Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 676 - FETISH FRIDAY: Kenzie and Kelsey on Kenzie Coming Out as a Lesbian Trans Woman

Episode Date: August 18, 2023

Kenzie and her wife Kelsey called in tot talk all about how Kenzie recently came out as a lesbian transgender woman. When did Kelsie start to realize she was into women clothing? How did it make her feel when she would dress up? And how did crossdressing progress into her figuring out she was transgender? Tune in to hear all the details including how her stepmom found female clothes when she was little and how she reacted, how she felt shameful about what she was into because of her conservative household, how and why she labels herself a transgender lesbian, how at first she didn’t question her gender and did that change to her realizing she was trans, how and why she wound up in prison when she was younger and the toxic environment that existed there, how she met her wife Kelsey and how she helped her to realize who she really was, how Kelsey saw signs and proof of Kenzie possibly being trans and how she was insecure at first, how and why she eventually got over her insecurities, how Kelsey has always been into women and her past experiences with them, how Kenzie came out ab out her her cross dressing first and how Kelsey reacted, how labels helped Kenzie along her journey, how and why Kenzie started seeing s therapist and how that helped her realize she was gender fluid and then realize she was a trans woman, how and why Kelsey was more comfortable with her being trans than gender fluid, how they decide to tell both their families and friends and how they all reacted, how Kenzie’s step sibling is also trans and how that soured her family against her being trans, the great relationshipKenzie has with her stepdad and how that has helped her, how Kenzie’s real dad just got sober and how he feels about Kenzie’s transition, how and why Kenzie transitioning is totally ok with Kelsey, how and why Kenzie isn’t sure right now if she will fully transition and get bottom surgery plus a whole lot more. If you want to support Kenzie on her journey, click here: https://gofund.me/df4f9bb2 To see pics of KENSIE & KELSEY a plus see anonymous pics of my other female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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You're going to love it. There's a lot to it. There's like a lot of backstory. Really what they wanted to call in and talk about is how Kenzie just came out as transgender to her wife, Kelsey. But of course, we go all the way back. When did Kenzie start to realize that she was trans? It started with a little bit of cross-dressing. We go back to when that started, how her family felt about it because she got caught,

her background where she came from. Because it turns out that Kenzie had a crazy life. and she really acted out a lot. She had a lot of stuff put on her when she was little. She wound up in jail a bunch of times. And when she came out of jail one time, she met Kelsey. I mean, it's a kind of interesting story how they met. Kelsey has a backstory herself.

She had just become sober when she met Kenzie. They're very lucky they fucking met each other. Kelsey's pretty amazing, okay? She didn't know everything from the get-go about Kenzie. It wasn't until recently that she really fully realized she was transgender and wanted to go down that route. She literally came out seven days. days ago to Kelsey as well as everybody else. And she talks all about that. And Kelsey jumps in too,

like how did she feel when she found out different things about Kenzie? Because the first, Kenzie did admit that she was into wearing women's clothing and then she was dressing and then she was gender fluid. And then she finally came out as trans. And she talks about that whole process. Kenzie talks all about how she felt about the whole process. She's super cool. Let me tell you, you're going to be jealous of Kenzie that he met Kelsey because she's pretty spectacular. We get into their whole backstory. She also came out to everyone in their families, and we talk about how the reaction was. This is very new.

This is a couple I want to talk to a year from now and see where they're at because literally, like I said, she just came out this past week and then came out to everyone. Pulled the Band-Aid off. It's super interesting to hear her story. She talks also about where she wants to go as far as transitioning. So anyway, I have pictures of them. They send me some picks. I have them over on my Patreon.

Links to that is in the description. But I'm going to be right back on with Kelsey and Kenzie. Hi, Kelsey and Kenzie. Welcome. Both of you. You're both on today to the Strictly Anonymous podcast. How are you guys doing? Pretty decent.

Well, listen. Yeah, I'm doing pretty good. Okay, so listen. This is a little nervous about being on the show. No, I love it. Okay. Listen, you guys, this is like something very new in your relationship. Okay.

Well, I'm not talking to you three years down the line. Kenzie, okay, just came out. I mean, this is your guy's story. Like Kenzie just came out to Kelsey as being transgender. Correct? I mean, you know, I need the whole backstory. But that's like where you're at right now. But this just happened, right?

Yeah. I mean, it's been eight days. Wow. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Let's lead up to eight days ago. Okay.

How long are you guys married? You know, what was your deal before, Kenzie? Like, how much did Kelsey really know? Let's get the whole story. I don't know who wants to start. Yeah. So we've been together eight years. And let's see.

She started cross-dressing, like, two years. ago probably. Yeah. And then she started identifying as gender fluid. And then last week sort of progressed to the point where she told me she was a woman. Well, let me ask you this, Kenzie, because I have talked to a lot of cross-dressers. I mean, most of the time, cross-dressing starts really early on. When did it start for you? Well, even in school, I was always like a really hyper-sensitive kid and didn't really have many friends. and things of that nature. But the first memory that I can, well, remember, is I was like 12 years old and I had taken

some of my mom's underwear in like one of my sister's shirt and I put them on. And I think it's probably different for most people. But for me, it was never really like a sexual thing. It wasn't something that I did like putting on women's lingerie and fantasizing about it and jerking off. It was just more of like a comfortability thing. I think for me. That's interesting.

