Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 581 - Mike is Totally Into Small Penis Humiliation and More (PICS INCLUDED!)
Episode Date: January 13, 2023Mike is into small penis humiliation and more and he called in to talk all about it. Exactly how small is his d*ck? How did his size effect his earlier life and his relationships? Ad, when did he get ...into the humiliation fetish? Tune in to hear all the details including how he tried to hide his flaccid size from his wife throughout their marriage, how she felt about his size and if she ever said anything, the first girl he hooked up with after his divorce and how she laughed at him when she saw “it,” how traumatizing that was for him, how it triggered his interest in being humiliated, how he started hiring women to make humiliation videos degrading and humiliate him, how SPH changed him and made him more accepting of his size, the hotwife/swinger he sees regularly and how she humiliates him, takes money from him and has him clean her bathroom, his intense interest in being a denied and caged cuck, how he feels about whether size really matters, how being naked in front of the men he hooks up has always been easier than when he’s with women, he how people found out about his size in middle school and how torturous it was, how he felt when he saw his wife with her first BBC, how and why he’s not interest in a guy humiliating him, how its really into humiliation on every level, the places he goes to find women to humiliate him, how much he pays for it, the crazy things they have made him do including eating cum crackers and golden showers, why he keeps his humiliation kink a secret from his friends in the “lifestyle,” and a whole lot more. Tune in to episode 580 - Mike is Secretly into Guys, Gloryholes, Gangbangs, Swinging and a Whole Lot More, to hear his first episode. **To see anonymous pics of most of Mike's micro p*enis and anonymous pics of most of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at strictlyanonymouspodcast@gmail.com or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Today I do have on Mike.
Now, this is Mike's part two.
I just aired his episode on Wednesday.
Mike is into secretly into guys, glory holes, gang bangs, swinging, and more.
Yeah, there was so much in that episode.
His story was fascinating.
But there was one layer that was missing.
And it winds up to be like 10 more layers because this guy.
And I think I said it on his first episode.
Like the more he talks, the more he just pulls out so much more stuff.
Mike has a lot of stuff going on.
You have to listen to his first episode.
It's fascinating.
This was a guy that had some stuff happened to him when he was younger.
And then he was acting out with guys, not acting out, but like he turned out,
he was very into guys.
And throughout his whole marriage, he was seeing guys on the side,
like at bathhouses, adult bookstores,
the rest stops, in the car,
in the woods. Like I said, bathhouses. He was doing gangbangs. And then somewhere in the middle of all of that.
Him and his wife, who doesn't know that he's into guys at all, they start swinging. And then they have a
very fascinating, interesting thing that goes down between them. Okay. It includes a guy with a BBC.
Okay. And it leads to their demise. You need to listen to that episode. All of that is in there. And then,
we pick up from there and add in the other layer, which is Mike has a micro penis.
He sent me pics of it.
I had to pixelate it, okay?
But you could get the gist over on my patron if you want to see it.
And that's what we talk about.
You know, that micro penis that he has has led to him being into SPH, which is small penis humiliation.
But the interesting thing about that kink are fetish that he's into now.
He wasn't always into that.
And that's what we discussed.
He does talk about how having this micro penis small penis thing affected him when he was younger.
He had a hard time with it.
I mean, it's like pretty devastating because when he was in his younger age, you know, he would be like showering and word got out that he was the guy with the small dick.
And he talks about that.
He talks about the problems that he had because of it.
He talks about how his wife never really spoke about it.
but how it affected their relationship and how it played into that story of the BBC that took place.
You have to go back and listen to that.
I'm not going to tell you everything here, but he then, though, talks about how he wound up with a girl after his marriage.
Who saw it when he pulled it down and did, like, the most horrifying thing?
You'll have to listen, okay.
Well, no, okay, I'll just tell you.
She laughed.
Okay, imagine.
he pulled it down she laughed broke up with him and ever since then he has into humiliation and not just small penis humiliation he's into that that's what he got into first but it turns out that he winds up being into being humiliated in all kinds of ways and he goes and he hires a lot of women to humiliate him he's got a hot wife who he sees and has a relationship with who has a husband and he pays for her pedicure and she bosses him around and
puts him in cages and she wants to put him on a leash and he talks about that. There are
cum crackers and golden showers and dildos and it's like all kinds of stuff. There's like nothing
he won't do if he's told to do it because he's like a total sub and into humiliation now. But what's
interesting is that like he wasn't always into that. This sort of progressed and happened after that
one scenario and we talk about it all. There is so much more in this episode. There was so much
in his first episode. All of it is effing, like interesting or fascinating is more of the word.
And I, like I said, I have pictures, pixelated pictures over on my Patreon. If you want to see those,
go to patreon.com slash strictly anonymous podcast. The links to everything that I talked about are in
the description. But I am going to be right back on with Mike. Hi, Mike. Welcome back to the
strictly anonymous podcast. I feel like I just talked to you because I did just talk to you.
We are doing your part two, which I think is fun.
I'm going to air it right after I air your other episode.
In your first episode, people are going to want to listen to it.
Because I feel like there's a really great story at the end where you bring up the fact
after all this other salacious shit that you're doing, which is like you're secretly bisexual
and doing all this stuff behind your wife's back.
At some point, you and your wife open up your relationship.
You guys start swinging.
And then you have this.
this really interesting scenario or like a thing that happened where your wife hooks up with a
BBC, a guy with a big black cock, right?
He's like a black guy.
And you kind of flip out.
People need to go and listen to that story because I think maybe or maybe they have to listen
to this one if they already did.
They might get some more information, like another layer that we didn't get in that.
first episode, right? Because now you're here. This is a long-ass intro. People are like,
fucking get to it, Kathy. Okay. Now we are here to talk about your small penis humiliation fetish.
So I wonder, let's just start with the BBC story. Let's not give it all away in case people
haven't heard it. They're going to have to go back and listen. Your first episode is fucking
fascinating. They're going to find out all about your interesting guys when it's
started all the sex with guys that you've had been there, done that.
And then as well as like what you did with your wife when you guys opened it up and how it ended
because of that BBC guy.
But you did have this whole small penis thing.
And I'm wondering that scenario when you saw her with the guy, because you had shared your wife
before, you were down with it, you're into guys.
Did it freak you out on some level how much she loved it because you had a small penis?
