Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 680 - Lucy is a Hotwife
Episode Date: August 28, 2023Lucy is a hotwife and she called in to talk ll about it. How did she meet her husband Charlie (ep. #644)? How did he bring up her being a hotwife? And, how did her first couple of hook ups go? Tune in... to hear all the details including how and why she was cheating on her ex husband with Charlie and how her husband found out, how Charlie had free pass from his wife at the time but why he left her for Lucy, how Charlie turned her on to threesome porn and how that got them to start talking and fantasizing about hooking up with other men, how and why they decided to let a guy videotape them having sex and exactly what went down and how she felt about it, the next guy who videotaped them and how she wound up hooking up with him, how their initial hookups were just oral and how she eventually had sex with another guy in front of her husband and how and why she was so turned on by it, what exactly goes down during their mfm threesomes, how and why she’s not into watching her husband with another woman, the soft swaps they have had with couples and exactly what has gone down, how and why how she is more into performance vs. size, the rules they have set in place, what she was nervous about hotting in the beginning and what makes her nervous now, the gangbangs she’s had and what she enjoys about them, why she not into swinger parties and prefers hooking up outside of an event, what she considers a hookup and why, how and why she started an Onlyfans plus a whole lot more. Her onlyfans https://onlyfans.com/texaslucy/c1 **To see anonymous pics of LUCY plus anonymous pics of my other female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at strictlyanonymouspodcast@gmail.com or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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I have on lucy now lucy is a hot wife her husband charlie called him before it's episode six 44
charlie turned his vanilla wife into a hot wife I mean the thing about lucy that's super interesting
I think is like she still sounds like a vanilla woman they were both married to other people
charlie was in an open relationship and had a free pass and went after lucy lucy was in a
relationship with a guy. She was married. Things weren't so great over there. So when she met
Charlie and started hooking up with him, first time she ever cheated, it was like instant
chemistry. I mean, after a short time, she realized she was in love with him. He realized he was in love
with her. They both left their partners. We get that whole story. And then they wound up together.
Okay, Lucy had never done anything with other people. Charlie was more of the driving factor and them,
you know, living this alternative lifestyle. First, he started getting her into watching porn with him,
and he started bringing up them hooking up with other people. And what they first started out doing,
which I thought was super interesting, is like getting people into videotape them having sex.
I mean, that was like their gateway drug into hot wiping. And she agreed to it. She's very much
the type of woman who's very turned on by turning on her husband. She talks about that very, very
first experience. They've been doing this for a long time. Okay. So when they started, it was like Craigslist.
They found a guy in Craigslist to videotape them. They really wanted to do it in front of somebody
and then have that videotape and they did it. Like I said, she goes through that first experience.
Then they met another guy. And it was with that guy that while they were videotaping it,
he got her to like hook up with him. And then that little hookup turned into more hookups. And now she's
a full-fledged hot wife. She has had many gangbangs with like five people. She,
likes a guy who can fuck good. I mean, that's the one thing she says she looks for in a guy. It's not
about size or anything. It's someone that could like perform and perform for a while. She enjoys
this lifestyle because of the attention she gets from guys, because of how it makes her guy feel.
She is not into seeing her guy with another woman. They have been with couples. She talks about those
experiences and goes into detail about things that they've done with other couples, but she has always
made it known that she's not into that. She was like most women where she was worried that he was
getting her involved in this so that he could do that, but he never pushes her. So it's all good.
They're very much just into bringing in another guy. Her guy is always there. She doesn't play solo.
She does talk about a couple rules and regulations they have with each other. She goes into very
specific situations. Like I said, she's had some gangbanks. She talks about that. She's done it all,
but she still, like I said, sounds vanilla. And I think that that is losing.
See's appeal and she talks about that. I mean in her regular life you would never believe that this is what
Lucy is doing. Nobody knows this is a very private life eventually after doing this and living in this
lifestyle and being a hot wife. They eventually started in OnlyFans. They have that now. But like I said,
they were doing this way before OnlyFans. They've been doing this when Craigslist was around,
okay, for many, many years. They did start in OnlyFans. Her OnlyFans is Texas Lucy. I will put
a link to her only fans in the description.
She set me some picks of herself.
I have them over on my Patreon.
So if you want to see them,
you could go there.
The links, though, to her only fans will be in the description.
You're going to love her story.
It's super interesting.
So I'm going to be right back on with Lucy.
Hi, Lucy.
Welcome to the strictly anonymous podcast.
How are you today?
I'm good.
How are you doing?
I'm doing good. I'm excited to talk to you. I like when I get a couple on and I talk to one partner and then I get the other partner's view of things because sometimes it's like the same story but totally different told from whether it's the man's point of view or the woman's point of view. Your husband has been on the show. What did we call him? Was it Charlie? Yes. Charlie. Okay. Charlie and Lucy. So Charlie called in. He had a hot wife. That was you. You were cheating on your husband. Okay. With Charlie. That's how you guys met.
And then he got you into hotwifing.
And now you were coming on to tell the story from your side of things, which like I said,
I think sometimes it's the same story.
I don't remember Charlie's story.
I'm taping people all day long.
If people want to listen to his episode, though, I will put the number and the title in the
description.
So people who will listen to that as well.
Okay.
But we're going to get your story today, your side of the story.
How your guy talked to you into being a hot wife, okay?
Because you weren't one before.
I mean, you were cheating on your husband.
Why don't we start there?
Okay.
So you're married.
How long were you married?
Like were you always cheating on your husband?
Was Charlie the first guy that you started to see behind his back?
What was your deal?
Yes, Charlie was the first guy.
I started to see behind his back.
I had never cheated on my husband.
And we were married 16 years.
And he had hired Charlie to do some work for us.
And my husband at the time traveled all the time.
he was never home and out of the country for weeks at a time.
And at one point, I need to get in touch with Charlie.
So I messaged my husband.
I said, hey, can you reach out to him?
I need this, this and this.
And he said, hey, here's his number.
You just handle it.
