Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 646 - The Maverick Men: Cole and Hunter on Threesomes, Becoming Famous Porn Stars, Non-monogamy and More (Happy Pride Month!)

Episode Date: June 9, 2023

HAPPY PRIDE MONTH! The Maverick Men, Cole and Hunter have a double PhD in threesomes and they both called in to talk all about it. How long did they date before they opened up their relationship? When did they start posting their threesomes online? And, how did they become so successful? Tune in to hear all the details including when they decided to go behind the camera and start directing guy o guy videos for their site, how they quickly rose to the top on Xtube and turned their hobby into a big business, how and why they decided to open their relationship, the rules they had at first, the hardest thing about producing all their content, how and where they would find all the guys they would hook up with, their vetting process and why it’s not as quick as it you’d think it is, what they look for and what they avoid when choosing guys to hook up with, their audience and how and why it’s so diverse, the girl and her boyfriend who reached out and how and why they decided to have a hook up with them, how and why being gender fluid is cool to them, their virgin pop videos and what goes down in them, what being a maverick man really means and why they only hook up with men who are out and proud, how many celebrities they’ve hooked up with and why they’d never name names, when and how they both came out to their families and how their families reacted, how Talent testing keeps them safe and how and why it’s the gold standard in the business, how important it is for them to prioritize their time and how they manage to do it all plus a whole lot more including a big major announcement from them!! You can find all their content here: https://maverickmen.com https://maverickmendirects.com Twitter https://twitter.com/themaverickmen To be in one of their videos email them [e-mail] **To see anonymous pics of my guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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It's all good. That's all going down at patreon.com slash strictly anonymous podcast. That's patreon.com slash strictly anonymous podcast. Now all of that information it just gave you is in the description. Now today for Gay Pride Month, I have on. Cole and Hunter from the Maverick Men. Now listen, if you don't know who they are, I don't know what's wrong with you

because they're really fucking pretty famous in the gay porn world. Many, many years ago before anyone was doing any kind of posting their sex life on tape online, they were doing it. And they rose to the top. They were like the fucking number one X-tube guys on there. they talk about how they went from just posting to making this a big business.

Now, if you don't know them, you're going to want to fucking Google them, okay? If you do know them, you're going to love this interview. I spoke with them very early on in my podcasting career. They were probably like my 20th episode. But I decided to have them back on because that was a long time ago and I wanted to catch up with them. They were very ahead of the time. Like I said, they were posting videos and making money on them having sex like everyone's doing now and OnlyFans. They were doing it like 10 years ago or 11

years ago. And they were very successful right from the get-go. And when you see their content, you're going to know why. I mean, they just have this formula. Like they're two hot guys. They happen to be in love. They have a great relationship. They have been together for a really long time. But they also have an open relationship and they fuck hot guys and they're hot too. And then they film it. And it's all there for you to see. They have two different sites maverickmen.com where they post all their videos of them with other guys. And then they just started doing something new a couple of years back. And it's called Maverick Men Direct where they are directing other guys doing stuff. They fucked couples. They fucked women. We talk all about that

and why some people had a problem with it. We talk about how they met, how they decided to open up their relationship, how they started having threesomes, how they started posting it, how they became successful. They did talk about a new development in the relationship, which was something that they haven't spoken about, which was super exciting. But mostly we talk about their rules, the regulations, how they open up their relationship, how open they've been to their families about what they do, their vetting process for guys, you know, because people find them. They fuck their audience, you know, like that's what they're doing on their videos. They talk about how they stay safe, their testing system, who they won't be with.

It's not so easy to just like sleep with them. You know, they talk about how difficult it is and what they're not looking for and what they won't do. They're out and proud. They only have people on who are out and proud. So after listening to them and after seeing their content, if you want to be on,

you can email them. They take submissions. That email address and all their links to all their stuff will be in the description. But you're going to love their story. They're super cool. The name's a Colin Hunter. I'm going to be right back on with Cole and Hunter.

So I'm going to be right back on with Cole and Hunter. Hi, Cole and Hunter. Welcome to the strictly anonymous podcast. I think I have Cole now and Hunter's coming in a little bit, right? Yeah, he just walked in the room. He's here now. Hi, Kathy. Hi.

Long time, no chat. I know. Listen, the Maverick Men were on my show. Okay. So many years ago, like right when I first started and I had a co-host named Tommy, he owned the Ritz Bar. He turned me on to you guys because you guys are like a hot gay couple that was making money off of sex videos before anybody was fucking doing it. You guys were very ahead of the time, okay, because now everybody's doing what you guys are doing.

But you were super successful even back then, like eight or nine years ago. You guys were like my first interview that I ever did without my co-host. I remember being so nervous. I felt like the interview sucked. I don't remember anything that we talked about. So I'm like, I should get you guys back on and get your story. you are a gay couple who have been in love and together for a really long time and I'm going to get like your whole backstory but what you guys do on your videos is you like bring in other guys and you both like double team them right like it's just tons of gay porn threesomes like that's what you guys have been doing this whole eight years that I haven't spoken you're still doing the same thing correct yeah yeah absolutely we at this point at this point I'd say we both have a a double PhD in three way sex so we're really confident in our approach when it comes to that that's for sure yeah it's it's pretty

easy pretty fun we actually even launched a second site because maverickman dot com is so successful that our business partners were like why aren't you doing another site so we thought long and hard about it but on bump and we came up with maverickman directs.com where we're you know just basically as as the titles says we're director everything and we're behind the scenes. Of course, we'll jump in every now and then if something gets, you know, slow or we get super excited. But in general, it's us directing. Two guys. We have the two sites. Yeah. Oh, interesting. How long have you been doing that site? When do we launch? Directs launched about five years after Mavikman. So in total, Mavikman's been

live since 2009. And Dorex, you know, came a little later. or after that in 2014, maybe. Well, even when I spoke with you guys, I think I probably spoke with you maybe in like 2011, you know, that's only two years in. And you guys were very big back then. I remember that, right? I mean, like, you guys became popular super quick.

