Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 666 - Mike Cheated on his Wife with his BF’s Wife and Then They all Started Swapping Together

Episode Date: July 26, 2023

Mike cheated on his wife with his best friends wife and then they all started swapping with each other. How and why did he wind up cheating with his best friends wife? What exactly did they do together? And, how did they all wind up swapping together? Tune in to hear all the details including exactly how many times he hooked up with his friend’s wife and exactly what went down, how they then all started hooking up and exactly what went down the first time, how it progressed and led to a lot of girl on girl action and what exactly went down between the women, their soft swap foursomes and what exactly would go down, how his wife hooked up solo one time and how and why he was so turned on when she came home, the threesome he had with friend and his wife and how and why he didn’t tell his wife about it, the next couple they hooked up with and what went down during their first hook up, what went down during their second hook up and how far they would all go, how long they all hooked up an dhow and why it eventually faded out, how and why they haven’t done any swapping since and what he can do about it plus a whole lot more. **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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So there you go. Today I have on Mike. Now, Mike sent me a story. He was just like, oh, I like slept with my best friend's wife. And then I had some foursums and threesomes. couple this and couple that. And I was like, okay, let's get you on and hear all of this stuff. So he does start off with the story about how he wound up, hooking up, with his best friend's girl. Now, he winds up later, or they wind up later, because he was married at the time. He had never cheated

on his wife. Like, he had never fucked that other wife. Like, that's not the way he rolls, but, like, one thing led to another and he talks about exactly how that happened. Then the second time, he actually went all the way with her. No one ever found out about that. But what happened afterwards is they also started hooking up anyway. Okay? Like they went over as a couple to the other couple's house. Blow jobs happened the first time. And then girl on girl action happened the second time.

And there's lots of hot tub sex. And, you know, it was only like hard swap on one side and soft swap everywhere else, a lot of oral, a lot of stuff going down with that couple. And then they also, Mike and his wife also wound up hooking up with another couple. And they talk about all of that. Same kind of stuff, like lots of oral, girl-on-girl action, hot tub sex. I think this is where they full-swabbed. You'll have to hear, listen for the full details.

But it's like hot stories. You know, and he did this many years ago, what we do end on is talking about, you know, how they haven't done anything like that for many years because his wife is just likes for things like that to just happen as opposed to be set up. So since they don't really have any friends that they hook up with anymore, they haven't done anything in a while. And we do talk about an old episode that I had where the guy, it was like setting up threesomes with his wife, but she didn't realize that they were like set up because she was like this guy's wife where she just wants it to kind of happen. But, you know, that was like fucked up.

This guy doesn't want that to happen. We do talk at the end of like, you know, how he could get his wife to maybe be open again to doing all. all the things that they used to do because they haven't done it for a while. She's going through menopause. We talk a little bit about those issues and problems that come up and things he could do about it. So it's a really great story because there's lots of hot stories. And then at the end, it's interesting to hear how that kind of story with a couple who

was open and do that progresses. I mean, listen, it's not like he's ever cheated on her since that time that he hooked up with that friend's wife. He's very happy. They're happy together. They still have a great sex life. Everything's good to go. But I think he'd, you know, definitely be down to doing stuff again.

And maybe they will be. Who knows? Because he does listen to my podcast with his wife. So I gave him some recommendations of things that he could do to get her back into it, as opposed to the other guy who was like fucking setting it up and lying to his wife. Okay. Anyway, his story is super interesting. So I'm going to be right back on with Mike.

Hi, Mike. Welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast. How are you today? I'm great. you kentzy good mike you wrote in with like kind of a crazy story and i don't know if it's too like separate stories if one leads to the other but one part of your story is that you did have an affair with your very best friend's wife which is fucked up okay because i feel like there's a brocode that you broke there but it goes way beyond that because this is a friend that we grew up together

and like all through high school we would help each other out we would change dates because he would be somewhere and he'd be dating two girls at once and one would show up. So I would take the one out of his hands and vice versa. He would do it for me. So we kind of, you know, we're messing around with each other's girls like way back when. Okay. And then the other second part of your story that we're going to get into is later like you wind up having foursums and threesomes and hooking up with other couples and shit like that. So we'll get into that.

but let's start off with how you wind up having a, you know, an affair with your rest of his wife. Because it's one thing where you and your guy are talking each other and you're like, hey, buddy, you could have her or whatever. But that's a totally different thing when you, the word affair is used because it sounds like he didn't know what the fuck was going on. Well, at first he didn't. So, oh, okay. It, it, what it started off was he was out of town. and she called me over to do something at the house. And I can't remember what it was, you know,

something minor. And it was an evening and I show up, I do the thing. And we had been, you know, I had a few drinks even before I went over there. And so we're doing this. We're drinking. We're talking. And the next thing I know, she's grabbing at my dick. But wait a second.

