Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 620 - Kandace and Gregory are Swingers who F*cked Their Way to Enlightenment

Episode Date: April 12, 2023

Kandace and Gregory are swingers who f*cked their way to enlightenment and they called in to talk all about it. How long were they married before they started swinging? Why were they so successful at it? And, when and how did they become “enlightened”? Tune in for all the details including the hot tub experience that started it all, their first trip to Hedonism and what exactly went down there, the mentor Kandace met there and what she taught her about the lifestyle, Kandace’s first hook up with another guy and how she felt afterwards, the two girl Blow job Gregory got and how Kandace felt about watching it go down, how and when they decided to fully come out to their kids and how that all went down, how and why the people in the lifestyle become like family to them, how and why they label themselves fluid demisexuals, how and why they don’t “ground and pound’ anymore and why having a connection now is key to their hook ups, why they meet up mostly with female unicorns and where they find them, how and why then recently got into plant medicine and their experiences with ayahuasca, where they did it, what each one of them learned about themselves while doing it and how it completely changed the both of them, why they started mentoring people as well as wrote their book F*cking Our Way to Enlightenment, a Swinger’s Journey to Divine Sexuality plus a whole lot more. https://www.evolutionarysex.org  **To see anonymous pics of KANDACE AND GREGORY plus all of my other female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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You could cancel it anytime and you get a lot of content for that five bucks. Okay. You'll be happy, trust me. So anyway, today I have on Candace and Gregory. Now, Candice and Gregory emailed me and I'm like, oh, they wrote a book called Fucking Our Way to Enlightenment, a Swinger's Journey to Divine Sexuality. I was like, oh, that's a good title, you know. This is a couple who have been together for 42 years and 23 of them.

They have been in an open relationship. Of course, we start there, like how and why did they open up their marriage? They talk about that. It all was like a hot tub experience. And then they went to hedonism on a nudie vacation. And they talk about like what went down there and how they both felt. She talks about her fantasy that she put out there to him. And he talks about how he realized he was into compersion.

She met her mentor there. She talks about what she learned from her mentor. Once they got back from that initial hedonism vacation, they got hardcore into the lifestyle. They went on additional cruises and parks. and all that kind of stuff. And they eventually, like, opened up and let their family, meaning their children know that they are in an open marriage and have been. And they talk about how they got to that place.

I specifically asked them, like, how did that whole conversation go down? Because that's, like, a little crazy to just, like, put that out there to your children. We talk about that. And what led them to do that, actually, was an ayahuasca experience. They both did ayahuasca. They talk about where they went and did it. They talk about why they chose the exact place that they went to because it was actually a very safe place to do it. And they talk about how it completely changed both of them.

I asked a lot of questions about the ayahuasca experience because I'm curious about it. I'm too petrified and paranoid to do it. But I do think there's something too. And everyone that talks about it talks about how amazing it is. And it was really amazing and transformative for the both of them. And they get very specific on that. It changed them from grounding and pounding people to like being much more intentional about who and how they have sex.

They label themselves as demisectuals and they explain what that means. And they also talk about how and why they started to do consultations for other couples. They are available. If you're a couple that wants help navigating or starting out in the lifestyle, they can help you. They want to help you. They have phone consultations that are available. If you need help, don't email me. People email me all the time with questions about the lifestyle and stuff.

I'm like either listen to my episodes or now you could actually reach out to Candace and Gregory. These are professionals, okay? They can help you navigate the lifestyle. And you could find that information on their mentorship towards the end of this episode, but also you could go to their website, evolutionary sex.org. Okay, that's evolutionary sex.org. I'm going to put all the links to their website and their book, fucking our way to enlightenment, a swinger's journey to divine sexuality in the description.

But anyway, you're going to love this episode. They're great people. so I'm going to be right back on with Candace and Gregory. Welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast. How are you guys? We're doing amazing. Isn't that funny? I said we,

but then that's what happens when we've been together for 45 years. Yeah, you are a we. You guys met in Sunday school and now you're fucking swingers, which is kind of like a, you know, a very big full circle. Right? Because, I mean, how young were you that when you guys met each other? Seven and eight. Seven and eight.

Wow. And then when did you, how old were you when you got married? We were 21 and 22. But we had her first date when we were 12 and 13. I think it was during a church youth group out. And then she was invited to my 18th birthday party. I suppose 18th birthday party. And I took one look at her and went, well, she's blossomed.

And four years later we got married. Wow. So you guys, I'm assuming, started swinging together eventually. Like, how long were you married before you? you did open up your relationship. Because what eventually happens? And let me just get like to the, like, let me just tell the whole story in one sentence. I mean, you and Candice and Gregory, you guys been married forever.

You started swinging. And now you actually mentor people about, I'm assuming mentorship, like within the, like, navigating the lifestyle. You have a book, which has a great title, okay, called Fucking Our Way to Enlightenment. You know, we're going to get to that book. I'll put a link to it in the description. But how long were you guys married before you started swinging? That's the whole, that's where I want to start.

Well, can I answer this one? Yeah. Okay. 20 years of marriage. It was when I turned 40, I just felt like the marriage was great. And of course, we had a wonderful marriage with two kids and a house and dog and career. and but it was just lacking in bed. It was becoming mundane, doing the same things, same positions, you know, that tends to happen

when you're together for such a long time. And I wasn't a big pornoma watcher and either was Gregory. So it was one of those things that we decided that maybe we should start some adult vacations and make it a yearly thing. And we decided we like to be naked. We enjoy nude beaches. So we thought, well, let's go someplace where we could be nice. naked and of course it took us to hedonism in Jamaica.

Oh, so that was your first time opening up your relationship at all? Pretty much, yeah. Pretty much. I mean. Pretty much. I mean. Previous, you know, playing with some friends and, you know, getting involved in it. Enough to know that it intrigued us, you know, and that it wasn't, uh, there wasn't an emotional issue between us.

