Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 625 - Wyoh Lee is Into Threesomes, BDSM, Anal and More

Episode Date: April 24, 2023

Wyoh Lee is into threesomes, BDSM, Anal and more and she calls in to talk all about it. When did she have her first threesome? When did she realize she was a submissive Ito BDSM? And, what other kinks... does she have? Tune in to hear all the details including how and when she lost her virginity and what exactly went down, how she felt about women when she was younger and when she realized she was totally into them, the first threesome she had with her neighbors and what went exactly down with them that first night and beyond, the girl from high school she met up with while traveling and what they wound up doing together,, why she lacks confidence when hooking up with women and what she plans to do about it, how and why she loves being a kinky submissive, how and where she met her long term master and exactly what went down the first time they hooked up, all the the crazy, dirty things they did together during the 4 years they were together, how she went from hating anal to loving it, how and why she is into degradation and the specific ways her master degraded her, the threesome she had with a daddy dom and his baby girl, exactly what went down and how her master felt about it, why they eventually split up, how she feels about relationships and what she sees for her future, her cross country trip she’s planning to take to learn about sex workers and become a sex worker herself plus a whole lot more.  To find her podcast Sex Stories all her other stuff, click here: wyohlee.com/links **To see anonymous pics of my other female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at strictlyanonymouspodcast@gmail.com or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:34 Hey, welcome to the Strictly Anonymous Podcast with Kathy. If you want to follow the strictly anonymous podcast on Instagram or Twitter, follow the show at Strict Anonymous. If you want to be on the show while remaining anonymous, go to my website, strictly anonymouspodcast.com and click on Be on the Show or send me an email. Strictly Anonymous Podcast at gmail.com. You could also DM me on Instagram. or Twitter. I also have an anonymous confessions line. I air those anonymous confessions on my Patreon. I change the voices there as well and edit any numbers and emails out of that stuff. But I air those on my Patreon. If you want to, you know, tell me
Starting point is 00:01:16 your naughty confession while remaining anonymous. Call my Confessions Hotline. It's 34740-3579. That's 347-4-203579. Those are all aired like once a month on my Patreon on my Patreon. You could see like all picks of all my guests, all my female girls sending picks. You could get all the confessions. There's hundreds of them on there as well as get access to my private discord where people are doing all kinds of crazy things over there. It's all X-rated. I don't get involved in it, but it is a community. Hundreds of people are on there sharing picks and stuff. So if you want access to my private discord as well as all that other stuff, join my Patreon. Patreon.com slash strictly anonymous podcast. Now listen today, my guest is WIO. Lee. I have known of her for a long time because she's another podcaster like me. But she has a lot of sex stories. Her show is called sex stories. She gets other people's sex stories on her show, just like I do. But she also has a ton of sex stories herself. Okay, wait
Starting point is 00:02:17 until you hear her fucking stories. This is a bitch who loves sex. More than most of her partners. She talks about that. And we, and she talks about it. She talks about like when she lost her virginity story. And then what? happened after she's had threesome she's had masters she has had doms she's had a lot of uh threesomes with other couples she's done a lot of bdsm but this is not the kind of bdsm we typically talk about which is like not a lot of sex this is bdsm that is only sex okay she loves nothing more than to be fucking degraded tied up she's such a total submissive into doing whatever it takes to make her guy happy and she talks all about it
Starting point is 00:03:00 as well as talks about what she does on her show. And she also talks about like what she is doing in her future. And it's very interesting. She has some fantasies that she's going to be living out. She's going to be doing a different direction. She's going to be doing more porn. She's going to be doing something called lesbian lessons. She talks all about that.
Starting point is 00:03:20 And a whole lot more. So I'm going to get right to it and be right back on with Wio Lee. links oh and links to all of her stuff her uh podcast and all of her other stuff is in the description i'm going to be right back on with wily welcome to the strictly anonymous podcast how are you today i am awesome k and i'm super excited to be here oh my god i'm excited you're here too because i have seen the naked picture of you on the front of your podcast covered for like the past five years i mean you feel like you've been in you kind of been doing what i've been doing for a really long time but You also do a little bit more than me because you do live a very interesting life as well.
Starting point is 00:03:59 I do. The podcast was a gateway. I can't help, but I just, sex is my favorite. Sexy things, sexy stories. Love what you do. I love talking to people about sex and all of it and feeling it. Yeah, I love that. But I mean, when we were talking, because we were talking, you know, your podcast like
Starting point is 00:04:14 me, we were talking a little bit off air. You were telling me, like, you couldn't wait to lose your virginity. And I was, like, thinking, oh, she's just like me. She couldn't wait. She got lost to Virginia, like, really young. because I was that way too. And then you're like, and I lost it at 19. I'm like, well, that's like really late.
Starting point is 00:04:28 Let's like start there because you were kind of late to the game. If you asked me, I was like very slutty when I was younger. But after you lost your virginity, you have done a lot of non-vanella things. But like, why so late in the game? And I think you said you were like rejected or something? I don't know. Why was it so hard in the beginning? So late to the game, not for lack of trying.
Starting point is 00:04:51 However, I did have a bit of delay initially because I grew up in the, you know, the conservative part of California in the middle, group on a farm, literal farm girl, always very horny. It was very horny as a kid, was very curious about sex from the time I was very, very young, like, you know, had a mom that was a nurse, so I knew the sexy parts. But I started giving blow jobs to this guy kind of in secret. He was like, older than me, a popular boy, like, you know, but had the pretty girlfriend. But then she called, she and her friends called me a whore one day. And I was like, no, I'm not, but I could be. So that was like my gateway. But it didn't occur to me younger than that that I could.
Starting point is 00:05:28 Like when I hear you say, oh, I had sex at 14, 50, like, I didn't know that that was an option. It was only when I was like 16 and had a friend who was more sex positive and like encouraging of my desire that I then went to do that. But even then it didn't, I didn't make the connection that blow jobs were oral sex. So I didn't even know I'd been like doing sex. Like I knew it was a penis. I knew and I loved it. I just like loved feeling the dick in my mouth. I loved him like coming in my mouth.
Starting point is 00:05:50 Like, I just love it. Wait, was he still dating that pretty girl that called you a whore and you were, like, blowing him behind her back? Like, was that what was going down? I would encourage him to break up with her so that we could hook up. And I would sneak out of the house and, like, go do it. Yeah. But they would get, they had this, like, tortured, tangled love relationship. And, you know, and to this day, I'm still unpacking my whole thing with love triangles because I love, I love, apparently, I just discovered, like, I guess I kind of have a bit of a secrecy kink, which I didn't really realize.
Starting point is 00:06:18 But, you know, so that's. That was kind of like my erotic origin story just where I realized like I just love touching people. I love being, you know, naked with someone. And I love to be touched. I love to get fucked. Like I'm, I think I'm the horniest person that I know. And I've interviewed at this point hundreds of people. Yeah, well, you get hornyer after you lose your virginity because I know some stats about you right now.
Starting point is 00:06:42 Because I do know that eventually you wind up falling for a woman and this love triangle thing goes down. But let me just, and you just did say that you have a thing for love triangles. We'll get into that. But was there any playing around before you lost your Virginia with females when you were younger? Did you know that you were into them then or did that come later? I always thought girls were pretty and I definitely like kissed my best German friend on a beach, you know, in Germany when I did a study abroad at 16. But like didn't clock it as gay or lesbian or unusual. And I think I just didn't have any queer models in my life.
Starting point is 00:07:16 Like I didn't have strong judgment against it. I definitely grew up in a area, conservative area where people were like, oh, you can't be gay. But like, everyone knew that women of the fair sex, obviously. They're so beautiful. But I actually just thought that was really normal. And I don't know why I couldn't pinpoint why. And yeah, I mean, pre, let's see. No, I definitely was with dudes first other than that makeout.
