Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 474 - Toni was a Playboy Playmate who Lived at the Mansion and Slept with Hugh Hefner and Lots of Other Celebrities

Episode Date: April 17, 2022

Toni was a playboy playmate who lived at the mansion and slept with Hugh Hefner and a lot of other celebrities and she called in to talk all about it. How and why did she become a playmate? How did she and up living at the mansion? And, what was her experience like? Tune in for all the details which include how much she loved Hugh Hefner and how he helped her throughout her life, how there was a lot of competition to be Heffner’s girlfriend and why she wasn’t interested on that role, all the celebrities she met and hooked up with including Frank Sinatra, Sammy Davis Jr, Dean Martin, Joe Namath, Don Rickes and more, how much she enjoyed her hook-ups and who was her fave celebrity to hook up with, how Hefner was in bed, what exactly went down in the grotto, how and why she eventually became a dominatrix at the mansion and why she enjoyed it so much, why she eventually moved out of the mansion, how she became spiderwpman for Marvel comics, how she wound up in sleeping with the Haitian dictator Jean-Claude Duvalier, how she became a successful businesswoman and how living at the mansion helped her, the last time she saw Hugh Hefner and what went down, why she won’t watch the A & E documentary Secrets of Playboy, how she met her current boyfriend and a whole lot more. **To see anonymous pics of Toni and most of my other female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Now, Mark was episode 458, Captain Mark's naughty hookups at C. He talked about his girlfriend on that episode, and he talked about how she was a playmate, and she lived at the mansion. And I was like, oh, my God, I'd love to have a playboy playmate who lived at the mansion come on my show. Because he told me that she had a good experience, and I was like, come on my show. I mean, this is what people are talking about. And I felt like when I watched the documentary, I mean, the documentary is great.

And listen, this episode by no means takes away from everything that you learn in that documentary. When I taped her and spoke with her, it was before the last couple ones. And the last couple ones got really dark. You know, there were some really bad accusations. And I totally believe everything on that documentary. I feel like if I saw the last couple of episodes, maybe. I would have brought that stuff up with her, but I didn't.

But we did talk about her experience and her experience was the opposite, okay, of the experiences that the women talk about on the show. And like I said before, that does not mean that those experience aren't valid or true and or didn't happen. I 100% believe that those things happen to those women. And I also believe Tony. and I believe what happened to her. How does somebody like Hugh Hafner

go and do some things and be one way to some people and go and not do things and be another person to other people? I don't know, that's a whole other show. I could talk on that for five fucking hours. I love that kind of stuff, right? But I don't go into bigger picture stuff on my show. I like to dig deep on, you know, personal stories.

And that's why I decided to, to have Tony's story on, and it is a fascinating story. Not only did she love being at the mansion and love, you know, Hugh Hafner, she fucked Hugh Hafner. She fucked Hugh Hafner. She fucked a lot of other celebrities. She talks about them. She gives names. She was there during like the rat pack times, and she talks about that.

I ask her who was good in bed, who had a big dick. She, like I said, gives effing names. And this is not a woman. I'm just going to tell you this. And you're going to get this when you listen to her. episode, but I'm going to tell you now so you don't get turned off. She's not somebody that, like, is talking out of gossip and she's not like spilling names because she's like, you know, she wants something out of it. She's just a very honest, straight up, this is who I am kind of person.

So when I asked her a question, she just answered it. And I did ask her those salacious questions. Because I got to make an interesting show. And let me tell you, she made it interesting because She has, like I said, a fascinating story. She lived at the mansion for three years. Then she was Spider Woman for Marvel Comics. She traveled the world. She wound up in Cuba one time and like, fuck the communist or the dictator there. I forget what his name is, but she talks all about that too.

She has some crazy wild stories. And you're going to love them all. So anyway, I'm going to be right back on with Tony. Oh, wait. Sorry. And if you want to see pictures of Tony, I'm still waiting for a fucking playmate picture from her. She's off traveling with her guy. She can't find it. You know, back in the day that she was a playmate, they were just Polaroids. So those Polaroids are in a box somewhere. She's going to find me one and give me one for Patreon. But on my Patreon, if you join, you will see picks of her face. You'll see, you know, back in the day, you'll see a pick of her dressed up as Spider woman for when she worked for Marvel. You will see. see picks of her now, pick of her at Hugh Hefner's grave. She talks about reaching out to him after she left the mansion and the last time she saw him and, you know, what went down. And this

is a woman that still has only fond memories of Hugh Hefner. And so sit back, relax, and I'm, and enjoy the conversation I really did. I know you're going to enjoy it too. I'm going to be right back on with Tony. Hi, Tony. Welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast. How are you this morning? I'm good. I'm good. Thank you for having me. Yeah, thank you for coming on. You know, I spoke to your husband, the captain. Oh, boyfriend. Okay. Your boyfriend, Mark, who was the, you know, below deck captain. He was the first guy. I was like, I would love that episode because I'm really obsessed with below deck. And I think that like there's something about the breed of a person who becomes a captain of a ship. You know, it's a very, right?

