Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 485 - Lee Jagger Gave Happy Ending Massages for Six Years

Episode Date: May 18, 2022

Lee Jagger gave happy ending massages for six years and she called in to talk all about it. Tune in for all the details including how sh went from being homeless to being a sex worker, how she got recruited and what happened during her first expense, how many happy endings she gave and what she learned about the men who came in for them, what she learned about heself and why she evenually stopped dian them, how being great at giving erotic massage changed her game and made her more confident in the bedroom and beyond,, how and why she decided ro start teating women the art of erotric massage, what they can gain from learning ho to do I, the power that a really great hand job has over a man and what kind of a deeper connection it can create, how an why women of all ages can benefit from learning her techniques and a whole lot more. To Learn How to Give the BEST Happy Endings, click here: Erotic Massage Mastery: https://www.rockthebedroom.com/a/19628/NbDX2uFT Date Night Erotic Massage: https://www.rockthebedroom.com/a/2147502022/NbDX2uFT Rock the Bedroom Challenge: https://www.rockthebedroom.com/a/2147503878/NbDX2uFT You can follow Lee Jagger on IG @loveleejagger& @rockthebedroom **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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That's what my guy friends call them. And she actually, before she was a sex expert, she was a sex worker. I mean, this is what she did for a living. for a long chunk of time. And we get that whole backstory. Like, how did she get into it? Why did she get into it? How long did she do it?

How many guys did she do it too? The number is astronomical. And that's what makes her the sexpert, okay? She knows how to teach you how to blow your guy's mind. She blows her guy's mind. She talks about what she does to her guy and how it fucking feels, okay? It blows him away. And she talks about how, like, you know, being good and best.

and learning how to give like these hot massages really changed her game and made her feel a lot more confident. And that's a big reason why she teaches it to women. You know, it's, I think whether you're a man or a woman, if you have a really good trick in your back pocket, it's going to make you feel more confident when you get into the bedroom. And she's here to say she's got more than one trick. Okay. This is a whole body experience that she teaches. Her program is called rock the bedroom. I'm going to put links to all of her programs. There's a free one there for you to try. Okay. So you need to go check it out. Those links will all be in the description. So I'm going to, she explains everything, though, on the episode. So I'm going to be right back on with Lee Jagger.

Hi, Lee Jagger. Welcome to the strictly anonymous podcast. How are you today? I am fabulous because I have a feeling we're in for a very juicy conversation. Yes. And I'm so excited to talk to you because you are, okay, like the professional way of saying it is you're a sex expert, right? You're the founder of Rock the Bedroom, which is a place where you help women. I mean, would you say you help women learn how to give hot, erotic massages, aka happy ending massages, right? Yeah, when you boil it down, yes, that is exactly what I teach. And what comes, the reason why it's important to be teaching that is,

because it helps women up their confidence in the bedroom. You know, it helps them to be creative in the bedroom. And there are over a hundred different things that you can do for that happy ending. And most women only know a couple. Let me tell you, and this is why I was excited because I have a friend, a world traveler, a player. He's one of my first guy friends who would like cop to the fact that he gets them all the time and he loves them. And he would always, and I could see the hand movements he would make with his hands. Like one was going in one direction.

The other was going in the other direction. He was always like talking about how hand jobs were the best thing ever, you know, better than anything. This guy is the type of guy that could fuck Russian models for the rest of his life. Do you know what I mean? But like the hand job. Right. To him when done properly was the best thing ever.

And I think like what you said for women, it makes them more confident. I think that. And also like if you just even like take it down to the fact that. Like maybe one night you're lazy and you don't want to blow somebody. You know, it's kind of like easier and really pleasurable. So I was, I'm super excited to talk to you. And I think it is very important for women to learn about this for a lot of reasons. Yeah.

Yeah. And like you said, it gives women a different option. Like I have a lot of female clients who are going through menopause. Yes. Post metapause where things are dry down there. They don't want to have intercourse. And so this gives them a way to connect with their guy on a really deep level. I mean, even deeper than either course, believe it or not.

And really connect with them and be sensual and be intimate, be sexual. And yet not have to deal with vaginal dryness and discomfort. Yeah, love it. It's another way to connect. It's just another option. It doesn't have to replace anything. It can enhance what you've already got. going but some women are like thank god there's this option i didn't even know that hand jobs were

a thing and most guys other than your world traveler guy yeah a lot of guys will think a hand job that's kind of like all right whatever you know it's the bottom of the barrel kind of thing but done correctly it's better than like there's things my hands can do that my jj can't no let's say right they are if done the way that you're talking about because you're like you're not just a sex expert. You have your backstory, which we're going to get into first, is that you were a sex worker.

