Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 492 - Threesomes with a Unicorn and Swinger Tips w/Sarah aka TorontoUnicorn

Episode Date: June 5, 2022

Sarah aka TorontoUnicorn called in to talk all about how she became a unicorn as well as give tips on unicorn threesomes and swinging. Why and how did she become a unicorn? Where did her first threesome take place? And, what exactly went down? Tune in to find out plus hear all about her first experience at a swingers club and why and how she wound up there alone, how and why she defines herself as demisexual and how that helps her determine who she hooks up with, her first threesome and first female/female hook-up and how that went for her, how she also has MMF threesomes as well as enjoys throwing sex parties sex where she’s already slept with everyone, how good she is at picking up unicorns when she’s with a partner, tips on how to pick one up, where you’re most likely going to find them and how to treat them, her fave club Oasis and what goes down there, how single men are treated at swingers clubs and why she thinks that should change, how and why she started a YouTube channel, tik-ok and Onlyfans to help people, how she recently had a threesome with one of her female fans, the couple friend of hers she recentlyphooked-up with, why she only hooks up with experienced swingers and a whole lot more.YOU CAN FIND ALL HER STUFF HERE: ⁠https://campsite.bio/torontounicorn⁠ and Onlyfans here: ⁠https://onlyfans.com/torontounicorn⁠ *To see pics of SARAH aka TorontoUnicorn plus anonymous pic of most of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I change everybody's names. You could call me from a block number. I don't care who the fuck you are. I just want to hear your interesting story. So if you want to be on the show, do all those things I said before. I also have a call in hotline where you could just leave a message,

a naughty confession, you know, summarize your story. of times when I hear those confessions over there, I text message or email the person say like, hey, do you want to be on the show? Because their confession was so good. So if you want to do that, too, you could call my confessions line. It's available to call 247. The number is 347, 4203579. That's 347, 4203579. All the information on how to get in touch with me, how to be on the show, as well as the number. for the confession line is in the description. So today I have on somebody who I don't have to change her name.

She doesn't really have a name. She has like a title. I didn't have to change her voice because she is out there in the world. She's on YouTube. I used to see her all the time. She is the Toronto Unicorn. That's right. She's a fucking unicorn.

And she decided to like vlog all about it. Blogging is like somebody who goes on videos and talks about their experience. So this is a girl that went from being completely vanilla. to like in a swingers club by herself looking for couples. She became a unicorn. She's into being a unicorn. She knows all about what it's like to be a unicorn. She has tips on, you know, how to pick one up, what to do, what not to do.

She's a professional at picking up other unicorns because she knows what she likes when it comes down to hooking up with other people. She's demisexual. She describes exactly what that means. She does, we go into her backstory, which is interesting. Like I said, she was like this vanilla girl. I never did anything that always wanted to swing. And instead of like waiting for a partner to do it, do it with, she just did it herself.

And then everything came after that. And we talk about, like I said, her whole experience. We talk about the pros and cons of being a unicorn. She tells some hot story. She talked in detail about her first experience with her first couple. And then, you know, all the people she's hooked up with since. She's had, you know, long-term booty calls. and they've been to the Swingers Club together,

and she talks about how she's put together sex parties and how the sex party works for her. It's very specific how she wants her sex party to go down. It would be called an orgy, I think, and she sets them up. Then she talks about the parameters that work for her, how she set them up, what goes down. She also talks about why she put all her stuff out there. She's got an only fan.

She's got a YouTube. She should have a podcast. I told her she's got to have a podcast. she's on it. I think she wanted to do that anyway. So hopefully she'll be on for a part two when she's got a podcast out there. But for right now, you could actually go see more of her stories over at her YouTube channel, which is Toronto Unicorn. But you're going to get like her really interesting backstory as well as a lot of information about unicorns and her experiences and all that kind of good stuff. So I'm going to be right back on with Toronto Unicorn. Hi Toronto. Hi Toronto.

Unicorn. I'm assuming that's what I got to call you on this episode. Welcome to the strictly anonymous podcast. Hello, it's great to be here. Yes, I'm, you know, I'm excited to talk to you because, you know, I have a YouTube channel besides having my podcast. I put my podcast up on YouTube and your channel always comes up. Like, you know, so I'm familiar with you. You're the Toronto Unicorn. People could guess what, you know, I mean, most people that listen to my show know what a unicorn is, but why don't you explain what a unicorn is first? Okay, so a

unicorn is a single woman, usually bisexual, in a swinger lifestyle that likes to hook up with male female couples for the most part. They're always like beyond that, but they're usually just single women swingers. But let me ask you this, like what came first for you?

Did you become a swinger and then you realized you were into women and you were the quote unquote unicorn or were you always I was going to say bisexual but I think you're you you label you should have demisexual but like do you

were you hooking up with women before and then became a swinger like what came first I hope you might have to edit some of my wording out just so you know I'm a pretty blunt speaker but what I like to say is up until like 33 I was a straight girl living in vanilla world never ever wanted to lick a pussy

just never had a thought about it wasn't for me I had fantasies of wanting to have a three I wanted to have that erotic experience with a girl. I wanted to touch her boobs and everything. But I never once thought I was bisexual. I thought I just wanted a threesome. And so it was when I went and I'll be honest, I wanted to partner up.

I tried to have unicorns join me in a partner when I was dating prior. And frankly, we were never successful. Like a lot of couples aren't. And so I ended up kind of waiting around for a partner to make me feel safe to go to a sex club so that we could join this lifestyle. And frankly, I waited a long time. And I finally just got sick of waiting and decided if I really wanted this and I wanted to have a life that I wanted to live, then I had to do it alone.

And that's when I researched that single women are called unicorns, but I live in Toronto. So I was like, all right, I'm to run the unicorn. Let's document this journey. And how long ago was that? Oh, I was like, maybe four years ago. Oh, okay. So you've been doing it for four years.

So did you just go to your first Swingers club alone? I did. I walked in sober. Like not even a hit of a joint, nothing. Sober. I had never once been naked in public before that day. Never. Right.

I even failed grade 9 gym class because I refused to show up with a change of clothes so that they couldn't make me get changed in a chain room. Wow. Like I had a phobia of body shame, all those things that we all with girls suffer. And many men do too, right? Yeah. So it was like almost like morbid, right? And so as a plus size girl, I never thought that was going to change, right?

Yeah. But when I walked into that sex club and I had to like get on dress for the first time and everything, I remember within like 24 hours of that experience already loving my body more. It was the way that everybody accepted everybody and everybody was as valid to be there as everybody else. And I, you know, I saw everything from obese to super tiny to, micro penises to, you know, everything, right? Surgery starts. And everybody was smiling and happy.