Yeah. I just felt like more like myself, I guess, more comfortable in my own skin. But in it, and it, and it, it, my stepmom, I think I was 14 years old, was changing my bed for me. And she had found like my stash of girl clothes that I had accumulated over the last few years in between my box spring, my mattress. So it's, it's been going on. I'm 36 now. So it's been going on for quite a while. How did she react?

I'm really curious about that to know what she actually ever did do, right? Because when I came out to my father, he was just kind of like, well, make sure this is what you want to do. He's not very supportive at all. And I told him, I said, because he's not married to her anymore. I said, well, why don't you call her and ask her about it? I'm not sure if she ever told you or she just kind of made me feel like shameful about it and was like, I promise I won't tell your father. Like, I don't want to do that to him. Like, I was doing something to him.

That sentence right there is so terrible to say because what is that she's saying so much in that sentence. That's really bad. Well, and she took Kenzie's clothes away and basically said if you want them back, you have to tell your father that they're yours. Yeah, terrible. I hear these kinds of like awful stories, you know, all the time. But I feel like her saying, I'm not going to do that to your father. It's really saying like I care more about the way he feels than you. I mean, it's like it's terrible.

Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, how confusing. was that for you at that time, I would assume super confusing. Yeah, it was always very, very, very confusing for me because I grew up in a super conservative kind of Christian household and so like weren't allowed to, I'll do the air quotes. I know you can't actually see, listen to secular music and everything like was really locked down and monitored my whole life. So it's just, it was shameful, To be honest, I was taught that it was something that was shameful, that anybody who was gender queer or just queer in general, anybody who that belonged to the LGBT-Q-plus community was just not okay, that it was a sin that you would go to hell.

Yeah, it's funny, right? You really think about it. But when you're young and you don't really understand, it's horrifying. You get older and you're like, this is the dumbest shit. Who believes that? It's so weird. If you really think about it, if you have like your own brain. it doesn't make any sense, right?

It's crazy, especially, like, who would pick that if they had to? But let me ask you this because you said, you said before, like, I never had really that many friends and stuff. Do you feel like it was a big part of not feeling comfortable as a person? No, I don't think that's what it was. I was really off the walls and, like, just really, really sensitive and would give anybody anything. So I got picked on a lot and looking back, like, obviously used a lot from people. but it was just kind of one of those things where I was just totally off the walls, like really bad ADHD. But I always was very sweet.

I always had a big heart. And so also I think that my social emotional development was definitely stunted because instead of regular school, I was homeschooled in a church basement. So yeah, exactly. Yeah. So you miss out on that whole how to kind of resolve things and keep long. term friends and and it's something that I've struggled with even in my early 30s. Yeah, of course. I have a kid. I have a son and he's seven and I'm sorry, but like weird kids have weird parents. I mean, they're not born weird. You know what I mean? Like, seriously,

a lot of parents do their kids. A real fucking disservice. I see it all the time and it's sad because how are you going to learn how to be social and make friends if you're at home all the time? I mean, it's crazy. Sorry, homeschoolers. Let your kids fucking go out in the real world. Sorry, you know what I mean? Right. No, seriously.

Yeah. I mean, I think that it can work in certain scenarios, but I think for the most part, it's just not, it's not a good idea. And I think that that instability, not having friends, consistently, constantly feeling shame. I mean, that's what really kind of,

it got me, you know, in a lot of trouble, you know, in my teen years and, and right up until, you know, my late 20s, yeah. And I was just such an angry person and I just felt so much shame. And I hated who I was. Of course, because you couldn't really be yourself. Yeah.

Yeah. Now, did you ever wonder if you were gay? I mean, like, were you confused about your sexuality and your gender? Was it both things that you were questioning or did you ever even question it? No, no, I mean, I would now self-identify as a lesbian. I'm still attracted to females. I've never been attracted to men. We like, and I don't even want to say this in an associate because I think a lot of people associate with being gay.

But a few years ago in our relationship, like we started doing pegging. So I know that I don't like men, but I do know that obviously I like things in my ass. But so do I. Okay. And this is what I always say. It's so stupid. It's just a stigma. Okay.

It's the only reason why. There's nothing to do with being gay. Okay. Gay women go down on women. But does that mean if I have my guy go down on me that I'm gay? Like it's just dumb. It's exactly. Like you just realize that your ass has a lot of sensitivity like any gay man or any straight

woman. I'm a three input girl. It feels fucking good. It would feel the same way for a guy. You know what I mean? Get over it. It's so dumb. I think that it has nothing to do with it.

But I think a lot of. guys actually unfortunately are missing out because there is that stigma and it doesn't make sense because there isn't that stigma for the kind of sex that lesbians have right uh it doesn't translate to the same stigma of oral sex for women um but there's still such an unfortunate stigma attached to gay men that is uh still there to this day which i don't understand so now when you were younger right you knew you liked women when did you start to wonder about your gender identity because you were cross-dressing. Did you, and you said you felt comfortable. Did you know what that meant at that time or no?