Starting point is 00:07:38 But then when I was like 23 or 24, I hooked up with my first, like, actual chick in a threesome. I still have not yet, this will happen someday. like a proper long-term girlfriend and one of the things that I will will get to it but one of the things that I want to do I'm going to start making you know I'm turning my vast sexual bucket list into educational erotic content so it's not exactly porn but it's like you know I went to film school I'm a filmmaker I love capturing things and I'm a voyeur so I've done a lot of erotic stuff lately which turns me the fuck on and I'm really good at it but the next step is for me to I want to do basically a series called lesbian lessons so I can get really confident at pleasuring lady
Starting point is 00:08:17 Oh, when you start to put out that series, you are going to come on and we'll do a whole girl talk about that and promote the shit out of it because the guys will love that. It's going to be so high. I'm really excited and I already have a few ladies who have been talking to lately who are like down. And so I'm just getting organized and figuring out, you know, the production stuff and the support and all that. But yeah, so no, it was it was penis owners first. And I was always boy crazy. And it wasn't until I was older that I'm like, oh, I'm people crazy. I love.
Starting point is 00:08:45 Like I'm basically the interesting thing. about me and the thing that I've learned is unique about me after interviewing hundreds of people and just talking to them deeply in various capacities is I'm highly arousable. Basically, if someone is nice and kind and I have a good, interesting reason to have sex with them, you know, if it's safe, if there's an excitement. For me, now it usually has to do with an adventure and I'm either looking for someone who's like more experience than I am and I have something to learn from or someone who's offering me like a very good adventure or a cool location or a fun scenario. Like I'm really looking for, you know, interesting.
Starting point is 00:09:22 Like I want to, I'm on this planet for however long I am. Like I want to make the most of it. I want to find fun play adventure friends. Yeah, well, you're going to get a lot of, you know, requests from my listeners, I'm sure. But I want to get back to your story because you have done a lot of things. You know, before we get to what you're doing now, which is super interesting. And, you know, besides that lesbian lessons, porn stuff that you're doing. You're doing also something else that I'm going to tease.
Starting point is 00:09:43 And we're, you know, that's what we're going to end with, which is your new endeavor that you're doing, which is super interesting and has to do with sex. But, you know, after you lose your virginity, like, you do wind up getting into BDSM and you're like a little Polly and you start dating a couple. And you're just like, yeah, where do you like, let's start like right after you, like, you're very vanilla until you're like 19. And then when do you start to do all these other like alternative things? Well, I suppose it depends on your definition of vanilla because I will say the night I lost
Starting point is 00:10:12 my virginity. It was with a friend who I'd hooked up with and I finally was like, please just help me. And he's like, are you sure? And I'm like, yeah. And we did all the things. I wanted all the things in all the holes. And the next day, I had a big bruise on my leg. I have no idea what from. But like, I tried anal. I did all, you know, because I was just curious. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was like, someone I was safe with. And so, I had a great time. And then from there, it was just like, you know, I was like, it's done. I can do it. And I was kind of this mad rush of. Wanting to try everything. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I wanted to try everything. But I found a lot of vanilla people and I found a lot of boys were very scared of me. And I couldn't understand like why I was scary and I couldn't understand, you know, looking back now, I'm
Starting point is 00:10:51 like, oh, I had such intense like passion and desire. I've had a higher desire than every partner I have ever had. Yeah. That I, you know, like, and so that's, that's kind of a mind fuck as a female what was raised to believe that like if I wanted sex, it should be available to me. So like, not only did I get rejected four times trying to lose my virginity, I, I'm rejected regularly because I don't know pacing. I overwhelm people. They're scared. I'm not sure.
Starting point is 00:11:13 Yeah, they might be intimidated. Yeah. But like what is this love triangle thing that you have? And when did you start? Okay. So I stumbled into a love triangle. First I stumbled into threesome because I had been like working with pickup artists and they explained whatever how to fucking have a threesome and then I ended up doing it
Starting point is 00:11:30 with my neighbors. Hey, tell me that story. Well, we were at a party together and we'd been like hanging out all week and I'd been, you know, a couple months out of a breakup. And so I'd been hanging out with them a lot. We've been playing board games. And they're good friends of mine. And, like, you know, they were getting increasingly friendly.
Starting point is 00:11:47 And I was like, what is happening here? Married couple or single? Boyfriend girlfriend, girlfriend, or married couple? Boyfriend, girlfriend, but like long term, like, long term. Like, they're super in love. And I've had, I had separate friendships with both of them and also together. And, like, they're, you know, very good friends. And so we were out together at dinner one night.
Starting point is 00:12:05 And they were, I was really getting whined and dined. And then we were at this, like, launch party for. a special event and each of them separately was sort of like feeling me out but again I'm slow on the uptake and so the moment that I was like wait so you're saying I could be with you and you at the same time because up to that point my my understanding of three seven really was like it's a way for the guy to shoot on the girl like I had such a normy upbringing yeah and I just didn't know and I was at the very beginning you know they they were the ones who introduced me to the pickup artists that I then ended up working with and so then I was like oh shit
Starting point is 00:12:40 I loved it. I love this. And I, sucking on a nipple, like, and my, my girlfriend was so orgasmic. Like, she's so sensitive. Like, I'm a tough come, and my body changes every day. And I'm, like, a puzzle. So, like, if I have a lover who's basic, it's pretty boring for me.
Starting point is 00:12:54 Although, well, I don't know. I'm so arousable. I just love getting touched. And there's also the degradation kink of, like, oh, I didn't even come. Oh, okay. We'll get there. You're jumping. But wait a second.
Starting point is 00:13:02 You jumped right to the point where you're, like, it was so great. How does, like, you're there? You're hanging out. you're kind of don't even get the fact that they're both like hitting on you like what goes down that first in that first threesome so here's what happened so here's what happened that we had taken an uber over to this party and like and we're i'm not a big drinker i'm not like this is happening sober also by the way um and i was like so excited because i love to be and they were like we want to make you feel good and i was like together like all of us all three of us and they were like yeah so we're driving home in this uber and then they're making out you know i'm sitting in the middle and they're making out across me And then she turns to me and kisses me. And then he turns to me and kisses me. And then the three of us are making out together. And the Uber driver is just like smiling as he drops him off.
Starting point is 00:13:45 Oh, my God. Those Uber drivers, what they must see. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure that would be a very, I want to interview people who are Uber drivers and have all the sex stories. But, you know, so then we went up in place. And I remember taking a shower because I was like, I need to shower. And my girlfriend was with me.
Starting point is 00:14:00 And so we were showering together. And I was like, are we really doing this? And I was like, you want to, right? And she's like, yes. I've been wanting to. And I was like, ah, because I just didn't know. And I was still very intimidated, but it was, like, wonderful to have my guy friend show me how to go down on my girlfriend. And, you know, just have the safety and the security and a sensuality.
Starting point is 00:14:20 And, like, damn, I didn't know. He had a nice dick. And, God, her pussy's so beautiful, but different than mine and her boobies were literally, literally perfect. And so she's the type of lady who I can suck on her nipple and she'll come, you know. And so they were my lovers off and on for years. You know, we maintained a great friendship. and she and I also traveled together sometimes and would hook up. So that's the closest I've had to like solo female companionship.
Starting point is 00:14:43 But they were also the gateway people that like, you know, fast forward several years in 2017, right before I started exploring kink, which we're about to get to this story. With them, I was like, you know, I've always wanted to be tied up. So they took turns tying me up. And, you know, none of us were kinky people at the time. Yeah. But that's where I was like, oh, fuck, I want to get tied up by someone who like really wants to tie me up. like someone who wants to be in charge of me.
Starting point is 00:15:07 Oh, so it was them tying you up that made you realize it, though. That was the first time when you were like, oh, I fucking like this. I was like, yes, I want more of this. But we never scissured, but I have since scissered with some ladies. And it's so fucking hot. It's so hot. I would assume if you're going to be doing a lesbian lesson. I mean, you've got to cover the scissoring, right?
