have the sex likes that he wanted, but they rarely engaged between the two of them.

Okay. On this occasion, he slept over, and here was that I was hoping for the opportunity for, you know, bisexual involvement with him, with her. But that didn't happen. He wasn't interested. He was. it but not yet. Okay. So you're having threesomes though when you're with that,

with that, during that affair. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And then, eventually, eventually she gets pregnant and,

uh, another one? Yes. So your affair? Wait, wait a second. So the wife that you're married to that you're cheating on, she got pregnant,

had a baby. And while she's home with that baby, you're fucking this lady and she had, well, a coworker, well, someone who works for you, right? And she winds up getting pregnant with your baby? Yes. And what happens?

Well, we go along for a month or two, and then she decides that she couldn't stand being ugly and decides on an abortion. She didn't want to get pregnant? She didn't want the results of what the pregnancy was going to do to her body. She was very vain individual. Right, right, right. I get it.

Okay, so she decided to have an abortion. Okay, so that baby did not come to play. I would have been very happy to have had the child, but that wasn't, that's not the man's choice, right? When you get into a circumstance, it's a choice about an abortion, it's the woman's choice. Yeah, yeah, totally. And it's interesting, like, what would you have done at that point? Did you, because you had time to ponder, like, did you think of, what am I going to do? Am I going to tell my wife, am I just going to keep this, like, as a love child, and my wife's never going to know about it.

I mean, what were your plans? Well, I had had had a conversation. with my life at the time that the sexual life was not satisfying that I needed her to be engaged with it and if it didn't change I likely would have an affair so the stage was set for her to understand that if you know it ever came to that that she really didn't invest any more emotion or wasn't capable of investing any emotion into her life right so it wouldn't have been a total shock that you were out doing something because you had brought it up okay so you didn't have do though. Does that affair still go on

with that couple? No, once we got to that point, and that was the decision that was made, that was beyond what I could deal with myself. Right, right. I love kids, and while I believe in a woman's

freedom to choose... You wanted a choice and you didn't get it, yeah. Right, exactly. Yeah, yeah. It is kind of unfair. I'm always like, why don't guys speak up about it? Because, like, the women really, are on it and for their choice, you know, but I don't think a man has a choice at all. And they should because they're going to be the father or not the father. You know what I mean? It goes both ways, you know, you hear the opposite story a lot where the woman, you know, the guy doesn't want the kid.

Maybe he's, you know, 17 years old, 19 years old, right? But the girl does. And then he's like, stuck being a dad and then maybe he's not ready or didn't want it. Or the opposite in this situation where she didn't want it. And here you are a guy who's like, maybe he doesn't believe in the abortion or doesn't want that. But just, she, you know, at the end of the day, it's her choice. And it is, sucks for guys because you really don't have any say. But you should because, you know, you're going to have a say if that child is born. And in your situation, you didn't want it.

So that ruined your relationship with her. It did. Understandable. Yeah. And then I met somebody else. And yet one more marriage. Oh, okay. So you divorced this wife.

Okay. I love it. Four marriages brought to. Yeah, we're going to get the five eventually. Oh, my God, I love it. Okay. So the fourth, again, it's a relationship that comes out of work, somebody that I knew that we dated for a brief period of time. And she's much younger than I am. She's 20 years younger than I am.

Uh-huh. Again, good sex life, engaging, didn't explore anything outside of the marriage for a while. And ultimately, he ended up traveling, again, quite a bit for business, back and forth to any number of cities. So that desire for the buy experience, again, became stronger and stronger. So, again, when I was out of town,

it would be visiting the bath houses or the bookstores or, theaters and and really exploring a wide wide range of activities with men. Were you bottoming or topping? Like, did you start to do any of that stuff? Was it always oral sex? Yeah, never had an interest in being a top. Always like having somebody else take control. Largely started out with, you know, oral sex. Again, back to the idea, I just absolutely loved and was addicted to sucking cock and so all you come. And then over time, finally totally bottomed, which again, I just found absolutely amazing. I had somebody that took their time with me and just made it easy and pleasurable.

and one of my greatest experiences more recently has been to be at a bathhouse and to be in a room where there's a sling in a fuck bench. And I went in, been over the fuck bench and had somebody come up behind me and take me from behind while another man was he gave me his cock. And I'd say that's probably my ultimate experience of, you know, have being totally filled with both ends at the same time. Yeah, there's nothing. And there's nothing more submissive about that, too, right? Because here you are at the bottom. Plus, there's a dick in your mouth, right? So, I mean, you're...

Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. You know, the guy starts from behind, and that's absolutely amazing. And then the second man had been over by the sloth. he comes over and feeds me his cock. Well, the guy that had been fucking son-in-sling comes over, and he starts running his hands through my hair,

and it's, oh, my God, you know, this is like stimulation beyond what you can believe. Right. This pleasure from, you know, all over the body. Uh-huh. This is more recent, you started to do that recently. Yes. Yeah. So at this point where we're at, your fourth marriage, you're starting back again with

the bathhouses and everything, and then what happened? Well, beyond the bath houses, I found the curiosity to want to explore the submissive side. And so I began to look for a dom to visit. I'm surprised you hadn't done that yet. I'm surprised it took you for me, you know, because like it seems like obvious. But hindsight is 2020, right? that, but it kind of seems obvious that that's who you've been this whole time, you know, but maybe it just for you, you didn't realize it until that point.

I think it's I didn't realize it because it was, you know, up until that point it had been step by step by step from, you know, normal sex and oral sex to with a woman to to being an oral assidness to a man, to finally being fucked by a man. Yeah. You know, there's more to explore. The total aspect of everything about human sexuality and the finesse's thing. I guess there were two things. One was pursuing a pro-DOM, but there was also an organization in Seattle called the Center for CSPC.

Anyway, it was a group dedicated to educating people and providing a facility to engage in BDSM activities. Oh, interesting. Okay. And you joined that? So I found that I did. I did and I would go as an observer or I would go to play either one. And I was just interested in exploring the limits of, you know, what can I tolerate, what do I find pleasurable? What do I want to take off the table? And I found out I was not a pain flood. I enjoyed mild, mild whipping or something like that or having my nipples clamp or my balls clamped or things like that. But, you know, severe pain was off the table. I found out that that was a step too far for me anyway.

Let me ask you this only because I'm always like wondering how you, because, you know, I'm assuming you're keeping this under wraps. You're married, though, at the time. Now, how do you hide, like bruises and, you know, evidence of this kind of stuff? yeah there were never any fortunately for the most part there was never any significant bruises or anything like that

so there's not particularly things to hide oh okay you're lucky I think the thing yeah you know I did begin at that point in time to acquire a fetish wardrobe

some leather some latex I just found both visually and sensually anything shiny was highly stimulating for me. For you to wear? Looking at it, I enjoyed. Yes. Oh, interesting. Okay, but also you like the person to wear as well. You like looking at it, like you said, and you liked it on yourself? Oh, absolutely. Yeah. So, you know, we go on through this, this period of life and marriage.

and I've become involved in building a factory in Arizona. So I'm in Seattle area two weeks a month in Arizona, two weeks a month. After about six months of that, I come home and my wife tells me that she's had an affair, but it's over. Oh, wow. So, decided, you know, because I've been married now several times and decide I'm going to keep working on this. I just, I don't want to give up on this. We want to get beyond this. So probably in another six or eight months.

And I, I, in our bedroom, and she keeps a diary. And I've always known she had a diary. Never bothered her. But there it is on the dresser open. and somebody draws me to read what's there, and there she is talking about not just an affair, but really servicing a bunch of guys. Oh, wow. Had she been open with that, had we talked about that, to me that would have been okay,

but there was something to broke the trust about that. I guess I'm hypocritical in saying that because I've been engaged in my own. Totally. Personal activities. Yeah. I mean, if one of you would have copped to being, like, who you were and put it on the table, the other one would have been like, me too, you know, but here you were two people that didn't feel totally okay with, you know, letting your partner know what you were really

down with. And that's sad because you guys were more aligned than you realized, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So when you found that stuff. off. That's the point of this isn't acceptable.

This crossed the line. You told me you had the affair, okay, we got beyond that, you know. I just, I can't deal with this. This is more, and so divorce number four occurs. Oh, my God. Wait, so much, was she having, like, gangbangs? I don't know that I know that, but it's multiple men. Right.

And, yeah. Wow. Okay. And this was the young girl. Had we'd been open about it, I would love to have had her in a gang ban. Yeah, or been told about. I'd have been happy to prep them, you know, the sucker costs, to get them ready to, yeah, and to clean her up afterwards. So that would have all been great.

Yeah, or even like while you're traveling, let her be with other people. She could tell you about the situation. I mean, I hear it all the time on my show now, you know, these guys that have these kinds of situations set up. So she could have been having her cake and eat it too and everything would have been fine. But like you said, it was that distrust. She never found out what you were doing, right? You never copped to it or threw it in her face. No, no.

