Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 525 - Jay's Hotwife Situation is a Hot Mess

Episode Date: September 7, 2022

Remember Hotwife Morgan from episode #476??? This is her husband's episode... Jay’s hotwife situation turned into a hot mess and he called in to talk all about it. When did he turn his wifeon to the lifestyle? When did they decide to open up their marraige? And, how and why did it go so wrong? Tune in in hear all the crazy details including how he loves the lifestyle and how and why he wants to be with a woman who loves it too, how he cheated on his first wife and how she then cheated on him too, how he met his current wife Morgan and some of the red flags that were there, their first time at a swingers club and how they decided to open their marriage, their first MFF threesomes, how and why they started to look for solo guys to play with, her “dates” with other guys and why she wasn’t into them, her ex Brad and how and why she wanted him to be the guy she slept with, how she wound up sleeping with him and why she never told him, how he wound up cheating on her with two women and exactly what went down, how they still want an open relationship and how they have been able to move past the Brad situation, how his wife was tik-toking about the whole experience and why she stopped and a whole lot more. To hear his wife Morgan's episode, click here: https://apple.co/3D4ZHOM **To see anonymous pics of Jay's wife Morgan + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Jay is Morgan's husband. Remember Morgan? Morgan is a hot wife and a hot mess. I think it was episode 4.56. I'm going to put a link to her episode in the description. It will be there, I promise. A lot of you, after listening to her episode, so wanted her husband on. And he's been wanting to come on.

And he came on and he gave me his side of the story. And it's just as fucking messy as her side. It's a super entertaining, messy, crazy-ass conversation. I thoroughly enjoyed it. I was like, oh my God, this would be like divorce time for anybody else. But for them, they are still. together. This is a couple who try to

open up their relationship and everything that could go wrong, did go wrong, but if you ask me, there was like, it's problems before they opened up their relationship. He was always a cheater. He gives some backstory on that. The way

he talks about how they met and I don't know, to me there were some red fucking flags like right off the bat and then they decided to open up their relationship and oh my God, that's stuff that happened because they did that. It was ridiculous. But they're still together. That's what you got to give them credit. But he goes into the whole story. And like I said, and I said it to him like a thousand times on the show. I'm like, oh my God. Or what I'm talking to?

I'm like, oh my God, this is like a Jerry Springer episode. Because it's complicated. And there's like, he says the word baby mama. Like, I don't know. Maybe if you drink every time he says the word baby mama, you're going to be really fucking. And it's like, he's like, drunk because there's, you know, there's baby mama, there's jail time, there's this girl, there's cheating, there's swingers, sex, there's you know,

squirting, but not with his girl, with the girl he cheated on her with because she cheated on him, and then there's Brad, who's Chad, and the name gets fucking changed ten times. But like I said, it is complicated and confusing, and

there's a little very dramatic, but it's fun and it's entertaining, and he's fucking funny and he's just straight up and real and I really enjoyed talking to him. I left the conversation as confused as I left the conversation with Morgan. I asked him to come back on next time with her. I would like to give them free counseling. And you'll see why when you hear the episode. But anyway, I am going to get right to it and be right back on with Jay.

Hi, Jay. The letter J or J-A-Y, I don't know. Just keep me a little bit anonymous, so yes. Yeah, Jay, we're going to change your voice. We're changing your name. Okay. But one thing we know about you is you were Morgan, Morgan the hot wife, who was, it was kind of like a messy situation.

She called him. She talked a lot about you and your guy's situation, her fucking other guys. I don't know. She's like TikTok. about it. It's like this whole thing. And there was drama attached to it. I love a, you know, a sex story romp with drama. You know, I love the feel good ones where everyone's like super happy and it's so positive. But I also love the ones where it's gone awry. Um, your guys was kind of complicated. Like a lot of young people nowadays, your girl is like blasting out our whole fucking

life story on in on the internet. And, uh, you're along for the ride. A lot of people. Um, a lot of people were like, we want to hear from Morgan's guy, her husband. Are you a husband or a boyfriend? Husband. Husband, yeah. Okay, Morgan's husband. Now, you, Jay, contacted me to call in and you were like, oh, you're sending me the videos, watch this before we talk. I want you to post this. I was like, I'm not fucking watching anything, okay? You're just going to tell me. And first of all, because you sent me a clip of your girl talking and stuff. And I was like, I can. can't take stuff like that isn't approved of somebody else.

You know, like, I mean, is that a private video she sent you? No, it was basically, she recorded herself talking about this particular guy. And why I wanted you to hear it to understand, to give you context, because a lot of stuff that I was about to tell you is that stuff is coming from her own mouth. It's not like me imagining it or me making assumptions. this is just that was coming from her mouth. Okay, well, listen to this, okay, Jay, I'm going to tell you. Yes.

I don't need evidence. I'm going to take your word for it. Okay, we don't need the evidence. We're just going to now hear your side of the story. I know that you've wanted to come on and tell your side of the story since Morgan called in, which was months back. So why don't you give a little backstory about you and your wife and how you got to where you're going and why you're calling in and all.

that good stuff. I don't know where you want to start, but I think you, I started with a little backstory about your hot wife Morgan. Okay. So, okay, so a little bit of back, back story before I met her. I was in the swingin lifestyle. Oh, really? My, yes, I met my baby mama in a lifestyle. And, you know, she was a, she was a type of person. She likes to go. She, she really didn't play, but she always went to the events, and everybody knew who she was. And then I met her. And, and then I've, you know, I felt love with the lifestyle and her attitude and her body. So, you know, we got together. And over the years, we never really played or did anything.

It just kind of like stopped. So for about eight years, I cheated on her, like, constantly, like, not even joking, constantly, over and over and over. And it was because I wanted, I wanted how we met, I wanted to keep continuing doing that. But, like, she wasn't doing it, and so I was like, okay. And so I started cheating, and I started meeting other women and other relationships. And even some of the relationships I was in, I went to swing a party. They were perfect play partners.

I mean, I could do whatever I wanted to. I could go to a party and have sex with all women in the party and go home and be happy with the person that I brought to the party and stuff like that. It was just so much excitement. I loved it. And I always wanted to be with a woman that I could share those things with, you know, because I'm a person where I can, yeah, I can go to a party, have sex with 20 women, have fun all day, and come home and then just like, okay, you know, and just kind of go along my life.

You know, I don't sit there and dwell upon it and do that and that or the other. You know, I like going to parties because I always felt like I have something to prove. So I would like, when people watch me with other people, they'd be like, damn, that guy right there is a monster. And that was my whole thing. I loved it. Oh, interesting. Why do you think, wait, quick question, Jay.

