Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 533 - Bob on the Inside World of Swinging: the Good, the Great and the Ugly

Episode Date: September 26, 2022

Bob knows all about the inside world of swinging and he called in to talk all about the good, the great and the ugly parts of it. When did he and his wife start swinging? How and why were they able to be successful at swinging? And, why did most of the couples they swung with didn't last? Tune in to find out plus hear all about how his bragging about what they were into got him into trouble, all the people they bumped into from their vanilla world while swinging, the celebrities they saw there as well, what really goes down at the Red Rooster swingers club in Vegas, why him and his wife never really discussed what they did afterwards, the time he wound up in a porn movie and why he was picked, his d*** size and why he cant admit he's well hung, why they always enjoyed swingers parties over swingers clubs, the gangbang he had and how and why he kept losing his wedding ring, the time his wife cuckolded him and why he wasn't into it, why they stopped swinging, his current fantasies he wants to try and how he should bring them up to his wife and a whole lot more. **To see anonymous pics of most of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I was excited to talk to Bob because he had sent me an email with a lot of like crazy stories that were involved and he gives you those crazy stories but he did have like this overall thing where he wanted to talk about how like swinging isn't really that great but yet here's a guy who has been swinging for like 10 years or longer I mean he was swinging with his wife from the get-go and he talks about it but he does talk about the pitfalls he him and his wife were successful but they did see many other couples not being successful and many other couples falling out of the lifestyle because it really didn't work for them. That's what he wanted to talk about, but we mostly talked about how his swinging experiences really did work. They're hilarious stories,

entertaining stories, hot stories. He talks about, you know, how, uh, one of the downfalls that they had is he blabbed about being in the lifestyle because he couldn't keep his mouth shut, because he was so happy that he was living out like every guy's fantasy on the regular. And he had to go tell everyone about it. And that was, there was backlash for that when other people found out. But he talked about how they started, what they did, where they live and how they have bumped into a lot of people. Okay, specific people. He talks about who he bumped into in his neighborhood or where they swing. And I'm like, do a lot of people live there that are swingers? Because it's like he bumped into more people than I've ever heard. And it turns out that where he lives, there are a lot of swingers.

He talks about that. He talks about going to the Red Rooster in Vegas and his experiences there with some celebrities. He doesn't out anybody's names or anything. But it turns out or it sounds like from him that a lot of newscasters are into swinging. His wife has bang some. But he talks about some like hookups and the Red Rooster. He's got this whole weird thing about his big dick. Okay.

This guy has a big dick. But for some reason, he doesn't want to cop to it. We have a whole conversation, though, about his dick. He talks about how the time he was in a documentary about swinging because he is multi-orgasmic. He did it on the DL like he was like wearing a mask, but he did do some porn one time. He talks about like a funny experience he has is like, you know, this wedding ring up this girl's ass. He did a gang bang and somehow his wedding ring kept falling into or staying in or getting lost in some girl's ass. You just have to listen to the fucking story.

It's hilarious, you know. But he talks about that. He talks about what his wife liked, what they were into, why they don't do it anymore. There was a time where she cuckled him. He talks about how he didn't like that. And then at the end, he talks about, like, his fantasies and what he still wants to live out and why, because they stopped having that kind of sex, what he's still looking for. And I give him some advice because he was looking for advice and all that good stuff.

It is super entertaining to listen to him. I laughed a lot. I thought he was fucking funny. He has a weird way of communicating. He does talk about how that can be a problem in their relationship and they have never talked about anything, kind of. And it's funny because I edited out all the noise in this episode, but he was like constantly making noise while we were talking.

And I kept having to tell him, like, stop making that noise. And he never listened to me. And I was like, you know, this just goes in line with his whole vibe. But he's cool. and he's like funny and he's got a great story and you're going to enjoy it. I'm hoping to get his girl on the phone, his partner, his wife. She knows he's calling into the show. But anyway, I'm just going to be right back on with Bob.

Hi, Bob. Welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast. Hurry today. I'm fine. How about yourself? I'm good. I'm a little excited to talk to you, Bob, because typically I don't like to know that much about a person's story.

Some people tell me a little bit more than others beforehand. When I referred back to your email to be like, who the fuck am I talking to? Because, you know, I spoke to like two other people already today. I was like, every paragraph you wrote in your email was like

another fascinating, hilarious story. So I can't wait to hear them all. I was like writing them down because I'm like, I don't want him to forget any of these. I mean, it involves swinging and betrayal and porn and gangbings and I mean but funny stories surrounding all of those as well as serious stories. Like I said, there's betrayal in there. I mean, you and your wife have been swinging for a long time, and you have seen the good of it,

but you've also seen the bad side of it as well. Correct? Yeah, that's correct. And I've listened to several, well, many of your podcasts, and I've noticed that when it comes down to the swinging or the group sex type of thing where everybody's always talking about how much fun it is and what they've done and there are sexual exploits. And I've never really heard anybody actually put up a warning or some sort of say, hey, dude, pump your brakes for you do this.

It may be detrimental to your marriage or to your relationship. So that's what I always wanted to come on and maybe share a little bit about what I've done the mistakes that I've made. I've made so many mistakes over the last 15 years of doing this type of thing where maybe I could shed some light on the situation before he builds does the same mistakes that I do. Yeah, I love that. And I know that you had said that out of all the couples that you met in the lifestyle

or that you started with, I don't know what the exact phrase was, but that you and your wife are the only ones still together. The other ones didn't make it. That's a true. It's a true story. After you do this for a while, you get like a core group of couples and people that you party with all the time. And I think that we had probably about six or seven couples at average that we used to play

with the party with. And the funny part about it is after you do this for a couple of years, you actually stop partying with them, playing with them in that way, and you just become regular friends. Yeah, I've heard that. Have you heard this before? Yeah, totally. Oh, now we eat the barbecue with them and their kids come and they, you know, blah, blah, blah. You're like, yeah.

Exactly. But then there's also that there's also the part where you have to worry about if there is tight-lived as you are because once you get older, your kids grow up and your kids might hear something. Or their kids might converse with your kids. And it's very stressful and it's very taxing our relationship. That's interesting. What happened was, yeah, so what happened was in our situation where we had all these different couples that we party with. And one by one, the relationships fell to either cheating.