Starting point is 00:15:26 Right? That's got to be its own episode. And I'm like, oh, I just want to be like in a scissor gang bang. Yeah, there you go. Well, we'll have to find out if you've ever been in any kind of gangbang. but we haven't gotten to all your other stories. So you start playing now you're playing with women. And like do you realize I'm assuming that you're into women?
Starting point is 00:15:43 Like you said, that was the first one? I didn't really get it yet. Oh, okay. It took a few years. Okay. Like I was like, yeah,
Starting point is 00:15:48 well, well, because also I don't have a lot of assumptions. What I realized interviewing people is like, I just don't have a lot of assumptions that other people have built in. So like just because I hooked up with my good friend, I'm like, well,
Starting point is 00:15:58 I just, of course I like my friend. Of course I want to make her feel good. Of course she's beautiful. Right. But I'm not, I'm not a lesbian. And I think a lot of it had to do with confidence and bravery and my lack of self-assurance.
Starting point is 00:16:10 Because I just don't know what the fuck is happening most of the time, but I'm very open to exploration and opportunity. And so, you know, so fast forward to 2017. Like I mostly was hooking up with dudes in the interim. And I, oh, but I did actually. Actually, this is a great story. So I was working with the pickup artists and I was like, fuck, fuck producing for other people. this is too much work. If I'm an artist, I got to do what I like. This is not my vibe. This is not for me. And I went to South America and I was in Bogota, Columbia. And the first girl I ever had a crush on in middle school.
Starting point is 00:16:47 Like she was like the most beautiful. So not so not the not the girl that was the girlfriend that called me a whore. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But the other like the brunette hot girl in our grade. Yeah. Like my first. I remember she told me that I was pretty in eighth grade and I just about died inside. And of course back then I didn't. identify it as a crush, but looking back, I was like, oh, I see. And I had actually bumped into her around Los Angeles a few times in my life. And like random poetry events are just like, our paths kept crossing. So now here I am in Bogota, Columbia. And she's there. And we cross paths. Like we, she like posted a picture on Instagram. I had like been just at that cafe. And I was like, what, are you here now? And so she, we actually ended up traveling together for a week and just like making out on the dance floor and like mildly hooking up. You know, we didn't do.
Starting point is 00:17:32 all the lesbian things, but then fast forward years later, I did end up having a freesom with her and the man who became my now ex-master. So like, you know, these threads throughout my life, there's a lot of friendship, there's a lot of opportunism, and I still, I've been with lots of ladies, and I even have initiated some ladies into fucking, but I, I want to get to that next level of just, like, confidence with a femme body. So, um, what do you mean? You sound confident. You mean. You sound confident. You mean. you're looking to be more confident with them being more like the leader in that situation you mean
Starting point is 00:18:09 you feel like you've always been sort of pulled into it yeah so I'm deeply service submissive like but I can follow along with a lady I can find a body but I don't feel like I have enough I have lots of experience with penises I can figure out the different things I don't have as many experiences with vulva owners yeah and so I think really what I'm saying because I just want more pussies in my mouth. Like I want to have more.
Starting point is 00:18:35 Right. You haven't had enough experience you feel like. Yeah. You have more, but you feel very confident when you're with guys, but you still do like to be the sub and the relationship. Because you did get into this whole, the BDSM kink world,
Starting point is 00:18:45 correct? Well, yes. And I'm not going to be submissive, submissive to just anyone. And what I have learned now, you know, because it creates a complicated situation when a lady discovers that she is a kinky submissive, deeply, deeply kinky submissive.
Starting point is 00:18:58 But now I have spent the last five years deeply researching sex. So I have read like all the main sex books. I listen to the sex podcast. I like I'm deeply embedded in exploring kink. My favorite way to learn is directly from people, which is why I love interviewing people one-on-one and like fucking them. And, you know, now I'm getting more into like sex worky stuff and phone sex stuff and online chats and all of that. But I really, really love learning and gathering data and, you know, more than most people. So it's been a minute since I have encountered a dominant partner who even has more knowledge than me, much less is, I get the reflection often that I'm very powerful and that men want to submit to me especially. So, you know, and most ladies I know want to just fucking relax. So I think that also the service submissive part of me is morphing into this sort of like service top, but like from a place of ultimately service. Yeah, but this is the ending of the podcast. I need to go. We're not. yet. We have not gotten to the part where you do wind up having a master. You're his slave. Like,
Starting point is 00:20:04 tell me that whole experience. How did that happen? I am a sex slave. So I went, okay, so the official story that I've told for years is like, I went on FetLife, and it was so overwhelming. And the first person I talked to happened to be this guy. So actually, I met him on a Sugar Daddy website called Seeking Arrangement. And I, yeah. So you were looking for a Sugar Daddy? Like you thought that would be like kind of fun? Well, I didn't actually understand the concept very well. I just had a friend to be like, I bet you could do really well on this website. And I was like, okay.
Starting point is 00:20:34 And she was like, guys like to spoil girls on this website. I was like, oh, I don't really, you know, I grew up on a farm. I don't know. And then once I went on there and started getting these like incredible offers, I was, uh, should, dare I say, horrified because I didn't quite get the concept. And I was still very horphobic at the time and very, not very open to receiving. and also just didn't feel truly, this is so funny, didn't feel sexually confident enough to like say yes to any of the arrangements that were being offered to me, except this one dude was like,
Starting point is 00:21:07 I'm a dom, I'll show you this, da, da, da, and of course, you know, I was, I was too uncomfortable to have the money portion of it, although it really turned me on. Like, that's when I started to discover that I have a money kink, but I was like very, very, like, unconscious, uncomfortable, like not really okay with it. But I met him for coffee. He was a very nice man. We had coffee. He told me all of these filthy things he wanted to do to me.
Starting point is 00:21:28 Like he's really into anal and all these things he wants to control and dominate. And I got so excited. And when he used the word, you know, slave, sex slave, I know that's really not okay for some people. Like I actually get some feedback of like, how dare you say master slave? But I'm like, this is my kink. Like it's a role play. Like this is what we are choosing. So I got really turned on.
Starting point is 00:21:49 We had coffee. We made out. And the next night he booked us a. hotel room at a fancy fucking hotel in Hollywood and showed up and he was so charming and so just like, you know, in the beginning, so generous. And so he had bought me an outfit and laid the room out beautifully. Like he had croissants. Crescants are my favorite. I fucking love croissants. Like, even a Costco croissant. Like I just fucking love croissants. It's like buttery bread. Who doesn't like it? Just yes. Yeah. It's literally, oh, but croissons are the best. And so, you know,
Starting point is 00:22:17 we had, we had dinner downstairs. We chatted. We had a lot in common. Like, we just happened to, you know, He's a sci-fi nerd. We're both writers. We're both creatives. We had a weird synchronicity of, like, people in common in our lives, even though we were not connected in any way, shape, or form. And then we went upstairs, and he tied me to a chair and made me watch porn and put a gag in my mouth and plugged me, like, butt plugged me for the first time. And, like, threw wine on me. Like, all of this just tiggled me with a feather.
Starting point is 00:22:44 And all of this sensory play. But wait a second. Let me ask you this, because I've talked to a lot of people in the BDSM world. And a lot of times there's a lot of talking and communicating. I had a time just to know that like, oh, this is what's on the table and stuff. Like you said he brought up a lot of filthy things he wanted to do to you. Was he telling you, hey, listen, like, you're going to come. I'm going to tie you up, put a butt plug in you.
Starting point is 00:23:04 Or did he like ask you like what your boundaries were or anything? Like, how did you guys come to the like this scenario? So he said, yeah. The day before we'd had a coffee date and he very clearly was like, if we meet up again, this is what I'd like to do to you. And he gave me some examples. and he told me about some of his past submissives. And he, you know, to his credit,
Starting point is 00:23:24 I think he's a wonderful first experience for any submissive. Like, he's trained lots of submissives. He really likes the power play. Our relationship totally fell apart when I started claiming my own power and, you know, exploring with other people, even though he was married and we were open, you know, not, we weren't a real relationship. We were a dynamic.