No, I don't think that I was fully aware at that time. I do remember a conversation I had with my mom one time where there was a trans person on. It was like a really old obscure, like, I think it was like Nat Geo or something that we were watching. And she just like, I guess she had to pull me aside in the other room in the den and like talk to me because I guess my physical reaction she could just tell that something was really really wrong that I was like not feeling okay about something because I got really quiet and of course when someone like me gets quiet like you know something's wrong because I always talk and I'm always on the wall. Yeah exactly yeah and so and so she just she just explained to me oh well it's not if you're feeling

that way we can get you some help. And so I think that to change you to be. Right. Not to help you to. Right, right, right. To help you to go back to being the opposite way, not to go into it. Right. Right.

And so I think that that has definitely played a significant role in me not exploring how I feel and just kind of trying to shove it all down and shove it to the back. And it's taken a long time. And I'm just so incredibly blessed that Kelsey has given me this amazingly safe space in our relationship. And she always has. And I just, I think that had I never met her, I probably would have never came out as a transgender woman. I used to be really angry. And I don't know, it's just like the floodgates opened a little while ago, like,

a little over a week ago and I think that if you ask Kelsey, she'll tell you that my whole everything has changed. Like I'm just so much more mellow and calm now and like it's just different. I just feel like, I don't know, I feel resentful in a way that it took me this long. But I'm also blessed that luckily for me because things start to get a lot more complicated if you start trying to transition from a medical standpoint. 40 years of age and older is when it starts to be a much difficult transmission, transforming. Yeah, transition. Yeah.

Yeah, that's interesting. Right, just physically. Well, like, with hormone. Yeah, with, with hormone therapy. And yeah. I never would think of that. I can't wait to get to the point where Kelsey comes into the picture, but I just have a couple more questions about your childhood.

Like after your mom, your stepmom found all that stuff, right? And she obviously probably threw it away. Did you try to shelf that for a while? or did you go right back to getting clothing and just doing it secretly? What happened after that? I think about a week after that is when I kind of flipped out, I lost it. I threw a bureau through a closed window. And then from that point on, I was either in foster care or incarcerated until I was 29

with very brief periods of being on the street here and there. Oh, my God. Did you listen to my Jamal episode by any chance? I did. I did. You just put that out like maybe two weeks ago. I did listen to it. Yeah. Because he was he was in the federal prison too. Because it's a little different like. But what's important about these stories always is like and especially with Jamal. You could sit there and be like, oh, this is a guy that's in jail. Or you could be like, no, this is a kid that was gay who was abandoned and told he was not worthy because he was gay and dismissed by his father. And so he wound up in jail because that ruined his life. You know what I mean? Like it's like. That's the stuff that really that happens and that's important. I mean, why were you in and out of jail all this time? Like, look what you were going through. I mean, I think that most criminals are born criminals.

Right. We're all product of our environment. Most people, some people I think are born defective. I'm sorry. Jeffrey Dahmer, like, you know, Charles Mansel. I don't know that these people had a shot. There are defective people, but that's not the majority. I just think some people have it worse when they're younger and shit happens.

to them and it becomes a thing. Like, I mean, you were obviously acting out for probably a lot of reasons more than we could get into on this call because we want to get into when you met Kelsey and stuff. But, you know, you were acting out for a reason. Something was wrong. Right. Right. So when you were incarcerated, there was no way for you to dress.

How did you get your fix? The radio show. Yeah. I used to listen to Delilah religiously. Uh-huh. Delilah. I don't know. And just like being able to hear like people being hypersensitive and, and because it's just,

prison in general is just such a toxic environment. I mean, it's just, it's, you know, and it's taken me a long time to kind of drop that mentality. I mean, it took me a couple years after I, after I got out to stop. It's like if somebody calls you a punk or a bitch, you have to, you have to take off on them. And if you don't take off on them, then your own, your race is going to take off on you. And so it's just, it's, I don't know, I think that, I don't want to say that I ignored it, but I think that I was just so desperately in survival mode that it almost didn't even feel like I needed, needed a fix because, like I said, for me, it was never really like a sexual thing.

And I already was rejecting this macho image of someone that is not me in real life. just to kind of get by. So I don't think that I really thought about it a whole lot while I was incarcerated. Yeah, listen, that makes sense. If you don't have your basic needs being met and you're in that kind of extreme circumstances, it makes sense that you wouldn't have the luxury to go to that part of yourself, right? I mean, that's not those people's life, but you were living in that extreme kind of life. Now, how do you wind up meeting Kelsey?

Well, actually, I will, do you want to do you want to? Yeah. So Kenzie was living. She'd gotten out of prison like a couple days before and smuggled a smartphone into the halfway house where she was living and downloaded a dating app. And that's how we met. Like both of us were on for like a day. And we just clicked and kind of never have been separate since then. But wait a second. How old are you guys at this point when you guys meet? I was 26. So you would have been 27. or 28. Okay, so you go on your first date with Kenzie. Is he like, hey, I just got out of prison? Yes. And I was living at the time in a sober house. I was a newly recovered alcoholic. So we're kind of like at the same stage in our life trying to rebuild. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And doing everything you're not supposed to do in AA. The worst thing you do in that first year is have a relationship. I had so many really, I'm a sober person. I have a great one hour episode about my journey.

coming out, I taped it already. And I made a joke like that first year. They tell you, don't have a relationship. Don't do this. I was like, I did everything. I had like 10,000 relationships. So you didn't, you didn't just have a relationship. You went out and had a relationship with a guy that just got out of prison.

