Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 771 - Dave Hooked Up with Couples in the Lifestyle for Many, Many Years

Episode Date: February 21, 2024

Dave was a unicorn for couples in the lifestyle for many years and he called in to talk all about it. When did he get into the lifestyle? How did he wind up a unicorn? And, what did he love so much about hooking up with couples? Tune in to hear all the details including the random way he met the girl who turned him on to the lifestyle, how he felt first time he went to a swingers party with her and exactly what went down, how he realized early on he was very into sleeping with another man’s wife, how he eventually went looking solely for couples and how over time he learned what to do and what not to do in his profile to become popular with couples, what he enjoyed doing when he met up with the couples and exactly what would go down, how and why he wasn’t so picky when choosing couples to hook up with, how he eventually started feeling like a piece of of meat for couples and why over time that started to bother him, how many couples did wound up hooking up with while he was in the lifestyle, the one conservative couple he met who were secret freaks, how and why he got into guy on guy action during threesomes, the first time he hooked up with a guy and exactly what went down, the first time he topped a guy and how that happened, how he eventually realized he had a sex addiction and why had it in the first place, how that led him to quitting the lifestyle, the girl he met in the vanilla world and how he was honest with her about his past and how she felt about, what they lifestyle gave to him when he looks back on his time in it plus a whole lot more. **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Go to patreon.com slash strictly anonymous podcast. That's patreon.com slash strictly anonymous podcast. Now listen, all the information I just gave you, all of the links and everything will be in the description. So if you're driving, don't worry. Just go to the description later. So now today I have on Dave. Dave is so interesting and he's got such an interesting episode because this is a guy.

He's in his first. 40s now, but very early in his life, he got into the lifestyle, sort of by accident. It's really funny how he met a girl that was in the lifestyle and how they met and how she brought him in. And he was just like going to swingers clubs and fucking all kinds of people and couples. And he was with her for about a year. She really turned him on to the lifestyle. He realized he really liked being with couples and being with a man's wife. And that's what he did for the next many years. Okay. He wound up as a single guy after she moved out of town, just like banging couples. And he said he was with over 100 couples in the time that he was doing it. He wasn't really that picky. And he says that

himself. It's kind of funny. But so because he wasn't picky, he wound up meeting a lot of couples. And he talks about what he did with them, what he liked to do. He experienced all kinds of couples that were into all kinds of different things. And he talks about that. He talks about how hard it was for him at first to meet couples and then what he learned when he was putting himself out there to meet more couples, how he became a professional. And then, like I said, we talk about all the different kinds of couples he met and the things that they would have him do and the way things were set up. And he gives me some interesting stories as well as talks about how eventually over time,

sometimes he started to feel used. And he sometimes felt not so great about what he was doing with these couples because of the way they treated him. And he talks a lot about that, how, what it's like as that third person coming into a situation where you're hooking up with a couple and how it feels to be sort of kicked out right after sex or sometimes, you know, how it feels to be kept around a long time after sex. He talks about sometimes people that cross some boundaries. He did wind up eventually hooking up with guys. He was never into that, but it was something that he tried over time. He talks about that as well. There was a lot of oral with guys. Eventually he did wind up

topping a guy and that was something that happened by accident and he talks about that and how that made him feel. But he's one of those guys that doesn't consider himself bisexual or into guys at all. Eventually though, he did get to a point where he started to not be into the lifestyle. He started to realize like this was maybe an addiction for him and he did a lot of soul searching. this was a guy that was living two lives. He had a vanilla life and he had his lifestyle life. And he was living his lifestyle life for a long time. Like I said, he fucked over a hundred couples. He was doing this from like in the late 20s to his 40s. Even when he dated girls, he would stop going in lifestyle. Sometimes he would cheat on them. And he just didn't like doing that anymore. Eventually, he cleaned up his act and he wound up meeting a girl. And that was the first girl that he wound up being honest about his pass with. She was very accepting of. it and they're together now and he's no longer in the lifestyle. We talk about his whole journey. It's super interesting. There's so many different layers to it. This is a guy that has been there, fucking done that and could care less now. He's like a guy that could be monogamous because

he wasn't for so long. Anyway, it's a super interesting story. So I'm going to be right back on with Dave. Hi, Dave. Welcome to the Strictly Namas podcast. How are you today all the way over there in Australia? I'm very well, Kathy. Thank you for having me on. Well, thanks for emailing me. I've had a lot of people on from Australia. You are a guy that used to play in the lifestyle solo. You played with couples. You did a lot of different things. You're going to talk about the good, the bad, and the ugly because it did cause problems in your relationship. But currently you're in a relationship with a woman who you were honest with about it and she was cool. But you're not doing anything. I don't even think you're not even engaging in the lifestyle with her. I don't know. We'll work our way up until the present time. But first, let's go like all the way back. Well, let's just say like, how old are you right now?