There wasn't the jealousy or, or any of that. It was, you know, we were both seeking pleasure. And, uh, although we didn't really note it. time, you know, or describe it to ourselves at the time. But that's really what it was. You know, we're just looking for a pleasurable place to go that we could have some fun at. When you say there was no jealousy, I mean, you knew already, because you've been with each other, I'm assuming, for 20 years, that you were very secure in your marriage and there would be absolutely no jealousy, seeing each other with other partners. Because typically with couples, a lot of times, I mean, they go in

with a lot of rules and regulations. There is some trepidation because, you know, how are you really going to feel when you do see your partner with somebody else. I mean, none of that was discussed ahead of time. You already were at the place where you knew you'd both be down. Well, that's an interesting question. And I think my take on it was, Gregory is my beloved. And no matter what I did or what we did together, it was always mutual and we always did it with love and with admiration for each other and respect for each other. So we kind of went in already. ready with that open-mindedness yet that we weren't going to hurt each other in any way. So we would leave the lines of communication open between us.

And so there wasn't a lot of rules, not in the beginning for sure, because we didn't know that there should be rules because we were so new to it, nor did we know anything about consent. We didn't know any of that, you know, which is such a big deal nowadays. You know, we talk about your boundaries, fears and desires that we express with new partners, but back then there wasn't any of that. It was kind of like, okay, if you're going to be a swinger, you just kind of jump right in.

And we're all there for the same thing. We're all there for sex. Well, it's kind of different now. And people are thinking quite differently. And I'm going to let Greg continue. Because I can tell, I can feel his energy right now. I think he needs to say something. Yeah, they're in different rooms because they have to be together.

So they can see each other. So you go, you go, Gregory. It is very interesting, actually. Maybe, maybe, you know, looking back, feeling each other's energies that that assisted us going into the lifestyle, opening ourselves up. Yeah, it was just a, we never had any really deep conversations about it. The first time just happened. And as we as we describe in our story, it's, you know, as they often do, it started in the hot tub. And it was just after a few drinks and mutual friends and just an openness.

and one thing led to another. And the next morning, it was, you know, reflecting back on it. It was kind of a, you know, a little bit of a shock. And what did we just do? And, you know, but I'm okay with it. You know, did you have fun? And yeah, I had fun. Well, that started the conversation.

And that's what started these annual week trips that we would take just to rebind ourselves and ended up being rebinding with others. So there was a hot tub experience. first then before you wind up saying let's go to a nudie beach like or go to hedonism correct yeah that's for sure yes that's how it all kind of started it was just uh experimental you know how you you do that with friends and not everybody does that with friends well let's say if you're naked in the hot tub so of course you know you're looking at you know your friend's breasts and you're looking at his dick and and everyone's getting all titillated and

before you know it, you're touching each other, you're kissing each other, and before you know it, now you're fully involved with each other. And so you guys were in the hot tub with friends of yours, and this was the first time that you guys played with other people, and you all fully swapped that time? Like, what exactly went down in that hot tub? Yeah, fully swapped, actually. I went inside with our female friend, and, you know, which was in earshot of our hot tub, and Ken stayed in the tub. And I don't even recall exactly who got back into the tub if we got back into the tub or if they came back inside. But it was just one of those great evenings that progressed. Right.

And then that's when you decided, oh, let's try to maybe go on vacation and do something like this together. Outside of where we live from, maybe that's safest to do at first? I don't know. Is that why you decided on a nudie vacation? And also, it was out of the country, too. and off, you know, off to Jamaica, you know, go someplace where no one knew you. Exactly. You could be as free as you want to be and express your sexuality in a safe environment.

Yeah. Listen, I'm just like, it's interesting that you mentor people because you wouldn't tell people to do it the way you guys did it, right? I mean, because you guys kind of like just jumped right in. And I assume it's because you did have all that security in your relationship, like you said. you just knew that you were both in and for the long haul. But for the regular couple that's looking to get into the lifestyle, I would assume that you have you mentor people to do it and have more conversations about it and stuff

before you get into that hot tub or just go on vacation without even talking about it, correct? Exactly. Oh, definitely, definitely. I mean, just because it was kind of a flow thing with us, I think couples just need to keep the lines of communication open and to figure out what their desires are and fantasies. And that was one of the first things that happened in desire, not desire in communism.

Yes, in Jamaica. And before we even jumped into playing with others, I needed my fantasy fulfilled. And it was one of those things that we talk about. What was your fantasy? In the book, you know. Yes. like on page 24 how basically I kind of come in there and I look at Greg and I go, okay, if we're going to do this, how about you allow?

I'm going to say the word allow. I know that's not a very nice word to say or accept that I spend some time with a big black guy with a big dick and fulfill my fantasy, which I had this ongoing dream that went on for years that I was with with somebody else. And to my surprise, Gregory said, okay, okay, I agree to this. You know, you can go off because I said I wanted to do this by myself. Not even with him there. And I didn't want him to be around.

And that was huge, huge for me to ask. Like, I mean, it was kind of terrifying in the way because I didn't know how he was going to accept this, you know. It was terrifying to answer. her. And how do you feel about it when she asked you? I just, I had, unbeknownst to me, and we didn't discover the term for it until years later, compersion. And that's just I had, I drew a great pleasure from seeing my love one in pleasure, being pleasureed or being happy. And it was exciting for me as it was for her, I think.

You know, I had lots of thoughts going through my head, you know, that first time, you know, when you're left alone, your wife has just taken off with some guys. You know, all those thoughts that sort of roll through your head and change over time. They were all there. But we addressed them. You know, and I addressed them with myself more importantly. And it wasn't something that I bottled up, that I shared and, you know, was able to express where I came from. And it was incredibly titillating for both of us.

