Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 562 - Fetish Fridays: Tom is Into Crossdressing, Camming and his Sister-in-Law?

Episode Date: December 2, 2022

Tom aka Tonya is a crossdresser who had an affair with his stepsister and he called in to talk all about it. When did he realize he was into crossdressing? What were the first articles of clothing he wore? And, how did his affair with his sister in law start? Tune in for all the details which include how he cams for men both dressed and not dressed, how he labels himself, how and why he stole his stepmoms panties when he was younger and what he did with them, his first guy on guy experiences he had when he was super young, and how his wife felt about it, how him and his wife’s sister hooked up for the first time and how long their affair lasted, all the anal sex they had, how he got his second wife into pegging and into him being fully dressed, how his wife encouraged him to go to a crossdressing service and what exactly went down there including pegging and more, how and why he got divorced from his second wife and how he met his current girlfriend, why he hasn’t told her about his secret life, how and why he thinks crossdressers are narcissists, how and why he started camming, what he enjoys about it as well as what he does while camming, how he inadvertently got his female co worker to fist him plus a whole lot more. **To see anonymous pics of Tom aka Tonya + anonymous pics of most of my other female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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on this call. Now, Tom is a cross-dresser. He's also bisexual. He does, you know, and he talks about everything on this episode. He talks about how, what he started to wear panties and try on panties, who he stole them from, which happens to be his stepmother. That's a whole story. And then he had an affair with his sister-in-law. That's another story. That stuff is like, weaved in between his cross-dressing stuff. He has had experiences with guys when he was younger, not just when he's dressed up. He has had experience with guys when he's a guy.

He loves like anal SCX, and he talks a lot about that. He does, like I said, get into some guy-on-guy action that he had when he was very young. Then we get into how he started to wear lingerie and start fully dressing. He talks about all of his marriages and what happened. happened in all of those. One of his girls pegged him. Like I said, he's very into anal. He does camming. He talks about like all the stuff that guys get him to shove in his ass while he's doing that. He does talk about fisting, okay, because he has the whole funny, crazy story about a coworker that he was trying to get off his back, a female co-worker. And she started fisting him.

And so it didn't really work. But that whole story is sounds convoluted. And it kind of is, but it's kind of funny. All his stories are funny. Super interesting. Like I said, he also does camming. You can't find him exactly, but he talks about like the place where he, he doesn't have a specific name on his campsite,

but he does talk about where he does camming. He doesn't do it for the money. He does it for the fucking fun. He goes into this whole thing about how he thinks, like, cross-dresses are narcissists. And I'm like, I think maybe you're the narcissist. You know, I told him that on the thing. I'm not saying this behind his back.

So we do have a little discussion about that, which is very interesting. And I want people, over on YouTube to go and chime in or on Instagram, wherever, about the whole all cross-dresses or narcissists thing that he thinks, because we do have a discussion, and he throws that out there, and it's something I had never heard, and I want to know what other people think. I gave my opinion of it, but you'll have to listen for that. But like I said, there's a lot going on here with Tanya, aka Tom or Tom, aka Tanya, but it's all super interesting. There's a lot of stories

within stories, within stories. It's airing on Fetish Friday because he does have the cross-dressing fattish, but there's so much more to this episode. You're definitely going to enjoy it. So I'm going to be right back on... Oh, and if you want to see picks of Tom, make sure to go to my Patreon.

On my Patreon, did I say I have anonymous picks of my guests? And if you join the cross-dressing chair, you will see anonymous picks of Tom. So anyway, I'm going to be right back on with Tom slash Tanya. Hi, Tom. Welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast. How are you today? I'm very well.

How are you? I'm good. I'm a little confused with you, though, because I know that you're like, oh, I'm like, should I introduce you as Tanya? Because I know that that's like your cross dresser name or your alter ego. And you're like, no, I want to be called. That's my stage. I want to be called Tom.

That's my stage name. I'm like, what the fuck do you mean stage name? What kind of stage are you on as Tom? And then we'll talk about Tanya. Well, Tom goes on stage. almost once a day on the internet to show off some of his talents. What are the talents? Tell me. Well, I'm fit, so I look good.

And then I'm also well-versed anal. So I can put on quite a show. So are you porn? Do you do porn? Is that what you're saying? Well, I guess you'd call it free porn, one-on-one free porn. It's, it's, I won't mention the website unless you want to hear it. It goes by many names I've found out. But, no, it's peer to peer video camming, camming. And, what is the website?

You could tell me. I mean, why wouldn't I not want to hear it? I don't know, I don't know what the legalities are if you want to advertise for it. But in this particular case, the one I log into is called Dirty Roulette. Oh, okay. So it's like a camming thing. Yep. Okay.

And random people pop up. and they either like what you're doing or they don't and they move on or they stay. And the thing that I like most, I think is when I get, of course, it's all men, guys, is when they come. That's my reward because they like what they're seeing. Now, are you dressed up as Tanya or are you there as Tom or do you do both? Oh, I'm usually, yeah, I'm usually cross-dressed to some degree, but there's somewhat of a limit when you've got to have access to things.

right so but why wouldn't you use the name tanya because you want them to know that you're tom and then they show up and they see that you're just like you know what you mean like i don't know why well on the when i'm when i'm camming they don't often ask for a name right yeah but you do need a name i'm just saying you're like tom is my stage name why would think tanya would be your stage name i don't understand oh well you know well tom is it can be a stage name if uh it something's more male oriented or it can be Tanya if someone's interested in that. Now, sometimes you run across other cross-dressers and then I'll give them, I'll give him Tanya. It kind of, I meld, mold to my audience. Okay. So that's a better explanation. You're sometimes you're Tom, sometimes you're Tanya,

depending on whether what your audience wants from you, but you switch back and forth. Now, as Tom, do you consider yourself, like what would be, if you had to leave, like, what's your sexuality? Are you, what do you consider yourself? Are you gay? Are you straight? Are you bisexual? Are you heterosexual? Are you one thing when you're Tanya? Something when you're Tom? Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. And if there needs to be a label, I don't, there's labels have gotten so complex lately. I love labels and we'll tell. There's a reason for it. Yeah. Cross-stressor transvestic, we can have a discussion there, but no, bisexual. Sure. Yeah.

