Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 756 - Mark and Julie are Into Pegging, Swinging, Threesomes and More

Episode Date: January 29, 2024

Mark and Julie are into pegging, swinging, threesomes and more and they both called in to talk all about it. Tune in to hear all the details including how at one point in their marriage they got prior to their divorce and why it didn’t work out back then, how and why after they remarried Mark started being honest about his kinks and fetishes and how Julie felt about them at first, the first swingers party they went to and what they decided they would be down for, the guy they met at the party, why they call him “Perfect D***” and what Julie did with the first time they hooked up, the next time Julie hooked with him at a hotel and exactly what went down, what they did that time that made Mark jealous and how they got past it, the next time they met up with him and the threesome they had and exactly what went down, why Julie wasn’t into pegging at first and how and why she’s into it now, how he copped to being interested in hooking up with a guy and how Julie felt about it at first, how Mark was always a super jealous person and how he was able to get past his jealousy and how and why he’s no longer a jealous person, how kissing was a no no for Mark and how and why Julie got him to change his mind, how their over communication about their swinging has not only improved their sex life but also their marriage, how Julie felt when he first told her he wanted to hook up with a guy, their most recent mmf threesome where Mark hooked up with the guy as well and exactly what went down plus a whole lot more. **To see anonymous pics of JULIE plus my other female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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slash strictly anonymous podcast. That's patreon.com slash strictly anonymous podcast. Now listen, all of the links and the number to the Confessions hotline is in the description. So today I have on a couple Mark and Julie. I love Mark and Julie. They have such a great story. The quick story in the beginning is they were married for a really long time and Mark was a drunk. He had a major drinking problem. They did try swinging at some point in their marriage and stuff, but they never really went far with it. And then eventually his drinking really took a turn for the worse. And Julie left him. And when she left him, he got fucking sober and clean and he came back for her.

And they got back together. And since they've been back together, they are better and ever. And they went back to swinging. And they started pegging. And they've had threesome with a guy. And then they had threesomes where Mark also hooked up with the guy. And they came on to talk all about it. First, I talked to Mark for the first half hour, and I talked to Julie for the second half hour.

I love doing couples like that. Mark calls in to talk about how he got sober and how that led to him overcommunicating and really putting himself out there. And he started over communicating about his fetishes and his kinks and the things that he was into. It was super scary, but he did it. And his wife, Julie, was super receptive. And they started going back to Swingers Clubs and they went a couple times.

and then one time they went and they met a guy who they call perfect dick. And they wind up hooking up with perfect dick a bunch of times. Okay. And he talks all about that. Now, Mark was super jealous. He was a very jealous guy. So even though he knew when he got clearheaded that he wanted to see his wife with another guy and that would turn him on, he also was a little worried that he'd be jealous.

And there was one time where he was jealous. He talks about that. And they also talks about how they got through it. But like I said, they fooled around and had threesome with, Perfect Dick a bunch of times. They both talk about those experiences in detail. They eventually started pegging because he was really into pegging. First, Julie didn't want to.

They talk about why. And then she was down and she does it. And she talks about how she feels about doing it. He talks about how much he loves it. And then they had, recently they had their first experience where Mark hooked up with the guy. So it's an MMF threesome. They met a guy online. They had an MF threesome.

Mark didn't get to that story. Julie got to that story. And that's a fucking funny story. Okay. We end with that. Julie and both Mark talk about how opening up their relationship and their communication and all of this stuff has only helped their relationship. They are living their best life. And what's interesting is this was a couple that was divorced. Okay. They were at one time divorced, called to quits, finish, dunzo. And now they are not only back together, but they are better than they ever were. such a great story. And they sent me in picks, hot picks already. I got them over on my Patreon. So if you want to see them, go over there. They'll be on my Discord. Link is in the description. I'm going to be right back on first with Mark, then with Julie. Hi, Mark. It's going to be Mark and Julie, but I have Mark on first. How are you, Mark? I'm doing good, Kathy. How are you?

I'm good. So listen, your Mark, your wife, Julie, is going to be on after you. I like to do couples this way. We hear from the guy first, and then we'll hear from your partner. Julie. You guys are a couple, married couple, who recently got into pegging and swinging and threesomes and more sums, right? You're going to be doing some more stuff in the future. But let's like start at the beginning. I mean, how long have you been married? And then why did you recently decide to start doing all this kind of crazy things? We were married 30 years ago. And we actually divorced five years ago, a little more than five years ago. And I had a drinking alcohol as a problem, and she just didn't, she couldn't be there for it anymore.

And shortly after we divorced, I got sober. We stayed friends for about a year, and we actually remarried about three and a half years ago. So I guess in total time, it's been 30 years, but there was a little interruption in between. Well, but what a gift that was, because probably if she never left you, you probably never got sober. Like, I think maybe she needed to do. that so that you could figure your shit out, right? Oh, 100% true. If I didn't, if I didn't feel that, that gutting of that, you're right. It would have been the same thing today. So I try to remind her, because I think sometimes you feel like she quit on me. And it was quite the opposite. It was the most compassionate, most beautiful things you got ever done for me. Yeah. And it's the harder thing.

I mean, I think it's really hard to walk away from a partner or someone that you really care about when they're so wounded. But that's, really is what you unfortunately have to do because that addict, that person that's dealing that was never going to change for you, they have to do it for themselves. And she created that bottom that you needed so that you could like fucking wake up and do what you need to do. So what a blessing. But yeah, she should not feel guilty. That's what somebody would have told her is the right thing to do. But it's the harder thing to do. But she did the right thing. Oh, 100%. And that's, I mean, really, that's kind of worthy unhooking of me.

be having that open conversations with her. First 25 years we were married. We played, I mean, our sex life was good. She's a very attractive woman, very attracted to her. But as my drinking progressing got worse, my self-esteem and ego was beat up so bad that I was a jealous person under every circumstance. I wasn't a healthy partner to be around. And I certainly wasn't going to share any secrets that I had inside of me because my, self-esteem was so low that there's no way that I was going to put that out there.