But like, look, I mean, how many years later are you guys together and you found the right person? Lucky you. Yeah. We have a really good life now. We live in like the suburbs and a house and have a pretty normal life. Yeah, that's amazing. Let me ask you this, Kenzie, real quick. Do you ever go back to jail or is that your last stint that time? No, I go back one more time. I go back one more time because I violated the halfway house rules for a dirty urine for marijuana. And I only had two months left on my sentence. So while I was back in in Rhode Island, she would take buses and trains like, for like three, four hours each way to come and visit me during those couple of months. And then I finally got released in March of 2016.

My head was still broken because I thought I could still use drugs in safety or just a little bit. And I actually ended up overdosing. And Kelsey gave me chest compressions and kept me alive for nine minutes until the paramedics got there. Wow. Yeah. So there's a lot there. Yeah. But as a sober person, I mean, you must have known the signs or knew when he was using

and stuff. I mean, did you know that he was having issues? Yeah. I mean, she overdosed. Oh, that she. Did I say he? It's, it's. No, no, no.

That she was having. It's hard when you're talking in past tense and thinking of her as a man. But yeah, she overdosed the first night that she got out of prison. I knew right away what was going. going on and she only used for about 10 days before she got sober. So it was a rough 10 days, but he pulled her head out of her butt pretty quick. Well, I had overdosed again 10 days later. I mean, and that was, that's why it was going on for that 10 days. And then so it's, yeah, it's, there's a lot there. How long, how long ago was that? Over seven years now. I mean, I have

seven years clean now. So, yeah, that's amazing. I love when you're talking to people like seven years out or Jamal 10 years out because I think it's important to show people that people can change. Everyone thinks nobody could change. I believe people can because I've changed so much in my life. Most people think people can't. I think people can fucking change. As long as you're alive, that's what you're supposed to do. That's what we're here for to fucking change.

You know what I mean? It's actually more abnormal to me that people don't change. You know, you're supposed to change. That's what life's about, growing and changing. And so I think that that's like amazing that here you are seven years later. I know you have a little one. You guys have a child because you were putting them to bed before we spoke. So like you said, living in the suburbs, white picket fence, who would think that this story

could end that way? That's like amazing. But let me ask you, Kelsey, when you meet Kenzie, do you notice anything different about her when you're with her? I mean, oh, my God, you're laughing. Yeah. I definitely got like a lot of gay vibes for her. Right.

Like I snooped through her like Google history a little bit and found like a bunch of transgender porn and was like really insecure at first. And then I realized that she just really loves pussy like more than anything in the world. And just kind of put it to the back of my mind because I didn't have any doubt that she was in love with me and attracted. to me. But now when you found though, when you snooped and you were obviously snooping because you thought something was up and you find that transport, did you go to her and say what the fuck and like how was that that kind?

Or did you keep it to yourself? Yeah, I just kept it to myself. I don't know. I knew I shouldn't have been snooping in the first place and I didn't hurt to trust me less. So I didn't say anything. So you didn't say anything, but it did,

I'm assuming it made you have questions in your mind for a while, right? right? Because now you have this kind of information. Yeah. I mean, I think pretty quickly after like probably a few years in our relationship, she started to be a lot more open about thinking that she was attracted to transgender people and like watching that porn in front of me. And it sort of just became not a big deal. Yeah, that's amazing that eventually she was able to be completely honest, was something you already knew, but you never said anything because you felt secure in your

relationship at least at that point. Yeah, exactly. Mm-hmm. And now, Kenzie, what was the first thing that you put out? She obviously knew something was up. Was it that you're into trans porn? What was the first thing that you threw out there to Kelsey about your trans side? Okay.

Yeah. No, I think that that would definitely be like underwear, right? because lovely Amazon has all sorts of like, it's basically women's underwear that are, you know, cute lingerie that they have pouches sewn in the front so that they're tailored, they're tailored for men. And so I brought it up to her. What did you say? What did I say? I honestly, like, wasn't that big a moment. I don't think I remember.

Yeah, I mean, it was, it was so non-reactive. like she she was so nonchalant about it. I think that neither of us can really even remember what the reaction was. That's amazing. Lucky you. And you must have known that at that. You must have known that at that point, right, that you're going to throw that out there. And this is the kind of woman that's going to be cool with it.

Right? Because you were, this is a couple of years in, right? Like you really know her by now that you put that out there? Yes. Yes. So we were dating for probably at least two years at that point. And she actually turned and looked to me. When we're standing in our bathroom, we have a bathroom off the master bedroom.