Or I would think how could that be bad?
Because you are into small penis humiliation, correct?
I was not at that time.
Oh.
I wasn't into that at that time.
Oh, let's start there.
What do you mean?
Because I always knew that I always knew it.
And it was always a source of tremendous anxiety for me and still is on a lot of levels.
Yeah.
But, you know, she, all the time that my ex and I went together, she never said anything about it.
And, you know, it was always unspoken.
And it sounds crazy, but I never ever let her see me when I was soft because it's just crazy.
Well, are you big when you're hard, but just you're small when you're small?
you're small when you're soft or you small also like are you a grower but not a shower like
or are you small even when you get hard i am very small okay okay yeah listen first of all no woman
that likes a guy would ever let him know he has a small dick if even if she thought it you know
like no girl's gonna say shit like that to a guy i mean you know and therein lies a problem
with a lot of guys who have a small penis humiliation thing because i have talked to a couple of guys
before you. I haven't aired their episode yet, but I have a
lot of guys emailing me that have this. I think it's always
actually really great that they could turn this thing,
which is insecurity,
you know, something that most guys would feel really paranoid and insecure about
and turn it into a total turn-on. But what I do find is that a lot of
their partners are very, it's hard for them to humiliate them and
give them what they want. No woman is going to want to do that
to her guy, you know?
So, of course, she never brought it up, but you always were.
It was kind of like the elephant in the room for you.
And maybe for her, maybe she was like, oh, you know, this isn't that satisfying.
I don't know, but she never said anything about it.
She never said anything about it.
And I didn't know that I was into that at that time.
I couldn't imagine at that time being into that.
If you told me that, I would say you're crazy.
Right.
But somehow you turned that insecure.
into a turn on.
Well, yeah.
It didn't happen intentionally.
I wasn't looking for it.
Yeah, well, it goes against her nature.
Let me ask you really quick.
Okay, let me just interrupt you really quick.
So, because I want to know how you were able to turn that around.
I have heard of, like I said, guys that do that.
And I think, oh, what a great thing to do.
You know, because what is the other option?
Just live with this insecurity and let it rule your life like it did in your relationship.
like it did in your relationship.
I mean, you didn't always have this fetish
to be humiliated by your size.
Instead, you were like hiding from your wife,
your whole marriage, kind of.
Always.
Always, always hiding.
Right.
And what happened was after,
so after her and I had split up a while after that,
several months after that,
I started to go out with this woman.
And we, uh,
We had been out, I think, four times.
And nothing had happened, but it was going really well.
Like we were, we were vibed and everything was good.
Mm-hmm.
So on the fourth date, she comes home with me.
And we had been out and we were drinking and we started to fool around.
And, you know, before too long, you know, off came to close.
and she literally, when she saw me, she literally laughed out loud.
Wow.
Just, when did I just start this whole thing going on and on about no girl, whatever,
and here comes a girl that would.
Oh, my God.
Well, yeah, and it was, it was really fucked up because I've never experienced anything like that before.
Yeah.
And I was, I was, like, I couldn't get hot.
I was totally fucked up.
Yeah.
And so she ended up going home and she had texted me the next day and she said, I think that we're better suited as friends.
So she calls up and says, oh, let's be just friends.
No, she texted.
She texted me.
And she said, I think we're better suited as friends.
And I was like, okay.
and I've never heard a word from her since.
Well, you know, maybe she didn't need any more friends.
But, you know, and then I started processing that,
and it was really fucked up, but on some level I kind of dug it.
Do you think maybe it was because, like, I think it was,
finally your biggest fear was like right there in front of you.
you. I mean, no girl had ever done that. That was obviously the thing that you, why you were
hiding from your wife, because what's the biggest fear that some girl's going to see it and laugh?
And there it was. It happened. You reached your destination.
Yeah. Well, and you survived. No, but I mean, in some way, there's something powerful in that,
in that you do get to that place. It's there. You survived. And then you were, then you were able to, like,
turn it around. Then what happened?
So I started, you know, I didn't know honestly anything about that fetish.
And so I started looking into different things online.
And I came across all of this.
It's called SPH.
Right.
But let me ask you this.
Why did you go start looking for it?
Did you feel like you were somehow turned on by it or you wanted to try to be turned on by it?
Or I don't understand why you went looking for that kind of content.
content to begin with.
Because after that happened with her when she left, the next day she texted me and said,
we should be friends.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
I was, I wasn't happy, but on some level, it kind of turned me on a little bit.
Like, I can't explain it to you.
Right.
So that's why you went looking because you were like a little confused, like what the fuck's going on here?
Exactly.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Okay.
And then I started to find, like on different sites.
like women that do that.
And I started contacting some of them.
And yeah.
So I do a lot of it online with like video back and forth.
And, you know, there's a couple of women that I do it with more than once.
and they'll have me do certain things and humiliating tasks,
and they'll just send me videos talking about it and how small it is,
and they degrade me and humiliate me, and I get off on it.
Now, let me ask you this, because you've been with other women besides that girl
that laughed at you because you're not in a relationship now.
I assume you've been with other women.
did going down this rabbit hole and realizing you were kind of turned on by it,
did it relieve some of the insecurity you had around, you know, that first experience with a new girl at all?
Or were you still, like, paranoid?
Did it change you in any way?
It did change me in some ways.
Like, I'm not going to say that I'm thrilled that I have a tiny dick, but I've come to
accept it more or less better than I did before.
If that makes any sense.
I don't know if that makes sense.
Well, yeah, I would think that there'd be some sort of shift in you if you now realize it's kind of a turn-on.
If you're meeting a girl for the first time and you're worried that she's going to see your dick, now you're kind of like, if she laughs, you know, I'll get hard.
If she doesn't, I'll get hard.
I mean, you know, it's not kind of like that fear you had before where if someone laughed, it would just, you know, crush you.
Now it would be like a benefit.
It kind of is.
And I mean, there's another woman that I met on FetLife.
She lives one town over from me.
And she's a hot wife slash swing on a hot wife.
but so I
degrade myself for her
like she humiliates me
and uh
she does things to me
she'll make me pay for her pedicures
uh oh yeah
that money thing that comes in yeah
uh huh
she'll have me go to her house
clean her bathroom
and uh
don't laugh I've heard it all I've heard
many guys that do that yeah
Yeah, and, you know, she is, she calls me pig.