And it was the beginning of not only my sexual journey, but also like body positivity, too. Wow. And but you had to have had a little bit of a shift beforehand to have the balls to do it because you're walking in there knowing you're going to have to do something that, you know, like you said back in high school, you would have been horrified to do. So like what, what was that shift that happened that made you, like I said, have the falls to to cross that line and go to the swingers club yeah so funny enough i actually have one of my first videos are reason it's on this topic about what made me walk in yeah and so i'll have to send you

that after but i'll walk you through it now yeah i asked universe because i'm spiritual and i was like me too yeah i'm supposed to go tell me i'm supposed to go right if i'm supposed to just try and date tell me i'm supposed to date right so i was like okay i had a date at 7 p.m. with a man from Vanilla World. And I told myself that if that date is okay and he's suitable, because I don't usually have sex with strangers, I would like consider having him in my apartment and like maybe like fooling around and that's a big deal for me, right? And the guy just was not for me.

Like he was talking over me. He had too much cologne on. Not going to happen. Right? And so I just, I also did have a bit of like a spiritual intervention, like a dream thing happen. I'm going to save those details for for for for the video because it's also a little long-winded. Yeah. Yeah. But basically I felt guided to go to the club and so I went home and I got a little backpack and I filled it up and like I just told myself like I'm supposed to don't here like I'm

this is what's happening and and I had to walk by the building a few times in advance. Like I had to know like with Google Maps like what the building looks like. I got it. Yeah. Right. Like I I've heard the similar thing for people because there's a scariness about sex clubs if you haven't been to one. Or even if you have been to one on the night, frankly, you know. And so I was just like everybody else, just as scared. But when I'm DTS as a demisexual and that guy was not going to do it for me, I was there to get myself some facts. Like, I was there to have an experience. And so I walk in and I get myself there and I have bra strap.

I get down to a bra. I'm like so proud of myself, but yet still so uncomfortable. ball and I go outside and I immediately feel overdressed and so I go back in and I take off my bra because I was like okay I'm clearly standing out here so that was a really first that was an important step for me because I also had not done that before so then I literally went and sat on the couch without anything in my hand no iPhone no money no distraction and I remember the thought in my head just said well here we go like you've done it now like there's no turning back.

Yeah, you jumped up the cleft. You're falling. Yes, like at this point, it depends how I land. Yeah, yeah, totally, totally. Right. And so, funny enough, the very first couple I talked to was the couple I ended up sleeping with like three hours later. So it really felt like fate to me, to be honest, and it was a wonderful experience.

And it was my first ever girl on girl experience. So this is when I became a lesbian. Oh my God, hilarious. Bull blown. Yeah, I like to say, like, I started like a straight vanilla girl, and now I eat pussy like the best of them. Like, I really, it's like not even weird anymore. Like, you know, so it's funny how people can evolve,

and I don't necessarily think there's a lot of rules about whether it's be born a certain way or not. I think I just love this lifestyle because, you know, it allows people to explore without any, like, limitations. It's like an acceptance and judgment-free environment, you know. me to do. And could you just explain demisexual? Because I know what it means. I don't know that most of my listeners do. There's a lot of labels now, but you do

label yourself as demisexual. So just explain what that is. Sure. And it's also a very important distinction. And I would like to get a bunch of labels you've never heard of that you don't want to Google. I get it. Yeah. But for me, it's such a big important distinction that I need mental connection and emotional

connection with somebody before I will even get my pussy wet for you. I simply will not know if I want to sleep with you until you stimulated my emotional brain. Right. So that's just, it's a, I'm slower. I would never have sex with a person I didn't know. I wouldn't let them put their random alien stick in my body. That's how I feel about it. Right. Right. So for me, and I'm a unique swinger because most, most swingers aren't like me. Most swingers are, hey, let's go and have sex tonight and like they'll go and find somebody and have a great experience where I go home empty

handed many, many times. Right. You know, because I've been doing my show for so long and had so many different couples. This was always interesting to me to have different people on because I have heard every kind of story. And just like you said, there's a lot, like, you know, there's a lot of them that they're just go, they're down to fuck and it doesn't, they don't have to be, you know, they don't have to have that emotional connection.

But I find a lot of couples do. I've heard that story as well. And what I've also heard a lot, because I've had a couple women on who claim who are who call themselves unicorns as well and what the angle that was always interesting to me and I think this is what this ties into being demisexual is them talking about like their feelings in that situation you know like and it was something that I never thought of and I think it's a lot of people don't think of these things when they're thinking of somebody like they wouldn't think that somebody like you who's going to swingers club and eating pussy like no one's business is like

going to be uh concerned with having a connection ahead of time, you know, and also, like, the unicorns have explained, like, how, you know, it's really important when you're in that situation with a couple, like, to take into consideration, the unicorn's feelings, right? Like, everyone just thinks, like, oh, we're going to get a girl and we're going to fuck her and you hear about the couples, make sure that they're okay with this scenario. But what about that third person, you know, like, you are. You're preaching.

I get the ex-so box right now and talk about, you know, unicorn rights with a picket stand. Right. has I heard. Overlooked in terms of our safety in terms of whether or not we want to travel two hours to go and sit in your damn hot tub. No, we don't. We would rather go two minutes down the road to a nice hotel that you pay for.

Like, I feel the way that some couples think that unicorns are here to cater to them is very mature. Once you've had a few unicorns, you realize there's a human inside of that, usually those people soften up to the fact that, oh, these are real people just having recreational sex. Right.

Yeah, no, I never even thought of that angle because a lot of times I'm talking to the couple and they're looking for that unicorn, right? So we're just talking about that person as like this, like a unicorn, which is an animal that doesn't exist, right? So they're not talking about that. This is like a real woman with real feelings and how, you know, how are you treating her? Like you guys are a couple and you guys have this connection and you have this foundation. But this person is just literally coming in from nowhere and how respectful are you going to be of bringing her in? And I just never. thought of that until I had some unicorns come on and they you know like you got on their soapbox and preaching I was like oh that's really an interesting angle so like what as a unicorn like you know because you're that person that a lot of couples are looking for like what would you say is the best advice for the couple to take into consideration when going out and looking for a unicorn so in the most concise way I could say it is to look at my eyes and not at my boobs it's just important to not rush to their, like get to know somebody, see if

you're turned on, see if they're stimulated by you. It's not, you know, for me I get really annoyed when a couple comes at me with their wants their need. Hey, do you do anal? Hey, do you swallow? You know, like, you know, maybe if I had a bio, you could read that, but I'm not here to be qualified for you, and this is, and snobby,

it kind of sounds snobby, but in a way, like, I'm qualifying them for me. It is a seller's market for unicorns, if you want to put it that way. Supply and demands, yeah. Right? And just to clarify, I don't mean money. I'm talking about the dynamics of it. So we don't actually need to work too hard to just fit for a couple.