Right. You waiting for her is like for play. I mean, for the guy that likes that and is into compersion. Right? Yeah. Very much so. Very much so. And then so where do you meet the guy?

guy was he just in like at the where do you get your big BBC guy from oh interesting well of course we didn't realize at the time when we booked this trip to hito that it was a complete lifestyle's convention takeover so there was it was hot and heavy and it was out there and there was sex by the pool and on the pool and on the bar and and in the bathrooms and in rooms and everything was just so out in the open. It was a little bit terrifying, but titillating at the same time. And to go off with this gentleman, I already had talked to who ended up being my mentor, you know, the day before I had talked to her. And she said, don't you worry, women make all the decisions. Yeah, I hear that all the time. Yes. And how important that is and how that makes you feel so much more secure and in control,

which is really important to me. And so she explains me, well, you go up to the wife and you ask. So that's exactly what I did. I saw the two of them together and I went to the wife and I said, listen, I'm new to the lifestyle, but I've always had this fantasy and I'd really like to take your man and go off by ourselves and fulfill my fantasy. And of course she was excited. She was kind of titillage with, whoa.

And she said, yes, please do. So that's how that's how that came about. How did you meet your mentor? Like you said, oh, and I talked to my mentor. Like who was this woman that you met? Was she someone you knew beforehand or you met her on that trip? No, not at all. We just kind of met her at the pool side.

There was this one pool area that was just loud music and there was women getting body shots and men licking up their asses, licking the alcohol off. And it was all this craziness all around. and I just went, oh my God, this is overload. I need to find another pool. And of course, you know, in Hito, there's quite a few pools, different areas you can go to. So we went to a quieter area. And in that area, one of the first couples that we met ended up being my mentor.

And they had already been in the lifestyle for at least 10 years. And so they knew their ins and outs. And basically she told me, don't you worry, you know, women will make the decisions. And then she also said, you know, because for me, it was, you know, after having this guy the next day, I'm feeling, oh, my God, we got to hang out with them, you know, we better make sure that we have lunches with them. You know, I can't just ditch him. And so later, of course, I run into my mentor and I said, how am I supposed to handle this? I have nothing to say to him. It was like one of those things. I just wanted my fantasy fulfilled. And she said, just move on. He was just your fuck buddy. And now you just can move on because that's what everybody does here. And I went, really? Yeah, like how different than the regular vanilla world. Yes, yes. And just knowing that, I went, oh, thank God, that's all I have to say. Okay, see you later.

And you're off and you're off, you know, meeting new people and, yes. And so now what about you, Gregory? What did you do that trip? Anything? Yeah, it's interesting because it wasn't even something that I was exploring or considering exploring like I at that point I didn't have any perceived fantasies that I wanted to that I wanted to feel but yeah the day that Kenneth was talking about when we met our mentors we had left this this crazy pool party and made our way over to this quieter pool and and you know as we were speaking

these people it was time for me to and I and I don't recall if it was go to the bathroom or something but on the way back I was I was bringing back some drinks back to our crew and these two girls walked towards me and it was in the shallow and into the pool. So, you know, just right around my waist or just below my waist. And the one girl asked me, she goes, you know, excuse me, do you have the time? And I said, you know, sure, I gave her the time. And they looked at each other and went, hmm, I guess we own something. And immediately they got down on their knees and they both started to give me this two-headed blowjob. Meanwhile, Candace was standing at the other end of the pool looking at me. Our friends are looking at me. I'm looking at them.

I'm looking at these girls below me. I've got these drinks in my hand and it's like, well, what do you do? You know, they got up. They said, thank you. And gave me a quick peck. and off they went. That was our introduction to this to this whole week and it just went uphill from there. Now Candace, were you horny like watching him with other women as well? Did that turn you on to? Well, I didn't know it would, but it did. It was exciting to know that that he had that sexual energy that was attracting all these beautiful women. And I love that. I love that. That was actually a real turn on for me as well. Just watching. that. And then do you, like, what about, like, either of you, do you ever play with the same

sex? Like, Candice, did you ever start hooking up with women in your journey? And what about you, Greg? Erie? We have, but it wasn't until a little bit later. I mean, I would say the true hookup wasn't until later on in our lifestyle, but in the early stages, yes, there was lots of kissing. I mean, women on women was a very normal thing. Yeah. An expected thing. Guys like, to see that. It turned the guys on. And it turned us on knowing it was turning the man on, of course. Right. And so, you know, you'd fondle their breasts, so you put your hand on their pussy. But I wasn't one to go down on a woman, not at that time. I wasn't interested. Yeah. I just, I was all about the dick in the early stages, for sure. And that's where my connection was, because that's what I wanted.

Of course, things evolved from then and things had changed, you know, through, you know, 20 years. of course it's going to change because you want variety. Yeah. And the more we do it and the more situations that we're in, yeah, we would go with the flow, whatever happened on that night. You know, it would take us to different events, different pleasure points, whether or not we were into more fetishes and kink and girl on girl play. I mean, it started to evolve.

Right. So you go out at heat. So you come back from hedonism and then when do you start getting into all the, other stuff like do you eventually start going to swingers clubs and parties in your area? Yeah, that started basically as soon as we got back. There was very few places available. You know, that was at the rear premature end of the of the internet. And so it wasn't a lot of searches available that way. So it was still in the back of the local newspaper, Wont ads, and that sort of thing is how people would communicate back then. You would find out about clubs.

And, you know, the messages got out. But slowly there was a club that. It was a couple's house that they would renovate and turn into a party pad. And so they started to have hosting parties, which is great because it really opens up your bubble. You know, all of a sudden you're getting old. People you're meeting, you know, like-minded people. And then it just grew from there. You know, just, you know, talking to this person, talking to that person. Eventually, we started to do some additional traveling.

You know, we found out of what some cruises that were available. and then we got into some more exclusive cruising, hotel takeovers. It just kept growing. And eventually, COVID hit and kind of shut everything down. But up until that, it was pretty busy. Now, listen, if people go to your website, you do have a website, it's called Evolutionary Sex, correct? Dot org?

Yeah. And they could see your book. You don't fucking are way to Enlightenment. Now, you guys are all over that website, your face, your names, you're right there. So you were out and proud as of now. Were you always that way, or when did that happen that you let everybody know that this was, that you guys were in the lifestyle?