I love how you laugh about it.
I mean, you know, you can look at it from the outside, right?
It's like, it is fucking funny.
It's crazy, right?
Yeah.
When I sit back and think about it.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
It's just crazy to me.
I never did it ever in life would have thought I would end up in this position.
Right. Now, for women that you've met outside of, like, fat life and stuff, like, because this hot wife, I mean, she knows what's going down. But, like, the girls that you meet in your vanilla life that don't know anything about all of your kinks, you know, has, besides the girl who laughed, have you, are you in a relationship now? I forget. And, like, have you had any kind of negative experiences with regular women since?
I do. There is a.
a woman that I see occasionally
were not committed per se,
but I, you know,
I make a point of
never letting her see me until
I'm aroused.
Oh, so still, you still do that, yeah.
Uh-huh.
Yeah, because I mean,
in the interest of being
honest and open, when I'm soft,
I have like nothing.
Yeah, now that was going to be my next question.
I need you to give us, you know, your stats.
how small is it?
So I have, it's, it's not, there's nothing.
Like if I'm soft, there's nothing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like no inches.
Okay.
Inverted, actually.
Oh, really?
Like you have a vagina, a pussy.
Yeah, it's like, it's like a clip.
Yeah.
Yeah, well, you know, I think that it is like a clit turns into a dick, right?
Depending on the chromosomes at some point, right?
I mean, I just, so wait.
No, it's a dick.
It's, I actually, I could, I mean,
send anonymous pitches to you. No, it's okay. No, no, no, I know a lot of people want to know. No, but wait,
tell me how hard it is when you, I mean, how hard, how big it is or small it is or, you know,
when it's soft. I mean, hard. When it's soft, sorry. When it's soft. When it's hard, I'm about two
and a half inches. Two and a half. Okay. So that's small. That's definitely a micro penis. Is it
thick or is it thin too? I would say it's probably,
a little less than average.
Okay, but it's not like, because I remember
I had a guy friend of mine who just like
the word on the street, out of his own mouth was like,
I have a tiny dick, you know?
Like a tiny, like, and he would point to his like pinky
and, you know, like really small
and he would always just talk about it.
He would just put it out there.
And I remember Googling,
like, what the fuck is a micro penis?
And I saw them and they're very, like,
they look like little pinkies, you know?
So yours is just very short,
but it's not very very.
it's not tiny thin like a finger
it's like the regular size
dick as in as the
width right I've seen one of those
I had a guy friend that had one of those
for sure a guy I fooled around with a lot
really yeah
I talked about him dirty Frank Frank
Frank he was on my show
no seriously I talk
about it because he had it was kind of interesting
because he was like a very perverted
guy that
had like some bad
addictions when it came to sex
and he was given this like really dirty mind and all this thing.
And this like tiny dick.
I was like, what a fucked up life you chose.
You know.
Well, I didn't choose it.
Well, no.
Well, I don't know.
Like, I always think we're like little souls before we're born and we pick like our life.
And I don't know.
I have this funny scenario that I play out.
And like people are going down the checklist.
Like, yeah, I'll take this.
And maybe I'll do that.
And you know, so I was like, my friend Frank was like, yeah, give me a really filthy mind.
me a fucking pervert.
Give me like the smallest dick on the planet.
Well, I mean, I am definitely,
dirty-minded in the perver.
Yes, you too.
And a tiny dick.
You'd pick the same,
you're the same crazy person.
Yeah.
And if I could have a big dick,
I would do it in a minute.
I wish.
You know what I heard?
Of course.
You know what I heard in somewhere?
And this is very true that the penis
size grows, has to do with like testosterone when they're younger, whether it's in the belly
or when they're growing when they're young. And like if, you know, if it is known that it is small,
like you could give testosterone in that scenario to completely change the size of a boy's penis
if that is going down. Do you know that?
I'd never heard that. Yeah. I mean. It's true, though.
I mean, it's a real medical fact.
It's nothing I believe you.
Yeah.
But it's nothing that has ever come up like my mother.
No, you can't do it.
Yeah, you can't do it now.
But it's, I think that, you know, they don't, and they don't even tend to it.
They just let guys get small dicks.
But they can change the course of things, you know, which is fucked up.
But, you know, we can't with you.
And you have been able to turn it around.
Now, okay, would you, do you like on fat life?
I mean, because, like, how are you going to bring all these worlds together?
I mean, do you, would you, in your perfect world, would you like to find a woman that you could date, that could roll with all of this stuff?
Or would you not want that?
Are you like that guy, the typical guy that's like Madonna Hor complex?
Like, I want the hot wife humiliating me on the side, but I wouldn't want my girl doing that.
I think ideally for me, the ideal relationship for the, the relationship.
me would be with a woman who I would be obviously a cuck.
Right.
And, you know, denied, probably locked.
Like, I do have a tiny cage that I self-locked with.
And ideally, that would be my, probably my happy place.
Yeah, you're always just pulling out more and more shit here.
We've got to go through my.
Well, I mean, you know, the one that I see in the next town, I honestly, I don't come unless she tells me I came.
Oh, so you have that going down with her.
She's like a little dumb with you.
Yeah, I don't, like I'm not, I don't, I don't jerk off, I don't come unless she gives me permission to do it.
Have you ever brought up the small penis humiliation with her?
Oh, she's seen it.
Many times.
No, but have you talked about how you would like her to talk to you about it
and that it could, you know, it's a turn on?
I had actually told her that I would really like for her to, you know,
to cage me up and take the keys away.
Mm-hmm.
And she's a little leery about doing it.
But you haven't told her about the small penis humiliation thing is what I'm asking.
asking. She doesn't know that you like to be humiliated by your size, about your size.
I think she knows it. Does she do it? Oh, I think she does. I never actually, you know,
put it out there to her, but she does it to me and I don't complain. Oh, she does. Oh, okay. So she does.
Oh, okay. I don't think we talked about this. Yeah, she does it to me. Yeah. Oh, so you are kind of in a
really, this isn't the hot wife lady. This is like a girl you're dating, like a regular girl.
No, this is the hot wife lady.
Yeah, I don't care about her.
She's got a husband.
I'm talking about, like, in your life, when you're dating girls for a relationship for you,
you know, like a girl that you're like, oh, I might like her.