Starting point is 00:23:40 But he had very clearly outlined what he wanted to do and also had very clearly gone over if there's anything that you need a pause on. You know, if you just need a slowdown, we use the word mercy if you need to stop your safe word is red and he ritualized it so beautifully so at the beginning he would you know he would say his name and he would have me say my name and he would ask if i was in a headspace and a good you know do i consent to serving him and it was yes it was beautiful and it was very sensual too it was such a sensual experience because he like i was standing close to him but we weren't touching you know the whole the whole thing very per like he had a beautiful per in
Starting point is 00:24:13 his voice and so we would get into all the detail of like what we wanted and he would he would check in with me too. And also it was so thrilling. It was so thrilling because he would, you know, he would have the slave report or he would have me, I don't remember the first. I have actually an episode on this. I call it Asport Origin Story where I read my journal entry that I journaled deeply about it because that's one of the other things that's like I'm an erotic writer. My favorite thing after I fuck is to go write the details down. It turns me on so much and then I masturbate them later. Oh my God, that's so funny. So you're, you like what you hear too besides being visual. I love it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:48 But this time, like, I mean, he ties you to the chair. Like, you're obviously very into anal. Like you said, like the first time you did everything, right? So you're a three-in-put girl. You're into all this stuff that he's doing to you this first time. Here was the brilliant part about that first session. I had always been anal curious. I'd never had a good experience with anal in terms of, like, I'd never had a traumatizing one.
Starting point is 00:25:09 Yeah. But it was sort of like, hmm, okay. And I would, and I had the story I had in my head at the time was like, I'm just not one of those girls who likes anal. Like, anal's just not for me. I'll never like have, you know, like an askasm or any, I don't think I even knew the word askasm at the time. But like, I was like, I don't really get anything from it. So he had asked, and he asked again in real time that first night.
Starting point is 00:25:30 And he was like, so now is the time where I will take your asshole. How does that feel? And I was, hesitant on the bed. And he was, and he noticed, I was hesitant out loud. And he was like, well, what's the hesitation? And I was like, I'm just nervous. I'm scared. And he's like, what do you?
Starting point is 00:25:44 Tell me. Talk to me. Like, what are you scared of? He was very good at community. communicating in the beginning. And I said, well, I'm just, you know, I'm, I'm afraid of what if it's messy? He's like, okay, so what if it's messy? And I was like, well, I would be embarrassed. And he looked at me very gently and he said, well, what if you never had to worry about being embarrassed in front of me? And that, that moment changed my whole fucking life. Because how, how was it
Starting point is 00:26:13 that not until that moment did it occur to me that I should feel that safe with any partner? But it took that explicit moment for me to be like, oh, fuck, it was one of the hottest things ever. You know, and so that allowed me to be with the discomfort that comes often on the days where I'm nervous about anal. And then he, you know, he fucking trained my asshole for nine. It was like eight or nine months into it, I think I started having ascasms because I got to just enjoy it. And I loved that he wanted to use all my holes every time. I loved, like, I've never felt so thoroughly used. I always feel a little bit wasted with most lovers because they rush me.
Starting point is 00:26:49 He would inspect my body, like grab me, pull my cracks apart, feel me everywhere. Like he used different toys on me, different, you know, different sensations who'd flog me. He would, I love the writing crop with him. Eventually we got paddles and canes and switches and anal hooks and everything. But like in, you know, that first session, he would try out each toy and just kind of teach me and show me and get my reaction and check in with me. And so having, I'm a high sensation seeker. I love intense touches. I, you know, my clitoris is extremely sensitive, but in these very, very specific ways.
Starting point is 00:27:22 So he took the time to figure out how she worked. He figured out, you know, how to make me come with his cock, how to make me come with his hands, how to make me come from toys, how to make me come with his mouth. And it is an exploration because my body is very different and arousable every time. But that first night, he created this whole beautiful arc for me. You know, he was a writer. It's a beautiful part about fucking a kinky writer who gives a shit and actually it wants to touch you. and because we had established this early communication,
Starting point is 00:27:49 he was checking in with me all along the way. I'd never had sex with a butt plug in before, so that feeling of fullness was so fucking hot. And we even did some ass to mouth stuff. Like after he was in my asshole, he was like, will you suck the cock now? And I was like, yes. And that was probably the first kid.
Starting point is 00:28:08 Like I was like, oh shit, like I'm into degradation. You know, and I went home and like research like, am I going to die? Did I get a bacteria? You know, and everything was clean. You know, like, we, he, he was really good at making sure that everything safe was in place that we needed. You know, and we really hit it off. And I was not experienced back then, and the parameters that I had made around our relationship was like, okay, well, just never try to leave your wife or family for me and don't fall in love with me.
Starting point is 00:28:39 And I have since learned that saying don't fall in love with me is a sure fire way for, Yeah, the best way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah. But I didn't, and I also didn't know back then that making rules about emotions is like, Polly don't do one-on-one. Like you can't make a rule about an emotion. Yeah. That's not how they work. And I didn't, you know, we know what we know at the time that we know it. And so. So what happens? So we felt love, you know, but it was a slow, it was a slow thing. And it was, was it love? What is love? Who knows? But we continue to see each other every week or two for the next year and it was and it just got increasingly hot and we weren't saying anything out loud because
Starting point is 00:29:18 I I have some avoidant tendencies. Did his wife know that he was like doing this on the side? Well yes. Okay. Yes and no. It was a don't ask, don't tell. They didn't have sex anymore. They had, you know, been in marriage counseling together and she had other lovers off
Starting point is 00:29:33 and on but she was not into sex, you know, repression, physical discomfort. And they, you know, they were doing the family thing so they didn't want to rupture their household and that that was kind of their choice. But I was it really a don't ask, don't tell, will I ever really know? You know, I didn't see a video of her sitting next to him on the couch being like, this is my husband. Yeah, yeah. I'm sorry, but I was thinking that. Like, maybe that's just what he's fucking telling you because that's, you know, right, exactly, right. But that's what he was. However, he, we did go out in public a few times and he was like handsy and touchy feeling with me and he was never concerned about that. I was like, what if someone sees us? He's
Starting point is 00:30:06 like, well, then I would just have to have a conversation with them. But like, you know, this is okay. So I think it, I think it was real. But it, I, They just didn't, you know, they were buddies, not like lovers. But you saw him for nine months. What is what the fucking, you meant me to comment, oh, an ass hangers. Like, what was it? An ass hook. Like, what was the thing that you should promise?
Starting point is 00:30:25 Anal hook. Oh, an anal hook. What is an anal hook? So an anal hook is like a round metal ball on the end of a big hook. And he, we actually didn't use this until December 2020. And it was one of the hottest sessions. of my life. Oh my God. What went down? He had me on the floor in my apartment. I was on this, I have this exercise mat, but I, you know, I cover it with blankets and he like attached it via
Starting point is 00:30:54 a chain to my collar and was fucking me so intensely. It's literally one. I can't even put words to it because I like lost my mind. It was one of the most intense orgasms I've ever had. And it just was such intense sensation. Like he filled me up, you know, in my pussy. So wait. So now, You got to paint this picture because I'm confused. So you have this big ball in your ass, right? He puts that in. And then it's attached to a chain. And that chain is like up the back and around a choker or something?
Starting point is 00:31:24 The ball itself. So imagine a big J shaped piece of metal. And at the bottom of the J, like where the hook comes up, there's a ball. It's a steel ball. Kind of like a butt plug but rounder. And then at the top of the J, there's a little loop. And that is hooked to a chain that is hooked to my collar. So the chain goes to the back to a collar.
