Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 493 - Mikhail is Cheating on his Wife with High End Escorts, Married Men and More

Episode Date: June 8, 2022

Mikkail is cheating on his wife with his end escorts, married men and more and he called in to talk all about it. When did he start cheating? Who does he cheat with? And, has he ever had an emotional affair as well? Tun in for all the details including why he’s never had a monogamous relationship, how his cheating gives him a rush that he enjoys and can’t live without, when he realized he had a foot fetish, how he stumbled upon his first adult bookstore and wound up in a gloryhole, how far he went in the gloryhole, his experience picking up a trans prostitute and how hot that experience was, how he met men through Craigslist and how most of them were married, what he enjoys doing with the men he hooks up with, his hook-ups with random women while traveling for work, the married guy who lives in his building who he fools around with and a whole lot more. To hear his groping his wife's best friend video and my view of that whole scenerio, click here: https://youtu.be/9UQS4k_cPaA **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Pantio's fetish because he joined that tier in my Patreon, but it turned out he has a lot of other stuff going on, okay? And he was a great guest. He is a great guest in that this guy just got on, had a whole chronological order story that he told with all of the good stuff in there. I cut him off a couple times, which I didn't have to, and I shouldn't have probably. He could have just, you know, ran with it, but I had a couple questions, but really starts off like this is a guy who, yeah, he cheats a lot, like most of the stuff that he has done, he has done while he's been in full-fledged relationships. But if he did this stuff even without cheating, it would be super interesting because, you know, he started out like a young guy, you know, going to adult bookstores and, you know,

what he found there and what he got into, like glory holes and like sucking a dick and with, you know, and having his dick sucked by a guy. So it's like guy on guy action when he was super young and that continued and then even when he was in relationships he started to cheat with women cheat with men he went on to craigslist and you know in that kind of pattern and he calls it a pattern sort of followed him wherever he went he was in a profession where he wound up living in like every city you could really think of and he talks about all the naughty experiences he had through craigslist the male-on-mail hookups the married men the high-end escorts the and the and the city you could really think of and he talked of all the naughty experiences he had through craigslist the male-on hookups, the married men, the high-end escorts, the

and the affairs. A couple times he got a little bit too involved. One's with a high-end escorts. One with a woman. And you wouldn't believe who he's kind of fucking now behind his wife's back. I mean, it's like a guy and he's married and it's in his building. Okay? He lives in New York City and he's like having a fair, not an affair, just like, you know, a hookup situation. All on the deal with a guy. he gets specific about all that stuff. It's a super interesting story. So I'm going to get right to it and be right back on with McHale.

Hey, Mikel, welcome to the Strictly Anonymous Podcasts. How are you today? I am well, thank you. Well, listen, I know you from my Patreon. You're a Patreon. I feel like I know you well because you chat a lot with me. You DM me pictures a lot to share on my Patreon.

Follow me on Instagram. And then, like I said, you became a Patreon, what I call a hoser, a guy that has a Paniho's Fetish. I think that your Panyos Fetish really stems from a foot fetish. Maybe that's more in line. It's more with footleg fetish. Yeah, there also is, I have to say, and let me know if I can't say this and I'll edit it out. But you did also submit a confession to me once, which made it to YouTube because I was like,

oh, like this is like an interesting confession that maybe people like to hear. because, like, you know, you have this whole little thing that it goes on where you, like, kind of very much flirt, like touchy-feely kind of stuff, but a little hardcore with your wife's best friend. And then I know another thing about you is you have to have maybe some discreet male-on-male encounters. Correct? Am I correct with all that stuff? Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, definitely have like a way past, like, friendly, flirty relationship with my wife's friend. we've never had intercourse, we've never had sex, but we do have this thing where we've, like,

groped each other, you know, going back a while, you know? It's like, it's like a 10-year-plus thing, and I don't really know what to make of it. Yeah, I mean, I told you, you know, I called into your confession and listened to the notes and stuff, and it basically just boils down to the fact that it's, like, two kids being really naughty and it's really hot, and there's a risk-reward thing to it, which I think plays into a lot of, like, I don't want to say abnormal behavior, but, like, outside the, normal realm of, you know, sexuality. I think a lot of like risk reward, adrenaline-type rewards plays into a lot of the behavior

that I do, which I know. I absolutely know it does. So, yeah, I definitely have that. Definitely have a really strong foot fetish. And I think I'm, you know, the hosier content and stuff I like and I enjoy, I'm definitely swimming against stream on a lot of storial choices that, uh, uh, why? Because maybe you don't wear or they wear and you don't?

Or what, what is it? I definitely don't wear. Yeah. I would trade and don't partake in that fetish. But also, I just have a very specific, you know, because my fetish is centered around legs and feet and how it accentuates those, my fetish is more towards like, you know, how does stockings most accentuate a pair of really nice legs or like high arched feet? Whereas I think for a lot of the hosers, the majority of them, the fetish is centered on in the actual

piece of clothing and the wearer or the, you know, The attributes of whoever is wearing them is secondary. For me, it's the opposite. Like, if I'm not attracted to someone I don't find their legs or their feet attractive, then I'm really not interested in the hosury. Like, it might catch my eye because I do, you know, like the look and aesthetic of it. But, you know, I don't remain attracted to or interested in someone who I don't find attractive wearing hosiery just because they're wearing hosiery.

Yeah, yeah. Let me ask you this, though, because the third other thing that we are going to discuss is you know, some male on male encounters. Now, does that tie into the feet panty hose thing? Like, I mean, is it, are you meeting those guys through that fetish? Or does that a totally separate thing that's more connected to that adrenaline, you know, high that you get from doing naughty things? Yeah, it's definitely connected to the adrenaline.

Yeah. Absolutely zero crossover. I mean, I do like cross-stressers, but got to be, like, super feminine and petite. And I do like enjoy that aspect But I don't have a foot finish When it comes to men And with the trans thing You know that's a growing fetish for me

I don't even want to say it's a fetish It's a growing attraction for me Yeah Not really sure where it's rooted But it's always kind of been there I remember the first time I saw cross-dresser Well not the first time But the first thing is sort of real exposure

I'm being like wow I'm kind of into them You know high school I think I was watching a John Waters movie Uh huh You know Yeah And so that again is a burgeoning attraction.