Let's stop right there. Are you married at this point, too? Yes, I am. Okay, now is your wife and his wife great friends? They're friends, their acquaintances. We do everything together with them. We have kids the same age. The kids were young, you know, five-ish, you know, three and five.

You know, we each had two kids each. So we used to do stuff with the kids like. we're at his house like every weekend. Okay, so your wife and her are kind of friend. Did you ever get any kind of vibe that she was like side eyeing you at all before she like grabbed your dick that day? She was always very flirtatious. Okay. But she's flirtatious with a lot of guys.

It wasn't, you know, I wasn't, you know, nothing that, you know, my wife does the same thing. I mean, we're, you know, we're just, everyone's pretty casual and we're all laid back, very laid back people. so yeah so but that's how it started off and I was like and I stopped her I'm like oh I can't do this as my you know this is my friend blah blah blah blah and she said he'd be okay with it and and that was all she said now you know next thing I know she's blowing me to the end okay so it was kind of messed up So that was, that, I kind of ended it there. Uh-huh. And it was probably a month or so later.

And the same type of situation was I, my kids were over there. And I got off of work late. And my wife was actually out of town. And I went, I got off of work late. I went to go pick up the kids. And the kids were, they're all crashed. out because it was probably like 10, 11 o'clock at night. So we just, we sat down, we had a couple drinks.

Where's her husband? Where's your best friend? He's out of town. Okay. He was out of town. He was out of town for work. So we have a few drinks. And then she said, hey, you want to go sit in the hot tub?

We sat in the hot tub. And one thing led to another. and she starts, we start making out in the hot tub, and we ended up going to the bed, and that was the first time that I actually fucked her. Okay, and the kids are sleeping someplace? That's what's going on. Kids were sleeping.

They're very young. Now is your friend's wife hot? Yeah, yeah, she's very good looking. Okay. Very good looking. Yeah, so, I mean, and I don't know why I went with it. You know, I mean, my wife's, wife has always treated me good, especially sexually. We pretty much done everything, you know,

at that point, you know, and I wasn't looking for anything at all either. And you had always been faithful to your wife prior to this. Right. Is that a definite, yes? No, I've always, yeah, I was always faithful to my wife up into this point. Right. Interesting. Okay. I mean, the one person you wind up cheating on her with is your best friends. Because so now you're not just like, you know, because there's two things that you're doing here to two different people. It's not just, you know, you're cheating on your wife. You're also fucking your best friend's wife. So, you know, it's pretty bad.

Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty bad. It's really bad. Yeah. So. So, yeah. So, I mean, and that was pretty much the end of it.

And when we all got together, when we were sitting, you know, sometimes the conversations will go sexual or someone would say something. You know, so after that point, you know, when those talks happened, I just kind of kept my mouth shut and didn't say too much, you know, because I knew what I had already done. So you mean sexual with all the couples together? Is that what you're saying now? Yeah, just messing around bullshit and, you know,

sitting having drinks, you know, there'd be some flirtatious comments or something like that. But in front of this, and this is happening like in front of the guy, right? This is where like these threysms and stuff are going to come down. Yeah. This is when all four of us are together, yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, we're, Kate, you know, she's, you know, like the wives would say,

oh, you got to try this or you got to try that, you know, with him and stuff like that. So I mean, it was open conversations. You know, and after we messed around, now I was uncomfortable with those talks at first, you know. because I knew what she knew. And I already knew at this point that he has some ED problems, so he couldn't always perform. She told you that or how to, or he told you? Oh, I knew that for years. Yeah, I knew that for years.

Okay. Guys talk about that kind of stuff with each other? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, no, because it would happen, you know, even way back when we were in college, one of his, you know, girlfriend says, he can't get it up or whatever, you know, and stuff like that. Oh, right, because you were always entangled with each other women back then. Yeah.

I knew he had some issues, you know, with that part. So I don't know if she was looking for something else. I should say also this started after they came back from a trip. They went to hedonism. Oh, okay. So they're like open. Yeah, so they're kind of like open. So Emmy and my wife had talked about going.

