Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 482 - Jason is Into Swinging, Dominating Couples, Golden Showers and More
Episode Date: May 8, 2022Jason is into swinging, dominating couples, golden showers and more and he called in to talk all about it. When did he start experimenting with sex? When did he start swinging? And when did he start b...eing a dom and what exactly does he do? Tune in for all the details which include his Ms. Robinson relationship when he was 15, when and why he started cheating on his wife, how he became a dom for couples after the divorce, what kind of couples he was into and he liked to do to them, his first bisexual experience, what went down and how he felt afterwards, how his career has led him into friendships and hookups with celebrities and porn stars, the swingers clubs and parties he attended and what went down, the 3 couple orgy he experienced, his golden shower experience, how he became a member of the mile high club with the stewardess, how he likes to top and bottom when he hooks up with guys, how he believes he’s a functional sex addict and how that plays out in his life, the couple clients he takes on when Domming, how much he charges and a whole lot more. **To see an anonymous pic of Jason and most of my other female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at strictlyanonymouspodcast@gmail.com or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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What else? Today, I have on a guy named Jason. Now, Jason has led a very interesting life.
You know, he's sort of around. I mean, he does allude to the fact, or not elude, he actually
talks about the fact that he knows a bunch of celebrities and porn stars. And he's, and he's
He's been there, done that everything, okay? And he's very into Asiaks. He talks about his early
experiences with like a Mrs. Robinson's type woman. He was super young. I forget the exact age,
but he was really young and she was way older and, you know, she, he had sex with her a lot and
she taught him a lot. And, and then, you know, he talks about what he happened and what he got
into when he was older. He's very into doming. He's into being. He's into being. He's into being. He's
a dom for couples, both men and women. He loves to dom for them. We talk a lot, we talk a little bit
about that in the beginning. And then at the end, he goes really into how he doms couples, what he does,
how much he charges, because he does do this kind of on the side. And if you want to hook up with him,
because you're a couple looking for a dom, he's down for that. And he gives a shout out about
all that. That's towards the end. But we get a little bit into his domy experience. We also talk about,
you know, when it comes to couples, what he looks for in a couples. We're
We talk about his first bisexual experience.
Like, how did he even figure out that he was kind of into guys?
And is he really into them?
We go through that.
He does, like I said, no, some celebrities and porn actors and actresses.
And he does talk about the things that he's done and the situations he's gotten into
because of where he lives and what he does.
You know, he's gone to Swingers clubs and Swingers' house parties with like the hottest people.
He got into golden showers.
He did, you know, a three couple.
orgy. He did mile high stuff with flight attendants. Like he's another guy that would just like bump into
girls that just want to fuck him, you know? And then, you know, and he goes into all those stories.
Like I said, the house parties. And he does think that he has a little bit of a sexual addiction.
And it can kind of get a little dark. But he loves sex. He's here to talk about it. He loves being a
dom. He talks about that again, like I said, towards the end. And that's what we do. That's
That's what he talks about. I said that like 10 times. Oh, he did send me in a picture, okay? And somebody
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Hi, Jason.
Welcome to the strictly anonymous podcast.
How are you doing today?
I'm doing fine Kathy. Thanks for having me.
I think you have a very interesting past. You've kind of been there, done that, a lot of things.
Something that stuck out in your email to me was like the golden showers thing because I haven't had a lot of that on my show, but, you know, that's not everything.
I mean, you've, like I said, been there, done that. Why don't you start off explaining, you know, your story?
Okay. I'd like to.
I started very young.
My experiences with sex and women.
I think the first thing that I remember is walking in on my parents having sex.
And both my parents were good-looking people, you know, very attractive.
And I wasn't sure what was going on.
But, you know, more and more I started to put the pieces together when I discovered Playboy and Penthouse.
and it just kind of grew from there.
And I started getting into, you know, certain experience with people my own age, but it wasn't quite a satisfying.
So I had a Mrs. Robinson experience.
How old were you when you had the Mrs. Robinson?
Like, what was that age range?
What was her age or what was your age?
Her age range was in, like, early 30s.
Uh-huh.
And I was 15.
Okay.
So she taught.
me a lot because
most guys
at that young age, all
they're into is, you know, just
give me experience and getting it over with.
You know, it's wham-bam, thank you man.
He wouldn't allow me to do that.
She actually started
teaching me how to
really pay attention to a woman's needs
and actually have a reader.
She taught me a lot about doing
oral on them.
And
it was amazing.
I mean, it kind of spoiled me.
Can I just ask you a quick question because I know that you have a lot to tell me, but real quick, how does a 15-year-old wind up having sex with a 30-year-old?
Like, did you know her from the neighborhood?
Was she your babysitter?
Like, how do you guys hook up?
I knew her from the neighborhood.
Okay.
I think that, you know, I've always been really good at understanding people.
Uh-huh.
And she used to make all kind of flirtatious comments to me.
and one day it just kind of led into her.
She was dressed very provocatively.
And, you know, here I am, this young kid with a heart on.
It's just fucking reaching the fucking son.
She noticed, and she actually invited me in.
Before you know, we were messing around.
Then she just took me under her wing and actually started teaching me a lot.
Okay.
We had an ongoing thing for probably,
I'd say probably a year and a half to two years.
Oh, wow. Okay.
Now, I know that you did say that you were married for a very long time and you're, you know,
your divorce now, but did a lot of the stuff that you did go down while you were married
and did it happen with your wife or was it happening behind her, your wife's back?
Well, at first, I mean, it was a very good marriage.
I mean, oh, there was nothing going on behind her back for the longest time.
Yeah.
And I mean, I wanted to have that monogamous relationship, but as time went on, I think she got complacent and the communication factors were dying.
And I think that, you know, we just kind of lost touch with it.
And then the whole thing about, you know, the needs, you know, you have these desires and needs.
And I acted out on them, even though I regret it.
But, you know, it had to come out because.
I finally realized I was definitely addicted to sex, but I was just able to function with it.
