Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 694 - FETISH FRIDAY: John is Into Wearing Panties and Hookng-up with Guys

Episode Date: September 22, 2023

John is an exhibitionist who is into wearing panties and hooking up with men and he called in to talk all about it. When did he realize he was into parties? When did he stat wearing them? And, when did he realize he was into hooking up with guys while wearing them? Tune in to hear all the detail including how and when he started going to gloryholes and what he was down to do there at first, when he realized he was an exhibitionist and how that led to him being into guys watching him wear panties, where he got his panties from at first and where he gets them from now, how he started receiving oral only at first , how and when he started giving oral and exactly what went down the first time, how and why he doesn’t consider himself into guys but is into them while wearing panties, how he went to a gay sauna one night and the threesome he had with two other guys,how he went on to Snapchat and why he enjoys doing with his online hook ups, exactly what he enjoys doing with the guys he meets up with in person, how and why most guys are more into giving bjs as opposed to receiving them, what he looks for in a guy, how getting caught and or being seen is a turn on for him, how he is more into women and doesn’t consider himself into men, how he is into being slutty and feeling slutty when dressed, how he has tried lingerie and stockings as well plus a whole lot more. To see anonymous pics of my JON'S PANTIES STASH + see anonymous pics of my female guests + get extra exclusive CROSSDRESSER and Hoser episodes/content + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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So it's a really good deal. Patreon.com slash trickling on his podcast. The links to that is in the description. Today I have on John. I love John's story. He's interesting. He's a 31-year-old guy. He's still super young.

And when he was around 18, he started doing crazy things. This is the guy that currently likes to wear panties. And when he's wearing panties, he likes to blow guys. And it's not like he was typical, like a lot of my other guys that are into panties fetish, where he was stealing his mom's panties when he was really little or realized he was into panties when he was like seven years old. I mean, he didn't realize this until he was around 18. So around he's 18, he's just like a super horny guy. and he decides to like go to a glory hole.

Okay, that was his first experience. Go to a glory hole and get his like dick sucked. He did know it was going to be a guy and he had that experience and he loved it. And he talks all about that. And then around that same time, like he explains the situation that happened where his girl just left some panties on the floor and he picked them up because they looked super hot to him. And he put him on and he like fucking loved it. So they went back to the glory hole that time with that on. and he realized he liked being watched and being seen wearing the panties.

He's got a very slutty side to him. He likes people to see him in the panties. He was getting blown at first, but then eventually he blew somebody. The first time he blew somebody, it's a really interesting story. You'll hear that he talks about that. And then after he blew someone once, he really got into it. And that's what he prefers now to wear his panties, get in touch with the feminines part of him, and suck a dick.

He likes to be kind of slutty. He did the glory whole thing, and then he stopped for a little while. He did some online stuff. He talks about he once went to a gay sauna and hooked up with two guys. He talks about that experience and details. He does very much have an exhibitionist side in him. When I asked him the question, did you ever get caught? That turned into a whole conversation about how he loves kind of people seeing him wearing, seeing him buying.

he likes getting caught, not by people that he knows, but being out in public. He's super naughty. He's one of those guys that is, I really like women. He's very attracted to women. He's not attracted to guys, but when he's wearing panties, he's in that situation and he feels feminine, that's when he's interested in having a dick in his mouth. He does talk about how other things beyond Blow Jobs has presented itself to him with guys. He talks about what. He talks about whether he's done it or not, all that kind of good stuff. He talks about the kind of panties he likes, why he likes being slutty and all that. So anyway, he did something in a picture of his panties stash.

Okay, so that is over on my Patreon. Patreon.com slash strictly anonymous podcast. The link is in the description. But anyway, I'm going to be right back on with John. Hi, John. Welcome to the strictly anonymous podcast. How are you today? Hi, Kathy.

I'm good. Thanks. How are you? I'm good. You're calling from someplace else other than the United States. I love when people call in from other places because I'm always obsessed with the accents. Can I ask you a question? Like people in other places, are they obsessed with the American accent or is it so uninteresting to you guys? Because it's uninteresting to me. I think it's a case by case basis, I think.

It's uninteresting. I'm just fucking right. Yeah. Like Australian accents are great, British accents, but American is so lame and boring. I don't know. I was just wondering if it's just the fact that it's not the same that everyone's interested. So listen, John, the deal is you were into pantyhose. You love wearing, not pantyhose, sorry, panties. You like wear j-strings, panties. You also hook up with dudes, glory holes, that kind of situations while wearing. You play online. You've had massages with men, blah, blah, blah, right? It's all that kind of good stuff. Where I like to typically start with the fetish episodes is like really early on in the beginning. When did you, when did you? you realize, and typically it's very young, but sometimes it's not. You know, when did you really realize that you were into panties?

Yeah, so obviously I've listened to lots of your shows and the other guys on there that are into panties and pantyhoes and that sort of thing. They do discover it quite young. I guess I was a bit different. I never really was into that or knew I was into that, I guess, until about 18. So obviously left school, left home, not living at home with the. parents anymore. And 18-year-old guy, I think you can imagine, very horny all the time and that sort of thing. And this was a few years ago now. So I'm not really sure how it happened. It was a

website or something of the sorts where one afternoon or late night I was on there and just scouring the deep, deep web, I guess, and then came across this site where they said there was a glory hole, like sort of really close to where I live. Well, there was two actually, really close to where I lived and 18-year-old guy couldn't get laid that sort of thing i decided to head there the next day so i went there nervous as hell it was in in the back of a sex shop went went in there got changed changed my cash for some coins into these little booths didn't really know what to do sort of went inside and and started watching some porn and then these two little fingers come through the hole and like that's sort of what i've what i'd read that is the signal to put your copy

through the hole. Uh-huh. So I did. And that was probably the first time I got sucked by a guy. I didn't know it was a guy, but I assumed that it was a guy. And yeah, I mean, that was like amazing. It was like the best blow job I've ever had. Not that I'd had hundreds by the time I was 18, but it was amazing.