You gave happy endings. This was what you did to over 2,000 guys. Yes, absolutely. And, well, I'll elaborate on that story because it's kind of a juicy one. And it's not a typical story. So I did not go looking for that kind of work at all. I had, just like everybody else, I had, you know, preconceived notions and

judgments about women who did that kind of work about men who went to go to see providers like that. And so I didn't go looking for that, but I was, at the time, I was, I had a mom of a 10-year-old boy and I had been homeless for a year and a half. I was temporarily, yeah, I was temporarily staying in a hoarder's house in his living room, just put a roof over my head. And I was literally hungry, literally. When a call came in in response to a Craigslist ad that I had put out just for regular Swedish massage, like a legit vanilla massage. And she answered my ad and said, hey, I saw your ad and you look like you have lots of experience and everything. But have you ever considered erotic massage. And immediately I said, uh, that's what the happy ending, right? Like I didn't,

I don't really know anything about that, that industry. And she said, yes. And I said, no, that's not my dealio at all. Ick. Yuck. And all I could think of was old creepy guys who had to pay someone to touch them. Yeah. You know, and I didn't know how to do a happy ending. Honestly, like I, I had no game. Like other than plain old up and down. I didn't know what to do. It's certainly not enough to charge for it. And I was a sexual wallflower in the bedroom. I was, I did not take the initiative.

I had no skills. I was a great receiver of foreplay, but I was not a really good giver. And so I thought, okay, I'm not skilled, nor do I have the inclination to do this work. But she threw out a dollar figure of what women typically made per hour and I'm like uh come again uh no pun intended and I thought okay well maybe me you know I'm literally hungry and my son is you know I got to put food on the table for him so I thought

you know what if I just did this for a couple weeks just to get ahead just put food on on the table and she said I could do a forehand where I'm on one side of the table of the client and a seasoned pro is on the other side. And I just kind of follow her lead. She'll take care of the happy ending. Just dip my toes in the water. And I thought, okay, all right, I'll do this. I'll bite the bullet and take one for Team Jagger. And so I went in. And the first guy was not an old creepy dude. He was hot. Right. He was in his early 30s, built, funny, smart, great guy. If I met him in a bar, I'd buy him a drink. And I thought, oh, okay, this was not so bad after all.

So after that first guy, the lady said, hey, so I'm double booked. Can you take this second guy, this other guy on your own? And I'm like, oh, I don't know. But I had a feeling if I left that office, I probably wouldn't come back. Right. Because it was way outside of my comfort zone. So I took the second guy. she went in with Mr. Marble Man

and the other guy that she gave to me was Mr. creepy dude. Oh, he was. He was the guy that you had a picture in your head. Completely. Completely stereotypical guy. But I was professional and I'm hungry and I'm like, okay, I'm going to actually make some money doing this.

Okay, let's do this. And halfway through the massage, he jumps off the table and he says, okay, you get on the table. I'm going to massage you. now. And I'm like, oh my gosh, what is just happening right now? For the first time, I realized, oh, you know what, Lee, this is indicative of how you are in the bedroom. You never take control. You don't stipulate any boundaries. You don't articulate them. You don't know how to enforce them.

This is very indicative of how things go in the bedroom for you. You just go along with whatever. And so I somehow got the guy back on the table and I realized, wow, I'm actually going to learn a lot about me if I do this work. Right. So instead of a couple weeks later and then quitting six years later and over 2,000 clients, I came to know exactly what to do in the bedroom to take control and enjoy taking control, actually enjoy sex, wanting to initiate. and I thought, oh my gosh, I wish I had a teacher like me in my 20s, I'm now 53, to teach me how to touch a guy's junk. Right. Because then I would have had a way better sex life. And it turns out I wasn't the only one who doesn't know that, who doesn't know all the tricks and is secretly not so confident in the bedroom.

And so I began to teach these workshops. and now I have courses and I teach internationally and change women's lives all over the world, which is so much fun because there's a lot of obligatory sex going on out there. There's a lot of women who aren't so happy in the bedroom and like, oh, yeah, whatever. You know, it's a chore. Yeah. Or they're like, oh, you know, things are getting a little rote, a little predictable in the bedroom. I've been with this guy for 20 years and I like to spice it up a little bit.

And they don't really, they don't know what they don't know. So I teach women what they don't know they can do with their magic hands. Yeah. And how exciting is it to as a woman just like, you know, bring something to your guy, you know, knew that maybe he's never heard of. You know, maybe like you said, a lot of guys out there are like a hand job. To them, that's the bottom thing. You know, that's the least interesting thing when it comes to sex.

But, you know, you come home, you tell them, hey, let me try this. is going to blow your mind, you know, and then you do it and it does, then he's like, holy shit. Like, thanks so much, you know, like, that's a nice thing to do for your guy. Absolutely. And to know that you're touching him in ways that he's never been touched before by any woman or by himself. Yeah.

Like, he physically cannot get to himself from the angles that I can. Unless he's got arms grown out of his kneecaps. Right. He cannot get to the areas that I can't. And he's never felt the sensations that I can make him feel. And that's an amazing feeling to just know that you're better than any X he's ever had. Like, come on. I mean, we all tell ourselves, our ego tells us that we're great in bed.

Right. Are you, ego wants us to think, oh, yeah, yeah, I got it. I got it. I mean, how difficult is this? You know, but it's amazing what, how much people. don't know that they don't know. Right. There's so much to explore that we're not even aware of.