Well, that's how we ended up connecting, starting talking back and forth.
So I guess I could blame it on my husband, right?
He gave me the number.
I don't know.
But, I mean, what was he doing for you?
We had hired him to do some racing consult team.
Some what?
racing consulting racing what's racing like racing cars oh that's kind of interesting i just saw that
grand teresa mo movie it's so good yes it was so i had just started messaging with the things i needed
invoices all that and then before you know it the texting just became more flirtatious
and eventually we just i mean i could go into all the text and everything but over time we just
decide to meet up and and one thing linked to another and I started cheating on my husband.
Now, what was going on with your husband? I mean, you had never cheated on him. Was everything
great in your marriage and Charlie just kind of wooed you away or were there issues over
there anyway and Charlie was just at the right place at the right time? So I didn't have like a bad
marriage was I was abused or anything, but I had a what you would call a convenient marriage. We were
married we had a decent life but he lived his life and I lived mine he traveled all the time was gone
three or four weeks at a time so I was home raising children all by myself so I think Charlie at the
time of my life came in and brought the excitement and everything I needed and I think that's where
I decided that wasn't the life I wanted anymore well because you eventually leave your husband I mean but
even just to start having sex with this guy is it was like what was your sex life with your
husband. Was it lacking as well? Because he was just never around. Oh, yeah. It was lacking. He was never
around and it was very lacking. So I would say we really, we had a, not a sex life, but we had
sex when he was around. But it wasn't anything over the top. It was your basic. Vanilla.
They call it vanilla. Yeah. So I'm not great at all those terms because all this was new to me when I met
Charlie. So, but so we had that going on for a little bit. And my husband, I guess, caught on and
hired a private detective.
Oh, you're kidding.
I don't even remember this.
I don't know if Charlie told me.
He actually hired a private detective and had me followed and caught us.
Okay, but before your husband catches you, I mean, where are you guys like fucking,
like at the house and a car cheating sex is the way?
House.
Yeah.
Car really.
Everywhere.
Yeah, hotels.
It went on, I would say, I'm going to say six weeks.
Oh, that's it.
How did your husband catch wind after six weeks?
You were sloppy?
Well, probably because I went from the housewife that stayed at home all the time.
Never went out.
Really didn't have a lot of friends that I hung out with.
And then I'm all of a sudden having to go do all these errands or things like that.
I mean, if I looked at, that would have been a red flag to me too.
Oh, okay.
Because you're like, you're like fucking him all the time.
So you had good chemistry with him?
Yes.
Great chemistry.
So how does your husband catch you?
Like, did he have pictures?
Yeah, he had everything.
I guess I've never seen him.
He says he has video or he did have videos, pictures,
and he confronted me one night and said,
I know what you're doing with Charlie and you can get out of the house now.
So, of course, we had this knock down, drag out.
I was like, well, I'm not leaving the house because I was invested in it too.
So this went on for a little bit.
And at that point, he said, I really don't care if you see him.
Can you just state we had children at the time until at least the kids are out of high school?
And how old were they then?
12 and 10.
Okay, so that's a long time.
He wants you to stick around for like the next six, seven years.
Yes.
Okay.
But he was like, I don't really care what you do.
You can see them.
You can do what you want.
But can you just stay.
And I was like, no, I can't do this.
It wasn't even an option.
I'm not going to, I was already living a life I didn't want.
And then I'm going to sit here and live another life.
So I said, no.
I said, I've fallen in love with Charlie.
And this is the life I want.
In six weeks he fell in love with Charlie.
I mean, I guess it was love because you're still with him.
Yes.
I got married to a very young age, which my parents said, please don't.
So sometimes you're young and dumb, and sometimes you have to grow up to.
I don't think sometimes.
100% of the time, you don't know who the fuck you are when you're 17, 18, 19, 20.
I don't even know if I know who I am now.
Yeah.
At my age or what I want to be in life.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
So I just, at that point in my life, I'm like, I'm doing what I want to do for me for a change.
I did it. Wow. So that whole kind of affair reignited something in you that it was not only like about Charlie,
it really was a turning point for you in your life. I mean, leaving your husband. What did your husband do to Charlie?
Did he like try to kick his ass or anything? I don't know. I just think of a race car driver as a tough guy.
No, he actually didn't. He of course no longer worked with him. But I, he did try to confront him and you know,
you're screwing this family up and everything. Charlie was also married at the time. Oh, I didn't know that.
Yes, he called his wife and said something, but him and his wife had an open marriage.
And so I guess it was nothing new to her when my husband called and said, your husband's cheating on you with my wife.
Yeah, she was like, yeah, I see that videos.
Yeah.
So it wasn't like it was news to her, but I don't think she ever thought he was going to leave as long as she allowed him to just keep having relationships.
So then what happens there? That's kind of interesting. Like I said, I don't remember everything that went down with a story from talking to your husband. Yeah. That's fine. Yeah, it's kind of interesting. So I like cheating stories because I think it's important. Sometimes there are warnings to other people. And that's why sometimes I ask a lot of questions about what's going down in the cheating world. Just because people could learn. This is like what can happen. You're away from your wife all the time. You're not complimenting her anymore. You get used to your life. You're kind of like on autopilot. And, you're
And in comes a Charlie.
And look on Charlie's side.
He's got this wife at home.
She's giving him a free pass.
He could do whatever he wants.
Did he tell you that straight up in the beginning?
Did you know that that was his deal?
Yes, once we became more like flirtatious texting and things like that, yes, he did tell me.
So you knew he was married, but you knew his wife was okay.
I would have thought like, I mean, before I did my show, if I was like a normal vanilla housewife like you were,
I would have been like, this guy's full of shit.
Like there's no way his wife knows.
Do you know what I mean?
Like he's just telling me that, but he's totally cheating on her.
I mean, you know what I mean?
Because you never think that that those kinds of situations really exist.
Yeah, I mean, to me it was kind of odd because that whole type of lifestyle I had never heard of, never thought of.