Yeah, it was nuts. We launched on, it's a point site that's gone now, X tube. And we were the number one most viewed, got the most views, most clicks, and the history of. of X-Tube and they reached out and they were like, well, you guys are giving away your content for free.

Why don't you start selling it? So we started, we did it in the pay-per-view area and we were just blown away and how many people were really interested in buying the porn. So then after that, we got an offer from OLB Media to go into a partnership with them. And that's when we launched Maverickman. Yeah, that's major. I mean, like I said, you're very ahead of the time because now everybody. has an only fan and everyone's producing their own porn.

But you guys did it back then and were successful. I feel like the same way with podcasts because I got in like really early. I'm super glad because I think it's harder now for certain people to become big in that world because it's so saturated. But you guys were there. I think you're probably the first doing what you were doing. I mean, it's like amateur stuff, which to me is always hotter, right? Because you guys are a real couple and you really like to fuck and you're fucking

real guys. Now it's produced and everything, but it is like, it was like amateur porn, right? It's like your real life. Do you want to know what? We have changed a thing because we figured the formula works. Yeah. We film it the same way. The only difference now is we don't buy, you know, a special camera with a special, like a lens because the new iPhones are so amazing that we just use our iPhone for everything. It's so much easier. But we do it. We can't, we kind of like have the same formula and it works for us because it's a natural flow we're both pretty much primarily tops and every now and then we like to get someone to bottom for us and it's just it's been working out great yeah so let's get that story your guy's story i mean because you guys have been

together since you've been doing this porn but how long before that did you guys meet up and how did you wind up opening up your relationship shit honey you want to take that one we've been we've been You know, we'd been together maybe for about three or four years, I think before we started posting on X2, it seems like. You know, like Cole said, we started doing that for fun, just documenting us together and then pretty soon bringing a third in. And I think, I don't know, we've always, I guess we've always been, you know, early on we had the conversation and, you know, fortunately we were able to be honest. with each other. So we both decided that an open relationship was where we wanted to be. And open relationship with rules. And then we started doing that, started sharing that on Xtube, you know, through just a free channel. And then that's what's really kind of brought a lot of the

attention. I think it also kind of encouraged us to just keep going and sharing that openness. but yeah pretty much from the beginning it's our relationship has been open now were you guys in other monogamous relationships or were you both always in uh open relationships before you met each other no we're both yeah we're both yeah we're both previously had monogamous relationships yeah oh okay so you went into but so who was the one that was like hey listen like let's not like let's do it different do you remember yeah that would yep that would be me i i I remember saying to him at some point, you know, we, we really connected and we really hit it off. So we kind of really wanted to just be real with each other. And, you know, I said to him as you're young.

I'm young. You know, is my dick the only big you want to have for the next fucking 50 years? Right, right. And he was, you know, he was like at first, he said, yep. And then, you know, we started to think about it and get real about it. we realized that it was not practical. And we looked at the vast majority of our friends that were in relationships that were supposed to be monogamous. But the truth of the matter is, they're all, they were fucking around each other all the time.

And it was causing so much drama and strife that we decided to just be real about it. And, you know, tackle it as we went along with everything that comes along with, like, jealousy and security and, you know, and hot fun. you really have to communicate. Yeah. That's what we did. We beat everything to death when it's when we have an issue or a drama or something going on. We really talk it out until we both understand where each other is coming from. And then we decide, you know, how we want to proceed.

Yeah, but that's like the key right there, you know, talking it out. Like you said, beating it to death. You're that, you're that couple. That's how you guys are wired. And that's really what makes you successful. I've talked to many open relationship people, not just, you know, gay men, but couples. And typically the ones that are the most successful are the ones that do talk about everything and overtalk. I mean, anytime there is a slight jealousy or something because it will come up, especially in the beginning, right?

You have to feel comfortable enough to talk because then that builds the trust and that's only going to help your relationship moving forward. Now, I know somebody mentioned the rules that you had in the beginning. Like, what were those rules that you guys came up with? The rules at the time were, you know, so funny how things change a little bit. no sleepovers in someone else's house no dates nothing romantic no cards and even at first there was no kissing that's always a first rule that goes out the window though yeah yeah yeah we just have little signals for each other for fooling around with someone if we were you know getting jealous or didn't like what was going on we didn't want to

make the third person feel uncomfortable. So we had these private little signals between each other to let us know that we need to stop or take a break and have a discussion on the side or something. And yeah, it was a work in progress. My background is psychology. I have a master's in psychological studies. So at that time, it came in, you know, really handy and how to tackle and navigate these things. And so far, it's been amazing.

The only negatives that I can think of is coming up with ideas for the videos. That's the hardest part. Yeah, it is hard. The titles of the videos. Yeah. We're at a place now. I don't know what the total is, but I think we're at like 600 scenes on our site at this point that are all exclusive to Maverickmen. You slut!

600! And that's just the scenes that are published. I mean, we definitely still have, you know, recreational sex with others and whatever. So, but yeah, it's, we, like I said, like I said, the double PhD thing in three ways, it's not far off. I think we've earned it by now. Now, where did, let's talk about the process of how you would find your guys. Because at first you were doing it for fun, right? You're bringing a guy in.

You had this thing where you guys were playing together, right? Your open relationship. You start fucking other guys having threesomes. When do you just. to start filming them. And then after that, like, how did you start finding the guys to be on air? So, you know, the, that's 100. The truth is with, you know, as far as finding people, the reality is, is they find us.