It's like a certain kind of person and it's not common out there. So it was just really lovely to talk to him and hear about his explorations. And then he mentioned you on the show and how, you know, because we talked about his first marriage and stuff and then eventually. Oh, yeah. He met you and you were very like minded and had a lot of experience. And we were talking about Playboy because he said that you were, you know, at. some point, spent a lot of time at the Playboy Mansion. So I want to get into that. And you were like into the whole Dom scene. I think maybe you were a Domitrix. Yeah.

Lived in the city back in the day and got into that whole scene. So let's get your story. I don't know where we want to start. Let's go back to. I have to give me a topic, Kathy. And then I'll go with that. Okay, cool. Let's go back to your living in the city, you know, in a time where I'm assuming that like what time period was it? Were people, was it really open and free and everything was going down, and then you got into being a dominatrix? Was it, like, when did you do all this stuff and when did it start?

Let's, like, go from there. Well, it was probably when I was with the Playboy models. Okay. And then from that point, you know, I was doing a lot of photo shoots. I was doing a lot of different things for Playboy. Were you taking pictures or were you a model? I forget.

It was a model. Okay. I was a model. at the time. And Hefner basically saw a lot of my photos, along with some of the other girls that were also Playboy models, and requested us to come to L.A. Oh, I love that. We could just start with this. Drag this shit out, because I've been watching the Hefner, you know, documentary. It's like so many parts. I can't wait to really ask you some questions, but keep going. This is like really great. So you're doing this Playboy

modeling. I mean, I feel like back in the day, you, all the women that did that were pretty like ballsy, right? Because it wasn't as free as it is nowadays to just go out there and be naked. You know, nowadays people just go to like, you know, the Academy Awards with no clothes

on. You know, back then. No, you know, during that time, Kathy, I mean, if you were part of the Playboy Empire, it was a different world. Right. You were you didn't think anything of taking your clothes off. You didn't think anything of, you know, sex was sex. No one thought anything of it if you were in that world. If you were not in that world,

you were very judgmental. Right. But I mean, I'm saying to even get into that world and decide, oh, those are my people and that's where I want to go, you had to be pretty progressive and ahead of your times is what I'm saying, right? Because, you know, within that world were all the people that were like you, but outside, like you said, the majority of people were in that world and were very judgy, because it was a very different time, right? Very different time. Yeah. Yeah, it was very different. I mean, it was a sort of thing that I, you know, I mean, girl from Gary, Indiana. Yeah. You know, not knowing very much about anything except that I wanted to be a model. I wanted to be interested.

Yeah. And I worked very hard to get into that world, which I didn't even know at the time I was getting into that world. Oh, really? I had no idea. Well, what did you think you were getting into? I was getting into the Playboy models. I was getting... Oh, okay.

I see what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah. But as I got more and more involved, and I have to thank a lot of the Playboy models. And a lot of the playmates kind of took me under their wing, you know, and showed me the ropes and explained the ropes to me. And that's where it kind of took off at that point. Right. But what was it about that world?

Like, how old were you actually when you started modeling? I was probably 20. So you just decided, oh, I want to go be a playboy model. At that time, that was like a very exclusive club to get into, correct? It was, but you know what? I was naive. Yeah. At the time, I didn't realize what a club it was until it was taken in.

Right. Okay. So now have sees your guy's picture. And you guys are on the East Coast, right? The Playboy Mansion's on the West Coast. And he just says, hey, I want to see this girl, this girl, and that girl. And you're on the list and you get flown out. Yep.

Okay. Are you on like the Playboy Jet or do they fly you out? They didn't fly us out on the table. Okay. But after that, that's all we flew. Oh, okay. Okay. So go on.

So that first time, what goes down after you get there with all the other people? Oh, I mean, you know, the car picked us up at the airport. There was a limo. We got to the mansion and, you know, we got in there and it was absolutely amazing. I mean, you walked in there and it's like, this is a whole world. This is a whole world. that nobody in my family ever in a steel mill town would ever imagine. Right.

And Hefner was amazing. He was wonderful. He was nurturing. He, you know, you were not forced to stay. You could leave whenever you wanted. But I ended up staying for three years. Wow. And did you live there?

Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God, but I need to know. I have a million questions. Could we just like focus on this because it's so timely because of what's going on? And I'd love to hear because I feel like when I'm watching the documentary and look, let me tell you, if I was half's friends, like they have like two of half's friends on their like and every now and then they let them speak for like one minute.

But I would be super pissed because I feel like they were like roped into doing something thinking it was something nice for their friend and probably they're watching it like, what the fuck did we take part in? Because it's very anti him, right? And so they have all these women that have one view, but they don't have, and I typically like to watch a documentary that gives me all sides. Like I want to hear everything, not just the bat, right? Be so that everyone can make their own decision.