That's what I mean, yeah.
So it was probably odd.
I was probably just like, okay.
You didn't care.
You were married too.
So it wasn't.
Right.
And then, but then I was like, well, maybe he just, you know, wasn't, I don't know, he was just out having sex.
to have sex. So maybe like, well, here we made a relationship. So maybe that all changes. So now you leave
your relationship. Now he's still with his wife, but you're in love with him. Did you get the idea that he was
in love with you too? And he was with like wanting to leave his wife for you? Yeah. He actually brought
it up before I even considered it because he's, oh, I guess you could say the more outgoing. He does what
he wants. He doesn't care what people think of him. He does what he wants for him and what's going to
make him happiest. So yeah, we ended up both leaving our spouses and we continued dating for a little while
and then he said, let's go get married. So I said, sure, let's go. And we did. Wow. Now, because you have
kids and stuff and there's family functions. Are there ever any kind of shared events with your husband
and Charlie? No, there's no, I mean, there's the graduations because all of our kids have graduated now.
So there's those. We can be in the same place at the same time and be cordial.
unless it's about kids and neither one of us speak to our exes.
And they're grown, they're older now.
So they're not as needy or we're not splitting custody anymore.
They're all right.
But for the while you were, like for those six years.
I mean, you had, and you're now marrying the guy that you left your husband for it.
And vice versa.
You know, I mean, his wife must have been like, what the fuck?
Like, I give you a free pass and you wind up going and having, you know, falling in love.
Yeah.
Obviously, they didn't have a good relationship?
No, from what I understand, I mean, she was, she didn't work.
He worked all the time was always having to be the breadwinner.
And I guess from what I understand, I mean, I'm just going by what I was told.
So their sex life wasn't great.
So that's why he was given the free pass by her.
Oh, okay.
To me, I kind of look back at some of these and I've met a lot of people.
A lot of people stay for kids.
Yeah.
And a lot of them have separate lives.
I guess like what my husband wanted me to have at the time, stay for the kids.
But sometimes it's not always best just to stay for the kids because then you're just living.
That's not teaching your kids anything either.
So, I mean, not what I did was right for.
Yeah, totally.
But I see I have a lot of friends that it's just easier to stay for the kids or finances and they'll just live like they live.
Yeah, there's a lot of reasons why people stay.
And a lot of times it's not for love.
It's sad but true.
Yeah. And both of our families outside of exes have accepted us. My family actually loves my new husband better.
Oh, wow.
Because when I married my first husband, both of my parents are like, you're too young. This isn't right. And of course, I was young and done one of my parents now.
Yeah.
So, yeah. So our families, both of us get along with our families and our exes, we only talk to if we have to, which is very rare now.
But yeah, so in the beginning when the kids were young, we had to meet, swap kids out, share custody.
My ex still traveled all the time, so my kids are with me more than they were with him.
Right. Cool. Okay. So now you wind up, I mean, you guys have like this instant connection.
It's not just about sex. You fall in love. You start a life together. Now, you're still, I mean, you're cheating and stuff, but that's still kind of vanilla. That happens in the vanilla world a lot, right?
When does Charlie start turning you on to this whole world of hot wiping?
Because that's a different kind of a thing.
It is.
It was, I'm going to say, because we've been married 11, 12 years.
Probably with the first year, after the first year, he brought it up.
And I had never watched porn with my ex-husband.
And Charlie comes along and we start watching porn.
And I'm just like, oh, dear God, like, what is happening here?
I just had the basic sex life.
And so we started doing that.
And then we would talk about it in things.
And then about a year, about a year to two years, that's when it started.
He would ask if I'd be interested in having us videoed.
And I was just like, I'm not sure.
My thing is I don't want anything on the internet.
Here, I'm the naive one.
I don't want all my pictures.
Like everybody's going to get my pictures.
I don't want all that.
He was like, no, we've,
find somebody we give them the at the time video cameras were still the thing and they give us back
the whatever that is the tape so it took a little bit it took a little convincing and we did we went to
some guy's house this first guy to me was a total creep and he probably was and he he owed us having
sex in his bedroom wow and that's kind of an interesting thing because listen I mean the first
thought of my mind is like why couldn't you just put a tripod up
and video it yourself.
I mean, so what you're really doing,
it's not about getting yourself on video.
What this whole setup was is having somebody watch too.
I mean, that's really what the kink was that you guys were going for
or that he was trying to get you to be like into.
Yes.
Wow.
And so the guy was a crazy.
To me he was and he was an old man.
Oh, my God.
Like never, the way I grew up, never a million years,
we're going to find somebody online.
It's like a video list.
fucking and I'm just like oh yeah so yeah and then we get home we can have our video and it has
no sound on it whatsoever. I gotta be kidding me. I just did all this. Oh my god that's so funny.
Yeah and there's no sound but could I ask you a question though about that? I mean the guy's creepy
and stuff and it's your first time it did it was it a turn on for you at all or was it was it just something
that you did for your husband at that point? No once at first it was just like I'm just doing this
for him. I was so nervous. Yeah.
But once I got into it, I was like, okay, this isn't so bad.
And I noticed how much it was turning my husband on.
So I was like, well, I can do this for him.
So even in that first time, you started to get into it is what you're saying.
Yes.
So then a little bit by and then slowly we would just find more people,
somebody else to video because we had to get a better video because ours didn't have sound.
And then we ended up finding a guy.
He wanted a guy to join us and I was like, I'm not real sure about that.
And here I am the naive one.
And so we, there was times when our kids were younger, we knew when you would not have any kids at our house.
They couldn't drive or anything.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And they were at the parents.
So we brought a guy over to video us in our house.
And he was video in us fucking.
And Charlie asked if I would suck him off.
And I stuck.
I was like, I can't believe I'm being asked us.
And I started getting into it.
And the more I started getting into it, the more fun I was having.
And I was like, okay, this isn't bad.
And I saw how much it was turning Charlie on and how excited he got and how much attention
he was given to me during it while doing it.