And certainly with the launch of that X2 page and the numerous messages that we just kept getting and getting, we realized that, you know, we have this stream of people. that are coming forward that want to be a part of this like art project basically. And we were interviewed once by a publication in Canada. I can't, in Montreal, I can't remember the name of it, but the title of the piece was, you know, by the people for the people. And so that's kind of been a mentality for us in how we pursue what we do is, you know, these guys and some girls are coming forward and want to be a part of what we're doing. And so, you know, we talk it over and we often FaceTime first to see what's going on.

And, you know, they've been fans for some time so they know what we're about. And then, you know, we make a decision to come together. But as far as, you know, us searching out for people, it's generally always the case that they find out. Yeah, we don't have to do it anymore, really. We also have a model submission site on Maverickman.com where you can drop all your pitches and information and stuff like that. but in general, people just hit us up on the apps and on Twitter. We have a really popular Twitter at the Maverickman, and we have a really a good rabbit fan base there,

and they let us know what they want to see and how we do it. And it's really been a constant fan-based site, to be honest. We respond to what people tell us they like, And it just happens to coincide with what we're into. It's been like a perfect storm. Guys are kind of simple, don't you think? I mean, a lot of times I tell my straight guy friends, I'm like, you'd be so much happier if you were gay.

You know what I mean? Because you're on the same fucking level. Like, they're being cock blocked by women all the time, you know? Like, I just think it's a lot easier when a guy is dealing with guys. You're just the same. Yeah, for sure. I'll say one thing that I've learned after doing this for many years. and fooling around and, you know, being a, I don't know, a sexually active man that likes

to play around. The one thing that I've come to realize that everyone gets turned on by is confidence. It's, if you exude an air of confidence, it doesn't matter what you look like. Honestly, I've seen it. I've seen it a million times. Someone that can, you know, put their confidence. fourth, even if they have to fake it till they make it at first, that makes for a really amazing sex life. Yeah, for sure. It's no different than why we all love rock stars or

anybody in positions of power. Like, I remember going to see Rush concert and like, you know, Getty Lee was probably on a scale of one to ten, a two, but I was like wanted to fuck him after the concert because like there he is on stage. You know what I mean? I think it's why we love celebrities, right? It's the sea, it's like that thing that's like some sort of air about somebody that could change the make them look better or make them more appealing or make you want to fuck them for whatever reason it's it's a it's a it's a vibe it doesn't have to be strictly looks for sure no i totally get that i mean looks definitely help but yeah if you there's there's been a lot of people that you know that are unconventionally to me unconventionally attractive

for different uh like what would i used to say oh tony soprano right we would definitely do a video I would tell me. Yeah, I mean, he's absolutely someone that we would not, on average, you know, look at in the street and say, oh, let's have such a bad guy. But just his air of confidence and his, I don't know, his subtle swagger and stuff like that. What's that rapper that I fucking love? I keep forgetting his name. Nas. I love little Nas.

I think he's just so sexy and cute, but I just love his confidence and his swagger. He's really cute. So when it comes to like guys that you guys are going to hook up with, do you have similar tastes so you're always agreeing or is there times where you don't agree? I mean, how is that vetting process go? We do. We both have similar tastes. I'd say we match what, 85% of the time. We're into this, you know, same idea.

Yeah. Yeah, it's about there. I mean, I guess there's a little bit of difference. But for the most part, we have the same taste. So anyone could go onto your website and fill out a form if they want to have sex with you. Like that's the way that people could do it. That's the way your fans find you is through that form. No, it's not a guaranteed route to have sex with us.

I mean, the chemistry has to be there. The attraction has to be there. They have to be there for the right reasons. Like, you know, there's a lot of things that we, the processes takes longer than you would imagine. We want to make sure that we're not taking advantage. of anyone. We want to make sure the person is not on drugs. We want to make sure they're not, you know, in a breakup and want to get revenge. We want to make sure, you know, a million things. We want to make sure that they're ready and into it. Now it's different because it seems like

everyone in their mother is doing like only fans and just for fans. And I don't think it's the taboo it used to be. So it's kind of a brave new world. The amount of people that are now hitting us up now that want to collaborate and stuff like that for their for their own thing. It's just it's mind blowing. So it's different now. It's in a good way. Yeah, yeah, definitely for sure. Now, you mentioned something about women.

You're like a, you know, whether the men or the women, I mean, do you get hit up by women or couples as well? We've had, we've had a pretty good, we have such a weird fan base. When I say weird, I mean it in the best way. Yeah. We have, you know, clearly a ton of gay men. We also have lesbians that love to watch us and straight women and even, you know, straight men, a big swath of bisexual viewers as well. So it's been, it's been pretty wild.

Like we just, we have two videos with this girl that was the boyfriend of a guy that, so her and her boy, the story is her and a boy. friend would watch our videos together. They're both coming into their own as being by. And he, she said to him, I would love to see you getting fucked by another guy. And these guys would be great and they live in the same city as us. And but I want them to fuck me too. And so anyway, they emailed us and she said, hey, I'll let you fuck my hot boyfriend if you fuck me after. And we thought, you know, we thought about it. And we had both, you know, our whole, when we were growing up, we both had sex with men and women.

I mean, that's another thing that we're both kind of, we're in the same headspace together, whereas it doesn't really matter what your plumbing is. I don't know how to describe that. It's more about if there's an attraction there that matches up with a personality. And if, you know, if you click, we've discovered that it's really not about your gender.

That's interesting. It really isn't. Uh-huh. So we thought, you know, since we fooled around plenty of women in our lives growing up and in our teen years and in our 20s and stuff and we fooled around with a couple of women off camera when we were living first dating and stuff like that. Since we got so many buy people hitting us up all the time begging us to do it, we said, what the hell? Yeah. So we did our first buy video and a ton of new traffic. Of course we did get a few diehard guys that are like, ew, don't do that.