We don't even know it's available. Why did you, though? Quick question. Just a little bit back to your story because I just want to get. It's just so interesting to me. Like, why did you leave after six years? Was it that you made enough money? Did you get into like a relationship or were you ever in relationships during the time

and did they know? Oh, all of those are great questions. So I dated a couple of. couple guys in those six years and they did know what I did and because like it's not just whacking your guy off yeah not what I teach anyway like what you see on porn doesn't doesn't at all resemble what I teach it's a whole different level of care and compassion and kindness for your guy yeah and so so the men that I was dating they were like oh yeah you guys need this you go to work girl and you you open his mind you open his his eyes to what's possible like that's an act of compassion that's healing what you're

doing and so so there wasn't a problem with dating guys that's not why i quit um it was more that i just got so busy teaching women how to blow their guys away at home right and and this was my way of giving back like most of the guys that i saw in my office well over 2000 they were attacked they had a significant other girlfriend, fiancé, wife, whatever. But they weren't happy at home with how things were going. And so they came to me. So this is my way of giving back and to the women. Because so many times in my mind, I'm thinking,

if his lady gave him this at home, he would not be coming to see me. Right. I always assume that when a happy ending is going down in one of those places that they are getting a regular massage first and then, you know, it ends with the ultimate hand job. I mean, is that what you teach women? Is that what you were doing? Yes and no. Great question. Yes, it does include a massage for the more vanilla parts of the body, shall we say. Yeah. But you can, like, you can, you can make a back massage very sensual. Right. You can make a fine massage, very essential. Like there's there there's edging techniques where you you reach close to or you tease his

private areas to get him close to a climax and then you go away and you do some other things. Um, so you edge him through the whole massage so that by the time you get to the end and you do the happy ending, um, bringing it, kicking him over the edge, so to speak of orgasmic bliss, then it's a much more. intense, stratospheric orgasm for him because he's been teased for so long. And so I do teach women to, like, don't make a beeline just for the happy ending. Like, tease the heck out of him. And once he's experienced that, oh, he won't want it any other way.

It's like us, females, do we want just wham-band, thank you, ma'am? Or do we want to be writhing between the sheets and begging him, to push us over the edge. You know, we want, we want a little, like, a ramp onto that highway. Like, warm me up, baby, you know. Right. And don't think that the guy isn't wired that same way, right? That's what you're saying.

Yeah. Exactly. And while we see him go into town on himself, like, he's not doing a lot of foreplay on himself. He, when he's masturbating, we're, it gives us the idea that he's just after the finish line. And a lot of guys will say, hey, you know, I had lots of requests for a 10-minute massage. And I told them, minimum is 30 minutes. Really? Minimum. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Because what I offer is way more than what they think they need. Right. I give them, I give them what they really want, not what they think they

need, which is a whole lot of teasing and just juicy connection. And it's just, it's just, so much yummier if you can savor that dish. You know, like if you, if you, it's so much more enjoyable coming to a meal when you are hungry. Right. When you're, when you're really hungry. And so I'm getting the guy really hungry throughout the entire massage so that when I do eventually push him over the edge, it's so yummy.

it's way better than just going straight for the finish line. And now when you were working, I'm assuming, and this is how you realize that these guys, you know, had wives and they were taken, that you would talk to these men? I mean, did you get to know and start to study like why these guys were there? And then it gave you the idea of how to, you know, sort of move this into a different kind of business for you and maybe go off and find their women and help them.

Yeah, that's exactly what happened. I started getting curious once I realized, oh, guys aren't just after one thing. Like they want a connection. Then I started treating that business as research and development. Right. And so, you know, by the end of a session, so many men said, you know, that was better than like years of therapy. That was healing. That was amazing.

Like for the first time in my life, I actually feel seen and heard. and really understood as a man, what a man wants. Like, it touched them on a much deeper level. And I realized, wow, women need to know this. And so over the course of so many years of interacting and really asking men questions, like, what is it that you do want in the bedroom? Like, what is it that you most want women to know? And you know the answer to that question in varying forms?

But one guy actually said these very words was, I wish women would play with it like they like it. Oh, yeah. I wish women would play with it like they like it. And believe it or not, Mother Teresa, she had something to say about this. She said, yes, Mother Teresa. She said, the most terrible poverty is, loneliness. Right. And the feeling of being unwanted. And when you think about it, men identify

hugely with their genitals. It's called their manhood for a reason. Like if you are not touching his private parts on a regular basis, like you actually want to touch him there. You're not just trying to make him hard so you can have intercourse or you're not just trying to get it over with so you can roll over and go to sleep. But you're actually spending time there. and you're even touching him when you're not needing it to go anywhere. You're not actually asking him to perform. You're not needing sex. Just touching it for the sake of touching it because it feels good to him.

If you're not doing that, he feels a little rejected. When you reject his penis, you reject him. And women don't get that. They don't understand that. And guys really sense when we are just servicing him. if it feels like we're just you know whacking him off to get it over with gosh

he can feel that and that's a punch in the gut for him so to make a man feel wanted make his penis feel wanted like the whole world is in your head when you're cuffing his balls

and when you know like when you're going to town on him he's feeling like a king Right. There's, like that's the pinnacle for a man. So, so, yeah, I really encourage women to make a man feel wanted and make, make him feel like a king by touching him in those private ways. It's, it's, it's secret sauce. And, and I have women all the time asking me when, before they go through any course of mine, they ask the question.