Starting point is 00:31:41 to a collar or the front. Okay, so, and he's pulling that so you could, or that's just keeping it still? He's tugging it as he's fucking me. Oh, so you feel movement there. So much movement, so much sensation. And the ball was at the, you know, on the larger end of anything I put up my ass. And it was, and it was just so hot. You know, and we were deep into a session. So I'd already been spanked and flogged. And he did such a good job of warming me up and like, you know, ordering me to worship his cock. And I, he's the one that taught me to deep throat. And so I love. to just turn into a slobary, droly mess and just be, and I get a little dumb when I, when I get more turned on, I get the stupider that I get.
Starting point is 00:32:18 That's like a relaxation. Oh my God. Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. It was my therapy. You know, I mean, it doesn't replace regular therapy. I still have that. But, you know, it's a different kind of, I, for me, it was a transcendent sexual experience with him over and over and over again.
Starting point is 00:32:33 We had such good chemistry. Like, we just, our play together was so beautiful and so wonderful. And he was so good at using me. I felt so happily used, so appreciated. He made me feel so beautiful, just the compliments he gave me. And I could see and feel his desire. And I think that's what's been missing from most of my loverships is, I don't know if people are just like, if it's too vulnerable to like appreciate each other deeply or what.
Starting point is 00:32:56 But I just don't feel. You know, not a lot of guys. I think guys are all different. You know, it's like a breed. You know, that's like breed of man that is very into what he's into and that way. I mean, you're going to find guys like that. but a lot of guys just don't roll that way. You know, girls are the same too.
Starting point is 00:33:12 It's like just different breeds of guys, you know. That's a specific kind. And that's the way. I mean, it's obviously, that's like your breed of guy, right? That's what you like. And you guys were very well suited because,
Starting point is 00:33:23 you know, this was a guy who was like into being a master and taking all this time and doing all this stuff. And you loved every fucking thing he brought your way. I need to know how you learned how to deep throw. But first I want to know, like, because you did say, oh, I was like very into degradation. I used to do like this thing like a jiz quiz.
Starting point is 00:33:38 Like, oh, do you like, I don't know. I was always like, do you like to come on a girl's face and that ass to mouth thing? You know, I was like, do you hate women like to do that? But like you were into all that stuff, right? Like you said that you were into being degraded, correct? Like what were the stuff that you were into? Yes. Well, and the first thing I want to say about degradation is it's all contextual, right?
Starting point is 00:33:58 And it didn't feel degrading in the moment. It felt actually really beautiful. And so it's not something that casually, like, you know, if I'm swiping on a dude on Tinder and we're going to meet up. I don't really do like initial hookups anymore because it's boring to me. But if someone, say someone to offer me a great adventure, I couldn't say no to. That's the case where I will maybe say yes, assuming safety's in place and all that. But like, I'm not going to let a fucking randle like come on my face or slap me in the face or, you know.
Starting point is 00:34:30 But within the container of like, I'm going to take care of you and use you and all this stuff and there will be after care. And I'm going to fucking pay so close attention to you. Like that's where I'm just like, damn. Like I want to give them everything. I want to, I'm a service submissive. Nothing makes me happier than pleasing the person I'm with. So if they are into that, and this is where it breaks down. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:00 I've recently tried to hook up with some service tops. And it's a funny, funny, weird dynamic because I'm like, well, I want to please you. And they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll be in charge. I want you to get pleased, though. And I'm like, yeah, so I'll be pleased by pleasing you. And they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, me too. And I'm like, oh, no, that doesn't work. I know that kind of guy.
Starting point is 00:35:20 Yeah, he wants to get you off like five times a night. It's like, I call it the show. You know, he wanted to put it on the show. It's a lot of work. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, and that's an opportunity for me to practice asking. Because what's so beautiful and easy about just going into full slavehood is I don't have to do anything.
Starting point is 00:35:34 I can turn off my brain because I'm busy thinking a lot of time. You know, I process a lot more information, especially visually than most people based on all the reading I do and talking to people and people are like, you think too much. And I'm like, well, I have to consciously think through a lot of things that most people can do without even breathing. So I can't help it. I'm just like processing lots of information. And, you know, it's also what makes the sex so delicious. Right. I'm just, I'm enjoying every little aspect of it too. But what we're like the degrading things like besides the ass to mouth, like did you like to be spit on to chill, like that kind of stuff? Like all that, like all of the above?
Starting point is 00:36:10 Yeah, he spit on my face. He spit on my mouth. He would choke me. He would like put me in a wrestling position and pin me. Like my favorite form of, I guess, degradation, which felt like sweet love love notes to me is like when he was like really fucking my ass heart. I love rough sex. Again, once I'm warmed up, once I'm worked up to it. If there's crust and safety, he, that's when I wanted to be called, uh, you know, ass whore like his slut, his whatever. Like he would call me filthy dirty names. I can't even like come slum dumpster. Like I love being. I love being. his ass whore, his fuck slut, his little submissive, you know, like just, just everything. And, um, yeah, and I would, I would get beatings. You know,
Starting point is 00:36:50 it's interesting because I think as he started to develop feelings for me, our kink fell apart because he didn't want to leave, you know, he would still like, I love receiving marks from him, especially, you know, and like sometimes he would leave him in places that were like, not ideal.
Starting point is 00:37:04 Like he would like suck on my chin sometimes so I'd have a chin hickey. And it's like, why? That's, I do photo shoots. I loved getting marks on my breasts or my ass or my thighs, but a year just before, the day before, what would have been our one year anniversary if we'd counted things like that, which he never, we never really did. I had a hot, hot, kinky threesome with a dominant man and his very submissive baby girl partner. And I got more bruises on my ass from the caning and flogging that he gave me than my former master had ever given me. and he lost his shit and got so jealous, even though that was part of our agreement,
Starting point is 00:37:43 and I had checked in with him multiple times, and he'd been encouraging me and was like really, really, really encouraging everything. And then he wanted to see my journal entry, and I sent it to him, and he lost his mind, and I thought he was going to break up with me. But instead, on our one-year anniversary, he came over and sucked me. And at the climax, he was like, do you love your master? And I was like, yes, yes, I love you. And then he was like, I love you too, and we came together simultaneously.
Starting point is 00:38:05 So it was very dramatic, very, you know, very, very, very, possessive and yeah it was intense because then the next day my grandma died in my lap and then did he disappear because I know that you said that he just like disappeared at some point. Four and a half years yeah so four and a half years and we broke up
Starting point is 00:38:22 each other for four and a half years. We broke up off and on because like after that initial jealousy issue that was like the beginning of the end so like we had literally one perfect year of sex and then we had that I
Starting point is 00:38:38 love you moment. And then there was a really intense thing where the next day my grandmother died in my lap. And then it created this trauma bond. And, you know, I probably should have broken up with him then. But instead, for my birthday, because it's coming up April 30th, he wanted to have a threesome. And so he really pushed me into a threesome when I wasn't in a good place for it. And but I also like was it, you know, was a threesome with a woman or a guy? Yeah, yeah, a woman. Oh, I still have not had the dude threesome of my dreams. I've had like a massage one, like a yoni massage three, some of two dudes, but like I want to get double penetrated so bad. And that's the fantasy that he built with me and he would just tease me with these
Starting point is 00:39:15 fantasies. And it was, you know, it was through that relationship where I'm like, oh, oh, so some people just talk about fantasies with their lovers out loud and never do them. Like I didn't pretend to that for so long. Even interviewing people. I just can get it. Yeah. Yeah. I think that sometimes it is a very big difference and that's what role plays a lot. I think a lot of people feel comfortable role playing something. And if you ever really good enough imagination. You could like really go there, you know, but when they're done and they're all, you know, they come down from that high. They're like, oh, you know, thank God that didn't really happen. I feel like some people just can't go to the real place, which I get. And so that's what,
Starting point is 00:39:50 you know, role play is fun. But I would assume, though, because you just love the physical sensation of being filled up in both places, like by mocking it up for sure, you would be interested in double penetration, because that's basically what you've been doing with him that whole time, all those hot experiences, right? Yeah, yeah, he would plug me both ends or he, you know, if he was in my ass, sometimes we'd use a vibrator on the other side or he, you know, he would definitely put a plug in my ass and fuck me that way. And he would use the fantasy of it too.