You know, but. Oh, because you were with women, you mean. Yeah, but I'm like, of all the people in the world, gay men should not be prejudiced or saying, you know, because we've been so oppressed and harassed for so many years for us sex. Yeah. So I'm like, you know, fuck you. If you don't like it, don't watch it. we are going to do what our heart tells us to do and what our dick tells us to do is that we're not if you're a guy great if you're a girl great it doesn't matter to us

i mean obviously clearly we're gay and we prefer men but there are so many women out there that are just hot and fun and nice and trans uh ftm and just so many different things out there i don't think people should should um you know just opt for one gender i think it should be What's the word? Fluid? Gender fluid. Yeah. You know, eating from the whole salad bar.

Yeah. You know, why limit yourself? And it is, you know, from 10 years ago, certainly it is, it is a brave and broad new world, you know, like Cole was saying, like just the bisexual conversation and the fact that, you know, programming as people are raised now and growing up and conversations are having in high school and such, like, people are more open to understanding that they could be. be bisexual and it's it's infinitely less of a taboo thing to have sex with someone of the same sex and so it's just it's an exciting um you know magepodge of everything now that certainly than it was you know 10 years ago and i think it's the smart thing to do as well i think you know less people are going to be fucking uptight about gay people less people are going to be you know yeah it's and the more you open yourself up to at least thinking about the possibility of

of, you know, exploring the other gender, the better you're going to be in the long run. It's that whole taboo. And, you know, we're kind of like squashing the taboo. As you should, I always say, like a lot of times I get guys on my show. You know, my show is called Strictly Anonymous because I typically, I'm talking to people who are making up phony names and I'm changing their voices and they're telling me their secret lives that they have that they haven't told anybody else, you know, and I can't

tell you how many guys. talking to you. They're cheating. They're sucking dick on the side. And it's always like, but I'm not gay. And I'm like, but what does it matter if you were? Like, why is gay, like, why is there still such a stigma around that? Do you know what I mean? It's like, what's the, what's a fucking problem? But what this is what I want to know why? Because like trans people are so much more accepted. I'm like, who's the PR person for the transgender community? Like, why do the gay men not have that? Why is it? Yeah. When you break it down. Yeah. If you break it down to its face, it's misogyny.

Right. Because what is it that a homophobic, heterosexual man, what is it that he has such a big problem with a gay guy, a guy sucking a dick? He doesn't want to be perceived as a woman. That's what it really ultimately comes down to. Yeah. Yeah. It's pathetic. Yeah.

It's pathetic that I would say, do you think so little of women? Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. You associate a man that acts like, you know, because he has sex with another man. So that kind of makes them sort of like a woman. Yeah. And like so, and women are so bad.

Yeah, you're right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It absolutely does. It's just kind of gross and silly. But like I said, I really, I'm cautiously optimistic. I see it changing now in a great way as far as sexuality.

I mean, I've had these guys that I've met that are you, you know, never. in a million years you have ever think that they're gay. They're just like these big tatted up, you know, ex-cons that are fine. You know, they're talking about, you know, getting head from a guy or sucking dick or getting fucked and it's like mind-blowing. It wasn't just 15, 20 years ago. I never would have imagined that, you know, one of the gumbas from my old neighborhood. Would cop to it, right?

Yeah. Yeah, it's wonderful. I have a son, you know, when he's seven and we go to all the movies and we watch all the kid shows. and there's every kind of gender and sexual identity being portrayed in all of the shows. And I think it's great because it just is the world he's growing up. And you don't even have to even have conversation because it just is. And that's the way it should be. It's no different than them showing heavier people in magazines and all this stuff.

You know, like everyone gets to feel like they are represented and they have other people like them and they are valid. And I think that that's super important. So I think it's great that you guys. to fuck women too. You're always ahead of the time. Like it's on trend. You're not doing it to be on trend. But that's where our world is going to more so anyway. And I just feel like anyone that's holding on to those old sort of paradigms are just going to be left in the dust. So fuck them if they don't like to see you fuck women. Like you're just just doing what you're doing. I know that Cole had told me before we got on the phone that you guys did a whole series called what was it? The popping of the cherry. Like what was that? Oh yeah. Virgin. Yeah, virgin cherry pub. videos. What was that all about? That was one of the lines.

What were these guys like Virgin, you know, on film or Virgin never been with a guy? Like, what was it all about? What, what does the Roger mean? Well, for some reason, we ended up meeting three different, like from the very first videos, three different guys that saw us on X2 that had never had sex with a guy before. and they wanted to have sex with us on camera for the first time. So we were like, you know, you're a virgin, we'll call it the Virgin Cherry Pop videos.

And it just went crazy. It went viral from there. And then we launched the blue collar videos and the jock fucker videos. But the Virgin Cherry Pop videos were the most interesting. I personally don't like to really do the Virgin Shop, virgin Cherry Pop videos anymore because it's just, much work. Well, let me tell you, too, the reality is,

is it, it's harder to find virgins now. I was going to say, no is the virgin anymore, you know? Exactly. I was going to say, like, who were those guys? Like, were they bisexual men, or were they married men that were previously married? No, we don't fuck around.

We don't fuck around with cheaters or married men. I don't, we always say, like, I have a huge family, and I always say, just the idea. of my like my sister's husband you know sucking dick on the side and you know cheating on her without you know so we don't

we don't like that we don't the whole deal thing is not our you're right but just to be clear we have had a number of experiences where the partner has been lent to us oh yeah right that's what I was about to say and that's perfectly fine right that's yeah no

absolutely if you're if you're if you say oh I want my husband wants, you know, me to come over and get fucked by you guys. And I'm like, okay, as long as you're, you know, husband says it's a bitch. Yeah. Yeah. The whole consensual thing. Then we're, we're all about it. But the DL guys that hit us up on the apps with no, you know, with a head cropped out and, you know, wanting to fuck around on behind their wife's back. That's, to be, that's a turnoff. I don't care for that at all. Yeah. And that's a part of that vetting process, like you say, it takes longer because you don't want to get involved in any of that kind of nonsense.