And then, yeah, the male-mail hookup thing is, I think, very much plays into the adrenaline of getting away, getting away with something I shouldn't be doing, getting away with something is. And by thinking I shouldn't be doing, I mean, just getting away with something I'm not out. I'm not out as bisexual. I don't identify as bisexual. And you're married. I'm married. Yeah, right, right. So that's what I'm saying.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's what I'm saying. So that's really what is wrong, right? It's cheating, whether it's the man or a woman. Let me ask you this real quick. Do you also cheat on your wife with women or just women? Yeah, I'm a total, in terms of that type of stuff, when it comes to, like, relationships, I'm a total slime ball. Have been the entire thing.

I admit that. I love how odd is you are. Yeah, I mean. Straight up. Yeah, I admit, I've never, I've never had a monogamous relationship going back to, like, my first girlfriend in high school. Right, never one. I couldn't put my finger on it, you know. I've talked to therapists about it.

and there's any number of diagnoses from sexual addiction to like, you know, repression and the Catholic guilt of, you know, growing up in a Catholic household, all of that sort of stuff plays into it, absolutely. Yeah. But, you know, at the end of the day, I'm just kind of like a hornball and I always have been. Maybe you just are wired to like variety and because you grew up in a different generation. Maybe like, you know, it's like the wrong generation for you because probably if you were, you know, if you were 20 now, you'd be able to be you. without anyone trying to diagnose you

because you just be like, yeah, I want to have a relationship with someone, but like let's fuck other people or like I just want variety, you know, because I think that that's more acceptable and there are people that are wired that way and that's okay, but not when you're in a relationship where you're claiming to be benonged,

but I wonder like, because the sexes that you get, you know, is kind of attached to like an adrenaline rush. If your wife, like if I just like propose this scenario to you, If your wife was like, you know what, let's fucking open it up. Like, go fuck somebody else. You know what I mean? And come home and tell me about it.

Like, would that be as hot to you? Or do you need, you know what I mean? Yeah, no, I tell you what you're saying. You know, that's kind of an abstract for me. And I thought about it. And I don't know the answer to that, to be perfectly honest with you. Yeah. Part of me does kind of want to share.

And, yeah, you know, especially because, you know, there's sometimes that, like, I'll meet somebody and be like, wow, you know what? I think she'd actually really go on with me. my wife. Home is there's common personality traits and I think they'd get along. I don't necessarily want to open up and have like orgies with my wife or have like three or whatever. And the other thing too is I don't have any real particular emotional attachment to sex.

Like being intimate with somebody for the first time and a relationship or whatever. That is not for me a real like high watermark where like suddenly you know, we're like that much closer. Like I become much more close to someone through just normal everyday physical touch. and emotional sharing and really gregarious naturally. And so I become much more close to people that way. Sex for me is kind of like, you know, fun, love doing it, can't get enough of it, but like not the most emotional thing. Like I don't have these emotional attachments to sex.

Right, but do you have emotional attachments? Do you ever besides like the sexual things that you do behind your wife's back? Do you also have like emotional affairs with these people that you're holding up with? So yes and no. I generally have a lot of random hookups. You know, my outside activities, my outside of marriage activities are generally centered around escorts for numerous reasons. So there, no, although there is a story that we can get it to later about an actual, like, relationship that developed between me and escort I was seeing. That went beyond the scope of like, you know, client and escort.

It's a whole thing. But beyond that, no. You know, it tends to be pretty random. Are the experts, women or men? Or both. Yeah. Cross the board. You know, I think, you know, several days, like the 10 years,

or the 12 years that my wife and I had been together, I have had one affair with someone who was, where it was really getting, like, emotional. And I ended that because it was just getting a little too. Too much, right? Yeah, I was getting too interconnected with, like, my daily life. It was too much. We're like, I felt that she, the person I was,

was having me affair with. She deserved more from me, and I was never going to give it to build up, provide that because, you know, at the end of the day, I still really love my wife. I love her merit of the life we have together. I just have this thing outside of it where it's like, part of it's like the general adrenaline junkie, a lot of its impulse control, you know. Some people do like, you know, overeating. Some people go on these spending sprees.

I will, you know, my wife's out of town, we'll go and see like three or four prostitutes or have a mutual random hookups. Like that's my stepping. That's your high. Yeah, that's my adrenaline high. That's my, you know. That's your fix. Yeah.

Yeah. That doesn't heroin, I guess. Yeah. Well, I don't think your wife would agree, but for you, yeah, maybe. You know, I mean, listen, I think anything that you're using like that, it could be, you know, it's no, one person is no different than the other person. I think whatever you choose is, you know, depends on sort of how you're made up. but I think the person that needs something, whether it's a shopping or thing,

underneath whatever that is, is the same thing. Can I ask you a question? Because I always feel like, you know, a lot of times a woman or even a man, if you're with somebody who's like totally living a double life, sometimes like, you know, the woman or the other person is sensing something and they act a little nutty or there is distrust there, but they don't really know.

And then sometimes you hear about a situation like this and a couple like this where the one person is, is leading a very double life. And the other person has not one fucking clue. And you're kind of like ignorance is bliss, you know? But like, which one is your wife? Is she like kind of distrustful and she doesn't know? Or does she just, would she be floored that this is who you are, you know, on the D.L?

Yeah, so she would be floored because I am pretty open and honest about things. Right. You know, she, I joke about things and I'm thoroughly gen X and my wife is not. And so she has some time issues with, like, humor and some things that I find funny, but I'm very open about. And, you know, we, look, we live in Manhattan. And, you know, we're both in creative fields. And so we have, like, open, honest conversations with our friends just by nature of who they are. You know, we're friends with a lot of people who are outside the box of what would be considered

Yeah, yeah, New York City, right, of course, yeah. Yeah, I mean, you know exactly the view. Yeah, I live here, yeah. And I know exactly the type of couple we are. You know, my wife's in a very creative field and that is associated with fashion. So tons of gay friends. You know, I am same deal. I'm in another creative field, really open, you know, artistic type people, a lot of whom are gay.