Why do you think you had something to prove? Well, that's something to prove because I just wanted to be better than their husband, or the boyfriends or whoever they brought or who they were with. No, no, no, I get that. I know what you mean. I know you mean by it. But can you tie it back to like a little kid who was bullied or, you know, someone who felt inferior because you had older brothers or someone left you for a bigger guy.

Like, I mean, can you tie that thing back to something? Yeah. Well, it was like this. I guess it were really, you know, at the bare bottoms of everything was I was out of type of guy where I didn't really like, I wasn't popular. I wasn't like the greatest looking guy in my opinion. And so I said to myself, you know, I might not have a lot of money. I might not look at the best in the world.

I might be ugly, this and that. But one thing I can do is I'm going to have the best sex ever. Right. That was the... Yeah, yeah. If a woman wanted to be with me, at least I could keep them, at least for the sex. And that, you know, and that there's nobody else that can outdo them, you know, outdo me. Do you have a big dick?

Is that what it was about or no? Yeah, tell me the truth. Well, to be honest with you, Cassidy, I've never measured myself. Mm-hmm. Because the point is, To me, it's like I never had a problem. No one's never, I never thought because, I mean, yes, I needed some size of difference, but it was me. It was about the motivation.

You know, to me, it was about the hunger, the motivation, the pure animalistic of sex to me, overshined how big I was or how small I was. Yeah, I was just wondering where your confidence came from. I think there's two types of people that, you know, someone could be maybe like, I know that this is an area I'm going to insal and because I have like the big, as dick on the planet or another guy who knows it's going to be an area he's going to excel in because he's so fucking into it and he loves it and he knows that's the thing that he could perform and do better than anybody else. So that was you, the second guy.

The second guy, but to be honest with you, it's weird, but it's also, it was also part of my insecurity. I don't think it's weird. I think it makes sense. That's why I said, where does that come from? More insecurity. Yeah, of course. It's more insecurity. It's like, it's like, you know, Williams, he made everybody laugh, but he was inside depressed. So, to me, even though I could give you the best sex the world, sex can only last so long. You know what I'm saying? No matter how

good you are, no matter how big you are, eventually there's going to be, having to be something behind it for the woman to stay with you. Right, and because that's why I asked you because you did, to me, it was very self-aware of you to be able to say out loud, like, hey,

I needed to be better. I wanted to. That was like my thing. Like that made me feel good. You know, that me, that always points to me that there's something going on earlier that that person created this need. And it comes from an insecurity. So, and of course, going about it in that way is never going to feed that insecurity. It's never going to fix it, you know, because it's self-esteem comes from yourself, not from something else, you know. So it's not going to be, it doesn't matter how many people you fuck and how many times people tell you you're great.

you're never going to, that little kid that wasn't popular, that didn't feel good enough, is never going to get what he wants through that. You think you are, and that's why you go there, but it's never going to come from that, you know? So, of course, it is insecurity. That's why I asked you, like, where does that come from? Because it typically comes from someplace. And a lot of people are acting out in ways like that because of insecurities, and they don't even know it. You know, I love that you know it.

Yes, and plus another thing, too, is that it's going to be honest, that I've always liked bigger women. And, you know, my mom was a big woman, all my family was big women, and I was always attracted to bigger women. But the crazy thing is, and I'm not going to include my wife into this like that, but it felt like when I would talk to attractive, fine, skinny, hot women, they never really gave me the time of day. But when you attracted to women who maybe had lower, lower self-esteem than you do, and it made me feel good that, yes, you know, you'd be a plus-sized woman, but you are treating me like I am like this hot guy. Because, you know, maybe nobody else. Nobody's a type of them or they don't really have somebody that wants them

and they want to have a guy who wants them. They're just like, go over and above, you know, you know, sex, sex, money, whatever. Yeah, and it made me feel good too. Mm-hmm. Of course.

That makes sense. I think a lot of people do that kind of stuff and that dynamic is in action and a lot of people. I always dated down. I was always dating down because I didn't feel good about myself and no one could ever understand my choices. You know, it didn't make sense. But I only felt secure with those people because they were so they were beneath me.

you know, it made me feel better about myself because I had low self-esteem. So that's what dating down is all about. And then you have these psychopaths. Some people date up and they think they're fucking great. Dating way up better than you is just as psychotic as dating down. So anybody listening to this thinking we're losers for dating down because you date up. Trust me, you're just as psychotic as we are. You know, it's like the opposite.

Like a lot of people are, if you're insecure and you have low self-esteem, you feel very bad about yourself and then the people that are like super conceited and feel so good about themselves even when they shouldn't be that comes from insecurity too it's like the a different side of the same fucking coin it just depends on how you express it some people like i said those people that are dating way up and have such grandiose egos you're like what the fuck like have you looked in the mirror they're just as insecure it just comes out in that way you know your insecurity came out in that way which i understand because i had the same thing i dated down always as well Right. Yeah, exactly.

So go on. So that's what happened. And so then, me and my baby mama, we broke up. Did she ever catch you cheating on her? Did I catch, did she catch me? Yeah, you said you were cheating. I was like crazy. No, my baby mama?

Yeah. Well, okay, so my baby mama, yeah, toward the end of relationship. Yeah, she started cheating on me. And basically, I went to jail for something, and I came home and basically he said, hey, look, this guy I'm talking to doesn't want you here. So you need to leave. So I said to myself, I said, okay, I was a little bit sad and upset, but I was like, you know what? I've been cheating on her for eight years, so I deserve it.

So, you know, I was saying? Yeah, yeah, you felt like you know, that was your payback. Oh, yeah, and I always made a point where I never go back. Yeah. So we never dated afterwards. We didn't, you know, there was no, you know, romantic. nothing like that, you know, and the sex was gone a month, you know, years ago. I used to sleep on the couch and stuff like that.

Oh, I'd work. She'd worked in the day. I worked at night, so we didn't even see each other, you know. But, you know, we had a child, stuff like that. So I was there for a child for a month, you know, all the years. How long were you in jail for? Wait, how long were you in jail? Like, how long were you gone for?

I was gone for, like, only like, probably like a month. I bowed out. Oh, okay. What did you go to jail for? Can you tell me? When I was to jail for, was I there was an old motorcycle and a and it was by it was in this um or you know

RV lot and it was by a trash cat it looked like it was trash but it wasn't trashed I could belong with somebody so I got arrested for that oh my god but you took it thinking like oh someone's throwing that shit out like I'll go get it yes oh my god I can see that happening like on a dirt road was it like you know in the middle of nowhere yeah no it was it was it was no it was like in a in a And people put like the RVs and trailers and stuff like that. Wow. And they put you in jail for a month.