Okay. So as, so whether you're talking, because listen, like I said, what I do when I talk to cross-dressers. I pick things apart because everyone is so different. And that's what makes it interesting because you're going to find maybe at a 10 cross-dressers listening to your episode, maybe two of them are going to be able to relate to some things and eight of them are going to be related to other things. But they really want to everyone wants to relate to something. So I try to get all the specific details. To me, like I said, I have heard a lot from cross-dressers who are like, no, I'm fucking straight. When I am like dressed like a dude, I don't even look at guys.

I would never be with a guy when I'm my male form. It's only when I'm dressed up. Do I have that? So when you are even Tom, you still, you will, you are interested in men or women as well, is correct, right? Oh, yeah. That'd be fair. Sure. Yeah, that's what's interesting.

I mean, I don't, I don't look at, you know, it's funny, you know, I don't look at women or men and get the, you know, and get interested in that way. It would have to be a very specific relationship, you know, one-on-one kind of thing that would bring that out and somebody and the possibilities might go somewhere. Not that's happened, but I would certainly entertain it. Yeah, I wouldn't have to be dressed for that. Right. I'm assuming when you're camming and you're doing anal and it's all that kind of stuff. I mean, and you said sometimes you're Tom or your Tanya depending on the person that's logging in. I mean, I'm assuming that that's at that point, you're with a guy.

get lazy and not dress up. Yeah. So. Yeah. And, but, you know, sometimes I like to put on as much accoutrement as I can and, you know, go to town. Okay. Let's go. Let's talk about when, like, when you started dressing, when you realized that you were

into accoutreement. Am I saying that correct? Yes, you are. Okay. Tell me your story. Oh, all right. Well, I mean, I was. As I found out from listening to some podcasts, I was pretty, I don't know, sexually active a young age.

Mm-hmm. So, but the first time that I acquired any female clothing was I stole two pairs of nylon bikini panties from my very attractive stepmother. Oh, you had one of those. Yeah. And I think at the time, and I think I was 12 or 13, my dad had gotten remarried. And it was a way, I was. I was not going to have any kind of contact with this woman, but it was a way to have contact with her. How old were you?

13. Okay. And when did she become your stepmom? Like what age? I was probably in town for the wedding because I didn't see my dad, but once a while, there's a weird visitation. They didn't see him about once a week any given year. And so I'd been in town for their wedding because he lived quite a distance away. I had to fly.

And I just thought this woman. it was very attractive and the only way I was going to get close to her was via. Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah. And I could see. Listen at 13. In comes this woman. She's like, quote unquote, your stepmom, but she's a stranger because you don't live with

your dad, like you said, and you live far away. Mm-hmm. And she was hot. She's fair game. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It's not so like, it's not like incest at all. I mean, it's just like a hot chick, but she happens to be. like your dad's with her and you have kind of access to her. Yeah, she was 40. Gorgeous. Wow. Now, had you had stolen anything or wore anything feminine before? No, nope, not until that time.

Isn't that interesting? I typically hear it starts so much earlier, but it's not like I haven't heard it just, you know, come out in like teenage years. That's interesting. So at 13, and because of your stepmom, that was the first time you decided to. Now, did you just steal them and like, Like smell them at first and then and then eventually you put them on or was did you steal them and put them on immediately? No, I don't think I would have known to smell them.

And of course, they would have been clean because they were in a drawer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I know I just put them on and I just wore them. And I really couldn't tell you what happened to them after that. I really don't know. Yeah. I had a fairly, well, I was going to use the word normal. That wouldn't be fair.

because I interacted with, you know, boy. Everything I ever did was only with people of my age. I just get that out from. I was never groomed, never, nobody, no older people try to, you know, molest me or anything like that. So I had relations with boys when it's pretty young because I think that's, you know, that's who I was around. And I was curious. And I don't, you know, they weren't, you know, nothing crazy because you just didn't know, what to do at that time.

You just weren't sure. But there was touching and looking and all that. But the same time I did, it was girls in the first grade. I played strip, don't break the ice with a first grade classmate. I remember getting caught. We got caught by our mom kind of,

you know, going, showing each other what we owned. Yeah, I think that happens more than you think. Yeah. And some of us don't even remember. You know,

you're curious. So at that young of an age, I think it's just curiosity. Yeah, but I think I was an instigator in most of these occasions. So at 13, I mean... You were doing the grooming now. Well, I think so because at 13, I remember there was a summer with, there was a boy down the street that we had an interesting summer. I think that was the first time I had an orgasm and that was from penetrating it. Wow. How old were you?

13. 13. Oh, okay. So 13 was a very pivotal year for you. First time you wore panties. First time you fucked a guy in the ass. Mm-hmm. Right? Well, and we had all the girls in the neighborhood. I mean, there were campfires where we were getting naked, you know. And I remember the girls around the campfire.

They were a little older than me, 15 or so, maybe 16. They'd never seen an erect penis. So I showed them. Right. You were like very, a little bit of an exhibitionist. I mean, you were always open sexually. Maybe you're curious and all of the above. Oh, curious and an exhibitionist.