We just never did. And now, let me just ask you this real quick because I use the word of fair. And it doesn't sound like an affair. An affair is like you're emotionally like falling in love with each other. This was like you hooked up with her twice. It was like a sexual thing, just sex. Yeah, it's more of that way. Yeah, okay.

So. And so then one night we're all together, all four of us, and we're playing cards. And, you know, just having drinks, playing cards. And they just started the girl. started making bets. Well, Amber did. This is my friend's wife, Amber. She started making bets. And she told my, it wasn't, it was some dares, you know, like the person that won got to dare the other people. So at one point, she told me, she goes, I'm going to do something to you. And she looked at my wife and she says, don't get mad at me. and she unzipped my pants and she started sucking my cock right there in front of my wife and my friend

oh my goodness what did your wife do were you guys like a little lit you know like on alcohol or drugs or something yeah we were definitely we're all pretty feeling good okay um now like the four of us used to sit in a hot tub naked together you know something wasn't like you know there's no body shaming or you know all four of us were in really good shape you know it's not about body shaming. I mean, it's about her putting your dick in her mouth right in front of your wife. That's a different thing. Yeah, I know. And it was pretty crazy, you know. So then my, she dared my wife to do it on the next time and to her husband. But what does your wife do when she does that? Well, at first she was kind of, no, she didn't do nothing. And she was like,

she didn't want to really do anything at first. And Amber told, said, wait a minute. And she went and got some chocolate syrup out and put it on her husband's cock and then had my wife suck that off. But I mean, your wife didn't get freaked out, obviously, that she... No, she did not at all. So it winds up. She, like, rolls with it.

I wonder later if you have a conversation, but I'm not going to go there yet. Okay. Now she, so then she starts blowing your friend, your wife? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And I was fine with it. And it just kind of like back and forth.

It was just the girls doing the guys at this point. Right. Now were you turned on by it? Oh, yeah, definitely. Right. You know, it was a good time. It was a good time. We had a lot of fun with that.

So that, you know, and then we all, four of us ended up in the hot tub after that. And then I think when we got out of the. the hot tub, all four of us laid down their bed, and the girls gave us blow jobs. But they kept switching back and forth between us. And it kept leading from there. You know, we would, you know, it wouldn't happen every weekend. But like we were, we definitely went together every week and all four of us. And, you know, so it progressed from there.

It got to the point where the girls were eating each other out. Then remember, we were on a camping trip, and we had been daring them for, you know, for a little while. And they kept saying, no, well, we're on this camping trip. And finally, the girls agreed to it. Agreed to what? Hoking up with each other? Yes, eating each other out. Okay, let me ask you a quick question before you go to the progression.

Like that night that you guys get home after you guys kind of swapped and they both blew each other's guys. Do you and your wife talk about anything? Oh, yeah. Okay. What does your wife say? How does that conversation go? Oh, she was all turned on. And we had great sex that night at home when we got home.

Right. So she's down. You knew that you kind of had the idea that they were down because they're like going to hedonism and shit. Right. Exactly. And my wife was all. She was all turned on. So, you know, I know that.

And she, she's told me she said she likes to shock everybody. Your wife? Yeah, and she likes to perform. Yes, yes. All right, cool. So there was no issues after that. It was all systems go. The next time you guys hook up, was it during that camping trip that you guys got them to go down on each other?

Now, had your wife ever talked about wanting to be with women? she was attracted to one in particular that I knew about that she's you know said because like I would this is kind of messed up but like we would be somewhere yeah and we would point out hot chicks together yeah but me my life would be somewhere and up and but when I would see one I would always say would you eat that you know and that's how I kind of pointed out a hot chick to it Would you eat that? Would you eat that? Eat that or meet that?

Eat. Okay, yeah, that's what I thought you said. Yeah, I'm like, would you eat that, you know? But I know one in particular, one friend of our, no, I'm not even a friend, kind of acquaintance. She was very attracted to. I know that per fact. You know, she told me and talked about it. And we kind of role played with it.