You couldn't be that vulnerable. Of course. I get it. Yeah. So getting sober, getting back together, we spent a whole lot of time, even being married for 25 years when we remarried, was spending a whole lot of time learning how to communicate again. And that really helped lay down the groundwork to be able to have these vulnerable conversations and things along those lines. But in our previous marriage, we were married probably 10 years. Her dates and times are a little better than mine. But we were married about 10 years. And I told her I was interested in going to a swinging club.

I'm very sexually hyperacted, super hypersexual. And I always have been masturbated a lot as a kid. And just anyhow. So I had asked about going to a swingers club. And for my birthday one year, she made a surprise arrangement for us to go to a swingers club. And we'd actually went a few times. We did some soft swapping, but then it kind of petered away and tapered away. It just kind of stopped.

And I think a lot of that, like I said, had to do with my self-esteem at the time and my drinking, progressing, and getting worse. It just went away. So when we got remarried a few years ago, when I got sober, the weird part was everything in my life at that point seemed more important. So I didn't want to hide. I didn't want to keep secrets. I didn't want to, I wanted to experience things that I hadn't experienced.

We raised their kids. They're out of the house. They're all at some level of functionality. And it was time for us to kind of enjoy life. And so anyhow, I started opening up to her about I wanted to be more playful, chase my fetishes and kinks and things like that. So she had asked me for my birthday, what did I want? And there was three requests.

One was to go to a swingers event. two was to be pegged, which at that point, we hadn't done any butt play ever. In matter of fact, her, for her anal is completely off limits. You want to see the teeth come out. Tell her you want to play with her butt. But you wanted it. Oh, I did. As a matter of fact, even in masturbating as a young man, playing with my butt or putting

things in my butt was always kind of appealing and felt good to me. But I wanted to feel. experience of somebody doing it to me. She was my partner, so I asked her about that. And her initial response was absolutely not. And so anyhow, just over- But what was the third request? You said two things.

Anal Swingers Club, and what was the third one? I wanted to wear a pair of girls underpants. Now, I'm never going to read the YouTube comments because I don't care. But people I imagine are going to rip on me and call me gay or whatever. I don't care. I've listened to plenty of your episodes and I know how I feel, so I don't need to defend myself.

Well, let me just defend you myself. Okay, most cross-dressers are straight. Yeah. Cross-chesters, full cross-chesters. You're talking about just pandies. I'm talking about there are guys out there that want to fully dress up as a woman, but they are 100% straight.

So wrap your fucking head around that. If you want to know more of the reason, go listen to one of my cross-dresser episodes, but let's get back to your story. Okay, so those are your things. three requests, but when you said pegging, she was like, no way am I going to do that even to you? Yes. She said absolutely not. So when, and that was, it's okay. I mean, she's my best friend. And I mean, if anything that time apart from us and be getting sober, I mean, it just, I mean, this is my living immense to her is to be a great partner to her.

And part of that plays into the story, in my opinion, and people I imagine will have their own, but in my opinion, it does. But anyhow, so I shared those three things when she said, fine, you want to go to swingers club? And she, we've been to it before. And she said, hey, we'll go. Just figure out where you want to go. We'll go. So we made arrangements to go to a club, like it's almost like a nightclub, but it's just for swingers. And we went there.

She dialed up beautifully. But we went there and it was butts to elbows in the place. The music was so loud. You couldn't really talk to anybody. So we kind of sat by ourselves for a couple of hours. hours and left. And it wasn't really a good experience. I mean, people were super nice that we did have a brief conversation with, but people are fairly clickish because they're already there with a group of people they already know or maybe already played with. So it was hard to meet new people

there. So then we found a place that's like a house party, fairly far, I don't want to say far hour and a half or so from the house. But anyhow, we went up there and it was a meet and greet night. And there was about 20 couples there. And we were able to ask questions. People were People were super nice, but honestly, I wasn't really attracted to anybody or any situation, but it was a nice way to kind of tip our toes in the water. So then we agreed to go back another time, and we went back the second time. I was a straight out big old crazy party, I mean, probably 100 people there. And I was, because of jealousy was so part of my life in the past, I felt that I was just,

nervous to pull the trigger on anything. We really didn't communicate with anybody. We just sat to the side and watched and anyhow. So came back home from that event. We didn't play with anybody. Over the next couple of weeks, we're talking and communicating with each other. And I told her, I said, I really don't want to go back there again. If I have that same fear of that jealousy or whatever, I want to, if we go back, let's make a determination that we're going to do something. And we had spoken about boundaries. We've spoken about what's okay, what's not okay. I told her what kind of my fantasy was. My fantasy was to watch her with another guy and have that experience. And she was pretty clear with me. She's not interested in watching me with somebody else. As the swinging

played out a little bit, well, get more into that, she's okay now that if I want to go play with somebody I can. She just doesn't want to watch. Okay. Where I'm opposite, I do want to watch. I love seeing her have a good time. I like to see that happiness on her face, that satisfaction, that ego being fed to me, that is so hot to watch with her. Right. This message is brought to you by avocado mattress. And if healthy, comfortable sleep matters to you, this is one organic brand worth knowing.

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we were sitting and we dropped ourselves into a group of people here because we just wanted to start communicating and being part of the deal and a fellow had walked in with a couple so it was two guys and a girl not sure what even what their play method was at this point because they just walked in as a group like I said two guys and a woman and I could tell that my wife I got caught from the guy or her her eyes turned to the guy and you could see that she was attracted to him And he was sitting, I don't know, maybe 10 feet, 20 feet to the side of us. He passed behind us a couple times. And as he'd passed, she'd look at him.