Yeah, interesting. Now, you knew, though, it's not like you're playing dumb here. You knew going in there that 100% of the time on the other side, there is going to be a guy. and this is going to be a guy on guy experience, correct? Or were you a little naive because you're only 18 and you never been that maybe it'll be a girl? I don't know. No, I knew. Okay, okay.

Now, did you ever know? Because I was really asking you to go back and tell me like when you realize you were into panties. But this is like when you realize you were into dudes. So before 18, no sign that you were into panties as well as no sign that you were into guys at all before then? Well, no, not really. So I guess that was the back story. And I'll probably miss a bit. But when I was in that booth, I knew there was someone, a guy in the booth next to me.

And I could sort of feel him watching me through the hole. And I really liked, I was completely naked in there. And I really liked being watched as well. So after that experience, that leads me on to where I got into the pannings, I guess. I was sort of seeing this girl. And she'd left one of her Lacey G-strings at my. my house and then the next time I went, I just decided to wear that. I don't know why. It just, just decided to wear it. And I really wanted to be seen wearing it. And that was the best

place for it. So the next time I went, I stripped down to everything but that. And I could feel someone watching me through the hole and they actually watched a bit longer until before they put their fingers through for the signal, I guess. And yeah, that felt, that felt really hot. Wow. So you see her panties on the floor. And you don't even know why, but you think to yourself, like, out of the blue, I want to put those on and wear them. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. Like, I saw them there. I'm really horny. They were super sexy, super sexy, like stringy, really small, tight. Yeah. And then just as soon as I put them on, I just felt like more horny than I've been ever at that stage. And I really wanted someone to see me in them, right? Right, because you already knew because of that first experience, that.

that something about being seen was super hot too, correct, to you already? Like you realize you're a little bit of an exhibitionist, maybe. Yeah, so at that time, I didn't even know what an exhibitionist was, but yeah. You sound like one. I think everyone has a little bit of both exhibitionist voyeur in them, maybe, right? And sometimes you don't know until you're in the experience. I went to a nude beach with a guy boyfriend of mine when I was younger, and that was the first time I was ever, like, naked in front of people.

And there was something hot about being naked. outside in front of people. And I didn't know that until I was in the experience, right? So I think sometimes you wouldn't know unless you've been there, done that. Yeah, exactly right. Exactly right. So when you went with the panties on and the guy is speaking through, was that it took it up a notch for you? Yeah, 100%. I could tell that he was watching me and I'm just wearing them and stroking, I guess. And then, yeah, it was just, it was awesome. And I was like, oh my God, I'm 18. And this is like totally new to me and like you say i didn't realize i was an exhibitionist and then yeah it was just so hot oh my god now you're wearing panties were you confused at all or just so

fucking horny that you didn't care sounds like you were so fucking horny you didn't care pretty much like at that stage you know i would have i would have opened the booth door and let anyone see me but yeah i mean obviously there was much confusion around that time of my life yeah Yeah, I mean, because there you are a guy who had only been with women, never realized you were into guys or panties, and now you're really up in your game. So do you just become like a regular at the glory hall? I guess so, yeah. I mean, from being online and having passed the place, I could always see those people in there. So I wouldn't say I was the most regular.

But you kept going, is what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, kept going, yeah, for sure. And then so you're doing this behind your girlfriend. back. So you're technically cheating, correct? Like living a double life? Yeah. Yeah. And let me just fast forward real quick to right now. Are you in a relationship now? Are you still living a secret life? I mean, we're going to go back to where we left off. But I'm just wondering like currently is, are you still living a secret life and doing this kind of stuff behind a woman's back? No, not at the moment. I mean, I see girls here

and there, but nothing serious as yet. Okay. So you're not tied up or in a relationship. or anything like that. So you're single, so you could do whatever you want. Okay, cool. So at that time, do you continue to keep using your girls' panties? Yeah, so I do.

I kept that pair for a long time, and I really loved wearing it and wearing it to the glory hole. Yeah. So I used to keep, like you say, became a bit of a regular, and I'll go in there, and they had the back entrance or a front entrance.

So when I would go through the front entrance, obviously it was a sex shop, as well, right? And the booths were out the back. And they would have all the laundering and panties and that and stuff there. So one time I'm wandering through and I'm getting my cash change for coins and I see the panties and I just decide to wander over and have a bit of a browse, I guess, and bought a couple of pairs at the counter and then just walked down to the booth and stripped off and put them on. So that's when I started sort of owning my own pairs, I guess. Having your own panty stash.

Yeah, correct. Yeah. And so now at this point, are you living on your own so it's easy to hide it? No, at that point, I lived in a sharehouse with some friends for three or four years. You never got busted, did you? No, never been busted, not unintentionally, no. And I feel like a guy, listen, if you got a bunch of hot panties in your drawer, you could always be like, oh, I steal these from the girls I fuck or something. I mean, you could kind of lie about it.

Most people would 100% or 99% believe more so that those are from girls than they are you wearing them. Yeah. Yeah, that would be more than true for where I was at in my life. Then, do you know what I mean? If that ever happened. Yeah. Nobody would believe that you were wearing them. You could easily just be like, oh, these are left over from girls.