Oh, that's an interesting topic. That just all happened in October, 2020. Yes, yes. Last year, varies. Well, because of writing the book, we kind of realized that we needed to be a little bit more open and transparent and especially with our family. And that's when we decided to tell our young boys, which are now, you know, 26 and 29. We figured they could handle it. And they did. They handled it very well. And in fact, it has opened up a line of communication

that's even better, believe it or not, just because of it. Wow. I've never heard that story. Like, how do you sit them down all together? Is it a conference call? It a Zoom? No, it was a story. We've basically been out to most people for quite a while, especially business people. We were both in the film business, both artists for a living. So, you know, it's almost a badge of honor for us to, you know, to be able to carry that.

It was just, you know, your artists. Yeah, yeah. We're forgiven for a lot of things. It's almost cool. I mean, it's almost like that's, if you don't roll that way, you're more of an outcast in that world, right? Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, that's what we carried on for years. And then, you know, as Candace was saying, we started to write this book. And we got halfway through it. And we had a revelation from our editor as she was reading through it. And, you know, just discussing other people loving us and revealing themselves. And we just looked at her and went, you bitch, why did you say that? Now we have to do this. And it just made us feel like, you're right. You know, she was. She was completely right.

And so we, Candace, organized dinner with the family and their significant others and said that she had something to tell them. Oh, my God. Yeah, you can tell them the rest of the story, Karen. Well, of course, you know, you kind of bring up, oh, you know, the grandparents and stuff and, you know, what they're all going through. But, of course, then when it came down to telling them, I just kind of looked over at Gregory and I said, oh, and your father has something to say.

He bonded off on him. I did. So as I felt the truck tires driving over my body, I looked and I said, well, I said, your mother and I have been involved in an open relationship for 23 years, and we've written a book, and, you know, I spilled it out to them. And the response was, me, it was, you know, I told you so. They knew. And it was just whatever, you know, let's move on.

Yeah, yeah. And, you know, they just did not make a thing out of it, which was such a blessing to us. Yeah, they grew up in a very different generation, right, than you did, than I did. But let me ask you this. Did they, like, were they like, oh, we kind of knew, like, come on, it was so obvious, or were they shocked? Yeah, the only question was, is, because we used to send them for weekends away with the nanny. we had a living nanny to stay at a hotel to go, you know, because then they could go to the swimming pool and they can rent videos and do service and have a little mini holiday. Yeah, fun.

So we got that, so we got one of those. So when you used to send us to the hotels with the nannies, were you? And then you just kind of look at these days. Let's just move on from there. Yeah, we were having parties. Oh, my God, that's hilarious. So, you know, I had asked you. But it's a safe way.

Yeah, but I had, yeah, and that's fun for them too. Like how fun for the kids to go. I mean, you were both getting what you both wanted at that time, right? They were having the best fucking weekend, and so were you. Yeah. And so then, okay, so, you know, before we got on the phone, I had your website in front of me, and, you know, when you go onto your website, Evolutionary Sex.org, you see your book there, and then it's like fucking our way to enlightenment.

Maggie and Josh are your typical couple, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, who the fuck are Maggie and Josh? And you're like, so is Maggie and Josh your fake names that you were going to use before you guys came out? That's correct. Exactly what it is. Exactly what it is. But once we wrote the book and, you know, it was just, it just didn't sound right to us reading back in the book.

And there's a little bit of a backstory with the two names. Yeah. But we just thought it read white. And so, you know, we just thought we'd leave it in there. And it's kind of a fun name that we, you know, throw around here and so on now. And interesting enough, there's a lot of swingers out there when they go to events. and they travel, they don't use their real names. Yeah, no, I know.

So it is typical. Yeah, it's typical that a lot of people are doing this on the DL. They can't let other people know. But I do hear from a lot of people, most people, when they do enter the lifestyle, it's like a lot of times a lot of their vanilla friends like fall by the wayside. And most of their friends become people in the lifestyle because the people there are like-minded, but they tend to be very open and cool people. And people always say like, oh my God, we met the greatest people like they're our friends.

We have barbecues. We do other stuff besides fuck them. Yes. No, they do tend to overlap. And a lot of times that are a swinger friends, their whole family would come over and have a family meal with all of us together. You know, with with and it all just felt comfortable. Of course, you know, we're not, we're not all over each other in any way. We definitely have boundaries that, you know, that we sort of set.

between us all, especially in public arrangements, but it really does become your family, you know, because the like-mindedness and stories that you can share and openness that you can be, you know, I think is a big part of it as well, you know, just to be your true on itself. Yeah. Now, I know that you started, like you got back from your hedonism vacation, you started, you started hooking up with people in your area. You know, when did all these other experience start, like when Candace hooked up with women? I don't know. know Gregory, I don't know whether I got the answer from you, whether you eventually ever tried hooking up with guys. Yeah, that developed, but it took a long time until very, very recently.

And in fact, guy on guy contact within, as much as the guys love to watch the women together, it just does not work with the men. I have met so, it's just, I've met so many homophobic men over the years, you know, guys that just, you know, you couldn't let your swords cross. You couldn't, like, accidentally touch each other in bad. It was just like, really. Real paranoia. Yeah. And, you know, I see that changing a lot, you know, with men allowing themselves to be a bit more vulnerable, more open. And but it's, it's only been the last, you know, probably six months to a year, you know, that I've kind of started to play a little bit in that direction, a little exploration and openness.

And it's, it's become more of an energetic thing for us. So as opposed to who it is or what they are, it's a feeling. It's just an energy that drives us to guide other and it attracts us. Yeah, I think that's the way young people look at things more so, don't you think? Yeah, yeah. We do have a name for ourselves. We do call ourselves fluid demisexuals. Oh, okay.

And for that reason, I don't know if you know what that all means. Fluid meaning that however the situation. and the energy around us, the energy force will take us. And then being demisexuals is having that connection, not only physically, but mentally with somebody, that you actually have a deeper connection. And that's what we look for now. Yeah, that connection can be made very quickly.