Yeah, who wants that drama? Well, not to mention, I mean, you know, there's a reality of we're producing content to post and share with many people. And it's an individual at DL. Yeah. They're just going to freak out once it gets posted and it's just going to get messy. So, yeah, we just avoid that. Yeah, we get tons of guys saying all the time, you know, can we not show my face?

Can we not show my face? Can I'm like the reality is not, that's not our thing. The whole point is we want you to be a maverick in the meaning of the maverick is that, you know, you're, you work outside the box. Right. You're not the same as the rest of the pack. You want to be different. And we feel like being out there is being honest. Will we do mass videos?

Sure. If your body is like incredible and you're super hot and once in a while, I usually just do them on Halloween. Oh, that's hilarious. Right. You'll save those guys for Halloween because you still want you really want to fuck them, but you're typically no mask. That's funny. Yeah, because to me, your face is really the portal of sexuality. I remember we went to, was it the Brooklyn Sex Museum or the Bronx Sex Museum?

They're the Sex Museum in New York that we went to. Yeah, we went there. Yeah, they had this one cool little art installation, and someone had just filmed close-up face videos of people having orgasms. and you could only see from the bottom of their chin to the top of their head and it was just like a loop of back to back

people having orgasms and that's when I realized I'm like I love looking at a person's face I cannot have sex with someone if I can't see their face I mean a face

the face is it for me no I agree we did we did a we actually did it for Halloween we shot a video with this super hot guy that was in a full on Spider-Man it's called superhero

and I still remember doing like we've had sex with this guy plenty of times it's super hot we have you know his great connection whatever but even all that aside I was having trouble in the scene because I'm looking down at Spider-Man's face and it just

you know what I mean there was just there was no tell there I don't know yeah it just doesn't it doesn't work yeah we got to see the face. The face is absolutely key. So if you're listening to this and you're considering

being in a video, if you don't want to show your face, it's not going to happen. It's not going to happen. And is that why kissing went out the window? I mean, like some of those rules you said you used to have them early on and they're not there anymore. No kissing is not involved anymore, right? I mean, that goes down. Yeah, we've, as

our, what's the word, security, not insecurity. Yeah, because I think initially the idea of kissing someone else is something that could potentially lead to, you know, feelings of love or whatever. And we're not, you know, not that there's anything wrong with polyamorous relationship. That's just not for us. And so I think initially that was, you know, it seemed like it might be a threat.

But I think we both just realized that it's just the connection point to, for many people or to their dicks or to their, you know, the genitals otherwise. And so, you know, kissing kind of needs to be on the table for what we do. Right. Yeah. Kissing, I think, I think, is hot. It doesn't have to be romantic. But I get, that's a lot of time on people's list in the beginning.

And a lot of times that's one of the first rules to go out. Like you guys said once you have more security in that, it tends to be on the table in the beginning. Are you guys married by any chance now? I mean, you've been together forever. You know, we're engaged. I haven't, I haven't really announced it yet. So you're the first one to know. Congratulations.

When did you get engaged? How long ago? He just gave me a ring. You know, it was right. It was right at the beginning of pandemic. We were on a cruise. It was February of 2020, and we were on a cruise. Oh, my God, the death pool you were on.

Yeah, exactly. Honestly, had it been a week later, I don't know that they would have allowed the boat back into force. That's true. It was definitely at that point. And so we did it then, and it was wonderful. And then we've just both had. Well, you're going to skim over it? He was so romantic and secretive about it.

So we were on this big cruise ship. And where were we? Where were you? So we were in the islands. But ultimately, I booked a private boat with the captain. We went to St. John. And I surprised him with the ring there. And then we found this really great restaurant.

And we sat. Yeah, it was, I got to tell the restaurant thing. So we're out in the boat all day. Just the two of us. We have a little picnic on a little private beach. The captain was this hot, really nice guy. And he just, he knew. what was going on and Hunter had bought me a really beautiful Cartier wedding man that he had been

hanging on to and he's been hiding in. I honestly was oblivious to it all. We're swimming and then the captain says, oh, I know this really a posh little restaurant on this island that used to be a pirate island and they're building this little hotel. And I said, yeah, let's go there. So we pull up in the boat and we get seated and they knew who they knew who we were. They're like, we're expecting you and I didn't think anything of it at that time but as I sat down I'm like how can he know so then um we order lunch and um out comes of a bottle of vov ccloe vovclico champagne and we drink it and then I'm drinking my glass and I noticed in the bottom of the glass was a wedding band I took it out and then as I did it he laughed and he knelt down and then the he proposed to me right there and

The entire restaurant, which really shocked me, all stood up and started applauding. Oh, that's amazing. Yeah, I mean, I got a tear in my eye. It was just, and everyone there was pretty much straight as far as we could see. And they walked by the table and they said, congratulations. And it was just so nice. It was so nice. Did you get that film on film?

Yeah, I took a ton of photos and a couple of clips. But, yeah, we haven't really shared it with anyone. This is the first time we're even talking about it. And so listen, if that was in the beginning of COVID, it's been a while. You guys have been engaged for a couple of years. You haven't told anybody. How come?

No, we've told people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. Not like publicly, yeah. Yeah, I haven't tweeted about it. Right. Do they see the ring on your finger? No one's, no one said anything yet about it. So, yeah.