I'm going to go on a couple dates with her, you know, and maybe you'll have a relationship
again one day.
Those girls, you know, would you want a date for real, a girl for you, your girl, like to
and have all of this out on the table?
Not a hot wipe that belongs to someone.
I know that you're doing all that stuff.
You have girls you pay, you got the hot wife, all of them doing that.
I'm saying the girls that you date in your vanilla world, those girls.
Yes, I would like that.
That would be my ideal relationship.
Now, have you ever brought this up to any of those girls?
No, because I don't know how.
Yeah.
I mean, how do you, how do you bring that up?
I don't know, you know, maybe through fantasy talk.
You know, I don't know.
I think that might be something that wouldn't be so bad for a girl because maybe that would, you know,
because listen, if you got a two and a half inches there, she's thinking, you know, something.
So if you just bring it up and put it out there and then it could just be fun and like you could get off on it.
Like, you know, maybe it would take some pressure off the girl.
maybe I mean I
that's a girl I'd like to meet
yeah
well you know yeah yeah yeah well I mean
there's some girls out there I think it would take a girl that's like into being a
dom right because there's something dominating
like there's that's like a dom position to make to to do that right
I think so I mean I mean I told you
I told you last time that I am
the ultimate beta male so
yeah and I get off on
submitting to women
you know it gets me off
I like I like to be
controlled by them
yeah but this is the problem
I'm gonna tell you
and I've said this to other guys
I don't know if I've aired the episode yet
because I've talked to a lot of beta guys
I've talked to a lot of subs
and they love nothing more
when I'm like shut the fuck up
what's that fucking sound in the bat
you know the way I talk I'm like really
bitchy and bossy
and dominating you know what I mean
and they're like oh it's so good fine
it's totally fine
But let me tell you, a girl with my personality, right?
Because I'm like that dominant personality.
Like, I don't want to be a sub in bed.
And I feel like therein lies sometimes the problem with these subs when they go out looking.
You know, the girl that's probably going to want to switch and do that
isn't going to necessarily present as very dominant in her regular life.
Because I think most people, and it's never going to be all, right?
but I think the majority of people tend to be switches.
You know, you're very dumb in your regular life.
You want to be a sub when you get down and dirty because it's like a release, you know?
So I would say look for maybe a more quiet girl that doesn't seem.
And, you know, maybe she would get off on being the dumb in the bedroom.
That's all I'm saying.
Yeah, I like it there and but in all aspects of life.
Yeah.
But that's the problem.
I know.
I know because I talk to a lot of you guys
like, but therein lies a little bit
of the problem because a lot of times
those women that are very
dominating in the regular
life don't, you know, when it comes
down to the bedroom, they're not
necessarily going to be want a guy
to step up and be the dom then.
That's going to make them feel more feminine.
That's what, you know, I mean, I'm projecting.
That's how I feel, but I think that
that's very common for alpha women.
And I think that that would be one reason.
One of the reasons why I think that was a cut-cold type of relationship would be, you know,
where I would be best suited.
Yeah.
Because not only would I enjoy that, but she would be able to have, you know, get hers too.
Yeah, definitely.
That would be the best, especially, you know, if she wants someone bigger sometimes, you know, like for sure.
But wait a second.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I mean, I'm not a woman, so I don't know.
You know, I mean, I realize that I am completely inadequate when it comes to my dick.
And I don't know how I believe, I hear all these women that she size doesn't matter, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
But I think that's bullshit.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
I think if a woman is being honest, they like a big dick.
Well, let me tell you, if you listen, I did an episode with Leila, this girl, and we did a podcast all about Dick Size.
And I can't tell you how many times I was like, we are such effing hypocrites because we start out saying like we don't care about size, but like 50,000 times we say that we do in other ways, you know, on some level.
Yeah, it does matter.
And especially, listen, especially when you're talking about, you know, the ends of the spectrum, you know, someone really small.
like you, it could be a problem for a lot of women because you don't, you might not feel it,
you know, I mean, that, so size is going to matter somewhat, yeah.
When it comes to the penetrative sex.
I think that's absolute truth.
And I think if a woman is being completely honest, you know, they don't want a small day.
Right.
But what we talked about many times and what I've said many times and what is very true and why you
stayed married with your woman and she was fine is because of a woman.
woman really likes a guy, you know, she could, there's chemistry there. That attraction could
trump a lot of things. But, you know, well, yeah, you have to, for me, I mean, I, you have to be good
at other things. Yeah, like going down on girls, a lot of guys I know would that do that. Yeah. Yeah. Like,
I, I, that's my thing. Like, I try to be really good at it and, you know, use toys and, but,
You know, I mean, yeah.
Okay, but what about this?
Because we know from your first episode, you're in bathhouses, you're in all these places,
hooking up with all these guys.
What goes down when it comes to men?
Do you live out that small penis humiliation with them?
Do you feel uncomfortable around guys?
Is it a totally different story?
I'm not as uncomfortable.
I used to be pretty uncomfortable, but not so much anymore.
And why not?
What changed?
I think when I get into the whole, after the girl that laughed at me and then I started
getting into the whole, you know, the small decimiliation and the degrading stuff, like,
I kind of, I've kind of let a lot of that go.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, right.
It did release it.
Yeah, I got it.
But not like it was before.
It's there, but it's not like it was before.
Mm-hmm.
And, you know, it still bothers me more with women than men.
Right.
But that's interesting because you go to bathhouses, so you're walking around naked all the time.
Well, in a towel.
Oh, really?
Okay.
But I'm sure the guys with the big dicks walk around without the towel.
Some of them do.
Yeah.
You know, I engage in a lot of shit in the open areas there, too, not just in the private areas.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Like I do shit in front of other guys.
Yeah.
You've been gang banged.
People have to go listen to your first story.
You're like, like I said, all, every now and then, you just bring up more shit.
I'm like, what the fuck?
Like, it's a lot of interesting things.
Yeah, like I do some, I'm like off the charts when I go there.
Like in the sauna, I've been fucked and blown guys in the sauna in front of other guys
while they watch.
I mean, you know,
shit like that.
Now, has any guy made a comment or talked about it with you?
I don't know.
I feel like guys with guys are going to be very different than a woman with a man.
Like, have you experienced any kind of conversation or interaction with a man about it
that you'd never experience with a woman?