You know, people rape people and they don't even go into jail for that long. It's so weird to me. That's why I ask, because stories are always so interesting to me, jail stories, because it's very odd because I watch a lot of date line, you know, and it doesn't make sense if you look at everything compared to everything else, you know. Correct. And the thing is, like, so I was gone for a month and, you know, and yeah, you know, I have my little side chicks, you know, because you guys said, I was with some of these women for

like two to three years. You mean the girls you were cheating on her with? Yes. Okay. Yes. They were like two or three different girls. Yeah. And so, like, they would send me money and they would come visit me and they would send me books

and stuff. So, you know, so when I got out, so when I got out of jail and my baby mom was like, hey, you know, you don't like you. So I said to myself, now I could have been with any other ones, period. I really could have been with any of them. And I could have a federal lifestyle, but I said to myself, you know, if I go jump into another relationship and not the way I did, because that's how I got my baby mama because I wasn't in a relationship with somebody else, and I cheat on her with my baby mom.

And I'm like, you know, I'm saying, you know. I'm sorry, but I feel like I'm on Jerry Springer. I know. But I said, I want a real relationship. I said, but I can't just go back to my, to these side chicks and do that. So I said, well, you know what? I'm going to break it off with them, and I'm just going to say single, you know, have my little fun and this and that. So I decided to move in with two gay Mexican guys, their relationship.

Okay. Oh, they were a couple. So that saved me from having to be with any women or all that stuff like that. And so it was cool. So then I was still in a lifestyle. I would travel to Tennessee to some parties and stuff, and I met this girl. I really, really did. I liked a lot.

And so I would go on the weekends down there and have fun and, you know, do my thing at the parties. And one day, the girl was like in Tennessee. She was like, hey, I'm talking to somebody. And I'm like, oh, no, please. You know, so we didn't talk for like a couple, like a month or so. And then I met Morgan. Okay. Okay. So I met Morgan. Now, me and Morgan, okay, so I met it on Pliny Fish. I saw a picture. I kind of like talked to her a little bit, but she really didn't give me a play. And then one day, and I'll see one day says, hey, you know, I want to go see this new Marvel movie Iron Man 2 or something like that. So I said, hey, you want to go? She said, sure. And so that weekend, I was already going to Tennessee to another party to try to, you know, try to get this girl. I really want him.

And so I saw, I saw, let me meet her. So I went to the movie theater, right? And then I got, before I got tickets, I said, let me just wait for a second. So I got, I got there, and I was going to buy tickets, but I said, let me wait until she gets haul over. And I really couldn't get a hold of her. And then next day I know, like, the movie time passed. And then she says, okay, I'm on my way. I said, okay, you know, so I got tickets.

I'm in the movies, you know, and then she came for the second part of the second showing the movies. right. So Morgan, wait, I just need to let everyone remember that she's in episode 479. Morgan is a hot wife and a hot mess. She was a hot mess from the minute. You met her. Yeah, very much. Very much. Late for your first date. Late for your first date. Oh, yeah. Red flag. Yeah, but here's the crazy part. So we go to the movies. We're sitting there, you know, and I'm like staring her down. I'm not even watching a movie. I'm just looking at her. You know, to me, she's so super hot and everything like that. Oh, come to find her. out like a year or two later she told me she actually met another guy in a parking lot just for a

mean greet that's why she was late seeing me that's what i mean red flag i told you red flag right so but but this after this after we were married she told me this now that's hilarious yeah so yeah so and i guess the guy didn't really do them for her so i was the backup so so and then um and so we're sitting in the car right And we're sitting in my car. I said, hey, you know, I got to go. I'm going. And, okay, when we sat in the car, because that night I was going to Tennessee,

we sat the car, and I told her, I said, hey, Morgan, look, you know, blah, blah. You know, I would cheat on my baby mama for eight years. You know, we broke up and this, that, and the other, like, you know, I was not a very good guy. You know, I was a bad, sheer cheater and all that stuff like that. And I gave her everything. I told her everything about me. Wow, that's cool. So on the first day, I told her everything about me.

And I was telling her I was going to Tennessee And so I went to So she's like Okay, you know She's like okay, you know And then the other side I went to Tennessee The girl that I liked

Is in a relationship with a guy And I, you know And I lost that So on the way back It was raining I hit some water I spun out And I crashed and totaled my car

In the middle of the middle of Tennessee So my baby mama Was in Florida on vacation And I didn't have anybody And I called Morgan up and she came out there and got me. Wow. And then I told her, I was like, you know, I need you to drop me off my baby mama's house

I can watch my daughter. So she dropped me off my baby mama's house to watch my daughter. So, and that's how it all started. And then we, you know, we kept in contact. You know, after then we started dating and stuff like that, all the time hung out, this and the other. She said, I said, well, you know, I told her, I said, well, until I get my rental car, I can drive my bike to work.

she thought I had a bicycle. I had actually a motorcycle. So she made a point to come to my, to the while I was living at to actually see that I wasn't living with my baby mama that actually had my own spot with the gay Mexican couple. Yeah. So she had to make sure she saw that for sure that I'm not one of these guys out here, you know,

pretending to be single, but really I live my baby mama. Yeah, totally. So after I proved that to her, I've got to prove that to her, we start dating, we start talking. So I met her in May. Now, I remember, I'm on bond, and I don't know what kind of sentence I'm going to get. I never told Morgan, you know, that I went to jail and I was on bond.

Oh, so even though you copped to everything, like you cop to all the cheating and stuff, because you said I told her everything about me. I thought maybe, I was wondering if you told her about the jail thing, but you hadn't yet. I hadn't yet because I didn't know how long I had to be, you know, how long or what they're going to give me. Yeah. So, you know, and so for like three. Three weeks, okay, this is, this was crazy. So when I'm, so after meeting her and we hanging out,

all the day says, and that she invites me over to our house. That's okay. And then we're hanging out and I said, okay, look, it's getting late. I'm going to go. She said, no, you don't have to go. I said, no, you don't have to go. I said, really? She said, no, you're going to stay here.

I said, okay, cool. So she goes in Rome and I was like, okay, I was laying here on the couch. You don't try to be a gentleman. And she said, no, no, come back here later to meet. Now, I get it. Now, the whole time I've been dating, I'd never kissed her. I never even held her hand Why not?

We would sit That's not dating She would let me She would let me She would We would sit on the bench She would sit away from me From the bench

Or cross from me If we're eating Oh okay She never touched me Nothing But now she's like Well come lay with me I'll lay with her

Now I'm going I'm trying to get a little bit She said no She's laid butt and naked Next to me And I could not touch her Okay I don't remember

I mean I wish I talked to her after you, I would have had more questions for her. But see, so, and I'm sitting like, what? You know, this is a woman get raped by, you know what I'm saying? But I was the gentleman, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't touch her. I mean, I try, I try, but I wasn't going to be, you know, pushy. But I wasn't going to like, you know, take it or do anything.