So we just have like these open conversations all the time. And we joke about things. But I think my one would be totally floored if, like, she found out, the full extent of my obedience. If she's not the full extent of like what it is I actually enjoy doing. So, you know, at the same time,

I think she'd probably be like, yeah, I should have seen that coming. Does she know about, let's get into a little bit about your foot fattish and, you know, your host fash for her. She's totally not about my fudish.

Oh, okay, cool. So did you put that, you know, out there straight up in the beginning of a relationship? Is she still down with it 12 years later? Yeah,

absolutely, because she gets foot reps out of it. So she's totally, you know, at first I was something that was a little new to her. I mean, you know, I met her when she was in her mid-20s. So she was kind of like, oh, you know, yeah, I knew that some guys are like into feet. Just didn't know the full extent of it. But it's a fairly common fetish, right? By the time you're in your mid-20s, I think every girl's like,

oh, yeah, I have my first experience with a foot guy. Yeah. And there's varying levels of that, you know, I'm not, like, obsessive about my foot fetish. I've always liked feet. I remember, you know, kindergarten before. I was sexually activated or aware. You know, my, my kindergarten teacher, or first grade teacher, excuse me, used to wear esphidrels with nude tights, which will get your hosers.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the thing. And I remember, like, looking at her feet as, like, a six, seven-year-old kid and being like, wow, those are really pretty, but not associating it with sex and not being, you know, there was no association there. And I remember her husband once came and visited her, and I was like, I wonder if he is nice feet too because she has nice feet you know that like really young but then as I got older you know I just noticed that I was always centered on girl's feet you know I would notice them I enjoyed them whatever uh and then I started looking at you know adult magazines you know early teens you start

looking at adult magazines I discovered leg show which was like eye opening and and I've always just been an exploratory and read a lot and John Waters you know it was a desperate living where there's a foot fetish guy in that movie. But, you know, I became aware of a foot fetish. And then I kind of started following that, you know, the path of like this is now, you know, I'm in my teen years. So early

90s, you know, of the early 90s. There were like tons of magazines and specifics and there were all these latex and leather magazines and I started reading those and looking at those and, you know, they catered to fetish. Whatever fetish you had, you could find a magazine

that was catering and specific to it. it. So I found fettish magazines. I will say, I've never really, really been my thing. Either like the foot fetish specific magazines, I thought Leg Show was great. But beyond that, most of it wasn't my liking, either aesthetically or I thought the production value of it wasn't very good. The photographers weren't very good. The subject matters themselves, a lot of the times weren't very good. So I never really indulged too much in that type of pornography. I've always been just like much more of an old school, Al Goldstein, playboy, pornography fan. So when you got into your relationship with your girl,

you let her know straight up about the foot thing? And it wasn't like no big deal for you to bring it up? I mean, was it something that you kept hidden a lot? No, you know, so early on, I had always been friends with girls, you know, like early childhood. My best friend when I was like, you know, nursery, preschool up until like third, fourth grade, when she had finally moved, I've always just been really good friends with girls. And I had kind of like once or twice, probably in my early teens, mentioned that to a friend.

Yeah, I grew up in a pretty liberal area. I grew up in southern western New England in a college town near the Berkshires. So it's like, you know, my parents were both academics, liberal atmosphere. My friend's parents were all associated somewhere in other with like either a couple of the universities in the area. or directly with the universities in the area. So we all had like the same kind of like open liberal hippie parent upbringing, or pre-hippoor hippie parent upbringing, but, you know, pretty liberalized. So, you know, I was lucky in that sense.

And I got to talk to a lot of female friends at that age. And, you know, at one point I remember talking to a friend and being like, yeah, no, feet are cool. I like them. And she was like, well, you know, I like footrobes, you know, I've gotten to her in my life. She's like, but don't get creepy about it. Right. And that is like it's stuck.

You know, like, you had an early age woman are disabled to her. articulate that kind of stuff. And, you know, she was able to say, yeah, no, that's totally cool. Like, just don't be creepy. Like, everything's fine if you're not creepy. Well, what they mean is, like, is this going to be, like, am I sexually turning around? There's a big difference.

Yeah. And so, you know, I was always able to kind of keep that in mind. And that was good advice, really good advice. I'm still friends with her. And every now and then I'll remind her that that was good advice. And she actually is a friend who's, like, very aware of my deviancy and just how much all I am. I was just like, yeah, you're still a slime ball.

Like, she's just accepting of it. She knows that, she knows that, like, I'm perpetually going to be attracted to women, like, ages 22 to 26. Like, just constantly jokes about that. And it's just like, God, you know, she has two daughters. And she's like, yeah, you've got another five years before I'm to say you can't see her uncle Michael anymore. Oh, yeah, of course. But I was lucky in that end. I was also lucky in growing up in, like, one of these, like, it wasn't by any means.

metropolitan or metro, but because there was some population density, and this is like, you know, late 80s and early 90s, there were adult bookstores. And that led to another form of deviancy because I just, you know, at the age of like 16 when I got my license, drove a couple times over and went to an adult bookstore, I was able to get in because I looked right on the periphery, like we're on 1820-ish. There was like, you know, it was eye-opening experience. I discovered I was just walking through the aisles. And it was amazing. And I found really weird things in the adult bookstore. They have this massive collection

of Helmut Lang books that I thought was really interesting, or how a Newton books I thought was really interesting, because I was really into photography at the time. But I also discovered, like, that's where I discovered all these German fetish magazines and these British latex magazines that I thought were really interesting. Discovered Leg Show.

But in the back of adult bookstores, there were video booths. Right. And those video booths were glory holes. Oh. Oh. Never heard of, seen a thought of a glory hole. But, you know, nonetheless, I'm, I was just naturally curious.

So went in and, you know, slit a dollar head. And the next thing I know, there's like fingers at the glory hole being like, hey, hey, hey, hey. So I was like, okay, I'm, you know, what, 16, 17 and somebody wants to blow me, I'm like me, you know, like there's no greater definition of horny than like a 16-year-old. And it's totally anonymous. No one's getting up. So I stuck my dick through. And I got a blowjob. And I was like, wow.