I love them. They're so fucking hot. So wait. So now when you're doing this and guys are blowing you, did you ever? turn around and put your finger inside and say come here put your dick in and you sucked a dick i mean did that ever happen so i thought about that every time i every time i went yeah i'm sitting there completely naked yeah from like a lacy little thong or something like that and and i thought about it every time but what i don't know it was situational so the guys were probably before i could bring up

the courage to do it they were putting their fingers through right Don't get me wrong. It did eventually happen, but it took about a year, I'd say, a year or even a little bit longer. I went in there, into the shop one day, and it was sort of like just before closing time, I guess, and I see the guy behind the counter and I change my cash for the coins. I walk into the booth. I close it. I realize all the other booths, you know, are empty, so I'm a bit disappointed.

I'm thinking, oh, God, you know, I've waited too long and it's just about to close. Yeah. And then I hear him close up the shop, and he's sort of. walks, I hear him walking down into the booth next to me. I thought, oh, cool, I'm going to get my dick sucked. Yeah. And then he closes the booth and then he, he just puts his cock through. The guy that you just bought from, the guy that works there? Yeah. Oh my God, that's fucking hilarious. Okay, so you put it in and you went for it? Yeah, basically. So I've never done it before. I was nervous as shit. And then, yeah, so I sort of got off the little

chair that's in there and onto my knees and put the end in my mouth and then sort of went from there, yeah. Listen, you're a young guy at that time. Was this an older guy or was he young to? Yeah, no, he was older. He was probably maybe in his 40s, I guess. Yeah, he probably saw you come in all the time. You were like a hot piece of ass to him.

He was just waiting for that moment. I think so, right? Because like I say, it was sort of like the etiquette of the thing was to put your fingers through if you wanted it. Yeah. But he'd seen me come in there lots of times and he'd seen me buying the panties and he knew I was wearing those panties. So he probably didn't realize that I was going in there to get my dick sucked. He probably thought I was going in there all the time and sucking dick, right?

Yeah, that's what the guy wearing panties is normally doing. He's the submissive. He's on his knees. Yeah, exactly. So he just went in there and closed up the shop and then put his dick through. And then I was like, oh, my God, this is my first dick, right? Yeah. And how was that for you?

It was probably one of the best experiences I've ever had, right? It just felt so naughty knowing that he knew I was in there. He knew I was probably wearing some sort of panties. And then just being on my knees in, I can't even remember what G-string it was, but I was definitely really slutty. And then working a cock in my mouth was like, oh, my God, I was ready to explode. Did you swallow? That time, no, I didn't.

I sort of, I didn't know, it sounds weird, I didn't really know how to do it. And so I'm doing it with my mouth and then sort of jacking him off at the same time. And then, yeah, I must have come up for breath at the same time as he's sort of come. And he's sort of come on me, I guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But eventually you wind up swallowing down the line. Yeah, eventually I do, yeah. That's so funny, though.

So, but I mean, because I'm assuming you continue to go to that glory whole place numerous times after that experience. it weird seeing that guy or was it like who gives a fuck? No, sort of like who gives a fuck. It was like we would make just the same small chit-chat, small talk sort of stuff. And that was it. That was the only time I actually ever blew him or did anything with him. It was just, yeah, it was just that one time where I went just before closing time and the opportunity arise, I guess, for him. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It doesn't mean anything to anyone in that scenario. So it is what it is. That's interesting. So then after you suck that dick and it was like so amazing, now were you wanting to go back to be in that position more? Yeah. It was sort of, obviously, I wanted to try it again and feel that, I guess, feel that sort of dynamic where, yeah, like I am a bit more submissive and on my knees and just wearing panties and having someone see me just wearing panties on my knees and then servicing them. Of course, yeah, I went back. Oh my goodness.

And this whole time, are you still dating this girl? The panties girl that you stole the panties from? Not by then. Just sort of usual 19-year-old guy seeing girls here and there. Because that's the thing, right? I probably consider myself bisexual, but more attracted to women. I'm not actually attracted to men as such. I'm just attracted to that situation.

Yeah, I love these kinds of sentences. Because if you just hear it the sentence, it doesn't make any sense, but look at what you just followed up with. And if I really question you, it does. It can make sense. Like a lot of people would say, he's sucking dick, but he's not into guys at all. I mean, come on, it makes no sense. But like you're saying, it's more when you're in that scenario and it's the scenario that it makes it hot. Correct?

It's not the guy. Like a guy out of that scenario doesn't work. like a guy cuddling in your bed or a guy coming to your house? I don't know. Does that not work for you or does that work for you? Yeah, no, you've hit the nail on the head there. That's exactly right. I'd get just as turned on or nearly just as turned on.

If a girl ever said to me, oh, I want you to wear this pair of panties out in public and I want you to let them right above your pants so I can see them or whatever. If that was a girl or a guy, it would turn me on just as much, do you know what I mean? Yeah, it's not about the guy. It's about you wearing the pants. goodness. And it's whoever could get you off and look at you while you're doing it. It just so happened that the glory hole, guys are fucking pigs, so they have places like this. No girls run places like that. I mean, there's not many places you could go to where girls are going to

be down to do that. And if there are places like that, you got to pay a lot of money. Okay, no girls are giving it for free. But guys are such fucking horn dogs that they're all giving it for free at glory holes. Yeah, exactly. And I'll never experience, but I'll believe there was girls or couples, I guess that went there. But I mean, I went there a lot and never saw it. But yeah, you're 100% right. Right, right. Oh, my God.