Starting point is 00:40:17 He would be like, we're practicing for this. But I also would check in with him and look for clarity. And that's, yeah, you know, it's only in retrospect, but I'm like, oh, okay. And so sometimes people like say yes and they really don't mean it. And it's not a lie, but it's in my mind, it's maybe a lie. Yeah, yeah, exactly right. So those tricky, those tricky, tricky things. But we just had some of the second hottest sex of my whole life.
Starting point is 00:40:40 And, you know, the good and bad thing about breaking up and getting back together is like, it is really, you know, it extends things because it creates that long hotness. It's not what I wish for myself ever again in the future. Like next time, I mean, if I ever get into a relationship again and we break up, that's it. I'm done. I don't need that. You know, like I don't want. Yeah, but that's like fantasy land. I mean, most of the time, I'm sorry, in reality, when you've been with someone for.
Starting point is 00:41:03 a long period of time. It doesn't just end one day and that's it. I mean, that's like actually really weird. Most people go back and stuff. I mean, that's just the way real life goes, you know, and you feel bad about it and everyone feels guilty and your friends tell you you're fucked up and it's wrong. But like, in reality, that's the way it happens, you know, most of the time.
Starting point is 00:41:24 I think it rarely happens where you break up and then, you know, you never see the person ever again, you know? That's just normal. I think it's okay. Yeah. You know, it's just the way that it goes. And sometimes that sex is actually like really highly charged. What about that threesome that you had like with the the other Dom and his kinky submissive? Like were you, was it he had two submissive women and him? Yes. The only part about it that I didn't like is like going into it. They hadn't been clear to me what dynamic they had been fantasizing about.
Starting point is 00:41:53 So I didn't know that I wasn't going to be allowed to kiss her. And she had huge great boobies and she was so sweet and so fun. And it was really hot because like we went to dinner first together. And, um, You know, like I had to wear a butt plug under this short skirt. You know, this was a daddy dom. So not a master. Not another master. And it was very clear that like my master was loaning me out to this daddy dom and his baby girl. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:15 And, you know, so we went out to dinner and we're just like chatting and getting to know each other. And then I went back to their place. And first, you know, he put me in a cage first because I learned I loved cages too. I fucking love cages to pull me in a cage. What's a cage? Like a big cage? I mean, I know what a cock cages is. But for a woman, when you're saying cage, like a.
Starting point is 00:42:33 Like a, like, you know, a dog cage? Like a dog crate. Oh, my God. Like a dog crate. Yeah. Yeah. So they put me in that when they found out that I liked one because I had met them actually at a dungeon mixer. And I was in a cage when I met them, which was the first cage I'd ever been in.
Starting point is 00:42:49 And, you know, so that's how we kind of like got to know each other. And I don't know. There's something. I love it. I love the idea of being someone's cage thing. I love the idea of like a cock or maybe a pussy, like being able to like reach through the bars and do that. So first he put me in it. that I could watch how he used his baby girl.
Starting point is 00:43:05 And then there was like a moment where we took turns being over his knee and he'd spank us. And then this was the first time that I ever received a caning. You know, so my master went and got a cane after I got caned by this guy. You know, some ego stuff that I didn't really know about. But I'm like, whatever, everyone can have the different toys that they're into. Like, don't be into caning just for a competitive. Yeah, but you can't expect a master to let somebody else master you. I mean, it's his nature to be fucking number one.
Starting point is 00:43:32 he's got to be the one. I mean, come on. But then you got to put in the effort to be number one if that's what you want. Like, if that's your priority, then fucking do it. Like, don't get lazy. He was. He sounded like he did a lot of things with you. I mean. He did for a minute. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:46 You know, but then, so then he chained the daddy dom, chained the baby girls who chained cuffed with, he put a spreader bar between her legs and they had this little hallway that went from his, you know, he lived in a studio, but like very beautifully decorated and had this little kind of like hallway area. and they had hooks, you know, the hard points put into the corners of each thing. And so he cuffed her to those. And I was told to kneel and hold his martini. Oh, and we could only crawl.
Starting point is 00:44:14 This was the other thing. Like, my master didn't do shit like this. But, like, he was like, you will only crawl in here. You will do that, you know. And so he was very into, like, the kind of next level of, like, my master had a very integrated personality of, like, going back and forth between, like, his actual, like, kind of like, little smirk persona and his very calm, sweet, velvety voice. This guy was more like of a cold Dom when he was in Daddy Dom mode and was like,
Starting point is 00:44:37 you crawl, you will do this. I kind of thought it was stupid to sit there and hold the martini, like, because I hadn't been warned. Like, I didn't know what services I was going to be offering. And so that's a part where I'm like, that wasn't in the negotiation. Like, we didn't, you know, but I didn't have all the communication skills back then because I was literally one year into BDSM and Kink. And I hadn't even started interviewing people for sex stories yet. Like, that's when the podcast was like a fresh idea. And so, but I was like, exhilarated and that's where I learned that I feel terrified watching another lady get beaten at close quarters, even knowing she's a super big masochist and knowing that I would be next,
Starting point is 00:45:13 I was like terrified. And I remember kneeling there on the hard floor being like, is he giving me pain on my knees right now on purpose? Is this even good enough? Like do I, maybe I don't want to be here at all. I'm never doing this again. This is stupid. Should I leave? No, I don't want to say forward out. I kind of want to see where it's good. But maybe I'll never do this again. And by the end of the night, I remember him walking me up to my car and me being like no no no stealth scratch those notes from earlier we're definitely doing this again we love this forever forever forever so you know it's you go back to them i did one once or twice more um our our thing fell apart because they were really unclear about health and safety stuff and he came in me
Starting point is 00:45:49 one of the other times we got together and that was not part of our agreement and i was not on birth control like we had gotten tested so that we could like yeah play bear and like do these things but I had very specifically been like, just don't come in me. And then he did. And I don't know that he even remembered. So I'm like, all right. Well, thank you. No, thank you.
Starting point is 00:46:05 Like, yeah, I was very fucked up. You know, and I didn't feel like assault. And so that's probably another good example of like, it turned me on also. Like, and it's not okay. It's not okay. But like, it turned me on. I have a breeding kink. And like the same way when I got stealthed two summers ago where the guy pulled off his
Starting point is 00:46:21 condom, like one of my friends, supposed friends who, like I was fucking. And, you know, he, he was fucking. me doggy style and then was like reposition and then he's like how's that and I was like good what what do you mean and he just showed me that he had the condom off and I was like I was like fuck you that's called that's called stealth that's called stealthing and it's now illegal in California oh where someone just doesn't tell you that they're taking the condom off yep yep and then they just fuck you bear um so that's like that's a big no no and I and I and then I had to have a conversation with him and you know we did not continue our lovership after that I don't know you
Starting point is 00:46:57 know, I don't know if he really got it, though, because he continued to try to see me. And I was like, no, you crossed a really big boundary and that's not okay. But also, I didn't stop the session because I got really turned on and I came. Like, I was like, well, if it's already in there, like, I might as well, like, enjoy what, you know, the bridge has been crossed. So, like, I might as well get pleasure, which is, I think a very flexible mindset. You know, I don't, I don't have sexual trauma. And I don't know if it's, I don't know if this is problematic of me, but I just don't, I haven't been traumatized by some stuff that like, you know, that's not okay. But at the same time, it really turned me on and I'm good with it. And I know how to set the boundary going forward.
Starting point is 00:47:35 And I'm pretty resilient, you know, and I'm pretty good at talking to people and being like, hey, here's what I would need. Here's what I need. And, and I just don't see people that don't work for me, you know. So, yeah, but that kinky couple was so fucking hot. I got so many hot bruises. And that's probably the hottest, most inspiring, like threesome configuration. Because what was really cool is the daddy doll was like orchestrating us. He was like, now you go here. Now you do this. And the baby girl would like hold my hands when it was time to get caned.