So you do hear from these women that have valid points and really have wanted to speak out and it's all that stuff is there. But I'd love to hear, I think it's like really interesting to hear your side of the story. I mean, I cannot even watch any of that because I get pissed off. Right. I can't watch it. I look at it as, okay, you're going to come out now for your fame and then it's going to be over. I mean, this man was nurturing, as I said before. I got there, you know, introducing everyone. We all had our own rooms. You know, and of course, a lot of the girls

I mean there was a lot of competition you know everybody wanted to be Hefner's girlfriend I didn't want to be his girlfriend Uh huh You know I didn't want to be anybody's girlfriend I just wanted to play Okay

That's cool I love it Yeah I did you know I adored the man And and I just You know Watching that whole Game of I want to be the favorite of Hefner

whatever I found very funny. Right. And even at that young age. Right. You got it and you were like not interested in, but you saw it going down and it was there. But it wasn't like a game. I mean, did you feel like it was a game that he was playing?

Or did you feel like it was a game that the girls were playing? Because in the documentary, they seemed to make it seem like he was the master, you know, puppeteer, right? And creating this environment that made the girls do it more so than the opposite. It was not like that at all. I mean, it was girls creating it. Hector didn't have to do anything, but just sit there. You know.

Yeah, right, right. You didn't have to do this thing. It was the girls, you know, forming this whole energy of, okay, I'm going to be the favorite. I'm going to look cute today. You know. And, but, you know, it wasn't. I mean, he didn't need to do that. I mean, he built an empire.

He did an amazing job. His daughter, Christy, took over for a while. He built a beautiful empire. And, you know, within that world, you know, everything was relatively, which stays at the mansion, stays at the mansion, you know, whatever happened. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that was not a big deal. So tell me about your first experience.

Like, is it like what they say? Because like the picture that is painted for me watching that documentary is that you get there and, you know, eventually at some point, it's the nighttime and you're at a party and you're told to go upstairs and you walk in the room and there's all this sex going down and, you know, you have to get involved. You know, what was that experience like for you? I'm assuming you played and you went up to that room. Oh, yeah, but you know what it was is that you could go up to the room. Yeah. You didn't have to play if you didn't want to. Right.

But most of us did play. Uh-huh. Why not? Right. It was fun. Mm-hmm. You know, if we're down around the pool and in the grotto and all of that, you know, it was your choice if you wanted to go and make out and have sex with. somebody there at the party.

And it was mostly movie stars. It was mostly during the time the rat pack. You know, part of them would come. Any sports celebrity. I mean, this was like the playground. Everyone was star-fucking. You know. Who did you fuck?

Yeah. Who did you fuck? No, I want to know, Dad, Tony. Yeah, give me some names. Come on. Oh, boy. You know, you know, I really, really enjoyed Sammy Davis. Really?

Oh, God, yeah. You know, Peter Lawford was great. Mm-hmm. You know, it was fun. It was laughter. A lot, a lot of the guys that would come in, like Joe Namath, during that time, you know. Yeah. Oh, you know, he was a ballbuster.

I mean, he would come in there. And now I see him on television. I'm thinking, oh, honey, I know what your story was years ago. Right. Yeah, I mean, a lot of celebrity fucking. You know, the Rat Pack, they were a great group. Dean Martin was not very much into the whole scene. Super nice guy.

Super, super, nice guy. but he wasn't into all of that as much, you know, as Frank was. Frank Sinatra? Yeah. Did you have sex with him? Well, we kind of, I sucked his cock. I mean. Oh, my God, that's sex.

I call that sex. Yeah. I mean, you know, it was just a lot of the fun of it. I mean. It was hedonism at its best, right? I mean, it's just a little bit of a free-for-all if you're down for that. And it's there. And like you said, if you want to participate and you were into that.

It was. I mean, I didn't know when I got there I was going to be. Right. What was that first experience? Like when you went in, was it like, oh, my God, like, this is amazing. And you started, like, was it the first time that you went up there? Were you alone with Heth? Did you ever have sex with him?

Or was it like an orgy going on? We all slept with Huff. Okay. We all did. Could you just tell me, was he good in bed? I think he was I mean you know

I mean the girls were kind of all over him so he really didn't have to do much right but when he did yeah when he did he knew what he was doing

right okay but yeah I mean we all slept with him at different points and different times you know it was this part of all of it and if you didn't want to you didn't

right you didn't go into that room or you just watched or you left. And now when you were in that room, like, it's like, when it came time that you, like, sucked Frank Sinatra's dick and you had fun with Sammy Davis, was it like orgy scenarios

or in the grotto? Or would you go to separate rooms and just be one-on-one? Or was this like... It was huge... Well, with Sammy, we basically started off in, like, the grotto. Right.

And then the next time he came to the mansion, we were up in a room. Mm-hmm. You know, I mean, with Frank, it was up in the room. Right. And it just depended on where you were. I mean, no one paid attention to what anyone was doing.