Now, do your family, your family knows you're engaged, but do they know what you do? Yeah, yeah. My whole family pretty much. No, I mean, at this point, they all lose my nephews and nieces, aunts, uncles, brothers and sisters. Even my mother knew about it before she passed away. We lost both of our parents in the past two years. And that's exactly why we're not especially married.

In a period of less than two years, we both lost our mothers, and it just totally brought us to her knees. And it just kind of, as you can imagine, you know, in terms of mojo and wanting to produce content, like, it really just kind of fell this up. And we're finally getting the wheels turning again and coming back to our track with things. And we have some dear friends in Miami that we're talking with, maybe hosting a small ceremony there. I don't know. We're still trying to figure it out. Oh, that makes sense then. Right.

Right. So that's what derailed you. That's why it's been a while. But, yeah, I really kicked both of our asses. We were, he and I are just, we're super lucky to have had amazing mothers. I love hearing that as a mom, like, you know, because I have a son. And so when I hear people talking about their moms, you know, like, I just always love that kind of bond. Because that's what you want to have with your child.

And so when you hear men talking about their moms like that, it like warms my heart because I want my son to feel that same way. You know, it's like amazing that you, you had, you had those bonds. And you guys are lucky that you did have close bonds. I mean, when you guys came out to your parents, like they were, do you guys both have a, an easy go of that? I'm older than Hunter. So I had a little bit of a, I had a really, actually a tough time coming out to my family for probably, it took them like six months to wrap the head around it.

And then, except for my mother, at first she was totally surprised. And then, you know, after like a week, she was, she was like fine with it. And she really wanted a dialogue with me about it. And at the time, it was like really when AIDS was killing everyone. And I lost a big swath of my closest friends and had gone to a million funerals and stuff. And my mother saw all that was going on. So she was terrified for me. And so she took it upon herself to become my friend.

At that point, we had these really amazing conversations about everything. And, you know, we opened a new chapter in our life where, you know, we respected each other not only as mother and son, but as friends as well. It almost brought you closer in a way. Oh, it definitely did. Yeah, that's amazing. I keep forgetting who I'm talking to. It's Cole and Hunter, right? Yeah, but Hunter in the background, when you came out, how was your experience like with your family?

Yeah, you know, I came out a bit later. So, you know, I have, first of all, my family doesn't know what we do. My family's all Mormon for the most part. You're kidding. Yeah. So I was born and raised in Utah, born and raised Mormon, went to seminary for four years, and I applied to one school. Are you sure you want everyone to know all that?

Boston University. And fortunately, I got accepted, and that got me to hell out of Utah. And that's when I end up meeting Cole. And so I actually didn't really come out to my parents until I was close to 30. Wow. But I did that with Cole's support. And, you know, both my parents are totally supportive. And I have a mother, a father, a stepmother, and they all just completely adore him.

I'm an only child. And so it wasn't, it was, it was hard because I put distance, I put thousands of miles between us for about 10 years before, you know, doing it. So it was hard in that sense. But when it finally happened, you know, it's, it's been wonderful ever since. Yeah, when I met both of his parents separately different times and I was like, dude, you have nothing to worry about. Your parents are so fucking cool and they're, you don't realize it, but they both have had very good close gay friends and, you know, all of the stuff was just all new to him. I said, so you're going to be fine. Just start talking to them.

They just don't want to lose you. You're their son. They don't care if you're gay. They think it's cool. And it just. And you were right. Yeah. And it's been an amazing.

adventure every sense. They're just, I mean, we loved his mom. We took care of his mom until she passed. And I'm still, we're both very close with his dad and stepmom. And we see them all the time and we vacated with them and stuff. So, yeah, we, again, we were really lucky. It's just all about communicating and being honest with what's going on. Yeah, totally.

Now, when you brought up like AIDS, you know, like back in the day, I remember when that became like a thing. You know, nowadays they have like pills you could take ahead of time and stuff. Like how do you guys keep yourself protected? Are you using condoms when you fuck all these people? Are you not? No. The meds.

Like, what do you do? We primarily, we have this company that we work with, we've been working with for a thousand years now. We have it down to a science called talent testing. So it's talent testing.com. And when part of the process of meeting someone is, you know, they have to send in their photos so we can look at them, then a short video saying, hi, you know, I want to be in a video with you guys, blah, blah, blah, so we can see we're not

being catfish. And then we give them a link to talent testing.com. We have them register with the testing site. And then we, you know, start talking to them for a while on the phone to make sure, you know, they know what they're getting into and that, you know, we're compatible sexually. and then we get them fully tested. And then we go and get tested with them. And we all show each other our results.

So everyone knows what's going on. And you can have a good time and not worry. I think testing really is the way to go. Yeah. And I'm assuming that talent testing, like that's, they probably use that in the porn things and stuff. Like that's like a thing, right? Is that how you found?

Yeah, it's a big industry thing. Talent testing is the industry standard for both gay and straight porn. So it's, you know, whenever there is an outbreak on set, there will be a complete shutdown. You know, they'll announce, you know, talent testing will send out an announcement saying that, you know, we're putting a pause on all production, you know, until this can be sorted out. This issue, it doesn't, it rarely happens, but it's, I think it's maybe, in maybe 14 years, I think it's happened twice. Yeah. It is, you know, there are tons of affiliate centers all around the nation. and then there are the facilities themselves that are now in both the east and west coast for

testing samples and then getting results. So, you know, we just went in yesterday to get our testing done and we, yeah, yesterday to get our testing done and we have our results today. So that's an amazing, amazing step in the right direction for it. Because I remember we used to have to wait two weeks. Wow. We would have to say so because it took two weeks for a test to come back. And that's not safe because then in those two weeks, someone could have done, like, you're right?