Some of them actually, some of the women actually end up turning tricks on the side. Can you believe? Yeah, and then it's crazy because, and 90% of the time, it's always if one spouse has a boyfriend or a girlfriend, that always screws it up. So, you know, a lot of times we were partying with a couple and the girl had a boyfriend on the side and the guy was totally cool with it and she was cool with it. But after that relationship ran its course and they got tighter and tighter and tighter with the boyfriend or the girlfriend, then eventually just destroyed the marriage and they could do with it. So I've seen it happen many times.

Yeah, I can imagine. Yeah, and when people aren't like 100% positive on what they're doing, And the the pitfalls of what this whole lifestyle is about, there's no reason why any couple should do this. You know, you should try. Just cheat on your... Just cheat on your barter. Oh, my God.

I love your advice. It says the guy who's been fucking swinging for 15 years. But wait a second. Let me ask you this, though. Okay. Now, you and your wife are still together. Did you guys have any rules of regulations about not having boyfriends or girlfriends or girlfriends or did you also have boyfriends and girlfriends

on the side? We did not and the reason what for that is is like I can barely keep one woman happy alone more than that's what I think yeah totally I was never understanding of like polyamorous people I'm like it's like so much fucking work it's hard enough to love one person yeah that was never that was never an issue for either one of us um it was uh more it was just because we because I guess because we saw what were happening to our other friends in that regard and we never talked about it but we never we never said hey let's do this or let's not do that he was just never never spoken about really well what were your guys downfall like what what kind of ways did you mess up that you want to warn others about telling me in my mouth like an idiot um i thought and to a certain

extent, I still kind of think that there's other people out there that understand what you're doing and that will not try to take advantage of you or your situation. Yeah. If you're doing this, if you're doing this, this is the 0.01% of people in this world that do this. And we are definitely the minority. So even though on your podcast There's many people that think they're like There's we're way

We're so few that People look at you down They take you for granted They make funny by your back And then at the worst That's the worst The best case is they try to fuck your They try to sleep with your spouse behind your back

Which has happened to me With your fucking boss Yeah my boss Yeah my boss stepped up to my wife And my wife did not I made the mistake I'm not telling my wife And then my boss steps up to her

And she's like, what the fuck you do and telling people that we're doing this? Now that he's trying to bang me. And it was a whole, it was a bad situation. Oh, my goodness. And then, and then, and then so that's the crux of the mistakes that I made. And it went on and then people tell people and then my family found out about it. And friends found out about it. And I'm not to talk about, you know, peripheral friends.

I'm talking about close friends. And it was just a bad situation. all along and I've been dealing with it people at work found out about it my employees down out of that my boss found out about it so it just been about it it was just the situations I put myself in my marriage

in I'm surprised I'm still married but that's just keep if you're going to do it keep your mouth shut why do you think that you couldn't keep your mouth shut is it just because you're just that kind of person you kind of like very open and honest

I was so happy I was so happy and proud of myself that I convinced my wife to do this, that I just couldn't keep my out shit. You were bragging. And it's a, yes, yes, yes, yes. And even between the couples, when we're partying and we're at a club or a party and the guys will be sitting around

and then they'll just look at each other, do you, can you believe that we do this? This is amazing. Like other guys would kill themselves of being their position right now. Yeah. Like, before I started doing this, after I got married, my biggest, my biggest fantasy was just to watch two girls together.

Yeah. And now it's, that's like a, it's like a Monday morning occurrence. Like, you know, getting blown by four girls at the same time is like, it's like common for me. And like before this, I was never a freak. I was never, you know, I was never anything like that before I started doing this. It's an addicting thing where it could ruin people's relationships. Really, it is. It's totally addicting. Because you just want more and more.

Is that what it is? Because now you go from like, oh, you've seen that top of the mountain which you thought was two girls and now that you've had four girls and now what's fucking next? Yes, exactly right. But wait, let me ask you. And I think it's it. Yeah, go on. Go ahead.

No, no, I was just going to say, I was going to agree with you. But let me ask you how you guys started. I mean, how did you go from the guy that was dying to see two girls hook up to having four girls blowing you with your wife being one of them. So we had watched an episode, I believe it was real sex on HBO, and there was an episode where a couple was going to Las Vegas to a club

where they could either have sex and have people watch them or they could watch other people have sex and they have sex on their own. It was a sex club. It was a swingers club, pseudo-swears club. And I know at the time, know what club it was, but I did a little bit of research, and I found a Swingers Club in Las Vegas, because we're always in Las Vegas. That was our favorite vacation spot. Right.

And just recently, I felt like maybe two episodes ago. There was a guy that mentioned the place in Las Vegas told the Red Rooster. Yeah, yeah. And he was talking about the Red Rooster, like it was some sort of a really, really nice place. Like that, the place is a whole. Well, you know, you know what he made it sound like it was a fucking someone's house? Like, maybe was a shitty house. I don't know that even, I said it was like a beautiful house. Yeah, it's a house. No, it's not a weird. It's a house. Yeah. So I went, we went to the, we did this maybe 18 years ago. And it was a house in the middle of, it was a house in the middle of nowhere, the middle of the desert. But over the years, over the years, the urban sprawl has has creeped into them more and more and more.

And now they're in a regular neighborhood, literally, a regular neighborhood where guys parking in their driveway. going in and going into a sex club. Can you imagine living across street from a sex club? And like, what are those people doing? These girls walk in there with platform shoes on. Oh, my God. I wonder if the neighbors go. They have to.

They have to. So I found this place in Las Vegas. And this is the first place that we went. And this, okay, so I'm, I'm not a 10. My wife's not a 10. I'm not a 9. My wife's not a 9. But we're attractive.

We're above average attractive people. I guess. And we went there and there's, it's just old people. It's just a really old people. And it's a really old situation. And if you go there, if you're an eight or a nine and you go in there, you're, you did the, they have single guys too. Yeah.