We can just find a couple that fits for us. Right. So what I would say is definitely be very inviting to a unicorn. Don't make them do any of the guesswork. If the girl is bisexual, make the girl hunt, I don't, the guy's going to fuck us. We don't have to climb that hill. I would prefer when women, especially like the woman side of the couple, is the one that hunts, is the

does the reach out or even just the chatting for the most part. Because I want the invitation. I like to call it the gold, like the really wonka ticket. I want it from her. I don't want to be like looking over my shoulder. Does she okay with what I'm doing? No, I want her to be inviting me

to her boyfriend's deck, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's go back to that first experience. So like, was it when, because you said the couple that you first met that came over and talked to you first, that was the same couple that you wound up with a couple hours later. So did you wind up hanging out with them all night and it's because you, and that's when you realize like, oh, that connection is what made you then attracted to them and then wound up

having sex with them and were they the only ones you had sex with that night? Yeah. So it is true. We did end up hanging all night, kind of building our comfort level with the surroundings. Like some of them that we knew, some weren't. But we really did go to like the orientation thing for Unicorn Night together because it was Unicorn Night at a ways there's AcoLounge. And so it was men for bisexual women to go and what's that? Oh, there's something called Unicorn Night? Oh, there's Unicorn Nights at all sex clubs. Oh, and it's the theme night for threesomes, male, female, female threesome.

And it's funny because even just last night at Oasis, they had Pegas this night, which is the male version of a unicorn in other terms as well. Yeah. And so you can even go to a sex club and try to find just another man to join you. Yeah, so the MMF as well. Oh, yes. Where is Oasis Night Club? Oasis off-round is, it's downtown Toronto.

It is an old school mansion with a giant outdoor pool heated all year round. It's a spa environment. There's lots of like different areas of the club to hang out in. So it's low pressure in some of the areas. Some sex clubs are not set. Oasis is more social. If you went there roaming around looking for somebody to fuck you, like you're going to have a hard time.

Because people like to a climate high, relax, get in the pool, have a drink and chat. Right. as a way of figuring out who's going to have sex with that night. And that was that your first experience was there. And that was that couple that you met. And then you wound up hooking up with them. Like, how was that first experience? Oh, so I had to get some push.

Okay. So I was shot at a day. Even though I'm not a shot of person normally. Yeah. I ended up basically in the bathroom late at night with one of the other girls we were sitting with and we were just like washing our hands. And she's like, you know, that couple's really into you, you know. And I was like, yeah, I know.

And she's like, are you interested? And I was like, yeah, I'm like, I just don't know if I can do it. Like, I just don't know. And she basically looked at me with like a certain twinkle in her eye and said, if this is what you want, this is your opportunity. Like, if this is what you want. And it was like so, like chilling that even now I get chills thinking about it. Yeah.

And it was like the universe being like, now or never bits. Like I gave me what you watch. Exactly. Yeah. And so I did. I walked out a little braver. And then I told the husband, you know, whispered to me when the wife went to the bathroom, you know, we'd like to play with you.

Are you interested? And I said, yes, but she'll have to start it. That was good. I mean, know thyself. You knew, like, if this is going to go down, like, let her take the lead because I don't know what the fuck I'm doing. I'm assuming because you were hanging out with them for so many hours, they knew you were a newbie and like this was your first time? They did. Yeah.

And so they were very impressed. They were the best I could have had because the wife absolutely loved it. Right. And that's always important. You want to feel that the wife. at the end of it is as happier than she was at the beginning, you know? So it was a really good introduction. And it was so good that I ended up realizing,

hey, I actually had this really great sexual experience with a woman. And it wasn't as, I mean, it was a little slimy. I'm not, first time I went into put the end of putting it was a little slimy. But like, other than that? I have to say. Meaning she was wet? I mean, what do you mean slimy? Like she was wet?

It was just weird to you. My tongue had never been in like a hairless, slimy place on somebody. I don't know. Oh my gosh. So funny. But like I love the boob play. I love the kissing.

I like the softness or like semi-energy. And I've actually, now that I've become a bit more advanced in the lifestyle, now I actually dominate women in sex and like with their partners when they want it. And it's so fun. Like I pull their hair and like push their head down. Like, and everybody's happy, you know. Hey guys. I want to max out your erection.

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and you'll give shout-outs at the end as well. But you fuck a lot of your fans. I mean, I don't know. There's like 10 videos, I feel like I saw like, you know, this night with my fans and this night with my fans. So that's why I just wanted to give you a shout of like everyone's listening in Toronto. Your unicorns there waiting. She fucks her fans like on.

I mean, you have videos like that, right? I mean, do people, what do they find you on YouTube? And then they email you and like, oh, we're going to be at a club oasis or they bump into you by accident. It basically was that. It was somebody who had, I was a woman re-show. So again, that mattered. And she was so moved by this exciting new thing I taught them about swinging.

Yeah. And she had lots of questions. Like, what do you wear? And because she was so genuine for email, reach out, I answered all over questions. And then I just happened to see them one night at unicorn night. And of course they recognized me. I didn't know who they were. And then they were attractive.

And we had like a bit of chemistry. And I was like, oh, that's interesting. And so then I saw them. We planned to run into each other another night, the next unicorn night, which is just last weekend. Yeah, yeah. And it took them three hours before I had sexual attraction because it takes me time. Yeah. But I still was like having a good time getting to know them.

And then eventually I got a little flirty with the girl. And it just kind of was like the most fun like three person hangout ever. Right. And so people can get the details. I mean, you'll give me some naughty details later. But for that one, you could go to your YouTube channel and they could, I mean, that's what you do there. Right. You talk about these kind of specific situations and stuff.

Like you go to the club, you think you talk about it. Yeah. So this is what I do on YouTube is it was meant to be more like a personal journal or like a documentary of my life for my audience only for like my eyes. Yeah. And basically what I do is I talk to a public audience about so unashamed, unabashed about what I do and sex and everything and the word usage and everything. And I love sharing my life crazy life experiences so people can see a window into this world and see if it's for them. Yeah. I want them to see when I go to the sex club and come home.

I've cried in the glory hole at a sex club, okay? If sex clubs are not all fun in games, there's real hearts and emotions. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? And so I don't want to the image of a sex club and be, you know, tantalizing. I want to show it all. Yeah. And so that they can see, hey, if I come in there, I'm still going to have a hard night one time

or maybe I have a bad, bad touch one night, like whatever it is. So I like to be able to show so that I can take the scary out of sex clubs and out of swinging and that the whole point of it is so that people can find themselves in the lifestyle and fell as if they want you. Right now, because you're so out on your YouTube channel, I'm assuming people in your life know what you do. I mean, how did people who were the closest with you react when they found out you were in the lifestyle, when they found out you out of YouTube channel?

Well, I did just come out to some childhood best friends and I actually did it on YouTube so that I could show people that's like. I love everything, the content. Yeah, it's great. Yeah, everything's documented my whole life on YouTube. Yeah. And that's just it is. I mean people want to see not just the sex clubs up.

They want to see how do I live my life otherwise, right? Yeah. So it's really, it's kind of thing. But no, everybody who knows me is not surprised. I mean, I'm always, that's the wrong. I've always said inappropriate things my whole life. Now I'm just getting rewarded for it. Like, it feels good for me to have an audience appreciate me instead of cringe in a business meeting when I try to make the same jokes, you know?