And she looked at me and she said, if you're transgender, that I would still, I would never leave you, right? And I'm not sure exactly what prompted her to say that, but she said that a year ago. And that was before any of the gender fluid and all the other labels that I felt like I needed to put out there to, I don't know, I think it was a progression for myself too. think I needed those labels in those moments to kind of cope and kind of just nudge myself a little bit closer to being who I view myself is truly. For sure, I always say that about labels. I think that they're fucking great. And I know a lot of old people don't feel that way and some people find them confusing.

I don't know that you need them your whole life. But I think it's like a really great thing to be able to be to be labeled something than to not fucking know. When I was born, there was like three things you could be gay. bisexual or straight. You were married or single. I mean, there was just like not that many boxes. And if you didn't fit into any of those little boxes, you were like weird or not normal. And so I think it's great that there's every kind of fucking box out there for every kind of gender, sexuality, all that stuff. You don't need to keep it forever. And who the fuck do you care if someone labels themselves? But I think

it's really helpful to people, no matter what age you were to be able to sort of put a label to it. It clears you up but half our life we're trying to figure out who the fuck we are we're not born knowing like you figure that out it's what your 20s are and 30s some people still haven't figured out who the fuck they are and I do think that these labels really help people I think it's great and you just explained that for you it was a good thing right oh absolutely like because when I finally did tell Kelsey I mean I I probably was in the fetal position just had completely losing it balling my eyes out for I'd probably say it solid. an hour or so. And so obviously there was a lot of pain there. But yeah, it allowed me to

giving myself these different labels working up to that it kind of allowed me to work it out within myself and also have some peace in the moment because it's like, okay, well, maybe I'm just gender fluid. Maybe I swing one way one time and the next time I'll swing this way or or today I wear a dress. Tomorrow I wear pants. And it gave me some relief for a while. right for a while and I think that any time a label is no longer giving me relief it kind of forces me to kind of figure out what the next label or the next thing is and and so they definitely help me in my journey and in being able to progress yeah and all that's doing for you is helping you get really super clear on who you are and that's important because I have people that are 50 years old

and they're still not fucking clear and they haven't been able to be as open as you are and stuff so you're one of the lucky ones that you're sitting here on my show at 37, you know, with your girl, fully out and proud. What, how did you, because she said that you started cross-dressing two years ago. So that started with the panties and you just brought that out and how did it progress? And how did you feel about it, Kelsey? Like, I didn't really feel that strongly about it one way or the other. It made her happy. And so it was fine with me.

I kind of, I guess I identify as like on me. I've slept with plenty of women before. I haven't dated one before. Well, I guess I have. Now you are. You're married to it now, but you had no before. But I just, I love her for the person she is, first and foremost. And so the outside is just,

whatever makes her happy makes me happy. But how did it, like in your house though, or at this point when, you know, Kenzie starts dressing is, I'm assuming it goes from panties to more, right? Like you're then, are you full, do you get to the point where you started fully dressing

in front of her, Kenzie? Yeah, so I think what, what ended up happening, I believe, you just told me you wanted to try on a girl's outfit, I think. Yeah, I think, I think, I think I actually asked her.

I think I actually asked her to order me an outfit offline. I think how it started. And then from there it was just, from there it was, okay, well, I think I want to try putting on makeup. And so Kelsey's absolutely phenomenal and, you know, being so patient with me and teaching me all sorts of things. Yeah, she ruined all my makeup. Oh, my God, I'm pissed. Yeah. Yeah, I definitely did ruin a lot of your makeup.

I love you. Yeah, and so from there, I've been working with a phenomenal therapist who specializes in matters of gender and she's really sex positive. And so I've been working with her for about a year. So that was kind of the next, I guess, progression was after the full outfits and the makeup, it came, well, geez, I think I really need to talk to somebody about this. Like, I'm not, I'm feeling very less than. I'm feeling very shameful. just kind of all those old voices that were so deeply ingrained in me were getting getting loud and so I did the most rational thing and that's go to therapy and I think about six six months

into therapy I started to identify as a gender fluid and was looking even even as identifying as gender fluid Kelsey would help me find like the best doctors because I wanted to definitely get breasts. I want top surgery. And I don't know. I think that the weight just got too heavy to hold until I just kind of broke down and admitted it to myself and to her that I was transgender. Well, and for me, gender fluid made me a lot more nervous than Kenzie just being a woman because like that's so tricky to be able to, so the PC word now is blend, not what is it? blend.

Blend. What does that stand for? As opposed to passing as female, you would say blend. Oh, okay. Mm-hmm. So Kelsey, I just felt like being gender fluid, she was never really going to be able to blend in either direction. I was really worried about how that was going to impact her emotionally.

Whereas now that she's a trans woman, like there's a very clear path forward on how to get her to where she wants to be. Right. Now, Kelsey, do you have like, is anybody else besides the two of you in the know of like all of this stuff that's going on in your relationship? Like have you come out to any other person, Kenzie, Kelsey, have you told any of your friends and like what kind of reactions have you guys gotten? Or you're just keeping it between the two of you as of now, even just the cross dressing and all the stuff that's come up. Right. So we've never shared any of those aspects with anyone, but I did feel like it was very important to solidify and affirm that I am a trans woman that people in my life needed to know.