So the people that step up are in the, or like countless people will step up. You can't leave your wife or your girlfriend alone at the bar. You go to the back and you come back. There's 12 guys around trying to. the truck head on. Now, some couples are into this that type of thing. And we're not opposed to, we weren't opposed to it at the time to hook it up with a single guy. But when there's, you know, when there's six, seven dudes hitting on your girlfriend and you just go to take a leak, it gets, it gets me much. So that was our first experience that we got, how we got into it. And

incredibly enough, that wasn't enough to dissuader from continuing and trying to find some other clubs, which we did eventually. How old were you guys at that time? Because you said, like, all the people that were hitting you up were super old. What were you guys like in your late 20s, early 30s? I was probably 29 or 30. It was right after I got married. Okay. Now, how long were you and your girl dating each other that you, like, were comfortable enough to be like, let's go fuck other people? Well, we never see. That's another thing. We never, I hear you talk to people about these

couples that are, they negotiate and they talk about this for years, go out, and they dip their toe in the water. And I was like, that's totally not, yeah, it's totally not what we did. Literally, it was like, he checked. I saw the, saw the thing on HBO. I say, check the cell. Man, that'd be bitchy to go out and have someone watch have sex, huh? She's like, I don't know, I guess, so we'll try it out if you want. I go, okay, let's try it out. And like that night, you know, like that next weekend, we're in Vegas and there's 12 guys. trying to bang my wife and she's like, what the hell are you getting me into? It's crazy.

So anyways, that place, the Red Rooster is, it is a very, very popular and it's a, it's a staple of the Las Vegas lifestyle. And there are a lot of people that go there. And don't get me wrong, we still went there many, many, many, many times over the years. But it's really, it's not, when you go there for newbies that go there, they're going to be turned off. They're going to say, this is what it's all about, man. This is crazy. I don't want to do that this anymore, so they don't come back. Yeah, I unfortunately think that that's like the stigma or that's what most people think the swinging lifestyle is, is like a lot of like perverts,

meaning those single guys all lining up to fuck your wife. And old people, you know, I think it gets a bad rap a lot of times. I think that's a stereotype is what I'm trying to say. Don't you think? And it's, absolutely, absolutely. And with that, it's just a, there's so many politics, dues and don'ts, and rules in, regarding the lifestyle, what not to do, when to do it, what not to do it. And just trying to navigate for a new couple to try to navigate through all those situations, it does become overwhelming at times.

Like, when you're out of the club, it's really, when you're at a club with other couples, without any single guys. It's really about the women. The women will get together and they'll talk and then they'll set up to playtime and then they'll approach the man and say, look, we're going to go play. Do you guys want to come down with us and so forth?

So the men is really, it's kind of cool being a guy because you just have to sit back and wait for your girl to make the connection with the other girl. Now, if you were a, let's say that you were a guy or a single guy and that you wanted to get with a couple at a club, You would never approach, you wouldn't, it's not the smart thing to do to approach the girl. You would approach the other guy and say,

Hey, yeah, I like, you know, I think your wife's cute, you know, and then the guy would talk to his wife and say, are you down for this and so forth? Right. That's the biggest mistake the guy's way because they wait until the other guy walks away, and then they hit him the girl when they should be really just talking to the other guy and set it up that way. Now, I do know that you have seen a ton of people you knew while out and about. always ask people that question because I think it is always interesting and I always believe

like it's a small world that what happens if you do bump in someone that it most likely will happen. I know you bumped into a lot of people, right? Yeah, this is, this is another one of the bad parts of swinging. It's like the third time we went out to the rest of the store. I can't believe I'm going to have to title this like Bob's bad side of swinging. I can't. It's so bad. But anyway, go on. It's not all bad. But if you know what the, what to look for it. Yeah. So like the third time we went out to the Red Rooster, we really weren't doing nothing that crazy at the rooster because it was, it wasn't a very, it wasn't a very sanitary place. But we'd go out there and make connections. And we went out there like the third time and

my mother's best friend walked into the club. Oh my God. And, and I was, we were standing there and she saw me and her face turned white and she turned right and ran right back out the door again and I think she never actually contacted my mom again. I think that that was the last time that my mom ever heard of her. Wow. I asked my mom several years later, I go, hey, was she in anything weird that you know of? And my mom's like, what are you talking about?

I don't know what you're talking about. I couldn't say exactly what it was. And then, but she's like, no, no, I don't think she's in anything weird. So that was one, that was the first part. And then back in the state where we live, we went to, like, one of the most popular clubs in the country, I would assume. I'm not going to say what the name of the club is because people know what state I live in. Okay. But one of the most popular clubs in the country, we went there.

That was our regular club when we went out to clubs. That's where we normally win. And so we saw, oh boy, who did we see? We saw one of my employees, a female employee was there, and she was mortified. I took her aside. I said, look, she was a direct subordinate to me. And I said, look, I'm not going to tell anybody. Don't tell them about me.

It's between us. And I kept that promise, but she was mortified. And it was a bad situation to work after that. I saw another male person that worked in another department there. That was cool. That really caused me trouble. my wife saw two of her senior managers at two different times at the club. Oh my God.

It's funny, though, because I hate to say it. Wait, I'm sorry, I've interrupted you. You did say, you did start out saying, like, this is like the 1%, the littlest amount of people were the minority, but yet here you are in a town and you're bumping into like so many people you know. I mean, I guess where you live, everybody's a fucking swear. And that's the truth. And if I wish that I could say where I live, it's on the western side of the country.

Okay, but it is very popular, like a lot of, like heavily populated with swingers? Yes. Okay, interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was probably, there was probably at 1.7 or 8 clubs within the 50-mile radius of my house. Oh, okay.

So it was like where most of them live or a lot of them are heavily populated. Interesting. So wait, so your wife's senior managers or senior people at her work too. Yeah, yeah. And that was a, she wasn't too worried about that. It didn't cause a big rift. But they did talk at one point.

And obviously, they tried to sleep with her. Obviously, they're guys. So they tried it. But it didn't work. She passed on that. Didn't she wind up with a well-known newscaster too? Well, there was actually three people, three celebrities that we encountered. And there was, so there was a, there was a channel four reporter out of Los Angeles.

He was there and he stepped up to my, he was stepping up to my wife and I walked by and I looked at it and I said, hey, aren't you so-and-so? And he goes, yeah, I go, you're on channel four, right? He goes, yeah. And I said, aren't you worried about being here? Yeah. He's like, no. It doesn't concern you at all? He goes, no.

So we talked to, you know, it turned out that he wasn't even there with his wife or his girlfriend. He was there with an escort. Wow. And, yeah. And that's another common thing that I didn't talk about before. There's guys that don't, they show up with, with, there's guys that show up cheating on their wives or girlfriends. with someone else that cheating on their wife or girlfriend. There are people to show up with just friends.