Right, right, right, because now it's your job. And I didn't let's that. No, because now it's your job. It's legit. I mean, you're, like, this is, like, you're, you're professional. But I have a vanilla life. I have another job. I have a career that does not, like, does not correspond with Toronto.

Oh. So, like, in the world sometimes. Sometimes I have to bridge those by just coming out to people so that they just know if I can just live easier, you know. So my coworkers do know. But wait, can we give us a hand? Can you give me a hint of what you do in your vanilla world or do you not tell people? No, I'm an IT analyst.

I design workflow in specialized software and I freaking love it. Right. Okay. Perfectly designed. Yeah. So by day, IT, by night, demisexual. Only, you know. We could keep adding to the list with that pan on there.

Like, no. You know, those labels when I was on the outside looking in, they look obnoxious to me. I was like, no one's going to Google that. But when you're in the lifestyle and you get experience with all of the different flavors of people, of swingers, of dynamics, you learn that maybe you're more inclined to certain people. And so it helps you identify almost like keeps getting more. But even it helps make it more broad, too, because people know exactly what they're getting

when they come up to you. So if somebody says to me, I'm a sexual, sapio-sexual pan, I know exactly whether I can finger them or not if I get to know them. You know what I'm saying? Right, right, of course. Eventually it becomes helpful instead of just extra things to remember, you know. Right. There's something to it.

Yes, I think a lot of people complain about all the labels, but I see the positives in them. I'm older than you. And when I existed, you know, when I was younger, there were like three things you could be. Like I always say like, you know, like homosexual, bisexual or heterosexual. That was it. And I find that labels, I think if we had them, you know, 40 years ago, 30 years ago, we would have been a lot happier because you felt like a fucking weirdo if you didn't fall into any of those categories. And I feel like there's so much more in between, you know.

And there doesn't even need to be an identification. Like, you don't need to change your, you know, where you orient because you stuck a dick. Like, just to have it as an experimental experience, if you like it, it's like another one. It doesn't make you gay. It doesn't even make you buy. Exactly. Like I played with male partners that had their first male experience with me or their second male experience and that doesn't make them gay. It doesn't make them buy. It just makes them curious, right? Or, like, or heathness. Yeah.

And I think, can I just, can I, there's one secret. Yeah. But men have told me, apparently I'm very, I make people comfortable because I overshare, so people feel comfortable kind of sharing with, with me. Yeah. And my whole life, men singularly one at a time have confided in me, straight men, that they've either already sucked a dick or that they want to suck a dick or, you know, and it's surprising because if they could just talk to one another, they might get a lot

less stigma or a lot less of that kind of weird feeling because so many of them to the point where I honestly think the real unicorn is a straight man. Is there such a thing as a man who doesn't feel like a victim? Yeah, you're right. I'm telling you and I want them to explore. There's absolutely no reason to feel shame about exploring especially on somebody's human body. Like, think about it. Like it's hedonistic fun, you know?

Yeah. That's my case. No, I totally agree. I've talked to. I have a lot of girlfriends. I have a lot of guy friends. that I'm very open and always talk open freely about sex and my closest friends know what I do and they know that I've always been really open-minded about sex and I'm totally non-judgmental.

I could give a shit what people do sexually. I mean, I don't blink an eye about anything. Like seriously, I really don't. And but I still have some guy friends that just like won't cop to it, but I just believe. And I'm always like, I don't understand. And maybe not doing it. Like you telling me your whole life, there's that one time where like maybe you were like drunk or the, situation was right that you're like, why not just try that?

You know, to me, it's a little bit more odd that that's, that doesn't happen. But I think a lot of people still keep it under wraps. It's also an evolution. Doesn't mean they're born this way. Even they, you know, even, you know, months ago. But what I've noticed is with some of the guys I've played with that are, that they identify as hardcore straight is that the more group sex that they've had, where there were other dick in the room, they became more comfortable with the idea.

It became maybe built into fantasy that they didn't, didn't plan to have. And then that's kind of how it starts. Totally. So it doesn't mean that like all guys really want some six, but like I think they're all curious and I think there's a pathway to try it if you dare to experiment

and enjoy your life, you know? Yeah, you're just open-minded. I have a little audiogram of a guy who was on my show recently and he was in the lifestyle but he had never been with a guy and he said he was at like a swingers party and everyone was like sort of passed out and him and this other guy were the only guy standing. And, you know,

and the guy was kind of like, you know, it was his first guy and guy experience just happened. like the guy came over to him and said like hey like you want to hook up and he was like no not into guys he said well like you know what's the difference he kind of like talked him into it but it was matter of fact and he like let the guy blow him and he like enjoyed it you know there you go I mean it's that it could be that uncomplicated but I think that there's just still a stigma for men to talk about hooking up with guys and that went away for women a long time ago like you could sit here and be like I eat pussy better than anyone now and you know that it's it's not like

You're saying that 30 years ago when there was a stigma for women to do that, too. I mean, it used to be just as bad for women to say that they hooked up with the same sex. It's been okay, though, for women for a long time, if not, you know, popular. Like, oh, I got a girl crush. You know. It's true. And it wouldn't have been okay to just randomly become bisexual if it wasn't for all those people who marched for all of those rights a long time ago before it even mattered to me.

And I think that that's like, you know, we owe a lot of those people a lot of gratitude for the amount of acceptance that they built into our community fabric, frankly. About single men, I have to say, one of the things that makes me stand out is that my audience is single men, and it's not a mistake. I talk to men with a level of respect and I'm pretty diplomatic, even when I give them some harsh, tough love. And it's because I truly see the soul inside men. And I even when I was in university and I studied, you know, gender studies, I actually, instead of writing women studies topics, I wrote topics on men being oppressed in masculinity and how they can't express their emotions that they clearly have. Yeah. Because they have to fit into a cultural mode.

And so for me, it would be very fulfilling for me to help reduce the stigma on men to be able to explore in this lifestyle as a duty because, frankly, it's just artificial stigma. Like, who cares what people think on the outside anyways. Yeah. It really is very, just kind of hang up those hangups and move on and live a little more free of a life. And I think for me, it's a mission of mine to help men open up as well and feel invited in his lifestyle, even though they're kind of a dime a dozen and every guy feels that way, I still advocate for their feelings and they don't want to be used and abused either, you know.

Yeah, no. And there is still a stigma even in that world. That's what's so interesting. You know what I mean? Because I've heard that a lot from swingers themselves that, you know, the guy who is open to be with other guys, it's still not even that accepted at a swingers party, unfortunately. So, you know, you keep advocating because they need you, you know. But for you, you know, like you're the unicorn and a lot of people we know are looking for you, that one girl that wants to come into a couple.

What is the top of the mountain, though, like of what you're looking for? Is your favorite thing like a couple hookup? Is your favorite thing like a one-on-one with a man or have like, you know, or is top of the mountain for you also that unicorn experience where you're with a man and a woman, a couple? Well, what was fascinating is that I didn't think there was anything really beyond a threesome to fan size of about really for myself. And so it wasn't until I accomplished a bunch of reasons that I realized, oh, my God, there's other things on the menu. Yeah.