Right. Like talk about like bells and whistles and lights going off. So that was kind of like where I discovered like that. And that led into like me, you know, at the same time going back to that bookstore fairly often. Because, you know, why wouldn't I? If every time I knew I went to a place I was going to get a blowjob. But that led to me, you know, one time when I went in and there was a guy there and, you know, the booth over instead of a finger coming through a penis game through.

And I was like, that's new. So I blew him. And I liked it. I liked in a sense that like I was kind of like, huh, don't know if I actually really care to see the guy, but there's something that was kind of hot about it. So that led to that. So then, you know, had normal dating life in high school, you know, no like real. But can I just ask you a question?

Let's just stop right there because it's like interesting stuff. Because, you know, before I'm saying like, oh, behind your, you know, sort of need for all this deviant behavior. It's like a big vapid hole. But maybe it's that because your very, like your earliest sexual experiences were so supercharged. Yeah. I don't know. Or maybe everyone's first sexual appearance.

I don't know. Are so supercharged. But maybe because of how it was happening in these bookstores, maybe that's why, you know, you got wired for that because that was that stuff early on. Were you like getting blow jobs from girls all the time to her? Was this like your primary way? of like getting off like, you know, in the beginning.

Well, I had a pretty, you know, I had a pretty normal, you know, sexual life in high school. I had, you know, I dated like two different girls.

Uh-huh. Last time I was, like, 15-ish, you know, probably like 15. So early on, 16.

I mean, here you are, like, really having these supercharged, you know, dirty, like,

you know, experiences, and you're going back for more of that. I mean, I think maybe, you know, that really wired you to that kind of sex, which happened?

I think so. And I think a lot of it also has to do with, you know, I was doing a lot of, well, this is a little bit later, but Segwors into college, I started drinking a lot and doing a fair amount of Coke. I mean, this was like, you know. When everyone was doing it. Yeah. So it's like, you know, Coke was still, you know, pretty goddamn popular at that point.

Yeah. And so I started doing a lot of Coke and drinking a lot in school in college. That was my first foray until like a major metropolitan area. I mean, sure, I grew up like, you know, an hour and a half outside of a major city, but it may as well have been, you know, the other side of the world's because we just didn't go to it very often. But through college, drank a lot, did a lot of drugs. Had, you know, normal college sexual activities, didn't have a serious girlfriend, but had a lot of sex in college. Would actually go back to like my hometown-ish, that area.

I'd go to adult bookstores because there just wasn't any. and, you know, the Boston. Yeah, there wasn't any in Boston. Like, Boston sucks. You know that. Everyone knows that. And, you know, I've been worried about offending your Boston listeners because they know it's a crappy city. So, you know, still undozing all that.

And then, you know, I graduated college. And I said, okay, you know what? I really do not want to be a drug addict. I don't want to do that. As romantic as it is, to think of yourself as, like, a druggie when you're in your teen into college years. It's not. you know, once you get out, you've got to pay bills and stuff. So, it was clear across the country until, like, Los Angeles area.

Got my first job out there in the professional world, and everything was really great. It would go to dope bookstores every now and then. But for the most part, it was, like, pretty normal. Like, my sex life was pretty normal. I was dating a lot. I was in a field that was, there was a lot of gay men, and so I met a lot of women. It was just a relaxed atmosphere, and it was a really good atmosphere to, like, meet up with and hook up with coworkers because it was a lot of young.

just that like liberal, and I don't mean politically, I just mean like it was a liberal workplace where, you know, you could go out for drinks with your coworkers that night and you hook up with one the next day. It's like totally fine and normal and nobody really cares. Right. Now, were you a little bit of hucking up with your male co-workers? No, no, not female. Just female. The male thing has always been, you know, side hustle. Yeah. For a lack of a better term. Um, and I'm not attracted to men. Like if I see, even if I see like, you know, John Hamm on the street, I'm not going to be like, wow, he's hot. Yeah, yeah. You know, like, so even like, the most prototypical attractive male.

I can recognize that they're handsome, but I don't know if they're trying to them. There's been one in my, in memory that I remember being like, wow, yeah, he's hot. I would totally like, dig him. But beyond that, now, again, pretty normal, like early 20s. You're drinking, you're going out, you're going out with coworkers,

you're hooking up with your coworkers, nothing out of the ordinary, except I was still going to adult book stores occasionally to get, like, blow jobs or to give blow jobs, which, in retrospect, I'm kind of like, Jesus, talk about bad, dumb behavior. And then I discovered, and I had always, you know, going back to, like, you know, when I was in high school when I saw this, like, drag show on TV, you know,

I had always had this, like, lingering interest in trans and cross-dressers. And, you know, I'm driving around L.A. So I don't really know it all that well. And I'm just kind of like, you would occasionally, like, get my car and just drive, right? You know, you do that when you're in a new city, sometimes you just go and explore. And I came across this area of L.A. that had like two or three trans bars lined up. And there are all of these trans prostitutes standing outside.

And I was like, wow, this is something I kind of wanted to experience. Like, I got to get closer to it. Yeah. Because I'm not like a strip club guy. I'm not like any of that sort of stuff. But anything that's like deviant around the edges I'm really interested in, anything, you know, like seed. Yeah.

I just really like it. I like exploring. So, you know, get out and, you know, park from my car and get out. kind of like walking and I see this one trans girl who is just like a knockout like to this day the most passable trans woman I've ever seen like just a knockout um and I'm walking she's like hey looking for company and at first I didn't register and I was like excuse me and she's like looking for a date and I said I think I may be yeah and I was like I don't know though She was like, yeah, you probably are.

Follow me. You know, again, retrospectively, this is like so dangerous and stupid, but you're in their early 20s, so that's kind of how I led my life. Follow her back to her place. We have sex. And it's like mind-blowingly hot for me. Right. You know, just hot. Part of it was because she was really hot.

Like, to this day, I, like I said, she was one of the most attractive. I mean, she was just a knockout, period. Like, you would not say she's an attractive trans woman. And she was just a knockout. But yeah, it was really hot. And afterwards, when we were getting dressed and I was kind of had some mixed emotions about it, because that was the first time I had actually had sex with someone who had, like, you know, male genitalia.

Yeah. And she looked at me and she was like, it's okay, you know. It's okay. I remember thinking, yeah, it is okay. And I was just okay with it after that. So I started like, you know, that got worked into my patterns where, like, you know, it was like, okay, normal dating. and adult bookstores, trans hookers.