Yeah, no doubt. Yeah, well, look at what you're doing now, right? I mean, so that was like the rear, that was the cues that that was what you were into. So wait, so 13, you're fooling around with guys. You start to steal, you know, you stole your first pair of panties. now with your, you know, from your stepmother, do you eventually start taking other things besides panties? Like, were panties the gateway drug? Well, it was the gateway drug, but, um, and I hope not to disappoint anybody, but, um, that, that, that, that dressing phase remained dormant for a long

time. Yeah. I mean, I had, I had some, uh, relations there, that summer was a good relation. There There was two boys involved in that summer. And, you know, but I had that, I guess when I was fit, I mean, I lost my virginity at 15. To a woman. To a woman. Uh-huh. And, you know, it was pretty, I would say pretty normal up until into my first marriage when I had bought some lingerie for my wife. Well, she wasn't my wife at the time, but we did get married.

And she didn't like, she rejected it. She threw it at me like, you put this on. So I did. I liked it. Wow. Wait. So she said, you bought her lingerie. She's like, I don't want to fucking wear this.

You wear it. And you're like, okay. Wow. As a joke. Yeah. I think it's kind of, you know, one of the rejection things. And I put it on a wow. Is that that sure tickled my pickle.

Mm-hmm. And was that surprising to you? I don't know. Perhaps. Yeah, it was. I like that a lot. And so that went on for, you know, that collection expanded. I don't remember, you know, that was so my gosh. Well, I don't know. I'm 58. So that was 31 years ago. But would she engage, you know, in that kind of play with you? Was she down with it? Or was it something that you had to do on the DL? I didn't have to do it on the DL. And I don't think it was a big deal because I remember, of course, at that time in our lives, we had, we were partying a wee bit, as you might say, because at that time, and that would have been

pre-87, so that was mid-80s. Cocaine was a big, yeah, cocaine. Yeah, we all know. Well, and we lived just 40 miles out at this time, 40 miles north of New York City. Yeah. And her best friend lived across the street, her best friend from childhood lived across the street and was living with Coke dealer. Right.

And we had, well, it was, you know, we had a couple of years there that were very fun. And I do remember a couple of times, you know, I would dress up in front of these two. We're all hanging out, partying, and her best friend is there, and I'm there. I'm in panties and a bra and stockings and all that. And, you know, we're just doing our thing. And at one point, her friend even took, did a photo shoot for me. but there was never any sexual interaction with the friend at that time. Right, right.

Ever, ever with that particular person. Yeah, okay. So, and that evolves for a long time. And we relocated to the Midwest and, oh, I'm forgetting a very important piece of the pie here. Okay. So when we finally got married, six months later, we had our, it was an informal wedding, very informal, justice of peace. We had a reception to invite all the little family members around.

And that, during that party, that's when my sister-in-law and I started our years-long affair. Oh, okay. I don't know why I did it. Do I have like the bullets to your story someplace that I don't remember? I may have been mentioned in the telephone confession. Okay, yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah, sister-in-law. I remember everything now.

Yeah, okay, go on. So wait, so at your effing wedding party, the day of, at the small intimate ceremony? It was a, no, no, this was a reception that happened later. Yeah, whatever, but it is in the party for your marriage. Your sister-in-law, who is your brother's wife or your wife's sister. Okay, so your wife's sister. Oh, my fucking God. God. What, what a, how did that go down?

Well, we were in the basement of the house and I don't know who, who, propositioned who. But I really don't, but that, that, that lasted a very long time for the time that we are living on the East Coast. And then for a number of years when I got to the Midwest and then she moved out to the Midwest to the town that we lived in. and we well I worked in the construction still well I don't do that anymore was working in the construction industry she was in food service there's a lot of well there's a lot of parting that goes on in that world and that was still occurring so we when her sister moved out here things really kind of got hot and heavy so you know there was a lot of times when I would meet her she might go to the mall she might buy me some lingerie and we'd go back to her place we'd be at it for you know hours on end and you know she had a big thing for anal she could come from being fucked in the ass yeah yeah yeah without anything else going without anything else so she really loved that and I did too so it was a it was a match maiden

you know a coke laden heaven oh my goodness but wait a second so did was she ever married during all these years of you guys hooking up was she cheating on any anybody as well? My sister-in-law? Yeah. No, she, well, she'd been with a man for a very long time, and then when they, I mean, we're talking 16, 18 years. Yeah.

And then got married, very expensive wedding. And then they got divorced two years later. Right. So I'm just telling you kids out there, don't spend the money on the wedding. Yeah. No, the best is when people spend 75,000 on a wedding and then they fly coach to Hawaii. It's like, why don't you spend $2,000 on your wedding and stay at the four seasons of life first class?

I mean, so dumb. You know what I mean? It was, yeah, it was really, it was pretty sad. Anyway, so after her divorce, that's when she came to the town that we lived in. Right. In the Midwest. And that's when I think was about four years of on and off

before I got divorced. From her sister. Did you guys ever like start dating after that? Or did it just end because of the divorce? No, well, there's a lot of messy stuff in there that we can't, I mean, you don't have time to talk about. But she ended up heading back to the East Coast and resuming her life out there. And I haven't had any contact with her since. Did you guys ever get caught?

By who? By anybody. got caught once by the police when we were on the East Coast I was kind of like that's a loaded question why are you asking like who else besides

you know as someone in your family that's what I meant oh you were saying it because you got busted by God where were you like in a parking lot having sex yeah we were in the I pulled into the parking lot

of a local school well apparently they had I don't know what kind of detection devices they had but they used

did and anyway a cruiser showed up and um just advised us to move on it hilarious but wait a second but nobody like the sister never found out your wife never you know i mean oh my wife found oh yeah at the end she she knew that's who i meant instead you tell instead of saying the first answer to me saying did you ever get caught you're like by who well we never got caught she never walked in you know while we but i mean she found out though i mean you got caught like she she how was she aware Well, I don't know. I remember driving home from the lawyer's office one day, and she just said something about, yeah, and you and my sister. So she maybe always knew or found out at some point and never brought it up?