So that sounds really good for the guy. well, what do I get out of it? Right. Which is a great question, of course, because it seems like, you know, why aren't we teaching the guys how to please us kind of thing? Like, guys are pretty simple. All they need is up and down. That's all they need. You know, they're getting what they want.

Yeah. I beg to differ. But my response to those women is, honey. Like, okay, so if you're single and you're dating, here's what you get out of it. Right. So for example, if you're sitting across the table from someone that you're on a first date with, instead of thinking the thought, gosh, I really hope he likes me. He's hot. And I mean, this could get juicy today if I'm lucky, but I don't know if he likes me. Does he like me? I don't know. I don't know if he likes me. I don't know if he likes me. Like that thought trash that goes on in our head. We don't know if we're worthy enough. We don't, you know, this self-doubt. out going on all the time. Instead of thinking that, when you have this skill set, when you know how to rock a guy's world in a way that he's never felt before, you're thinking the thought, oh, you're going to like me. Right. Like you don't know the lottery that you just won. You don't

know what a jackpot this is that you've got sitting across from you right now. You have that much confidence because you know that you are the best thing that he's ever going to experience in the bedroom. So walking around with that kind of confidence totally changes how you are on a date. And for women who are in a long-term relationship, the ripple effects, well, inside the bedroom, obviously you're having way better sex, a way better connection with your guy, you're being playful, you're being creative, you're laughing in the bedroom, you're feeling better in the bedroom. You're feeling better in the bedroom. Like, you may think you're good in bed, but how good do you feel in bed? Are you feeling confident? Are you strutting into the bedroom like Beyonce strutton onto her stage and owning it?

You know, are you laughing in the bedroom? Are you playful? Are you giggling with your partner, you know, or has that spark kind of faded? So when you have the skill set, all that comes back, all of that giddiness, all of that, that spark, that flame, it's hotter than ever. And, And I have so many people, couples, who've been in a relationship 20 plus years, who say, oh, yeah, this is better than even in the beginning now. So that ripples out of the bedroom as well. So he's doing things for you in the kitchen. You know, he's making you meals.

I literally just posted, made a post on Instagram and TikTok all over the place where I'm showing pictures of my guy. pulling out the power tools. He's fixing a leak in the bathroom. He renovated my bathroom. He's building shelves in the kitchen. He's doing all this stuff for me. And at the end of the weekend, I said, oh, honey, you deserve a massage for this. And he said, I swear to God, he said, oh, no, no, no, no, I'm going to give you a massage. I've been waiting for this all weekend long. I'm going to give you a massage. And it was like a 90-minute massage. Like head to toe, he took me to heaven. And he made me dinner.

And he did all that work at the house. And he did all the work. The ripple effects for a woman. And I'm not just talking about, you know, tit for tat like in exchange. It's just that there's this law of reciprocation where when a man feels treated like a king, he is going to want to treat that woman like a thing. He is going to want to treat that woman like a queen, like a goddess. And so women get so much out of treating a man like a king in the bedroom, out of the bedroom, across the board. Right. Across the board. Yeah. The dividends pay for years. Well, you said you went into this, like, you said you went into giving the happy endings and getting into the sex work business. You know, as a wallflower, you were like a sexual wallflower and you were

pretty sounded pretty vanilla. I mean, how did it change your life? Is that what happened to you? And that, you know what I mean? Like, how, like, who are you now in bed? Oh my gosh. Besides the queen of hand jobs. And do you know what I mean? Yeah. So, I mean, now I'm not afraid to initiate because I know what to do. I realized that I wasn't really all that into sex before. And like I would be thinking of excuses not to have. have sex. Like, oh, what can I say tonight? Oh, maybe I'm PMSing. You know, I got some cramps. So I had some gluten today. I'm kind of bloated. Yeah, I haven't used that in a while. Yeah, yeah, I'll use that. Like, those were my thoughts prior to doing this. Whereas now, I cannot wait for him to get home. And my favorite thing is to push him down on the bed and go, oh, baby, you just laid there. I got you. Right. I got you. And of course, he's going to want to reciprocate because he's so turned on and he's just like, let me have you, you know. But I'm more confident.

I'm more creative. You know, like I have the skills. I know what to do with my hands. I know what and and for those women who are okay with blowjobs, some women aren't, but if you are okay with blow jobs, there's so much that you can do with your tongue, with your lips that, you know,

you do with your fingertips, just translate that to. your mouth and blow them away on a whole different level. Oh, yeah. It's all transferable. And so it just opened things up for me. Now I knew what to do. Now I had the skill. And I realized in hindsight, that's the reason why I didn't like sex so much, or intercourse, I should say. I thought that was the only thing to sex. Right. Or play here and there and then open your legs and, you know, insert part A into part B. That's really what he's after anyway, so let's just do that. And I didn't realize that there's so much more to sex than intercourse. My guy described

erotic massage this way. He said, okay, everybody, he said, here's what everyone, the sex that everyone's having, it's like Cessna sex, like the airplane. You're flying. You're up in the air. It's fun. Yep. Okay, that's okay, we're flying. This is great. He said, Lee, what you do, then is you put me in like a commercial airliner where we got jets now and we are zooming all over the planet and it's exhilarating.