As I said, that's kind of the hypocritical aspect of it, you know, one of my cake and eating at two. But it was. So you divorce number four. Yep. And decide never to get married again. But we all know you did. So there's a fifth one coming up.

Oh, we do. One more time. Oh, my God, I love it. And so I made a decision that I didn't want to marry again. So I started a lot of online dating. But I just wanted somebody to go to an event with or to have an evening with or to just have an enjoyable time together. But I didn't want to go through another commitment, another failure, whatever was going to happen. I didn't want to do that.

Yeah. Probably over the next two years or so, I must have dated 20 or 30 different women. And then it happens. That's a special one. I ended up meeting a woman who's lived about a mile from me through one of the swinging, not swimming, one of the online dating. We talked a little bit. I'm not a person who likes to talk on the phone.

It's unusual for me to spend very much time on the phone, but we spent hours on the phone before we ever met. So we decided that we're going to go out. But I'm on my way to China. I've got a business trip to China, so I'm on my way to China, and we continue to correspond. Well, on my way home,

I'm just absolutely exhausted from the distance and the travel. And so I have to have a lot of the way. ask her if we could delay it. Well, she takes out as a blowoff that I'm no longer interested. Right. And it sends me a really terse email, but we get beyond that. And she ends up being my soulmate. Love of my life. We have our first date, and I guess the rest, as they say, is history. You're still with her now? Well, she's passed away. Oh, okay.

I lost her about 10 years ago. She developed. meosophiliona, but we had seven years together. And from the get-go, it was absolutely wonderful. And she was exploratory, willing to do a wide range of things. And when I talked about my interest in fetish, he was right there with me. Oh, that's great. We accumulated fairly sizable wardroves, and we went to events like Kink in the Caribbean. I think we went to Jamaica three times for a week.

hedonism, you mean? It was a community of like-minded people. Yeah. We go to California. We went to a Halloween event in Las Vegas. And there was some rock star there. I can't remember anymore who it was. But we never engaged.

And I never had an interest in engaging with her with other people. It was just right and perfect between us. Oh, that's kind of interesting. You didn't want to or you didn't need to? There's a, that would be, that would be different. Like, what was the, what would you say? Maybe, maybe the right word is need because, uh, it just, it was so satisfying with her. I mean, she, she was willing to, uh, play with my submissive side.

She would put on a strap on and fuck me, you know, uh, we would engage in, uh, in, bondage activities in the bedroom, uh, between ourselves and it just, it was fulfilling. It felt complete, I guess, is the way to say it. Right. And she knew about your interest in men? Yes. Maybe that's where the completion came from, that, you know, it was because you were on, you know, you had put it all out there.

She really, you know, was with you for you. Whereas all these other relationships, you kept a part of yourself hidden, a big part of yourself, right? Yep. I was always curious about her. And I suspect that maybe at some point in time she had engaged in activities with women, but she was never, he didn't seem comfortable pursuing her talking about that. So I'll never know that part of her story.

Right. But you guys went and did all the stuff and played together, never with other people, but played like in rooms with other people and stuff like that? No, not even in rooms with other people. It was pretty much so low between us. We would go to the dances and be dressed and go to the pool with other people and, you know, converse with them and engage with them socially. I performed on stage.

There was a fellow that was dressed as a ringmaster and in my full fetish attire. I was on stage and doing activities with him. but nothing sexual. Right. It was more circus-type, you know, activities. And what was a rock star? You're like, oh, there was a rock star there. Like, what was that story?

Well, it was at large, I'd say a thousand people in Las Vegas all dressed in their fetish attire for a Halloween party. Oh, okay. Uh-huh. And I can tell you that we, on one occasion, did go to New Zealand. dealings and ended up in a bar in Christ's church dressed in our fetish attire. It was interesting in my mind because there were people actually sexually active in the bar. I'd never experienced that where sex was so open.

A man or a woman sitting with her man between his legs giving him a boy drop right there in the bar. Yeah, is that, is that common place? And that was the fantasy that came? What's that? Was that calm in there? I mean, I don't understand. Is that like something that just going to be? You know, I don't know, because it was only the one time in the one bar that I experienced that.