Well, I mean, I don't know exactly how she found out because it's kind of weird. Because eventually her sister had a boyfriend, not a boyfriend, had a man living with her. and my ex-wife, at the time wife, ended up marrying this guy. Wow. So I think so somehow that knowledge got transferred between the three of them to where she knew that the sister and I were having our little tete-a-tete. So maybe either she found out first and then fucked her sister's guy just to get her back, or she fucked her sister's guy because she had the same genetics like her sister

and they're all fucking each other's guys and then the sister found out and she's like well I was fucking your husband the whole time like somehow it just like they both kind of found out that each of them had slept with their guys. That's just crazy. It could have been. I mean I remember I got a phone call early

early one weekend morning after you know a late evening for everybody and that was my sister-in-law saying did she tell you? and I was like, tell me what? Well, that she wants to marry this guy and be with him. And, well, that hadn't happened yet, but it happened right then. Well, she got what she deserved.

I mean, she was fucking her husband all these years. You know, what do you expect? I don't know. Were they close as sisters? I mean, I have a sister. I just can't believe someone would do that and like the kind of deception and be able to, like, you know, to your own sister. I find it just horrible. Did they, were they like, oh, like best friend sisters or sisters that barely talked or hated each other?

I would not classify the relationship as best friend sisters, but I don't think they were not at odds. Estranged at all. Interesting. So it was, yeah, it was kind of interesting, especially because I think at the time she was very aware, but never confronted me. I think because she was content at the time because the time. because the relationship she'd established with this other man was good for her.

She didn't want to wreck that. Who was very aware and had the, like, what are you talking about? What do you mean? Oh, my wife was aware at the time of what was going on between her sister and I, but because this person lived with my sister-in-law, this man. Oh, wait, wait. Your wife was seeing her guy at the same time that she was married to you? Well, my sister-in-law's roommate was a man.

Yeah, I know. And this man was carrying on an affair with my wife. While you were with her. Oh, I thought that happened afterwards and later. And I'm having an affair with my sister-in-law. Yeah, I got it. Okay, but that guy wasn't her boyfriend or anything like that. I thought it was.

I'm so fucking confused, but it's very, it's very entangled. I kind of dig it. You know, it's interesting. It's, oh, it's entangled. There's no doubt. But it didn't get sorted out. You all wound up where you're supposed to be is what you're saying. Well, yeah, absolutely.

I think so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, that's, that's, it's a lot of times it's really great to hear those kinds of stories so many years out because. Is there more time? I don't, what do you mean? Do you have more time? I mean, I don't know. 40 minutes.

Oh, okay. You have an hour. Okay. Well, I've thought about this. you know, for a while this upcoming conversation. I had no idea how much time would take to spill my guts. You have a whole hour. You only gave me 20 minutes.

Did you spill all your guts? Is that it? No, no. I don't, no. The next chapter may, you know, get some more questions out of you. Yeah. So nine months after the divorce, I marry another woman. Mm-hmm.

And ironically enough, not that this is important to the story, but she happened to have dated my brother. She was three years older than the high school. Oh, stop. I can't even handle this. All of this incestuousness is insane. Okay, go on. I want to get to all your chapters. Keep moving. And, well, we, two, was it about two years into the marriage? And we, we had a, I thought a decent sex life. She asked me, well, what do you like or something? And the strangest thing was at the time, apparently our next-door neighbor who was a best friend from childhood.

We live in a, who was a fairly small town, had given her some underwear that she didn't, couldn't, she didn't fit into. Yeah. And they were sitting in, in a laundry basket. And, you know, at this point, my new wife says, well, what do you like? So I went into the, into the bathroom, grabbed these, they were, let me see, they were kind of satin and lace pink tanga panties.

and put them on and walked in and well she wasn't horrified at the time so that just you were able to dress up yeah uh-huh in front of her she was okay with it or she was into it

well she seemed to I don't know how many wives go back and forth she got cold a lot with it but sometimes she was very very hot with it. And I mean, I encouraged the whole thing. And that's when I actually was able to go, I guess, all the way to the one end, you know, wigs, makeup, that kind of thing.

She helped you? Yeah, a little bit. But it was not, wasn't, you know, wasn't her thing entirely. But we played a bunch of times, you know, while I was dressed and she pegged me. Well, it was the best orgasm I ever had. We'd bought a strap on and she pegged me and wow. I mean, because it's the P spot, right? That's what you're hitting. Because you had had these experiences with men when you're, or guys when you were younger, all these years that you're married, were you ever hooking up with guys on the DL or had you not been with any guys and had no anal since you were a teenager? No, I, I, I, I wish I could say yes, but no.

Why do you wish? Oh, because you wish you had that. So the no opportunities, but if there were, you would have. It wasn't like you were monogamous, obviously. Yeah, I mean, I think or would have, I would have. But yeah, that was not. Opportunities right, never presented themselves. Okay.

We, you know, went back and forth for a long time. And I don't know what role that played in the demise of that relationship. But, I mean, that went on for 20. 12 years, 13 years, back and forth with the full dressing and whatnot to the point where we, at some one point, she would allow me to go to, you know, if I wanted to go to a motel room and do my thing, or I could do it at the house, or, you know, I visited a cross-dressing service once. That was really fun. That was almost a dumb thing, but not quite, because this woman would provide a service and you'd show up.

She'd dress you, maybe put you in a chastity cage. So there was some anal involved. She never, you never heard of this. This is a thing? Yeah. So people that do those services, it typically has this kind of stuff involved?

I only participated in this once and then COVID took care of that. I'm sure the business went by the wayside. But yeah, I mean, I showed up to her place. And got me dressed and of course this was a whole evening right so i um she made me up we went out to to uh to have dinner somewhere and then to a uh there was a club that did drag shows

and then there was some play down in at her house um which was you know pretty exciting with a tens unit or what was that i don't know if east him i think they called tens it was it was a something you know, an electrical thing put in my ass and wow, that was, that was over the top. Just rolling convulsions, you know, in your anus. And, you know, that just ended up with, you know, that machine and me and she, her encouragement, jerking off and eating cum. I like to eat my income too. Now, this was when you're still with your wife.