I'm 45 now. Okay, you're 45. So when did you start playing in the lifestyle and doing alternative things? Probably would have been in my mid to late 20s, I believe. I randomly met a girl out

in a bar one night. She was older than me and we're just chatting away and she asked me why I wasn't seeing anyone and I jokingly said because I like group sex and she said, so do I. And then she just introduced me to the lifestyle and took me along to a club and everything. So, yeah, I kind of got into it by default, I guess, being drunk and telling. No, but what a weird Freudian slip.

Like, you just threw that out there. I don't know. On some level, you knew you were destined for a life of group sex because what an odd thing to say to a chick if you're trying to pick her up in a bar. Most girls would have ran for the hills. This girl was like, oh, I love group sex. Most girls, that would have been like the worst pickup line on the planet. It was quite funny. I was just being a little, I was just being a bit cheeky and she said that.

And because I said that, then I had to follow through. Oh, my God. So tell me about that first experience with her. So first time she took me to a club and just a local club in the town I live and a city I live, I should say. And then, yeah, we, it was winning there and I was just like, I was just a deer in the headlights. I guess is the best way to describe it.

not knowing what went on and everything. She was bisexual, so we met up with a couple. And to be honest, I'd just kind of sat back and watched most of it. She was definitely leading the way forward. But, yeah, it was just an eyeing experience. And, yeah, I just got a taste of the lifestyle. And her and I stayed together. We didn't start together.

We were just friends with benefits for probably 12 months. And, yeah, she just showed me more and more what she liked and what we did. And, yeah, we just had a lot of fun. Yeah, but like, how was that for you, though? Was it, were you super horny when you were watching her with another guy? Were you turned on by it? Were you nervous? Did you engage that first time?

100% turned on by it and also 100% nervous because it was daunting. But yeah, just being naked in front of other people who only just met. Yeah, the other guy was there as well. And watching him having sex with my partner at the time. It was just, yeah, it was just a whole gamut of emotions, I guess. There's everything that was a lot of nerves, but also a lot of excitement. I was really turned on by it all as well. So you, like, I mean, listen, this wasn't a girlfriend of yours that you were in love with.

So maybe it's not that, it's not that loaded because what do you give a shit if you see or fuck somebody else? You weren't even emotionally attached to her. So it's kind of like you're just going in a one-night stand girl, right? But you loved watching her have sex with someone else. Yeah, 100%. And probably, and then seeing the other couple as well, especially like the other wife, And having been able to play with her, I guess that's where it just all started from because that was, I guess, a taboo, like having sex with another man's wife. Because that's what you wind up getting into. That's a big part of what you were doing in the lifestyle was hooking up with couples.

And you did like the fact that you're like fucking another man's wife. Basically, that's, yeah, that was the, I guess the turn on for me was like I was doing something with another guy's wife. Yeah. Or girlfriend or whatever partner. And in today's society, that's not, that's true. and it was also like that no commitment's just fun part of it as well where i could go have the fun play with them and then there was nothing there's nothing there's nothing no no ramifications from it so that was also part of the reason i did it as well oh of course so many young guys in their 20s that's what they're looking for no strings attached but they can't find it a lot yeah

exactly right so but yeah the biggest thing is yeah just playing with another guys Well, so that night you watched her fuck another guy. I'm assuming you got her to watch her be with another woman. That was like a first for you too? That was definitely the first. Yeah, I was watching. She was very openly bisexual. And yeah, she was first time I'd seen a girl go down on another girl.

And it was hot. It was definitely hot. But then you got to fuck that guy's wife that first time. So you did engage. You didn't just watch. No, no, no, 100%. Yeah, I did engage. And I joined in.

And yeah, I was fucking her. Yeah, it was just one big mess at the end of the night, naked mess. There was group sacks like you had signed up for. Correct, exactly. It's exactly what I started, what I mentioned at that first night. Yeah, that's awesome. Okay, so now you saw her for 12 months, and you always, was that your go-to place, like just go into the club all the time and, you know, hook it up in the lifestyle?