Like she would, you know, said, you know, what would you do? if I was doing this to so-and-so type thing as we're falling around, you know, so. So you knew she would eat something or someone eventually, maybe. Yeah, exactly. Okay, so you tell the girl, so tell me, talk me through that first experience with them, too, hook it up. So when they first hooked up, they kind of did a 69, and then they, switched off where one was eating each other out

one was eating the other one out and then the girl that was getting eaten out she was sucking our dicks so it was kind of turned into a foursome there right right so that was and that was really hot that was a very hot night and now when you get home does your wife like

oh my god like I love women um she enjoyed it yes Yeah, okay. Yeah, she got off and getting her, you know, getting the other girl off. She, you know, she definitely likes to perform. Okay. And she's always had, when she drinks, she's, one, she's a lightweight, but like one or two drinks in her, and she is, used to get as horny as can be. So, and that's how I used to get all my, you know, some of our wild nights we had in the past, you know,

was always, you know, with a drink or two involved. Now, had you guys played with other people in the past before all of this stuff, like when you said the Wild Nights were just like doing crazy things you and her together? Yeah, just to each other. Right, right. I mean, we, you know, we've done it all with sex and dressing rooms, you know, different places. We had a great sex life. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, totally adventurous. Right. Okay, so now they go down on each other. They're blowing you now. Have you guys done like a full swap at this point yet? Yeah, we didn't, no, we did not fuck each other's wives. Okay. We did switch.

It was all oral sex stuff, you know, so I ate the other girl out and my buddy was eating my wife out. And so, yeah, we did that. All soft swap. Right. You know, and then one, this led to another one where. My wife was out of town and I was over there on a weekend. And we, the three of us started falling around. And she asked my buddy if it was okay if I fucked her.

And he said yes. And so she was blowing him while I was fucking her. Right. And at this point, are you really cheating on your wife? or is she like totally cool for you to hook up with this couple? Yeah, because there was another night where we were sitting there and I know my wife was really horny and I had to leave because I had to get up extremely early the next day and she's just so you can go out.

You know, I'll be better. She had her own car there. And we literally live. like a mile down the street from them. And so I left and I woke up in the morning and she hadn't come home. And so when I talked to her later that day, she said it was a crazy night. And I told her you have to tell me about it later. And when I got home that evening from work, she told me how, you know, she was, they were

getting all really crazy into it and she made both of them come and you know she just said it was you know a crazy night right and you were down with that like you guys that was oh totally i was so turned on when she was telling me the story i was so turned on that yeah then we had great sex that evening so yeah it was pretty insane we had a lot of fun with it so but let me just ask you a quick question because you're like sleeping with like that when your wife comes home do you tell her like oh like i had this threesome with them when you weren't there and you have all that reclaiming sex because now it sounds like you guys really are in an open relationship and everything is okay to do right yeah at this point she didn't want any fucking going on at this time so did she know that you fuck the other guy's wife

no she didn't okay so you had was that one of the rules no we never really set that rule. So how did you know she didn't want it? Well, because she had pushed him away one time. Right. She said, no, I don't want to go there. So,

but eventually she did with another couple. Right, but I mean, so you never told her, like that night that you hook up with those people, you don't wind up telling your wife or you just say you do? No, I didn't even bring that night up. Okay. I didn't even bring that night up.

I don't know if I was ashamed or what, but yeah, I never brought it up to her, you know. I mean, would she have mind? I really don't know. But I think it kind of, just from that first hookup that we had together that nobody knew about, I kind of just put that same type of thing in my mind. You know what I mean? I guess. you're just not telling her you're being you know I don't know some people will call it lying

yeah but some people will call it oh it's uh no this I know you're one of those people that it's like like it's like lying by omission like you just didn't say anything so you think that's not lying but some people will consider that lying you know I got you I understand yeah I know people that rule like you know I didn't tell her that I didn't do it so you know I did fucking do it I mean come right right I mean if she asked I would have told her Right, okay, but you didn't just offer it up. No, I didn't offer it up. But you didn't offer it up for a reason.

I'm sorry, I'm just going to nitpick at this a little bit. I think I didn't offer it up because of the fact that I know that before all of us, Sarah phoned around, I know I had, you know, did his wife. And I think I kind of put that the two together. Right, you were afraid that she would think maybe you wanted to, like it was some sort of weird projection that you were nervous that you would get caught before. But you feel like if you told her this, she'd probably be okay with it. Right.

Right, because you guys were hulking up and everything. So anyway, okay. So you, now, does that wind up, like, slowing down with that couple? Or do you guys, are, like, fuck around with them all the time to this day? I mean, like, what? We did for a while for a few years. Uh-huh. And then there was some, there was another couple of ours that used to watch our kids during the day when me, my wife,

worked. So all three of us, like we, the three couples would do stuff all the time. And there was, ended up being a falling out. So it couldn't be together. You know what I mean? So we, it got to the point where, you know, we were in the middle as a couple. We could only do stuff with the one couple and do stuff with the other couple separately, not sexual, but just, you know, going out with all our kids and stuff. And while all this was going on, my buddy and his wife had some, he came into a lot of money.