Right. No one was trying to get a story on this one or that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everyone was having fun. Because Huff would have just smashed it down. Right. You know, he didn't want anything coming out of there. That would hurt any of his buddies.

Right, because these people were his. buddies. Yeah. That's why they were there. Exactly. You know, after a couple years of going up and having fun and having sex and fucking this one and that one. Yeah. I got bored. Right. Been there, done that. Oh my God. You're hilarious. Yeah. Yeah. It was like, okay, is there something more? Yeah. You know, and that's when I explored the world of becoming a dominatrix. I love it, but I don't want to jumped there yet because I love this whole playboy angle. Is that cool with you if we just stick on this? Yeah. So like you obviously had a relationship with him outside of that, right? You're living at the mansion. How many other people at one time would be living there? As far as the girls? Well, as far as

the girls, it could be like 12 of us. It could be 16 of us. Okay. So it's not like that large of a crowd. So you really would get to know him, right? Because you're there living there for three years. Yeah, absolutely. I think Huff was in true. with me more because when I got there being a girl from a steel mill town and working my way into the Playboy modeling agency, he thought I had guts. Right. And he was going to toughen me up. Mm-hmm.

And I had no idea what any of that meant. It was like, okay, cool, fine. You know, which was really a part where I had scoliosis. surgery in the early 60s, which was very barbaric. Yeah. And I wore a body cast for two years. So, of course, everybody's telling me I'm going to be ugly. I'm going to be a crippled.

Blah, blah, blah. That built a fire under me, big time. Right. So by the time I got to the mansion and have saw the scar on my back and whatever, and he said, you will learn how to cover that up. you will learn a makeup technique. Right. So it was,

he wasn't turned off by it. He basically taught me the tricks to hide all my scars. Right. With makeup or whatever. Like he helped you. And that must have been, like you said,

that's the nurturing aspect, right, that you're talking about because that was probably something that made you very self-conscious. Yeah. It definitely.

was early on in my career because if my agent set me out for something and somebody saw the scar, they would scream and yell, she's maimed. Right, wow. Wasn't going to let any of that get me down. That shit was not going to work.

Yeah, you were balzy. I mean, he saw that in you and he obviously liked that. I know he's in Ares. I'm into astrology a little bit. I'm in Aries. I know how we roll. We like tough people. You know what I mean? So he admired that in you when he was like, I could you know, kick her around and, you know, push her out of her comfort zone because she could handle it.

And that's exactly, Kathy, you hit it on the head. Yeah. You would push me out of my comfort zone. Yeah. And that's what I need it. Mm-hmm. Because further on, everything I learned there, everything I did there, stayed with me for my life even to today.

Wow. You know, I mean, I can look at something and go, you know, look at somebody sitting there. they're crying over some shit. That doesn't mean a thing tomorrow. So really, get over it. Right. You're like tough. Yeah.

Right. It really set you up to handle things. I really feel like depending on what you've gone through, and I was just having this conversation with someone the other day, it really sets you up for how strong you are, right? I remember having a roommate that was once crying hysterically. Like when I say crying, like gasping for air, crying. And I was like, oh my God, what happened?

And she was like, I can't find my paycheck. And I was like, oh, and I'm helping her look, and she's crying. And I'm like, well, don't you think that they could just like issue you a new one? And she was like, yes. And I would just remember. Like, I remember this so clearly because it really dawned on me how bad my life was. Because I was like, wow, this is this girl's biggest problem. Like, what a lovely childhood.

Like, that's the way I saw it. I was like, wow. Like, she had nothing bad happened to her. Like this was the worst thing. Like it really shows how different people, depending on what they went through, how they could handle things. So I think people that go through tougher times are, you're just more capable of handling the tough things because of that past, for sure.

So that was you. You know, you look at someone like, you would look at my roommate, like, what the fuck's your problem? You don't know what I mean. It's a paycheck. But it's all relative to what you've been through, for sure. It is, Kathy. Whatever you've been through, I mean, if somebody walks,

up to me and goes, oh, I broke my arm and I go, yeah. Right, because you had that hard, you like had spinal surgery, right. Yeah. So, you know, it's all on where you come from. Yeah, totally. It's what you've exposed, you know. Right. So now, do you know the women that are a part of this documentary?

Were they there at the mansion when you were there for those three years? I stay, I have stayed away from that. Oh, okay. Okay. Completely. Mm-hmm. because I would just lose my shit on it. I really would.

Right. Now, do you know, because you were there for three years, you must have people that have the same kind of experience you have. Like, I feel like all those women are connected because they had this negative experience and they connect on that. Do you have people that you're still close with from that time in your life still? You know, it's really funny. I mean, no.

I mean, I do wonder where some of the girls are. Yeah. Sometimes I'll go online. I'll Google or whatever. But no, I mean, after the Playboy agency closed in Chicago. Yeah. And everything went to L.A. Uh-huh.