They're just colleagues, escorts. Guys will do anything they can to get in these clubs to party and check this out. When we first started doing this, you had to have a girl to get in. After about several years where they weren't getting enough couples in to pay the bills, so then they had to start letting single guys in, and then they charge it like 150 bucks to get in rather than the normal fee that the couples would have to pay. back to the celebrity. So your wife wound up with that channel for a news reporter? No, no, no, no. She turned him down. She was like, now I'm not into you, whatever. I'm going to move on.

But going back to the Red Rooster, this is one of the one times that we actually pointed to the Red Rooster, but we were out there at the Red Rooster in Las Vegas. Once again, this is the place that's kind of run down in the middle of the neighborhood. And there was a guy there, do you know who Stone Phillips is? Yeah. Okay, so there was a guy This wasn't Stone Phillips But he resembles Stowe Phillips Real square jaw Really good looking

Really handsome guy Like way more handsome than I am And my wife was like My wife was checking him out And she's like And that guy is fucking hot And I said Do you want him?

And she's like yeah But he had a friend there with him And the friend was younger A younger kid Good look like a kid No nothing wrong with him But my wife was in the other guy So I stepped up to the guy

I go, hey, dude, my wife really thinks you're hot, dude. You want to party, whatever you don't play. And he goes, yeah, but, yeah, I'll party with you guys, no problem. But I can't leave my friend here. So, which was really kind of a strange because I've never seen two guys that were friends, where we're just platonic friends at a swing club together, right? It's always a single guy. They never share that they're going to a swing club with their friends.

Yeah, yeah. But this time, these two guys were friends. So we started talking to them, and they're like, Until I asked my wife, but go, are you interested in doing like three guys tonight? And this is, this was earlier on in our adventures. And she's like, well, I don't know. Seems like a lot of guys for tonight. I don't know if I'm feeling all these guys, but I really like this.

I really like this still Phillips looking guy. So we start talking. And then the guy says, well, I'm actually a newscaster. Oh, another one. You're a newscaster. So this guy was like, he was like the number one newscaster in like Miami. Oh, another guy. And, um, no, this is the same guy that still fill up some guy.

No, no, no, I know, but it's just another newscaster. I'm seeing a trend. Yeah, another newscaster. Yeah, right, right, right. So we're like, no shit, oh, really? You're a newscaster, right? He's like, can't I go? And once again, I go, you're not working up.

You know, he goes, no, no, no. So then the other kid goes, uh, he goes, yeah, and I'm on HGTV. And we're all, what? We watch HTTP all the time. What show are you on? And he had his own show at one point in the mid-noburn. 90s. Pretty popular guy.

If I told his name, people would say, I know that dude, I know that dude. He became a, he became kind of a staple in there for a while. So anyways, the Stone Phillips looking guy,

we said, look, you know what, I don't know, she's three guys tonight. I mean, she wants the party, but that's,

let's see a lot for her right now. So he goes out and finds that the other, the other attractive, you know, there's probably two or three couples that are attractive in this whole place. So he goes out and finds another couple that's attractive and brings him back.

I said, okay, we're all going to party. So it turned out that it was four guys and two girls. We partied there, and it was pretty funny. We partied, had a good time. And then later on, the guy from HDTV kept reaching out to us and email. But we never party with them again. But I followed his career. I tell you every once in a while I'll Google him and see what he's up to.

hilarious. Was he married and doing this on the down there, or was he a single guy? No, I think he was single. He was in his early 30s, probably even in his early 30s, probably in his or late 20s when it's happened. He's probably in the late 30s by now. But he didn't say that. I don't think he was married.

Yeah, but he was good lucky, but the stomp-dil-ups-looking guy. That's what I'm a wife for the other likes. Right, right. But she did them all. And now at this point, you guys are like sleeping around. You never had any kind of discussions about rules or recingulations. Did you guys have issues with each other?

Or was it always with other people? We never had any issues other than me opening my mouth. So we, we, we, never sat down and talked we never sat down and said hey what do you think about this or do you what do you want to do we we pretty now i'm not saying this is the smart thing to do mind you i'm saying this is in my this is what happened with us where we never we and we never talked about it and we never talked about it after and this is part of this is a part of where i'm coming from where my one of my biggest regrets we never after we party with them we never sat down and said

hey how'd you and did you like that did you think that that was hot or done We never talked about it. We just went on to the next situation, the next weekend. Well, then you must have really related or been screaming at the phone when I was talking to that last guy that did go to the Red Rooster because his whole thing was like, you know, me and my wife keep doing these like crazy things, but we just never talk about it afterwards. And I feel like that's bad. Do you remember that was what that whole guy's story was about? But you're here to say, like, it doesn't matter that you don't fucking talk about. Like everyone's okay. Like, that's okay. That works for some people. And that came, that was very similar to me. And all similar to me is like I never, I never, never measured the size of my dick.

But you did tell me in your email that you're well long. Yeah, you said, well, I asked him if you had a big day. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Just for the record. Just the record. Okay.

I don't think that I'm really huge. I'm not enormous. Okay. I'm probably a solid 10. 10 inches? I don't guess. Huh? Oh, you mean, wait, do you mean, a solid 10, what?

And looks on scale of 1, 10 or 10 inches like your dick is 10 inches, a solid 10. What do you mean at all 10? 10 inches long. And you don't think that that's big? It's not enormous. What the fuck do you see in these swingers clubs? Do you look around? See, this is another thing.

This is, see, this is, there's so many times where I've messed my wife's party situation up because I drop trial and the other guys are more concerned about what my dick looks. like than what their dick looks like. Yeah. Eight out of ten, eight out of ten times they can't perform, and then my wife ends up just doing me at that time. Because you have a big dick. Okay, I don't think it's that big. It's really nice looking.