And it kind of threw them apart because she was, my buddy is real laid back, like I said, and she got really materialistic, and it drove them crazy and they ended up getting a divorce because of it not nothing to do with the sex part it was just all based off of when they came into the money and it just tore their marriage apart okay so we when this was going on we had my buddy over. And so we had, we ended up having a threesome with him. So it was me, my buddy, and my wife. So the same friend that you've been fucking all this time comes over and you allow him to

fuck your wife? This was a first whole time. I wanted, I wanted to. He just couldn't get it up. Okay. Enough. He couldn't get hard enough. He got hard, but not harder. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. So, and that. And that. That was his, always his issue. And so he just couldn't get it hard enough to, you know, to fuck her. But, I mean, he was eating her out while I was getting a blow job. And then I ended up fucking my wife, why she was giving him head. And after that night, my wife was, like, ready to go.

And even in the morning, we did it again. So, I mean, it was a huge turn on for her. I knew that. So the other couple who we never did anything with, we were all hanging out one night. And the next thing I know, the girl started kissing. And I don't even know how that even started. And so they were kissing. And we kind of like me and my buddy just jumped in.

and he was he started eating my wife while she was eating his wife out so i went over and offered her my cock and she started sucking on my cock and that was it for that night and then another night we were with them and we were all in a hot tub we i got out because i was just getting too hot and so did his wife. We went into the house, and we're naked, we're just sitting there having drinks and talking, and I can tell that,

you know, something's going on with my wife and my buddy in the hot tub because I hear her moaning. And here, he's eating her out, making her come, and then I find out

my wife tells me, later that then he started fucking her. And we were laying in, and me and the other wife, we didn't do nothing. We were just sitting there bullshit, but I mean, we're naked. We're just talking. So when me and my wife went to bed that night, she was telling me all about it. And I said, I was very turned on just hearing

her come knowing something was going on. And so then me and my wife ended up having really hot sucks that night. Right. But she's, I mean, was this the first time she had sex with somebody else, right? Yes. This is the very first time. She was actually a virgin when I first started dating her. So I know this is the very first time that she was ever fucked by another guy. Right. Mm-hmm. Now, did she go to town on the other woman or did they just make out? Oh, no, they definitely. I mean, she were, she loved the.

eating the other girl out. Right. So they hooked up too. Yes. Mm-hmm. So we had multiple nights with that couple. Did you ever wind up sleeping with his wife? Like, because now that she's like copped to the fact that she fucked that guy, did she wind up always swapping with him and fooling around with him and going all the way

with him because she had already? Yes. And why didn't you do the wife? She just wasn't ready to go there. but she was fine letting her husband do you know do stuff oh okay so she didn't want to hook the wife didn't hook up with you but she was fine with the husband going yeah but she would let me eat her out i would eat her out right but she didn't want you to fuck her right she just didn't want that to happen okay so yeah i was so we had and this went on for several years

did you guys at this point consider yourself like swingers or I mean, did you guys ever wind up going to like hedonism or anything? We talked about it. Yeah. You know, and then it just, it never materialized because of just everything we would do with our kids. I mean, you know, kids these days are very expensive. So, you know, and then we're looking at, yeah, we would have to get someone to, you know, watch our kids for the week. Yeah.

You know, so that, but yeah, we definitely talked about it. She always wanted to go. Now, did you ever, I mean, so that couple, you would just, like, hook up with them all the time? We used to for, like, probably three, four years, I would say. Now, did your wife ever, like, hook up with women solo, or was it only when you guys were all together? No, it was always when, then when we were all together. And, you know, I told her she could. My wife, she's very, she's an introvert, totally, like, outside of, you know,

this, you know, with these couples, you know, she's definitely a home body. She, yeah. So, you know, and it kind of surprised me what, you know, she always has surprised me, though, when she's drinking and it came to sex. Because she would do crazy things, is what you're saying. Yes, totally crazy things off the wall. Especially because she was a virgin. Exactly.

I mean, I've been lucky. We've been married over 30 years now. Really? You sound young. How old were you guys when you married? I was 26. So you're 56 now? I'll be 56.