And after we left the mansion, I mean, we were close for about five years during that time. But then we, you know, like a lot of them wanted to marry a rich man. Yeah. I was not looking to marry anyone. so I couldn't be part of that game. Yeah. You know, I've always said I'm much better off not married. Mm-hmm.

And so, yeah, we all kind of went different ways because of what we were looking for. Now, did you stay, like, was half the type of guy that, like, you would stay in touch with or when you left, it was just like... Oh, God, yeah. Oh, Kathy, yeah. You know, after I left the mansion, I, my agent, or half-war, my agent, or half-war, was behind it, I'm not sure. I became Spider-Woman for Marvel Comics. They were creating a character.

And I went to New York and, you know, we created the character. And I traveled the country for probably about three years. Oh, my God. I need picks of all of this stuff. I really do. Okay, go on. This is like fascinating to me. Go ahead.

Yeah. I mean, you know, we all travel the country. you know, all those heroes at Marvel Comics. That experience was amazing. Huff, as far as being in touch, yes. There was a point in my life where I was in L.A. And I called him, I think about eight years had passed. And I called him, and he picked up the phone.

And I said, hey, Huff, it's Tony. And he went, he stopped for a mini-mov. Tony. And I said, you want to have lunch? He said, please come over. And I went over to the mansion and we had lunch and two little blonde girls are sitting by him. And this is what his brother was still alive.

Yeah. And it was like he was interested in what I've been doing. He was interested on how I was. Right. Genuinely. Yeah. Right. And he didn't forget, you know, and there was one other time.

I was in Vegas, and I was just really in a very down, depressing mood. And I had opened up a talent agency. And it was like, what the fuck are you doing? You know? And it was after a few years, and I just went, okay, I'm in Vegas. I'm calling half. And I called him. And I said, can I come over for the night?

And he said, why don't you come over for a couple nights? Oh, wow. Yeah. I went to L.A. I went to my room, took a nap, and went down to dinner. And, you know, it was amazing. It was amazing. Don Rickles was there.

You know. He was notorious for being well hung, I think. Wasn't that the word on the street about him? Yeah. Right? Yeah. He had a really big dick. Big dick, you know, thick dick.

Yeah, yeah. That's what I feel like it must be the case. So it was really thick. Yeah. And it was like, it was like being home, Kathy. Right. I could gather my energy. I was grounding myself just sitting and listening to the conversation.

Right. You know, it was. And then, you know, he had always said, have always said, that when he dies, you know, he bought the tomb right next to Marilyn Monroe. Oh, really? I didn't know this. Yes. And that was his first centerfold. And actually, she didn't pose. He bought photos of her. Right. And that was his first centerfold in the magazine that kicked it off. So about, oh, last September, I went to, I went to L.A. And I went to the cemetery.

Yeah. And took a picture of him right next to Maryland Monroe. Oh, wow. Is, you know, I mean, he said that from the beginning. That's where he's going to be next first centerfold. And it was cool, you know. I've enlarged the photo and put it up on my wall. Right, because he was a very, I mean, you stayed friends with him that whole time.

I mean, when you went that, was the last time that you saw him that, like, that couple day stint when you were there? Yeah, that was the last time, yeah. Right. And then so so many years later that he passed. Yeah. And, I mean, he was in great health. I mean, walking back in there after so many years.

Right, eight years that passed, right? Yeah, and you walk in, you know, and you've experienced so much and you've traveled so much and you look around. And, I mean, for me, I don't know how the other girls feel, but I know for me. Yeah. I was home. This is where I learned. This is where I went to college. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is what got me through my life. Right. That's interesting. Isn't that so interesting how, you know, you have all like, and I'm sure there's other people out there that have your same experience, right? And that it's so different. That's why I think it is so important to get this episode out there and have people find it, you know, because it's, it is a, you can't, as much as you can, as much as you can, as you can, as you can, You can't say they're not, their reality is not real. You can't say yours is it. You know what I mean?

If you buy into what they're saying, then you also have to buy in to what you're saying. And that's what's so interesting about life. Everyone has different experiences. You know, I mean, it really, right? Because like I said, as much as I can't sit there and say, they're wrong, I can't say that about you. It's, if you're going to be completely fair, which I really am, you have to say what they experienced was true and what you experienced was true. How do both of those things exist? I think that that sometimes happens.

So let's get back to you because I want to make sure that we get to the point where now here you are. You left the Playboy Mansion and you said that like you had you didn't want to get married. You weren't on that path. You were like you're still going out. Now how did you wind up as a dominatrix? It was at the mansion. Oh, it was. Yeah.

Oh, let's stay in the mansion. I need that part of things. This is all going to be about Playboy. I'm sorry. I love this. episode I'm obsessed with it. That's okay. It's so timely, so it's good.

Yeah. It was when I got bored. Oh, okay. Tell me what. So you're bored. Okay, so you're bored at all the stuff that's going down, been there, done that, had the orgies. You've been with women.