So he'd come back one more time and I just got up and introduced myself. And I say hi, Mark, this is my wife, Julie. We just wanted to say hello and introduce ourselves. And he, you know, said his name and stuff. Anyhow, not 10 minutes later, he is naked at the pool. And his nickname could have. have been tripod if you know what I'm talking about yeah that big yeah I'm like oh my god oh no boy that panic yeah for me in essence of boy do I really and you you say it all the time in your podcast right everybody

wants that got a second guy to be bigger yeah and that was actually that was definitely part of my fantasy but in the same essence like how do you go back to average old oh mark yeah yeah there's got to be that fear there too will she ever be satisfied with you yes it was it was it was really for sure. Yeah. But anyhow, he came walking by us again, and I just had to tear the bandaid off. I just had to go. So I got up, walked up to him, and he was actually with the girl that he walked in on.

And I said, listen, I just want to ask, I don't know what your play style is and anything like that. But would you be all right if my wife gave you a head? And he's sure. Interesting. And so he said, well, come this lady friend of mine come in the room with us as well. So we went into the playroom, and my wife performed head on him. And there wasn't a whole lot of interaction. It was just almost transactional.

And it turned out he ended up asking if his lady friend could play at the same time. And she was sitting on his face, he figuring her vagina and stuff, and my wife was giving him a head. And the odd part was he didn't come. And I've been with her for 30 years, and I think she gives fantastic head. But anyhow, he didn't. come. And so we kind of get ourselves out of that situation and we stick around for a few more minutes and then we book. Now we have an hour and a half car ride home, right? A whole lot of time to kind of change gears and how did that, how did we both feel after that experience?

And what my wife was shared with me is that it felt transactional to her. She has to have some kind of connection, some kind of lead up to it, some kind of like physical and mental foreplay to get herself into that thing. I don't know. I'm sure you've heard the phrase down to fuck where people just meet and they go fuck. Yeah, DTF. Yeah, uh-huh. Yeah, that is not my wife. My wife has to have that emotional connection, the kissing ahead of time, that part of it. So anyhow, we got his name and we got his Facebook account name or whatever, and we reached out to him on a PM on Facebook and said, hey, would you be interested in playing again? And he said, yeah, no, you guys were great and blah, blah, blah.

So anyhow, we made arrangements to meet in a city in between us. And I got in a hotel room. And it was set up with the idea that we were going to meet them for drinks, have dinner together, have a couple cocktails together, try to make sure that there was some kind of connection for my wife. And we did that. He's a super chill guy, super nice guy. Matter of fact, I sent you a text message that he was even willing to be on the call with us.

Yeah, yeah, I remember that. Yeah, another day, another time, I guess. But anyhow, just a super nice guy, and he's been in the lifestyle for a long time. Now, he's about 10 years younger than my wife and I are, my wife's in earlier part of her 50s. I'm in my latter part of my 50s, and he's in his mid-40s. But anyhow, so we have dinner. We have a couple cocky. things are going good.

And now, I mean, it's really time to take, turn the Band-Aid off again. So I have a hotel room in the city and I tell them, we're playing pool. I said, let's wrap up this game and let's head back to the hotel. And people talk about kissing that it's off limits or it's on limits, but I know that that's part of the Afrodejia for my wife. Right.

So when we leave the pool hall, I suggest that the two of them sit in the back seat and I'll drive back to the hotel. and they're making out in the back seat, and I'm watching them in the mirror. And I could tell my wife's getting turned on by it. And the weird part is it didn't bother me. I didn't know how it'd react to it because it does seem more intimate to me, the kissing. But it didn't really bother me with the two of them making out in the car. So we go back to the hotel.

We go upstairs into the hotel room. And I, they call it the cuck chair. Every hotel room has one. So I sit in the chair. Cuck chair. I've never heard of that. But you're right. Every hotel does have that chair off to the side of the bed.

Exactly. I mean, but anyhow, I sat in the chair. And part of the reason I sat in the chair was I didn't want to feel like she had to take care of me. I wanted her to enjoy herself and let go and things like that. So anyhow, they fooled around. And he told her, he goes, you're going to have to tap out. I don't finish. And he wasn't kidding.

And they flocked for almost two hours. And he actually studies how to control it. And, I mean, like you said, that's why it would have been an interesting conversation. But he has studied how to control it so that he doesn't. Yeah. But anyhow, so, man, she's biting her lips. She's, oh, my God. And she's coming like, I don't know, she must have come seven or eight times that night.

here's the part that bothered me when she was coming she would lean up to kiss them or something that bothered me the making out in the car didn't bother me at all but as she as she was getting let's just say fuck drunk and she's leaning up it's a little more passionate of a kiss that's what got me okay it's almost felt like it felt like more of a sexual and high energy connection and that's what freaked me out. Okay. Huh? So the other part of it was we left him at the hotel, which I paid for, and that was a weird thing, too,

because right, is he going to trash the room? Anyhow, none of that happened. But anyhow, we then had an hour and a half car ride home, and my head was full. And, I mean, I was the jealousy part of it, the hot part of it, and it took me a few days to be able to put it in the words to Julie. And really what it came down to was, One, I didn't like watching. I wanted to be involved.

And the fellow that we were with was perfectly fine with me being involved. And matter of fact, at the end of the play session, he did her doggy style in front of me in the chair. And Julie gave me head. So she's getting what do they call it, the spit roast. But anyhow, and that was hot, super hot for me. And so, but it was still, it was in my head. And what really was in my head was that kissing while she was fooling around. So on how over the next couple weeks, Julie and I spoke quite a bit and talked about the situation.

I was not mad at her for anything. This was all my request. This was all my doing. So none of that came into play. But she is, Julie's a very compassionate, very giving person. And she felt bad that she had hurt me. She really didn't hurt me. It was just all new emotions, all new feelings.

I didn't know how to deal with it. Yeah. But anyhow, so what it came to me was I needed to be involved. So we invited this follow to our house, actually. Instead of getting a hotel room, he was going to come out. We were going to have the three of us were going to have dinner together. And then I was going to play with him. He was totally fine with that, not in a boy-boy way, but as the two of us taking care of her.