And why do you say you were addicted to it?
When did you start to really think that?
I realized, I mean, I could be out somewhere.
And if I seen a really good looking female, you know how they talk about turning your head.
You know, I'm really looking.
I started visualizing, you know, what they would be like.
And I realized them how much I desired them.
and I'm into all the senses, you know, I'm, I'm into the looks, I'm into the sounds, the smells, the taste, you name it, I'm completely there.
Right.
And I've had the fortune of working in an industry where I traveled a lot and I was able to, you know, arrange certain meetings with certain females.
And it became really easy.
And, you know, even though I know deep down,
was wrong. It just had to happen, I guess. Well, let me ask you this, because you mentioned, like,
oh, you know, I was dominating couples. You were into BDSM. You were, had some bisexual experiences.
The Golden Showers thing that you mentioned as well. Like, did all of this take place while you were
married after things shifted and you weren't getting your needs met at home? Did you start doing all
of this stuff behind your wife's back? Is that what happened?
Um, not all of it. I mean, I would say mildly, you know, the affairs, that was pretty much what was going on until we divorced.
Yeah. And after we were divorced, then I started getting into other experiences.
Oh, okay. Mm-hmm.
Started realizing that, you know, there's, um, just like the doming and being a master for couples and stuff, um, I'm very alpha male.
Mm-hmm.
And I'm very dominant in that sense.
But I'm very choosy about who I'll work with or who all actually have these experiences with.
And I'm not having the experience just to have my own satisfactions met.
I actually look at their needs too.
I don't do something that's really against their real desire.
I also, you know, like I happen to do an essay before I'll even take them on as clients.
It kind of give me a background story.
understand why they want to be dominated.
And a lot of times I use humiliation as the obedience tool.
And I think that works well.
But I've always had couples and, you know,
solos come back and always tell me that they were very glad that they had that experience.
And it makes me feel pretty good to know that.
Where do you meet these couples?
Like, are you on FetLife or something as a Dom?
I was on FetLife.
And I've on some other sites, too, that, you know, I just happened to meet people.
And then sometimes word of mouth got out, you know, to other couples that were kind of open about their relationships.
And I would have people contact me and ask me if that was something that I would consider with them.
And I, you know, some of them, yes, some of them no.
What would make, what about a couple would make you say no?
Well, I would really pay close attention to either one of the couple to find out whether one's really into it, one's not into it.
They're just being forced into it.
Oh, okay.
And if they're being forced into it, I'm sorry, it's just not going to work.
Yeah, no, for sure.
Uh-huh.
And I want them to get something out of it.
Uh-huh.
If anything, I know this sounds weird, but, you know, even though I'm getting my pleasure, I want to make sure that they have a very fulfilling, you know,
know, sex life, or they have a very fulfilling relationship with each other.
Right.
So, I mean, I have safe words that I use, you know, I do not sit there and, you know,
I won't do something that is against their comforts, you know.
Did you ever play with, like, did it start off when you were doming, like, playing with, you know,
women or just men?
Because I know that you have had bisexual experience, or was it always that you wanted it to be
with a couple?
Actually, no.
It started out.
I had a bisexual experience long before I started doing the domi.
Uh-huh.
I was at a party.
It was a friend of mine, and he had a friend from another social circle that was there,
and we didn't really know each other, but he was, you know, the kind of guy I wanted
to talk, and we had all been drinking a little too much that night, and I remember him
and I were the only two, I guess you could say, standing.
Everybody else has passed out.
And he kept, he made a reference to being horny.
And he asked me if I'd ever thought about it.
Was this a sex party or just a regular party?
No, just a regular party.
Oh, okay, cool.
Regular party of sex party.
Yeah.
And he just, you know, he said something about man.
He said, I'm pricking horny.
And he asked me, he said, what my orientation was.
And I just told him.
I said, no.
I said, I'm pretty much straight.
Yeah.
And he said, man, he said, a mouth is a mouth.
And I said, well, yeah, but there's a technique that goes behind it too.
And he says, well, let me prove myself.
And I'm thinking, man, I'm drunk as hell anyway.
So it's like, no, why not?
So he's actually down there doing it.
That was actually enjoyable.
And that kind of piqued my interest a little more.
you know, we both took turns on each other.
And I actually kind of enjoyed it, even though I do enjoy women more, you know, it was an experience.
It wasn't too bad.
Yeah, that's interesting.
Did you ever realize that maybe you were slightly attracted to men or was this totally like, wow, I would have had no idea.
Well, okay, let me kind of take you into an area that I am.
I'm very artistic and creative in a lot of ways.
Uh-huh.
And I think I've always felt the human body was beautiful.
you know, no matter what sex.
Yeah.
But I never really had sexual desires.
Okay.
You always felt like you could appreciate the body of a man, right?
But you never had that desire.
And then you were surprised that you enjoyed it.
Yeah, I was.
I mean, it was like, you know, had I not been under the influence of alcohol,
which I'm not a big drinker anyway.
Yeah.
You know, it doesn't probably take much to get me there.
And it was just one of those moments where I was surprised at me.
myself.
Right.
But it was, I didn't regret it.
Do you feel like your orientation changed?
Did you have more experiences than that one?
Yeah, I had more experiences than that one.
I mean, I went on to do a little bit of, you know, bisexual experiences with, you know,
different people that I got to know and I knew they were into that.
I have to be, you know, like I said, I'm very much, I can't just walk out of the closet and say,
here I am. I know it sounds weird, but because of what I do in life and business and stuff like that,
I just, you know, I have to be very careful about my lifestyle. Oh, okay, because maybe you're in the
public eye within your field or something like people would know you or you just can't be totally
out there. Absolutely. Uh-huh. So that's all under reps. But when you were on like, well, I don't want to go
there because that could maybe give you away. So these, so these, so you never came out as anything,
but this was stuff that you did on the deal. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. And I had some really great experiences.
You know, I seem to attract a lot of younger people, which is really interesting. Why do you think?