You did everything you could do there, right? Exactly. Okay. You know, and it was like, oh, God, you know, two years that passed. You've done everything possible. Uh-huh. And, you know, I, there was a woman. couple women there that were dominatrix and we were talking over lunch and I said you know you know

I really would like to come and shadow you I really want to learn because I want to take this to another level and they were thrilled and so for about two weeks I shadowed these few women and I was getting off on it you liked it yeah it was like I was in charge it kind of took me to another level that apparently I needed because I was bored with the normal level. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So it was like, okay, let me, you know,

let me get into this. And it was so funny because so many men, all the high-powered men, they've been a bad boy. Right. Oh my God. You know, I mean, you're doctors, you're lawyers. Those are the ones who are son of a bitches, but those are the ones that want to be spanked or whipped or whatever.

Yeah, I've heard that a lot of my show and I think, listen, nothing is ever 100%. But I totally have heard a lot of times and it makes sense that that guy who's, whether he's a CEO of the doctor, you know, the guy that's like the head of everything, you know, you know, that switch for them to be the sub is like a release.

Exactly. You know, it was, it was fun. It was fun, Kathy. You know, I mean,

you could wear your outfits. You could go in there. You know, you're playing this game. I was very emotionally detached from any of it. Uh-huh. But were you sexually into it? Sexually, yeah.

Okay. If the roles would have been reversed and it was the guy, I would not be as comfortable. Mm-hmm. Right. Because you would, right, right, right. You like to be in control. Right. I wanted to get myself into a situation I couldn't get out of. Right. Yeah. For sure. Sure. I understand that. Now, let me ask you this. Were you getting paid for that or was that just something you were doing for fun? You know, because you're still at the mansion and you're bored of like, you know, the regular stuff going on. I wasn't getting paid. It was fun. Okay. It was fun. I mean, when Hiff would send us out on special appearances at some events or something, we got paid for that, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But this was just fun. Pure fun. Wow. And so like it was this like all I'm assuming this is all like unspoken stuff, right? That's going down at this place that people know like oh if you want you know if you want to be dominated like there's the room or that's the girl or you're walking around the parties and your outfit. Exactly Kathy. Exactly. That's how it went down. Yeah. And you know, I mean, you just think I became very jaded, very, um,

I mean, by the age of 26, it was like, oh, I've been there, I've done that. Okay, fine. Yeah. Okay, fine. Uh-huh. You know, you know, I don't regret a moment of it. Right. It made me who I am today.

Yeah, totally. And now, but so how long were you a dom? And then did you take that? About a year. About a year. And then when you left, you started that talent agency. You said you weren't, like, really happy at all. Like, you know, and I know where you are now.

Yeah. You know, what did you do in between that time and when before you met Mark? Like, did you ever have any kind of long-term relationships before him? Did you ever have a kid? Did you wind up doing anything else that was like sexually interesting? I mean, what had? I never know with you. You have a very interesting life.

Yeah, no. When I left the mansion, I did the spider woman gig until I, I got killed off. But I was with the Playboy models. I was doing a lot of photo shoots, a trade show convention, commercial work. Yeah. I didn't open my agency until many years after that.

Yeah. I ended up in Haiti during the revolution of Duvalier, who I had no idea who Duvalier was at the time. Yeah, obviously I don't either. I'm like a dumb sometimes. And he was a big painter. Okay. I had no idea.

Went to Haiti. All the Americans were leaving. I was stuck in Haiti for two weeks because no flights were going out. Yeah. I was with a friend. And we went to a nightclub one night. And my friend and his friend were getting drunk. And this man comes in in white with bodyguards.

and I look over and I smile and he smiles and there was a stage show and then his bodyguard came over to me and said my boss would like to see you in my limousine. Wow. You know, and I looked over at the two guys I was with and went, oh, wow, I'm going to go. You go for the story. You're like me. I would go for the story, yeah. Yeah.

So I come out, this gorgeous black limo. Yeah. I get in and Duvalier. was in there and I heard the doors locked. No fucking way. So it was like a dictatorship and I thought this can't be good and before that you know I was hearing machine gun fire

in the background after I got and knew I couldn't get out of the country so I'm in the car really not knowing who he is Kathy. Yeah. No. And you know he gives me champagne and we start talking and I'm thinking well I can't get out of this limo. There's no way I can say

excuse me, I got to go. We ended up having sex. After sex, he unlocked doors. And he thanked me, was a gentleman. I said, what's your name? I didn't even know his fucking name.

He said, just call me baby. Wow. It was a baby doc. So, You know, I get out of the limo and his bodyguard said, well, it's a good thing you had sex with him. And I looked at him and I go, what? He said, because he would have killed you. Oh, my God.

And I went, oh, yeah, it's a good thing I did, isn't it? Next morning, I get up and I read the paper in my hotel room. Baby Doc Duvalier and his wife had fled the country that night. Wow. Yeah. Right after. Right after. Wow.