And so I started enjoying it because it was really making him happy.
So you like to watch him happy, but you did get turned on by seeing him turned on.
I mean, it's not just about him, right?
I mean, making him turn on his actually been turning you on as well.
So now did he tell you before, hey, listen, maybe we'll also bring the guy in,
or did he just bring it like on you in during that taping like, hey, you want to try blowing that guy?
Like, was that the first you heard of hooking up with another guy?
Or were you guys fan of anything about that?
He would mention it while we were talking about like, let's find another person.
And I'm just like, I don't know.
We'll see about that.
Right, right.
Okay.
We'll stand back.
And he's like, okay, well, we'll just see how it goes.
but he had always mentioned it to me.
Yeah, yeah.
So at least I wasn't ever just all of a sudden, you know, thrown into it.
But he would mention it to me.
But then I was like, okay, well, he's probably not going to bring it up while we're doing this because I wasn't real sure about it.
No, he was smart.
He did it while you were horny.
That's the time to ask.
Yeah.
And he knew from the beginning what I came from and that all this was new to me.
I was nervous.
I didn't even heard half of the stuff that goes on that I've, you know, heard about.
So, you know, I did at least respect that.
If I said no to something, he said,
okay, it's good. But he pushed it along. I mean, and you said that's the kind of guy Charlie is.
Charlie wants what he wants and he gets it and he's the more aggressive one. I mean, you're going with
it. You're not at a stranger guy's house by yourself. You're with your husband at the time, right?
You obviously feel comfortable and safe and protective. And it's not like you're forced to do anything, right?
Turning your partner on turns you on. That's the way it goes.
Yes. So you blow that guy that first time. That's the first thing that that's the first time.
you hooked up with another man in front of your guy, right?
Yes, it was.
And you liked it.
I did.
It was now, of course, some guys, we kept going, I'm like, some guys, I just can't, they smell, or I'm particular.
But, yeah, so I did.
And we kept, for a while, it just kept being, hooking up, them videoing us, me blowing them, and then it came, he's like, we would talk.
And he's like, well, what about you?
fucking another guy.
And I, of course, once again, I'm like, I'm not sure.
He knows you by now.
You can say I'm not sure, but he knows eventually he's going to get you.
Yeah, he does.
Yeah, he's figured me out.
Yeah.
And so it actually ended up being that same first guy just because.
The creep?
No, no, no.
Oh, the second one.
First one I gave a blow drop to.
Oh, okay.
It actually ended up being him that came over again just because you find
regulars that can at least come at the spare of the moment.
you don't have to spend time looking for them.
So he actually came over and that was the first time he ended up fucking another guy in front of my husband.
And how was that for you?
I will say the first time was very stressful because I was just like, and I guess in my head I couldn't believe I was doing this.
But then it also was fun because I was like, I'm doing this and my husband's enjoying it and I'm turning my husband on and I like doing that for my husband.
and he's just sitting there watching what's his role in these scenarios he's watching videoing and then
we would take turns he would take turns me fucking each other oh you mean you with him and you with
the other guy uh-huh okay now was there any participation with them two together at the same time
or it's always separate because someone's filming right no i mean i would want to be fucking me
i'd be sucking one off but i think that's called spick roasting yeah see i don't need to be
terms.
You're living the terms, though.
You're better than me.
I only know the terms.
So, okay, go on.
Yeah, so that's, I guess, where the first one started.
And I guess over time, he would come back just because he was a regular and he was
someone that we could call at the spare of the moment if the kids were gone.
And then Charlie would start trying to find others because he would want different ones or
not the same one every time.
So over time, we just kept finding more and it started becoming a regular thing for us and I enjoyed it.
I've always been one of these wives.
I work out five days a week.
I want my husband to be proud of how I look and I take that very personal.
So it was fun to me knowing that I turned my husband on.
I work hard for how I look and he enjoyed watching me fuck other guys.
Right.
And you like that putting on that show.
That's a part of what turns you on.
That's your love language, so to speak.
Yeah, and a lot of guys, I'm sure can lie, but they would sit there and tell him or me, you know, oh, my gosh, you look great.
You work out so much.
So whether they're lying or not, it made me feel good.
You know, I was always self-confidence.
My ex-husband, you know, I didn't do all that.
I didn't wear the cute clothes.
I was like cover-up type of thing.
He never wore bikinis.
And now I can express that and I enjoy that.
I work hard for what I have at my aim.
Yeah, that's great.
Because, listen, I mean, I lift weights.
I go to the gym a lot and stuff.
And it is hard work, right?
And you were doing that even when you were with your ex-husband,
but he just never really noticed or you didn't put that up.
I wasn't as hardcore as I am now.
I, like, ran, did small weights, did some classes.
But now I'm, I guess a heavy weight lifter.
Yeah, that's great.
I remember your pictures.
You're very fit.
People love your pictures.
You could send me more for my Patreon because he sent me ones in a view last time.
I mean, you guys do have an only fan.
You eventually start putting stuff on an only fan so people could see you there too as well.
So it's not like he was showing you off for no reason.
Oh, no, no.
But you like that.
I mean, and there's nothing wrong with that.
No.
So that's where.
And then, of course, as our kids got older and drove, it's very hard to make sure somebody's not going to be dropping it the last minute or while we're getting off on the couch or something.
So that it has become very difficult.
So then trying to find people that can host or.
a lot of people get hotels, but then that makes me literally like what kind of hotel are you getting.
So then we could offer to pay, but then are you going to show up type of thing?
So we have done some hotels.
We've done other people's houses.
So now that our kids are older and we're trying to get them all, we got one left that kind of comes here and there.
We're having to find places or people that can host.
Now let me ask you this.
In the beginning, were you guys using like Craigslist?
Is that what you said to find people?
Yes, Craigslist.
And how do you find them now?
because so many things change.
Are you on like all the apps to find like these other guys and stuff?
We're on the SDC.
STC.
Yeah.
Uh-huh.
Yes.