So, you know, I, you know, just at any other. And again, I haven't seen my side chicks and like that. So, cool. So about Almost about a week before I went to jail, right? She finally gave me something And she was crazy She's like, okay, come in the bedroom

I said, okay, and I come in there and says, okay, you know, I can have sex here I said, no, no, no, no, no, I ain't playing with me No, no, no, no, I ain't following for her No, no, no, no, no, no, no, I said, no, no, you're fucking with me You're mess with me, there's no, you're not going to get me, you know? Yeah thing. And so then about a week before, about a week, I told her, I had a court date. And I literally, and I was on a motorcycle, I'm riding and I said, and I told her, hey, now this is June 5th. I found out that I got

to turn myself in. And I found out that I got 90 days. I had to go to 90 days in PDC. So I had to 90 days, like pretty much community service. Yeah. Jail. So, so I told her a week before, you know, just told her and, you know, she was upset, but she was a little hurt. And then, and then so before I went to jail, and I knew that Morgan, me were tight, you know, we're in a relationship and then I set her down with my baby mama and my daughter, because my daughter had been coming over and hanging out and my daughter loves her and everything. So I said, while I'm in jail, I set them both down and I introduced them to each other so that if my daughter wants to hang out with Morgan while I was in jail, my baby mom would know who she is.

Okay. So that happened. So everything's fine, whatever. I go to jail. And then while I'm in jail, my side chicks started hitting up Morgan because I really just put a picture of Morgan on my Facebook and next thing you know all my side chicks. Yeah, yeah, he told me he wanted to be with me. Yeah, he's going to leave you. Yeah, I mean, and again, I told Morgan about it.

And then my baby mama tried to slide tell her like, yeah, he cheated on me all these years. But my baby mama already knew everything. Yeah. But it's not like she could tell her, you know, she knew. Yeah. So I go to jail And then while I'm in jail Yes

Morgan confessed to me That she's stuck with her ex-boyfriend Let's call him Brad Okay So Brad is a guy That she was in a relationship For like three years And it was one type of relationships

That she was It was weird She told me she never loved him And they were just like You know It was, I don't know It was weird They said they never loved each other

But they were in a very serious relationship but I guess he wasn't ready to like grow up and move on because like he he had his own little spot but even though he stayed with her he always you know paid rent at an apartment stuff like that and so he she felt like he never wanted to grow like he just was good where he's at you know coming home play soccer smoke weed play video games that's it mm-hmm you know they never went out on dates or do anything like that right so but the thing is that I but the thing is every time she talked to about him, I would sense, like, that,

you would sense what somebody, like, misses something, or they're like, you know, you could tell when they talk about that person that they light up or, you know, or the demeanor changes. Even though they can't see it, I see it. Yeah. So, like, and then, like, before we got married,

no, we got married, he hit her up and we're like, yeah, he's just using you for your money and this, that, and the other. But she's already kind of, like, done with him. So, you know, we got married, and then for, we got married. Now, oh, yeah, I got to rewind know apart. Now, Morgan, who came and got me, all in Northern Lifestyle, one weekend I took it to Tennessee. And we had a threesome.

Okay. We had a threesome. And I'm like, cool. No, threesome with a man or a woman? A woman, with a woman. Okay. So, you know, I'm like, cool. But then as soon as I put my, put the ring on it, all this shit stops.

Same thing, like your first girl. Oh, like, you know, we try to go to parties and stuff. She always had an issue with people there that is old or nasty or this or that and, you know, the guys are this and it's all, whatever, but I don't know if it's because she had low self-esteem because of her weight or because of how she looked or something like that. I really didn't understand. Yeah. But so we would go to parties and stuff and we just sit there and watch people and I couldn't do anything.

It's kind of like having, it's like a crack head with an eight ball in front of them. You want to touch. You want to taste it. But you can't do anything because if I try to do anything, I'm not trying to, you know, mess up and be going to go home with angry wife. Yeah. Or have the party shut down where she goes ballistic. So, yeah, so it kind of, she kind of, I feel like she kind of been boo-bool me just a slight bit with that one. Mm-hmm.

So we decided. So after that, you know, we got married. everything fine. Now, this Brad guy, he would call every once two or three years he'll call. And like, you know, one time he called and she talked to him and stuff like that and, you know, we're no big deal. I guess I wasn't there. Now, again, all these conversations are never when I'm there. Always when I'm not there. You know, and, you know, he talked to her and stuff like that, and I keep talking to him, you know, more, and he's not, you know, oh, he's fine, he's not a big deal. I'm so okay, whatever. So over the years, we were trying to have babies, we're going,

through messes, you know, I never cheated, but yeah, I had some some not good conversations with people, but nothing to the point where I'm going to see them or cheat on them or whatever like that, whatever. So, and I tried to kind of get back in lifestyle stuff, but she kept coming kind of pushed me away and said, no. So I said, okay, cool. Now, here comes the part where we're at now. And this is what I'm going to say, be careful for all these listeners, that you have to be careful when you do things in the lifestyle or or in all this sex because situations happen

that are out of your control and you got to be careful you got to know the woman that you're with and how they're going to be because what happened to me is so one day Morgan was like you know she just sat there she says you know sometimes I'm just you know I feel like I'm being restricted I feel like I'm just like you know I just can't you know let myself go loose and this, that, and the other. You know, we've been married for like eight years now. So I said, well, how about this? You know, why don't we, you know, open it up, you know,

and get another guy or something like that. I always said another guy. Like, I never really was like, oh, let's get a girl, this, never, because she doesn't, she's not by, she doesn't, you know, women. Yeah. And I said, and I was like, well, why do this? And she was like, now, this happened last year in June,

I brought this up. And so I said, okay, well, let's, you know, let's look, okay. She's okay, well, you know, let's do that. So as soon, I went on pretty fun because I listened to your, see your, that's how I found your show. And I found pretty fun, and I found a guy. Now, here's was crazy. She's like, I don't understand why, you know, you're okay with me, see people other guys. And I'm like, you know, and to me, it's about just sex.

It's about the sex, the physical sex. no to do with feelings that to me has none to do with this and the other, but with her, like a lot of women, some of them have to have an emotional connection with the person sleep with them. Yes. And she is one of those types. But as soon, as soon as I got on free fun and I found a guy and she talked to the guy, she was out the door.

She was like, okay, and gone. I'm gone. Like, she went like to the next town over. and like 10 o'clock at night. And I'm like, damn. Oh, my. I was like, I wasn't prepared to be in a second. Hold on, wait, wait, wait, wait, come on.