Your story reads like a movie, Tony. Well, thank you. But, you know, it was like, oh, fuck. And the person I was with, you know, I could say anything. I'm just sitting there reading the paper going, oh, shit, what did I do? Yeah. Oh, my God. I think you saved your life is what you did, Tony.

You would have been chopped meat in a garbage bag somewhere. Yeah. So, you know, I mean, there's so many things. Things like that happen, Kathy. What do you mean so many things like that? What else? Oh, well, you know, I mean, all of us girls, after the Playboy Mansion, you know, there was like five of us. Yeah.

That we became a click, that we could look at each other across the room and know what we were thinking or whatever. Yeah. And a friend of mine at the time that was seen wanted to buy me a ring in a ring. Vegas and I had to pay my rent. So I let him buy me this very expensive ring. So you could hawk it. That he wanted to have engraved. And I said, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Yeah. So a couple weeks later, I went back to Vegas with another guy, had him buy me the same ring. And, you know, I thought, I just love this ring. Well, bye, he bought it. So I had two. So I returned one, got the money, paid my rent, and every time I wore the ring, each one thought it was theirs. Oh my God, you're like a fucking hustler.

You know, if you grew up in these times, you'd be making like 10 grand a month on, if not more, on Onlyfans. I know. You're that girl. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, you know, now, um, at least, living in Manhattan for 30 years and closing my company after I opened it. I mean, it went for 30 years.

So, you know, I mean, I opened my talent agency and I built it up nationwide. And, you know, I don't have a business degree. I don't have any of that. Yeah. But because of my education at the beginning. Right. I was able to build it to be nationwide. Wow, that's incredible.

And did you, were you able to like, in the beginning? did it help? Like, did you still have contacts because of all those celebrities that you met at all? Or did you just know how the business worked because of that? Because I would think that you, you know, that maybe somehow would have helped too. No. No, Kathy. You're absolutely right. I mean, I knew the people. Yeah. But you did not go to them to help. Right. Right. You did not go. Right. Because you went to that person and asked for help. You were weak. Okay. Interesting. and I would never show a weakness. So no, none of my connections, none of it.

Right. None of it. Right. You did it all on your own, but that's like pretty major that you built it up and a talent agency and it lasted for 30 years. Like that's, that's amazing. Oh yeah. But, you know, after living the life, I did live and opening that.

I was burnt. I mean, I never wanted children. I don't have children. I don't have the motherly instinct. I'm a good aunt. Other than that, it was like, hey, I'm going to buy it. I'm going to do it. And I'm not going to owe anyone anything.

Right. And, you know, it's, you can call it a hardness, but I've had a lot of moments that were very heartbreaking. And that made me who I am now. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure like you, you don't sweat the small stuff. Right. When I moved up here to Maine, I was burnt out. I owned two apartments in Manhattan in the West Village.

Yeah. And I kind of went, okay, I'm burnt. Yeah. I have nothing to give. But that was after a good number, a number of years. Yeah. You did your business, you said, for 30 years. Yeah. That's more than a good number of years. That's a long fucking time. Yeah. When I bought my house up here in Maine, I had my two dogs. Yeah. I was sick of people. I was done. Right. And for two years, I didn't talk to anybody up here. You decompressed. It took me two years. Yeah. It really did. And there was a point where, as I was writing my book, my memoirs,

I had no feeling, Kathy. Well, you did write your memoirs. I see, I told you your story is so fascinating. Do you sell that book at all yet? No, I haven't. I, you know, I'm reaching out to agents now. Yeah, yeah. It's done, you know.

No one's picked it up yet, but I still need to move on it. But no, I moved up here, and it was like I was void of emotion. Mm-hmm. That book and went, oh, you know, I wrote that book as a person looking at that young girl. Yeah. And I thought, boy. And then there was a Nor'Easter up here. I think it was back in 2008 or whatever, 2009.

And it was January and I went out with my camera and the wind's blowing. Everything's going on. And I find myself on the edge of the ocean here because I was like right across the street. And I got hot and I took my coat off and I went in to the ocean in January in the noise. Wow. Wow. I could feel again. Yeah.

I get that. It wasn't a suicide thing at all. It was a fight for survival. Yeah. And I needed to fight. Mm-hmm. I totally get that. That's like a beautiful moment.

A lot of people would not understand that. No, I totally understand it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, was that, do you feel like that was. was like a little bit of a turning point. Like when do you meet Mark? Because I feel like you, you know, it's such a lovely time for you, right? After everything that you've been through to meet this guy who I, you know, I got his story. Yeah. You know, and you're just so aligned and

you, you know, I think it's like so great that it finally in both of your lives, you meet somebody who's on that same page, you know, of the same mindset and you have this wonderful relationship. if Mark and I would have met during years before yeah he would have never gotten along interesting never never uh you know I was in Maine a good five six years before Mark and I met and I was doing uh at the studio here in Maine I do a weekly show and I decided to teach an on-camera class for three. And Mark showed up. Interesting.