Starting point is 00:48:04 We weren't allowed to kiss, but we could be like really close. So just like staring into her eyes as I'm receiving pain like that, I think was one of my favorite ways to receive pain. And like we were getting sex though. Like like did you, did he make you do stuff to her or did you guys have sex with him? Because a lot of times,
Starting point is 00:48:19 I mean, it sounds like with your master you had a lot of sex. But a lot of times of BDSM, there's no sex going on. Oh my gosh. I know. It took me a minute to figure that. out from interviewing people and then especially, you know, interviewing like pro domes or people who were like in the lifestyle. And I'm like, I only like spanking. I would never fuck you in
Starting point is 00:48:35 spank you. And I'm like, what? Like, yeah, it sounds like you're the opposite. Yeah, in your world. Yeah, I'm like, no, I'm like, no, I'm like, everyone's having sex. Yeah, please spake me and fuck me at the same time. I actually just had that last week and it's so fucking hot, like it for the first time in a while. But, um, no, no, we know, that's so, so this is why it was so inspiring because this don't, this daddy tom would orchestrate these beautiful configurations. Like, he would be like our asses would both be up in the air and we were right right next to each other and he'd be going back and forth or then he would be like you know she's going to sit on your face and I'm going to fuck you from below and then they were making out and then we would switch or you know we were
Starting point is 00:49:09 both going down on him together and then he would like I don't know like it's it's one of those things where I just didn't know what was happening half the time I actually would be curious to go back and look at my journal but no we did so many beautiful configurations together and I was allowed to pleasure her and you know his cock would be in her mouth and we would just be giving her pleasure or like or whatever. I was eventually allowed to suck her nipples, but I wanted to know how to kiss her, which I didn't like. Like he let us kiss once eventually, but I
Starting point is 00:49:33 like kissing. I want to do kissing, you know? Right, right, right. But that was like what's some weird boundary rule. But maybe because you said like you didn't have the confidence with women, this was the perfect scenario for you with the woman because he kind of directed and told you what to do so you didn't have to worry about that part of it. Exactly. It was so
Starting point is 00:49:49 hot. It was so hot. Were they older than you? Like were they, are they around your age? Like, what was their deal? Like, Pete that picture. They were around my age. He was a couple years older. She was maybe a year or two younger. I think they're married now. I haven't like stayed in touch touch with them. But like they, they were very in love and had a good vibe. You know, they were a little bit like cooler or whatever. People call me cool all the time. They were a type of cool that I don't really, like they, you know, they're into their certain type of music and their jokes that reference things I don't
Starting point is 00:50:19 know about and whatever. Like very hipster. I know those type. They live in Brooklyn where I live where I'm from in New York City. They live in Brooklyn. Here it's silver light. Like they were in the silver lake. So, um, you know, it's, it's very like, yeah, they were cool as fuck though. Like, and they were both so cute. Like it was just, I felt so lucky. Like, of all the people at the dungeon, I was like, ooh, them. And I love that they came over and talked to me. And I will say, I feel very grateful that like, in recent history, every time I've like looked across the room, but I'm like, I hope that person talks to me. They have. Like, so maybe that's my special magnetic power. I don't know. Because you're hot. I mean, like, you know, I mean, you are like, like, oh. Oh.
Starting point is 00:50:54 I mean, you know, people, first of all, you're on the, you're on, you know, on your podcast logo, you know, sex stories, your podcast. And I'll mention that in the beginning, by the way. That's you. Not everyone knows it's me. Oh, okay. Well, that's fucking you. So, I mean, you are like a 10.
Starting point is 00:51:07 So, you know, maybe that has something to do with it. Thank you. Also, fun fact, didn't figure that out until February of last year. So February 2020, I was 32. I didn't. That's when I figured out that I was hot. Oh. Before that, you had no, like, you didn't.
Starting point is 00:51:24 feel confident in yourself? Like, you mean you looked in the mirror and you didn't get it? Or, like, I don't understand. I knew other people were attractive to me, but I didn't realize, like, I was a hot chick. I knew it wasn't ugly. I knew people were attracted to me enough to want to fuck me. But, you know, I also, like, I was, I've been in audition rooms with literal
Starting point is 00:51:42 supermodels. Oh, that's because you're in that world. That will make, that's like a mind. Yeah. But let me ask you this. Finding out, yeah, I get it. But finding out that you're hot, quote, unquote, and you just found out, did that like change anything in your intimate life? Was there any kind of shift in being like or feeling
Starting point is 00:52:03 that way? Did it change? So, so it hasn't benefited my personal life yet, but it has made me understand how much I've devalued myself and maybe enjoyed it because of my degradation kink over the years. And so, you know, it also has helped me understand. I mean, like, I've dated some really hot models. I have like fucked some of the hottest people in the world, but also because I'm attracted to nice people and I have a hard time kind of like seeing and recognizing faces right away. I, you know, I'm an energy first person. And so it also puts into context like when I did date people, a lot of the responses I would get from my friends was like, oh, that's your boyfriend? Like very judgmental of like, you know, implying that I'm not with a hot enough person, which
Starting point is 00:52:45 is a fucking mind fuck. And also like we live in a society that's like love people for themselves. and they don't really mean it because then when you get a person that's, you know, societally not judged to be your equal, people fucking comment on it. And it's rude as fuck, in my opinion. So, you know, that's been really interesting. I haven't dated anyone, you know, seriously in the last year since I figured it out. But I have been. Let me ask you this.
Starting point is 00:53:07 When you have date, when you do date people, I mean, you sound like you're definitely not vanilla. And you've had all these experience. I mean, do you have monogamous relationships? Do you have open relationships? Yeah. Well, so here's the day. I think I'm a little bit, I don't know if I'm like you, but because we've only talked a little bit about your dating life, but like I'm much more likely to have long term loverships than anything. Yeah. I also, you know, I have a work kink. I love my work. I love my creative work. My work is my life. My work has become increasingly sexy. So, like, I have the most fun. Like, I do art projects that are sexy or not sexy. And then I do sexy art projects. And then I talk to people about sex. And then I write about sex and I think about sex and I take pictures of sex or I'm just naked wherever I can be. And so it's like, I, I, in my relationship, I want someone who is turned on by the work that I do, which is why I got along so well. Like, my former master was my muse.
Starting point is 00:53:57 Right. He was a writer, right? Oh, my God. Yeah, and just the way that he desired me and he's so deeply appreciated the work that I would do and I would take these sexy photo shoots and I'd get such good responses and we would write these really sexy email letters back and forth to each other. And I felt like he really got me. Yeah. And, you know, the dating that I've attempted since then, what I've really, like my epiphany of the week, is oh, I don't think I'll ever be in a regular relationship because as I look around, I have,
Starting point is 00:54:25 I love like one handful of friends who are in long-term relationships that I really, I know deeply that they love, that feed their life that they love. It's one handful of people. So then I look at relationships and even the ones that are happy, I'm like, I don't want that for myself. Like that's, I don't monogamous thing. I am a variety person. Like I don't want to be controlled. I mean, I do want to be controlled by someone in the specific boundaries. but like in my life and my work, I need to have freedom. I want to explore. I'm very curious. I guess if I found a lover who, you know, whose desire matched mine and whose curiosity matched mine and was open to threesomes and moresums together, that's probably as monogamous as I could get. The thing about monogamy that appeals to me is the health and
Starting point is 00:55:09 safety aspect. And when I was with my former master, we were essentially monogamous because I was so deeply satisfied most of the time. But I love having the option to have other lovers. You know, I would love to have a main partner who loves all of my explorations, especially once I start doing the porn stuff. Or, you know, if I, if I, like, I just started a sexed panther. I haven't, like, done anything on it yet. But, like, I want to talk to people because I want to hear their, like, sexy things. And I want to, I want someone who then gets off on that and wants to reclaim me. Like, that's my big fantasy is having someone who's obsessed with my work life, maybe wants to fuel it, you know, and at the same time, I understand that could be the basis of a very toxic relationship.