Yeah, I mean, when I went into the middle grades of school,
school, it was, it was not good.
Oh, because people could see at the, you know, in the locker room or when you were changing
and shit like that, you mean, guys would say shit?
Well, when we moved up to the middle grade of school at that time, gym class was mandatory.
And showers were, showers were mandatory.
Oh, God.
There were shower stalls.
They were just big open showers, you know, it was like a, yeah, like, like, you.
A pedestal in the middle
10 shower heads on it
And you had to shower
And
You know
Kids are fucking brutal
Yeah that's terrible
They would make fun of you
It was
Oh my God
It was horrific
Like I used
Oh my God
I used to go home
I can't even tell you
Like it was bad
Wow
Yeah bad bad bad
And did like word
On the street get out
About you in high school
through the three years of the middle school it was it was common knowledge like they they would do it in the shower they would uh
you know in the cafeteria you'd be at a table and they all know and then they'd start talking about it in front of the girls and
and it was yeah wow that's tough the middle school years were gonna do yeah yeah i can imagine yeah that's awful
It was horrible.
I can't tell you how many nights I would be able to describe.
No, this is why.
Let me tell you, when I found out that there's something that could be medically done and they don't really tend to it,
I just feel like that should be on the list to do.
Because stuff like that could really rule your life.
Like, look at you.
You had like three years of torture.
Those times in your life are very hard.
I mean, a lot of people get through.
Those times are very difficult for a lot of people because, like you said, like, you know, kids at that age are
like brutal, vicious.
And here you are.
Yeah, it's a tough time.
The last year of the last year of middle school, just a year before my freshman year
in high school.
Yeah.
There was an incident where this was at a park and there were a lot of us there, a bunch
of us there.
And there was this one kid who I'll say Leonard, I'll call him Leonard.
And he was like the worst, the worst of the worst.
Like he was like a ringleader.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He was that bully guy.
He was that bully guy.
So, yeah.
So now we're all there.
And he starts with, you know, the thick stuff and telling the girls how I have no date.
And on and on and on.
And they're laughing.
And he looks at me and he goes, show them.
And I'm like, fuck off.
Yeah.
I'm not showing anybody anything.
Yeah.
Oh, my God.
Yeah.
I'm like, how the fuck do I get out of this now?
Yeah.
Like, there's no, there's no adults there.
It's just...
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
And they fucking pantsed me in front of these girls.
Mm-hmm.
Four guys.
And I wanted to die.
Like...
Did you pull it down and show them?
He pants...
They pantsed me.
Oh, what does that mean?
I don't know what pants mean.
They pulled down my pants.
Oh, God.
Oh, my God.
Yep.
Yep.
Three of them held me.
And this fucking wanted to, you know, he fucking ripped my pants right down in front of them.
Oh, my God.
Did they all laugh?
Or like, what the fuck?
You're just sitting?
Yeah.
No, they were all laughing.
Wow.
I'm surprised.
Like, were you suicidal at all in those great?
I wanted to die.
I wished I was dead.
At that moment, I was dead.
Yeah.
Oh, I feel for you.
That's awful.
It was horrific.
Yeah.
Like, if I could have been dead, I would have.
I would have choose them.
Yeah, no, that's good.
So what happens in high school?
Like, they just don't have that whole stupid shower thing?
In high school, so we moved to high school and showers weren't mandatory.
Yeah, yeah, you could just like skip it.
Yeah, uh-huh.
And I did many times.
And not that I'm a dirty guy, but I just didn't want to, you know, I didn't want to do it.
And I would skip them sometimes.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, but it was stalls there, and it was different.
And as, you know, as we get older, eased up a little bit.
Right.
But, you know.
And now as an adult, like, guys, I mean, I've had guys say stuff in the heat of the moment, you know, when we're doing shit.
But it's more in a, it's more of a, I don't know what the word I could use to describe it is.
It's not as malicious.
Right. Maybe it's out of curiosity or like something, I don't know. Right? They're not making fun of you. Yeah, because listen, I think guys are cool with guys when they get older. I mean, there's a brocode that is there much more so between men than there is for women. You know, women could still be vicious with each other. But I think guys are really fucking cool with guys. That's why I was wondering the difference between, you know, how women deal with that with you compared to all the men. Because you've been with tons of men. And I'm assuming none of them ever laughed at you.
I think that they would, you know, every guy and their dick size is a very sensitive topic.
And I think they would, if they're nice people, they would never do that to another guy, you know?
Right, right.
Right.
I would never do that.
Yeah.
To somebody.
I mean, but I don't know.
Maybe if I was like some super alpha with a big eight-inch dick, maybe I would.
I don't know.
I don't think I would.
But you never had a big alpha with an eight-inch dick.
do that to you though, right?
I've had, you know, I've been with guys before and, you know, we're doing whatever
fucking or something and they'll say, you know, like, yeah, look at that little dick and shit
like that.
I've had that, yeah, but it's not in a malicious way if that makes any sense.
Yeah, maybe they're being like the dom, like the, and they're doing like what you dig.
It's like that kind of experience or, you know, that's like a, you know, it's a scenario.
right? They're being the dumb, you're being the sub and you're both getting off on it.
I think so. I think that's what it is for the most part. So.
Right. Because they're not like that girl when she laughed, like she was like, I want nothing to do with you.
Those guys aren't like walking out of the room and not finishing business. They're like going with it.
Oh, no. Oh, no. I don't know guys. I mean, that's a whole other thing. Like a lot of these guys like,
they're ready to come and then they'll stop you.
Because they want to be edged.
Like you mean?
They want to be edged.
Yeah.
Yeah, of course.
And, you know, I've been counted out many, many times and sometimes it's a little
frustrating.
Now, when we go back to that experience with that guy, because, you know, you were kind of
a little bit of a cock when you and your wife opened up your relationship and you guys
started swinging and you were sharing her with other men.
there was like I said the story that came up where she fucked this black guy and it she was like
hooked on him and you know and like I said we didn't touch on the whole penis size thing in that
story that does add another layer like was a big part of why you were like what the fuck and you
couldn't get into the turn on of your wife being so pleasureed by another man because he was
very big and you were very small?
Well, I mean, when we went into this room and when everybody got undressed,
like he wasn't even hot yet, he was like, oh my God.
Like the head of his dick was bigger than my entire dick.