No, he's cute. He's fine. He's in the other. And, you know, ball, ball. And I was like, oh, you wait, hold on. You know, because I thought, you know, I was going to be involved. Like, I want to, you know, be there or something. And she's like, well, you know, let me go meet him in a little,

let me go, let me go and a minute. So I was like, well, let me know when you should say. you know, call me, text me, you know, and then she went down there, hung out with him, you know, go out to eat somewhere, and then went to his part because she got drunk or something like that, and didn't tell me nothing. So I didn't know where to go with that. And so when she came home, I was pissed. I was so mad at her. She was like, you got to trust me. It's not like you had some guys out. I didn't know where you're at. You know what I'm saying? Like, you were going to say, I'm the number one suspect. You know what I'm saying? Like, dude.

So we start talking, and now, she said, well, she said, How about Brad? And I said, Morgan, I said, Brad's not a good idea. No, no, he's fine. You know, this is the other. Wait, this is the guy that she cheated on you and fucked when you were in jail. That guy.

That same guy. Yeah, her ex-boyfriend. Wait, I just want to stop you right there real quick because people are going to go check her out on TikTok. And she's been talking about this shit. From what part of the story? Is she already at this point talking about this whole story, like before she meets these guys? Like, when did she start TikTok about it? Oh, it was after. It was after all it's happened. Oh, okay,

okay, okay. So, keep, because people are going to go check out her, just like, rap it about it. It's so funny. Yeah, no, this is, this is, this is, the TikTok is after. Okay, okay. All of it. All right, cool. So now she springs up, let's fuck Brad. Oh, God. Yeah, see, I said, see, he's not a good idea. I'm telling you, you have too many feelings for him. No, you know, I don't love him. And, you know, it's cool, this and the other, you have, he is not a threat to this marriage.

I said, yes, he is. And I said, okay, you know what? I said, fine. I said, but the thing is, I couldn't hear, she could never record for me. She could never, like, you know, let me know anything, you know, let him know that I know, whatever, or whatever.

So she went, wait, but, okay, even though you knew it was a wrong thing to do, she still went ahead with it, and you guys decided that that was okay and she's going to meet up with Brad? Yes, because I said to her, she's like, I can't feel no, like she's told me, she basically she went on a few dates and talked to a few guys, but she says, I don't feel, I feel more comfortable with Brad doing this to anybody. And I said, okay, if it makes you feel comfortable,

and I trust you that this is not going to interfere with our marriage like that, then fine. Okay. Okay. So she said, okay. Right, yes. So she started talking to her on the phone and texting and all this stuff like that. Wait, but I'm going to stick up for more. Wait, wait, wait, wait, but hold on right here, okay? Because I know people are going to start to, this is the point where people listening are going to start to either side with her or side with you and have like very large opinions about this type of situation.

And I have to just say for the guy who's thinking, oh, that bitch knew she wanted to fuck that guy because she liked him and that's why she was doing it. From a girl's perspective, I'm a female. It is a lot easier to go and fuck someone that you used to have feelings for, that you're comfortable with, that you don't have feelings for anymore. Like that definitely could have been the case. It's not that she necessarily at that moment was thinking, I want to go fuck Brad because she liked him.

Like, it can be completely true that she wanted to fuck Brad because she fucked him before. She felt comfortable with him. She doesn't like him anymore. and she knows that he's safe. Okay? No, I'm telling you, from a girl's point, it doesn't matter if she winds up. I don't remember what happens to this story.

And I can't wait because this whole episode is fucking fascinating to me. And I love this story, but I'm just saying that I don't know where, it doesn't matter where it winds up. The intention in the beginning with her saying, like, let me just do it with Brad. It could have, it can be, because I know a lot of people are going to be like, she did that because she was manipulative and she knew she because she liked him.

No, it can absolutely be true that she said, let me go back to Brad because I'm comfortable with him, but she doesn't like him. I completely as a girl understand that and any other girl would. I know that guys are going to be looking at the situation and saying like, oh, this was her fucking master plan. She really still had feelings for him. That's why she wanted to go fuck him. But no, from the girl's standpoint, I understand that she chose him. because she was comfortable and didn't like him anymore. Like I said, I don't know where the story winds up, but that could be true. The only thing I have to say about that, like I told you before, this guy has been trying

to get with her for eight years. I don't care what his intention is. I'm saying her attention. But number two, like I told you, she also, when she talked to him, her demeanor change. She would light up. She would be smiling ear to ear. All right. She would say things like, in the perfect world, I would love to be.

with Brad, you know, if I was to ever cheat on you or do something. This is years before all this. So that's why I said that. Oh, okay. So maybe I should just delete by rant. But I'm not going to leave it in. I don't care for what I'm wrong. I got you.

Yeah, that's cool. Don't do that. No, I'm not going to edit out. I don't mind me sounding like an asshole. I know. Yeah. So, so, so I told her, I would like, so, you know, she convinced me and I said to it and I said, okay, you know, fine.

I said, but just let me know when you're going to do it and things like that. Okay, fine. Now, she went one day, she told me, oh, I'm going to hang out with her friend, Danette. I said, okay, cool. So she went and hung out with her, whatever it was late. She came home. And then she came home and she said, what if I told you I fucked Chad? I was like, well, tell me about it.

How to go? What happened? You know, I'm like all eager, like wanting to know. And she said, no, I didn't. I didn't do it. I didn't do it. I were like, okay, okay, okay. A little bit of let down.

Okay, but if I had did it, what would you have said? I was like, well, I would want to know and let me know how to win, you know, and I've been excited about it. So after leaving that conversation, she left me that conversation, basically saying she never did anything with Brad. So, like that night. Brad or Chad? I feel like you keep changing it. Is his name Brad or Chadder? It doesn't really fucking matter.

Well, my name is Chad, but I'd say Brad. Okay. Okay. So, just say Brad. Okay. So, Brad, so that night, she ended up having sex with me and was telling me like, yeah, yeah, I went to see Brad and doing all this and talking about her whole experience, you know. And the thing is, I'm thinking it's a fantasy, role play, like a fantasy.

Yeah, because she said I had never been with him because you went, right? Right. I'm confused. But it was actually. but it was actually real, what she said to me. Well, I haven't said. Well, why? Did you find out later on?

How did you find out that it was real? Okay. So it actually happened. And so I didn't, at the time, I didn't know that. And then, you know, later on that line, she told me, I did tell you. Yeah, you told you. Yeah, you're right. You did tell me.

Yeah, you told me. Yeah, I'm supposed to know I haven't said what you say was true. So, yeah. So how I found out was this, right? So basically one day, you know, now she had been talking to him for months now. She's been mentioning him from June to September, talking to him, seeing him while I was at work and everything. You know, and so what happened was how I found out was one day I went to her phone and I went to her WhatsApp and she was talking to this other guy in Jamaica that was a friend of hers or whatever. and she had mentioned that she saw Brad and this and the other.