And then we use double listed sometimes.
Mm-hmm.
And now is it always only strictly guys?
I mean, do you ever bring women in?
Have you ever done couples?
So we've done couples.
It's more soft swap.
I will tell you that and Charlie knows this and he has not pushed it.
But I am not for my husband fucking another one.
That's definitely not something you're into.
No, and he's known that and he's never pushed it or if we're with a couple, he has not brought that up.
Like before he would, you know, how about blowing this guy?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But no, I'm not, we've had soft swap, but I, he knows up front, I'm not for him fucking another woman.
And what is considered a soft swap to you?
Like, you don't mind him, like fondling her breasts or something?
Like, what has gone down?
Yeah, and another girl has given him blow job.
And then we've fucked.
the same room with another couple.
So it's more of like that little exhibitionist thing where you're...
Yes.
Did you guys ever...
And then we did have another couple here and she, I don't know,
it's sort of what you call, but she didn't get involved at all.
She was just, she just was one who watched.
She said that up front.
She doesn't get involved.
She just watches.
So she likes, though, she's the opposite of you in that you don't like to see your husband.
She does like to see her husband.
So that's what went down with them.
Like you met them and you just did the husband while she watched.
Yes. Oh, interesting. Mm-hmm. And your husband got involved too just with you maybe at that time. Yeah, he did. Yeah. And now, did you enjoy that? Completely closed. Yeah, I'm sorry. Oh, interesting. Yeah, she did. She said completely closed. And to me, that was kind of awkward. I was like, okay. But, you know, everybody's different. And I respect whatever, because I expect people respect me. So that's her choice and that's fine. Yeah, that was her kink. Maybe, you don't know. Maybe it was all about what happened afterwards when that, what she was watching for sure. Yeah. Yeah.
And now, so what do you look for in guys?
I mean, are you like pretty particular?
Like you said, I don't want a guy that smells.
I don't want, like, what is that guy that you like?
It's hard when you're picking them to know what they're going to smell like.
But as long as I don't really care, it loses their clean cut looking.
It really doesn't bother me.
But I mean, when you.
Because he's like, what are you looking for?
Young, old.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I'm just like, I just want somebody can fuck good.
I like to fuck.
And if they can fuck good.
Now I've had bad fucks.
people that just
I'm like, okay, let's not call him again.
What's a bad?
But you don't know until you get there.
So a lot of times you're just in the situation
and you don't know until after you fuck.
Now do you have a preference in size?
Does it matter to you?
Well, I would say the bigger ones are longer,
but if they get too long,
then it starts hurting in some positions.
So I'm just not the real small.
But I guess a lot of people care.
but I'm just like as long as you can fuck good
because you can have a small dick and still
fuck like hell. So I'm just
as long as you can fuck good, I'll fuck.
Well, besides the fact that you don't like to see your guy
with another girl, are there any kind of boundaries
or rules or regulations you guys have going in?
Sometimes people have a no kissing rule or, you know.
Yeah, we have no kissing rule and no anal.
Oh, okay. Now, do you ever play solo?
I mean, is Charlie into that, like you going and coming?
Or he always has to be there?
He always has to be there.
Every now and then he's mentioned it, and I just said, no, I feel uncomfortable.
This day and age, I have no idea what this world is going to do.
So I just, for my safety, I just feel like I'd rather him be there.
Right.
He would be down for it, though.
That's something that he would be cool with, but you just always want him there just for safety reasons, right?
Yes.
Mm-hmm.
And is it also for a turn on?
Because that's a big part of it for you to see him.
Well, yeah, and that's what I tell him to.
I'm doing this for him.
I mean, I do enjoy it, but it's for him.
So for me going over there, I'd rather just fuck my own husband.
So I do this for him.
It's a show for him.
And I want him there.
Even though he said he would let me go along.
Some guys have asked, and he's like, no, it's always with me.
So I don't know in the back of his mind if that's really what he wants.
Interesting.
Now, do you find, to your surprise, that this has improved your sex life?
People talk about the reclaiming.
sex and how amazing it is.
I mean, we've had a great sex life since we got married, but I would say it's even gotten
better.
And a lot of times, if it's not like a, we're somewhere and it's not a guy that can fuck real great,
we'll come home and we'll just have amazing sex because I'm like, oh my God, that guy was
awful.
Like, I need something now.
But yeah, I feel we have a great sex life.
Yeah.
And I talk to a lot of my friends, of course, none of our friends know about this, but just, you know,
girls talking stuff and the friends of mine like we have no sex in six months I'm like oh my god like
how are you surviving yeah well the problem is and I'm sure you know this because you were married before
I feel like sex is the type of thing where if you're having it you want it more and if you're going
longer without it you want it less so you must be like hornier than you've ever been because
you're getting a lot of deck that's right yeah so I feel that we have a great relationship and we're
very intimate even if we're not having sex. We're always holding hands. They're always
kissing on each other. So I feel that also helps. Yeah. And now, were you nervous in the
beginning? Because I think a lot of times there's a couple different thing that a woman thinks
if her husband brings us to the table. Like one is that you're doing this because you just want to
go fuck other girls. And the second thing is like, oh, are you going to do it and then feel differently
about me? Because there is that Madonna horror complex, right? As women, we know that it's like
guys have this sort of double standard, right, when it comes to women.
Like, God forbid they see you like getting fucked by a bunch of guys.
Will his opinion of me change?
Did you have any of those feelings in the beginning?
Yeah.
First of all, I was nervous as hell because I was like, I couldn't believe I was even agreeing to something like this.
But yes, I 100% thought that he would just want to start fucking other girls.
And this was just the beginning to try to get him to be able to do that.
And then I also, I'm still very self-conscious about my body.
So I always write about what people think of me when I'm not dressed.
So, or in a swimsuit.
So undress me in front of it, some total stranger.
I'm like, this guy's completely judging me.
And I look like crap.
And so that always made me nervous.
It still does.
Interesting.
But it also at the same time makes you feel better about yourself because you're getting the approval.