I'll give you that. And, okay, it's big, and it's nice looking. Stop with it's not so big. It's very, it's, my dick should be, well, my dick was in movies, but it should be more movies. If I wasn't attached to it, I could write it out. but um it's very very attractive but so the but the guys are more concerned about like dick than the girls their girls are and once again i'm probably an eight at best

but like that other guy that we're that you were talking to i kind of feel the same way where when i grew up i was a little guy uh no girls really wanted me and i kind of revenge fuck at the time right that that's what the guy was talking about yeah so i kind of do that so when when i when I'm playing, I get kind of rough, I get kind of hard. I get kind of rough sometimes. Maybe I cross the line a couple times. But I'm into like the group sex and getting blown

in front of like the whole party. And I have no problem performing in front of people. You know, I could tell you, you know, many stories about guys approaching me in the middle of a party. And, you know, to my wife said, I said, did, I go, sure. I was drop child right there. of 50 people and let the guy's wife suck my dick and never's watching jerking off and this is like

it's like people like there's certain aspects to a party where there's like the party party where he was drinking and talking getting to know each other then there's the party board that's in the rooms where people are fucking yeah i'm doing this in front of where everybody's out there still clothes that I'm the one that's that clove so it's kind of it's kind of funny where you know if you know when you start doing this of a problem but let me ask you this are they hitting you up because they already know you and they know that you have a big dick? Yes, I did have a, I did have a reputation. For having a, yeah, you still don't think it's big.

It's because you're just used to it. That's it, because it's yours. I'm used to it. Yeah, that's it. Well, I lost my Virginia to, I lost my Virginia to a prostitute in Hollywood. Mm-hmm. And when I was, when I was 19 before I went in the service, and she took my dick out,

she's like, oh my God, you're big. And I thought, you know what? You say this to every woman at the dude that you see. So from that point on, I'm like, okay, you can say that, but I don't really believe that I'm anything special. And to this day, I really, I don't see the big. It's interesting that you, I'm sorry, but it's interesting that you loved bragging about, you know, the fact that your wife was bringing all these people and you had the Swinger lifestyle,

but you can't be, like, you can't brag about your people. big dick. You feel like you, that's just not cool. Because you do have a big dick and you know it on some level. It's just, it's weird that you won't give yourself that. Because 10 inches is not normal. Or is it thick too? How tall I am? No, is it thick too? Oh, I thought you said that by 6-2. No. I am 6-2, but yeah, it's 6-2. Okay, 6-2 and is it thick too? And thick, why? You know, is it 10 inches and skinny or 10 inches and thick. It's 10 inches of thick, yeah, but it's really, really, the coloring's nice, it's straight. It's all good to go.

Yeah, we got. So check this out. So I'm the only, I'm the only the second guy that my wife's ever been with when we got married. Yeah. So she was, she's never known anything smaller for, you know, well, I mean, after we start playing, she did. But up and down the point, she always thought that I was average her, you know, she didn't

know that I was in the special. So she just didn't know, she just did what was in front of her, right? Yeah. until she started getting more experienced. So I was the only second guy that she was ever with. So that's another aspect of it where, you know, what we did. You did mention that your dick was in movies. I mean, and I do know from your email that eventually you started to do some sort of porn thing.

So when you're hanging out these different parties and you're meeting different people, different situations, you start meeting people actually are in the, that are, that are, that are, surrounded in the industry and no different people in the industry. And so one, I was approached by a, uh, uh, uh, filmmaking couple. They were doing a documentary on swinging and they were doing a specific thing on multiple ejaculation, guys that could come more than one time. And I could count probably four or five times at once after the other. So they approached me to do a video. Uh, so I did that video. And then from that video, there was a pretty famous porn star, in the 90s that she was having a scene at the club where we were at, and one of her male co-stars

did not show up. So they asked me if I could stand in for the other guy, which I did. I wore like an ice white shirt mask. Oh, that's cool. So that you would stay anonymous? Oh, yeah. If it ever got released, I'd look for it. I've looked for the name that I used when I shot the scenes. And to the day, I can't find it.

So I don't think it was ever released per se, but I can never run for office because there are probably, I don't know, two or three movies out there with my face and my dick in it. I know you did say that you were once doing a gang bang with a porn star and you were fingering her ass. Can you tell the story about that? It's not gross, but it's funny. It wasn't a porn star But after we started doing the club thing for a long time We started saying this is getting expensive And we want to meet other people

When you go to these When you go to the clubs It's really people think that you're banging You know all the time It's really not like that Because when you go to a club Before people have to agree on it And it really

There are many times when we came home Without partying with anybody But when you go to a party When you go to a party, that's where the real fun probably is going to happen because everybody invited to the party by the host. The host knows who's going to party. They know if they're going to get a lot of people. They know if you're going to be popular at the party. So if you get invited to the party, you're probably going to have a good time.

So the person that was handling the party or running the party says, look, look, Bob, he pulled me in a sign and says, look, Bob. I got this girl, her boyfriend approached me. She wants to be gang bang. I was like, okay, well, I've done pretty much everything, but I never did a gang bang. So I was like, okay, how many, so it was like six guys, four black guys and two white guys. And, of course, you know, no one could prefer. I even, I even, like, messed up the hard on the other guys that were in the gang ban because they were like, they couldn't keep up or they were like, oh, what's the word I'm looking for?

they were intimidated by my dick, I guess. Uh-huh. So the poor girl, she would kept saying, so we got, so we gang banging this girl, and, uh, the, uh, we would take turns. It's, it's really kind of funny because the guys would take breaks and go out and get a beer, have a cigarette, and then the guys would be handling her, and then we'd switch off, three more would take a break, and then the three guys would jump back in.

And, uh, we all, everybody's like, well, we're trying to, I've never, I never had, I never given anybody anal sex, or neither, I've never received. sex, but I've never had anal sex with anybody because of my problem with my size. So I was really wanted to fuck to screw me ass. So I was playing with her asshole for a while, for a long time. And I was looping her asshole up with my fingers and getting her ready to go. And I didn't even know that my wedding rink had fallen off. And it was inside of her ass.

And before I knew it, she just spit it back out. out again and it spit it out and planned on the floor and had some shit on it but I got my ring back I yeah yeah yeah I don't even think that she knew what happened at the time because uh no she never said nothing about it I don't think she never even knew like I think one other guy knew about it but for the most part I just picked up my ring with went to the bathroom wash shop put that gun and went right back in and kept town a little business it was kind of funny hilarious but yeah I can imagine sending the girl to the hospital to get my wintering out of breath. Yeah, or you had to find it if it went up too high.

What is your wife into when it, like, is she really into like multiple guys, doing girls, all of the above? My wife, she likes the attention. I've asked her a couple times, like, so do you like having sex with these guys or do you like the attention? And she's like, I just love the attention. She loves the attention. And I think that the sex for her was always secondary.