So, like, real quick, one question is, did it ever progress to you doing anything other than blow jobs? I mean, because you can get fucked in the ass in a glory hole right if you just turn around. I mean, there's, I'm assuming more goes down sometimes in those places. Yeah, it never did for me. Uh-huh. You're right.

You probably could. but it never did for me and it never has. I still haven't ever done that and I don't know. It's just not a turn on for me so I've never really tried it. I've had lots of guys asked to do it. Oh, really? Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean, lots of guys that I see or meet up with really want to do that, right?

I mean, I don't judge anyone for what they're into. So the opportunity has been presented and you have turned it down. So you know that you're obviously not into it or else you would have because it's been, in front of you offered. When you say guys that I've met up with, so do you eventually start meeting people online? Because you did mention, like, you know, besides the online thing. Like, did you eventually start going online and meeting guys outside of that place and other places? Or was it always in that bookstore? It was in there for many years because I was like it was like I'd found a thing and it was perfect and it worked so well and turned me on. So not, not for many years.

Yeah, eventually I did. I eventually found other places online. Like I said, there was another place pretty much just 500 metres up the road that had the same set up. So I went there as well. And then I think probably my first time out of that environment was at a gay sauna. So that was sort of like in the just outside of the nightclub district in the town that I was living in at the time. And then I'd heard about it online and sort of thought it'd be really hot to go there. time because everyone's completely naked and like I want to be seen naked right so I'd been out night

clubbing with some friends and and they'd all go on home and I decided oh I know where this place is so I went there and yeah that was sort of the only that was the first time after just doing it through a glory hall where I'd actually suck someone off face to face yeah yeah not face to face but yeah let me ask you this is maybe only because I live in New York City do I just see every single gay man is a fucking 10, okay? But I just wonder, are the gay men hotter than the straight guys that are on the DL getting their dick sucked at the adult bookstore? Like when you walk in the gay sauna, where you're like, wow, these guys are really fucking hot?

Or were they all the same kind of guys that you're saying there else? I don't know. I'd say it was probably half and half. There were some guys in there that were, like you say, like a gay heartthrob. Yeah, yeah. fit and a similar age, probably not as young as me, I was young 20s. Yeah. Those guys were around the 30 age.

And then there were some guys that were like the 50s and sort of similar situation to me. No doubt there was probably some married guys in there. Yeah, those were the guys that didn't look so great. Those were the guys that didn't look so great. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, there was all types in there for sure.

Oh, okay. So how was that experience when you went there? I mean, because listen, now you're an exhibitionist. Do you realize you're also a voyeur? Because I would assume inside that gay sauna. I don't know. Is everyone just like getting it on and you could just see it all around you? Well, not really.

It was, it was, no, there was a little bit of that. But it was mainly there was sort of like a heap of rooms, like one where it had the, like the spa. One where it was an actual sauna. One where it was showers and one where it was like a bit of a makeshift cinema. But yeah, there was. And then there was like private rooms as well that weren't so private. I guess they were just darker rooms with no doors on them and then there was actually private rooms. But yeah, there was all sorts.

But it was what I like the most about it was going in and taking all my clothes off and just wandering around and jumping in the spa and making a little bit of chit-chat and seeing all these eyes on me and then going into the sauna and just relaxing completely naked and free, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, like my experience at the nude beach. It's a definite freeing experience and especially because you had a little bit of an exhibition. and you have probably turned you on. And so then you started hooking up with guys. Like, how do you wind up knowing who wants to hook up? What's the tell?

I mean, I know in the glory hole someone sticks their fingers, they go, come here. What is the, what's the sign in the gay sauna that, you know, two guys hook up and go in a private room? Is it just old people start chatting with you? Is there any other kind of cues? Well, that was the only time I've ever been. And I was in the, like, makeshift cinema room, I guess, just just watching some porn. and then these two guys came up to me and said, would you like to go to a private room?

Right, right. So they just direct like, man. Yeah, just straight up. Let's go. Yeah. So that was the only one time you went. And so you hooked up with a couple? Yeah, I don't know if they were a couple.

So it wasn't the best experience. I went in there with the private room with them. And they're sort of playing with me and then kissing each other. I'm not into kissing. And then they're sort of like kissing my neck and my body. And then I sort of just playing with both of them. And then I sort of dropped to my neck. and start sucking them one by one, which they really loved.

And I loved and I was like, oh, my God. And the door was open into this little private room. It was kind of dark. And I could hear people watching and walking by and that sort of thing. And that was a huge turn on for me. And then after a little bit, they sort of wanted to take it further and do other stuff that I just didn't, I wasn't really into. I was more, I would have been happy to sit there, you know, for the next hour on my knees and be watched, sort of pleasing two guys at once. But, yeah, they wanted to do more.

Oh, they wanted more, some anal action, whether topping or bottom or whatever. Yeah, correct. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that was the only time you went. You never went back. No, I never went back. I sort of moved to another city then. And then I sort of fell out of that sort of thing.

I started picking up more girls. And I'm about 20, 21 by then. And like I said, I still enjoy girls more. And if I could have girls on tap, like I could have guys on tap, I'd probably never have a guy, right? But it's much harder to, like you said before, guys are horn dogs and they'll try anything. No, I think you're smart.

I always tell a lot of my guy friends who are such horn dogs, always looking to fuck. I'm like, you'd be happier if you were gay because you would be getting more of what you want. You're kind of like you want girls, but you're fucking horny, and it's just easier to get guys. So you go there.