And I'm going places I've never been to before. And I thought, oh, yeah, that's pretty good. And he goes, no, no, no. But then, then, Lee, you take me in a rocket and you take me out of the stratosphere. and into the cosmos, and we're dipping around through the stars, and we're going through wormholes, and I have to look down at my dick, because I don't know that it's attached anymore because I can feel it, but it doesn't feel like it's actually on my body anymore,

because I feel like I'm in a different dimension. Wow. So he said, everyone's having cessna sex, and everyone thinks that that's the only kind of sex to have. Right. But Lee, you take me to a whole different universe. So that's the kind of sex I get to have now. Yeah, now rock thebedroom.com.

I should have said that in the beginning. I mean, give out your shout out, right? Like it's rockthebedroom.com. That's where they could find you in. How many different courses do you teach? Is it all like how to give, like, you know, what do they, what could people find on there and what kind of courses can they take from you? Well, thank you for asking.

Yeah, well, when they go to rock the better.com, there's a free thing that they can get right at the top of the page. And I mean, I actually had an experiment. I was wondering if this one thing is called powdered sugar. I name all my techniques after powdered sugar or after food. And this one's called powdered sugar, super easy. You don't have to have any massage experience. Anyone can do it.

It's super. You look at it and go, this is. going to do anything, but then you try it and it'll blow his mind. And I was wondering, is there one simple thing that anybody could do that could move the needle in someone's relationship, like really change the trajectory of a person's relationship, of their sex life? Could one thing actually have that much of an impact? And I was actually a little doubtful and I gave it to a bunch of people and they came back to me with, oh my gosh, that blew my guy's mind. Like he didn't know what to do. He didn't know what to say. It blew his mind. And so that's the free thing that people get at the

top of my page. It really does move the needle. But then I have other courses that go a lot deeper. I mean, there's one free technique, but that's not going to last you for the rest of your sex life with that person. So we dive a lot deeper. And I, I have date night, which is what Layla, London, took, which blew her guy's mind. Yeah. For sure. And hers. And so date night is this, it's a 15-minute erotic massage that you teach, that you learn.

And it's very step-by-step. It gives you a lot more connection. And I introduce something very counterintuitive in that training. You think of happy ending as him being face up and having full access to his privates. But in date night, he starts face down because there's so much that you can do by reaching under his body. He's not expecting it with enough oil. There's nowhere you can't reach. It's super yummy.

You can consume it today and do it on your guy tonight. Super easy training. And then there's a rock the bedroom challenge. It's a five-day experience that focus. on the woman and discovering what she really needs and what he needs to understanding men on a whole different level. And it also includes a life-changing step-by-step-by-step 45-minute erratic massage that I break down, like literally step by step.

Right. And then there's a mastery course, which is everything that you need to, like, heal any hurt or resentment that's going on in the relationship. There's a lot of communication techniques and turn your relationship into a lifetime of passion with your partner. It's a complete library of like well over 100, just happy ending techniques and massage for the rest of his body as well so that you can just learn and grow and play together as a couple for decades.

And that's what you teach women. What are the demographics of the women that reach out to you? Because like I thought it was interesting when you're like, because I was like, oh yeah, for the girl that, you know, doesn't want to give. blow jobs, maybe that's the younger girl and you're like, yeah, what about the woman in menopause who, you know, maybe it's too dry down there? I mean, do you see,

like, what are the types of women that you find, find you? Well, I, it's all over the map. Actually, I just talked, I just had a rock the bedroom challenge, the five day live event.

And this woman from Australia wanted to talk to me to make sure that this is the thing she's looking for. She had just turned of legal age. And so she attended my event because she, you know, she's really new to sex and she doesn't know what to do. So she's like, can you help me out in the bedroom? I just have, yeah, I have a brand new boyfriend. I'm not really sure what to do in the bedroom.

Can you help me out? Lucky her. I'm your age. We didn't have this. We didn't have the internet to learn these. We had an encyclopedia Britannica, like 12 books along the, you know, the wall. Right. We had the joy of sex, which was just drawings in a book, you know, and text on a page.

And my courses are all demonstrated on a real live man. Like you have to be an adult to watch my courses. Oh, okay. So they really see that it's like real live people. Oh, yeah. Yeah, there's no cucumbers. There's no diagram. It's a real live man up close personal.