And then I tried a horse. I tried a couple swap. And then I tried a five-person hotel party and then a six-person hotel party. And I actually have learned. And the hotel parties are personally invited by me because I need to have slept with everybody in order for me to sleep with somebody in that room. I simply can't go to a normal, like, orgy. Like, I won't sleep with strangers.

So I had to personally kind of host them to work around. and so it was a wonderful for people but that's my favorite was the hotel parties with groups of women and men that were all giggling and laughing at having a great time and sharing and to be honest sometimes our pussy needs the rest and it's nice to be able to sit back and not feel

guilty because there's other women mouths and everything eager. Yeah. And sometimes I enjoy just watching what was in front of me as well and especially when I had a male, I had a male friends of benefits of myself for a while which kind of took me out of the unicorn like phase for a bit. Yeah. Yeah.

And I really did like that experience because I was able to experience life as a couple searching for other people. And so I ended up picking up unicorn very successfully. And I would pick up women with this guy every time we go. And sometimes we pick up two women. Like we were so successful as a unicorn. I'm successful at picking up women because I know what it's like to be that unicorn. And I'm telling you, make them feel special. Look them in the eyes.

Get them a freaking drink. Like, you know, make them feel like a little shit. those are the things that make a couple stand out for me is focus on me, make me feel special. Don't just keep looking around the room while I'm talking. You know what I'm saying? Looking for a better option. Like, it really needs to feel like a personal connection and for me to want to. Now, the reason I keep hem, or almost like emphasizing the demisexual is because I don't want

people to hear what I say and think all uniforms are like me. Many unicorns show up there to take six men before they go home. Right. There's unicorns have lots of experience in this lifestyle doing like, a lot of more sex than I do. Yeah. And so I wanted to emphasize, I have a certain kind of thing, but some unicorns just go there to get D, you know?

Yeah, right. Everyone's different. I mean, that's why, like I said, I could have, like, 10 swinger couples or five unicorns on and everyone's going to have a different story, you know. I've had a couple unicorns on. I think all of them before, the last one that I said brought up the fact that, you know, or would talk a lot about her feelings and how she didn't feel heard by the couples and all the sort of the cons about it that I never thought of.

I had only spoke to the women that were the unicorns that were just down to fuck, you know, and that's fine. I think like everybody, I mean, I think the most important thing is to know yourself and know what you're into and then, and then, you know, stick to that. Like, you know, you're down for an orgy, but you need to be the nucleus, right? Everybody at that party you've been with and you're introducing everybody, but you need to be that person where you know everyone to get down for, that situation.

It's true. And it goes to show that even if you don't see how you could do something, it doesn't mean there's not a way. Right. Meaning you, here you were the girl who was afraid to take her to your clothes off and gym and now you're setting up orgies. Exactly. And not only that, as a demisexual, I never have normally statistically that many available

sex partners in one room at a time. Right. just it doesn't work out that way. So for me to actually be able to combine six people at a time was very unlikely. And I just didn't ever think I could have an orgy because I didn't think I could do it that way. I thought you had to have sex with strangers. Right. It's almost like by the slinger box, you know? Right. Yeah. No, I didn't get that reference out when you said that. But yes, that's what you mean that like if you, that's the only way it would work for you. But because you stuck to your guns, like somehow you made it work out. I believe in that anyway, you know, just

in life and the universal law, you know. So you sort of set out an attention. You decide what the fuck you want. And I don't care how crazy it is. If that's all you want and you won't accept anything less, it shows up. The universe provides, you know, so the universe provided you a six person orgy. What other kinds of hot scenarios have you had? Have you ever done, have you ever done like you and two guys?

I have, and I have it on video. It's awesome. them. I was very fortunate for some time in the Swinger life to have two male friends' benefits at the same time that were hot. They had nice sticks. And frankly, I didn't have to convince girls very hard. So I would go with them and kick up women so easily because, like, they're hot. They're exactly what you would want. And they're all respectful, like good personalities. And so for me, I felt like I had the green team for like a few months. And especially me and one guy, we would literally go and no matter what, we would pay. And pick up a couple and then after we pick up someone else. It was just, it was a thrill to do this with a partner too. Even as a unicorn, I stayed single. I still had a partner. And so there's lots of ways to be a swinger.

And it's just you gotta just swing how you swing. Even if you're single, you can still be a swinger. One of the most upsetting for my heart things to see is men who refuse to go to the sex club alone and they'll even write things like, hey, if you come with me on a Friday, I'll pay your ticket and we don't have to tell. anybody have we met. No one's going to say yes to that. No one needs an escort that badly. If you can't go and eat dinner on your own, then go and try it because it's pretty liberating. Then go to a sex club alone and you'll find the people that you want to hang out with. It really hurts me to

see people sit on the sidelines when they're the only ones holding themselves back because they're not comfortable to do it alone. And so because I did it alone, I want them to feel empowered to do it alone. I basically have my very first meet and greet next week at Oasis because I want people who are all too shy to finally have a day where they know one friend in the pool. Oh. So you're doing like a singles only night thing kind of thing? What do you mean? Basically, I'm a guest speaker for the speed dating event on June 8th, 2022, and basically

I'm going to be talking about dating. Now, I'm not an expert on dating. I could basically just talk about the crash and burns that I've seen in my own life and give it as a warning. It's still valuable, right? Yeah. So I'll be there to speech. I presented the idea at OASA because I wanted to invite, especially singles, who were too

afraid to come alone, to have a few hours with me in the middle of the pool, to be invited into a multi-person conversation and feel included. And so that's my first time kind of manifesting this is going to be next week. So listen, maybe if I air this before, I'll make sure to air before June 8 so people know if they're a single they could go. Let me ask you a question, though, because the single guy, you're talking about that. Like, I mean, I had a friend. I live in New York City.

So, you know, back in the day, I had a friend that worked in a swingers club here. And I mean, what I remember is that and what I, because I used to ask him a million questions about it. I was like so fascinated and interested in what was going down there, you know, and he would tell me that like I think you weren't allowed in as a single guy. So do you think that the still guys think that that's the way it is? Like I just always assume that the single man is looked at like a fucking creep. And he's not allowed. He has to, he's not allowed to come in or they charge him like three times as much. Like, I don't know.

I mean, here's how it goes. They don't invite single men most of the week. So definitely not on a Friday night, a Saturday night. There's no single men allowed. And even when single men out on Sundays, Tuesdays, Wednesday, Thursdays, they're not even allowed upstairs where all the sex happens. Unless they're accompanied by a woman. Like, so they can't even go and look at the sex, really, unless there's, like,

some woman who would go up and show them around. So they do pay a lot of money. They are a dime a dozen. but I don't want them to be treated that way. And I see some men who are there who are nervous in their first time and to feel like if their dick gets soft halfway through a scene, if they get discarded because they didn't perform, like that can hurt anybody's feelings. And so for me, I want guys to not be treated like a dime a dozen, even if they are a dime a dozen.