So that's what we do. We have a wonderful night. Julie's, I mean, well-taking care of. She is hotter than ever because I am involved. I'm, it's super hot and super sexual for me because watching her face, watching her actions, and being turned this way, I mean, it was two hours of sex. And I'll tell you, for a man in his late 50s, two hours of sex, it was a lot of work. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But there was enough energy, enough adrenaline, enough dopamine behind it that it passed like a blink of an eye. So next time we saw him, I was actually doing work where he lived. And Julie came out to stay at a hotel, which I had reserved because I'm doing work in that town for a couple of days. So she came out. He met us at, well, we went to dinner and then we came back to the hotel and fooled around. And I was the first one that had to leave in the morning. And this is just so weird. But I guess still having that boundary and having that communication, I had told them both when I was leaving in the morning.

I didn't want them to fool around. And John, well, I said his name, but if you take that up, but he actually left the hotel right after I did because he did want to fool around it, but he wanted to respect our wishes. You know what I mean? So anyhow, he left right after that. And I even called before I started work just to see if he was still there and if they had. Because it was, it was messing with my head a little bit. So since that situation, now the pegging side of it, when I told Julia about pegging,

she told me that she'd be willing to play with my butt, but she wasn't going to peg me. So we went to the store and we bought the things that pushing your butt and then a couple of dildos and things like that. And she was very passionate, very caring. We did a lot of communication of what felt good, what didn't feel good. And then finally I got out of her. What was holding her up with Peggy was the leather harness. That was her hang up. She felt, yeah, you will, and I'm sure she'll be able to explain it better than me,

but the harness was her hang up. Well, because this was a fetish of mine for so long, I knew that they made women's underpants that were built to handle a dildop. So we went to the sex store. I showed him to her, and she goes, oh, yeah, that's, That makes this so much better. It was like all of a sudden there was a switch and that was the problem. Interesting.

So since then, yeah, we have Sunday fun day. That's my day. And she'll say what time you want to have Sunday fun day today. And there's prep to it. I have to take a good shower and do certain things to prepare for that. And I absolutely love it. And I just listened to one of your podcasts actually heard today from Santo. And I mean, what he's describing is 100%.

true. And you even describe it with people that talk about it. It is an incredible sensation to have that thing happen to you. You know what I mean? It's just there is so many nerve endings. Yeah. And it's awesome. Yeah. But what it did, because I'm, you know, I was born in that time where if you put something up your butt, you're gay. Yeah. And watching Julie give head to the tripod or whatever you mean right yeah i actually saved him my phone as perfect dick because it looks like somebody took one of those ones you could buy the sex shop and that's what he carries it i saw i've seen one of those it was yeah it's not only like huge but it's like perfect looking it looks like you you should make dildos out of it like i saw one of those before absolutely yeah well anyhow i told julie

that i had interested in and sucking one and boy that you mean it took up a lot of time and a lot of a vulnerability to share that with her. Yeah, I can imagine. And even when I brought up pegging, Julie asked, are you gay? And I said, no, it's the sensation. It's the feel. And the good news is I had heard a number of times on podcast where people where I could put it into words now because I heard any other people share it.

Yeah. And I have no attraction to a man. As a matter of fact, at the end of this, my last part, I'll be sharing that we go into trying to find an MMS. Yeah, I remember that. I can give had or play with a guy as well. And I have no attraction. And I'm turned on by women. But when I'm in the heat of what's going on, it's hot to me.

And she put a dildo in my mouth who we're playing and the dirty talk and things like that. And it's super, super hot to me. And but sharing that I wanted to do it for real, Julie was really understanding. So yeah, let's try it. Yeah, sounds good to me because I get to play. too. So the fellow that we had played with a few times, he always said, if you want to try

something, just let me know. It never hurts to ask. So I sent him a text message and asked him if he would play this way. And he said no. He said, no foul and ask him, but that's not my play style. Well, it also turns out that he had started seeing a

girl at this point as a relationship. And the odd part was, he used to text us or we text each other a couple times a week, the three of us just checking in with each other, and those stopped. And the funny part was, Julie actually felt like she was broken up with. It was kind of cute. But one part I need to share about this, and I'm probably probably planning on way beyond my part of the phone call. When Julie and I started this thing with tripod, Julie started her first leadership role at the company she works at.

And she was struggling incredibly with imposter syndrome. So I was trying to prop her up the best that I could. You're beautiful, you're smart, you're a great person, you've got generous, you're always trying to build her up. And one day she told me, she said, you have to tell me that it doesn't mean anything. And it was honestly painful to hear. But I get her point, right? She just, I've been there for 30 years. That's my job.

Yeah. So there was part of me that when we started looking for somebody, I knew that would help her change the perception of herself. Our kids don't know about our journey, but I spoke with my daughter who's 26 years old the other day. And she said, Dad, it's amazing in the last year how much mom self-confidence has gone up. And honestly, you can certainly ask her for her own opinion. But I think by having somebody else be there for her, see her as I saw. her and really changed her approach to how she conducts herself every day. And to me, that was one of the hotter parts of it. Because she's my best friend. Not only she's my wife, he's my best friend.

Yeah. And if you see your people that you really care that much about grow and see what you've been seeing for 30 years, man, there's nothing more satisfying than that. Let me ask you a question because you did say early on that you were really jealous. And you were concerned. Yeah. And you were concerned even way later after you got sober like you were you knew you were going to be turned on by her being with a guy but you had this other part of you that was like what if I get jealous? I mean did jealousy ever come up or was did was were you never jealous? I mean what's the deal with no I would I'd say that kissing situation when we met at that hotel that was the only jealousy and when when when when I realized that that is part of sex for Julie yeah part of the turn of the

on part of that warming up period is kissing, then I completely understood it. Yeah. And then I knew it had to be part of it going future because that's part of, that's all the foreplay for her. That's where a lot of girls may want to get their, get eaten out or whatever. You make out with Julia, man. She's wet from it just from making out because that, that is her foreplay. Yeah, it could be really dirty.

I mean, I know that a lot of people relate kissing to something that's just only romantic. but I think kissing is very, it could be very erotic too. So I totally get that. But I could see why some people would be worried. You just want to make sure it's not anything more than that. You know what I mean? Like that one time. Yes, 100% true.