There's nothing left to the imagination. And it's all very step by step. Like, yeah, you put your finger here and you do this with it and blah, blah, blah. So there's, yeah, you know, 21-year-olds all the way up to this lady who also attended the challenge, actually. And she said, yeah, I'm in my 70s and I'm still rocking the bedroom. And I want to attend your challenge because I got this brand new boyfriend who's in his 80s. He's this young buck. And I want to rock.

world. Right. And, you know, I'm not so much into intercourse anymore. Things are pretty dry down there. So I figured I'm going to give you a try. So yeah, it really, I'd say most of the demographic is between 35 and 60 years old, but I do get 20 year olds and I do get over 60. Yes. It's anyone who really wants to just not settle for same old, same old, not settle for this myth that the older you get, the less sex you're going to have, especially if you're married. Right. Like married couples are just, oh, no, I haven't had sex in years. And that's just how it is.

All my girlfriends don't have sex. That is a total myth. And that is not how it needs to go. It's very common, but that is not normal. That is not how it has to go. Damn. Right. And what do you say to the guy who doesn't know yet that hand jobs and erotic massage can be that good? You know, what do you have to say to that guy?

I don't say anything to that guy. I say lay back. Yeah. And you, here's what I say. And ladies, here's what you say to, here's what you say to a guy. Yeah. I'd like to try something new in the bedroom tonight. You don't have to do a thing. You literally. literally just get to lay there and receive and be pampered like the king that you are. You don't have to perform in any way. You just get to receive. And let me tell you, ladies, men will be blown away just by that because men are used to performing. Men are used to doing a good job in bed and making sure that you get yours. And they're usually the instigators, the initiators. men are not wired to just receive because they've been conditioned to be expected to perform.

So you take away all expectations for a guy. You just set him free. And it'll be really hard for him to receive that first time because the knee jerk reaction is to make sure that he's reciprocating in some way. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And so for you to say, you know what, I want you to put both hands behind your head. and keep them there. Right.

You're not even allowed to touch me. I'm going to totally rock your world and you just lay there. And then you do the date night massage on him, which is really just the tip of the iceberg. It's just the tip, pun intended. And, and, and, and, and, but it's enough to blow his mind. You cannot explain. It's like trying to explain to someone who, who's never had taste buds,

trying to explain to them the taste of chocolate. Right. They just can't even imagine. They can't even imagine. But if you were to all of a sudden enable that person to be able to taste chocolate and hot fudge and sushi and guacamole and spaghetti sauce and wonton soup, by the way, those are all names of techniques,

Oh, really? Your techniques? Oh, yeah. You said they were all food names. Yeah. Yeah, they're all after food. And so if you were to allow someone to be able to taste all those sensations, like a person can get through life just fine without being able to taste anything.

Not really. But you let them taste things. And it's so much more rich and fulfilling. And layered. Yeah. Oh, layered. And so, yeah, you can't explain to a guy what he's a different. about to experience. And you really can't explain to a woman the level of gratification she's going to

get by being able to deliver this stratosphericly awesome experience and blow his hair back and make up see God. You can't explain to a woman how gratifying that is until she actually witnesses that on her man's face. Right. So it's really proof as in the pudding. You just do it. And ladies, you could just do the free thing, the free thing on my page. And he will go, oh, my God, I've never felt that before. That's amazing can we do that again? And you said you have 69 massage techniques? I have over 69 different techniques just for the genitals alone.

Then there's all the teasing, edging stuff when he's face down or face up. Like you do a chest massage and then you reach down and do certain things. There's hundreds and hundreds. Like it's a complete library. Yeah. The things you can't even imagine. Like what? Give me one.

Well, I mean, everything's very visual. The powdered sugar is definitely one that it's a very light, very counterintuitive touch. Mm-hmm. That is super soft and feminine. Like a lot of women, they're like, ah, I. I don't know about this taking control in the bedroom. I still want to be feminine and soft, and I want him to be the man in the bedroom.

There are ways for you to be soft and feminine in the bedroom. Powder sugar is a great one to be in control, but be soft and feminine. And it's a way of using your fingertips all over his body. That will make him squirm, squirm. And I can't do it justice by just, just describing it. You have to go check it out.

Yeah, I'll do all the, I'll have all the links in the description, including all, you know, where they could find you on all social media. But what about single women? That's what I wanted to ask you. Like, I mean, you know, we talked a lot about the woman that's in a relationship, the woman that's been married for a long time. I mean, you talked about that young girl. I mean, what about single woman?

Do you find that a lot of single women come to you as well? Yeah, single ladies love myself because they get it. that, okay, we take cooking classes so that when we want to make a meal for our guy, we know what we're doing and we're not going to burn the meal. Yeah. We take cooking classes. We take driving lessons before we get behind the wheel of a Ferrari. We don't want to mess up our Ferrari.

So we want to be a good driver before we get into that really good car. So we get that training is a good idea before. you're expected to perform in some way. The bedroom is no different. However, we've grown up in the condition to just believe that we need to know this innately. We don't have his body parts. This isn't innate for us. So the single ladies who come to me, they get it that, hey, I want to know what I'm doing

before I get in the bedroom. Right. Like at the beginning of a relationship, I want to start it off good. I was married before. We had a crappy sex life or we had non-existent sex life or it became so boring. I don't want that with my next relationship. I want to brush up on some skills. Or, you know, I've been with the same guy forever.