I don't know. I don't look at myself the way other people look at me, I guess. But, you know,
they always say attractive, handsome. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. I was going to say. I was
Are you hot?
Like, I mean, I don't know.
Well, I've considered that according to some women that I've been with.
Uh-huh.
I don't really buy into it.
Yeah.
But I will say that, you know, I do keep myself in good shape.
And I have a regimen that I go through.
Mm-hmm.
I'm in my 60s.
Mm-hmm.
And I look like I'm probably in my, like, 40s, early 50s, according to people that guess my age.
Yeah.
So, but, yeah, I've had a lot of 20-some-year-olds.
that have been attracted to me, both female and male.
And I've had, you know, 30, 40, you know, whatever,
through the, you know, the different age ranges.
But I just, you know, I've never had a one-night stand.
That's the interesting thing.
What do you?
Oh, really?
So it's never been a one-time deal with someone.
You kind of spend that time and then you get to know them and you want to see them again?
Yeah.
Okay.
I mean, I've had experiences, you know,
where I've had long term, you know, where if I wanted to, I could do booty calls, you know,
like going and calling somebody and saying, hey, I'm coming over or you want to come over or whatever.
Yeah.
But I'm not somebody that abuses people, you know.
Mm-hmm.
I tell people up front what I'm looking for, and I've had a few that got emotionally attached and wanted to, you know, it's like fall in love real quick,
and I just said I couldn't do it.
So you try to be straight up.
I think the thing with booty calls,
because I've had very successful ones and not so successful ones,
I think the key is it.
And I've had a lot of guys on here and guy friends.
It'll be like, yeah, I'm just fucking this girl.
Now she's copping feelings.
And what a psycho and blah, blah.
I'm like, well, then stop hanging out with her outside of the bedroom.
Okay, if you want a booty call, just fucking leave.
Like, you could be friends.
You know what I mean on a certain level.
But when you're doing like boyfriend, girlfriend,
experience on top of it,
and I think that's sometimes what happened.
and, you know, sleeping over and spending the day and cuddling.
And then you're like, oh, but don't like me.
I'm like, well, then stop acting like their fucking boyfriend, you know?
Just hit it and quit it.
That's what I would do at my booty calls that were successful.
You don't know what I mean?
It was kind of like a service call, you know?
Well, yeah, I mean, that's the thing.
Yeah.
I personally agree with you totally on that.
Yeah.
You can't sit there and lead them on to make them feel like it's a relationship being built.
Right.
You know, you have to be honest with them.
Mm-hmm.
Let them know that, you know, hey, look, you know, I think you're great.
I think you're hot, you know, and I'm definitely sexually attracted to you.
Yeah.
But I'm just not ready for a relationship yet, you know.
And if I ever am and you're the person I'm interested in, I'll let you know.
Right.
So, I mean, it's a tough, it's tough waters to navigate sometime, but I'm really good at reading body language.
I can walk into a place and I can,
usually 99.2% of the time figure out which one would be interested and how to approach it.
Right.
You know, because we're not kids, okay?
Yeah.
That's the thing.
There is a big difference between somebody.
It's a little more mature versus young, you know, because.
We learned.
We've learned.
We were in our 20s and 30s.
And, you know, that's, yeah, you've been through it.
Yeah, it's a learning curve.
For sure.
Yeah.
So I've always sat there and found it interesting that when you walk up to somebody, everybody's afraid to approach the most beautiful girl in the room.
She's the best mark of all of them.
Because truth of the matter is, she doesn't get approached as much as you think.
100%. That's what that is the truth, right?
Because every guy is thinking that same thing.
She's too hot for me.
Yeah.
And let me tell you something.
It works the same way with good looking guys.
I was always a very aggressive girl.
And I would just go up to any guy that I love.
And like, because I was like more forward that way, you know, and I would get really hot guys.
And they would be like, no girl ever hits on me, you know, because they think they're out of their league.
It's the same scenario.
Oh, exactly.
And if you ever approached me, I would probably be putty.
Right.
But anyways, no, you're right.
It's, they have a lot more going than just their looks.
I mean, I've actually witnessed, as a matter of fact, I can't name off the names, but I know some pretty well-known.
celebrities and people.
And I've been involved with some porn actors.
And the thing about it is, is half the stuff that we watch and see is damaging to somebody's map to sexual wellness.
What do you mean by that?
Explain.
Well, it's like porn, for example.
I've talked to numerous porn actors and actresses.
Yeah.
And we've all talked.
very frankly about the sexual side of things.
It's nothing more than a freaking fantasy.
You know, it's just a fantasy.
Because half the girls, if you ask them, you know,
it's like these guys who are afraid to say,
well, you know, I wish my cock was bigger or, you know, whatever.
I'm afraid that, you know, this is going to make the girl not want me
because she's seen these porn, you know, videos and stuff like that.
The truth of the matter is most women don't really want a large cock anyhow.
Right.
They want an average.
They don't want to be beat up on the inside to where they hurt, you know.
Yeah.
And it's also, you know, the porn guys that are like, I have one that's 15 inches.
He's the biggest I've ever seen in my life.
Uh-huh.
And he even said he wishes he was average.
Right.
He has a very hard time hooking up with women.
Now, are you hooking up with these, that guy, like that guy?
Is he just a friend of you or someone that you know?
Is he somebody that you, you know, is a sub to you in a couple situation?
Or like, how do these people come into play in your sex life?
Well, his came into my life through, you know, doing photography.
Okay.
Then we got to know each other.
We did hook up a few times.
Okay.
But he's, you know, he is huge.
And I told him one day, I said, you know, I said, I can honestly tell you, I would
not want to be you.
Right.
Personally.
And he says, trust me.
He says, I've known that my whole life.
He says, I have a hard time, you know, fucking up with women.
And I have a female porn star that I'm really good friends with.
And she said the same thing.
She said, if I was to poll every girl that I've worked with in the porn industry.
Yeah.
They would tell you, just because you see it's with big cocks on fucking screen, she said,
we don't want those.