Like, it's not like we need to date somebody three or four times or five times to find that connection. You can, within 15 minutes sometimes, you can just feel that there's a connection, there, you know, that you're on the same wavelength, as they say. And, and then it just opens everything out. Yeah, well, I mean, because you're a couple and you're playing with other couples, I mean, one of the things I do hear from couples is a lot of times it's hard if you're doing swaps and you're doing hookups with other couples together. It's hard to get everybody on the same page, like two, you know,

every, four people all attracted to all four people at one time, you know? It's easier to just find people and maybe play solo sometimes. I mean, do you find that you guys have the same taste and typically hook up with couples and it's easy to find couples that you both connect. Couples are difficult now. Well, before when it was just a ground and pound, it was pretty easy. But when you're trying to do ground and pound, which is, you know, you're thinking from your penis, from your vulva. And now when you're trying to do a little bit more of an energy connection, mind orgasms,

just trying to find a matched couple is difficult. Yeah. So we do tend to find singles. and mostly single women who are more open, you know, and they're more into that energy sharing. And it is. It's harder to find men for sure. So where do you find your unicorns?

Those single women. You know what? They come to us. They feel our energy and they are attracted to us. It's interesting. Where are you meeting the single women, like in your area just within the lifestyle? Or are you guys on any apps or anything like that?

we are on a few apps but it's all just been friends through friends it's just been told productions that way or people that have been in our lives for a number of years that have been in sort of in the background and have just all of a sudden come forward and reveal themselves

that's what's most recently our new practice isn't you know as council is saying in the ground and pound realm it's much more energetic you know energy sharing and you know slow sex and it doesn't attract a lot of men to begin with.

Yeah. Unfortunately. Or fortunately, because it attracts more women to us. So I think, you know, we all win in that regard. Right. Because now at this point, Candace, you are into women. You have been with women. Yes.

Oh, definitely. That has all changed. And just the energy that women bring and how it just makes Gregory and I as we are becoming one with our energies. and then you have that third feminine energy come in into that triangle. It's quite powerful. And it's wonderful to feel. And it takes you into a whole different kind of feeling of euphoric and erotica.

And, yeah, it's pretty amazing. It's pretty amazing. It's nothing like the old ground and pound was. this is definitely a lot more spiritual too, I would say. And is that what you're, I mean, I'm assuming that's where your name of your website came out. And like, I mean, the word enlightenment is, it's like fucking your way to enlightenment. So you are bringing those two things together, correct? Because you've brought it together in your own life, right?

Yes, correct. Yeah. And that we actually discovered very organically. And it's been really interesting for us for the last year. Ashley's Sins writing the book and how much more we've discovered. as we were writing the book about ourselves. And it's not so much understanding about ourselves, but understanding what we've been doing.

And it started with COVID. We had just come back. We had done DMT. We had done multiple sessions of ayahuasca, and mushrooms and MDMA. We're really getting to the deep, dark parts of our spirituality. And we started to ask me ourselves. Like is this lifestyle still for us?

Like, why are we doing this? Why are we, you know, is it purely an ego-driven thing? Is that why we're doing it? Is that, you know, why? So we had all these questions. And, you know, as we were going through that discussion with ourselves, COVID hit. And everything got locked down, which meant, you know, we weren't going to go into those social circles. Those things weren't happening anymore.

So we ended up spending an hour and a half every day, every other day. and just connecting with ourselves and each other. And it was through breathwork, it was through, you know, reciprocal breathing. It was, you know, our touch and the very, this very light touch that we were working with each other on. We're exploring energies. So it's all these things that we were working on together in our connection through that time. And as COVID slowly kind of, you know, started to dissipate and our bubble started getting a little bit big, we started getting a lot of single females started coming over here and being within our bubble just you know as a safe zone and

that led to us sharing what we've been learning with them and it's now developed into this whole sort of a program or or approach that we're that we're trying to bring into to our sexuality and our sexuality with others and it's just so much more powerful you know I just I can have 12 13 14 14 14 14 orgasms in a night and and still wake up in the morning, you know, and these aren't ejacatory orgasms. They're just full body orgasms and much more fulfilling. It's kind of like maybe like, what, Sting, what, like, you know, we're on the street. So many, you remember years ago, like, oh, Sting and Trudy were talking about all this tantric sex that they were having and stuff. It just kind of sounds like that's what you guys maybe were doing or, you know, it wasn't sort of, it wasn't explained at that time, right? Yeah, it's part of the Nealty. Yeah, it's part of

the neotantra for sure, you know, and you're doing more eye-gazing. You're just, you're just doing things in a way that's a lot more mindfulness. It's mindful sex. Yeah, I like this. I mean, I haven't had anybody talk from this place before. I know that you said in the beginning, like it eventually led us to swinging and then plant, plant-based medicine and everything. Like, let's go back to like your ayahuasca trips. You know, what did you learn when you did that about yourselves? Oh, Candice, you want to take yours first? With your healing? Oh, yes.

Yeah, the big thing was healing. Healing personally, my physical body, you know, how that had already changed. And opening myself up to the spirit world, you got realized we came from Christian background. So they were quite strict back then, you know, when you're a Baptist and where even yoga was considered a bad thing because you're opening up. to opening up yourself to the spirit world or opening up and so that anything could could come in. The devil could come in. I mean, they used to say all sorts of things. And for years, I never did yoga.

And I think because of that, that was always in the back of my mind. Oh, what am I opening myself up to? And so doing something like Ayahuasco, which of course does open up the spirit world, was something that I wanted to explore even more of. And by exploring it, they gave me the opportunity to give myself freedom to try anything and everything that gave me pleasure. Interesting. As we call ourselves, PSAs, we are pleasure-seeking adults. Well, this would be the next part of our evolution is to explore now this side.

which was, do you want to continue, Greg, on your side of ayahuasca? The pleasure side of it. Yeah. Yeah, well, very much, it did, you know, tunis in completely. My biggest takeaway, you know, I had some amazing revelations and every night was completely different. But the one most prevalent light was was on ladies' night. And it was all female shaman, female workers. It was, you know, a beautiful feminine energy in the room.