Yeah, mental dating, adult bookstores, trans escorts, prostitutes. Like, that was all normal. But I also, like, had a normal dating life, you know. I was in L.A. for, like, you know, almost in my early to mid-20s, had, like, one long, at that point in my life, it was like a four-year relationship, which is long for in your 20s, totally stepped out and cheated on her as often as I could. You know, she knew about my foot fetters. She was indulgent up my foot fetus.

she, you know, remember at one point she bought, like, fishnet stockings from Wolford to, like, playing to it. Because she kind of got, you know, she kind of liked it. It was, like, near to her as well, but she was like, okay with it because I wasn't creepy. I took my friends with advice, you know. They held on to that place. Yeah. Yeah.

So that, like, you, was most of my 20s. And then I moved across country again to D.C., the D.C. area, which I didn't know anything about, but, you know, D.C. is, like, one of these towns that, because there are, there's a real layer of deviancy under the surface. Oh, really? Which makes sense, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's all, you know, pent up politicians and lobbyists.

Yeah. And people looking to entertain. So it kind of makes sense. I've heard that about Tennessee, like, you know, the Bible Belt, you know, because you got all this religious stuff and then you have this whole underground sex thing going on. You know, it's like, of course you'd find those two things. there. Yeah, I mean, it's repress and it tends to be like

much more extreme because people in like those pent up areas and you're right, like people in those areas where they can't be like opening out and experience life in general. It's like, you know, when they can, they just dive in and go full bore. It's like, you know,

yeah, I don't have a bondage fetish. I have like a leather daddy fetish that I'm going to explore heavily. Like those types are behavior. Yeah, totally. So now you're in D.C. and they this whole underground thing that's perfect for you yeah absolutely i loved it yeah we're also getting into like the internet age and yeah god bless kreggs list i certainly explored that to my to the folks and that was 80 to 90 percent men and but occasionally a woman still going and seeing uh trans escorts

um and there's a kum dc has like a huge huge escort industry for a longer a better term yeah um that's where i started seeing my first, like, female escorts as well. Uh-huh. And I really liked that because I could go and I could just have this, like, completely anonymous hookup, indulge in fetishes, and then leave. Mm-hmm. And I was there for, like, 10 years. And I, all of the behaviors I had started to develop in Los Angeles just continued

there. But significantly more male-on-male hookups, just these random Craigslist hookups, because it was easy. Mm-hmm. you know, it was the first time, it was the first time it went past, like just blowing each other. There was, you know, I remember the first time it got, like,

there was a guy who, you know, he came over, and he was like, I was giving him a handjob. And he was, like, looking at me, like, he really wanted to kiss me. And there was something about that moment that was, like, really hot, so I just leaned in and kissed him. And then it just, like, turned into, like, this full-on, like,

really hardcore sexual experience. with me topping him and just after we you know after I came and after he came we like parted ways and I ever saw him again but it was a really hot experience and I was like okay I'm okay with that could I just ask a quick question that was the first time that someone topped you or that you top someone or yeah that was the first time outside of like you know the trans and I don't really consider you know like I don't consider if I have sex with a trans woman I don't really necessarily consider it being a top because I view them as a female yeah and that so yeah that was the first time i topped the guy okay cool and it was like it was hot yeah but

it was hot because like you know i got away with it i think partly you know i you know at that point i was early on in my dc years and i'm like what 27 had a female roommates and or i had sex with him on her bed for some reason why it was just i think probably again that like getting away with the thing yeah so but like at that became another part of it so Then these Craigless hookups went past just like anonymous, like blown go to like real hookups. And I discovered all of these married guys who were into like these hookups. I remember early on in my podcast when I was going to Craigslist to find people because I would have to reach out and get people to be on my show. I had a lot of that.

You know, and I think it's because that was a place where there was a lot of married guys that were suck a dick on the side. You know, I just had, you know, and there was so much of that in my show if you look at the early episodes. And I just couldn't believe the shit I was hearing from these guys, you know, because they would call in and tell me because those were the people that I was finding on there. You were finding them too. Absolutely. Yeah. You know, and there, you know, there were a lot of them. Yes.

No shortage. You know, double list now is kind of like a replacement, but it's not nearly as good. We'll just say I miss Craigslist enormously. I couldn't believe what these married guy stories I'd have. I was always like, oh my God, like any woman who travels for business, like don't ever fucking travel for business because the stuff that these guys would tell me that they would do the minute their girl was out the door with the bag. Oh, yeah, yeah.

I mean, do you have any kind of crazy stories of the married guys? Well, there's currently, yeah, now I do. And we'll get to that because the rest of my 20s into like in D.C. I was there for 10 years. I kind of loved that pattern, but at one point I had like a five-year relationship thrown in there. So I was in the D.C. area for like 10 years, half of which I was involved with the same person. Yeah. It was pretty serious.

You know, like a five-year relationship in your mid-late 20s into early 30s. So that's the age where you're kind of like, okay, if I'm with someone for like three years, is this going to lead to like marriage and stuff? And she had like this really shitty relationship with her dad, which I kind of, she was very like long-term relationship ofverse and I was totally fine with that. So, you know, that eventually ends and I get a job offer to move to New York

and I'm like, yeah, absolutely I'll take it. And the first thing that kind of goes through my head is, wow, I bet there's going to be a lot more deviancy you get into up there. And there was, you know, it's New York and you want it, you can find it. Same patterns happen. Met my now wife.

And there was like instant. immediate attraction and all of the kind of bullshit I had said about not wanting to settle down, not wanting to be with someone, kind of went away the second I met her. She was the one. Yeah. Like I knew it's the second to talk to her. The guys are the pickers. I believe that.

I think a man knows. It's the only fucking thing a man knows. I think women have a lot of intuition in every area of their life, but not the guys. And men have like not that much intuition in their life, but they have it when it comes to the girl. They're going to fucking marry. They could spot her in one minute. I always hear that story.

I really believe the men are the pickers for sure. Absolutely. And it was the exact thing where, you know, like, yeah, she was younger than I was. And she fit all the boxes of like, though the thing that I'm into. And I remember, you know, the friend who don't be creepy about it. Yeah. I was like, yeah, I met somebody. She started laughing.