And I just didn't, I didn't want my behavior to get out of control like it had when I was still drinking. Yeah. And Julie was very, very concerned about that as well. She felt that that green monster was going to come out. And when we were driving home, I was. was never angry with her and never even angry at the situation. I just started trying to put words to how I felt. And she was able, I believe, to relax from that and know that it wasn't a personal attack

for me. It was me trying to work through those emotions. And I said, even at driving home from our hotel visit, I didn't know what that emotion meant or even where that emotion came from. I knew it was there. But until we talked through it, and it took a few days to get through it, to figure out that that's really where it came from. And how that played into our situation and things like that.

The next time the two of them kissed, it didn't bother me at all. But that's because you over-communicated about it. And you probably would have never been able to do that when you were a fucking drunk, right? You're so much more. Yeah. You're so clear-headed now that you were able to really put it out there and talk

until you figured it out. And that's all about. There's all that communication. And people I find a lot of times, the reason why people in the lifestyle have like way better marriages than people, vanilla people, is because they're constantly over communicating with each other because they have to. And that's the way, if they're successful, that's what it's all about. But that only strengthens your relationship.

I think that. 100%. Right? Yeah. That's part of my immense process too with Julie is I wasn't available a lot of times. I may have been sitting in the house, but I wasn't emotionally or physically available. because I was polluted. So that's part of my men's now

is when we sit down for dinner, our phones go off to the your present. And we're with each other. We're present for each other, absolutely. Yeah, there's such a big difference. I'm sober like 30 years. I don't know.

I've been sober. Yeah, 20 years. And I think the big difference is being present. And it's interesting as a super person sitting across from other people who aren't present. When I realize, oh, wow, there's such a difference when I spent a lot of my life

that way not being present and same with you and I think it's a very interesting switches but it's so extreme and so much better right being present so like like let's end the call with you where we started which is like thank God Julie left you so that you could clean up your fucking act you know what I'm saying so I'm gonna get her on no since I sent the request in we did have our first MFF with a guy or I did participate and she can share that side of it. did because yeah because on the thing it was sounded like it was in the future all right so we're going to have to get that from julia thanks thanks mark thanks so much for calling in you bet bye bye hi hi julie welcome to the strictly anonymous podcast i just talked to your guy mark and now we're going to get

your side of the story how you doing today julie i'm good how are you i'm good well listen i want to start off by saying what a great thing you did by by divorcing mark okay when you did because you got him to sober up. He was saying that you felt like bad about it sometimes every now and then, but really that was like the greatest gift you could have given to him as an addict. That's what people have to do. And unfortunately, it is the hardest thing to do. And some people can never do it because it feels like you're abandoning someone, but you're really not. You're really doing the right thing for them. Because look, he got sober and you saved his life, really. Well, I appreciate that. Thank you. Sometimes the dichotomy of that is you say in sickness and in health, and I look at an addiction

as kind of a sickness. Yeah, but no, you did. But look what happened. It really was the right thing. And unfortunately, it's like, I think they call it tough love. That's what it is. I think you did the right thing. You created that bottom that he needed.

And that created the change. And he couldn't be happier. And you guys couldn't be happier. He told me all about how you guys got back into swinging. I mean, you had tried swinging before, he told me. I mean, you guys did go to the swinging club while you were married. But when he got sober and came to you and started confessing to you all of his kinks, like, how did you feel?

about getting back into everything and all the stuff that he started telling you about? So I think part of it, and he may have shared this, is when we got back together, we spent a lot of time. And we even went through counseling to try and build better communication skills. And so I think as part of that, him sharing these things that he was interested in, that was like a trust thing, right? He gave me something. So I guess part of me, I will say that we kid around and call this his hobby. people that like collect things or go to like craft shows or whatever like this is this is his deal so definitely he does all the research and then he'll present his his ideas and then if if i'm down we we go ahead and try and explore it so his so what you're saying his thing is kinks like

his kinks are his thing his hobby i mean like sex in general is his hobby he like listens to podcast and follows reddit pages and all of it oh okay i love that so now i know that he did say like when he told you about pegging, like you were really that into it. But then he realized it was really just about the harness. Is that what the deal was? Yeah, that definitely was a holdup. And yeah, there's probably some psychology there. But I just don't like the, we have looks like underwear or something.

But the strappy, belty kind of thing just did not work for me. Well, let's go back to that first time that you guys went back to the Swingers Club. I know that you had two times where you went and just kind of watched. But then the third time, you guys did wind up participating. You want to tell me about that. time, like from your point of you? Yeah, for sure. So like you said, we had been a couple of times and just kind of were observers. And so our conversation leading up to it was, okay, well, we've just been sitting on the sidelines observing. It's time to either get involved or maybe this is an

or our deal. So we kind of went with an agenda. And then we were hanging out at the party. It was like in the summertime and they had a pool or whatever. So we're sitting out on the pool deck. and Mark caught me looking at a guy that walked by. So then he was like, all right, we're going to jump on this. He's like, he's like, that guy's cute, huh? And I'm like, yeah, he's cute, whatever. And so he just walked right up to him and asked him if he was interested, like straight out of the box. Like the, like very little conversation before because we had kind of talked about it beforehand that either we're going to do something or this is kind of silly to keep going to this place.

Mm-hmm. So you have to keep going. Oh, I have to keep going. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You eventually wind up blowing this guy, okay? We got to get to that. Right, exactly. So he asked the guy, like, if whoever he was with would care, if his wife blew him.

And he was like, yeah, no, she doesn't care. And she and Mark both came into the playroom with us. And I started blowing him. And then actually the person he was with kind of got up on his face. So he got pretty good service on that deal. But that was our first experience like that, where. Mark was just observing. And I think both of us thought that was kind of weird, but, you know, again, that was like kind of a trust thing. So he's, hey, I won't get mad about this, which

seemed kind of counterintuitive, but he definitely did not get mad. Right. Now, I know you had some rules going in, like no making out and stuff like that. I mean, did you have any kind of reservations? Were you worried because you listen to your guy? You've been with him a long time. He's super jealous. He had that issue. He copped to that. I mean, and here you are about to blow another guy in front of him. Were you a little nervous? That may, you're a little nervous that maybe he wouldn't react well. Yeah, 100%. 100% I was nervous about that to the point where I was kind of thinking, all right, so what's

my exit strategy if he takes the car? What do you do? Got Uber on the, or and lift on the phone or whatever, you know, so. Oh my God, that's so funny. So you were definitely nervous, right? I was definitely nervous. But like I said, he was like, no, 100% that's what I want to do. I want to see this.