Right.
We want because we want to be able to enjoy it, not feel pain.
Mm-hmm.
So, and just like women, you know, it's like I personally don't judge a woman by her boobs.
Right.
Even though boobs are nice.
I don't, it doesn't matter whether they're small, medium, large, whatever.
I typically say that it's more what's between the ears.
Right.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, I think a lot of women tend, because I always,
had a lot of guy friends. So I always kind of knew what guys were into, but I, oh, I had a lot of
girlfriends that didn't have guy friends. So they had no fucking clue, you know, and they'd always be
so petrified that they were like too heavy or their ass was too big. This was before the Kardashians.
And I was always like, you don't get it. Okay. Guys like that better than my little ass. Like,
seriously, like, you know, it's really like the ratio. You know, you're a visual person. It's like
the ratio. And it's also, I think, you know, sexiness is always like something that comes.
inside. Like, you know, it's something that you sort of exude. It's an energy. It's a vibe. It's the whole
package. I think it's more of the confidence. Yeah. Mm-hmm. You know, because I think if somebody is
actually, you know, okay with their own body type. Yeah. And they display confidence. Yes. The rest of it
it comes out naturally. Yeah, totally. And then that's what's hot, is thinking that you're hot,
feeling hot, you know, projecting hotness. Exactly. Yeah, for sure. But let's get back to your store,
your stories. I feel like I'm going on.
I will, but let me pause for a second and say something.
Yeah. Yeah. Not pause, not to pause the recording.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I just want to let you know, I think that what you do with your podcast is just incredible.
Oh, thank you.
I think that, you know, when I've looked through the different podcast, I would have to say your platform is probably one of the best I've seen.
Oh, really?
Yes.
Because I've got the real people on. Nobody else does that. I mean, just, I don't know.
You have the real people on and you're also, even though you're not a professional, you've
have life experiences.
Yeah.
And those life experiences make it even so much more interesting.
Yeah.
So I think you're awesome.
Thank you.
And I obviously do this just because I like to do and I love people.
I could just sit down and talk to anybody on the street and find them interesting.
I'm just a people person that way that, you know, I obviously do this because I enjoy it and
it's fun for me.
And I'm, you know, I'm glad that people dig it.
And I think that's why people tell me their stuff.
You know, and I think that's why it all works.
I think you're a great interviewer, too, you know, because you are easy to talk to.
Right.
The other thing I love about you is the fact that I know you're hot as hell.
I mean, I can tell you that right now.
Right.
Just from what I've seen.
Oh, on YouTube.
By torso?
Yeah, on YouTube.
Yeah, yeah.
It's like, come on, bring the camera a little up higher.
I want to see this.
Yeah, right.
Yeah.
It kind of works, though, for me being anonymous.
too, you know, there's something about not knowing what I look like, not knowing what my people
look like. I feel like there's a fantasy or there's something that someone could put to it and all
of it works somehow. If I back to New York, I swear to God, I'd love to take you out to dinner.
But I would never do that because no one could know who I am. Nobody knows and I love it that
way. I would play that card like maybe if there was like a lot of money in it. But like for
now, because it works so much, it's like I just don't out myself, you know?
I understand. I was just sitting there letting you know that I think you're that attractive.
Okay. Well, thanks. But anyway, let's get back to your stories though, because I feel like I could probably talk bigger picture with you because you're interesting that way, you know.
But I want to get back to all these crazy stories. Now, you have dated a lot of celebrities, you said, and porn stars. Like, could you name any names? I have to just ask that question. But that's cool.
That I can't because it's not really something that I have their permission to do.
Right. Of course. Uh-huh.
Furthermore, you know, we're still friends and I don't want to betray our friendship.
Right.
How long have you been divorced and how long have you been playing and have you been in any serious relationships?
And I'm assuming when you are in relationships, do you have open ones?
Like, do you have you played with partners?
I've been divorced now for probably about seven years.
Okay.
I have played with different people that were,
are you talking about from my circle or what,
from the marriage?
Yeah, I'm talking about like since you've been,
you know, since you're not married,
you're out there, right, doing all this stuff.
You're a dom, you're hooking up with couples,
you're, you know, bisexual, you're having experiences.
You're having relationships, though, too.
At some point you say that, you know,
So I'm assuming you've had relationships.
I'm wondering, and you said you're very honest,
that if you have had a relationship since you've been divorced,
do you only have open relationships?
Like, what do you set up in your personal life now?
I tried a relationship,
but I didn't think it would work because she was much younger than me.
And I do feel that, you know,
even though she's attracted to me now and everything's great,
I just know that deep down inside
that it's going to fall apart
because as the older I get,
unless she's a gold digger
and she's looking for a pre-nup
and all that stuff to where she can make out on it,
I don't see that kind of relationship working.
Right.
You know, because they want kids yet.
I don't want more kids.
Right.
They are going to experience things
that we've already experienced.
Right.
And they're going to want to try more.
And after a while, it's just going to fall apart.
It's no longer a really good relationship.
So I try to tend to not be in a relationship.
Right.
Okay.
But so in the seven years, all this playing that you've done, you do it totally open.
You're open to everybody that you meet.
I mean, you're not open in your public life, right?
But you're open with everybody across the board.
Yeah, a personal life with people involved with, yes.
Right.
Okay, cool.
So now golden showers, where are the?
was coming to play.
That was funny.
That happened out in L.A.
I had a girl that was very,
she was just very open.
She was very kinky in a lot of ways.
I remember
she wanted to come in
to the shower with me.
And so she came into the shower
and we were making out in the shower.
Next thing I know is
she wanted me to, you know,
kind of sit down.
So I sat down
as the water's running and she just
put herself above me and she pulled back
and started spraying me
and with it being
you know in the moment
that was the first time I'd ever had it done
and it felt incredible
right it was a great feeling
you ever had one?
No where were they where was she peeing on you?