And I had designed a temple and I married myself. And to me coming out, that was the, that was, that was the thing that was the most powerful, you know, experience that I've, that I've ever had. And it was just basically, you know, knowing myself, knowing where I'm coming from, knowing, knowing who I am and what I want to represent. And so, you know, extremely powerful from that end of it. So much so at that point, I wanted to reveal, you know, to, you know, to our kids that, you know, that, you know, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that. that we had this open relationship, and that was at that time. So that was three years ago. And I was very quickly kind of told, you know, by friends that were there, like, oh, no,

you can't do that. And, you know, and of course, Candace had her reservations. You know, the whole Madonna thing. Like there's, there's obviously, this is something we need to talk about as a couple. You know, can't just go out there and say, you know, oh, by the way, you know, this is, this is what your mother and I've been doing. So it was really repressing me. Like, I really just kind of shut that whole thing down.

And it wasn't until, you know, we came out to the family that it just finally, you know, the weight was off my shoulders. And, you know, just like coming out, you know, it was just a wonderful feeling. And just to have that freedom and to be true and honest to yourself. And just enjoy life and seek its pleasures. Right. And so that ayahuasca trip that you took helped with that, correct? Is that what you're saying? That led you to be open enough.

to want to let your family. Let me ask you about ayahuasca. Where did this take place? Like was it in Thailand or someplace? I mean, was it here in the U.S.? Like where did you do your ayahuasca? We went to Costa Rica to a resort that's called Rhythmia. And the reason why we chose that was because it was a medical facility.

And for me, that was very important because I had heard horror stories of, you know, what would happen and the purging. And I had friends that also had gone to Peru and had done it in South America and, you know, how difficult it was. And they were on the ground and rolling around and, you know, dislocating hips. And I'm just, and that kind of freaked me all out. So I went, oh, my God, we've got to find someplace where it's attached to the Western world and Western ways. So that whenever you have any kind of trauma, which is from the Western world, there would be someone there. you know, shamans that could help you and could understand what you're going through. And also

having the medical facility made me feel a lot more, you know, calmer. And yeah, and I knew that I could do this for a week. Yeah, more trusting of the process. And that's why I asked, because to me, whenever I hear hear about it, it freaks me out. Because I'm like, what if I have such a bad trip? And, you know, you hear that people are throwing up or they're shitting themselves or it's like, I have a bad trip. You know, we've all heard those stories like you did. I didn't know that they had places like that that had medical facilities in place. I mean, it makes sense, right? But that's actually a great way to do it. And I think some people, for a lot of people, that would be the only way. You know, I didn't even know that that was a possibility. Yeah. No, I think for a lot of people, it's a nice

safe, safe way to go. Yeah. You know, it's not like it's a full hospital, but they had to get, they had to get all the permissions and everything from the government and they had to have things in place. And when you do go in, you get a medical, you know, as you go in. And so you can't lie about things. And they're very particular about medications and, you know, your back history and psychological history. So it's, it's good that way. You know, it's very reassuring that that facility is there for you if you need it. Yeah. Well, Candace, how was your trip? I mean, like, did any of your fears come true? Like, was, did it freak you out when you were under and once you took the ayahuasca? Or was it a totally pleasurable experience?

You know what? Overall, I would say it was pleasurable because of the integration that they had, you know, all the workshops that they had beforehand that would help guide you and just know what to expect and what you could ask for. They just made it so easy and comfortable that going under the medicine, you know, sure you get that a little bit of anxiety right off the. top, like, oh my God, what do they just do? What do I just take? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But there's 90 other people in that Maloka with you all, you know, probably doing it for the first time in a lot of cases. Yeah. And we're all there together and they've got all these multiple shaman and shaman helpers all around that you can just feel their love and their support that you never felt like you were ever alone. Now, one last question before we get into like what you do in your mentorship program and stuff. Did you guys have more than one experience with ayahuasca or did you just do it one time?

Is it kind of like a one and done thing or every time if you do it more than once you get more out of it? No, we had four ceremonies actually. Wow. And like I said, each night was a different brew and it was also a different shun. And which really puts an emphasis on, you know, on evenings. Each evening was a completely different storyline for me. Nothing was repetitive for me out of all four nights. Yeah.

The first three nights start at what? They started like at 7 o'clock at night, I think, or something like that, or even earlier, 630. And you're home, you're back in your room by 1, 2 o'clock in the morning. If you can make it. I just about didn't make it the first night. They needed a golf cart to take me home. Yeah, that was quite an experience. But there's breathwork ahead of that, and then we had four nights of ayahuasca.

And the last one being a very special brew done by another shaman that came in. And that didn't finish until, what, 8 o'clock in the morning, I think, there was something like that. Yes. right till sunrise. Yeah, and just, yeah, each day was a completely different experience. So you flew there one person and you guys came back, two completely different people, I would assume, after all of that ayahuasca and ceremonies.

Oh, my God, yes. Oh, yes, that was definitely an ego disillusion that we went through. And we knew that things had to change when we came back. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Included our play style as well, had to change. Right. No more ground and pound.

I love that for term. That's it. it had to be more intentional because you guys were just more in touch or something like I mean it just shifted everything yes exactly yeah much more of mindfulness yeah like listen I think that that's so interesting and I think it's more the natural law of the universe right I mean people grow and change and evolve over time and I think it's because I think a lot of times I say that because I think a lot of times people don't like when things grow and change, right? Like they just think that people are supposed to be the same way always. And then when someone does kind of change, people can't accept it. But I feel like it's more normal to grow and change.

I mean, always ground and pound, like after grounding and pounding for so many years, don't you want something else? You know, and isn't that just like the way things naturally go, especially when you get older? You know, you've been doing this for 20 years. So you guys have really been through it all. Now, is that why you decided to start this mentorship program? Because you've kind of like been there, done that.