You just don't, you don't know as much, right? Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. So now with the 24 to 48 hour turnaround, it's just been nothing short of great. Yeah, yeah. And do people fly in from all over the world to see you guys? Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, obviously we prefer to shoot with locals, you know, because they're, you know, right around the corner. They didn't have to fly and, you know, it's easier. But yeah, we've had people flying from, Jesus, from Italy and Amsterdam, Ireland, Canada, and yeah, everywhere. What I want to know is if any celebrities, and you don't have to give me names because I keep everything on the deal on my show. I am assuming you've gotten hit up by some big fucking celebrities, right? We actually have, and speaking of the masked ones, once you can't see someone's face, we actually have a pretty major celebrity. Now he's a major celebrity in one of our videos.

And no, I can't say where, who will when, but you have to be, you know, I know you can appreciate this, but you have to be careful in conversations like this because the first rule of fight club is to talk to not talk about life. And so if we keep talking like this about stuff, so the answer is yes. Yeah, I hear you. I don't out anybody. Like, I've gotten some emails from people like, I did this and this with this person. I'll be like, well, I won't mention names because that's like the whole basis of my show, you know, whether it's real people or celebrities. I don't fucking out anybody. I would never do that to somebody.

So I would never even press you for any more details or anything like that. I was just assuming, though, that you guys would get hit up, though, for sure. Yeah, the truth of the matter is we could make Buku Bucks if I said who that was. Exactly, exactly. But I would never compromise my integrity for something like that. That would be so gross. Yeah, no, that's a, yeah, I don't believe in that. Like I said, whether I'm talking to a regular person that's calling up, like I'm, I know I'm not here to get anyone in fucking

trouble or out anybody. It's everyone's own business. That person obviously wants to remain on the DL and especially, you know, if they're celebrity, they have even more of a reason to remain on the DL. And so how uncool would it be for you guys to blab about it? Like nothing worse than that. Absolutely. And you know what? Our fan base would rip us a new one if we did that. I know. It's like the antithesis of being cool. That's why I said like I just want I knew I just wanted a yes or no, but I would never probe you on it because I like you wouldn't fucking out someone. I don't think that that's cool. You know what I mean? I wouldn't respect you guys if you did that either. Yeah. But I'm sure there's more than one, right? Or like, I don't know if that you did one.

Three. There's three. Okay, right, right. Yeah. Yeah, I would think because you guys are pretty famous. You're very fucking hot. I do follow you on Twitter and all the time. Like, I mean, if you want to see hot gay sex with hot men and it's like raunchy shit, you're in really good shape. You pick good fucking guys. Like the guys are hot too, right? I mean, because you do vet people. So I would assume that famous people find you all the time. Everyone's Googling for porn. So I would, I assume that you got hit up for sure. Do you have guys that you see like off air that are just like local like guys,

you side guys for you guys that you have that don't want to be on, but you like them? Yes. We absolutely. We have a couple. We have some total smoke shows that we have to make exceptions for you. Yeah, that can't. Yeah, that can't be on video. But, you know, when you have someone like,

we have a actually you know we did shoot with him but we have a local guy that's just you know pretty fucking stunning yeah i mean pretty stunning and he just wants to come over and jump through hoops of us whenever we want 24-7 so it's pretty funny it's pretty it's kind of cool that we can do that and now what is local for you but why don't you put that out there so in case anyone listening wants to you know drive on down or you know sign up to maybe fuck you guys like where What is local? We live, we travel between Salt Lake City, Boston, and Miami. Oh, okay, great.

We're at our Utah place right now. Yeah, we're in Utah now because the spring and summer here is just unbelievable. And we have a cabin. So we try to hang out here most of the summer. And we're in Miami a lot in the winter. In holidays, we go to Boston. Oh, okay. So depending on where people will hit you up or where they are,

you schedule them into whatever. city you're going to be at that time. Exactly. Now, are you seeing people like around the clock? Is it like, you know, because you have a lot of content. That's so funny. Right, right, right. People think we have, we're like an old lesbian couple.

We're in bed by like 11 o'clock at night. We don't go out and party, really. Right. Well, you're businessmen. I mean, listen, you can't be that successful if you were just like, party central, right? Like, yeah, you guys are having sex. But there's a lot that goes into you creating that

content posting it like you said the titles everything it's like a fucking business and it's hard work like you guys are businessmen too it is a lot of hard work yeah definitely is a lot of people don't know it it gets it gets daunting after a while and you know people think oh we're fucking back to back we just it's not possible to fuck back to back right and also to edit all the content and produce it do all the testing and you know chit chat with everyone and then in addition to that have an actual life where you know he's a he's a he's a nutrition and coach and, you know, I, I collect vintage mid-century modern furniture and flip in. And I, yeah, so we do kind of our fun stuff on the side too.

And we like to go to the cabin and do outdoor stuff. And so it's it's a balancing act. So no, we're not having 24-7 orgies, unfortunately. Right. And you couldn't be like I said, you wouldn't be as successful, but you keep that balance of having that personal life too, which is important. Do you guys ever want kids, do you think? I don't know.

At the top of my head, I immediately say yes because I fucking love kids. Yeah. I have a ton of nephews and nieces and stuff. And we both love kids. But for me, just so many, like, wacko religious fundamentalist psychos that, you know, if we did have kids, they might think that, you know, we put them in porn or some fucked up shit or exposing them to that. I don't know whether they would, you know, could. wrap their heads around the reality that, you know, there is a separation between the two.

You can be a loving, seeing an adult and take care of kids and also be an adult performer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You could like sex and be a good for dad. Yeah, just so just the idea of someone coming in and potentially taking a child for me that I raised that was in love with and stuff. I don't know. I would love to do it, but I don't know if it's a reality here in the United States. I think, you know, we both have big families with lots of kids, and I think that is fulfilling enough, like, you know, to be a part of those little ones' lives and stuff. And so, you know, much like we were saying about, or you were saying about balance and the importance of it, you know, we host dinners with family and stuff. So we're involved in a lot of young people's lives that are family members. And I think between that and we have a dog that we're completely whipped over.