And this is part of my guilt because now I've, we haven't done this for probably, I don't know, 12 or 13 years. And one, because one day we're at the club and we looking around and we looked at each other and we both kind of realized at the same time. We're like, I think we're now, now we're the old people. and we both looked at each other and said, I think it's time to retire. She's like, I agree. Let's go home. Wow. So we said goodbye to the bartender and they said, we're retiring. And then she's like, no, you're not.

I'll see you next week. And we never went back again. And we never really did anything like that for many, many years until I found your podcast. And as always, it was the gang bang Christine story. Yeah. And I had my wife listen to it, and she never did any black guys. So she never mentioned any black guys when we were partying. We partied countless times.

But she never did any black guys that I know of. And I said, check this out. You've got to listen to this. And my wife's like, you know, she feigns concern. I don't want to listen to this thing. So I send her the link, and she listened to it. And I go, can you believe this girl? I can't believe.

Now, this is coming from a guy that's been around the block, but she's even surprising me. I'm like, do women really think like this? And she's like, no, not really. I don't think so. I don't think like that. So then she goes, I said, well, what did you think when we were partying? And so I asked her a couple things where she had a good time when we were party.

And she made a comment that literally broke my heart. She said, well, I was there. So I partaked in the situation. And I go, what? I go, out of all the people that we party with, you say that you didn't have a good time, at least you at least didn't have a good time? She's like, you know, I was there,

so I, you know, thought I'd partake in the situation. Like, what in Rome kind of thing? Like, that's what she was trying to say? Yeah, go on. Yeah, so I was devastated for probably two or three years. Every time we saw a movie, every time we saw a TV show, anything or just sex about sharing,

about cheating girlfriend, cheating boyfriend, I feel so guilty. Why? What do you mean cheating? How do you equate cheating to your scenario? Well, because anything sexual that we see in a movie, in a TV, or whatever the case may be, I link it back to my relationship thinking,

my God, I made my wife party with, you know, all these guys, all these girls. and she didn't even want to do it. She just did it for me. It was really, it was a guilt. It was a total guilt trip. So I said, is this true? She was, yeah, she goes, yeah, that's what it.

So I was like, oh, wow. So I was depressed for many, many, for a couple years now. Until like a month ago, where your podcast came up again, and I can't remember which one was. I had her listen to it. And I go, I know you didn't have a good time when we were doing this, but this is a good story. She goes,

who told you, I didn't have a good time when we were having. I go, you told me that you did it because she didn't because you were there. She's like,

no, that's not the case. I had a great time. And I go, you, I've been stressed out for years about this. And she told you,

she told me her reverses course and told me, oh, I didn't have a problem with it at all. It was fine. But yet,

she doesn't talk, we don't talk about any details. We've never talked about anything. And she actually actually cuckolded me one time before I even knew what co-coly was.

I know this was really wasn't a cold phone call, but do you want to hear about that? Yeah. So we, one of the couples that we party with had a rental house down on a beach in Mexico, and we just go down there and party.

So we go down there and they have like a, it was basically an origin for three days. People come in and now just, it was just nuts. So one time this young kid that lived in the very befriended one of the girls that going to this party. He was like, I don't know, like 19, something like that.

My wife was probably 35, 36, something like that. And we were down at the beach, we're playing beach volleyball and stuff like that. And I noticed that they were kind of getting kind of touchy feeling, kind of talking. And I was like, I don't know, what's going on over there? But I think, you know, my wife had never told me she was interested in her guys at all. So I wasn't, like, too concerned about it. until that night we went to a party. We would go back to the house and go party.

And I'm like asking her own, hey, where's my wife at? Where's my wife at? And everybody's like, dude, she's partying with that dude. And I go, what? I go, where are they partying? And she goes, they're all going to partying in the casino back there. And I go, oh, so I try to go back there. And every stopping you, like, do, do, do, do, no, you can't go back to

because he'll get, he'll get anxiety if you're there. He wants to be alone with her. And I was like, fuck that, man. I've watched her do all these guys. I'm not going to stop now for this guy. Yeah. Some 19 year old kid, right? So I would try to go back out there.

And all my friends, like, you would just try to go. Just had her do it. Just let her go. She'll be out a minute. It'll be fine. And I was like, okay, fine. So I sat there. This is before I knew.

I never heard the work cut cold before. Mm-hmm. And it was the most excruciating an hour of my life that I didn't know what she was doing. I've heard of cuckled angst and I've heard about all those other bullshit. It wasn't no angst. I was just pissed. Right?

And I can't, no, I didn't even know what it was at the time until I started this to your damn podcast. Yeah. I go, that's what she did to me. She cuckolded me. She didn't even know what the hell it was. I didn't know what it was either until later on. And that's why I can never be cuckolded

because anybody's trying to shame me or kind of, it's not going to work. I'm going to throw the Dick Carter in anybody. Anyway, you guys can't. if you got any bull that's trying. So wait, so you just didn't like being cuckled it. I mean, that's like you're either into that or you're not. I mean, did you guys have, I mean, I know that you had no rules.

So obviously, you guys never discussed anything. I mean, she wasn't allowed to just go and fuck a guy? Sure, she was. So how was this any different? It was never, it was never effective. I couldn't come in the room or whatever. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mm-hmm. And that wasn't your wife doing that to you. I mean, that was like the people. friends. Yeah, telling you you can't go in. I mean, right? I mean, that's just like a weird scenario. Right.

Exactly right. Exactly right. And even to this day, she's never told me what happened. This is, this is 15 years old. I go, what happened? She's like, I don't know. I don't remember I was drunk or whatever the case may be. Well, you guys don't really communicate well.

I mean, you went two years of like taking her like three sentence, like three words in a sentence scenario on your whole swinger life experience. that you believed it, felt like shit. And then she told you three other words in a different sentence. And then it changed your whole life because it was completely different. I mean, you just don't talk enough. Right. So the last thing I want to ask you about Kathy is,

is it possible for women not to have a fantasy? Fantasy? No, all women have fantasies, I think. Absolutely. I think they, yeah. So here's my situation where she's pretty much given me every one of my fantasies that I've ever asked for. and I appreciate that.