And I was just tired of hurting so much. So we just kind of really took the approach of where we ripped the Band-Aid off. So we have actually contacted Kelsey's parents, my mother and my stepdad, my dad. All our friends. Yeah, like all of our, all of our friends. And I, I, I, I, my heart really goes out there to people that don't have the amazing support system that I have just in my personal life. I mean, obviously, we, we also got onto the forums and joined some LGBTQ Plus groups and the support there is phenomenal. So there, there really isn't anyone in my life that doesn't know at this point.

That's pretty major. Now, how did your parents feel? What do you tell them? Well, so here's the thing. I have a sister. She was born a man. So I have a transgender sister as well. Oh, you're kidding.

And when did she come out? When did he come out? Step sister. Yeah. Okay. She came out right after. She came out about five years ago. She got released from the military.

And her plan was to, she chose infantry front line. And her plan was, I'm going to save. up every penny and I'm either going to die in a war or I'm going to have all the money to transition when I when I'm you know when my four or five years is up I mean she was borderline suicidal I think it was yeah yeah yeah yeah that's like either I'm going to like fucking end it all or I'm going to be the who the fuck I am I get it yeah so the problem is is I mean I hate saying this but like she's just not very nice she's just kind of a bitch and so And so she really kind of ruined it for me with my, my mom and my stepdad, right?

Because they now associate with, like, her being a shitty human with being transgender, right? Right. And so my mom, we were trying to work up the courage to say some things, to say stuff to her. And it had, she was actually asking about my, my trans sister and whether or not she had the bottom surgery. And we just told her, like, that's not ours to tell. Like, it's not really any of your business. somebody has in their pants. And so she was saying a lot of like transphobic things. And of course, Kelsey being Kelsey. Yeah. My mother was saying on. So Kelsey being Kelsey was really sticking up for me and

kind of going to bat. And so at that point, I just had assumed that I was going to lose them, which, which my stepdad is probably my biggest support in my life. My dad is, he's, my dad sucks. But my, my stepdad. I didn't want to lose that relationship. So I was pretty upset about that. And then I said, well, if I feel like I'm going to lose them anyways, we may as well just rip off the Band-Aid. And so I told her that-

You told me. What? You have to specify. Oh, yeah, yeah. So, so, I don't even know what I was saying. You told me to text your mom. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he went.

Yeah, so I texted, I texted Kenzie's mom and said, you know, We use Ardvark. Ardvark's our code word for Kenzie's old name because it's just so ridiculous it makes you laugh. Yeah. So I said Ardvark's not Ardvark anymore. She's, she's Kenzie and sort of just braced ourselves for a response, I think. Yeah. And what was the response? She, my mom has some mental health issues and she's a lot to, to, to handle sometimes. right and so she'd kind of tried to make it all about her so i just had to be really patient

in texting back and forth with my mom until where we kind of got in a decent place to where now they both say that they are excited and eager to meet me and they live about three four three or four hours away from from where we live and so i'm actually going to be driving out there i think like the second weekend in august just by myself and i don't know i guess we'll see. We'll see. Well, listen, I think if you were able to turn them around in that short of a time to where that they were at least texting, accepting, and wanting to meet, that's pretty amazing because that's a far place to come in a short while.

And I think, listen, I think, of course they make it about them. This is about you. I mean, this is, as human beings, we're always, like, think of ourselves first. You know, everyone's, like, basically fucking selfish. You know, and you do have to understand that, you know, you guys are parents now. to that they have to go through their process. You've been dealing with this your whole life. You finally are at the point where you are ready to fucking do it.

Sometimes the other person isn't just yet. I actually think you're lucky that they turned around so quickly because I think other parents take a little bit longer. And I think you have to understand that, you know, and give them time because, you know, it took you time to get there, right? But I think that that's great that they're ready to meet you and looking forward to it. Well, I think that my only full biological sibling was my sister, and she just passed away from an overdose in February. And so now my mom only has one biological child, and that's me.

And as for my stepdad, he has other kids, but none of, you know, he doesn't talk to the other two. So I'm the only child that he has in his life. I mean, now my dad kind of went the complete opposite way, right? because when my sister died, I, we, we, my father and I have always had a very complicated relationship. He has no emotional intelligence. He's from a very different generation. And he just, he drank through his first liver. He just got a transplant like two or three years ago, a liver transplant. And so now he's sober for the first time in like literally 60 years. Wow. And I think that he's probably pretty miserable. Yeah, really miserable. And so where I'm, we're, where, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, and. And, uh, I think that he's,

where it's at with him is he's kind of just ignoring it and kind of refusing to accept it. And like even though I legally change my name, he's still dead name, dead naming me. Yeah. And I don't think that he'll ever accept it. But you don't know because listen, let me just tell you something. And I put this in part of my, this is very important for people to realize about people. And Kelsey, you're sober. And Kenzie, you're sober.