Are you still married to the second wife? No, nope, not anymore. Okay. but were you at this time that you went to the cross-dressing service? Absolutely. She was down with it. She was like, go do your thing? Yeah, pretty much was go do her thing because what I didn't know at the time, and I probably

should have been more aware of it, but maybe I wasn't because I was too into myself. That's what cross-dressers are. They're kind of narcissists, narcissists. Narcissists. That's interesting. I never heard that one. We'll talk about that. But go on.

You've never associated that with cross-dressers? No, no, no. Let's wait, but I want to just hear what you were just about to say, and then we'll get to that. Yeah. So, well, we both work at a very, well, we both still work at a very large company that, I don't want to use the word company that's in the health care field. Okay. So she was a, of course, they give us decent benefits. She was able to leave early because she'd been there longer than I have, you know, accumulated lots of time. Mm-hmm. And would leave early and then come back and pick me up after my shift that ended.

Yeah. I didn't think anything of it until until I got sat down one Saturday morning. Oh, no. She wanted to quote unquote. I mean, she didn't say it this way. Probably could have done it in a much better way and things could be entirely different from where they are today. But she wanted to open the marriage. What did she say? I wish I could remember verbatim what it was. But she wanted to let me do my thing and she wanted to do her thing.

How about that? And we would still live together. And I remember talking to her. Of course, that was a good. total mind fuck to me. And so I'm like, are we still going to have sex? She's, yes, yes, we'll still have sex. I mean, I don't know why that was the most important thing on my mind at the time.

But, well, and that was a Saturday. So Saturday morning and then Saturday afternoon, she trots out the door to go explore her possibilities. I'm like, wow, that was quick. She must have had something in the bag that she wanted. Well, you know, I mean, come on. It was already happening. It had been going on for a while, which is why I mentioned the other things.

So she'd been doing this for a while. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she didn't want to lose you and wanted to be open about it, maybe and wanted to keep you in the bag too or somehow because, like, she didn't want to leave you. She wanted to have you and this other stuff going on at the same time. She liked the skills that I had that didn't have anything to do with the bedroom, but had everything to do with adding to her material wealth. Okay.

So, I mean, because I, I, I am, oh, what's the best word to do? You know, I take crappy properties and I fix them. And, uh, and I do it really well. And I do it really well. And I enriched her quite a bit. So you think she wanted to stay to have, to, to, for your money and stability and all that stuff, but she wanted to go basically live like a single person. Yeah.

She was going to do her thing. and I was going to be able to do my thing. And that just didn't, that wasn't going to work out. So did you try it at all? No, because she was, you know, of course, all through the 13 years of marriage being hot and cold with the cross-dressing thing. Yeah. It was confusing because it was okay and it wasn't okay. Oh, really?

And it wasn't okay. Yeah. And we opted to part ways. Right. And partly because, let me throw in another segue here, a person I knew from high school had thrown a Hail Mary pass into the ether and it landed in my mailbox. And it was, hey, hi, how are you? What are you doing? Yeah, yeah, that's what Facebook's for, right? I mean, a lot of people, I think, wound up hooking up with a lot of other people because of Facebook, you know, those connections that were easy to make from people way back when.

Well, this was a postcard. A what? This was old. Yeah, it was old school. Oh, my good. A postcard. With a stamp on it? Like in the year 2000?

Yeah, a stamp on it. And I remember standing in this kitchen, I'm talking to you from reading this postcard in front of my soon-to-be ex-wife. Okay. And being faced with this dilemma of, well, I can pursue this. I got two directions, right? It was the fork in the road. And, well, I chose the fork that I'm on right now. which has now been a three-year relationship with this person.

Who knows nothing about what's going on. Oh, my God. Okay, wait, we're not going to get. We still got to talk about the cross-dresses being narcissists. They have so many more stuff to talk to you about. We still have plenty of time. Wait a second. So you're with your wife.

She had just, it's like early on with her saying, I want to go pursue other people. That's when you get that postcard from the woman that you're with now, postcard girl. I mean, you're with still with, did you ever ask her why she didn't just use Facebook? I mean, it's like, oh my God. It's only three years ago. It's not something I don't do it.

I don't do Facebook. And your wife's like fine with it, right? Because she had already told you she wants to do with other people. What? She was so pissed at this person. It was hilarious. Oh my God. I love it.

It's so messy, real life, normal shit. It's so funny. Like you're like, I want to go fuck other people. But I really don't want you to fuck her. She's not okay because maybe you might like her. I don't know. It's so complicated, right? Yeah.

Yeah. It's obviously not going to work. knock you well and and it gets even more interesting because this person had sent um had had had only had you know the internet and other record public records to find me through and actually had sent multiple uh postcards wow and some of these went to properties that i owned um but the ex had collected these postcards and disposed of them and it was it was just by a miracle that I happened to take the mail out of my own box and find the one. Well, listen, you know, it couldn't have been perfect timing.

You were obviously going your separate ways at this point. Your wife wanted to do all these things. You were never going to be okay with it. In comes the probably the maybe the one, quote unquote, the one that got away. She was right there at the perfect time. I mean, that's kind of like the best landing, you know. I mean, a lot of that might have been a much worse time of your life if that other woman hadn't come in. You know, you just would have been abandoned by your wife, but here you were.

And she's smoking hot. Oh, so still smoking hot. That's amazing. Oh, well, yeah, we're both the same age. Yeah. I mean, this, I've heard the term on your show, Unicorn. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This person is the unicorn. My age, no kids, well, this is a long distance thing at this time. It has been for the three years. lives quite a distance away. Which gives me, you know, time to do, well, talk to you. Yeah. And to do my thing when I want to. Does she know about your things that you do?