I believe it.
Yeah.
It's true.
It's a true.
And then there was like I'd never really encountered an interracial thing before.
It was just so many different things going through my head.
And, you know, and just watching the way that he fucked her, like, I could never do that.
Like, I could never give her that.
Right.
I mean, I would think it would be horrifying.
I mean, that's why, like, because that wasn't a part of your story and we were saving it for the second episode, you know, I feel like that's just an added part of.
part of why that scenario took down your marriage.
I mean, it wasn't the whole reason,
but that was the end.
That was the beginning of the end.
I mean, right?
I mean, it was.
Mm-hmm.
It was.
I mean, when we were in the car that night,
and she told me,
she said the words, I'm paraphrasing,
but essentially that she'd never experienced anything like that before.
because we were together for a long time.
Yeah.
And she basically told me she'd never experienced anything like that before.
And she wanted to do it again is what she said to me.
Right.
And that's how it started.
Yeah, yeah.
People have to go listen to that whole story.
Let's not give it all to them.
I've got to go fucking listen.
Because trust me, your first episode does not disappoint.
There's so much there too.
Like I said, I mean, we spend so much time talking about bathhouses and glory holes and
hugging up with your guy friends.
And then you tell me you and your wife started swinging at the ass.
I was like, what the fuck?
We could have had a whole hour of just that stuff.
And then I knew you had the small penis thing.
And that's why we saved it here because we have a, you know, we could get a whole hour out of this.
Now tell me some specifics about, you know, that the S-P-H world of like the girls that you pay and what they do.
Do you ever do it with a guy though?
Like, are there any guys that you do the humiliation?
thing with or do you prefer it to be women?
I prefer to, I've never done it with a guy.
I know there are guys to do it.
Uh-huh.
But I prefer, I prefer a woman to do it.
Interesting.
Yeah, I don't know why that is.
I don't have any desire for a guy to do that.
Uh-huh, right.
I mean, I would probably, I'd probably try it, but I never have.
Right.
You like the woman.
You know what I?
Mm-hmm.
I like the women to do it.
And, you know, I seek them out.
There's certain sites that I go to, and I pay them to do it.
How much?
I always like prices.
Sorry, I don't have to ask.
It depends on what they're doing.
Yeah.
There's one girl that I see a lot, an Asian girl.
And, you know, when she'll hit me up and she'll say, she'll send me a text, like, send me $50 right now.
Yeah.
Yeah, but what's crazy is there's another thing.
And maybe you have this too a little bit.
And I heard about this recently, but it really exists.
And I couldn't believe it.
Where there's like this.
And a lot of times it goes with the small penis thing because that's the first guy who brought it up to me was talking about that as well.
Where there's like this money domination thing where these guys like when women demand money from them.
Yeah, I do some of that with her, yeah.
Yeah, what the fuck?
I don't know.
It's hard to explain.
With her, I do it.
And again, with the woman in the next town over from me,
the hot wife, like, she'll tell me, you know,
I'm going to pay for her pedicure today.
Mm-hmm, right.
She's not asking me.
She's telling me.
Right, you got it.
Right.
pedicure today.
Or, you know,
or she went on vacation with her husband.
She said, I need to be.
She's going to buy it.
I'm like, okay, okay.
I don't know.
Yeah.
I get off on it.
I get off on that a lot.
So now tell me that girl,
so that girl will hit you up and be like,
give me 50 bucks.
Yes.
And then I'll give her the $50.
And then she'll tell me, you know,
more or less it's a lot of the same.
She'll tell me, she'll make me take a video of myself in panties or jerking off,
and she'll make me jerk off until I'm ready to come and then not let me come.
And I'll send her videos like that, and then she'll send me back a video, you know,
talking about what just happened, and she'll call me loser and all kinds of shit.
Wow.
So it's not just the penis humiliation.
It's a total, it's humiliation a little bit on every level, right?
Every level.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, it's every level.
Now, did you know that you were into that too,
or did the penis humiliation thing open up that whole thing for you?
Or were you always into humiliation on some level,
but not with your size?
I never really realized that I wasn't.
penis things started. Wow, that's interesting, right? Yeah, it like opened the floodgates.
Like, the first couple of times I did it, I was like out of my mind. Wow. And do you ever reflect back on that
story with your wife with that black eye and now get turned on by that or no? I do. Interesting.
Now, now at this point in life, I do. And, you know, I'll even, because I still talk to her and stuff.
And I'll even, you know, crack jokes about it sometimes.
Mm-hmm.
You know what I mean?
Like what I call, I call her, I don't want to use her name, but I'll use her name and call her Big Dick with her name.
And, you know, I'll say shit.
I'll say shit like that.
Right.
And now, so typically what you're doing, like, is there just like a community online?
And you said that there's certain sites that have this S-P-H porn,
and that's where you, like, this community,
where you found these girls that do these, this for guys?
Yes.
What are those sites?
Yeah.
Well, you can find them on Fat Life.
You can find them on kick.
You can find them on.
It used to be on what you call that it's gone.
Now, Badpigs used to have some girls that did it.
Uh-huh.
And Craig's List, which is gone.
But, yeah, it's primarily fat life and kick of the two biggest ones, I think.
Is it always done, like, online because these girls aren't in your neighborhood,
or have you ever had a girl that you've hired in person?
I've never, with the exception of the hot wife, she's the only...
Right. Oh, yeah, right, right, right.
And, but the rest of them have been online.
And there, I mean, she's a hot wife slash swinger.
and she has potty at a house sometimes or an husband and she had mentioned to me she actually
mentioned to me the next time she has a potty she wants me to go there and be in panties and stockings
and oh you know is she going to put a leash on you are you going to put a leash on yeah yeah she wants to put a leash on me
oh my god yeah it's crazy how things like that go down right like what is this
couple look like you know the guy too the husband uh i i know of in my head usually never there
when i do it but he knows about it right and um i bet she did mention she wanted to do that and then
she also wanted to bring me to the club one time and just drag me around on a leash have you ever
yet or not yet i i haven't done it yet i i would do it i think i would do it the club thing scares me
a little bit because, I mean, I know some of those people from my previous relationship.
Right.
Yeah. Uh-huh.
They don't know that about me and they know me and they know my ex.
So once I go down, if I go down that road, I mean, it's.