He died a couple years ago. Now I'm ready to reenter the dating life. My gosh, those are different now. I don't know what to do. I don't know. Or maybe I'm seeing this guy and he's got a totally different. penis and scrotum than what I'm used to. I don't know what to do with it. This guy's not circumcised. My other guy was. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm assuming you touch on all that stuff too. All of it. Yes. And especially my, my mastery course. I have a whole module for flaccid penis modifications. Like, what if what if you're in a relationship and your guy can't get it up all the time? Or, you know, he's had, due to many reasons. surgery, medication, stress, whatever. It happens. It happens a lot. And so I am a whole section

to work with that. Like that is not a problem. Flassapinus? No problem at all. Right. In fact, you touch a man soft penis in the ways that I teach that totally like just lavishing love all over him. It will completely blow his mind. He will weep in his pillow. I'm not even kidding about that because he has never experienced that. You give a woman a soft penis and they're like, okay, what do I do with this? And men get a kick in the groin when they know that they're being totally rejected because a woman doesn't know what to do with his soft penis. Like that is so wrenching for a guy.

And so, yeah, I help women deal with that. I help women with, okay, so if you're a man's penis, isn't very long. Maybe it's two inches. Here's what you do. Or if it's super long or say the head is super sensitive and you can't do this technique. Here's what you do instead. Or you can't touch his scrotum because his balls are super sensitive and he doesn't want you to touch him. Here's what you do instead. Tons of modifications. I have seen every design, every size, shape, color, hooks here and there. Oh yeah, all those 2,000 guys you gave hand jobs too. Yes, there are, it's like a, it's like a fingerprint. Every single penis and scrotum, like all of it down there is different. Yeah.

And there is no such thing as textbook. So I definitely clue women into, okay, so if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're, uncircumcised, okay, here's what you do instead. Right. Because no two penises are the same. Yeah, and it's true. Like, I mean, I've always would go for the balls, you know, when I'm blowing a guy or, you know, giving him a hand job. And some guys like it and some guys don't. You know, and you just, you don't eat. Every guy is different. Like you said, and you touch upon all of that in your courses. What do your courses look like? Like if I bought into one of them, right? So I'm going to see actual video of, is it you doing it to someone? Is it, or is it a couple and you're talking through it or you're talking through the

videos? I love your question because a lot of people are really tentative about jumping into something like this because they figure it's going to look like porn. It's going to be, you know, bount, like a wow-wow kind of music in the background and this couple going to town and it's not like that at all. It is me fully clothed because women are watching this, right? Or gay men who are not into women. So it's me fully clothed, a naked man on my massage table in front of me. And yes,

I show you how to deal with different heights of bed if you don't have a massage table. And it's step by step, very instructional, very educational. It's very classy. I actually, in the very beginning,

when I was putting like women through the beta course, the beta version, of the course, this one woman said, you know, it's almost too clinical. Like, I expected it to be a little more pornish. Like, I was expecting to be entertained that way. Yeah. But I made it specifically not resembling porn at all so that I could be taken seriously so that it wasn't, it didn't make anyone uncomfortable. I mean, there is, there is nudity. There is that, but it's very tasteful. It's very instructional. Here is the frenul. It's this area of the head of the penis.

And then there's this line that the Rafi that goes down. And when you do this, this is what happens, blah, blah, blah. It's very, very instructional. And the camera zooms in. And so there's nothing left to the imagination. You get to see exactly what I'm doing with my hands from various different angles. So that you could even plug, women do this all the time. They'll plug earbuds in, but put a towel over their guy's eyes.

like he's in a spa and she will be listening to my step-by-step instruction on the internet, on the computer while she's giving her guy, especially for the first time, so she can follow along and, you know, have a little bit more confidence doing it for the first time. And then she's following along to my voice as I walk them through step by step. That's fun. That's like fun for a couple to do. Yeah. Yeah. And then when she's done it, she's like, oh, yeah, okay, I know how to do guacamole.

I'm going to do that again. But initially, I teach it in such a way that you can just follow along and just plug in some earbuds so he doesn't hear my voice. Wow. I think that that's great. And now you're on TikTok. What do you do on YouTube? I have a YouTube channel. My YouTubers are going to, like, hear you.

You know, people should go subscribe to your channel. How do they find you on YouTube? on YouTube, if you just search Lee Jagger, Jagger like Mick Jagger, J-A-G-G-E-R, and Lee is just L-E-E, then I will come up. And I have so many videos. It's the same video on YouTube as it is on TikTok where I have like 1.2 million followers. Okay. So I try to keep the videos very consumable, like a minute or less, ideally.

And just, there's so much more to it than just the physical hands-on technique. There's a lot of mindset as well. And on YouTube, I can't show a naked penis on TikTok. I can't show a man's body. I can't even say the word penis. I have to really PG-13 everything. But there's a lot of mindset. There's a lot of communication skills that you can use in the bedroom to make conversation in the bedroom a little bit easier.

and opening up things in other ways other than just physical hands-on techniques. So it's not just the hands-on techniques. It has to do with a lot of communication as well and a lot of mindset, and a lot of understanding how men check and what men really want and communicating that in a way that men are going to really pick up what you're putting down. and really get how much you love them. Like women do certain things that they don't realize are turning guys off. Right.