It does.
Yeah.
So it's kind of an odd.
And then I still, even to this day,
get nervous. We went to some guy there day, some new guy. And I think the, until I get there and know
what the guy is about and what their place looks like, I'm a complete nervous wreck. Yeah, I get that.
Do you prefer to have guys that you know? Do you like one-offs more? Like, do you like the variety
to, or is it really Charlie that likes the variety? Charlie, we have a couple of regulars and they're good.
Yeah. But he likes the variety. He likes getting new people, new video, just different. If you're
say with the regulars, they do pretty much the same things all the time. And a lot of the regulars,
they're just wanting to get off. So a lot of times they're fast and they're like, hey, thanks.
So, yeah, he does like variety and just getting different videos. Yeah. Now, can you, when you think
back to your old vanilla life and like your life now, could you ever imagine not living like this? I mean,
if it all went away tomorrow, would you be just totally fine with it? It's like all just for Charlie? Or was it
something that you, now that you've experienced it, you are totally into it and would never
go back to just being with one person. No, I could, I've told Charlie a hundred times that if he
said tomorrow we were done with this life, I, I'm completely fine because of our relationship
that him and I have. Right. We had it before I became, I guess, the hot wife. And I feel
that we would be just as fine if he said tomorrow we're done. And with our, with our children,
And there was times we went eight, nine months where we couldn't even hook up with anybody.
Right.
And you were totally full.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it's not like we do this all the time, three or four times a week.
I mean, it's hard to find people nowadays and then find somebody it can host.
Yeah, yeah, I can imagine.
And then do you get, like, is there a part of, because there's a lot of videotaping going on right from the beginning in your guy's relationship.
That was a part of it.
Do you find that you have a little bit of an exhibitionist?
And you do like the fact that you not only.
could see now you're putting it online on an only fans and having people watch, correct?
Yes.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, I do because, I mean, I don't think I'm the best.
I don't know.
I mean, I do.
I think it makes me feel good putting on a show.
Now whether I put on a good show, I don't know.
I enjoy it.
But do you enjoy the feedback that you get?
I mean, do you get a lot of feedback?
Is that a part of it for you?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
It always makes me to probably any woman when some guy, even some of the, I guess,
wives or girls that see the videos. Oh my gosh, your body looks so great. You must work hard for that.
Because I'm sure there's a lot, I have a lot of friends that think I wake up and just look like this.
And I bust my ass off for it. So it's nice when people actually compliment and yeah.
And say, wow, you look amazing. I mean, it makes me feel good. It makes me. And I think just because how I was
raised and how I was brought up, that self-conscious about my body.
Yeah. So I always tried to tell people because I was always lifting weights even when I was like in my
early 20s and nobody was at that time all the girls now in the back of the gym there's tons of
girls now but when I used to work out with guys in the back and did weights there was never any girls
around forever I was like why did girls not get the memo like this is what you need to do to have a good
body they were all like on the treadmill for 45 minutes not one girl was in the back with me now
every girl is in the back it's like it they finally got the memo they finally got it and it's the reason
why I still have a good body in my 50s because I did work out with weights I mean there there is a
reason why you do that and that's the best way to work
out, but I would always try to tell people, like, if you see a woman with muscles in her arms or
in her legs, like, you don't understand how much she has to work to get that. I mean, the fact that
a woman would think, oh, I'm going to lift weights, I'm going to look like a man. It's like,
you wish you could look like a man by lifting weights. I mean, it takes so much work to get even a
tiny bit of a bump on there and get that tone and that muscle builds. As women, we're not loaded
with testosterone. So it's really hard work. So I always admire or appreciate that.
or and respect the work that goes into a woman with a good body because you don't you just you just
it takes a lot of work you can't just have that you know I mean I think some people that did a lot of
gymnastics or a lot of swimming when they were younger very hardcore into sports sometimes hold that
muscle in certain cultures I think like white women know but you know there's other cultures where
they have more muscle tone naturally but it's it's hard work and it is nice to be appreciated because
most people don't fucking get it unless they do it no they don't they know so
Yeah. So I enjoy the feedback and the compliments that come with it.
Yeah. So when you, when you're like, whose decision was it to start at OnlyFens and go out with these videos and stuff?
It was my husband's. But everything he's like our SDC and the Twitters and all that. I'm involved in everything. So I can get on. It's not like he's set this up and I can't see any. I don't know passwords. I can get on it all the time and look and see what people are saying or comment.
Of course. He's always like the driving.
factor, but it's not like you're not included. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's okay. Like,
that makes you guys a good team. He does the stuff that you're not really that interested in,
but it's not like you're not doing this together. You really are a team doing it together.
Right. And then he'll say, here's the pictures I'm going to post or here's the videos. What do you think?
And, of course, I always critique everything. So I'll tell which ones. But yeah, so, no,
we're both involved in it. And so when you started that, I mean, were you leery about it? Were you
afraid? Because, listen, like you said, nobody in your life knows what you're doing. I mean,
did you have some reservations about taking this and putting it online and creating that only
fans like yes i of course i still do just because of where i work out it's in our area i'm very known
so i have to be real careful there but then i'm still always leery about the internet it's out there
and of course we blur faces and all that but it's out there okay yeah so yeah so that i mean
it always makes me leery in the back of my mind that i just i guess try to tune it out as long as i
run into somebody I know but I mean are you taping like because I think the the okay you're taking your
faces out right but like the other thing that could get you in trouble is if like you're doing it in
your house or something and somebody notice wait a second like that's my aunt's house you know what I mean
like that's the Christmas tree she had up when I was just over her house you know that those kind
of things you got to hide I'll always if somebody's ever recognized us they haven't said hey I've seen y'all
I own you fan so that's always in the back of my mind though but yeah but are you
filming like so where do you feel do you film like and so what do people see like is it you with other
guys always is it you with your husband is it all of the above all of the above some videos well yeah
some of the pictures are just me by myself the videos or me with other guys me and my husband me with
both of them and right now it's mainly been at other people's just because we can't host right now
uh-huh but if we do host we have a game room upstairs that most of our when friends come over they
don't ever go up there so most wouldn't even know what's up there so now so now
Now, have you ever done more than one guy at the same time?