What, that you're into that as well?
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Like, nobody knows that other than the people that I deal with regularly.
You mean that you're into small penis humiliation or just humiliation in general?
The whole thing in general.
Like that's, yeah.
Right.
They know you more as a cuck or like just as a swinger.
Just more essentially a swinger.
Like they didn't even know about the whole cuck thing because it was never really a thing until that guy, that black guy that we had that experience.
Oh, that was the first time she was with another, just a guy and you were.
not hooking up too.
We had
done that before.
We had three sons with guys before
and with girls and
when we did that it was never
like it was always
collective like all of us.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But with him, she crossed
out of lines that weren't supposed to be crossed.
Yeah, right, I remember. Sorry.
Don't give it too much away.
People have to go listen to the episode.
Fuck them.
Go listen to his first episode.
If you have it, it's so good.
Yeah, and that's why, you know, that's what started the downfall.
I mean, I'd never experienced that before.
Right.
And now you're living in a whole new world where if something like that happened,
you'd be like, you would want that you would welcome it.
I would.
Now I would welcome it.
But like my ex and other people that know me in that world,
they have no
like if she heard that a woman was dragging me around
like she
she would be like what the fuck
right she never knew that you wore panties or anything
because you did mention that
no she knows nothing about that
she would be like and the people that know me
they would be like what the fuck's going on
like because I don't present that way
right
and you think listen I think a lot of times
if you're in that world
and you're doing all that stuff
and you're super open.
Nobody would think that you have something
that you're not being open with, right?
I mean, because you're like,
why would you be hiding anything?
You're already out here fucking swinging,
you know?
So it's like, I was once dating a guy
and we did a lot of drugs and alcohol together
and we just partied all the fucking time.
We were young in our 20s, you know?
And there was something going on with him
that I didn't know what it was.
And for many years I didn't know what it was.
And then I found out way later
that he was like snorting heroin
the whole time, but I would have never thought it was heroin because we would part, he would do shrooms and ecstasy and cocaine and everything under the sun in front of me. Why would I ever think that he wouldn't tell me about that? You know what I mean? Because it's like you're open about all the drugs you do. I would never think it was drugs, you know? So I think, you know, it's the same thing with you. Like here you are doing all these things sexually that no one would think you have another secret there because why wouldn't you be putting it out there?
Right. And I, you know, I just don't think, I don't know that I'm ready to, to cross that bridge yet.
Yeah, you have a lot of different lives going on.
I do. And that's for her, like when she mentioned about having me at her potty like that, she, you know, she said to me, she asked me, she said, is there anything that I should know?
and I said, what do you mean?
And she said in terms of limits or anything like that.
Yeah.
So to me, the whole thing of being dominated and humiliated and controlled,
if I tell you what you can and cannot do to me,
then I feel like it's not the same.
So I told my answer to her was, I want zero autonomy.
Right.
I want you to decide whatever it is.
Right.
That's a part of your fantasy.
You don't want to make any decisions.
The sub doesn't make the decisions.
I don't want to make any decisions.
If you tell me to do it, I'm going to do it.
And that's it.
But do the other parts of you that don't exist in that world, are they freaked out?
You know, like, you know, are they like, what the fuck are you doing?
Like, is that other parts of you, like, what the fuck is that part saying yes to, you know?
I mean, like, is there some part of you that's like, what the fuck?
Like, I don't, maybe I shouldn't go there or do that or, you know, it's crossing a line that maybe the other parts of you are, like, not cool with.
No, I've had, I, I, in hindsight, you know, hindsight can be a bitch sometimes.
Yeah.
Like, I'll, sometimes I'll watch back, like, the girl who does the stuff online to me, like, I'll watch, I'll watch back the videos that she sends me.
Mm-hmm.
of her degrading me and saying all kind of shit about me, like, that I enjoy.
But then I'll watch, I'll watch back at some of the stuff that she's made me do.
And I'm like, what the fuck am I doing?
Like what?
Well, I, last week, last week, I had a session with her.
And she told me to go and get a cracker.
and jerk off and come on the cracker and then she made me eat it.
Wow.
Just when you thought you've heard it.
Cracker, come cracker.
And I watched it back after and I'm like, what the fuck?
Right, but you ate it.
You did it.
She told me to do it, so I did it.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
I don't question.
I just do.
Right. What other kinds of crazy things have you done, Mike?
She had me another time. She had me give myself a golden shower in the tub.
I've done that. Another time she made me drink it.
I was just going to ask that. Oh, my goodness.
And I did not, I did not enjoy that at all.
Yeah.
You know what I mean? It wasn't pleasant.
Was it a turn on?
It turned on?
at the same time, it was not something I enjoyed
or would do. Right, right.
You know what I mean? I never decided to do that.
Yeah. But, you know, it's
kind of interesting. Didn't you say on your last episode
like all these guys that just want to fuck
guys, but then they say they're not into guys? I mean,
here you are like I do
these things, but I'm not into them. You know, I mean,
everybody says...
Well, yeah. Everyone
compartmentalizes things in certain ways.
I get it. Other people don't, but
it's just human nature.
I think
that's pretty accurate.
As far as the guys go, I think
you know, if a guy is
if a guy is with me
and I'm sucking his dick,
don't tell me you're straight. Like, don't tell me that.
Like, don't even say anything.
Well, there's going to be people
listening to this episode saying,
don't tell me you're not into cum crackers
because you fucking ate one last week.
But yeah, but it wasn't
because I wanted to do that. It was because
she told me to do it. That was...
Whatever. I know, but...
But you know what a guy would say, what the guy say to me, because I used to think like you and my mind has been changed over the years.
You know, my thing was like, if you like a dick in your mouth and you suck a dick and a dick is a part of a man, then you like men.
No, I don't like men.
Like, what the fuck?
You know what I mean?
That's what I'm saying.
Right, but the guy says, I don't walk down.
I can't explain it, but they have this.
Everyone rationalizes things and they have the same, they have comebacks and the way that they,
I think it's like the way that someone frames things themselves.
Sometimes doesn't make sense to other people, but it makes sense to the person.
For you, you're like, I don't want to do it, but I do it.
But you do want to do it because you do it.
You know, I mean, like, you could argue all these things.
I think at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter.
I think that, you know, we're all made up of different concoctions.