Oh, okay. I'll be 56 years. Okay. So how old were you guys when you were together? Like when you were starting all these hookups, like 30s? When we started dating? No, no, no. When you guys started doing swapping and stuff.

We're in our 30s. We're in our early 30s. Right. Now, when that couple faded out, was there any needs to be with other people after that phased out? No, really not. We talked about it. We've, you know, we've roleplayed with it. So we would, you know, we were always up for it.

It just never materialized. And we didn't, she's the kind of person that she's, it just will happen. She doesn't want to, she don't think you can actually go and search for. it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She thinks it just, if it happens, it happens. I once had a guy on, it was a very controversial episode because this was a guy that's wife was down to fuck other guys and do that kind of stuff. But she was like your wife. She didn't want to set it up. She just felt like it just needed to happen. So what he started to do was set shit up behind her back and make it appear like it just happened. You know, the, have you thought of that? I totally have thought about that.

It's fucked up. Because I would love to give her another threesome, you know? So, and I've totally thought about that. I think the better thing to do, listen, your girl is like fucking down. Like, how is she now? Do you guys still talk about those days? Like, is she still as horny as ever? Yes, totally. The last couple of years were kind of iffy with some. you know, menopausal stuff. Yeah. So she's really just starting to come out of it. We always have what we call our date night every Friday. My kids are older now.

Yeah. But even when they were like seniors in high school, they knew where we would be at what bar. And we would have dinner there and then have drinks. And the kids knew if they wanted something, they could always stop in. You know, they could drink, but they can't drive, you know, even underage, where we live, you know, you can drink with your parents in a bar. Really? Yeah. So they would, you know, a couple times, they would have a drink with us.

And I knew the owner of the place. It was a little Mexican place that we would always go to. And, you know, we were always very open with our kids, you know, with our kids that way. So, but so me and my wife would have date nights every Friday and we would talk about, you know, the past hookups. And I have always told her, I said, I love this, you know, have another three somewhat viewing. But she's, well, if it happens type thing, you know, so. But I mean, because listen, over time, as you guys have gotten older, like the world has changed. It's a lot easier to set things up and that's just what people do, you know.

And I think maybe because she grew up in a different time, like she's not used to that. She's not, she's never been on the app. She's been married her whole life, right? So she's not like living in that world that young people grow up with. And it's just like typical. She got married really young. She was a virgin. She's never experienced setting up anything, really.

Think about it. Right. No. You know what I mean? So I think I get why that kind of person would be leery of the whole set up thing. but I think, you know, that kind of person could be talked into it. If you just say, listen, I'm just going to fucking do it. You know what I mean?

Just talk to her. She's cool. She's open. She's down. But like you said, she's an introvert. It's probably she doesn't want to, like, talk to people. It's like it's a very different thing, I think, meeting strangers than fucking your friends. Yeah, totally.

Because, you know, she'll talk about, oh, we need to go. You know, we need to go out. We need to go out. And then I'll set, you know, a night out to go out. and she'll make an excuse why not to go out. And it will finally convince her to go somewhere and she'll have a blast. Right. It's just getting her to that point.

Yeah, I got it. I'm the same way, kind of. Oh, I don't want to fucking go. And then you go and you're like, oh, it's fun. You know what I mean? And you have a great time. And you're like, oh, so it's good that you force her to do that. And I feel like if you really, instead of, you know, doing what that guy did behind his wife's back and just like didn't even let her in on the know.

You know, you could probably talk her into it by saying I'll do everything. You don't have to hook up. Like, I'll talk to them. I'll hook it up. Let's just try. And even if you never want to meet these people, we never will. Just like set up the fucking profile. Right.

Yeah, that's a good idea. I'm going to try that. Yeah. Just say, like, I'm going to set it up. We don't even never have to meet. You know, give her that out. Let's, we can even just fantasize about these fucking people. Let's just, like, start it.

And, you know, I think if you walk her through that and you do that, like, she's the type of woman that probably would be down to do it. She's done it before, you know. I though get why she's leery about it. And like I said, some women just can't fuck anybody. Like they have to be really attracted to them. So, or, you know, she might need a couple drinks and she might have to get to know anyone that you wind up poking up with. Or the best place for you guys, a couple like you, would be a lifestyle resort.

Now your kids are out of the fucking house. What's the reason? Why not go to a place like that? I've had so many people. So many people with great websites with so much information. All you have to do is go listen to one of those episodes. Go to attempted pineapples.com. They have all the information.