So, you know, I think we have, we have, I think we're meeting that need. Yeah. Because to answer your question, yeah, we both want kids. We do. It's just complicated. But I think that because of our family situation and the makeup and we have so many that we are fulfilled in that sense. Yeah, I totally get it. But I would say this.

Like, first of all, you're guys, right? I mean, you're not like a woman. We're born with our eggs and they're as old as we are. So there is like a time limit for women. Nowadays, everyone's like freezing their eggs, which is smart. But for you guys, I mean, you know, if that changed five years from now and the world was different, you felt like you could do it. You could.

You know, your sperm is like good to go at any age. And I'll tell you this. I had a baby at 46 in the most unconventional way. I use a surrogate. I'm a single mom. I live in New York City. And I like you loved fucking kids. I was always babysitting every kid because I just like to hang around them.

And like having my child was like the smartest, greatest thing ever. And I did it really old. like fucking keeps me young. And so if you ever change your mind to do it, you would never fucking ever look back and regret it. Like I said, I did it very unconventionally and I never think of those things like that I thought of beforehand in my head because the actual reality of the child and the love and what you get from it, just, you know, everything disappears that you think of. Yeah, I agree. And I think it's wiser. I don't know if it's biologically wiser, but I know it's wiser to have someone that's got a few years under the belt to raise a kid.

Totally. Who knows, you know, common sense, shit and how to teach your kid to be a good human being. You know, that's stuff you learn later on in life with experience. And I feel like the older you are. The better. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah.

You're right. And I mean, you yourself, by waiting, you've lived, you have a much better understanding who you are in this world. Yeah. And that, you know, that's something that's funny about Mormon culture is, you know, it's very much encouraged to have babies and a lot of them really early on in life. And I know I've met a number of women that have done that that have nine kids and they're maybe in their early 30s and they're really not happy with life, you know, because they haven't had an opportunity to live it for themselves yet. So they understand themselves in the world. and they're just bringing up kid after kid after kid. And it's...

Yeah, I think you, maybe you did it the right way. No, 100%. Like, I always feel like... And for a long time before I had the child, I tried a really long time because I was older. And my motto was always like when I walked past a bar, like I'd rather be changing diapers. Like, by the time I had my kid,

the minute he went to sleep, I'm stuck in my house. But I don't care because been there fucking done that. Until I was 46. I was single, freewheeling, doing whatever the fuck I wanted to. do and so I never once not even one day can I count on my hand did I ever feel like I was missing out on anything because I did everything and now the thing I love the most is to be a mom and I love my kid and that's like and it gives you a whole brand new fucking life it makes you younger it's just like only because you guys said you do want it like am I pushing it but I'm like I just can't tell you enough how great it would be if you did ever make that decision I tell you one thing that I look back at that I thank God my parents did to me me when I was a young kid like seven or eight. My dad, who was an alcoholic, used to take me to AA meetings, like once a week. He would take me to meetings. And he basically brainwashed me against drugs and alcohol. And I didn't touch my first drop of alcohol until I was 21. I didn't

smoke weed till I was 23. I've never done any hardcore drugs. So the one bit of parenting advice I know works for sure is when they're young. Yeah. Warn them about drugs. Yeah. And alcohol. Yeah. For sure.

Yeah. I'm a sober person. I've been sober since I'm 34. And my son knows, you know, he knows that I don't drink. He knows that other people can, but, you know, but like I talked to him about that kind of stuff. And I think, like you said, that's the wisdom that you bring to the table when you're older and sure. Yeah. Yeah.

So listen, you guys. You guys are fucking great. People are going to love your stuff. Like I said, I mean, you guys are hot. You get hot guys. you know what guys like because you are guys that like fucking sex you know it's that kind of a thing that I think people are going to love your content why don't you give a shout out to all the places that people could find you and like the place where people if they want to sign up to see you know be on

film because I have a big audience now so just like give all those shoutouts yeah well the links in the description too awesome well the main site is maverickmen dot com it's m a v e r i c men dot com and that's where you can do your model submission information or you can actually write us directly we respond to everyone it's um Cole and Hunter at maverickman.com yeah that's the email address and then we have on the website specifically on maverickman there's a link right at the center of the page says come play with us they just click on that and then they follow the prompts to send us their information and pictures then if you're not really into us, but you do want to do videos and you do like some of the other guys that we shoot with.

You can also submit your information to maverickman directs.com. And you also on Maverickman, you can leave comments. We love to hear what people have to say. I approve all the comments because I don't like to foster drama on the site. So you can leave a comment under any video. We have tons of free videos on Maverickman as well, full length as well. So that's where people can see your stuff, correct? Right there too.

So there's maverickmen.com and maverickmen directs.com. Okay, cool. I'm going to put both those links. Great. And then you know our Twitter at the Maverickman. Yeah, so I'll put your Twitter. I'll put your two websites and your email. That's where they could go to if they want to sign up.

All right. Awesome. You guys are great. Thank you so much for coming back on and telling your story again to me. So nice, so nice catching up with you again, Kathy. Yeah. Congratulations on your success. You deserve me.

Amazing son. He is going to grow up to love his mommy so much. He's the best. Yeah, it's just like you guys. I love when you guys were talking. Do me a favor. You guys, can you send me a couple picks for my Patreon?

I have a Patreon where I post picks for my people over there. So send me a couple picks of yourself to include. Yeah, I'll text them to you after we hang up. All right. Awesome. You guys are the best. Good luck with everything. Congratulations on your engagement.

Thank you very much. And good luck. If you ever have a baby, let me know. Bye. We will. All right. Bye, you guys. Bye.

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