No but my friend once told me a story
he was like oh you know he was like having sex with this girl all the time
and he said that she liked to like sit on the toilet
and spread like her
lips apart and he would like pee on her clit. And I'm like, oh, like at some part of me was like,
I could kind of see how that could be hot. You know, I mean like it's a warm thing. Like, you know,
it would be like a vibration, you know, like I don't know for, I remember thinking like,
oh, that's kind of hot, you know, and sort of understanding it, but I've never experienced anything
like that. So I'm like wondering, where was she peeing on you? Well, she was peeing down my chest
right down to my genitals. And she, as soon as she got through peeing, then she took my cock.
and slid inside her and started
fucking me. Right.
We just kept going. We didn't stop.
Pretty hot.
If I say so myself.
Right. So you're like always just like open and down.
Like you'll go with things.
I'm open to a lot of things.
There's not much that I'm not open to.
Right.
But, you know, I do tend to, you know,
I'm very safe, very cautious, very health conscious.
Yeah.
You know, that's a big thing too.
I always say like I'm sorry but like because I was always a hypochondriac and like my favorite booty call was also a hypochondriac.
So like he was so down for condoms, you know, because most people aren't and I'm like it's the hypochondriacs you want to hook up with because they're going to fucking be condoming up.
Like you know what I mean?
Like that's that's like the deaf.
That's the person that's wearing the condoms because most people don't.
And so many people don't.
I ask that question a lot of my show.
But like like I said, my favorite booty call was an afford another hypochondric.
And he was like, oh yeah.
Like it was always a condom.
There was never that issue, you know.
I was a type that always asked them, you know, up front.
And I would always wear condoms.
You know, if it was a first time experience.
Yeah.
I always wore condoms.
You know, I never, never won bear back.
And then they would have to prove to me that they've actually been tested.
Right.
You know, comfortable.
Right.
And so I would do the same, you know, I would have a test with the date and everything
so they could see that I'm being, you know, upfront with them.
and I just, you know, I don't want to get a disease.
So I'm very cautious that way.
Yeah, which is, but like the weird thing is, is a lot of people aren't.
So, you know, that's, right?
I mean, it's, it's a lot.
I would say the majority of people aren't.
Now, did you ever do like sex parties swinging, swingers clubs, that stuff?
I'm assuming, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I've done pretty much everything you can think of, to be honest with you.
I actually
I remember my very first threesome
was with a girlfriend and her friend
and it was her idea
it wasn't a good experience the first time
really no no because
my girlfriend got jealous
and it destroyed her friendship with her friend
and then her friend and I hooked up
outside of the threesome
because the relationship was over.
We broke up.
Yeah.
And it just got ugly.
Oh, yeah.
A lot of threats, a lot of anger.
I can imagine.
Yeah, so, I mean, I just kind of cooled it with that for a while.
And then I went to a, I was invited to a swingers club.
And I went there and I connected with several women that were there with their husbands.
and they invited me
to what they called a house party.
And I remember going to the house party,
the host was the lady that I met at the Swingers Club.
And she asked me if I wanted to go to heaven or hell.
That or kind of funny.
I said, well, I guess I'm going to hell,
but I think I'd rather see heaven.
And so she grabbed my hand, took me upstairs.
And we went into this,
I mean, they had the whole house set up for her second party.
And went into the bedroom was their master bedroom.
And there was like three other couples already there.
And it ended up being more than a threesome.
It was more like an orgy.
Right.
But I find it kind of interesting though in the swinging world.
If two guys are bi, they cannot express it in most of these circles.
Yeah, I've heard that a lot.
Yeah, that's kind of weird because I know there's bi guys there.
Totally.
they just can't do anything because it's found upon in that circle.
Yeah, isn't that interesting?
I'm surprised it hasn't come around yet.
There is still a little bit that's, it's still not, you know, as accepted as, you know,
girl on girl action for some reason.
You know, my friend will sit there the other day he's trying to tell me it's because like
it's just not natural for men, but it is for women.
I'm like, I don't, show me a fucking scientific study that tells you that.
I don't agree with that.
No, it's just because it's.
society. I can remember the time period where that just became acceptable and cool and
hot and every girl's having like a girl crush. You know, eventually that'll happen with the
guy thing and it'll be totally and then all these guys that I talk to that are fucking guys
behind their wives back. We'll be like, yeah, me too. You know what I'm saying? Like nobody's
just people aren't copping to it because it's just not acceptable yet. Yeah. Yeah, I agree.
That's it. I mean, I had, I think one of the neatest experiences that I had was,
another male with female.
Yeah.
Was a flight that I was taking back out to L.A.
Oh, this is the mile high story, yeah?
Yeah.
So I'm sitting there and there's a certain flight attendant.
I kept noticing her looking back at me.
She would be up towards the front of the plane.
She'd look back and then I'd catch her smiling every so often.
She walked back and she was going back to the service area.
you know, where you have the restrooms.
Yeah.
And she's walking back and she looks at me and she says,
so are you having a good flight?
And I said, yeah, I said, I'm having a great flight.
I said, the view is incredible.
Oh, my God.
How does this shit happen to you?
I didn't think about it.
Yeah.
Well, that was by accident when I said the view is beautiful.
I mean, it could have meant I was looking out the window.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But, I mean, you could tell that she's like, check it.
You ought to mean, it sounds kind of like a porn.
You know what I mean?
It's every guy's fantasy.
Yeah, but the thing is.
is if guys would do this on a regular basis, they would start to hone in on how to read a woman's
body language.
Right.
I mean, that is important, you know, because I, you know, over the years, I've really paid
close attention to people's body language, the way they talk, express, the way they curl their
hair and look at you or, you know, but the thing about it is when you approach them, you have
to be just totally genuine, not if I can pick up line.
Right.
Girls get that all the time.
And I also found it interesting that girls like to have a guy disagree with it from time to time.
Not in a bad way, you know, but in a way that challenges them.
Right.
And I think they find that kind of interesting that somebody has their own mind.