And now you feel like you could help other people or want to as well. Yeah. I mean, with 23 plus years of experience, we've seen so many, so many stories, heard so many stories and have so many stories that, you know, we just felt that it was an excellent time to start to share this information with people. Every single relationship out there is different. You know, every one of them that we've, that we've witnessed, every couple that we've helped, but they all sort of require the same thing. And that's like, what are the fundamentals going into this whole thing? And, you know, if we know some of those rules or protocols or, you know, simple things,

like just getting your priorities straight, like what are your priorities? Is your priority each other? Is it your kids? Is it your job? Like, just, you know, sit down and really look at these things and see where this whole thing fits into your picture. Too many people make the decision by just, you know, their, their groin is hungry and they need to feed it. And, you know, not without really a lot of thinking of the implications. And I tell you, you know, having a lovemaking session is four or five hours long of just, you know,

some amazing intimacy and connection and, you know, is so much more fulfilling than 15 minutes of a hard pound and, you know, turn the football game back on. So now if me and my guy were to come to you and say, hey, we want to sign up for your mentorship program. How do you have that set up? Like what are you offering people? And, you know, how does it work? Well, like I said, every story is different. So, you know, we've never been able to find a consolidated menu of things to go through, like a list of items that need to go through a relationship.

You know, it's having those discussions with people. and it's just having an open, open, honest, honesty with people. We are constantly amazed at how many things people share with us just because we're open and just because we're not judgmental and how much relief it is for them to feel that, you know, I've got this feeling and I really want to say it. You know, and now we're allowing them an opportunity to actually say that and most often not in front of their spouse or partner.

And, you know, you can watch and sort of moderate what that conversation is between the two of them. And if necessary, go off with the guy individually or go off with the female individually. And that could be either of us. You know, that could be me going off with the female and Candace going off with the male. It just, you know, it depends on where that conversation wants to flow and where the needs are that people are looking for. So you're basically you're kind of like therapists. I mean, you're talking on the phone because I'm assuming that this mentorship is available for anybody throughout.

the world, right? I mean, you're on my show. It's not just people that live in your city, right? They could hire you to mentor them. Maybe it's a couple that is trying to get into the lifestyle, but they don't know how to navigate. Or is that, you know, like, what kind of couples typically seek you out? Like, what are they looking for? I know it's all, you know, all different types of couples, but what would you say generally is like the mex or the reasons why they reach out to you? What would you say, Dary? Like mostly like, you. Oh, man. I think they're, Or newly dating? A lot of them are not actually...

Yes, some of them are very new, and they already want an open relationship. They just don't know how to approach it without having the jealousy. And it's just a matter of teaching them how they need to communicate with each other and how they need to have so much respect and admiration and passion for each other. And once you've created such a good strong bond between you and your partner, then it makes it easier to reach out and to move on with other partners because your partner will always be your beloved. These other ones are just fuck buddies or, you know, temporary lovers, whatever you want to call

them. But as long as you know that your partner is your beloved and always will be, it makes it so much easier. And then you can allow that compersion to, to, to, come over you as well because you'll want to please your partner no matter what you'll want to please them so whether it's by watching them engage with somebody else or or by you doing doing the pleasuring and them watching or all everyone involved but we always find that we're whatever situation we are in and we're we're together Gregory and i will always glance over at each other

You know, just make that eye contact in the middle or just reach a handover just to know that I'm there and he's there. And it's interesting how just bringing that back, that connection just makes it so much easier and more loving because it's making your bond even stronger with your partner. I was just going to say it's very sexy to see your partner looking over at you. And, you know, as they're riding somebody who's just a coy smile and a little wink in their eye, it's a fantastic feeling. So you're kind of like open relationship coaching. It's like open, right? You want an open relationship. Your newbie.

You want to be talked through it. You want some help starting off. Like you guys offer that service, correct? It's like, because I'm just trying to figure out like what's that mentorship like. Like I sign up and I get a certain amount of phone calls. Because you said there's no sort of, there's no one course, right? You can't make that up because it's always different. So it's basically conversations with you guys.

Correct. Yes, correct. And again, it's a fluid and open conversation. You know, we don't want to dick and, you know, too much. We don't know what the questions are. We don't know what the, you know, the concerns are between the couples. All we can do is we can just offer our experience and advice in that regard. Right. And now is it a set amount of times that they purchased from you? I'm trying to sell your mentorship program to people. I get a lot, listen, I get a lot of people emailing me like, Kathy, I want to get my wife into this or we're new. Like, what should we do? And I'm like, I don't have a fucking time for that. Like, I'm taping, you know, I have. three episodes a week and I you know my my gig is like my my podcast is a full time 24-7 job so you know it's great that people like you are out there because I do think it's you know people need it I'm just trying to get like the clear concise thing of like what someone signs up for can they get can they just sign up for one phone conversation with you or is it like six conversations do you have packaged deals like how is it work has it offered we we sell it in hourly blocks so we just sell it for a hundred dollars an hour and as many as you need.

I think we've got a discount, you know, for multiple hours. And if there's more involved down for the first one, we're always open to communication and, you know, see what people are comfortable with. We want to make sure that people are, you know, having their needs looked after, you know, and so we don't want to discount anybody. Yeah, I like that. Listen, I think that there is a need for that. And I think it's great, you know, because you guys have been there, done that.

You've been in the lifestyle for a very long time. you've not only are very enlightened like you are now, you also grounded and pounded for a long time. So you know about that if somebody's, if that's where somebody is, right? You could meet these couples wherever they're at, right? You're fully open and fully evolved. So you could kind of meet couples at all different places in their evolution, right?

You can relate and understand and guide them. So like where do they go to sign up? Why don't you give out all your links and everything? Yeah, well, just directly to our website was evolutionary sex.org. Just think orgathom for the dot org. Oh, yeah. And right on the page, right on the opening page, there's a mentorship page there. You can go find out a little bit more about us.

And part of the program, we actually have a calendar that's there. And you can go through the calendar to see what's available for yourself and for ourselves. And we can make a date. And also your book. Yeah, and also the book, yeah. But going back to the mentorship, if we can, we do prefer to do it in video. Body language is so important, you know, just to see how couples respond to each other. So just take that in consideration that we do prefer to do it that way.