I think it'll be so hot. And I'm like, okay. Whatever. So like I said, we did that I gave the sky the blow job and Mark sat and watched. And then he was totally fine afterwards. We went home and Mark and I then fooled around when we got home and everything was cool. Now, was it like the reclaiming sex really great because of that what you guys had just experienced? I mean, a lot of times people talk about the reclaiming aspect of it.

And I think like for us, the connection after you have sex when you're just kind of laying together or whatever and kind of talking or. or even just like holding each other or whatever. That part definitely I think we felt more connected or whatever in that part of it. Yeah. So yeah, I would say that there was a benefit in our relationship for that. Yeah. Okay. So now take me to that experience when he joined in.

Did you want to have that experience taken to the next level and have him there and do a whole threesome with two guys, one being your husband? So this is like complete. And I imagine he probably said this. I always think whatever we do something that's like on Mark's bucket list that will have checked that box and scratch that it. And at some point, you know, you'll get to the end of the road with it. But it really doesn't tend to be that way in my experience so far. So then he was like, he was like, okay, so that went well. How about this?

And so we made plans with that same guy. Perfect dick. And we met him. Perfect dick is a thing? Yeah. Yeah, that's what he likes to call him. Yeah. It's definitely not a terrible one and I'll say that much for him. Yeah, yeah, go on. And so we met him and we hung out with them a little bit more, like just to kind of like have more of a little social connection. Yeah. And then we went back to a hotel and I started out with the other guy first and then we asked Mark to join in.

And then, yeah, we all fooled around and I mean, me and both the guys. So yeah, yeah, yeah. I know that Mark was like, oh, I, I, I definitely wanted to experience her being with a guy with a bigger dick. That's so there's something hot about that. I always hear that from guys that want their wives to be with other guys. They, the bigger dick thing is like a thing. And it's only because they're, they're very into seeing the wife pleasure.

But there was that fear in him like, oh my God, what if she's not then going to be still interested in me afterwards? I mean, did you find that, oh yeah, this guy was really huge and it was great, but it was still great with your husband?

Yes, 100% still great with my husband. And I think the thing, and this is going to sound cheesy, I think, but like I told Mark, I'm like, even like when I fool around with this other guy and he has a big dick and I orgasm, it's not the same for me. Like the orgasm, the release isn't the same as it is with Mark who I've known for a long time and I'm obviously in a committed, connected relationship with. Yeah, there's more layers to it. I would, like, that's the way I would assume you feel it. I'm a woman. I know the difference between a great orgasm from a.

booty call compared to a great orgasm from someone you really care about. You care about. Yeah. So much different. Okay. Yeah. You get it. He doesn't always understand that part.

Yeah, because I don't know how guys experience orgasms, but I know how women do. And I know that there's a very big difference. It's the same like when you're jerking off. Like you can have the best orgasm. It's not going to be the same as when you're with someone else or someone you care about. So yeah, I totally get that. That's a good point to make.

Did you explain that to him? We have. We've talked about that. And I don't know if Mark had shared this, but we hooked up with that guy at couple of times. Yeah. And I think for us, like the comfort level, it gets easier the second or third time that you do something like this because I knew at that point that Mark wasn't going to be mad about it. You had that little issue where he was upset about the kissing, but you explained to him that and I explained to him too. As a woman, I think kissing can be very romantic, but it could just also be

very hot. That it doesn't mean anything. For sure. And I just think, yeah, for me, that like is, that makes me hot. Yeah, yeah. Kissing is. Yeah. That's, that's, it's one. of my deals. Yeah, but you just had to explain to him that and he understood, right? Yeah, for sure. And I think that as you say, explained to him that the biggest piece, like this whole journey, like the physical part of it, obviously there's things that we're learning about ourselves there, but the, the connection, the conversation, the like deep grief or whatever you're like planning before. I mean, obviously, you don't know. We'll talk about, okay, so all the things you can think of, what if this happens? What if this happens? But obviously in the moment, you just, I mean, there's another person with

the brain. So other things could come up that you just didn't even entertain maybe. Yeah. But it's all about that communication. And thank God, you know, your guy quit drinking because he's so clear-headed. Now he, he, you know, you guys are over-communicating with each other, which is what it's all about if you're going to be in an open relationship. I mean, that's the difference between the couples who are successful as opposed to the couples who are unsuccessful. And the other thing that that does in a relationship, I hear this a lot from people who used to be vanilla and they're not anymore that they just feel like they're even closer now. And I think a big part of it is all of that communication. You start over communicating about sex that leads to over communication about everything. And that's just

only going to deepen your relationship overall. Yeah, for sure. That's definitely been our experience is that that extra level of communication and connection has definitely, I mean, it's improved. Like, we just have a good life. Definitely taking drinking for him out of the equation was important because we did not have this kind of relationship or this kind of trust in communication. Yeah. And I feel like if he was in his drinking days and he, you wound up kissing that guy in that situation happened, it would have wound up with you driving home in an Uber by yourself. And I get that's why you thought that way because you knew the old him, but he's like a rational person now. I think I quit drinking 20 years ago. So I know the difference between

being a fucking addict and being clearheaded. It's a big difference because really what being an addict is all about is just like not knowing how to control your emotion. So he wouldn't have been able to control that emotion of jealousy when he had it. Whereas so many years later, being sober, he sees his wife, he's flipped out a little bit about it. But he's able to talk to you. He said, you guys, it talked it out for a while, a couple days. And then he came to understand. Let's get to the pegging.