I think that's kind of smart. Other guys don't have the balls or maybe the desire to do it. Yeah. that's it. So, and then that sort of, so for a few years, it sort of just became a bit more of online play, I guess, as there's the internet involved and there was kick and, and that sort of thing, and Snapchat and, and I would just sort of play with guys online rather than in person. And, and I really liked that because it was like, I would find guys that wanted to see me wearing this stuff and, and direct me and, and that sort of thing on camera or, or take pictures or

go out in public and buy a pair and then put it on and take a picture out in public and that sort of thing. So I did that for many years and I still do a little bit of that now. So that was like online stuff. While you were like with girls in real life, you were getting those kind of needs met online. Yeah. How old are you now? Nearly 31. Okay. So, okay. So then what happens? When do you go back into another phase where you start seeing guys in real life? Yeah, so yeah, that was probably for quite a few years. And I guess one of the things then was I was sort of like I moved to a smaller city. So it was, I wasn't really comfortable.

So these guys were like all over the world, right? So it was a lot easier. There was no chance of being found out or anything like that. It was like in my private home or sometimes outside. But, you know, it was like, that was it. Talk to them once or twice or three times. And then I'm not going to bump into them down the street. and no one's going to see me sneaking into a gay sauna or something like that, right?

So it was a lot easier. And then I moved back to a big city and I would still be talking to guys online and they would be like, well, why don't we meet up, right? So, yeah. And that's how it got back into sort of meeting up with guys in real life. And how did those situations go? They were good, mainly good. So, you know, I don't do it all.

and I haven't done it a lot, but sort of once every few months, every six months maybe, I'll meet a guy online. I'm super horny. He's really into me wearing panties. And I like to think I'm a fairly good looking guy. So if there's a guy that's into a guy wearing panties, I think I'm the guy for them, right? And then I would meet up with them. And, yeah, I found I've just got to be straight with them.

I just want to, if we meet up, this is what I'm into, right? I'm into, you're just sitting, yeah, you're just sitting back. I want you to tell me to take my clothes off. I want you to maybe tell me to get on my knees. I want if they're into it, I want them to tell me to try on different panties for them and give them a little show as such. And then, yeah, and then just blow them. It's interesting because he did start out for a long time, like that first year in the

glory hall, it was really you just servicing the guys. But really once you got on your knees, became something that you were more into. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And don't get me wrong, I love getting blown as well. Yeah. So, and it'll surprise you. There's, I meet more guys that are into blowing than there are into receiving blow jobs.

Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, for sure. I'll meet lots of guys. They're like, oh, it's so hot that you wear panties and, yeah, come around. I'll let you try on all your panties here and I want to see it. And then I'll blow you. And I'm like, well, I'll blow you if you wanted. And they're like, well, no, no, that's fine.

I'll blow you. And it's, wow. Well, look, you're the same as them. You're the same as them. Both of you were there. And you both are guys and you both rather blow than get blown. Interesting. I would think it's the opposite.

Yeah. And a lot of people probably do. I think not the problem, but the thing with that is usually if I go there and I suck a guy off and then he comes, his desire to want to suck me off after that is gone down a bit. Oh, my God, if not totally. Right? I mean, come on. They're like, done.

Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, that's so interesting. And what do you tip? Like, do you have a type that you look for? Are you into size? Do you not care? I mean, what is, what do you look for in a guy that you're going to go meet up with? Well, I guess what I'm looking for is fairly fit body, even though I'm not really attracted to guys.

I just prefer a more fit guy that takes care of himself. And I've got to be attracted to his cock. So, yeah, it has to have a good looking cock. I don't really know how to describe that until I see it, right? Uh-huh. And I prefer them not to be hairy. So that's what I prefer. Oh, interesting.

And now what do you find is a lot of time on the receiving end of your emails or text or where you're looking? I mean, is there a lot of married guys? Is a lot of gay men? Is it a lot of guys doing something on the DL? It's probably a mix. I mean, there is lots of married guys, 100%. There's lots of married guys. But it's probably even married, gay, and guys like me, right,

that no one really knows what they're doing. And they like doing it, but they're not ready to come out or tell anyone. And they're happy with that. So it's probably an even mix, which is, there's lots of married guys. 100%. There's lots of married guys or guys that say they're not married, but it's so obvious when they're like, I know I can only meet at this time for like 45 minutes.

And definitely not at my house and that sort of thing, right? Oh my God. I had a guy once on my show. He came on a couple times. His name was Trey very early on when I used to have to go onto Craigslist and look for people. And Trey would do these 24-hour blow job extravaganzas. Like he would just, he just wanted to suck a lot of dicks and swallow a lot of calm. And he set up events.

He had a guy that worked for him. It was like a whole thing. When he said he brought up the fact that he, he would see, like guys would obviously take off their wedding rings before they came inside, but he could see the indentation still on there. Yeah. Yeah, I've had that a few times where I'll see him like the tan line. Yeah.

Oh my God. I know it still is a thing that so many people aren't admitting because I get them on my show. A lot of guys talking about a lot of the married guys talking about it. What do you do when you're in relationships? Have you ever been in a long-term relationship? with a girl? Yeah, yeah, I've been in a few and then I just, I've never told any of the girls about that or that I'm into that. Yeah. Yeah, but I've never, when I'm in a committed relationship as such and we're exclusive or whatever you want to call it, then I just,

just do probably the most I do then is the occasional online thing, but I've never really met up with anyone then, no. Right. And now, do you find that when you are with a girl and you're not getting your needs met as far as like sucking a dick but what about the panties thing are you wearing behind her back underneath your clothes at work or or is it that you want her to wear panties for you I mean how do you get your fix with your panty wearing yeah so I love girls in panties as well it's not just wearing them so I love and often when I'm in a relationship I'll I'll buy lots of panties and sexy panties for the girls to wear and then yeah I I still I still wear them. I'll wake up one morning and like I'm going to work and I've just

woken up so horny and all I want to do is just wear like a lacy thong and so I'll put it on and that feeling all day knowing, you know, people all around me and knowing that I'm wearing that under my clothes is like a huge turn on for me. So yeah, I'll still, I'll still do that. Yeah. For sure. I want to do a thing where every one day on one time at 4 p.m. all across the world, that everybody takes a bunch of guys and locks them in a room. Like maybe it's like 100. It makes them drop their pants. I mean, how many guys are wearing panties, panties, panty hose, you know, all kinds of things.