She's like, well, let me guess. She's recently out of college in her, you know, early to mid-20s with Burnett, Erinette, and Petit. And I was like, yeah, yeah, she's all of those things. But, like, there's something there. Like, I don't know what it is, but I, you know. I talked to her the other day for half an hour about, like, the most random dumb shit. And I loved every minute of it. Right.

And she's, you know, beautiful. Like, you know, my Instagram, you can, there's pictures over there. She's beautiful. Like, all these things, she checked. Right. But, like, none of the deviousy in me wanting to go away. Like, I still really wanted to do all of that stuff. I still wanted to indulge.

I really wanted to have my cake and eat it, too. But I was thinking long term, and I was thinking, like, you know, all this sort of stuff. met her best friend pretty early on. And her best friend is also really attractive. There was an attraction, and there was no attraction between the two of us. But her best friend is also like, kind of like me in that. She's like super touchy, gregarious. We'll like lean on, you know, people.

And she's talking to them out, drinks, whatever. And that's just kind of like, you know how like people find each other? We kind of found each other in that. And, you know, going back to the confession, you know, there was a night we were at Three was for us at dinner. And it was like this weird seating arrangement where my wife was sitting on a chair. And her friend and I were like in the banquet seating. So we were like seated next to each other.

And it was the summer and I was wearing like this maxi dress. And at one point I had my hand on the seat and she sat down on it. Like she just kind of like moved and sat down and it was purely like coincidental. Like I don't think she was purposely sitting on my hand. but she didn't move and I didn't move my hand. And so, you know, that's what I'm actually. It was like the super sheer, thin, cotton fabric. So I could totally feel like basically her skin.

I was like she was just sitting there. And at first I was like, okay, I don't want to be awkward about this and like yank my hand away. Yeah. Because I hate those types of moments. But then, you know, after like 10 and 15 seconds, I was like, well, she's not moving either. So I just kept my hand there for a little bit longer.

And then after like, you know, two, minutes per like just sitting on my hand i like slowly moved it and then put my hand on top of her thigh and again she didn't do anything she didn't react and my wife's like literally you know inches away yeah i didn't really see anything because it was just like you know under the table and it wasn't like i was moving and groping and stuff but i had my hand on her thigh and i was like huh this is interesting and there was no like reaction from her just stone cold eating and then And then I was like, okay, you know what, maybe she's just not reacting because she doesn't want to cause a scene. And so I moved my hand, and then she slid her leg over closer to me so that it was touching my leg.

Kind of like this, you know, don't have your hand away type situation. So the rest of the dinner, I had my hand like on her thigh and I was feeling like, you know, the inside of her thighs. Again, through this like super sheer maxi dress. And it was really hot. Like I remember being incredibly hard throughout all of dinner. Yeah. To the point where I was like, shit, I hope I don't have like a pre-cum stain on my pants. And her too.

I'm sure it was hot for her too. Yeah. And when we were leaving, you know, we're, you know, like saying goodbye. And, you know, I said to the restaurant and she goes to my wife, I'll hugging a kiss. And I don't know, she looks for me dead straight in the eyes and just kind of like stares into my eyes. And then we like hugging and kiss goodbye. Yeah. And I was like, okay, she was into that.

Yeah. Like, she was into it. And so it kind of kept rolling and it just got more and more and more. And we're friends, you know, like really good friends. She and my wife to this day are still really close friends. So we see each other a lot and it just has kept going. Like we kept going to extremes. And I think I told you about like she and I once went to a movie together.

And like as soon as the lights went out, we were like teenagers. Never kissed. Never anything like that. Just really heavy groping. Right. And her, like, you know, squeezing, you know, my penis and stuff through the pants. And, you know, I'm a guy. I'm a little rock-heart in the middle of this movie.

So she's squeezing my erection. And I'm like, holy shit, she's giving me a hand drop through, you know, my pants. This is, like, total teenage, really hot. But it's never gone past that. Like, we've never really. Cross the line, yeah. Yeah, like, there's been, like, New Year's Eve kisses, you know? Yeah.

major and but we've never like there has never been nude contact right and it's ever been like you know full on like really heavy making out there's been you know kissing in like new year's eve and like when we greet each other we just we kiss each other on the lips which is just how she greets probably like 80 to 90% of her close friends yeah so there's like nothing you know but you know it's still there and if we see each other and we're alone there's groping it's a it's a weird thing I don't know where it's, I, I've talked to therapists about it, you know, and they're like, yeah, that's weird. I don't know how to categorize that.

It's like a totally new thing. But it plays really into the adrenaline junkie thing. Like, we're getting away with it. Yeah, and it's two people that are into like the whole tease and denial thing, or edging, they would call it, you know, you guys are edging. And some people are into that. I've talked about, like, just dry humping someone runs for all this time and we never ever fucked, but we just dry hump.

I mean, there's something. about that. When you get older and you could do whatever, there's something hot about that kind of thing because it's so different because you don't really do it. So, you know, I think some people, like that can be hot for some people. And it is for both of you. You guys are just like perfectly aligned like that. Some people might be like, let's fucking get to it. But some people are like, oh, this is hot because it is a thing. And I think that they call it edging, you know. Yeah, exactly. And so, you know, the past like 10 years, you know, we'll say now that I've been in New York. I had a job at some point where I was traveling a fair amount. And so obviously when I

would travel, and I went to like some, you know, like you said, some of the Bible about the area. It's like, I'm going to put Nashville in that category. It's like, it's like easy to find deviancy in those cities. Yeah, that's where I was when someone told me this, this is what you're going to see the church and you're going to see the porn shop. The church, you have a corn shop. It's like right next to each other. That's what you know. Yeah, exactly. It's like every like, you know, once you get outside of the city, it's like, you know, for every two churches, there's a gun shop and a morning. Yes. Yeah.

And so I found deviancy pretty easy there. Yeah. And there was a lot of guys who were just like looking for like random hookups. Also a lot of women looking for random hookups. Interesting. And, you know, when you travel on, you spend time in hotels and you work your way to a hotel bar, some of that stuff, some of the stereotype is true. Like you do see a lot of women, you know, professional business. women who are like, I just need to get fucked tonight.