And then you got to get to the male male three something you have because eventually he winds up being with the guy. And he didn't get to that story with me because he was telling me his backstory. But with the pegging, do you enjoy it now? I enjoy it. And I know there's a word front. I won't remember what it is. I enjoy in part because of how much he gets out of it. He totally enjoys it, right?

Yeah, yeah. And that's a turn on, right? You want to make your partner feel good. And I think it took a little while to kind of, I mean, I don't know if it's something you've experienced, but for me, it took a little while to get to hang of it. No, no, I never have, but people have explained to me. You can't feel it. It's like an appendage, but you don't have a feeling of it. But it doesn't have a sensation.

Yeah, so I've heard that before. So it is very hard to figure out how to like thrust and stuff. It makes sense. Right. And we joke around. I'm like, okay, so now you have your heads over, your legs over your head. So you know how I feel. And now I know how it is from your side.

Oh my God. That's so funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, because listen, it's a very dom thing to do, you know, as a woman. Do you get into the whole dominating him or is it more like you just get into the pleasure he's having? So I get into the pleasure he's having for sure. But to get into the. headspace. There's like the last time that we fooled around, I was like, I was joking around.

I put on like elbow links gloves and I was like, okay, I've got my super villain outfit on. Yeah, you're playing the part. Yeah, yeah, that's great. You're getting in character. What's all about? Yeah, for sure. And I think we, he and I had talked about even just going to event out places and stuff. I always like when there's a theme because then there's, I can focus on that. Get into the costume and it's that persona. Yeah, and you're a little outside of yourself. So you, maybe you're free to do things. More free to do things. Yeah, you're not something inside your brain.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I totally understand that. So now how did the whole thing come about with him being with a guy? Like, how did you feel, though, when he first told you that he wanted to be with a guy? So, obviously, like, the first time you hear it, you're like, okay, so does that mean not me anymore or everybody? Or you kind of have to, like, work your way through that. But I think because we were on this journey already, I was like, and I compartmentalize. I think people do this.

Like there's that physical part, right? So that's just a physical sensation, right? And so to me, I'm like, we joke. I'm like, okay, so it's just part of your research. It's just another science experiment, right? So let's try it. Let's see what's about, you know? Well, and that's the peg.

You mean like just that he likes anal play? Well, that and even putting a dick in his mouth. giving a guy oral or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so you were able to get to a point where you could compartmentalize and understand that it's just thing because he said to me and listen, let me just tell you, Julie, I have heard this from so many guys. And then I had a therapist on who wrote a book on it just for the wives explaining that

if your guy says to you, listen, sometimes I want to suck a dick, but I'm totally straight and I'm not into guys. That's a true story. And he explained it on my show why that's fucking real. I told you he wrote a whole book for Wills. women because there's probably so many women's like, but that doesn't make sense. But it is a thing. And I've heard it so many times that it never used to make sense to me, but it's absolutely a thing.

And I forget what he said. It's something like the difference between your sexual orientation or your erotic orientation. It's just like in the moment while you're having sex, like you might just want to suck a dick because it's like dirty hot sex. But it doesn't mean anything when you're out of that experience. And that's what it's all about. And we talked about it. He's like, I'm not like, like he, I can tell an attractive woman. He could tell an attractive man, but he's not necessarily attracted to a man.

Exactly. But some people will be like, but yet you want to. But in the moment. I call it whenever you're when you're hot enough, everything sounds like a good idea. Yeah. I mean, listen, being horny is like being drunk. That's what I always say. Right.

So maybe when you're a horny drunk, you're into dick. But when you're straight, the minute you come, you're like back in reality. Exactly. And then it's like, okay, you need to go, buddy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So walk me through that. experience because he didn't even tell me about that because when he booked the appointment, it was still like something you guys were going to do. So you did this recently. Yeah, this was

pretty recent last couple, well, definitely since the new year, last couple of weeks. So we had talked about it and I was like, well, I mean, how do you want to go about this? And so we had put a post on like a website like for pineapple or swinger people or whatever. And just kind of said, this is what we're looking for when people were DM and us like crazy and so then we were kind of sorting through that or whatever and that's all that's always an interesting to me an interesting thing because I'm like half of the people I'm like okay that sounds fake you know or this guy isn't into you he just wants pictures of me naked that's really all that is you know you know because people ask for that which you know fine whatever you know you want to know who you're hooking up with or whatever but you know just like you could like to me sometimes I'm like they're just not asking for that you're just not asking you anything about the situation. They're just asking, you know what I mean? Like, whatever. So we kind of for free picks. Yeah. Huh? Yeah, exactly. And I'm sure I'm not the person that's been like, sometimes people are just out there looking for picks. Oh, that's the biggest, actually, that's the biggest thing that people talk about is the problem of finding people to be thirds or couples to hook

up with. There's just a lot of waste, waiting through the bullshit. So anyway, go out. It's kind of like dating. There's a lot of that dating, too, from what I recall. Totally. But anyway, so we finally settled on this guy that we were kind of chatting with through direct messaging or whatever. And we set up a meeting where we were just going to meet and have drinks and visit and get to know each other a little bit and then decide if we wanted to go ahead with it. And we met and that was fine. And we were like, yeah, okay, that's fine. We'll do it. And so then we set a time to meet him at a hotel so that we could hook up or whatever.

And we did. I don't know how much information you want. All the information. I mean, whatever you want to give. So we start like fooling around or whatever. And I went down on this other guy first. And I was like, I mean, I've done this a few times. But this guy, it had a funny taste.

Almost imagine you're in the summer and somebody's used bug spray. Okay. And you like kiss him or whatever. And it just had that chemically taste to it. Dick? His dick. I'm like, gross. What did he like sanitize it or something before?

I don't know. I didn't ask. But I was like, I'm like, we're here now. So let's do what we're going to do. And then, you know, Mark joined me and we were both doing it. And so then we pulled around or whatever. And he left. And I looked at him like, okay, that was not representative of any other experience I've ever had with a guy.