And I want to return the favor. Right? So we've been married for 27 years now, I think. She's never once actually approached me for sex where she says, let's go. I want to suck your balls dry or not like that. She's never approached me and said, hey, let's go bang. Now, she's never turned me down either whenever I've said, I want to have sex. She's never said no.

But many times I say, I don't care if you want me to suck a guy's down. I don't care if you want me to dress up as a girl. I don't care if you want to shit on me. What is your fantasy? Yeah. What is your, because I want to give her what she's given me. Mm-hmm.

And she says, I don't have a fantasy. I go, that's impossible. You have to have something that you want to do. And she says, no, no, there's, and we've gotten an, we've almost gotten divorced over this where I've said, what is your fantasy? You have to have a fantasy. She's like, no, I don't have a fantasy. I don't have anything I want to do.

So this is my final thing I need your advice on if I should push it or if I should just leave it alone. I try to just leave it alone. Well, about her, listen, first of all, you're not talking to a vanilla wife and saying, what's your fantasy? Maybe she's a little shy to tell you

that she does want to be like Christine and fuck five black guys in a gang bang, but you know while you watch. That's not your girl. Your girl has been there done it all, I'm assuming. I mean, she was at all these orgies and parties and gang bangs and swingers parties

and swingers clubs with you at the same time. So she's fucking all these people. She might not have any fantasies left because she has lived out a lot of things. She's been with women. She's been with men. She's been with multiple men. She's like, it sounds like she's done it all.

So maybe she doesn't have any fantasies that she needs checked off. And she might not, I just think that you're projecting onto her what you want. And maybe it's because you just want to get back, in the lifestyle or get back to the way things used to be with her. I don't know when you're missing, like, all that action that you're, like,

begging her to bring up a fantasy and have her bring it up so that you guys could go back out there. But she might not have any fantasies left to go out and live. She's done a lot. You're a fucking sharp-in lady, I'm telling you. Right. You're probably right on. You probably hit the nail around the head.

Yeah, but it's what you want. You want your fantasies. Like, you have some more fantasies that you, like, what? are you, like, how old are you guys right now? Mid-50s. Mid-50s, okay. Now, is your wife, like, still really horny? Has she gone through menopause yet?

Is she having any issues like that? She's in it right now, actually. Okay, so is it starting to be like she's not as interested, maybe? Because that could be a thing, too, for women. It could be, it could be, but she hasn't told me if that's why she hasn't. But once again, she's ever turned me down. So right now, even though she's in menopause, I say you don't want to bang it. But, you know, she's like, okay, no problem.

No, that's smart. I just want her to tell me what the hell turn. What do you want to tell her to? I just want her to tell me what the hell turns around. What does she think about? What do you think turns around? You've been with this girl at Swingers' parties that, like, did you ever, like, observe her? Did, because you guys never talk, like, did you ever, do you ever notice what gets her really wet,

what she was attracted to, what she beeline to at the Swingers Club? Like, you know, I don't know. Did you ever ask her? Yeah, I have. Yeah. I mean, well, lightly, I said, hey, did you like that or whatever? She's like, yeah, that was fine. But it's never really got into too much,

it's never really got into too much description. Listen, I just think you guys are both poor communicators. I don't think that's going to change. You've been together for as long as you have. You've been doing this kind of crazy stuff with no talk. Now you're trying to get her to talk about fantasies that don't even exist in reality when she never even wanted to talk about the real second.

you were having. I don't think you're going to get anything out of her. But I think maybe you need to figure out what you want and ask for that. What is your fantasy that's missing? Like what is it, why do you need her to tell you her fantasies? What does that do for you? I've always been in charge and I want to, I want a girl to say, I want my wife from my girl to say, get on your fucking knees, do this, do that. Don't fucking talk to me about it. Don't complain.

So that's what you need to do. You need to tell her, listen, you know what? You might not have a fantasy, but I have a fantasy. I want you to fucking dom me. Like, I want you to be a dominatrix. Like, can you, like, do that just for one night, wear that role? Like, if I get you the fucking outfit or just tell you what to say, like, can you, that's my fantasy. Like, you know, talk about it from you.

Like, you're the one with the fantasy. Why not say that? I'm going to talk to her about tonight. Yeah. Tell her you have the fantasy. And you want her. to do it. You gotta set it up. You gotta make it fucking happen. I mean, listen, a lot of stuff has happened in your guy's life. That's pretty amazing. Like you said, you were like bragging about it so

much to people because you couldn't believe what was going down in your relationship with your wife. You know, asking for a little fantasy here should not be that big of a deal and should not be that hard to do. Now, it does sound like you guys don't really talk. a lot about sex and that might be what's difficult. And I know that you, listen, you know, because I'm wrapping this up and it's like, I know that you started off kind of wanting to point to the downfalls of swinging. But I, and I do know that a lot of your friends didn't last, but the truth is, and I think I did mention this in the beginning too, that you and your wife did.

I mean, here you are so many years later. You haven't done it in a long time, but you did it for a while and you did tons of things. and you guys did make it. Why do you think you guys made it over other people? Considering you had no communication about it, like what do you think is different between you guys and all the other people that you saw that fell to the wayside? It was my wife, really.

My wife, she's an angel that she's an angel on earth and she's understanding and she forgives me for every misty that I do and that's why we're still together. The other wives were understanding when the husband was made mistakes and my wife was. So you made the same mistakes that the other guys did, but your wife didn't leave you for it, but the other ones did. Is that what you're saying?

Yes. And what were those mistakes? What mistakes did you make? You didn't talk about those. I'm sorry, what was the question? What were the mistakes that you made in the swinging thing that your wife had to give you a pass for? What did you do that was fucked up? Opening up my mouth, opening up my mouth and letting family and friends know what was going on.

and for a guy, for a guy, there's really not that much stigma attached to it, but for a woman, you could probably imagine the stigma that comes to attack to when someone hears that you're partying outside your marriage. It really put a lot, really put a big toll on her mentally. And I really screwed up bad. Okay, so you were sloppy with talking about it, but it wasn't like you ever cheated or had any of that kind of stuff. You guys were able to have a very, open relationship. Forget about the people knowing that's like other people's problems. It was, I mean, it became her problem because she was upset because it doesn't feel good to have

people talking about, you know, that stuff. But it's not like you guys had issues with the lifestyle yourself. Inside the lifestyle, like, what were the problems that you think were so bad that you want to warn people about? That just you have to make sure that your relationships rock solid and not not built on and not built on sand or straw where you think that if you're not blocks solving your marriage

and you go on you try these types of things and it goes south and your each individual partner is not totally unborn with it and understanding it's going to eat the relationship alive

and that's what you saw and all these other couples that didn't last yeah yeah and then I add to that other people other people involved with the relationship turning tricks, all kinds of stuff, where people just,

they think it's a good idea when they start, and then after a while it just rots the relationship from the inside out. Right, but I also have to say, I've had a lot of couples on, or guys that used to swing and don't anymore, but they tell me about, you know, the good old days. And a lot of times they'll be like, yeah, we got divorced and things ended,

but it wasn't because of that. It was because of other things. I mean, you know, there's always the chance, too, that some of these couples, There were other issues in the... They're lying. They're lying. You think?