You know, that's how they wound up swinging. They went to Lifestyle Resort. And like the great thing about going a resort like that if you want to or a hotel takeover, there's so many people there. There's no pressure to do anything. Like you and your wife could just go and sit back and watch. That's what the one couple that came on recently, Neil and Renee, they both called in separately and, you know, they both talked about their experience and they

started swinging with their neighbors. Very similar to you guys. You know, they were just like doing hookups with people they knew. But like, they went to a resort and just watched their first time. I mean, they got really into it and they were really fucking turned on, but they didn't play. So there's no pressure, you know, and everyone's cool about it. But what they loved about it is that they got to talk to a lot of people and people really talk them through like rules and things they should do and not do, because people are really open and cool when you go to places like that. So maybe talk to your wife about doing something like that. Yeah. Yeah. And that would probably be a way to go for sure.

Yeah, because there's no pressure. And she could have her pick and there's so many people that maybe, you know, there'll be someone where you'll be like, would you eat that? And she'll be like, fuck yeah. You know, you don't know. Most of the people she said no to. But every now and then, there was someone that like she was attracted to. You have a better chance of meeting someone that way in a place where there's tons of people. Or they do have like hotel takeovers. That's what that other couple recommended. They're like, oh, you know, if you can't afford to go on a vacation, you know, because it's costly.

There are these kinds of hotel takeovers that happen where it's the same way, like tons of people in one place. You never know. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. Yeah, we're not far from the big city. So, I mean, that's not, you know, we're within a half hour or so.

Now, all this time since, you know, that one naughty hookup, you've never told your wife, she never found out. Your best friend doesn't know. No one fucking knows. No, nobody knows. And his wife, now his ex, she's completely out of the picture. She's like in another state now from last I heard. Right. and your wife doesn't, and now that friend is still, is he still your best friend?

Still is, yes, absolutely. Now, does he have another girl now, himself, or is he single? You know, yeah, no, he's actually living with another girl now. But nothing has ever happened between the four of you guys. No, no, we don't, we, they live a couple hours away now. Oh, okay. So we don't see him that, we don't see him that often. now I talk, me and him talk at least once a week.

Right. You know, but I don't, I, yeah, we don't see each other in person maybe, you know, once every other month or something. So it's nothing. Yeah, it's not the same vibe. Yeah, it was a different time. Yeah, but we're still, like I said, we do talk once a week at least. Right. So he's definitely, you know, definitely a close friend of mine still always will be.

And now do thoughts of like everything that you do? Is that what keeps your like hookups with your wife hot now? Like how long has it been since you've done any of that stuff since? Oh, it's been probably like 10 years? 10 years. Yeah. I mean, there were some in between there. There were some medical issues that we both had that, you know.

Yeah, life happens. I get it. Yeah, life happens. Yeah. But we're at that point now where like, she even said we need to set dates you know we need to do you know set once or twice a week you know days that we're gonna have full around she's smart that's smart that she's actually bringing that up let me tell you you're a lucky fucking guy because there's a lot of 56-year men out there

that don't have a girl saying let's fuck on these days okay like i know i know how lucky i am and like i said she's always treated me good and she's always taken really good good care of me, both, you know, just emotionally and every other way, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We've, you know, otherwise we want to be married 30 years, you know, and she's still,

the hottest can be, too, you know. She doesn't think so, and I tell her, honestly, you can go and pick up any guy you ever would want. Yeah. You know. She's just really self-conscious. And she gets really, we teach. really we tease me, my kids, we tease her because she gets, what's the word for it? When you give her a

compliment, but she just giggles it off. She doesn't really take it, you know, she gets dummy bright, right, embarrassed. Yeah, okay. She's embarrassed when you give her a compliment. Right. And everyone does. She looks a lot younger than she is. Looks great for her age. Yeah, everyone tells her that. Yeah. It's just not me seeing it's people all the time. It's weird for women, you know, what guys will never understand. Guys have your own issues that you're raised with as far as what society puts on men, you know? Like men, it's all about how much fucking money you make, you know, what your job you have,

how hard you work, you got to fucking provide, you know, you guys have your own sort of issues with what makes you feel valuable as a man. But for women, it's all about her fucking looks and her. body. And so the tiniest bit of a change and then there's the aging thing for women. It's a real mind fucking. It doesn't matter what anybody says to a woman. It's how she feels about herself that's always going to lead how she feels. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I always tell my son he's in his 20s and I said, don't ever try to figure women out. You drive yourself crazy. I says, we're both wired differently. Yeah, totally. That's why I listen, that's why it works, right? You bring different