And then I started going through her phone. And then when I went through her phone, I saw that she made a recording about Brad. A recording, what do you mean, talking about him? Is that the one you sent me? Like, yeah, she was talking, yeah, what I said to, she was talking about him. And I had been, and basically the recording was,

and I hear it is where the problem happened. Right. Basically, she was saying that she loves me, but she really loved him. Now, she never, she told me she never said this to him. But basically, she was saying, like, man, you know, when I kissed him, when I kissed Brad, you know what I'm saying? I feel the love. And that, you know, I can't love nobody but him. Um, basically she was saying, like, I wish I were to stuck it out with Brad and made him a better man. And like, my husband is a good provider. And, like, my husband is a good provider. And and everything, but the passion I feel for Brad is more and things like that. So she was saying these things, and then we, you know, and then I confronted her about it. Like I woke up and confronted her about it. And then she found, she says, yes, I went to see him one day and the next day and no, they went to a hotel and they had sex and, you know, and this, that and the other. And then she's like, but I told you, yeah, you told me we were having sex as a count. and then after that I found out

and the same time I also found out she had a threesome with one of her friends with him. I mean, I'm sorry to laugh, but I mean, it is very like drama-filled. Like it just sounds so messy and ridiculous. It's almost funny, but I know it's not funny. Do you know what I mean?

And then she does go on the craziest part of all of this to me because I was getting messages from people like, there's someone on fucking TikTok having this whole situation and they're mentioning your show. And I'm thinking this is all just like made up stuff because it, you know, but then I had her on and you on it. I mean, it's all fucking real, but it's just so messy. Yes. The thing is this, she could have had sex with him.

She could have played with him. All she'd do is let me know. And then the whole time, he's over there saying there's no way that he, what's so crazy is she keeps telling me, oh, you know, he respects our marriage. He, you know, he's not a threat, but yet he's over there telling you don't tell him we're having sex. Don't do this, don't do that.

You know, I know you're trying to have a child. If you leave your husband, I'll give you a baby. You know, I mean, those kind of things. You know, he tries to, he tries to get her to be with him, but yet she's always defending him come out. No, he respects our marriage. No, he don't.

And he basically says, he says, I wouldn't matter. with a married woman, but for you, I make the exception. So, you know, they have more of a connection than I do with my wife. But the thing is, like, there's one thing that has a connection when you see someone every once in a while. But when you're in the trenches of, like, when you're sick or you're hurt or bills or this and that, you know, that's different.

And the thing is, like, yeah, so the thing is that all this happened, I found out she had three stuff, and I also found out she saw them again a third time, and it all, you know, it all just blew up. I mean, it was crazy. It was absolutely crazy. So there was a situation that happened. She went to Maine for Christmas or no, New Year's. So I went to the club.

And I met this girl. All right. This is when you got back to at her. I remember her telling me about this. Yeah, it was a club. And I went to his hotel with this girl. And I broke that girl down. I mean, I felt the confidence back.

You know, I really had fun. A lot of fun, you know. But the thing is, it was. fun and I was this, and I made this girl, I was the best she ever had. I mean, put it in this way. There was two beds because her and her friend was there, but a friend went home with another guy, I soaked, she was one of squatters, I soaked her bed on top, put the mattress over, and then got that bottom side wet, went to her friend's bed, got it wet, and then

took her bed over. Oh, my gosh. But you had never cheated on Morgan, but let me ask. you this as a former cheater. You had always been faithful to this girl. And now this is your first time cheated. Interesting. Yes. And I went to the, man, I went to the

gusto. I mean, I made sure. But to be honest with you, it was, it was fun, it was good, it was awesome, but it was still empty. Because the only reason why I'm doing this is because I'm mad at her. Yeah. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And so,

and then there was another girl, Laura, which this put this way, this situation, this girl, I haven't seen this girl 11 years. This is before I met Morgan. And I had sex with her one time. When I got back when I said talking to her, she told me she loved

me. She told me she wanted to be with me. She was the perfect person in a lifestyle, perfect, everything I was wanting in a lifestyle. I could have had with her. But the problem is that it's kind of hard for me to understand how a woman falls in love with you

when you've only met him one time. And they still say that after 11 years. that was a big red flag. But, and I met the girl while Morgan was gone. I brought it to the house. I had sex with her at my, at the house, and the girl got mad because the girls was watching morning as TikTok and she was like telling me like, yeah, you should leave her. But I know it was just a game with her to try to get me out of that situation.

And the girl was mad that I didn't get D with her, so she told Morgan that I had sex with her at our house. Well, you did. I mean, and you were doing it to get back at Morgan, so you kind of got what you wanted. I mean, that's pretty sloppy of you. You're almost like begging to be caught when you take her fucking home and your girls on, and your girls blasting out all your stuff already at this point on TikTok. I mean, you're just kind of like on some level you probably wanted her to know. I mean, come on.

Yeah, but I did. But the thing is, and she was on a faithful side shake, by the way. And so, but, you know, the thing is that it didn't, when she found out, it didn't affect her like I thought it would. And then so everything happened. We tried to work it out. And I said, okay, look, don't ever talk to this guy again. Now, this happened. I found that in October.

She was kind of talking to him, like his mom died and they talked and then the other. And then when she got back, you know, she was kind of looking for a condo with him, you know, whatever. her, but she's like, no, you know, I'm going to work out with my husband. So we got back together. I told her, I said, look, don't talk to this guy. Don't, you know, don't text him and don't. I said, if you talk to this guy, our marriage is over. She's, okay, I'm not stupid.

I'm not first grade. I understand. Fine. Tell me why I found out that she talked to him again, and not only talked to him, she slept with him again. When is this? Yeah, go on. Sorry.

And then, like, and then, and I was like, really? And she was like, you don't understand this and the other. It's hard to leave and this, that, the other. And I'm sitting here like, but the whole time, she don't want me to play. She don't want me to do nothing. She won't me to go nowhere. But she's all, but she's with this guy. And then I said, okay, fine.

That's it. That's over. Fine. So we had a big major move, right? We had a major move. And we were moving from Atlanta to Houston. I said, okay. And she's like, look, I want to, you know, I'm getting him some speaker and some clothes, whatever.

I want to say goodbye. I said, okay, cool. And I knew she was on a period. I said, cool. So she went to see him, had lunch, she gave him stuff and said goodbye, fine. Then I find out she went back like the next day while I was at work and slept with him one last time before moving. Of course. I mean, come on.

You guys, I sound like so immature. This sounds like, she sounds like. shit that 14-year-olds deal with? How old are you guys? She's 40, 42. This is too old for this. 46. Yeah.