Yeah.
Most I've done is five.
Oh, wow.
Like, as if that's not a lot.
Well, I don't know if that is or not.
It is.
Okay.
I think that might be called gang bang.
Yeah, we've done a few of those.
He found somebody and they brought, there was four of them and then my husband.
And how was that for you?
It was good.
I would say it was a lot of fun because I had all different ranges.
I had different ages, different sizes.
One was like a 19-year-old who thought, you know, he was just going to fuck forever and couldn't.
So it was a lot of fun.
It wasn't all just one.
I had a range.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's interesting.
How long did those gangbangs last?
Like, how many hours?
That one, gosh, that was the first one we did.
It was at his place.
With the 19-year-old?
Yeah, and then some of the older guys.
it was probably about an hour, hour and a half.
Wow.
Now, it was funny when I talked to this woman recently, Lily Spark, she started like a porn site
when it's like porn for women more.
And it was interesting because she said that one of the biggest things that women look
for like categories and porn are gangbanks.
I was like, oh, that's interesting.
You know, when I get.
Because I know guys like that.
You know, I didn't realize that's like a fantasy for girls too.
Yeah.
They're harder to set up to try to get that many.
guys at one place at one time.
So if unless a guy has a lot of friends that are into it too.
Lately, the few we've done were like with three plus my husband so forth.
Yeah.
We did one at a hotel.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Wow.
That's so funny.
I always wonder if the people at the hotel must know what's going on.
I always wonder that too.
Don't you think?
I mean, I know.
I mean, because a lot of the ones that we've never been to one, but the ones where they
run out like the whole floor.
Yeah.
I'm like, they have to know what's going on.
Now, do you guys get involved in the lifestyle at all, like, outside?
I mean, it sounds like you're doing all this stuff when yourself.
Like, are you, do you ever, have you ever gone to a swingers club or any kind of parties like that?
We went to one hotel party and it was not my scene at all.
The people were, it was very different to me.
I don't know what I was expecting, but there were some when they weren't fucking there
in like footed rabbit pajamas.
What kind of pajama?
Like your little kids used to wear.
they zip up.
Yeah.
Yeah.
She had those on with like rabbit ears on them.
But it wasn't like attractive.
It was like a theme night.
Maybe it was like a pajama night.
PJ night.
I don't know.
Because they have themes.
It was just very odd.
And they would fucking and sit down and eat some cheese and crackers.
And I'm like, okay, this isn't my theme.
So we stayed a little.
Oh my God.
That's so funny.
Yeah.
And I fucked a couple guys there.
and then him and I both said, let's go.
It wasn't, I guess, the type of people we would be with.
They were just very different.
So that was only one we've done other than just setting up ourselves.
So you tried it, but it just wasn't for you.
I can't make up that.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think that some people, they would love that kind of social aspect of it.
When I hear it from your standpoint, I'm like, oh, I'm right there with you.
I would think that that's weird too.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Doing it and then eating cheese and then I don't know.
in the outfits. It's not my thing either, but I think everybody rolls a little different. So
that's probably just not the place for you. Yeah, totally. I think some people are more social.
That's more of a social environment. Some people love those kind of hotel takeovers and they prefer that
than hooking up with people because for them that what you're doing is a little weird because they
don't know someone. All that stress that you feel like meeting the new guys. I'm not a big crowd,
like having to sit and talk and all that. So I don't know necessarily those.
Some of those people, I think they may be friends.
There was people that just hang out all the time and fuck all the time.
And maybe that was their group.
And I'm not really out there to make friends.
Yeah, it's a whole world.
And some people are into getting really involved in that kind of a thing.
And some people aren't.
Yeah, I prefer to have my friends separate.
Can you, like, recall the hottest time for you or what you prefer?
Give me a couple stories before we end?
Like story that stands out as, like, the best one, or what is the stuff that you like the most?
I mean, so we've had some.
If I'm going to go through all this and get dry, shower, shaving, and everything, like, I want to be fun and last a while.
Yeah.
And so mine are the ones that can actually fuck good.
We went to one there and I, he didn't even lick pussy.
And I'm like, okay, what is this?
And we were gone within like 10 minutes.
And I was like, this was a complete waste of time.
I want to, if I'm doing this, I want to be fun for everybody.
I want to enjoy it.
I want to feel good.
And to me, you can sometimes talk to the guys that just need to get off or it versus other guys that are into it, too.
So you want a foreplay, you want them to go down on you, like you want it to be a whole thing, right?
You're not just a quick, a quickie.
You could have that at home with your husband, like you said, right?
Oh, yeah.
I mean, do you do that's interesting?
And do you find that a lot of guys can perform or don't?
Like, it's more often that you get exactly what you're looking for?
I would say some of the older men can, the younger guys that think they can fuck forever can't.
So a lot of times the younger guys, they just want to get off.
we have one guy that he'll call and he just wants to get off and I know that's what he wants
we go over there and within 20 minutes we're gone but sometimes you'll do that that's okay for you
oh yeah yeah I mean he's a good fuck so I mean I'm like okay I'll do you know it's if he were bad
I'd be like yeah we're not doing this but you know he's good but he's just not one of those long
golers now do you know like what the demographics are of the guys coming besides age
do you know if these guys are married or not do you ask those questions do you not care no I have no
idea except for the ones that there have been a few that say I'm married this is very discreet so I do
there have been a few that said that other than that I have no idea and I don't want to know right right right
it's not about that now do you I mean when you are when you're having these hookups now that you
have an only friend's like do you let them know it's going to be taped what's the deal with that
or do you have specific people that you work with for that no we let them know up front that
well we ask them if they're going to and there's some that say I know I'm sorry I can't do that
and then that's fine.