Like, I've had a shitty day of travel and, like, I don't necessarily want to, like, stay in the bottom of line. I just don't need someone to, like, fuck me and then I'm going to go to sleep and have an okay day. You do see that a fair amount, right? Yeah. And you see married women who are just, like, you know, and shooting marriages and they just need, like, of release. So you encounter all of those things when you're traveling, and particularly if you're

traveling, like, in good hotels. That stereotype is totally true. I took advantage of that stereotype and leaned into it. I wouldn't expect anything less. Yeah. But at the same time, I've also started indulging a lot more with escorts because, you know, at a certain point I realized,

okay, you know what? I'd rather go and there's less exposure on my end. I totally get it, yeah. If I go see a high-end escort, then if I start trying to develop a relationship outside and pick up women outside. Totally, yeah. It's more transactional and it's safer in a weird way.

I get it, yeah. And, you know, there was that one relationship by I was telling you about where it got just a little too emotional. Yeah. And I knew that I was failing her. Like, I knew she, I knew she was really into me and wanted something more that I couldn't give and didn't want to you to be early. I was like, I'm happy with my marriage and my life. Yeah, you said that, yeah. So, you know, I just started seeing one more escorts.

Unfortunately, you know, I'm in a position where I can indulge in like a high-end escort, you know, a couple times a month and it's not going to... Break your bank. Yeah, it's not going to press my bank. I have to save up a little bit of a show like that. So I started doing that. You know, and there's, like, websites you can go to and find out stuff. And there's this one called, like, acronym is T-E-R. And you can find, like, reviews and whatever.

It's horrible to use, but you can find it in. And you find, like, people who are members of that site who have similar tastes to you. So you look at who they've seen. And, you know, there's ways you can, like, really narrow it down to have, like, have, like, a curated experience. Yeah. And then you know, most of them, you know, most of the high-end escorts require some sort of like pre-screen where you, you know, have to write in.

And then you tell them like your interest and your hobbies and all this sort of stuff. And they actually like really curated experience and, you know, send them like wardrobe inspiration. So it's a cool experience. Like, you know. And so I started doing that. Through that, I met a girl. and we hit it off.

Like my wife at this point, this is COVID, she was traveling a lot for work. We were both traveling a fair amount, but she was traveling a lot. And one of these times where she was gone for an extended period, I was like, okay, I'm an indulged,

and there was this girl, and we just hit it off. Like, physically, I could not draw someone or paint someone who was more physically my type. I was like, wow. And then we just, like, oddly got along, really. well. That first time, you know, I remember I booked it was like two hours and I ended up saying

like five, like just hanging out with her talking. And then when I was leaving, she was like, God, she's like, I hope we see each other again. I was like, yeah, I mean, too. And then we did the second time. And the second time again, she was like, hey, you know, why are you spend the night? And I remember for free? Yeah. Like, you know, I mean, there was a transaction. There was a financial transaction. Right. But, you know, she had like, you know, a lot of these girls have, like, overnight rates and stuff. Yeah. She didn't charge me to the overnight rate.

And then, you know, so it became, like, almost like a monthly thing, you know, where I would see her. And I was at a point where I was pretty much seeing her exclusively as, like, in terms of, like, escorts. Yeah. I'm still indulging a little bit with, like, double list random male hookup. And, you know, at this point, I'm, I don't see trans women all that often because there's a, it's just a, you know, it's just a, you know, without paying too broad of a stroke, it's less safe in that area. Okay.

They tend to be like much more centered around transactions and they're just not as safe. And by safe, I mean, like, they might see three or four guys in the night on a Saturday night. Man, that's pushing the bounds of safety for me. So, you know, do still see a hookup with married guys because there's still a lot of that. But I was seeing this girl, you know, monthly.

And it got to a point where, like, you know, we would make plans to get together, wife's out of town, and she was like, if the hotel's going to be X amount. And that was all she was charging me. Right. And then I was like, okay, you know what, I fly like a shit ton. And, you know, I have all of these rewards points that I'm never going to catch up on. One time I got us a hotel room. And I said, hey, I got us at a hotel.

And she's like, oh, awesome. and there was no charge. Like, we just hung out. And, you know, got a hotel the next time in Midtown, and we went out to dinner because, like, I mean, yeah, it's a safe area, right? Who are we going to run to in Midtown that I know? And you're a downtown guy? I know, I mean, yeah. Well, like, like, you know, if.

Yeah, I got it. But, like, it's like, you know, if you want to, like, have an affair with someone in, in New York, where do you go if you live here you can admit down that's so funny you know yeah he's not going to run into people you know so that became like a thing and then i didn't spend the night at her place ever but you know it became a thing where like you know i know her name her real name or civilian name i know who her parents were met her brother wow like it was turned into like a real affair and again this is pre-covid and i was like holy shit i'm having an affair with an escort like this is kind of bonkers and she's like just sexual dynamo like if you everything that I'm into

she was into really into just like exploratory sex and like no holds barred it was great yeah you know COVID hits and and that kind of changed everything and it really forced me to like reevaluate behavior and I stopped traveling no more business travel you know I've changed jobs where I just don't have to travel anymore. My wife was traveling significantly less. But that led to more like, okay, well, if I'm going to have like this, you know, and I, I'm not seeing that girl anymore, uh, the escort. Because that all kind of fell apart. We, we left the city for a good chunk of like early COVID, which oddly like isolation like made me in my life a lot stronger. Yeah, I was going to ask like,

how was it when you were able to scratch that itch? Like what, what was that like for you? Yeah. Initially it was like a little, I think there was some withdrawal. you know yeah of course you know but then it got a lot better yeah there you go we're looking a super strong place and you know the itch i'm scratching now is like generally like these married men hookups and they're pretty common and you know we live in like building you know an area where like there's some of these massive you know obnoxious apartment condo built high rises and there's a guy in like my building who we hook up with i hope they're out you know and It's just like an endless vat of like really interesting like random stories.

I don't know. I just love all these stories. Okay. Well, it's true of this thing. Like, you know, we were like corresponding and I was like, hey, yeah, I live in this area. And he's like, oh, yeah, me too. And I was like, okay, I live in, you know, X building. And he's like, yeah, I live in X building as well.