Starting point is 00:55:47 So I'm on high alert, you know, I'm, I understand. I understand. understand that I'm a special kind of jewel and I also get like I think the thing that's been tough about dating sexually especially sex wise is there's that projection element right or people like think I'm this like great opportunity for them to learn or experience or explore and they're like everything feels possible with you and I'm like well kind of but also like are you going to contribute and you know I get tired of getting called fascinating like it doesn't feel connective to me you know And maybe you want someone that's, that you could call fascinating. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:56:21 Like maybe you just don't want to be fascinating somebody else all the time. And, you know, you want someone that's equally is going to be fascinating to you. You know, I think sometimes that's hard. Yeah. I want to learn someone and I want to feel like they see me. Like all of me. Listen, I mean, you have to talk about your age. I mean, you're how old, 30, some 32?
Starting point is 00:56:38 Like, how old are you? I'm about to turn 34. April 30th. I will be 34. Yeah. You still have like, you know, many years of light bulb moments. moments going on and figuring yourself out more, you know, and stuff. Like I, I, well, you said I'm going to get hornier in my 40s.
Starting point is 00:56:54 Oh, yeah. I mean, it's crazy. I was like you. Like, I mean, you remind me a lot of myself because I was always like more horny than my partners, my guys. You know, some guys would be like, oh my God, like enough. Like, you know, and I'd be like, just put it in soft then because I just like need to get fucked all the time.
Starting point is 00:57:09 Like seriously. I've come twice. Me too. Yeah. Oh my God. It's so hot. Yeah. Totally.
Starting point is 00:57:14 Like, just do it. Like I need to get fucked. But it's, it takes. a long time to figure out yourself and especially with relationships. And I like you was, was always like sort of observing the relationships. I see the same thing you do, like these two different kinds of relationships that exist. But I figured out over time is like those, the harder relationships that people have and stay in for long term and learn all their lessons, I had that same thing, but I just had it with like 20 or 30 guys instead of the same person.
Starting point is 00:57:44 You know, I learned all those lessons. You know, and then to me, if I'm going to hang my hat any time. It's going to be with one of those relationships that you see where it's just like best friends that just fucking dig each other. And that exists. It's more rare. But that's the only way I'd ever have a relationship if it was that. But I did all those other things that people do.
Starting point is 00:58:03 Sometimes like I said, with the same person with many different people. And because you have to learn, right? But I think I was, you know, I did it with a variety of people. But talk about what is coming next for you. Because I think it is very interesting. You talked a little bit about this fantasy that you had at some point, but you're going to turn that into reality, correct? Yes. So I'm in a whole new era.
Starting point is 00:58:29 I just launched season four of sex stories. It's got a different texture because I still love interviewing regular people, but like all of my curiosity has led me to really want to be more curious about how sex is operating commercially in our world. Yeah. And I've learned that I just really love sex workers. And my goal is in the next year to start this trip to go around the country so I can be with people in person interviewing or taking pictures of them or offering sensation experiences that are, you know, to the degrees of whatever's legal in each state. And then it's on that trip that I'm going to be collaborating with other erotic content creators to make my own content so that I can cross off my sexy bucket list items. And I'm in the process of exploring different aspects of the hierarchy in different sex worky ways. So I am talking to ladies who are on the Sugar Daddy website.
Starting point is 00:59:20 I've been dabbling on there again. I have been, you know, trying to figure out the only fans thing, but not very seriously yet. Because I'm like, well, I'll do that once I have the like erotic video content to do. And, you know, first and foremost, I've just been working behind the camera and working with people one-on-one to figure out what the greatest questions are. You know, what are people dealing with in their intimate lives? And so I learned from my solo clients or for my couple clients. And I also just love making people happy. I love figuring out what makes them tick.
Starting point is 00:59:51 And yeah, so eventually, you know, I have erotic writing that I'm sharing that I'm going to do because I actually journaled extensively. Don't you want to be a sex worker yourself? Are we allowed to put that into this? Yeah. Okay. Get to fucking that. Yeah. So I am a sex worker already, I think.
Starting point is 01:00:07 I think. Right. But no, no. But don't you. Right. Right. right, but isn't there like a part of that like thing where someone like puts a money down and pay, like, you know, that's like a fantasy of yours kind of that you want to explore? I think that's interesting.
Starting point is 01:00:22 Absolutely. Like that, that to me is the hottest thing. And I also want it to happen in a certain way, you know. And so I think what's going to, I think what feels the most and, you know, I've got to hire the lawyer. I got to make sure I'm doing. I'm a very legal girl. Everything's got to be legal and consensual. I will celebrate your yon with you. But yes, that fucking turns me on as fuck. And it all. also gives me a nice good reason. And I think the thing that's going to make the most sense is, like, yes, they can collaborate with content creators who have established audiences. But if someone, like, wants to start their only fans and hasn't established that yet, I think there's a world in which they could produce a film that we co-star in, because producers get to help choose casting. And that could be a way where if we're in Los Angeles and we do the paperwork,
Starting point is 01:01:02 everything is, like, legal and consensual, and we're crossing off each other's bucket list items. And I've already helped a couple of clients, like creative clients, film their own erotic content because I'm excellent behind the camera but again But this is you're going to be coming out And you're going to be behind there so Right and I've done I've done one OnlyFans porno last fall just as a tester to see if I would like it with
Starting point is 01:01:23 Someone who I interviewed and then we ended up just collaborating together And so that was a good learning experience I know what I would do the same I know what I would do differently and I'm basically Was that a male or female? It was a penis owner he was a dude Okay and now is that on your is that on your only fans like why don't you give a shout to your only fans as well. I mean, your podcast, sex stories.
Starting point is 01:01:42 You know, geez, got this. She does the same thing I do here, just different people, but more stories. You know, you interview people talking about their lives, right? There are sex lives. That's sex stories. You can find you. They'll see that orange thing that I, like I said, I've been seeing for years because you're right there with me.
Starting point is 01:01:58 But you, what is your only fans? Why don't you give that out too? Okay. So, only fans is in progress. The one that has stuff on it is Y-O-3. So W-Y-O-H-R-E. Oh, what a great play on words. Thanks.
Starting point is 01:02:11 And then everywhere else on the internet, I'm at Wioly, and that's where I'm building the, you know, so YO3 right now has all my nudes, all of my, I've been taking nude photos sets since 2016 when I was traveling around South America. And I do have some porn up on there. However, the porno with Dr. Kyle is a DM only thing. So you have to, like, you know, special, if you're a new person, you have to special request it from me because it's high end. I'm making high end stuff because I'm trying to fun this road trip.
Starting point is 01:02:36 And I've noticed that. one of the things that I'm learning in my devaluation degradation kink is like all you have to do to get valued is to be like nope that's going to cost you a hundred and sixty nine dollars if you want to see me get fucked like you know and it's fine and people buy it and it's like I don't and some I've gotten some complaints and it's like well you don't need to there's a lot of other porn that's free so go watch that if you want right but if they want to see your thing they could go to they'll find that link somewhere or they have to actually DM you and you're wildly on all your um social media I will put links to you I will put links to you to you're to everything. You will send me a pick or two picks. You're not anonymous for my Patreon, but people could also find you at all these places. But like, thank you so much for coming on and telling me your, you know, story. But we, this is not the last time you're on because I'm definitely going to have you back on like a girl talk episode because I feel like I have a
Starting point is 01:03:29 lot of girl talk stuff we could do with all this shit that you've done and the shit that I related to. You know, I didn't want to take you off topic. but you will definitely be back on to talk more about all this sex stuff, but you gave me some good stories here. You obviously like it. Like I said, I'm going to put links to everything in the description. So send those to me, YO. Thank you so much for calling in.
Starting point is 01:03:51 This was fascinating. Thank you for having me. And we will talk again. Thanks so much. Thank you. Bye. Bye. Okay, I just want to tell you before you go that my book,
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