You know this. I'm sober. And I think what a lot of people don't understand and they forget is that someone that's using something. It's not like you take the thing that you're using away and now you're fixed. The thing that you're using is not the problem. There's something underneath that. You take that away and then the work starts. Then you're at the beginning of fixing yourself. And I think a lot of people don't fucking understand that and they think, oh, someone's going to get clean. I got them to stop drinking and now they should be normal. And when they're not normal, they're like,

oh, this person's still fucked up. Look, their drinking wasn't the problem. You get, as a sober person, You were fucked up the minute you stop your stuff because then you realized why you were doing it because you were a fucking mess. Your father was drinking himself to the point where he lost his liver because he is protecting some part of himself that he can't fucking deal with or else there would be no reason for him to be drinking that much in the first place.

So that guy's fucking lost. It doesn't mean, though, as a sober person that he's not going to find his way. I think the fact that your dad is sober for the first time and lost his fucking liver is you have, have actual chance of that man changing and becoming a better person because that's the only way that people who are drinking that much or using that much will ever change is they got to get fucking sober first and then start the work.

That's when the work starts. So the fact that he's newly sober, like you've got to give him time, but he might come around. You don't know. So being sober changes people like nothing else would. You know what I mean? Like seriously, it really is the most powerful thing that somebody with fucking major issues. shoes could ever do. It changed me. I always say like from going in a room that was fucking pitch black to being out in the sunshine. Like that's how drastic of a change getting sober will

be. But it doesn't happen immediately after. It takes years and every year is better and better. You guys know that. You're both sober. So give your your dad a chance. He may come around. I think it's amazing that you have that great relationship with your stepdad right now and you know that at least that's not. leaving you because that's a thing and what you have is Kelsey. Kelsey sounds fucking amazing. I mean, you know, and I always say there's someone for everyone. Like, look, you're a guy that just get out of fucking jail. And the first day you get out, you're like, I'm like an ex-prisoner. Here I am dating. And you meet the girl of your dreams and she's like amazing. Like, it really goes to that there is somebody for everyone. And if that's what you want, you could find it. And look what

you found. Like gold. She saved my dad's life too. Oh, really? You were a part of his journey? Like, how did you do that, Kelsey? Well, he hadn't been responding to us for a couple days, and we knew that his drinking had escalated. And Kenzie was feeling really upset with him at the time and didn't want to go over to check on him. So I went over and saw how yellow his eyes were and how jaundiced his skin was. And basically said, okay, you don't have a choice for going to the hospital. And he wanted his Burger King first. So we went to Burger King. And then we went to the hospital and he ended up in the neuro ICU and was very sick for a while.

And then they got him stabilized and eventually he got his transplant. Wow, lucky him. I mean, a lot of people aren't that lucky to get that transplant. I mean, and so soon and just in time. So now, so you literally came out one week ago. How was that conversation for you, Kelsey? Because obviously you probably already knew, I mean, or was it a surprise? I mean, how did you feel about it?

I wouldn't say like I was certain, but I'd say I had a pretty good idea of what was coming. Like, like Kenzie said earlier, I'd told her probably a year ago that if she was trans, that I was fine with it and that I wasn't going anywhere. And she played it like really cool. And so she was driving me crazy. We were just hanging out, sluggling, just having a night to ourselves, our kids. kid was away at summer camp and she kept kind of bringing something up and then stopping herself and I was getting more and more frustrated that she wouldn't tell me what it was and then she finally turned to me and and said I'm trans and I was a little confused at first because I thought we'd sort of

already established that she was gender fluid trans and then it kind of clicked for me and I said you mean you're a woman and she just like started crying and barely got a yes out and I can't remember exactly said, but something along the lines of like, okay, we'll get through this. Right. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's amazing. And Kenzie, did you, I mean, how did you? And then right after that, is that when you started to say, is that when you both

decided to come clean with everybody? Like, how was that conversation with the two of you and why did you decide to pull the band-aid off? I mean, because like I said, this has all happened in the past seven days. So everything must have happened very quickly afterwards, right? I mean, I think This is something that she's so desperate to just get moving on the medical transition And, you know, once she's on hormones and gets implants and all that,

then everybody's going to know that anyway. So it was kind of like, might as well just get it over with so we can get her on hormones and like really, really start this process. Right. And you, because you've always been interested in women, right? Like you're down with the transition and it's for you it doesn't make a difference, correct? It's still Kenzie is. What's the other name?

Ardvark? It doesn't matter, right? Yeah. I don't like PIV like at all. You don't like what? I don't like PIV. What's PIV? Penis in vagina sex.

Oh, you don't like penetration. I really don't. I mean, I don't mind anal, but like, yeah, I just, I find it uncomfortable. I don't enjoy it. I don't get into it really. So our sex life has always been a lot more about, like, toys and other forms of play. So I don't really anticipate, like, I'm really excited about having boobs to play with. Yeah.

But other than that, like, I don't think our sex life is going to change all that much. Right. And it's like, because you are going to get fully, you're going to fully transition, right, Kenzie? I'm not sure yet, to be honest. Like I'm absolutely going to live my life as a woman. But I'm really trying to keep an open mind and be non-judgmental to myself and just kind of see where this path leads. So if I had to make a decision today, I would say that I would I would not elect to get any bottom surgeries. having functionality was really important to me.