I reckon it would be more than you think. Yeah, I just, I just, because I've heard these stories before and I'm always, like, my mind thinks, oh, my God, what if you got in a car accident? What if you had a stroke at work or you, I don't know, broke your leg and they had to rip your pants off? I don't know. I get so paranoid like that. I don't know that I could ever do anything on the deal like that because I would be so petrified I would ever get caught. Have you ever got caught in any way, shape, or form? No, not really. That feeling for me is a real big turn on as well. So like I say, I get most of my

panties now from either like sex shops or like big department stores where I go in and I pretend I'm buying something else and then I go to the women's underwear section and grab some and then go like through the checkout or usually through the self-serve checkouts they have these days, but you know, through the checkouts and knowing people, knowing that they're sort of for me me is a big turn on. I've never been caught, but. Like for people to kind of see? Yeah, I'll wear them in public often when I'm feeling really horny and let them right above my gene line.

Oh. And if I bend down to get something from the bottom shelf in a store or something like that, then if people see or accidentally on purpose see, I guess is a huge turn on for me as well. Yeah, so then I'm glad I asked that question because it's actually a more interesting answer. I mean, sometimes it is interesting when people get caught. I like to hear those stories, but the fact that you're turned on by that is interesting. It's a thing. And I think some people have that and some people don't.

I think it probably goes or it's very in line with the exhibitionist in you, right? Yeah, that's really true. So, yeah. Yeah. that you would like do you bend over you want people to see but but with your friends i mean like how do you present in real in the real in your real life with people with your guy friends be so fucking shocked that there was a night that you left them and went to the gay sauna and you hooked up with two guys where they be like you got to be kidding me not john he's like

the most straight dude ever yeah i think so like that my friends would be so shocked my friends are cool. All of my friends are cool. I think if I ever told them, they would be more shocked than you could imagine, but they would accept it. So if I am wearing them around my friends and that, it's more, I'll never pull them up above my pants. And I'm always sort of making sure they don't ride up accidentally above my pants. But the feeling of wearing them is really hot. But if I'm out by myself, or I've been talking to a guy online and he's, well, why don't you go buy a pair? So I'll go out and buy a pair and I'm texting him, I've bought this pair. and now I'm wearing it.

This is all the fourth leg. Pull them up and yeah, that's right. It's just all that buildup and that energy and how it makes me feel slutty and a bit naughty that I'm wearing these. And this guys, well, make sure you pull them up and someone may see you. And that just turns me on like you wouldn't believe.

Yeah, and it's interesting. I've heard this more so from a lot of people who fully cross-dressed and I'm going to ask you, that's going to be one of my next questions, is whether you've ever thought to put any other female clothing. But a lot of times when guys are into dressing up the really the only time they want to be

with guys is when they put on that feminine thing and feel feminine. When they are in their male form and presenting as a male they're not as interested. Do you have any of that going on? Yeah, that's pretty much the same. I'm not really into cross-dressing. I haven't tried it as such because I'm not interested in it.

Yeah. Probably the most I've done when I'm really horny. And it wasn't that long ago. Actually, I was away in a different city for work and staying in a hotel and really horny and didn't know anyone. And I went to a sex shop and I bought full lingerie, stockings, that sort of thing. And I put it all on and it did turn me on, but it was, I've never really worn a dress or a wig or makeup or anything like that. But I only ever want to suck a dick when I'm wearing. Right. It makes you feel feminine, submissive. it sort of triggers this other part of you. I mean, that's what was always interesting for me to find out.

And it makes sense if you really hear it when someone explains it. But I think if you've never heard someone explain it, it doesn't make sense. Because some guys are like, I don't like guys. But if I'm dressed as a girl, I do. But I'm not when I'm in my mail force. It sounds so hypocritical. But both things could exist at the same time. Yeah, it is weird.

It is weird. And unless you've experienced it or you've heard about it a lot. But yeah, as soon as I put on a pair of, like, sexy panties, and they have to be really sexy and, you know, what I consider a little bit naughty. As soon as they come on, I feel so much more submissive and I feel naughty. And, yeah, that's, that feeling comes over me. Like, yeah, that's how it happens. Right.

But it is interesting that the, didn't the panties come after the first glory hole? But the glory hole just came because you were just like a horny kid that wanted his dick sucked. And you're like, guy, girl, anyone. just suck it, right? Through the hole. Yeah, that's it. Pretty much. It was like, I'm so fucking horny.

I want a blow job. I'm 18 years old. And how can I get this one? And then it was like a glory hole. Cool. And like you asked, did you think it might be a girl? I reckon probably going there. I thought, I'm never going to know if this was a guy.

So it's not gay and it's not weird. It's just a blow job. And you can think it's a girl. But as soon as I went in there, I knew it was a guy. And what was weird was like I felt, well, who cares, right? Who cares in the end? Yeah. And back then that wasn't like, well, people didn't just go around saying who cares if a guy sucks you off.