Yeah, and the thing is, I didn't go around my, I didn't, I didn't go around my exes and something like that and say goodbye sex to them. You should have. You should have. I know what? I was too nice of a guy. Because one time, there was a time we met this couple. You're not that nice of a guy.

Come on. You've been cheating on every girl. No, no. You cheated on her in your house with some of your old side chicks to get her back. I mean, who's, I mean, come on. Well, yeah, yeah, but she had not started first. And the thing is this, the thing is, like, one time there was this couple we met. And this girl was, I mean, she was cute and I wanted to date her.

But her boyfriend was like, eh, and he was literally nauseous and stuff like that. And the girl was like, look, you know, I'll have sex with you. but you're a woman has that sex with my man. But Morgan wasn't really feeling, you know, filling him. And I could tell. But Morgan was like, hey, look, you know, if you really want her, I'll have sex with him. And, you know, I'm not going to do that, you know, because, you know, I don't want to, you know, hurt your feelings and so I didn't do that. I wish I would have done it now that I knew all this shit now.

I wish I'd have done it because she didn't care about feelings with this person, Brad. And that's and the other. And the thing is this, if it was just sex, that would be fine. but the thing she was saying was very dangerous to me because she was like saying like, you know, if he told me to stay that I'll leave my husband for him

and she told me that she was just caught up her feeling. That's what she was. That's what happened. Listen, Morgan, I'm just going to tell you straight up. Morgan is complicated. Like they're, you know, the girl that's shows up late to the first date and then lays next to you but won't let you fuck her and is having these weirdo like

you know, rules be way be, for so long before you could sleep together and then has this other thing going, you know, there's a lot of complication. There's a lot of stuff there to weed through there. Nothing is clear here. Do you understand? Not from the day one. But the only good thing about is this.

It made me realize when she wasn't asleep with me, it made me really see her for somebody else. And that was one, that's one of the things that made me fall in love with her, number one. Number two, she waited for me. Even though she's open her ex-boyfriend like twice, she still waited for me, I was in jail. She wrote me every day. She took care of my daughter all the whole time I was gone. Yeah.

So she was, I mean, for me to go for only one month to take care of my daughter and write me and send me money for 90 days, I can, you know, to me, you know, I can kind of, I can look past the sleep on her ex-boyfriend for, you know, for twice, whatever. But it's just, really what bothered me was this for eight years. And here's the thing kind of what bothered me the most. We were together for eight years, right? And we love each other. And she was with her ex-boyfriend for only three months.

And she was in love with him that fast, that caught up. It made me feel bad that my relationship was so bad that a guy could come and just sweep her off her feet. And she fell in love and said the thing she said that fast. But we were together for eight years. That was really bothered me and hurt me. Well, how long was she with him before you? I mean, this was somebody that she had a pass. Okay, so she had a pass with him, but she was also seeing him the whole time,

kind of like she dated him three years before, but it sounds kind of like they never lost touch. So that relationship was never really over. Well, they lost touch for eight years when we were together. You know, she talked to like once or twice. That's it. Well, they were talking to each other all the time. And she also told me that, and yeah, she also told me that, you know, they weren't really in love.

I mean, they never said they loved each other. And, you know, he had his own spot. And they would break up and get back together and things like that. And, you know, and then one day she went to Florida for vacation, cheat on him with, cheat on him. And she came home and told him he got all pissed off. But she's like, why? Why are you mad? You know, we're not together like that.

Yeah, I remember being. You do your own thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember being very confused when I talked to her about, I mean, she's not very clear in what she does. I mean, people have to go listen to her episode because it was as confusing as this one. What I need to know is where are you guys right now as far as a couple of. ball situation. Oh, we're fine now because the thing is that we moved to Houston.

So we're like 12 hours away from him. You know what I'm saying? Plus, he's in a relationship with another woman anyway. So he has a woman that he's doing for five years. You know, and he has two kids by two other women. So, you know, to me, it's like we're away from it so she can't run and go see him. So it's kind of like saying, it's kind of like saying instead of, you know, to me, It bothers me a little bit that we had to move for you to stop seeing him versus you stop seeing him because it hurt me.

Didn't she cheat? She cheated on him too when she was with him, right? One time, but according to them, they weren't together like that, and they would break up or stuff like that. And it wasn't like that. But the thing is, like I said, to give everybody warning, you've got to be careful. Like, I hear your show, and I actually get jealous and envy some of these guys. that have women who are like, look, it's sex, and that's it, I come home to you, I tell you about it, and we, you know, and you reclaim me or whatever, we have fun.

No man likes women to come home and be like, yeah, you know what, I should have left, I should have stayed with the other guy and I should have, you know what I'm saying, and, you know, and that person, my soul ached for him and stuff like that. No man wants to hear that, you know, no man has turned on about that. You know, I'd rather her come home and say, God, he, He did me so good. My gosh, it was so good. Like, you know, it was the best or whatever.

So then I have motivation to be better, you know, but you can't motivate, but I can never say, man, I want your soul to belong to me, not him. You know, that's a little bit, that's a little bit harder. That's a little bit different. You know what I'm saying? You can't really, you know, some certain situations, you can't outbeat somebody because of that. Yeah, but I would say that what you guys have going on is not typically what I hear. I hear from a lot of people that it's much less messy than this.

This is to me not like a hot wife. I know that I called her a hot wife. Like this situation that you guys have set up is not like swingers gone wrong. It's like cheating. It's just it's more so like she cheated on you and this is what happened. You know what I mean? And then you cheated on her. I mean, the fact that you are trying to open up this relationship

to be okay with it. It just doesn't sound like you can be okay with it because the person that she did go to fuck, you weren't fine with. But then she didn't tell you about it, which is fucked up on her part. I just remember being equally as confused with the whole situation when I talked to her.

I know, but she didn't. Let me ask you this. I know, but let me ask you this. Now, you guys moved. She's away from Chad and Brad and the same fucking guy. You don't have your side checks. How long have you been moved away from where you? We have five minutes left to talk.

I want to like wrap this up. For a month, you've only been away from everything for one month. Right. Do you still plan on having an open relationship with each other? I'm, you know what? To be honest with you, I don't know. Because right now, I know that she is a type of person that needs feelings. Because what's so weird is that before she told me,

always about, yeah, I went to the mall, saw this guy, and we fucked in the car. So, you know, she's capable of doing stuff like that. She's told me in her past. You know, she's had sex with a father and a son and stuff like that. So she's had, you know, times where it's not about feelings. When I open this up again, I really kind of doubt it because I'm just afraid of her feelings. Her feelings are very strong. And I'd just rather than not right now.