He's going to come out of it being like, wow, I never knew guys smelled like bug spray. Right. I'm like, please do not judge the experience on this particular one. You may want to like, we may want to go back to the drawing board because I was like, I've done this a few times and it's never been quite like this. That is fucking hilarious. Wait, how far did he go with the guy? Did you guys just blow him?

Did he bottom or top or do anything else? No, just hand and mouth. That was it. Oh, okay, and just oral. Now, did you only do oral with the guy or did you do more with him? No, I fucked him. Oh, you did? Okay. Now, does your guy, does Mark want to go further and do more? Because, I mean, listen, he's into anal

action. We know he likes to get pegged. I would assume that getting fucked in the asses on his bucket list. No? Yeah. To this point, he has not expressed an interest in that. And then after we met that guy. Yeah, to this, I mean, life is long. We've still got time. I'm sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, we talk to another guy at a party or whatever. And we just, we, we haven't met up with him again, but like, I think that's still a possibility that he would try it again with this other guy. But we just, we haven't really talked about that lately. So with a different guy. Now, what was his experience?

I mean, like, you were like, don't worry. This isn't what it is. Was he like, oh, I didn't care? He had the face like, ew, why did I just do that? You know, like, but I don't think it was like the act as much as the like the actual experience. Oh, he was freaked out by it or no? No, I don't think he was freaked out about having the dickens.

He just, it wasn't enjoyable. And then the sex itself was, I was like, Mark and I have this little joke when I'm bored. I like do this thing with my arm where I like kind of flip my wrist around, hurry it up. Yeah, yeah. And I was doing that where Mark could see it, but the other guy couldn't. Oh my God, hilarious. Yeah, it seems kind of mean, but we're not giving names. No, and listen, sometimes this happens.

And look, you got three. It just was not a good connection, right? Yeah, it's never going to be 100% great every single time. I think it's always important to show that sometimes you're going to hook up and all the chemistry is going to be great. The stars are going to light. Sometimes it's not. That's just real life. Shit.

I mean, and I like these stories. It's kind of funny. I never smelled a dick that smelled like bug spray. I don't know. What did you say? You always hear something new. I'm sure you're on things every week. Yeah.

But, you know, Mark did end talking about how one of your kids were like, oh, my God, like moms so much seems so much happier and different and she feels so good about herself. Do you notice a change in yourself? And is it because of being? in the lifestyle? Is that why you feel like you, do you feel that in yourself of what your child has seen? I would say yes. I definitely think I am more confident. I would say a part of it. Like when we when we were hooking up with the first guy, the good experience like the third party in our relationship, we were texting back and forth and Mark would send him pictures of me and he would be like, oh my gosh, he's so hot. So I mean, that sounds nice. I always tease Mark. Mark, he's very

kind. He tells me how beautiful I am and how much he's attracted to me all the time. And I'm like, you're like obligated to say that because like you're in a relationship with me. So it does sound different from someone that doesn't have to say that, right? Yeah. No, that's what I mean. I was listening to some people talk recently about being in a relationship. So there's a term now called microcheating. And what that's about is just kind of like being able to flirt or do things just with other people just to have that kind of experience of feeling great. Yeah. Yeah. feeling good about yourself because look a little attention from another guy for a woman who has been coupled up her whole life must be really nice yeah for sure and i don't know i don't know he told you that

but we've been together pretty much my entire adult life so that's what i mean i couldn't imagine i mean you've had the one guy and i'm sure he doesn't say it because he has to i'm sure he says it because he he means it but it still doesn't matter like hearing another person say it just validates it in a different way and why not like how great to get that kind of attention and way later in life it can't hurt no for sure and I think that's part of the other piece of it is I'm at a point in my life post hysterectomy where you get to a place where you're like screw it whatever yeah that's great because you don't have to worry about pregnancy you mean I mean just like I guess even just caring about what other people think so much yeah that's called being older I mean that's the

greatest thing there's a freedom right already yeah totally totally totally I mean, listen, Mark said, and this is how he really ended. Like, he's just never been happier. This is the best times of his life and how great. A lot of people wind up the second half of their life bitter and miserable. I think the right way to be is happier than you've ever fucking been. Because if you grow and change and solve your issues and do the work that you're supposed to, you should be happier as you get older.

It is a great thing to have all that hard work when you're younger being done. And you could just like you said, fuck it, not care and just live your life. And you guys are living your best life. I mean, here you are a couple who've been together for so long and now you're like opened up your relationship. And it's, it hasn't heard. It's only helped it, correct? For sure. Yeah.

It definitely, it has only helped it. I feel like you said, like all aspects of our communication have improved and just, I think, too, after you go through some of these silly experiences, there's a bonding in them, right? Yeah, because who else are you going to talk to about that guy? Right. I mean, no one else could. I can't even understand what you're talking about. But he's the only one. smell did you? He's the only one. He was right down there with you. That's fucking hilarious.

That's a funny point. Well, listen, Julie, thank you so much for calling. And I love doing couples like this, getting the guy first and then getting the female second. Your guy, Mark already sent me hot picks of you guys. So I have those for my Patreon. I'll get to give you guys free access to my Discord afterwards too. This episode will be up really soon. I love talking to you guys. I love your guy's story. I love a big part of it was that he quit drinking. I think that I love hearing success stories like that. I'm like I said, I'm a sober person. That's not an easy thing to do. And I love that he did do it and he's in the right head space. Like he's just so much happier and that's what it's all about. And I think you really did the right thing. And I love that you guys were able to get

back together. Like what a happy ending. And then to have this, it's like perfect for my show because now you're fucking other people. It's like in the, yeah. Now there's like icing on top of the cupcake or something. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I love it. It's really, it's really a great story. So thank you so much for calling in and sharing, and this will be up really soon. All right. Well, thank you so much.

Have a great day. Thanks, you too, Julie. Bye. Okay, I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly Anonymous Confession Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers is now available, not only in paperback and ebook, but you can pre-order the audio book. It's still not going to be out until August 25th, but you. you can pre-order it.

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