Oh, no. Oh, no. Interesting. That would when, well, we've been trying to put our lives together, but when you're at age and you have different, you know, careers and you've got different businesses. And it just gets complicated to try to put. Totally, yes. Two people's lives together when you're that far apart.

But we're trying. And this will go away. I mean, but. What will go away? Oh, I won't. I won't be able to do my camming shows. Oh, right, right, right. I'll part with all the cross-dessings drop because it'd be another fork in the road.

And that's what I think. I wonder about a lot of cross-dressers as they age and they face the realities of the whole thing, you know, what they're going to choose to do. And the ironic thing is in having some discussions with my current flame about, you know, because I've tried to feel her out with regards to how she feels about cross-dressing or transgender issues or all of that. And it's been pretty clear. And the most, the best comment that she made was no man would want to be a woman if she knew, if they knew how women were really treated in this society. Right.

And I thought that was quite a bitch slap up the side of the head. They did a study. I remember reading a really great article. And this was done with guys who had all the hormones and became female. And it was really their perspective of not only how they were treated, but also how different they felt. And all these things that, you know, guys get down on women for, they realize it's like hormones. It's, you know, it's like it's, it's, it's. but also a lot of that article was about the treatment and how different they experience the world.

And it is very, it is very unfair. Yeah. So I think she was spot on there. Yeah. So, you know, as a bisexual cross-dresser, you know, Dave Chappelle had an interesting perspective on things. Yeah. And I don't know if you saw his show, Sticks and Stones.

He talked about the alphabet people. and one of them was the bisexuals, and we're just greedy, right? Because as a male cross-dresser, I can impersonate a field, but I can penetrate and be penetrated. Yeah. Women can't do that. Right, exactly. Because you have the benefits of being a white male, straight white male, right? You could be that guy when you need to walk in and negotiate, you know?

You could be the cross-dresser when you want to get a good fucking in the ass. I don't know. You know, I mean, or you want to make money on cams. But you could, you can do. Yeah, I can. Well, and I'm not, I don't, I'm not six four, 240. Yeah. So I can, I mean, passable.

I don't know, maybe, you know, with some soft lighting. But, uh, I look, I'm fit. So I look good. And in fact, I remember my first wife being mad at me because I look better in lingerie than she did. Oh my God, hilarious. Well, you know, I have a Patreon where I do some contests. I have like a panty hose tier. I call those guys my hosers.

I have a cross-dressing tier. Now, I do a lot of contests with them. And a lot of times I give critiques. And we did one contest where all the guys wore panty hose and took pictures. And I had my sister and my cousin come over and they were drunk. And I had them analyze all the pictures. But I didn't tell them that this was guys wearing panty hose. Do you understand?

I would win. and so many, but I can't tell you how not at any point did they, A, think that any of these were not women, okay? And B, they were so vicious when they thought they were women. And then when I turned around and let them in on the whole thing that they were guys, they, A, couldn't fucking believe it. And then they were so much nicer about it. And then they were so shocked because these guys' legs were better, especially if you're talking about women in their 50s, 40s. I mean, then most women that you know, they have, they keep the muscle tone.

Men keep the muscle tone better than women, you know. Well, and something I didn't, I didn't learn until recently is that there's a, there's a fat structure in women that men don't have, and it causes cellulite in women and men don't. So there's another benefit of being a straight white male cross-off. Yeah. Yeah. I know. I know it.

Because my ass does look good on cam. I mean, I can't tell you that's that. I love hearing that. I mean, I hear it over and over and over when I'm on cam. And that's one of the things that draws me to it. You know, it's flattering. Let's talk about the narcissism. Speaking of how you love everyone complimenting you.

Okay. You have this thing where you think that cross-dressing is like a narcissistic thing. Oh, very much so. Because I wanted to look up, I don't know, narcissists was, it's a character. I don't know if it's a Greek god. I don't remember. I have to look up. And a narcissist fell in love with his reflection.

Yeah. Yeah. And that's where that, you know, that's where all that comes from. And so anybody who's a cross-stressor, you cannot see yourself except in a mirror or in a photograph. Right. So mirrors and photography are very important. So you can see yourself. And I think that is highly narcissistic.

Yeah. But don't you think, though, it's like, kind of. of like the opposite of like you're not really seeing yourself you're seeing like a different part of yourself and another part of yourself it's not really do you know what I mean like is it all of somebody I don't know are they really seeing themselves or just seeing a part of themselves I think maybe you might be a narcissist or like some narcissists or cross-chesters but I just think narcissism uh because I I'm like professional narcissist spotter I know all about it. I was raised by one. I dated many. I was a, I'm a narcissist magnet. I know a lot about it and I just

don't see that correlation. Maybe like I said, you know, here you are a guy who likes to be on Cam and you like people complimenting you. Maybe because you're a narcissist, you think that the and you happen to also be a cross-dresser, that you're projecting that on to everyone, but I never thought of that. I'm very curious when I put this out there what other cross-dressers say about that, you know, for sure. I think it's a component. It's not the only component, but I think it's a strong component because there's a big, well, you've probably heard of a website called Flickr. Yeah. And there's a huge cross-wresser community on there.

And, of course, that's all about photographs. It's all about sharing. And that's what people, they like to show off. They like to see themselves because that's what it's about. You're altering your exterior. Right. But to the cross-stressers listening. Like isn't putting yourself out there and maybe taking pictures for some cross-dusters?

What it is about is it validates and makes it sort of a reality. It's not so, but is that narcissism or is that just them wanting to, for that time and that feminine part of them to be real? You know what I mean? And just exist. And that's a form of doing it. It's like validating that part of them as opposed to just them. you know, jerking themselves off to it and being a fucking narcissist.