And do you do solos? Like if a woman or a guy wants to call up because they want to know how to get their partner maybe into something and just to have that initial conversation, because I know that that's a big need to. If you don't do that, you should also offer that because I think there's a lot of people out there that need help. Yeah, no, we would obviously, you know, I mean, either of us get help in our regard. You know, with couples, we do like to do it as a couple, though, as well. You know, just so that we can express our, you know, sort of the masculine and feminine perspectives on things. You know, that's the preferred method if we could.

Right, but you're open. You guys are open to the needs of people. You're looking to help people. People could also buy your book, fucking to enlightenment. Is that the name of it again? What's the name? Yeah. Yes, that's it.

Bucking your way. Yeah, F-A-F-A-S-R-K-N-G to get around the book publisher issues. But, yeah, so it's available on Amazon or directly from our website if you have an issue trying to find it on Amazon. I know some people have problems with the F-A-S-R-C. Oh, right, right, right. I'll put a link. I'll put a link in the description so people could get to it. I'll put a link to your website as well as to your book.

And your book is basically your story, right? They'll get a lot more hot details in that book if they buy that. Oh, I'll tell you, you know, when we started writing this, the editor kept saying, make it sexier, make it more erotic. And actually, it was quite fun trying to, you know, just bring all those words on paper, you know. Yeah, well, that's good to know, because I didn't get a lot of that hot stories here. So people, you know, if they want to hear more of the specifics, right? Because we had a lot to cover on this episode.

They could get those naughty details in your book. That's correct. Oh, yeah. The very first story is actually it dives pretty hard into things. And I think on Amazon, if you go to it, I think there might even be a preview in the book preview. And I believe that story might even be included in it. But it gives you an idea of the sort of sense of writing that it is. Right. So they...

It's definitely not the entirety of the book, you know, but there are quite a few erotic stories in there. Right, right. So people will know that you get right into it. It's your whole story. The more of the naughtier details are there. And what I'd like to say is there's a lot about women empowerment. There was a lot of things that came up while writing the book about sexual trauma that happened to me when I was 16 and how it made me become this control freak over men overall. all these other men that I had to be with. I had to be on top. I had to be the one in control. I had to be the one that came first. And realizing that all came from sexual trauma that happened to me when I was, you know, a young teenager and having a boss force himself on me. So, you know, that's how I was taking my power back. And that's all in the book and that's all explained, you know, and every story that we tell there, there is a reason for every story and how it,

how it shows how much I have grown and, you know, all the way from body image to fundamentals that you're taught when you're so young as a young girl and how that molds you into being who you are as an adult. But you can change all that. And you have. By understanding, yes, by understanding what had happened to you in your past, you know, will help you to become a better woman and a better person. through your life by understanding what, what, how it all started from the very beginning when you're a child. And how you work through it, which I think is important, because you're here to say, like, that all happened to you and you're still not in the middle of it. I mean, you were able to get back in touch with it, face it and let go of it. And so it would stop ruling your life, where I feel like a lot of people have never been able to do that. And let me tell you, I have an episode I was just editing now whether a guy, you wouldn't believe what happened to him when he was

younger and I hear those stories all the time and I always include them and I think they're very important to put in people's stories because I think it really is a reason of why people act certain ways. People don't want to hear that stuff but it exists and trauma does exist and people act and they act certain ways because of it and unfortunately it's more common than people would like to think and it's important to talk about it and I think it's great as a woman because how many women Like they say one in every four was like something happened and it's probably more than that, you know? I think it's more than that. Yeah.

So how great you have that in your book too. And like I said that you were able to get past it and you have that in there, I think is really helpful to women as well as men because, you know, it's no different. Men were fucking molested and raped too. And they're carrying that trauma. A lot of us are. So I think that that's great that it's in there. I'm glad you brought that up. I will give shoutouts to everything in my intro as well.

It's going to be in the description. And thanks you guys so much for calling it and sharing your story. Send me your book if you can. I'd love to read it. Yeah, send me a copy of your book. Oh, I'd love to. We'll get your address. All right.

Awesome. I'll get it to you guys. Thanks, you guys. And send me, oh, I'm going to put your picks on my Patreon and stuff. Sure, sounds great. Thank you. Okay, bye, bye, bye, bye. Okay, bye, okay, I just want to tell you before you go,

that my book, it's called Strictly Anonymous Confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers, is now available not only in paperback and e-book, but you can pre-order the audiobook. It's still not going to be out until August 25th, but you can pre-order it. The book is basically 17 different stories taken from my show. I kind of picked one story from each category that I talk about on my show. Like, there's a hot wife story. There's a cuck queen story. There's a, Cuck story. There's a gang-being girl story. Like I said, 17 stories, and they're all told in the third person, and they're all true. I took the interview and rewrote it in the third person, and I wouldn't really call it like a total erotica book. Think like Penthouse letters. It's more direct. It's not

so over-the-top like erotica. I don't really like that kind of vibe, right? But these are true stories, 17 of them. They're really short chapters, easy read. You could read, you know, one or two and then skip around. You could read the whole book. It's available in eback format, paperback format. And finally, the audiobook is available coming out August 25th. But you could pre-order it now. And if you buy my book in any format or pre-order it, I will throw in a complimentary link to my Discord. My Discord does not disappoint. Okay. There's no way you get into it. my Discord any other way than getting the link from me. Okay. I give it to people who buy my book. There's tons of people in there. Everybody shares content with each other. And that's what you

get to do there. You could post your own pictures and videos. There's tons of channels. We have lots of contests where you can win a lot of money. It's a super fun place to be. It's a total strictly anonymous community and you will love it. I will be giving anyone who buys my book access to my Discord. It's private. Like I said, all you got to do is email. me a screenshot of your purchase, whether you did the audiobook, the ebook, or the paperback. Send it to me at Strictly Anonymous Podcast at gmail.com. That's Strictly Anonymous Podcasts at gmail.com. And I will send you the link to Discord.

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