But others, we tell them at front,
and then we do let them know their faces are blurred.
And then Charlie will sometimes send him a small clip of what he taped,
showing them this is what we taped,
and we're going to post it.
And so they get to say yes or no kind of thing.
Yeah, but a lot of them at front,
because he tells them ahead of time,
we're doing this, we want to tape it.
And a lot of times at front,
they say yes or no before we even go meet.
But you'll still meet people that won't tape
because you just like them.
I mean, you're not just doing it.
It's because a lot of times sometimes like once in a while I won't have someone on,
they have an only fan's, be like, oh, another person with the only fans.
Because I think some people are still attached to the past as if someone that's doing this
or doing it just for the money.
Now everyone has it.
Okay, sorry.
Like, it's hard to find someone that doesn't have an only fan.
There's too much to keep up with.
Yeah.
But it is what it is.
Anyone now can go online and do whatever.
And so a lot of people are doing it, but it doesn't necessarily mean that people are
doing it just for the money.
I mean, you guys were doing this way before you do.
decided to do OnlyFans. You guys have been doing this for fun, for free, in your own private life,
since Craigslist was around. Okay, so I know how long that was ago, okay? Because that's what I used
Craigslist for my show. That was many years ago. Way before you could do OnlyFans. You're not a
girl. That's a hot wife for any other reason than this is something that you're doing with your
husband. And OnlyFans is like a why not, why not kind of thing, right? And we go out so many times
and not video, Charlie would be like, he looks like a decent person or he has a couple of guys
It can do it too.
Let's just go.
And we do them.
We don't video.
And that's fine.
We have a good time.
It doesn't always have to be videoed.
Yeah.
That's great.
So listen, Lucy.
I love this story.
People love to hear the woman's side of things.
Like I said, I don't even remember Charlie's episode.
But I love your story.
Even if it wasn't with Charlie, it's super interesting for a vanilla, like a very vanilla.
Oh, yes.
I was very.
Like very vanilla.
Soccer mom.
Stay at home.
Girl.
I was.
And now, I mean, look at what you're doing.
having gang bangs and stuff and you still sound like a, but like you talk like a vanilla girl.
I do. That's what I was, when Charlie asked me to do this, I'm like, I'm not going to be able to
sound like all the other people because I still, nobody would ever guess what I do.
If they found out, they'd be completely shot because I'm the most vanilla person.
Yeah, but I think that that's part of your appeal, don't you think?
Lucy, I mean, I think that's how you pitch yourself and I think that's what people are going to
really love about the story because you're still, you're having gang bangs, you're doing this
bit roasting.
You don't even know, you don't even know the terms.
But like I said, you're not, but you're living it.
And so I think that that's like the perfect girl, whatever guy wants, the one that presents as the soccer mom.
But we went behind closed doors.
Oh my goodness.
Look what Lucy is doing.
So I think guys are going to love this episode because you're that way.
You know what I mean?
And weren't that explicit or whatever.
It kind of adds to it.
Send me more picks for my Patreon.
This is the thing now.
I didn't have it when your guy called in, when Charlie called.
in but what I have now is a discord attached to my Patreon so you'll send me some like just
like sexy picks like R rated for my Patreon for me that's what I put like R rated stuff but if you
want to then go on because you call into my show you'll get into my discord for free you could do
anything on there so you could post like clips of your only fans to get people over and there's over
a thousand people on there and that's where you could like introduce yourself on lucy charlie could
go in because he does everything and be like hey my wife lucy look at a thing of her come to my
you could promote your only fans, you could post your X-rated stuff there, okay?
And I'll give you guys free access to that.
So listen, Lucy, thank you so much for calling in.
Like I said, I love this story.
I know my listeners are going to love it.
Why don't you give a shout out to everything, like your Twitter and stuff?
I will put a link.
Do you have like a link tree, one link thing?
Or do you want me to put your only fans up?
Like, what do you want me to put up?
Well, I have my sites that I have.
I don't know how to do a one link tree.
Okay, that's fine.
So just give a shout out now and then I'll put links in the description for
you. Okay. Texas Lucy is our only fans. Um, Texas Lucy XXX is our Twitter. And Lucy and I
289 is our SDC. Okay. Awesome. So I'll put all those. I'll follow you on Twitter and make sure
to tag you over there when I promote your episode. It's going to be up ASAP. Send me the picks.
People could see you over on Patreon. You're going to send me some sexy picks over there. And then
you'll also be in my Discord. But, and tell Charlie, for, thank you for. Thank you.
hooking this up because I'm sure he told you to come on the show.
Yes, he did.
Yeah, yeah, it's awesome.
But thanks so much for calling in, Lucy.
It's going to be a great episode.
And it'll be up on Monday.
So get ready to have some lots of new followers.
All right.
Thank you.
Thanks, Lucy.
Bye.
Bye.
Okay, I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly
Anonymous Confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers, is now available not only in
paperback and ebook, but you can pre-order.
the audio book. It's still not going to be out until August 25th, but you can pre-order it. The book is
basically 17 different stories taken from my show. I kind of picked one story from each category
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cuck story. There's a gang being girl story. Like I said, 17 stories. And they're all
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penthouse letters. It's more direct. It's not so over the top like erotica. I don't really like
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It's available in eback format, paperback format, and finally, the audiobook is.
available coming out August 25th, but you could pre-order it now. And if you buy my book in any format
or pre-order it, I will throw in a complimentary link to my Discord. My Discord does not disappoint.
Okay. There's no way you get into my Discord any other way than getting the link from me.
Okay. I give it to people who buy my book. There's tons of people in there. Everybody shares content
with each other. And that's what you get to do there. You could post your own pictures and videos.
There's tons of channels.
We have lots of contests where you can win a lot of money.
It's a super fun place to be.
It's a total strictly anonymous community and you will love it.
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It's private, like I said.
All you got to do is email me a screenshot of your purchase, whether you did the audio book,
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Send it to me at Strictly Anonymous Podcast at gmail.com.
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