We don't realize that. You know, or we're touching him in ways that don't feel great. We don't know that. So I go into a lot of, it's a deep well. Let's just say that. It's a very deep well.

So you're going to see a lot of PG-13 stuff on YouTube. obviously. But to get to the real nitty gritty hands-on stuff, you've got to go to my website. Right. And that's Rock the Bedroom. I'm going to put links to everything as well as, like I said, links to your social media. So it's rock thebedroom.com. And now you have three different things. They could sign up for the teaser, the free thing, right? Something that they could do, though, right away. Yes, they can do it. You can watch it and do it right away. It's so simple. And then the other courses, like you can get date night course. You get date night. free when you get the Rock the Bedroom Challenge.

I will say that. And then the mastery program. But for people who are new to this, I find that typically they like to dip their toes in and just enter my world and see for themselves if this actually does blow their guy away. And once they realize how life changing it is, then they dive deeper. So that's why I offer the free thing. Yeah, I want any of my listeners, any of you girls out there, if you do this,

and you'd sign on and come. I want you to come on my show and let's talk about it. I think that would make a great episode. Yes. Right? Wouldn't that be fun? Oh my gosh. I would,

yes, I would love to be a fly on the wall in that episode or even just, you know, to ask them questions and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no. I would have you come on. We'll do a three-way, you know, somebody that use the product that, you know, and have you back on. I think how I believe in hand jobs, okay?

I think that they can be everything that they, that you say that they are. I think it's, it's not, I mean, listen, there are these, those, all those techniques, over 70 techniques, over 69 techniques, right, you're talking about. But there is all that other stuff that you're taking. That guy's going to the stratosphere because like you're saying it, it's so much more than just touch, right? It really is, I mean, I don't know if you'd call it like a tantric kind of sexual experience, but you get into like the more of it, right?

right? Yes. Yeah, it is very tantric in nature, but I don't typically use that word because tantra it means something different to a lot of different people. So I don't typically use that. Right. But I mean, it is something like there is so much more to the edging and all of that. You know, it's a full body, whole experience. Yes, it is. And it's a different way of discovering men and, and, and, It's a whole different level of kindness and compassion and depth of connection, especially to rock the bedroom challenge. I would love to make that mandatory for every woman on the planet to listen to before they ever touch a man because it really dispels a lot of myths that we have about their private

parts. It really gets into the mindset of women understanding that they are goddesses. that they are the main event. And when they really tune into their goddess self and then bring that version of themselves to the bedroom, things are going to be a whole lot more fun. There's just so much more to this than, I don't even like calling it a handjob.

Like it's just, and I used to call myself the handjob rock star. And I, and one of my, one of the ladies I did a workshop for for all of her friends, She said, you know what, Lee, please stop calling your thing a hand job. Yeah. Because it cheapens what you do. Yeah. Because it's so much more than that.

Because when we think of hand job, we think of fast and furious, up and down, whacking a guy off. Yeah. And it's just not that at all. In fact, I tell women, ladies and men, actually, slow equals moan. Right. The slower you go, the more he will moan. So if anything you do with your guy resembles porn or jacking a guy off, you're doing it wrong. You know, it's just a different level of care and kindness and nurturing for your guy.

Yeah. And for your five-day rocked bedroom challenge, anyone could do that. It's all online, right? Like it says it's a five-day event, but this is something that people show up. Is it live? Is it something that is pre-recorded? Yeah, it was pre-record. I've done them a few times, but this latest one that's on there, I did live in March,

the end of March, and they get to see the recording of the entire event. And it's like 90 minutes a day for five days. And in that is a 45-minute erotic massage step-by-step, and they get date night, the separate course for free on top of it when they get the challenge. So they're already, it's just so much. yuminess. Okay. Well, listen.

I'm going to have links to everything. You've got over that. I mean, you have, how many people do you have on TikTok? Yeah, I've got 1.2 million followers now on TikTok. Yeah. But, yeah, you have to be very careful what you say on TikTok because people will report you because there's younger audiences. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You got to be very clean. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, I'll put your TikTok. I'll put your Instagram. your YouTube and I am putting down your rock the bedroom. I tell my listeners go take it and then email me, let me know. And then whoever wants to come on, I'm going to have you on. And we'll bring

Lee Jagger back on with you. So thank you so much for calling in. Like I said, I was always been obsessed with the happy ending massage because of my friends. But like you said, I mean, like I feel like it went in a very different direction because it is so much more, you know, than that. You know, how long could we have spoke about, you know, a quick happy ending. But, you know, I think it's great what you do. I think people should take your courses. I'm going to get links to all of that. And thank you so much for calling in.

Oh, you're so welcome, Kathy. This has been such a pleasure. I've enjoyed it immensely. You're an awesome interviewer. Hopefully you'll be back soon with my guest, you know, that does it. So I'll keep you posted. Thanks, Lee. I would love that.

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