I don't know, you know, I'm curious of what other people think. I think it could have a negative, it has a negative narcissist. You know, there's a negative connotation around all of that. Yeah. And so I think what you and I are saying here is most, I don't, I don't think there's negative connotation around most of it. Yeah. But you are mirrors and pictures and seeing yourself is all a huge component.

Yeah. I just think that that component is because it's the way of that guy who likes to cross-dress. It's a way of them to validate that part of them and make it more real at that moment because it's not always. And I don't know that that goes together. But it's interesting. It's I've never heard anyone put it together like that. I think maybe it's because you have that and you. You know, you take it to that level for you being in pictures and being on.

there is about the adulation, which I'm not saying that there's other people that don't have that too, but I think you for sure like all of that. That's what the pictures are for you. I do, no doubt. Let's get into the camming. When did you start that and how did that come about? Because it's not like you need the money, you know? No, I don't do it for money. Yeah. It's entirely, the gift to me is when, you know, some guy comes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You like to, you like the fucking control. You know, you like to get the guys off. It feeds some part of you.

Oh, yes, absolutely. So, well, the sad thing about it is how I found out about it was through one of my stepchildren. And they had mentioned something, you know, they were joking. They'd spent the night somewhere and they'd talked about this website. They said, oh, we call it penis poppers. And because every time you open up the website and turn on, well, what is it? It's generally there. Generally, the cam is of a guy with his, you know, hand on his dick.

Yeah. And, you know, most of them can't be imaginative in any way, shape, or form. They can't do anything more than they've got their phone right now. That's what it, you know, has come to now is they got their phone on, and they're looking at the little picture on their phone, and they got the other part of their phone, you know, cameras shining on their dick. Yeah. And so that was funny.

And that's how I discovered this. And then I thought it was very erotic at some point because somebody can see you. Yeah. They can, you can show them yourself. And if there's a connection, you stay and you get off. And if there's not, you move on until you find somebody that you do have a connection with. And every once in a while, you get a unicorn. and they're somebody who's very cool and very into whatever's going on and you spend a certain

amount of time with them and you can make them very happy. And it just happened well, I mean, I had unicorns are hard to find, right? That's why they're unicorns. Yeah. And it was just the other day. It was almost sad in a way. Guy was 27 years old, married, wasn't getting anything off his wife or very little, wasn't very happy, was totally fascinated with what I was doing. he liked to see everyday objects go in my ass which is kind of funny oh my god i want before we end that

that's my that's where we're going to close on the objects he has had you know had you put up your ass i love okay well i have a whole other chapter to go beyond beyond that but okay oh really all right we have 10 minutes 15 minutes max sorry because i have to pick up my son or also i'd go long way longer keep going um all right refresh my memory where was that oh you were talking about the unicorn in the guy. He was a 27 year old. Yeah. So he's an attractive guy.

Yeah. A very nice cop. And he's loving everything I'm doing. And I mean, when he let go, it was buckets, which was good for me. And he even commented it. I mean, most of the time when a guy comes, they turn the camera right off. They just leave right away. Yeah, yeah.

And when that doesn't happen, it's very cool. People are, you know, it's very nice when people stay and say, thank you. And you just have a little, you know, chill, you know, five, you know, a minute or two or chill. But anyway, he even took a picture. of his load on the floor and to show it to me because it was so big. And I thought that was, well, it was tremendous for me too. Yeah.

Because everyone got what they wanted. And he said, thank you. And, you know, maybe I'll see you again. And then on we went. And now that's what you love about it. You've been doing this for many years. I know that you just mentioned you have another chapter, okay, as well on top of the camming? I mean, I don't know if I should go.

Could you just tell me really quick how, like, any kind of like crazy object that that guy, I mean, I, I'm... Oh, yeah, he loved them. Well, a beer can is not a problem for me. You know, my biggest dildos, three inches in diameter. Wow. So, you know, water bottle, a dildo.

I mean, a water bottle, a beer can. Shit like that. There was a, I have a can that's, it looks kind of like a spray paint can but you know I put a condom on it and I can do that and um just thought that was the the bomb yeah yeah yeah I thought that was the bees knees all those different things I mean it really doesn't matter I mean I'm pretty talented is you know if you can get a three inch dildo in your ass I mean that's pretty talented anything's gonna get in there yeah the beer can everything yeah so large insertion which might be a good segue to the fisting okay so this is the the next chapter

the chapter we're ending on yeah okay fisting okay Okay, so at the establishment I worked at, I had a co-worker that was hounding me, female coworker that was hounding me. And I couldn't get this person to leave me alone. I didn't really want anything to do with them. Her. It's a female. Yeah, okay.

But she's interested in you for sex, like to help. Yeah, yeah, interested me sex. I said, no, thank you in a relationship, don't want it. Keep hound to me, kept hounder me. And so I said, okay, now I want to scare her off. So I said, why don't you just come over to my house and we'll talk. So it was a Friday afternoon, comes over to my house. I'm drinking copious amounts of beer.

And I'm trying to lay this on the line for her and eventually get her to into my cam room, get her on cam, sure what I can do. I was waiting for her to run away screaming. She didn't know about your camming or she did No, she didn't know anything about this Right, so you figure you were just going to lay it all out And she'll run for the hells Lay her off, yep, and that'll be done with this Oh my God

Well, no, but no, we end up down in my basement In my studio, I guess you call it And she is watching And then actually topless and on cam And then eventually I get I get her to put her fist in me. Oh my goodness. What a naughty bitch.