I think that we all frame things certain ways so that we could fucking swallow them about
ourselves, you know, I think we're all
have different parts of ourselves that
look at other parts of ourselves, like I said, that scenario
before, you know, and I understand it.
Yeah. No,
I get where you're coming from. I do.
Yeah. And you?
I actually had a guy tell me one time.
Yeah. Yeah.
This is, I'm fucking blowing
him. Yeah. And he's talking
about girls and stuff. He's
trying to tell me that he's straight and this and that.
And he said, it's not
the guy getting his dick
that's gay. It's the guy who's
suck in the dick that's gay. Right. See, that's his scenario. But I know guys that suck dick that
would say, would have like an answer back for why they're doing it, but they're not gay, quote,
unquote. You know, I mean, come on. It's all nonsense. But if it works for you, it works for you.
Yeah. I mean, yeah, basically. You know, I guess. I mean, is there anything? Let me ask you this.
You've ate calm on a crocker. You've drank your piss. Is there anything that you've ever said no to?
No.
No?
No, I can't think of anything, though.
I've got all of those things.
I've fucked myself with dildos.
I've done everything that I've been asked to do.
Right.
I'm told to do, actually.
It's never presented in the form of a question.
It's usually, you go do this.
I mean, it's so crazy because this is not something,
this whole world that you've lived in
and that you've been into.
something that you ever experienced before.
You experienced so many other things, like people
have to listen to your first episode to hear that.
I mean, you spent a lot of your life.
Figuring out what you were into, and you got into
a lot of things. You were super open.
It's so interesting that this didn't
present itself until
so much later, and now
here you are fully
involved in this and totally
into this as well. It's a whole
new thing. I think
about that all the time.
Yeah. Like,
how did I get to this place?
Yeah.
How did you get?
Let's make it all come full circle and end it here.
How did you get to this place?
I forget.
Like what was,
oh,
it was when that girl laughed at you.
That was the beginning.
That was the first memory I had.
Yeah, maybe it's like,
you know, like I said,
that happening, like brings all of your fear.
Like, I think that was a very powerful moment in your life.
life, not, you know, it wasn't so much about her, but for you, I think that probably brought
up and out and in your face a lot of maybe things that you were suppressing. Like they say what
you resist, persist. Maybe when, I think it was a turning point that because you faced your fear
in a positive way, because wouldn't you rather, let me ask you this, would you rather live the way
you are now or being embarrassed and insecure and, you know, always afraid of this side of you?
I prefer being able to embrace it more than I was before.
I would rather be that way.
The way you are now?
The way I am now.
Right.
I mean, I wouldn't want to go back to like my anxiety used to be.
off the chops. Right. Yeah, that's what I mean. Like, you know, and I think because that anxiety,
what that anxiety is all about is that somebody would, you pulled your fucking pants out and some
bitch would laugh at you. And then when that happened, in a weird way, that was like,
that helped you. Because it is facing your fear. Yeah. I definitely did. Like, even with
my doctor, who's a woman, I would always, like, be anxious. Yeah.
Of course.
You know, but now, like, I had a, I had a visit with her two months ago.
Yeah.
And when it was a complete, like, hit the toe, and I'm naked now with the Johnny, she's got me standing in,
and looks up to Johnny and checks for hernia.
And I was digging it.
Like, I was, like, all about it.
Yeah.
And I had not, like, I wasn't
Right.
And she popped it out and, you know,
check my balls and like I was all about it.
Right, you weren't sweating.
But in the past, before that, that's changing you,
that would have been like a horrifying three seconds of your life.
It was.
Yeah.
It was always a horrifying.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And the buildup to it and then when it happened,
then finally just it's over, you're happy.
But like that was.
probably like a bad day for you. Yeah. Yeah. I'm really bad day. Yeah. Wow, but you don't have bad days
anymore. You're eating cum crackers. You're going to be on a leash next week at a party walking around.
Can you get that hot wife on my podcast? Tell her to call it. Oh, I, I wish me. Yeah, find out. Tell her I change
everyone's voices. I'm going to change your voice, Mike. Excuse me Mike's bad sound. Okay, a bad
sound through this one, bad sound
in and out, you'll hear.
But, you know, I literally
could talk to you for another hour, but we're at an hour
now, so I'm going to wrap it up. But I love
your both episodes.
You are that type of person,
like I said, that just pulls stuff out.
And there's always something more. Like, we could
have probably just done a whole episode on, you know, being
caged and all that shit.
But this was fascinating. I've had a lot of
guys call in with a small penis humiliation
fetish.
I've already taped them.
Yours is going to come out first.
I know I'm going to get tons of other guys.
I mean, it's not as uncommon as you think.
I've got a lot of emails.
And then when I post an episode, I get so many more, you know.
So go look at the comments on YouTube.
This will be up right after your other one.
So be prepared.
Yeah, I'll definitely keep an eye out for it.
I mean, I would, you know, as we talk, I just, it just,
other things pop into my head.
Like, I remember all these other things.
I know. Like I said, you're going to have to come back on, you know, not to the third episode now, but we will in the future. Yeah, because there's just a lot there. But you gave me two great episodes that are going to run back to back, which to me is really fun. I've never done it that way, but it's perfect the way you presented it. So it works. And like I said, 10 times on this episode, if you didn't listen yet to Mike's first episode, you need to go listen to that because that's really fucking fascinating.
in that episode when I promote that one,
I will put in the intro that people need to,
you know, that this one's coming.
So anyway,
thanks so much for calling in again
and sharing even more stories.
They're all fascinating.
I loved it.
Thank you so much.
Thanks, Mike.
We'll talk again.
Hopefully we can do another one.
Yeah, tell that bitch, that girl,
that call me.
I couldn't call her a bitch.
Well, you know, oh, my God.
I'm joking.
Like, that's the way I talk.
You know, as a joke.
Like, you know, just the bitch.
Like, bitch is like a nice word girls call each other.
Like, what's up, bitch?
Like, I don't know.
I mean, at least I do.
Well, she calls me a bitch, so.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You're right.
You're right.
You got to call her ma'am.
Well, find out.
Ask her if she could.
Queen, actually.
Yeah, queen.
Ask the queen if she could come on.
I'd love to talk to her.
Let me know.
Keep me posted.
Thanks, Mike.
Okay.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Bye.
Bye.
Bye-bye.
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