Maybe down the road, you know, but, you know, maybe I have a child. No, but opening it up not for Brad, but for randoms. You're saying, oh, when I asked you, are you going to open it back up, you're thinking with Brad? You should never fucking open it up with Brad. No, hell, no, no, no, no, no, no, Brad. But the thing is she has had dates and she has gone with other people, but they just never, never panned out because of Brad. Because Brad was always there. So, but I don't think, right now, as I see, I don't see myself opening up this marriage,

time soon. But can you trust her? And can she trust you? Well, she can trust me because I can have sex with somebody and not have no feelings. It's just her. It's about the feelings. It's all about the feelings. As long as it is just we go somewhere, we have sex, we come home, great.

But going out and loving on each other and y'all go on dates and stuff like that, that's not going to be good right now. But even if she's having sex without feelings, but isn't it an issue when she doesn't tell you and then she winds up telling you later, and you don't really, you're not finding out when it happens.

Like, is that an issue or is that okay? Well, the thing is this, as long as she tells me, but I think the, I think the thing is the whole excitement for her is not me knowing. Right. That's part. It doesn't, yeah. That's cheating sex. But that's cheating sex.

That's not hot wife sex. That's cheating sex. I know. You're right. So. That's not hot wife in scenarios. Right. And I try to take it to parties and stuff, but the problem is,

a lot of people are not, she's not attracted to nobody at parties and stuff like that. She actually finds those repulsive. So, you know, she's going to be more of a one-on-one or something like that. But maybe down the road, if I see a guy or something like that, and I talk to a guy, maybe that will happen and do that. And let me take the point on it and not her. Right. What is your ultimate, what is your guy's hope for your relationship?

Do you guys have kids, by the way? No, we're trying to have. kids. Okay. So, and you want to stay together? Yeah, basically she says if I can give her a child, I really have to worry about her going nowhere. So maybe if I have a child with her, then I can, we can really, you know, maybe open up now. Oh my God. This really is like, it's so confusing. It's like a Jerry Springer episode. Okay. I'm really serious. I enjoy it because I like talk shows and I like stories and I like craziness. It's hard to keep track of. I, What I love is...

If she just told me, it was fine. If she just told me from the beginning, she said, I was excited. If she just told me, all those probably would have been... Would have been fine. Is she still TikToking about this shit? No.

Here the thing. Her TikTok, she's made two or three TikTok, you know, pages, but they get shut down. Really? Yeah, they keep shutting her down. So, yeah, TikTok is annoying. I stop TikTok because once that stuff happened,

I'm just like, I'm not going to bother. You know what I mean? you just wind up, you could build this whole thing and then they shut you down. It's such bullshit. Let me tell you her episode was highly... Yeah, her episode was highly listened to. People loved it. Did you listen to it?

Yes, I did. How did you feel about her side of things? Her side of things put her in a light that was not quite that, you know... A lot of it was correct, but some of it was... I hope my story, you know, fill some gaps because some of the stuff she said is not quite what it seems. Well, how do you think she's going to feel when she hears this?

Are you going to let her hear this? Does she know you're calling in with your side now? Nope. She does not. That's why I've waited so long. What do you mean? She does not. She doesn't know.

Well, are you going to let her listen to it? Do you want her to hear it or do you not want her to hear it? I mean, I don't care if she hears it that. I'm not going to want to tell her. I'm going to tell her. If she finds out, she finds out. but I'm not going to tell her. I want her to find out of her home.

Okay, well, I... No, you can't tell it, Kathy. I mean, I don't... I won't tell her, of course not. No, I don't mess with shit. I like to just see it happen, though. Well, she told me I should go on your show and tell my side. Yeah.

And she's already told me to tell you. And that's why I emailed you. But I want to give it some time to let it kind of die down and also seeing what's going to happen at the end. That's why I'm telling you. you now that we moved, so therefore there's no more Brad. But I wanted to know, I wanted you tell the whole story. Yeah, and people are going to go crazy.

Because people went nuts about this whole story on YouTube. I remember that. She got a lot of heads. People really wanted to hear your side of the story. I think a lot of people saw through and were on your side, and they're going to love hearing your story because it's more against her, you know? Her story was more like on her side. I still found problems with her.

I find problems with all of your guys' story, okay? No one's like innocent in this. No, no. Yeah, no. I would love eventually to give you both a counseling session with you on the phone together because I just don't. It just sounds like such a fucking mess. It's so confusing.

I'm hoping that where you are new, like you could work things out, I think, you know, I don't know why the life, I don't think the life. I don't think the lifestyle or getting into it is like the end-all be-all for you guys. I don't know. I don't even know that you want my advice or anything, but I think that I wouldn't be surprised if there are some trust issues on both sides. Do you feel like, because you did say that she said like, oh, I'm not in love with Brad. Like, I mean, I wish I loved you the way I love Brad.

Like, I mean, do you feel like you have a good relationship and you were happy in this relationship with your wife, Morgan? Yes, what's so crazy was, what's so crazy was this? When she was sleeping with him, and I didn't know, but I knew she was like dating and going out, I was giving her sex every day. Like I was loving on her, holding her, kissing her, doing everything, like, so passionate. I mean, I was like, you know, and then I found out the whole time she was with him. I'm just like, damn, you know. But, you know, it's just now that all of a sudden, you know, we're in a better spot, a better place,

do have flare-ups sometimes because something remind me or trigger me or things like that. Like, she'll text me and says, I'm thinking about you. I miss you. But I'm like, well, you also said the same thing to him, you know, before that you missed him at the same time. Like, when she'll send me a picture of her,

I don't know if she's in it for me, for me or for him. Oh, my God. Both of the same picture. Yeah. So, like I said, you guys sound like 14-year-olds, but you're 40-year-olds, which is very It's confusing. I'm glad you're still happy with her and want to stay with her. I mean, this would be like divorce time for a lot of other couples.

I'm surprised that you guys are just like, yeah, this is where I'm going to hang my hat. I don't know how you guys trust each other because it does sound so dysfunctional. But I love that you do. I think that's great. You want to try and make it work. I, you know, I give you credit for that. And I'd like to, you both to call in next, like in December at the end of the year. We'll see where you are, okay?

I hope she finds this episode. I'm not going to email her about it. I hope she finds it because we're not hiding that you're not Morgan's husband, right? I mean, it's going to be... No, no, no, no, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, like, I hope that I hear from the both of you next. And maybe, like I said, I could give you some counseling.

But good luck with everything. This is super confusing, but I find it entertaining. Yeah, I hope your audience finds it very entertaining. I think they will. Send me some anonymous picks if you can, okay? Okay, I definitely can do that. All right, awesome. Thanks so much, Jay for calling.

Do I just text it to you? Yeah. I just text it to you or email to you. Either one is fine. Okay. All right, cool. Okay, that's great, Kathy. Good luck.

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