They're not going to sit there and agree with everything that, you know, they say.
Yeah.
And I think that's just pretty much human nature, period.
So this flight attendant, you're reading her, but I mean, it's like I'm just saying that the fact that she's like getting horny for you, you know, while she's working.
Trust me. I have no idea why anybody gets horny for me.
Oh, right. Okay.
I'm not really, like I said, I'm not one of those ego people.
I'm narcissistic. I don't, you know, believe in myself as being the, you know, the best looking guy out there or whatever.
But I think it's the way you approach things.
and it's they sense these things it's almost like you guys as women you have this thick sense that
you know has bullshit radar you know you have your radar to be cautious i mean there's all kind of signs
yeah yeah for sure well but this girl you just kind of say oh i'm enjoying my view and then what happens
well she goes back and she's taking care of her business first and then she comes back up and she starts
Ask me questions about where I'm from and stuff like that, where I'm going, yada, yada, yada, yada.
The same old normal conversations you would have.
Yeah.
Then I asked her the same.
She was talking a little bit.
The next thing I know, I got up to go back.
And she gave me this look, and I just looked at her, and I smiled.
And I said, if I didn't know any better, I would think that there's something going on here.
That's all I said.
Yeah.
And the next thing I know, she opens this one door to this other restroom, and we go in and we start going at it.
And after that, we hooked up at the hotel when she had to lay over.
Is this a commercial flight?
Yeah.
Wow.
Yeah.
Wow.
And she invited one of the crew from the cockpit, you know, back to her place.
and we ended up having a threesome with her.
And is the crew a guy or another girl or a guy?
Guy, another guy.
Right, because I remember you saying it was a guy.
So wait, so she brings another guy back.
Yeah.
And you guys all have a threesome.
Yeah.
And he's bisexual as well.
So we just, it was a free-for-off.
Wow.
That is like a porn, don't you think?
Yeah, but the funny thing is we stayed in touch.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I've never, as a matter of fact, I still know this, the flight attendant to this day, and I can call her anytime I'm in the area.
If she's on a flight, sometimes she sends me a message and we'll meet up.
Yeah.
So I try to, like I said, you know, read it right.
I don't want to make a mistake and do something that's going to be viewed as me being too aggressive.
Mm-hmm.
That's just not me.
You know, there's got to be something.
You're not a predator.
Like you're, you're on consensual kind of SCX, and that's a, and that's just not.
stuff goes down. These kinds of things can happen. Yeah, exactly. And that's why you really have to
read people well. Right. And I think if anything comes with this, it's where, you know,
your listening audience says, you know, what the hell's the deal? You know, it's just pay attention,
you know. I just think, though, that some people have that. It is a little bit of an intuition thing.
I think it happens subconsciously all the time, you know, like it's, why? It's, why?
people will be like, oh, why do I always meet somebody like this?
Or why do I always pick out that person?
It's like we're all, or how do I know who's down to fuck?
It's like there's unspoken kind of things that are going on.
I'm always like, oh, you could smell that from a mile away.
You know, and sometimes a lot of it's happening subconsciously.
But if you're really sensitive and you're in touch in certain ways, you said you're a creative
person, like you're going to be, you're going to have that skill maybe more so than
another guy.
A lot of guys are just fucking clueless.
I'm going to tell you, you could tell them all.
you want what to do and how to do it.
And they just not honed in that way.
I'm just telling you.
It's, you know,
I think a lot of times guys are,
are very clueless to the,
you know,
to the signals that women are giving,
you know,
women tend to want a man to be the aggressive person,
but they'll give the signals out.
And sometimes they really got to give them out
before a guy fucking gets it, you know,
but you do.
It's just probably a part of,
you probably just have that ability more so than the regular person.
You know, when it comes to guys, are you like a top or bottom?
Do you do everything in your experiences with guys?
I mean, because I know like that first experience, you, that the guy blew you and then
you blew him and you're like, I like it.
I mean, did you eventually like become a top or bottom?
Are you a switch?
Do you go that far?
I go switch.
Right.
I mean, I'm just very, like I said, I'm open to a lot of things as long as it's safe and
it's good.
Yeah.
I mean, I've had experiences where I've actually said no to people.
I've had bad experiences.
I've walked in and met the person and, you know, they were brought in by somebody else.
And I just said, no, I'm not interested in walking.
I've had females where, I mean, I was at a place where a female evidently didn't realize she had a certain condition going on.
And once the condition was revealed to me, it was like, I'm going to leave.
Wait, wait, wait.
what was the condition?
Like a smelly box or something?
Like, what do you mean?
A condition?
Yep.
Yep.
You guessed it.
Oh, she might have had like an infection or something, poor thing.
Right.
Yep. Yep.
Okay.
It just doesn't work.
It's like, okay, I'm really surprised you haven't noticed it, but I sure do.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's kind of weird.
So wait, that's, that Swinger party that you went to that house party, right?
Was it?
Because I had a girl in recently, and I think everyone has just,
very different experiences, so I would just want you to paint the picture of that house party.
I mean, was it in L.A.?
Was it like really attractive people?
Was it like in the middle of nowhere?
Extremely attractive.
There wasn't anybody in that room that I wouldn't have done.
Right.
They were all gorgeous, you know.
And it was put together by some, yeah, some elite people that, you know, they work in the industry
that I work in and that's how we knew each other.
Right.
And like I said, I was also invited from the Swingers Club that I was invited to by the lady that hosted the party.
Yeah.
But I knew a lot of those people.
I just didn't know it until I got there.
Yeah, I think it's important because I think a lot of times somebody, like I'll talk to someone in the middle of the country and they're like, oh, I can't, you know, I go to these swingers places and it's all these kinds of people.
And then people have in their mind like, oh, it's a certain type.
But I just think it real, the demographics of who you're going to find, it really depends on where you're doing it.
You know, like a lot, it's like go to a city or go someplace a little bit more metropolitan.
You're going to maybe have a different crowd, you know, or it's just go to the next town over.