things to the table. That's why it probably works in your relationship. What I always say, like, when a man is out of work, I'm like, it's equivalent to a woman waking up and she has zits all over her face. They are experiencing the same situation, but those are two different things. It's the only way you could ever imagine how your wife would feel if she got like overweight is if you lost your job. You know what I mean? She's already complained. because she's a little bit overweight. Right, but that's a... Right, of course. And that's the kind of stuff. But you, the only thing that is equivalent to it is if you, like, lost all your cash. I mean, that's the, that's where you feel it in the

same way. And it's because of society. It's because of what society says. A man needs to fucking work and provide and a woman needs to look fucking good. You know, it's like the basic thing. And it's a mind fuck for both people. And I always tell her she looks gorgeous. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. If you were out, it's like, it's like, it's like the basic thing. It's, it's like, of work when you were younger, imagine you said you retired. But if you were out of work and your wife said, don't worry, like we're going to be fine. Like, that's how a wife feels. I couldn't stand being retired.

I worked part of time because I couldn't, it drove me crazy. Yeah, that's good too. It keeps you fucking young. You need something to wake up for sure. But it's like I said, it's just the difference between being a man and a woman and what drives us and the way we feel about ourselves and where we get our self-esteem from. And, you know, for her, the little, it doesn't matter that you tell her she looks good. She needs to feel that way.

And if she doesn't, you know, and that, then what happens with that is that trickles down into every other thing. You know what I mean? Does she maybe not want to go out because she doesn't feel like she looks that great? It just affects everything across the board. Does she not want to really go looking for other people because she doesn't want to take her clothes off, you know? Right, right. I totally understand that part of it, you know, so. Well, don't worry. I'm going to be doing a whole episode on HRT, BHRT, biotentical hormone replacement.

I mean, there are hormones and stuff that women can do to, you know, help their metabolism and help their libido and help their feelings even. Because like when you get older, like I'm sorry, but like younger people don't understand it. Like a gloomy day. If there's no sunshine out, it like affects your mood, you know? I just think that. Yeah. It's like hormones are. the lack of them really changes your whole life across the board in a lot of different ways. But there are things people could do. Yeah. Even mad.

No, I definitely, I would love for her to get on something that, you know. Could help out a little bit, yeah. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. Or she could start working out. Get a little liposection. Go on Manjaro or whatever those fucking people do it. She does work out a little bit still, and she's, you know,

It doesn't matter when you're menopause. It's like, it's almost like, you know, you need a little extra help, you know. But so. Well, yeah, she was a aerobics instructor for years. So she's, you know, she's always got that, you know, working out and she eats healthy.

Yeah. You know, so it's, yeah, it's just a mind thing with the hormones. I understand that. Yeah, of course. And yeah, because that doesn't help. It's like everything together. Right.

So, you know, when you hear my episode, episode about the hormone replacement. There's a lot of like telemedicine places now. Yeah, I'm looking forward to that. Yeah, listen to it because I have been on hormones in every different ways. Now I'm doing something different and I'm waiting to get all of the information to talk about it. But I just want to make sure that what I'm promoting and what I'm into is the right thing. Because I did the pellets and I didn't really like them. And I'm glad I didn't talk about them right away because I wanted to give it a chance first. Yeah, yeah. And I have your have your podcast. So it's and we. And we. I've, on our, some of our nights where we stayed in and just had drinks, you know, I would play one of your, you know, podcasts, you know. Yeah, so that's good. So you play that, you're going to play the HRT one when I have it. Yes. It'll be up soon. Absolutely. And then play the one with Renee and Neil.

They're the ones and they have a great website. Tempted Pineapples. I promoted it on their episode because I think it's great. They put all the information that people need to know about, to find information about being in the lifestyle. Renee called in a Neil. They called in very recently. Let your wife listen to that because that's where they talk about going to the lifestyle resort, how they didn't do anything, how it was just very like easy to go to.

It's not intimidating. And maybe your wife would be like, oh, that's like kind of interesting. That makes sense. Maybe I'd be down for it, you know? So let her listen to those episodes. I will definitely. Cool. Thanks for calling in and sharing your story.

I love it a little bit of a lot. Yeah, it's awesome. Wait until you hear it. It'll be up soon. Thanks, Mike. Thanks so much for calling in. All right. Thank you, Kathy.

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