Why? They're calling me anonymously. You think they're lying to themselves? Because when people call me, they're not really lying. I think I, even the playing feels so much by making people anonymous and having them call me through a fake number and all that shit.

Like, I don't want to know who someone is. So I feel like I really create a space where people are pretty truthful. but maybe they're lying to themselves. Keep in mind, this is something that they did to themselves, right? It wasn't something that they didn't have nothing to do with, right? This is a choice that they made, and they made people make it all the time, and then 90% of the time it goes back to blow up in your face and it ruins your marriage,

and it's hard to deal with that. I've been on the precipice, right? I haven't been rocked cell the whole time. I've been at the edge of the cliff, and you have to reckon with that, you have to reckon with your behavior, once it was worth it, did my mistakes contribute to where I'm at right now? And my opinion is 90% of the time with myself and others that I know, it has substantial reason to do with it. Now, it may be not the only, but it was substantial in regards to the divorce or separation. With the couples that you know, because you kept in touch

with them after they got divorced and you know that it was the swinging and being in a lifestyle that ruined them. Yeah, I mean, like, listen, I have. heard that before. I made a comment recently that I heard Dr. Drew talking about how like everybody that does that has a bad marriage and stuff. And I'm like, that's like weird because I talk to a lot of couples and not just couples that just started and where do we think they're going to be 10 years from now, but couples that did it for a long time and we're very successful at it and we're totally fine. But I love your story too. Yeah, but I love your story too because like I said, you guys are successful. You're the one in six, you know, one in seven. I.

I know that I talked about, no, but I talked about a movie that I watched when I was really young. And it was called The Lifestyle. It was a documentary about swingers. And I found it so fascinating. And what they did was they took swingers at all different points in their relationship, people who started swinging in the beginning of the relationship, people who were together 12 years and just started swinging, you know, and it was like four or five different couples.

And they watched them and they documented them for a whole year. And, you know, the couples that lasted at the end of the year were the couples that they said were in double digits. You know, the couples that were already together for a very long time and started this after. And the couples that were doing it in the early days didn't last. But you're not even that. You're the couple that did it from the get-go early on in the beginning. And you lasted a long time. So you never know.

Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Because of my wife. Because of your wife. Because she put up with you blabbing. Yep, yep, yep, yep. Yeah, I mean, is it...

And if she ever listens, I want her to know that it's my fault. What's your fault? You guys didn't last. I don't know. You have a very weird way of looking at things. You, A, don't, you can't admit your dick is big. You have this issue with the lifestyle. Even though you and your wife have been very successful. What you weren't successful at was people finding out and them being very vicious and toxic about it. But like I said, that's more so not your guy's fault or the people in the life's fault as more the outside. But now the people that were like passing judgment on you because they were probably jealous. And meanwhile, you had bumped into so many of them inside the Swingers Club. So who knows what those people are doing behind closed doors?

And you do seem like everything's okay yet you like you, I don't know, you have an interesting way of looking at things that sometimes I don't think is the truth. Like you're, you know, even with your wife when she told you at what some, point how she felt about being in the lifestyle and you ran with it in the totally wrong way and put so much guilt on yourself and felt bad for years that you forced your wife to do things sexually that she didn't and she was like what the fuck are you talking about so I can't wait till she hears this I want her to call up and clear the air I think her story is going to be so much more different than yours it probably will be I'll tell her to call up will she

you think I'm sorry what that will she would she would she she? I think she would probably would, yeah. Yeah, and you should let her listen to this so that she could hear about your desire for that fantasy, how you really, like at this point in your life, just want to like lay back and switch it all up, but you want to just be dominated. You want to be a little submissive. You want her to take the reins, you know? Maybe you need to talk about that a little bit more than you're used to talking about it. So to make it actually happen. And stop asking her for her fantasies because maybe she doesn't have any left or she just doesn't want to talk about it or she's been there done that. Do you know what I mean? Like I said, stick to your fantasies and get her to do them and then get her to be on my fucking show. You got it. You got it, Gabby. Bob, so listen, thank you for calling in. I don't know what I'm going to title this because it's like it started off kind of like a I want to do a PSA about how swinging's not good. B, B, B, B, B, B. B. B. B. What? What? It's called BPD

Bob's big Bob's big dick That he does Oh, Bob's what? That's what I was I was making a joke But yeah Oh yeah

Bob's big dick Yeah no you couldn't You wouldn't even Let me talk about your big dick You kept cutting me off Tell him It's not so big Like whatever

But like there is that aspect going That's what's so weird About you With the way you talk But it's interesting I do like your story I do like all angles of things Like I said

I do have a lot of couples that are successful and I like that because I think most people think the opposite, that, oh my God, you do that and it's like poison for your relationship. So I do like to show that, no, it actually can work, but I also do like to show like the reality is the majority of the time, maybe like from your experience, what you're saying is it doesn't work. That's important for people to know too.

I think it's all important. I think it's important to keep your fucking mouth shut because look at what happened to you guys. And it really was bad for your wife. She was very, like people were very judgmental. And I mean, that must be really hardcore. we didn't even get into that. You know, it's, so I feel like you gave people some good warnings and stuff. But I think with the overall thing is that you guys have been successful.

You did it for a long time and it was a good ride. One and six, you're the lucky one. So congratulations on that. Thank you so much for calling in and sharing your story, Bob. Get your wife to listen to this. Thanks so much, though, for calling in and sharing your story, Bob. It was entertaining for sure. You're interesting guy.

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