You know what I'm saying? Right. But maybe in order to, you have to open up your own club where like it's not like the single man is not treated that way. I think that that's what, you know, keeps a lot of them on the sidelines or not even, you know, there to begin with because they know that there's all these rules and regulations and it's not kind of like very open, you know? So a lot of people don't like the way that they feel like men are discriminated against and all of that. And I do see that perspective and I do. But when men are there, they stand around jerking off watching people have sex. Now, I don't know about you, but that's not always the vibe I'm in.

Right. So there's a couple nights where there's no single men allowed. So every man is attached to a woman and there's no kind of single guy creeping around holding sick watching people. Like there is a different vibe and a different purpose to a sex club than having that energy there. So I think it's not just like a discrimination, but they really are the lowest on the sex club food chain in terms of like they're actually marketing to it.

Yeah, no, I know. That's why I'm like, oh, it is like because I know you're, I know you're, saying it's kind of like your play to help that guy. I think that they need help because I think that they don't feel like they could even get to the place where they go alone because they're not really wanted, you know. But so for you. Yeah. So now you're not in a relationship now.

You said that you had that one, you know, friends with benefit scenario. Since you've been swinging and you've been in the lifestyle for the past four years, have you ever had a partner? No. I haven't had a romantic partner to which I would close off other opportunities. And I don't actually know if he's not either, to be honest. So I'm really wondering if, you know, I'll say something pretty controversial. I did try polyamory.

And my opinion is that I have never, I've never personally see a man be good at it. So I, like, when I was dealing with me. And I just don't think men can multitask normally very well and to have to multitask women's feelings. It's just not something I've been done successfully, especially when I'm the one being mistreated in my opinion, right? So I don't like the poly stuff either. So I'm not monogamous. So I'm kind of in the middle. So for me, I think I'm just going to stay as an independent, like, solo poly person.

Yeah. And I don't actually want the husband. I'll never actually find a legal document that the game's my strategic interest. Like, I think that's, like, it's weird than anybody would, in my opinion, anymore. So I don't want the picket fence. You know what I mean? I don't want those kind of things. So it kind of makes it a little easier.

Yeah. I know that you also have an only fan. So, like, you know, what do you do on there and how long have you been doing that for? So it's funny. I was adamantly against having an only fan until about three years ago. Like, adamantly against. Never, never, never. You know, never supposed to say never.

I said, I did not ever want to be a porn star or anything like that. I consume a lot of porn. But for me, as an emotional sexual being, I don't want to keep in the sexual experience on my side for me. So anyways, I didn't know I could be an only fan girl if I didn't do the things that you're supposed to do on only fans. And it was when I decided to throw caution to the wind and decide to do it my way, not the way I thought people wanted or what I thought they wanted to buy for me. But I fooled what I wanted to sell. And so I ended up selling some, you know, definitely new pictures and some really like erotic dancing videos and lingerie. And I do these after dark pillow talks where I do my YouTube version of something like a tantalizing set.

story and then I go to OnlyFans and like take off my clothes and finish the story and sometimes I do show and tell at the end. So it's a really crossover from social media acceptable story to, hey, here's the kind of shit I couldn't say on YouTube. And so I have a really big crossover of content. But to be honest, it's really just to show everything I can't show in public. Right. So a little bit more hardcore. I also sell like authentic kind of real swing or party sex. Like yeah, I have a few videos I can't sell because of legal reasons, but like I have some videos where it's real threesomes and it's real assworship and like, you know, the booty I jiggle in short shorts on YouTube, well, then you can see, you know, and all its glory with a, you know, a portrait shot.

Yeah, yeah. So there's, there's a lot to see there. But I also think anybody who's interested in swinging, there, you can see Swinger porn, sure, but what's it like to actually be at a Swinger party? And so I show them me getting ready. I show them the decorations. I show them the flirting, you know, it's not just the hardcore sex. It's the whole experience that is basically pretty, it makes it so rare, which is why it's

price so high too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that's really interesting. I mean, my listeners, though, I've told this story before, but like when I was like super young, I'm just like curious about everything, you know, and there was a really great documentary called The Lifestyle. And it's like super old. Like it came out in the 80s, you know, and I remember seeing it and being like, oh my God, I want to be a swinger one day when I'm like 60.

And I'm like, almost there. But like, you know. And because it was just so fascinating and it showed like everything, you know, the good, the bad, the ugly. And I think, you know, and that was like a documentary so many years ago. And it's like, and I, but like, you know, without that documentary, there was like no information on like what really happens. Then when I had my friend in the city who worked in one, I was always like, where do you put the towels and where do, wear the condoms? And he would tell me all these funny stories. I just like to know everything.

So I think it's, you know, if I'm like that, there's other people like that. So for those super curious people that, like you said, just want to know more than the sex stuff. like you really document that too and I think that that's super helpful for somebody who maybe wants to know or needs to know that kind of information before they walk in it's true and one of the most helpful videos that I've gotten feedback from the fans that I've met at the club which I don't sleep with a lot of fans just so you know but I meet a lot of okay sorry well not yet I mean the night is young here we'll see but basically the video they all reference is when I did a video tour of the inside of a wasteous aquilounge sex club with Miss F, who's what the, she works there.

And basically she let me go into every room from a customer perspective, not from a business trying to sell a sex club visit, right? Yeah. To be like, hey, this is where you put your shit in a locker. Yeah. This is what this means, you know? Yeah. And everybody said that they didn't feel comfortable coming to a sex club until they

saw that video and it didn't, it didn't look as scary. Yeah. Isn't that interesting? You think more people would do that for their clubs, like just knowing that that's like a thing, you know, because I think a lot of people have that kind. I know for me that would make me feel more comfortable before I went someplace, like just sort of knowing the lay of the land, what it looked like, what to expect. You know, it's so much more loaded when you don't have that.

Like you said, oh, I had to walk past the place a couple of times to just know what it looked like on the outside. Like, and I totally understood why you would do that because my brain would want that kind of information too, you know? Exactly. And I even offered another club in Toronto. I even emailed them and say, hey, would you like, would you let me come in and video? And they never even responded.

And I was like, people really do need to see that. that to feel comfortable walking in. Yeah, well, Club Oasis is lucky that you did that for them because they saw the value in or maybe they didn't even know ahead of time, but then they did that you would think that if that, you know, that other people would do the same, you know. And so now you're. I begged them to let me do it. Yeah.

Oh, you did. I did. And they were gracious to do it. And I'm glad that it's helped them too because they're, they've changed my life. And also, I've never been paid by Oasis to do anything. And people think I always hawk it. but it single-handedly changed my life. Right.

And I feel like community and the environment there is so special that that's why I say it and present it all the time. And it's, it's, you know, so I even beg them to let me do the video. They didn't even ask. Yeah, that's cool. And, but let me ask you this is like the best place to find a unicorn, a swingers club. I mean, like, because I know that a lot of times I'm talking a couple of them and they're looking for them.