But that was, you know, I've got a part of me that's a bit of an exhibition. And I love being watched. You know, one of the things that I, since my wife has passed away and some time passed, I got back into visiting some of the adult bookstores and things like that. And there's a theater in Seattle that, you know, men frequent. And to me, one of the greatest things is to go in there and have a dozen men around

and to drop down between a man's legs and give him a blow job and have other men around watching and stroking their cocks. And when I'm finished with one, there's another one there ready to give me his cock and just take care of everybody in the room. Yeah. That's just a tremendous.

turn on to do that. Yeah, you need, you're going to love Trey's episodes. I think you called them like three times. But anyway. Yeah, it's been interesting to me because over my life, if you look at the Kinsey Cales position, I started out straight sex to, I would class upon myself today as probably homosexual. Oh, really?

I still can enjoy an activity with a woman. Uh-huh. But it's not my desire, not my preference. there's something about having your mouth full of a cock or having your ass full of a cock that's more fulfilling than just going down on a woman. But let me ask you this. Did you ever feel that you would actually also like cop feelings for a guy and have it be like, you know, like would you at this point in your life, say fantasy land, you know, would

have a relate do you think that you could go that the extra step and actually even have a relationship with a guy? Because I was about to tell you that over these last two or so years, there's a bisexual swing group in Maryland here where I'm at. Yeah. And I would, I've attended a number of their parties. And I met a trans woman that, in the middle transitioning from man to woman. and still has meal equipment, but it's undergone, the breast hormones and things like that.

And we've made out before. I've gotten to a point now where I'm perfectly happy being intimate beyond the sexual activity with a man. You know, the idea of kissing or being affectionate is perfectly fine. I would not say I'm exclusive to the point that if the right woman came along that I wouldn't want to have a relationship, but my preference would be with a man. Right, but maybe now you're like at the point where you're open, like whether it be a man or a woman. I don't know what that label would be. You don't care about labels, but, you know, I think maybe the younger generation would be like,

oh, maybe you're fluid. You know, you would be down. It depends on the person, right? It's like whether it's a man or woman, you could maybe be capable of falling for either. Yeah, I think that's possible. But with a preference, probably toward the man. Yeah, isn't that interesting, how it changed over time for you? Oh, it is.

Yeah. Yeah. It's been quite a right. Yeah. Oh, my God. It's like a, it's like a, it could be like a, I don't know, a book, a movie of porn. I don't know. You've done a lot, you know.

And you're still doing it. You know, I mean, listen, there might be, what I really want to know is if there's going to be a sixth marriage down the line. Oh, my goodness. Do you think? No, I don't envision that. I told you that I lost my wife to cancer. Yeah. I've also, after she passed away, I've been through prostate and bladder cancer.

So my body no longer has all the functions that used to. Yeah. And so, you know, I can't get hard. I can't ejaculate anymore. But I still get as much pleasure from having somebody use my body for their pleasure if I ever did. Right. Oh, that's great. That you could still at least have that, right? That you could go there and you could get as much pleasure out of that, which you can. And in a weird way, don't you look back at your life and say like, oh, thank God. you know, on some level, you really honored. I mean, sometimes you weren't so honest about it, okay? Like, you know, you could maybe have regret there. You didn't put it all out on the table, but you really were true to yourself in that you really, you know, went and took it all. You know,

you really gave into everything that you wanted and had had a lot of sex and fulfilled all your fantasies and your curiosities, you know. So, I mean, how regretful would you have been if you had it, you know, and then this happened to you? You know, I mean. Yeah, I just don't think it's in my nature to do that. It's every aspect of my life, whether it's my career or whether it's travel or whatever it is. Yeah.

I've given it everything that I've got. I've visited every state in the union and I've been to almost 50 countries. Yeah. And so I just, to me, life is there for taking, for grabbing, for experiencing. And shame on us if we don't grab it and take full advantage of it. Yeah, and I think you did that in love too. that's why you had five marriages. You liked it.

Like that was something that you enjoyed doing. So why not do it again and again? You know, I don't, I, I think that fits right in there with your personality. You know, I think that sometimes people judge people

for different things that they do. But I think you have to take, you know, everybody's different and everyone's wired differently. And I think it speaks like, more so to that part of your personality than like, oh,

you're so dysfunctional. You know what I mean? It's, it's kind of like it's, it's more about what you just explained. Oh, yeah, yep. And, you know, to be at this point in my life, to have had all the like experiences

that I had sexual and otherwise, I wouldn't trade it for the world. I mean, I... I've had a life beyond anything I've ever had to imagine and feel blessed. Right, that's what I mean. Like, you don't, you're not like a bitter person, like, you know, because you have always