And people still don't, right? Yeah, but that's how you go. Yeah, even in the last 10 years, a lot more people do go, who cares now, right? Yeah, it's getting there. But, I mean, you felt that way then, though. You were totally accepting of it and saw it for what it was, which is good, which is cool. I mean, that causes you less pain and suffering, trying to figure out yourself. I mean, did it ever make you question your sexuality?

Yeah, I guess it did. And then, you know, I would just think, well, am I bisexual? And then that's where it was a bit weird because, like, I back then I didn't really, I thought in my mind a bisexual person is someone who is really attracted to girls and wants to fuck them and is really attracted guys and wants to fuck them or be fuck by them. Yeah. And I was really attracted to girl. and I still am really attracted to girls, but I'm not attracted to guys. Like, I'm, I'm attracted to that scenario and attracted to good-looking cocks when I'm wearing panties, but I'm still not overly attracted to guys.

I can appreciate a good-looking guy. I'll go, wow, that guy's a really good-looking, right? I'm not an idiot, but I'm not attracted to them as such, the same as I am with a woman, where a woman will turn my head where a guy wouldn't. Right, right. And like I said, I mean, you are pretty open-minded, considering all the things that you've tried. I feel like you're definitely not even lying to yourself because you have really dipped your toes and tried a lot of things and you have had the offer of just the straight up

guy on guy action and you weren't into it. I mean, you could have done it and you would have. You're the type of guy that like I said at 18 went to a glory hole and let a guy suck his dick. So you got balls, right? You're not like afraid to try things or like I said lying to yourself. You're sort of just being who you are. so I feel like if you were attracted to guys, you would have been getting fucked in the ass by now. Or if you would have been doing these other things that have been presented to you. I mean, you have been with guys

where you could have done more, right? Yeah, so, yeah, I think you're right. I mean, I know what I'm into, and that's it. And it's not it. I mean, I'm always open to new things, and I'm always sort of open to pushing the boundaries of that side of me, but it's more like pushing the boundaries of maybe getting caught or pushing the boundaries of standing in front of a guy and he tells me and sort of directs me a bit.

But it's, yeah, I know what I like and I want to explore that side, but not the other stuff. Yeah, it just sounds like what you're open to is more different kinks and stuff, but not so much you are who you are and what you're into. But it sounds like you're very curious when it comes to, like you said, the scenarios and expanding on the kinks and stuff that you like, which is being seen, being caught, that kind of thing. but it always has to be within the scenario that you, that has to be there, which is you and pandies, you as a submissive, you tapped into that feminine side because you, don't you, does it make you, I'm assuming it makes you feel a bit feminine when you're in the panties. Yeah, it does. It obviously does, right?

I feel way more feminine than my normal life. And I feel slutty. That's the answer. I feel really slutty. Yeah, I love my cross-dressers or anyone that gets into the slutty thing. because I was always like, I have, I'm like that slutty girl. Like, I loved Barbie clothes and heels and slutty outfits and stripper clothes. I was never a stripper, but I loved the what they get to wear, the slutty outfits they wear on stage.

And so I love when a cross-dressor or a guy that likes to dress up that really wants to be fucking slut. I'm like, I'm right there with you. I get that dressing up persona wanting to feel that way sometimes, right? I don't present like that when I'm walking around all the time, but it is fun to be a slut. I get it. Yeah, but I mean, like my favorite feeling is all day wearing panties and someone knowing that I'm wearing panties. And then if I go to their house and they tell me to strip off and then they're like, oh, look at you. Look how slut are you look.

And then sucking a cock in a pair of panties or like a g-string that's like riding. Yeah, like a whore, like a slut. Yeah, like a guy you don't even know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If a girl did that, they'd call her a slut. Yeah, that's right.

Yeah. So, yeah. And let me ask you this. Are you attracted to slutty girls or are you not? Do you have to be the slut in the relationship? I wonder. No, I think I probably am, well, I'm attracted to, I don't know, I don't really have a type. But, yeah, I guess I'm more accepting of slutty girls than what some of my friends would be.

Yeah, maybe. Don't get with her. She's a bit of a slut. Yeah. I'm like, well, who cares, right? Because little do they know, I guess I'm a bit of a slut. well. Yeah, you talked into that energy and you understand what it is and it doesn't intimidate you or freak you out or, I mean, it turns you on actually. What are your, so tell me like your favorite

kind of panties, like, is it a color, is it a type, is it a brand? What do you go looking for when you go to those places? Yeah, they've got to be sort of like a bright color is good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they've got to be lacy, like really lacy, a snug fit. So like, probably a size under what a girl my size would wear and then g-string obviously yeah yeah yeah so yeah it's like what a guy would right now oh really it's like though what a guy like if i wear a hot pink tight lacy g string with a guy he's gonna make a comment it's like it's like what you like for yourself is no different i feel like than what guys like on a woman it's the same shit yeah right yeah well what I like to wear is what, yeah, someone would like to see me in hopefully, right?

Like I say, if I speak to a guy or meet a guy that's into a guy in panties, I want him to be like looking at me in the panties and going, wow, that's really fucking hot. So I'm not going to wear an old pair of granny knickers or something like that. Yeah, they're not looking for you to wear a nude pair of panties. They're looking for what a guy is looking for in a girl even, which is like a hot pink or neon colors, Very girly, very bright colors, like you said, when you were describing it. I'm like, that's the kind of stuff that I know is super hot if I'm going to go hook up with a guy. Like, that's, I have nude pairs and black pairs and what, you know, different colors.