Maybe you're going to see a totally more attractive people who knows, but it's not just a certain type.
You know, I just think that sometimes people have it in their head.
And like, you know, your experience is very different than the last experience I heard of from someone that went to a sex party.
You know, and I do think it's, it really just depends on the crowd you're hanging around or who you're invited to or where it's going down.
I mean, it's something I'll do on a frequent basis.
I enjoy the house parties.
Right.
I think they're fun.
But, you know, like I said, it's just scheduling, you know, because I do travel a lot.
Yeah.
So if I'm traveling, then I have to rely on some other contacts that I know.
And we'll usually meet up.
But like I said, you know, I'm very honest.
I tell people up front, I'm not looking for a relationship.
I'm just looking for a hook up.
Right. And do most of your friends know what you do? No. No. No. Right. I'm very, very, very conservative when it comes to my friends and I'm not going to pretty much out people.
Right. So they don't really know as far as, I mean, and so when you have these porn stars that you're going around, is it something, do you meet them through work or are you meeting them through your sex?
Well, I'm in several different industries.
that, you know, that opportunity.
I'll just say it was through business.
It's what?
It was through business.
Right, right, right.
Okay, right.
So it's not like you were having to keep those kinds of,
you had relationships and you were keeping them on the down, though.
It's not like you live two totally separate lives or do you?
No.
Well, I mean, yes, you kind of do because you're not really being totally open about it.
Yeah.
So you do live two different lifestyles.
But I don't let the, you know,
know, any of the addiction or the hookups or any of my sexual activities flow over into my
personal life.
Right.
And now, as far as the addiction, like, why do you call it?
Because you seem, like, while you're talking about it, it's, it all, there doesn't seem to
be like a darkness there or any kind of issue going on, you know, do you use the word addiction,
like, in a flippant way, or do you use it in like a serious way?
Like, you think that there's an issue there?
or?
Well, I'm not going to say there's an issue because, like I said, it's a functional thing.
Right.
I do know that it's there, though.
Right.
I mean, and it can get dark sometimes.
Uh-huh.
In one way?
Well, I mean, I can find myself to the point where, you know, I have to have it.
You know, like, I feel it coming on.
Mm-hmm.
One way or the other, I got to have.
And you think about sex a lot.
You know, I mean, every day.
sex comes into your mind
at least
I bet you
probably a thousand times
or more
a day
for you
for somebody of your same
For most people
really
Because people think about it
All the time
They may not sit there
And consciously know it
Yeah
But they'll be driving
And all of a sudden
They start looking over at her
And they're like ooh she's hot
You know
And then they start thinking
Sexual thoughts
Yeah
Or because that's
Guys are very visual
Yeah.
Women are more emotional, but there are some women that are visual, both.
And I think that visual people, they tend to think about it a lot more than women do on the emotional side.
Right.
Women can do a lot of things that men can't do.
And I've recognized that early on.
Like what?
Well, it's control, you know, the way they feel about sex.
the way they want to have sex,
the way that they see their lives going.
I mean, they do a little more organizing than guys do in the mental department.
Yeah.
And you guys can multitask better than most guys.
But I think I'm a match in that area.
Oh, really?
Yeah, because I do kind of like keep things prioritized.
and I don't really let this addiction control me that much.
So that's why I said functional.
Yeah, totally.
I can literally go from thinking about it to dismissing it
and going right back into some business thought
or if I'm taking a meeting with somebody,
I don't lose my focus,
even if I'm sitting across from a beautiful woman.
You know, I can actually turn it off
and not really give her much.
thought other than business.
And I try not to mix
business with pleasure, but I've
had a few. Right, it happens.
Yeah, it happens from time
to time. It's just
that both of you have to be able
to keep things in check and not destroy
each other in the process.
Right.
But, yeah, I've had
so many incredible experiences
in my life.
And I think that
the human
nature is very sexual
and it's very important
to any relationship
you know
if you don't have it
then I'm sorry
the guy's gonna leave
he's gonna cheat
you know
did your wife ever
find out about anything
that you were doing
did the relationship
just end for other reasons
because you know
the breakdown of communication
everything
and she never knew
about you doing stuff on the side
she may have had
you know she may have suspected
Yeah.
But that wasn't the reason why we ended it.
Right, right, right.
So there was no confrontation about all that.
It was more just, we just lacked that ability to maintain our relationship.
Yeah, yeah, totally.
Now, do you have kids with her?
Are you still in contact?
Oh, yeah, I have kids.
Right, right.
So she's the mother of your child.
You're still in contact with her.
That's all good.
She has no idea what you do.
You've been seven years single.
like currently right now, you know, or tell me some hot experiences.
Like you've had so much.
I feel like, you know, it's almost like where do you start with somebody like you, right?
Because you've sort of done it all and you have so many stories.
Do you want to just tell me a couple of great ones?
Sure.
I'll take you into the Dom side.
Sure.
A lot of times when I meet somebody and they want me to control them or be their master.
a lot of times after they've done the essay and if I feel that they're a good fit,
then we have what they call an initial meeting,
which is where humiliation side really starts
because they walk in, they can't talk,
they have to slowly undress in front of me,
they have to sit there and put themselves in compromising positions
so I can, it's like a body inspection.
And these people,
are so
most of them are so
nervous when they first walk in of course
you know they want it
but they've never done it
so they have this nervousness
but yet I also
detect you know them being
excited
like I've had women
who have come in and I mean
they just literally
were drinking wet
and I've had men come in and
I've had men come in and
maintain hard-ons during it.
You know, so, I mean, it's been, you know, one of those where I like the couples
because it's fun to actually have that woman that, you know, you keep talking about, you know,
having so many guests that are cuckolds, you know.
And women, for some reason, desire that.
They want their husband to watch.
Right.
to sit there and be belittled, made fun of, humiliated.
And it's interesting because most these guys are of high positions.
Oh, yeah, uh-huh.
I mean, and I think that's pretty much where I get the majority of my clients.