had what you wanted and did what you wanted. and I think that there's a lesson in that for younger people listening, you know? Oh, yeah, I think so. That's my, I'd offer that to everybody. There's no value in bitterness and anger. The best we can do is to take whatever life experience we have and learn from it and move forward. Yeah, for sure. I think, you know, becoming a bitter, older person is, you know, a choice that you have to decide not to make for yourself

a lot when you get older. I think it's very easy. There are certain things that become very easy when you get older. And the harder path would be to not be better. I think it's easier to become a bitter person full of regrets. And what you really have to make a point is to wake up every day and decide not to be that person. I think the way that you go about not being that person is to, no matter how old you are, to always continue to live your life and change and grow. and keep doing different things and new things. Like, why not have another marriage after your last one? Why not go visit another country?

Like you said, you know, why not change things up? And I think that a lot of people get to certain places in their life. Like, and they just think like, oh, I'm not going to do that because I'm just, you know, I'm too old to do that. You know, and I just feel like as long as you're alive, you could do anything you want. You know what I mean? Don't live in that box of like, oh, I'm this age. I can't change my career.

I'm this age. I can't do this, you know? Do whatever the fuck you want to do so you don't have. those regrets. And I think, you know, like I said, you know, the only thing you didn't do, and I think it's harder, I think people nowadays are living in a different society and they're, you know, so it's easier for them to be honest about who they are, whereas you grew up in a time where, you know, it's a little bit more understanding, you know, I have more of an understanding of why you kept a lot of yourself, you know, hidden because it was less accepted, you know,

Yeah, but that's still fine. I reconnected with a lot of my friends from high school and things like that. Yeah. As much as I would love to be open and to be able to talk about it and everything, I know I can't because that judgmental nature that a lot of us are settled with is still there. And so, yeah, my perfect world would be to just be able to be out there and flaunt it. And, you know, I just have people be accepting of, that's who you are and that's okay.

Yeah. Yeah. No, totally. I know. You know, you know, you were ahead of your time. You grew up in the wrong time. What can you say? You know, you could only be like, you know, let these younger people know that they should really value that and take advantage of that. That they're not, you know, they weren't born in the time that we were. I'm younger than you probably, but it was still an unaccepted, you know, that I always say like, you know, there was like two things you could be when you were my age. Like you were either, you know, single or married, straight or gay. And there was nothing in between. And that's why I do like labels because I do think that they help people sort of accept different parts of themselves instead of thinking they have to keep them under wraps because

they don't fit into whatever categories are in style at the time, you know. But I love that you didn't, you know, buy into any of that. I love that you lived your life. And I love that you called into my show and told your story because it's totally fascinating. And I appreciate your podcast because they're wonderful. I'll tell you. Last night, it was the first time, and a long, long time I've had sexual dreams. And I wondered how much of that was because of what I've been listening to on your podcast and the thinking about today and what we were going to talk about today.

Oh, my God, hilarious. Yes. Well, I don't know. I mean, should I say, oh, I'm glad to be of help, you know, I'll take that as a compliment. I mean, I always feel like I cock-block my story sometimes because I know people are tuning in to get like, I don't know, kind of turned on. But that's not really why I do my show. I do my show because I'm curious because I find it interesting because I love human nature because people don't want to talk about it. I want to. I'm just like rebellious like that. You know what I mean? And I just don't have a problem with it. And I'm so non-judgmental. And I'm, and I just think that people are fascinating, regular people. You know, you talk to. somebody enough. You ask me questions. Absolutely, people are fascinating. Right? Yep. You know, with all the traveling and things I've done, I think about how much politics and religion has screwed the world up.

Right. And how much, most people, most people are just nice. Yeah. They're kind. They just want to get through. And what a different world it would be if we would just be helpful with each other. Yeah, totally. And I just believe that, like, you, I could sit down in the park with just a total

stranger. And the more I ask some questions, I'm going to, you know, you know, find an interesting story there. I think everyone has a story, you know. If you ask enough questions, you'll find it. Life is messy. Human beings are, you know, complex. And I love telling those stories because, listen, your story, there's a lot of great stuff.

Like some people, like, are going to, you'll see on YouTube. Some people will harp on the cheating thing, you know, and everyone gets kind of stuck in those boxes of judgment and everything. But I like to give the full picture. You know what I mean? There's way more positives in your story than negatives, you know? but I love the full view of it all, you know. And so thank you so much for sharing it.

Thanks for providing this one to be able to express it. Appreciate it very much. Awesome. Thanks so much for calling in, Ken. Take care. Bye. Bye-bye. Hey, everyone.

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