They're like on apps like three fun and fields and whatever, you know, and like, where is the best place to find somebody like you? I feel strongly about this answer. I think online dating is a waste of time. I think you're going to fizzle that out before anybody even shows up anywhere. I think that you need to physically go to a physical location on the same date and the same time that other people went to that location looking for something related to what you're looking for. It is statistically the best odds. I have seen people have multiple reasons in a night because they literally get lucky twice.

Right. Are you going to do online dating? right? I have never had more success than when I was physically in a swinger environment. And so even somebody like you who's like, oh, you know, I need more than just like, you know, to see you on the surface. I'm not just going to go fuck you. Like a couple of hours is enough time for you to feel comfortable enough and turned on enough to be stimulated emotionally by them to want to get down. Correct? It's not like you need five dates. It's true. It's true. And I've had some special gentlemen that I've only known three hours that I was letting your my ass. You're

my asshole later. Like it was really advanced fast, you know. So it can happen. But like it just, I go home empty handed a lot too. But, but then there was another couple that I play with now. This is the one I play with on camera sometimes. And they were my friends for two years before I thought about helping up with them. Oh, interesting. And what changed that one day that you were like, hmm, they're kind of hot? Like how do, how did you guys wind up in bed after two years of not? Well, I remember the moment distinctly because it was when they had a threesome with another girl and they were telling me about it and she they were a little upset because some girls some unicorns selfishly in my opinion might just be looking for a girl experience and like cock be damned you know

right and feel like that and unfortunately that recent went down that way and he felt a little uninvited and the girlfriend was upset because no one no one wants to see their partner treated like that and it was in this moment where i said to them i don't know why she'd act like that i'd be happy to suck his And then I was like that like clarifying moment. And I was like, oh, apparently I do. Like it was simply that black and white. Wow. And then you just like clicked in and you didn't even realize that until you said those words.

And were you like at a swingers club and went down like right then and there? No. So it's funny because we were at a swingers club when this happened. Yeah. But funny enough, I said to them, well, let's let's talk about playing sometime. I said maybe not tonight. Yeah. But another night.

And then funny enough, I left them outside and I went in and I ended up. meeting one of my friends with benefits that gave me a lot of the best memories I'll probably ever have in this lifestyle. And I wouldn't have met him if I had just suddenly started playing with that couple that night. So in a way, I was like grateful that I was like, okay, next time. Yeah, not right now. So you shelved them but wound up instead meeting that guy that was so great, but then eventually went back to them and slept with them. And I'm assuming it was great sex because you're still do videos and stuff with them. Yes. And they've also slept with that guy too because we were all friends. Right. So we've seen parties.

Yeah. Yeah. And what is your type like when it comes to like a guy and a woman like not like like what other people are looking for, but like you specifically like do you like a guy who's well hung or a woman who has big boobs or like this like you know, I mean. For me, physical I think for me like I'm not so much about the physical like I'm attracted to a certain type. Yeah. But it's more about are they respectful. Are they engaging? Like I'm not going to lie. Like sometimes my worst fear. is like having a threesome and then them saying something really upsetting or offensive to me halfway through. So like I want to almost vet those people. Yeah. I'm trying to remember like, can you like reframe the question so I can more answer it. Yeah. No, like if you had a type, you know, like if you had it like if like listen, I don't have a type either. If you put all the guys I ever fucked or dated or liked in a room, you'd be like, where's the common ground? Kathy? I don't see it. Like they're all. But if I if I said all like what would be my ultimate type if I had to put one

together and I could and I could be like okay make him beefy make his dick this side you know like and if it was a girl like how I would make her like what what is your type you know in a couple well funny enough with men if you take the last like 20 guys I've slept with and Stein line them up they're all going to have one thing in common for the most part they're going to be bald uh-huh they're going to be kind of built like the like muscular yeah um I know that type and respectful calm tempered like they all have that in common. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah. So I think that that's my male type for women. I need a bubbly personality. And somebody who like makes me feel like girl, like girl energy has good

girl energy. It's not like I've met some shady girls in the lifestyle that I wouldn't want to be with, right? Yeah. So for me, I'm looking for that girl who's authentic, who's real, who doesn't, you know, look annoyed when her, you know, her boyfriend kisses me. Things like that. Yeah, no, that. That's always going to be one of the questions. And I know we have to wrap it up. But like in like 10 minutes we have. But like I was going to say, you know, how do you navigate the situation, you know, and I'm sure you've had these situations where you're with that couple and maybe the girl starts to get freaked out because she sees her guy, you know, is more into you than her.

I mean, do you typically stay away from the virgins or not? So it's funny. You should mention that I have had one bad experience and I've only had one. Oh, okay. But it was experience. And unfortunately, I think we've got some feelings in the middle of something instead of doing it more distantly. So what I mean by that is it was a male friends of benefits that was seeing a girl. Yeah.

Friends of benefits and also me as a friends of benefits. And we like combine the three. Yeah. But I think that she was more emotionally attached to him. She was more like, in my opinion, seeing him. Yeah, yeah. But I was really, I was attracted to her. I thought she was like juicy.

I liked her body. I like she was, you know. So I genuinely liked her. and wanted to have this three-person experience. But unfortunately, literally, as soon as I got on top of him on the couch, and I started to have sex with him, I looked over and I saw the look on her face. Like, she was not happy. Yeah.

And then kind of finished up. And so we were all sitting there naked. I basically had cookies. I baked and everything. And before the juices were dry, she said, can you take me home? Wow. So it was clear that she didn't have a good time. I felt terrible because I didn't want

I wasn't trying to steal her guy like I was just trying to have a threesome to this day I think apparently she thinks that I'm shady I you know I hate I hate to have that kind of impact on somebody because I really just had genuine intentions and I just wanted sex like I wanted three so I wanted the girl experience too you know yeah you thought she was on the same age it's and now I do not have sex with women virgins for sure I will not unless they're tried and tested that they've seen in someone's mouth on their boyfriends or husband's dick, I'm not doing it for them.

Right. Because that could always be a sticky situation because sometimes that that would go down. And there's a shift in an energy. You could always tell, like you said, you know, that girl was like fucking out of there. I don't know. You probably had a sense that all of a sudden something wasn't right. It's true. And I also just when I have sex with couples, I don't need them pulling couples privilege halfway through. Like I don't want them having an emergency break that they just randomly pull because someone got an in a pinky feeling. Like let's just have a sexual experience that, you know, like I just, I don't have time for that. that. And I'm just not as patient. And I don't think a lot of swingers who are experienced our patient with newcomers, because first of all, they always bail too and like the meetups. So even if

you get somebody you like, they're usually too shy to go through with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's why, like, there's a bit of stigma within newness. And that's why anybody who walks around at a waist is with clothes on is looked at as new. Right. Yeah. No, I mean, I just had two, I just had cat and ams. They have a podcast called Two Hot Wives and they were talking all about, you know, really they just were going into details of what really goes down in a swingers club and a swingers cruise at a swingers resort but you know and she was saying like you know there's certain places where you can be you know have your clothes on and people are going to be super open and cool with you but i guess that's always the big tell that that person is kind of new and i would think if you're somebody like you

who's you know been doing it for a while and you just you know want to do what you want to do you would maybe steer more towards the people who are doing this a long time because it's mostly the newer ones you have those kinds of rules and regulations that are going on. And that's, that's okay. You know, that's how I think that they should navigate it in the beginning. And, you know, but eventually, you know, most of the time, the successful ones I hear about are the ones that all those kind of rules and regulations go out the window once you're, you know, you cross the eyes and doing it.