Yeah, he showed up because he was involved in like real estate and there was going to be some camera stuff coming up and he wanted to learn. And then from that point it was like, okay, you know, it took months and he reached out to me and said, do you want to go out? I said no. No. And then after that, there was a couple more calls where, you know, he said he had a boat. Do I want to go for a ride?

And I love sailing. Yeah. And I said, sure. And it kind of started from there. And how long ago was that? How long have you been together? Probably about four years now. Right.

And when do you guys, like, really cop to your past? Because I know that, like, he was able to be very honest with everything. that he had done and you were perfectly suited for him because, you know, a lot of women would be like, oh my God, what the fuck, you know? But here you were someone that was so open-minded. Like you had been there, done that. So he's going to tell you stuff that he's done. And it's probably wasn't that big of a deal for you. It wasn't Kathy. Right. In fact, in fact, it was right after we had sex. Yeah. And he said, well, there's something I want you to listen to. Right. I said, okay. And he played the show with you. and I listened. And when it was over, I said, I'm very proud of you. I'm very proud that you brought this up to Kathy and you put it on the air. Yeah. I don't know if that surprised him or not.

Mm-hmm. But to me, it wasn't a big deal. Right. Well, I mean, why would it be? I mean, I never, I never wanted to have somebody in my life permanently. Right. You never wanted to hang your hat anywhere. No, I didn't.

Yeah, I get that. I'm more like that. Yeah. Yeah. And we did click because of his background. He wasn't judgmental of me. Yeah. I wasn't judgmental of him.

Mm-hmm. I am who I am. He's who he is. Yeah. But, you know, I think I appreciate him more now because I've had so many lovers and I've had so many different situations in my life that I was not emotionally available and wouldn't be to them. Now at this point, I can appreciate him and he can appreciate me.

Yeah. You know, so I, you know, yeah, if we would have even met 20 years ago, it would have never worked. So it's timing. It's all about timing. Yeah. For sure. Mm-hmm. You know, he is who he is.

I am who I am. And hey. Do you guys live together? Yeah. Right. And he still is sailing. I mean, I feel like people, if they haven't heard Captain Mark's episode, go listen to it. It's really good.

I'm going to put the description. I mean, I'm going to put the link to his episode in the description in case people haven't heard from it yet because it was a lovely conversation. I loved talking to you. If you could send me any kind of pitch. like for my Patreon, like of these things that we talk about. That would be great. If not, it's totally fine.

But if you have anything, that would be like awesome. I will take look at what I have here. Yeah. Send me some picks. I am obsessed with your story. I, for so many reasons, even if that Playboy documentary, I mean, I think it's great because of that documentary. And when I was watching it, like I said, I was like, where's the other side of things?

Like, I just feel like there was too many people going in and out there that there has to be another view of things. And I love that I'm going to air that because I'm all about fairness. And I like, like I said, I think it's only fair to hear the other side as much as it's fair for them to get their story out. So I love that part of it. But your life, you know, everything about you is just fascinating. I really hope you sell that memoir, you know, maybe somebody listening to this if you're

an agent, you know, listen. Everyone listens to podcasts now. I have a big audience. I mean, it's so it is. She's got a book. It's all written out. It reads like a movie. It reads like a movie to me.

Okay. Now is the time to really push that because of what's going on with Playboy. But, you know, thank you so much for coming. Oh, Kathy. Thank you very much for having me on your show. Now, you said you have a show or something that you do and mean. Do you want to give a shout out to anything? Well, you know, I'm just starting a podcast.

It's called. Tell it to Tony. Okay. And, you know, on YouTube, a lot of my local shows here in Maine has very bad lighting. Trust me. Okay. But no, we're cool. I just appreciate your time, Kathy.

No, I appreciate you coming on in your honesty and your story was great. I love it. I love, like I said, I love biographies. I love it. I'm like the type person that always goes for the story too. I let you know. And you had some fucking good ones. Okay.

So thank you so much. Yeah. Thank you very much. Send me those picks and I will give a shout. I'll definitely put, is your podcast out now? So for people to go fine? Not yet.

Not yet. Okay. So you let me know when it is because what I could do is, you know, we'll put it in. Because listen, a podcast lives forever, right? Right. So if it's up three months from now

and people are always finding my show and they're always listening to things. So, you know, let's call. Go ask Tony. What is it called? Tell Tony. Go tell Tony. Okay.

It will be up on the podcast apps all over at some point. So if you're listening to this, you know, check it out. It might be there now. We don't know, right? But get it up there because, you know, this will be out there and people will be listening to this and they'll go looking for you. If they want to see anonymous,

well, not anonymous picks. If they want to see your picks, they're going to be in my Patreon. and you could join my Patreon, but thank you so much for sharing your story. It's wonderful. It's going to air like ASAP, so just look out for it, either this Sunday or next Sunday. Oh, Kathy. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Tony. Bye. Okay. Tell Mark, thanks for passing you along. I will tell him. Okay. Thanks so much. Bye.

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