She smelled you from a mile away. She's, you know what I mean? Well, I don't know. And then I didn't I didn't have any interaction with her for a long time and then she came around again. Yeah. And well, this was just Tuesday

as a matter of fact. And you know, I can't, you know, I tried to just be very straight. I mean, this is funny because this is a person I can be very forward with. I'm standing in my kitchen in my all together with, you know, a new bra that I've gotten off with eBay and panties and I got a butt plug in me. And I'm waiting for her to run away. And the next thing I know, she's got three fingers in me. Wow. She's back for more. Back for more. And this is

really complicating the situation because I don't, this is not something that I want to get, you know, my plan has failed. Right. Yes. She's into it. She didn't run. away. She's back for more. She hasn't, she's not off your tail. I mean, she still wants you. Well, well, she wants, no, she wants an exchange. She wants to be pleasureed in some way.

And I told her, I don't, I couldn't, I can't. I mean, I mean, I'm 58, I'm fit. I look great. This person is not, you know, is a little older than me. Not, you know, not horrible, but pear-shaped.

And I, I just I think she took her pants off, I'd chew. But. But you let her fist you. Well, yeah, because I'd never had that done. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I got it. Like, a lot of guys probably understand. Yeah, okay, for sure.

Mm-hmm. So, anyway, I thought that would finish it off for sure. And that, that did not. Do you do another camming session with her on that Tuesday? Is it just Tuesday this last Thursday? No, no. I mean, I probably would have, because I probably want to do the fist thing again. but yeah that that no that didn't happen um she left on her own accord and uh i'm just going to wait

see what happens next oh my goodness like i don't even know i'm sitting here trying to think like you know when you were like a crossdresser coming on my show i'm like i'm going to put this just on my patreon but no this is going to go on my fetish fridays and i'm like what am i going to title this like tom slash tanya the cross dresser who cams and fists and cheats and fucked his sister and law. I mean, there's so many sub-stories in this episode. And I love them all. I love them all. I know you didn't. You fucking narcissist. No, you didn't. You're full of shit. Yeah, no, it's fascinating all of them. You have many chapters. There's so many layers here. All my coughs. But, you know, this was like super interesting. I loved all of it. Like I said, I don't know what I'm going to title it, but it will

be out for Fetish Fridays on my podcast. Definitely go to YouTube if you want to hear the effing comments because there's a whole bunch of people over there. They're common on my episodes. But only go there if you have a thick skin because sometimes my poor callers go there and they don't have it. And I stick up. I have a very thick skin. I love a good debate. I don't care. I love to fight with people and tell them they're wrong and have back and forth. You should hear what the people say to me when I'm on camp. You know, you so you're all right. You get it. You totally get it. So you're all good. So yeah, go there to see the comments. I'm going to really be interested to see what people think about that whole narcissist and cross-dressers and all that, you know, that correlation. I want to

see what other people think because I'm sure there's other, you know, I'm not a cross-dresser. I'm a female, so what do I know? I'm going to be very surprised to hear what other people say. Like, are they're going to be? I would like to know, are there female-to-male cross-justers? I think there would not be because a male clothing and attire and underwear is really, really, boring. Yeah, that's an interesting thing and you bring it up at the last minute. I don't know. I don't know if there are women, but I'm like curious to see what a lot of people think about this episode. People are going to be talking about your cheating. They're going to be talking about your camming. They're going to be talking about your fisting with your. They're going to be talking about your coworker. Well, I think it's a shame. I think your fist was a little small. Yeah, well, because it's a female. Yeah, it's a big difference. Yeah, you need the guy. I'm curious to see where you go with your girl. I mean, you would give it all up if she moved. Do you think for this one because she's like the one that if, you know, she came and moved in with you, you'd be able to give it all up.

That's cool. Right. Yeah, I don't think there'd be any problem there. And I mean, do you want to give? I mean, I don't know, you're a female, but she incredibly smoke. She's fit. I mean, we're both really, we look good when we fuck. Right, right, right, right.

We look really good. So she would be a good camming partner. But wait, could I ask you for a question? Do you want to give out your cam? There are going to be some guys listening to this that are going to be like, why hasn't she asked him for his fucking cam name? Like they're going to want to find you. And I have a big audience. It's completely random.

I mean, you'd have to go to the, on the website and, you know, open it up. And, you know, maybe you'd see me and maybe you wouldn't. But are you a specific name for them to see? Oh, it's not. No, it's totally random. Oh, okay. So it's, but where do you go on for them to? Well, the one website's called Dirty Roulette.

Yeah. All one word and I, and one person I was camming with, they were on a, they called the website that they had logged into was called Shangle. So I think the way the internet works and these companies work, that's, who knows, half a dozen. Oh, you could go through many different places and get you up. You're going through dirty roulette. Oh, okay. So it's hard for them to find you.

But they might They wouldn't be able to find me I mean I've done chatterbate I've done that but I don't like that portal Because you don't get it You know you have a cam up And then people can text like text on there Yeah

And that's all you can see And if you want to see You know You could do something one on a one with somebody You have to open another window And you know Open up their cam It's just not idea

Yeah I mean if you want to make money Sure Right but you don't need it I've seen it on there People making money And that's too much work for me Yeah, and you don't need the money. You just want that, you know, you want to get off.

You like the exhibitionist of it. You like the compliments, all that good stuff. And I'm sure that makes you like a great find. You know, you're the unicorn in that world for sure because I think some people are just doing it for the money, but you're really there to have a fucking good time. And I'm sure that comes across. So people are going to be very disappointed that they can't find you,

but they're going to be trying to find you. But anyway, Tom, Tanya, thank you so much for calling in and sharing all your good. your stories and all of it. It was a little all over the place, but it was great. I love that it was fun and cathartic for you. That's cool.

Thank you for calling in it. You gave me a great episode. It'll be on probably next Fetish Fridays. Okay. Well, that's next week. I'll keep abreast. Get ready, Tom.

Yeah, get ready. Go to YouTube. A breast. Did you get it? Yeah, totally. Okay. All right. Thanks for calling in, Tom.

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