But I always think in my head, like, oh, a guy's going to love, like I said, the hot pinks and the bright colors. And that's the, that's the hottest stuff, I think. So I agree. Like you're on the right page. So, so question, like, when you wore the lingerie that time and stuff, right? long ago was that it didn't really lead to you doing it any time after? Oh, that was probably only about two months ago. Oh, okay.

No, not really. I've still got it, but I don't wear it as much because it's a bit harder to wear under my clothes. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But it sounds like you're into undergarments. I mean, it could. It sounds like it's a very different kind of fetish than cross-dressing. And it makes sense that you went from a G-string to trying a little lingerie and stockings.

because it kind of ties into undergarments, right? It's all the something you wear under clothes, but clothing, I think, is a totally different thing. But who knows where you'll be when you're 60? Let me ask you this because you're not with somebody now. Most likely eventually at some point, you're going to settle down and get married if you want to have kids. You're going to wind up with being with somebody for a long period of time.

How does that relationship look like to you? I mean, do you think that you? you can and are going to keep the fact that you are into wearing panties on the DL forever and that you can also at the same time not see guys ever again the minute you get married, or do you hope to one day meet a girl that you would feel comfortable enough to put this on the table with? Yeah, I don't think I'd ever get married to a woman that I couldn't be honest with about that side of me. I just haven't met the right girl. I've dated girls for nine months a year, and it's been right on that.

Oh, is she the one? If she's the one, then it'll be like, yeah, look, all cards on the table, this is what I'm into. Or I have a feeling that maybe one day when I do meet the one that I want to marry, then she'll be like early on, let's tell each other all our weird shit, and she's into some weird shit, and I'm into some weird shit, and we just accept each other, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you have to. That's what you really should do.

And I love what I'm talking to somebody that hasn't shocked up yet, and is, you know, the sky's the limit. I mean, you're not even dating somebody that you have to talk to about it yet. You haven't met anybody. But when you do, I mean, that's a great way to test the waters, especially if you have a fetish and something that's really strong. I mean, it really should be a deal breaker moving into a long-term relationship because you don't want to wind up like a lot of my colors who are living a double life for their whole life.

It's exhausting. You could get caught. You could lose it all. I mean, there's so many reasons why you don't want to do that. Plus, you're young and people in your generation are so much more open to it. So you're more likely to find a girl into it anyway than somebody else 30 years ago. So I believe it definitely should be a deal breaker. And that is a great way to weed out that person early on.

Not on the first date, you're not going to tell her. But once you start fooling around and you're having sex early in the relationship when it's super hot, you start communicating about sex right away and start talking about your fantasies and bring it up. And that's when you could really feel somebody out to see if they're able to be open to what you're into. And I love that. Your answer to that question is that you wouldn't wind up with somebody that wouldn't accept that. That's the right answer. I've listened to lots of your episodes where the guys are in similar situations or they've got this kink or finish and they're always like, well, either now they're with their second wife and they've only just opened up to them.

And as well, yeah, that's right, because they're a bit older. And like you say, 30 years ago, it wasn't like that. But now I'm only 30 and, yeah, there's plenty of time, hopefully. Yeah, just, of course, there totally is, absolutely. And the fact that you even know that your guy friends would be accepting of it. So there's a lot of girls that would be down. I think it's great that you eventually, when it comes to that time, you will, you do plan on putting it out on the table. I do believe that when you're very clear about who you are.

and what you're into. You will meet the right person who is in line with exactly who you are. I think the problem comes when you're confused. You still have some shame about it. You don't know if you should. And then you wind up meeting people maybe that are rejecting or not into it because it's sort of like a reflection of how you feel of yourself. I think sometimes a lot of times who's standing across from you is a reflection of who you are for better or for worse. So I think the clearer you are and the more you know yourself and it sounds like you do and the more honest you are the more likely you're going to meet that right person you're going to be fine and you're going to meet a girl that's totally going to be into it and and that's what you should you should hold out until you do meet somebody because you don't

want to be with someone that won't allow you to be fully yourself it's important yeah yeah agreed 100% great great great great voice yeah yeah well you know it already i mean you were quick to answer you know what you're still young you're so young you don't have to i don't have to I have something called marriage math, okay? And this is why I never got married because I know marriage math. And that is take the age you think you're going to die. Say you think you're going to die at 90s, 85. And then minus it by the age you decide to get married, okay?

And say that's 25. That's what people used to do when I was younger, okay? Minus 85 by 25. What do you got? You got 60, okay? That's 60 years with the same person. I almost can't breathe when I think of that. Do you know what I mean?

that's marriage math okay so there should be no rush to hang your hat with one person for the rest of your life I don't know. Some people get married when they're 25 and they want to be with the same person for six years and it's fine. And that's great for them. Everybody lives a different life. But you have a plenty of time. You're only 31. So with marriage math, the longer you wait, you know, the fine, it's fine. So anyway, if you can, like for my Patreon, if you want to send a picture in of your panty stash or something like that would be like super interesting if you have one. I'm assuming you have a panty stash, right? Yeah, I've got a family big stash. Yeah. send a picture of that. Can you? Yeah, yeah. This is definitely going to go up on a fetish Friday. I love this episode.

I think it's great. It's definitely going to go up on a fetish Friday soon. And send me in that pick and I'll put that on my Patreon. And then because you came out on my show, I'll give you free access to my Discord and you could go in there and talk to people and do whatever you want in there. Other people have to pay, but I'll give you a free link to it. But definitely send me in the picture sooner than later. Okay.

All right. What do we call you? What the fuck did we call you? We called you John? John. Okay. Also, John. Thanks so much for calling in.

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