And I get paid for doing it.
Oh, really?
Yeah, this isn't free.
Oh, interesting.
And I was doing this long before, you know, the 50 Shades story come along.
Yeah, yeah.
sense. Well, maybe close, but not too far from it.
But I've even had women that wanted to do a romantic type thing.
They were lacking something. And as I told you before, I tend to pay attention to what their needs are.
And I had one that was lacking so much self-esteem and she was lacking any kind of romantic feeling with somebody.
and she just desired the feeling of, you know,
knowing that somebody wanted her.
I sent her on a scavenger hunt, you know,
and it ended up putting her in a situation,
which brought her to a hotel,
and she had her choice.
You know, there was flogging stuff.
There was, because I knew she had a fetish, too,
and there was a mask, there was gags,
there was, you know, spreader bars,
there was all kind of stuff that.
that I put in place.
But every,
every,
where she stopped
was essential
for the evening.
Right.
You know,
she had to pick up
a certain item
and then I would leave
an envelope
with the person
that was sealed
to give to her,
you know,
and then she would follow
the instructions
and then she would come
to the hotel
and I would usually,
you know,
uh,
let her kind of give me an idea
where she was wanting to go.
And I've had the romantic side thing
to the opposite,
where it was more
about, you know, having candlelights and, you know, having flowers and having bubble baths
and all that stuff. You know, it just depends on their needs. Right. And that you get from that
essay, like, what would always surprise me in the beginning of doing my show when I would talk to
people who are heavily into BDSM was that aspect of it? I think a lot of people think it's just all
SEX, but I was like, what I have found from talking to a lot of people involved in it,
that there's a lot of other stuff going on. I mean, the sex is a very small part of it.
Right?
Extremely small part of it. Yeah. I would say the controlling is more in check with it than
the sex side of it. Right.
It's about basically taking what you learn about them. Because if you're not doing something
to actually give them what they want, but help them.
they're not coming back.
Right.
And they will be there and decide that you're a fake.
You know, so if you're going to be a master and you're going to dom somebody,
you better know the ins and outs of it.
You know, you better know exactly how to sit there and approach it.
Understand the client and give them what they need.
Right.
Because if they don't get what they need, their money's going somewhere else.
How could I just, I love prices.
I don't know why.
I just always like to know the price.
of things. Like, how much do you charge for, like, say a couple wants to come to you? Like,
for the couple experience. How much is it? If a couple wants to come to me for an experience,
it's right around $1,200. Okay. And then I will give them a discount if it's going to be a
long-term situation. Right. It's not. If it's more like a one-off type thing, then, yeah,
my price stays firm. Right. And how many hours?
do they get? And do they, it's like they have to write that essay thing and then they show up and then like that $1,200 is for like in person? Yeah, in person. Yeah. The essay thing is basically given to me, it could be weeks. It could be a month in advance. Uh-huh. I have to do my research. You know, I have to think about what they want, you know, kind of read through the lines of their stories. And I kind of make, you know, I make the experience catered around them. Yeah.
I mean, for $1,200, you're going to give them a good experience is what you're saying.
Oh, yeah.
Right.
Yeah, as far as amount of time I spend with them.
Yeah.
If I've got them, if I've got them scheduled, you know, it may even be a half a day.
Wow.
Uh-huh.
I mean, it just depends.
Right.
It depends on what experience you think that they need and then you're going to give it to them.
You're not living within, oh, I only give them an hour of time and that's it.
Exactly.
You're not a therapist.
It's up.
Bye-bye.
Right.
Just like you, I'm unprofessional when it comes to it.
Yeah.
You know, I mean, I have a lot of life experiences that money can't even buy you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, I mean, that's why I said with your program, from the first time I discovered it, you know, and I knew right away that you told people that you were, it was unprofessional.
Yeah.
I could tell from your questions and the way you conducted your interviews, you know, you.
you definitely had a lot of great life experiences.
And that's what made me sit there and really stay tuned in to you.
Yeah.
And a curiosity.
I mean,
I never have like somebody said,
you know,
how do you prepare?
So I did an interview with someone recently.
It's like,
how do you prepare?
I'm like,
I don't prepare.
I love nothing more than getting on with a total stranger and not knowing
anything, you know,
because then I just sort of go wherever my mind comes.
Like, I'm genuinely interested in what you're telling me.
So, you know, and I'm naturally extremely curious.
So my question just come up as somebody's talking.
So I really never know what I'm going to get.
You know what I mean?
It's always, it's sort of like it's a blank, a person is a blank canvas to me.
And I love what comes out at the end because it's never, it's never planned out.
If I was to sit back and actually write down a lot of things in order, you and I would probably have interview material for probably three or four different interviews.
I do feel like we should do
Because I love bigger picture stuff
And I like I think people are going to find it
Interesting like the stuff that you're talking about like the women
Man thing and like like I said the bigger picture stuff
We touched a lot of that and then had some of your stories sprinkled in
But I feel like we could do another one right where we
Maybe stick more so to your stories or like you know
A chronological thing or I don't know just one aspect because you have obviously so
many more stories to tell
and because I'm unprofessional
and don't prepare, we went all over the place
because I was trying to get the full view,
right? But I just feel like there's so much
more and we're already at an hour.
Yeah, we definitely can revisit it.
I'd be open to that.
Now, do you, I don't know,
like, I mean, do you,
if somebody say someone's listening to this and they're like,
oh, I want to hire that fucking guy, you know,
I mean, if they sent me an email, could I forward it to you?
Are you looking for people or is this something that, I don't know.
You can forward it to me.
Okay.
So if anyone's, listen, if anyone wants a professional Dom who's going to, you know, really take the time to know what you want and maybe give you a great experience, he charges $1,200.
Send me an email.
I'll forward it to him, but you're going to be back on and we're going to get some more stories from you.
Sounds great, Kathy.
Thank you.
No, thank you.
Thanks so much for coming on and telling your story.
All right.
Bye.
You have a great day.
You too.
Bye.
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