And I'm like, okay, I'm in this tower. Oh, my God. And because, you know, it's like, again, you know, in New York, you can be very specific and narrow down your choices because, you know, just population density. And so it's like, okay, I need to have like these quick hookups. So I'm going to narrow down to my neighborhood. Yeah. And like, you know, there's guys who are looking for the same thing in my neighborhood.

Turns out in my complex. And so it's kind of great, you know. And like we can see each other when our wives are out for like, you know, if I'm working from home one day and my wife isn't, I can be like, hey, dude, come over. Right. And conversely, the same thing with them, you know. We've seen each other in, like, our building lobby. There's no acknowledgement, you know, that kind of stuff.

It's, like, totally anonymous. And I think he gets off on that, too. But that is, you know, and I still do see, I have started seeing escorts again. You did. You have started, uh-huh. And then again, it's kind of like I have, like, a wish list of escorts who I want to see. And I'm just kind of, like, going through that wish list. Wow.

How much are your escorts? courts around. I always like pricing. I don't know why. Yeah, I mean, most of them, you know, it's like a couple thousand dollars for like two hours, three hours, you know. Right. Because they typically book like you, you know, they're this much, but there's a minimum, right? So that they know for sure. Yeah, yeah. It's usually like a thousand bucks for like, you know, like an hour. And then after you cross that, it really becomes about like, you know, they start, you know, it's like $1,500 for two hours, $2,000 for $1,000 for $1,000. three hours.

Okay. But I generally like, you know, like multi-hour appointments because I, I just don't like being rushed. I like taking my time. And there's some other things like, you know, um, again, like I, so yesterday I, I actually went and saw one because my wife was out of town yesterday. And I booked like a three-hour appointment or four hours appointment. Uh, because, you know, I had a specific thing where, you know, I have, I have a foot fetish. And it's like not stocking season right now.

but you know current style does allow for like booties and and like you know maxi dresses and whatever so i was like okay you know what i'm gonna buy her a pair of like those wolford stocking socks yeah we'll go out we'll go for a walk and hang out outside and her feet are going to get warm and damp and that's like really plays into my foot fetish and then i can have fun right so it's like you know you can do those types of things and something about women who are professional in that price point is they kind of melt and like they know what they're getting into a lot of them are like really well traveled because men fly them all over yeah you know the girls who yesterday was like oh yeah yeah no i have a client in San Francisco who's flying me out for the week you know they're

well traveled they eat in like really high-end restaurants and they spend their time because they kind of have to be right they have to be entertained men who are educated and successful and they have to be comfortable in like restaurants and she's this girl was like in her mid-20s and she's like yeah most of my client's in their mid-50s. Right. So you have to keep up and to justify what they charge. So it's definitely a great experience.

I'm lucky. Yeah. Somebody asked me the other day on YouTube like, why don't you ask the condom question? I'm like, I used to ask it all the time and nobody uses fucking condoms. It's like, well, let's just ask you, do you use condoms with all of these people when you're hooking up? So

I do if I hook up with like these random guys. Yeah. kind of top them. Yeah. Orally, generally no. But I'm, you know, again, I'm hooking up now with, like, guys who are married. There's, like, a safety kind of thing in that, you know. And then with escorts, it's like usually, you know, commons are absolutely required for anything beyond that, you know, blowjobs or all that kind of stuff, no.

But with actual, like, sexual penetration. Yeah. And honestly, like, that is actually, like, one of the. reasons why I don't really have pleasure of sex with a lot of the female escorts, because it's like, I hate condoms, you know? So I'd rather just, like, indulge in other

areas. Yeah. And I have recently actually started seeing some doms centered around foot fetish. Right. And that's cool because they kind of, like, you know, you can, again, be very specific with what you're into, and, you know, I'm not really

into, like, the whole Dom's submissive thing. Like, I have no interest in being, like, tied up and whipped. But there is something really kind of sexy about, like, a female superior foot worship experience. Right, for your fetish. Quick question with the guys. Sorry, this is my last question, but with the guys,

do you now do it all? Like, when you're hooking up with these, that married guy, are you topping, bottom, are you switching, are you full on? I mean, what is it that you're doing now with? Yeah, so with him, it is, he is really in he's a total bottom

yeah and I'm I have had you know anal intercourse with man I've been bought I've been topped and I'm not into it at all yeah and so it

he's a total bottom and so yeah he comes over and it's kind of strange you know like I'll blow him and then I'll fuck him and then he leaves right you know and that is the

that's the relationship with most guys. There's like one other guy who we have which will make out he's like really into making out which is fine he's only into like

hand drops in making out and he just is into like oral. It's mostly oral with guys. Right. A lot of a blow and go type stuff.

Oh my God I love it. Listen Michael oh my God I mean like we could have probably just done one episode like said like I you know it's the same thing like I had the relationship and then I have the hookups with guys and then I have the escorts like you know you have all these different things going on at

most of the time at all different times of your life we could have probably done one episode on each sort of angle but I love that you really came on here and gave you know your kind of a whole life story you know in chronological order and it was just a little bit of everything and you've done a lot Like it's kind of like I said, we could have just done a foot fetish episode, but I've done a million of those. I love this because it really is like, you know, everything. And you're not just a guy with a foot fetish. You, to me, it's more so all this cheating stuff and all the stuff that you're doing. And even if you were single and doing this, it would be interesting because you are, you have done a lot.

So there's just so much here. And I just really thank you for a great episode. I really think it's great because there's. There's just so much to it. Oh, cool. Yeah. I mean, I don't think your wife would think it's great if she heard him. No, no, no, no.

But, I mean, you know, it's super interesting, all the stuff you're doing. Thank you so much for calling in and sharing it. Yeah, I mean, I love your show, you know, absolutely. And then, you know, I discovered your show during pandemic boredom. Yeah. And I absolutely loved it from the show. the first episode that I heard. It found some, like, community with some of the hosers.

Awesome. I love it. So you're like, you know, you're my favorite. So thanks so much. And now you gave me a great episode. So thanks for that, too. What do we call you, Mikhail? Thanks, Mikel.

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