Unfortunately, medicine hasn't really caught up yet, and they still are just, I mean, because most hormone treatments, it's basically chemical castration, but they've been doing these things with a low-dose estrogen to where you don't have to go on a spiral or a T-blocker, so you retain your functionality, you can still get an erection. So there are definitely ways to do it to where you can,

maintain functionality yet on the outside be you know appear to be a blended a blended woman right so I'm not really sure yet and what is your relationship to your penis because I I feel like some like the one trans woman I spoke with recently what was her fucking name I just have so many episodes Sienna she hated her penis she used to want to try and cut it off with scissors when she was little I mean it was always like and she did the surgery and it was very successful and she has orgasms and all that kind of stuff. But I mean, like, so it doesn't sound like you feel that way about your penis. Like, how do you?

No, I mean, I've always been, I've always been happy with my penis. Yeah. I don't, I definitely don't hate it. I will say something I've noticed in the last few days is obviously because I'm, I'm not, I never went out in public dressed as a woman. So learning how to, like, talk properly so that you can still wear the yoga pants and the skinny jeans and stuff like that. that's definitely going to be something that I'm going to have to learn that I've noticed as I've been pretty much exclusively wearing female clothes over the last week with the exception of like the non-safe spaces.

Like I was doing some work for somebody and I had to run into Home Depot. So it was shorts and a t-shirt and it's and it feels like a mask. It feels like a costume. And hopefully my goal is to someday be completely blended and feel completely myself. I'm really excited about this journey And I'm so humbled and feel so blessed by all of the support that I get from Kelsey and the other people in my life. Yeah, well, listen, what a fucking life you've lived already? Even Kelsey too, I feel like there's a lot more backstory there for Kelsey.

You know, but you know, and you're only 37 and you've been through so much and you're at this such a a pivotal time in your life. Like it's so interesting where you'll be even 10 or 20 years from now. But I do feel like you are very lucky. There's only good stuff ahead. I think, listen, I talk to some of my younger friends because I'm in my 50s now. And what's bad about being old is like your skin and you're like just like physical stuff. But what's great about being old is like you don't, you're not like you're done figuring

yourself out and a lot of like those really intense moments. happen when you're younger because that's when it's supposed to that's when you are figuring yourself out and it's just it's great that you're doing it sooner than later you know what i mean it really it really is and like i said you're like you're one of the lucky ones you listen to my show there's so many people that are so much older than you that are still living a secret life so i think it's so great that when people like you share your story and and show people that it is possible you were lucky that you found someone who's very open and accepting i think younger people are and that's helpful too

just like your age but I think it's like amazing where you've come from now do you have pictures that you could send me for my Patreon I always post picks over there I think it would be super interesting for people to see oh I already have one picked out her ass looks amazing yeah oh okay awesome what's your vibe like what's your style

Kenzie like what kind of girl are you she's like a slutty club girl oh my god that's my favorite I was hoping you say that whenever the any kind of when I have cross-dressers on not just trans but cross gestures and they're like I love the slutty clothes I'm like so do I I just got actually I had a guy on from shaping's a hosery brand right and he sent me like a whole box of like panty and all stuff but then he threw in some like really slutty outfits and I'm like oh my god I can't

wait to try this shit on it's like bar slutty Barbie clothes like that's my favorite kind of a oh I know you too oh I know yes I yeah that's definitely my style lipstick lesbian all the way yeah yeah I love it okay awesome so send me some lipstick lesbian picks of you. Kelsey's going to send them over. We'd love a pick of Kelsey too. Mononymous picks. I mean, Kenzie, though, we'd love to see you as Kenzie, right? So it doesn't have to be like no faces. But Kelsey, if you want to send in a pick of you two, are you guys together? That'd be fucking awesome. I love, you know, your guy's story. There's so much there. You know, after you do some transitioning, I'd love to have you back on. I think that would be interesting to follow you

in your journey. I like that kind of stuff. Because when I'm talking people, it's like sometimes we're like at that first chapter. You know, I feel like this is just the beginning in a lot of ways. So it would be interesting to talk to you a year from now and see where you're at. Have you changed as far as bottom surgery? Have you not? Have you, do you have your breasts? Where are you at?

I think that would be like really interesting to follow. You know, how has your alcoholic former alcoholic father has that change? Because you never know. Right? Right. No, we'd love to. We'll definitely send you some pictures and make sure that we. We post it.

We will absolutely do that, Kathy. We appreciate you. We love your show so much. No, and I love stories like this. And I love that you found my show. And I love that you called in. And I think these stories are super important. And I love that you guys found each other.

I like happy endings. I like things that change like this. Like I said, I believe people can change and grow and change. And I love showing people that that is the way that is. You guys both have grown and changed, you know, so much. So thanks so much. for calling in and sharing your story because I think it'll help other people. Thanks, Kathleen.

Thank you. Send me in those picks. Your episode will be up on a Fetish Friday. Maybe like next week. Maybe I'm going to put it for Fetish Friday next week because it's such a good one. So send me those picks sooner than later, okay? We absolutely will. Thank you.

Awesome. You guys are the best. Congrats and good luck with everything. All right. Thank you guys. Bye. Okay. I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly Anonymous,

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