Right? I like to call it like artificial, like red tape that they build around. Yeah. We, it's, it's really obnoxious to me. And I hate to use that word, but that's how powerful I feel about it. It's obnoxious when a couple says to me, there's no kissing. I want to say fuck you because if I put their dick in my mouth, I should be allowed to touch their mouth. And I just don't need their emotional insecurities in sex.

And so for me, the only people I play with, and luckily so far I haven't had anything except for that one experience, there's no issue. They're so happy to fuck me that it makes me happy. Like, it just is so different than that. And I think the rules are good maybe for people to feel comfortable at the beginning. But they're also not going to attract people who want to play with them if they have a, the rules people have to remember. Yeah. No, I think it's hard. But I think like, listen, you sound like the type of person because like I said, and I'll bring it back to the beginning of this conversation when, you know, here you were this person who was like very vanilla, you know,

very body conscious and, you know, and then one minute later, you know, or at some point in your life there was this shift and you're at a swingers club by yourself. Like by your fucking self doing this stuff. So you seem like the type that it's like you're either in or out. You know, it's like black or white. Like you like you're there. You jump up. off the thing, you know, and I think that some people, a lot of other people aren't like that. I think majority of people tend to like to go in slowly. They're not just going jump in the water, you know. So I just think it's a different kind of personality type. I think it makes sense just talking to you that that's the way you do it and how you would have like impatience for the people that are walking in

slowly. But I think that the reality is that a lot of people don't roll like that. And so for them, they do it. But when I talked to a couple that did start out that way, what I find with the successful ones and the people who are still doing it is like they put all that up because they think that they need it. But once they start to do it and if it's right for them, like they realize they don't need that really fast, actually, those rules go away really fast. But a lot of times they set it up in the beginning because they don't really know what to expect. And maybe there's more to lose for them because they're in a couple and they have more to navigate. You're like sort of solo. You're ruling your world. So, you have less? I don't know. But like I get though why you would not want to play with that couple. You know what I'm saying? And maybe beginning I would, right? But now that I'm experienced, I experience people

look for experienced people for the most part. Even if on reliability factor alone. I will say this, you don't have to jump in to a sex club. You can show up your partner or alone and not have sex with anybody and make that arrangement beforehand. Lots of people

come to stay in the surroundings to see it excites them. So people don't have to come to a sex club and be a swinger overnight the way I did. The great thing about you is that you did do it that way and you're doing it because you're somebody who like I think, you know, not everyone needs a megaphone and not everyone needs to be out there teaching people, you know, but you are one of those people and this is what you took on for yourself.

And I think it's great that you're that kind of person because now here you are on YouTube, on TikTok, on only fans, really they're teaching people about the lifestyle. you have videos that people could see like what the what the places look like inside they could see you know they could go to the beginning and see you know who you were at the beginning of this because you've been doing this since day one right

all these vlogs and video blogs and everything right? Yeah oh I even documented the stories that I've told you about the girl getting upset I documented freshly after the sex I take the video when I talk about it right I do so raw like I was pissed

like I literally take them with me through my life. Right. And I really, I never meant you, but it was a COVID hobby. It was a lockdown, you know, it was a hobby that I built up just to get through that lockdown phase. And that's why I never expected to do this. I just, I had a video go viral. And then a bunch of people were like, oh my God, what's swinging? And I was like, here comes like a career I wasn't expecting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think that that's great. I know we have to end soon, but I wanted to say one of the most, I meet a lot of fans at Oasis now and I love it when they come up and say like what it is that touch them. Yeah. And I have to say one of them moved me to tears almost and it might even today.

Yeah. It was a woman because I don't get a lot of women fans. Yeah. She was, she said she introduced herself and she said that she saw me at a sex club. She was standing in front of me and she looked like she was looking at Beyonce and I was like, oh God, like this is so interesting. Yeah. Oh my God. Like you're that girl from the internet. She's like, you didn't have sex for 10 years because I wrote a video, I did a video about how I did a 10 year absence of sex. And she's like, I saw that. Like it made me believe that I could come back and get my sexual power back too. And she's like, and that's why I'm here. Wow. Looking at her in the face and I saw somebody standing in a sex club with so much enthusiasm and I saw, oh my God, I'm helping people. Like, I'm not just giving dirty details about

my sex. I'm actually helping people. Yes. Yeah, I got the chills when you said that. Listen, that's why I started my show because I'm like, I do help people and I love that. And, you know, and that's what I'm in it for. And I think a lot of people could just look on the surface and be like, like you said, oh, it's just, you're just giving dirty details or people I think, oh, they look up the titles of my show. It's like, oh, dirty sex show. But no, at the end of the day, we are helping people. We love it. We're doing it in this way.

You're doing it. Please give shoutouts to everything. I'll make sure to link. I can't link to your only fans in YouTube because I got fucking block for putting someone's only fans in there. But like, give your shout out to your only fans. I'll link to my YouTube. You know, I mean, I'll link to your YouTube, your Toronto Unicorn. Give out your shoutouts for everything.

Yeah, so basically trony unicorn.com has all of my links there. They just keep cutting, like deleting my TikToks and stuff. So it's always best to go there to find my most current one. Okay, cool. Or YouTube basically is just the trunicornian. And it's all one word. And it's all one word. It's all one word.

It's all one word. Like Oasis, I think I show up as well. So Toronto Unicorn all one word. All right. Awesome. You were the best. I loved talking to you. I really hope a lot of people go and check out yourself.

I really think that they would. will because I think that your story is super fascinating and they're going to get, I mean, I feel like I could have talked to you for 10 more years when you just like you just threw out there like, you didn't have any sex for 10 years and then like you really are that person like one extreme to the other. But, you know, so you're super interesting. People could get even more information of you because you have all those videos on YouTube for them to say and get like, you know, more specific story. So thank you so much for calling in and sharing everything with my listeners. Yeah. And if you ever want to chat again, especially about, you know, my 10 year abstinence

and what it was like to get fucked for the first time. I'd be happy to come back. Yeah, you're definitely coming back. You're definitely coming back. Start your podcast. Start a podcast. And then I'll have you on. You'll do a part two and we'll fucking promote your podcast for sure.

I would love to. I would love to. Maybe about being the podcaster yourself, right? So we can chat about that. For sure. All right. Cool. All right.

Thank you. Thank you. Toronto Unicorn. I'm calling you that. That's like what I call you. Right. You don't have a name, right? You're Toronto.

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