Sometimes it was a club. Sometimes we had a profile on her page, and she ran it all. to be honest. So she's the one that organized the meetups and everything. Sometimes it might have been just a girl. We never did just with a guy. She preferred playing with girls mostly. But yeah, she did that for 12 months. And yeah, it was a lot. We did a lot. We experienced a lot. It was a lot. She introduced me to a lot. So you guys were doing threesomes. You were going to the clubs, having group sex. You were, it was, you guys were down for business. And she was such a professional that she was like making everything happen. How old was she, by the way?

she was 34 35 I think wow do you know her story like how did she get involved in that scene she told me she was from another city and she just moved she just moved into the city I was in for a 12 month contract and where she was originally from she said her story was her and a partner at the time randomly had a threason with another girl like a friend of theirs and then they started doing they got into the lifestyle and they broke up and then yeah that was Yeah, she was she did it with her previous partner, I guess the best way to say it. So her last boyfriend turned her onto it. And then when she moves to this new city, she decides to, she likes it.

So she gets involved in the Swinger community to find people to hook up with. Correct. Yeah. And she was like looking for someone to do it with. Yeah. She didn't want to do it on her own. So and randomly else the stars came in Chalana in a pub one night. Now, did you wind up falling in love with her or was she just strictly always friends of benefits through that whole 12 months?

Always friends with benefits. It was very, she knew she was only there for a short time for the 12-month period. And I wasn't looking for anything serious at the time. And it was just purely just purely just purely benefits. So it would be almost like, I guess the best way to describe it was like almost like she would just, when she had a nerd, she would ring me up or she wanted to do something. She would ring me up. There was no going out for dinners or dates or anything like that. It was just purely a sexual thing. You have a great booty call, great booty call situation, successful booty call situation for a whole year. She really was like a gift for you. Correct. And they kind of like introduced me and had a mentor to introduce me into the lifestyle and showed me how to do things. Yeah. Now I know that eventually you do get into doing stuff with guys and the couples as well. Now at this point while you're in the lifestyle, do you start to realize that maybe you'd be open to guy and guy action or does that come later down the line? I definitely like at that time now had no interest in doing that at all like playing with guys. It was always 100% straight. The girl could be by not a problem, but for me, yeah, I wasn't into that at all. This, as I would say, what's on the last, all that side developed. Isn't that interesting? Because listen, I think sometimes people think, oh, anyone that's into guys or girls are same sex, it's something that you always have or had to be there before.

You know, you're a guy. You're here to say you're a guy who had no interest whatsoever in guys. You were even in the lifestyle for a while before you decided to experiment and then realize you like it. I'm assuming. Yeah, and the first time it happened, it was a couple contacted me and just, like, one of the first communications was, oh, we, the husband wanted to experiment. And I was like, I've never done that. To be honest, I was just horny that night. And I thought, oh, I got, I'll just go.

Because they're available. And you're like, I'll deal with the guy when I get there. I just want to fuck the wife. Yeah, exactly. And that was, to be honest, like that was a lot of the lifestyle for me was like the availability. of being able to do it on short notice or meeting a couple. I wouldn't say it was always about having sex with glamorous people. It was just that availability is the best way to put it.

So you weren't that picky is what you're saying? Oh, 100% not. I like your honesty. Yeah. You'd fuck anyone. Exactly. There were times I would be like a whole, oh yeah, and I'd be driving away. Like I'd meet up with a couple.

I'll be driving away and I'd be like, what the hell did I do that? Oh my God. But let me ask you this. When you were doing that, like when you know you were going to see a couple and the wife maybe wasn't what you were interested in, let's be nice and say it that way. Did you, like, have your beer goggles on? Did you, like, drink a lot before you walked in the house or did you do it completely sober? Generally, most of the times it would have been sober. Yeah.

It would have been sober, but maybe loaded up on blue pills. So it didn't matter. Because your heart on was ruling your life is what you're saying. You weren't thinking with your dick. Yeah, I'll say to you, when you see people on the street and you look at him and, you know, I can think, I wouldn't, I'm not interested in her. She's not good looking. But when you're in that mindset where it is that lifestyle, that swing a lifestyle, where the woman becomes a lot more sexy. Yeah.

Because she's got that naughty side to her and that appealed to me. The look was, okay, you had the, the looks were nice, but that side where you're like, oh, she's into being kinky and doing things, that was a major turn on as well, added points. So it's like, it's like they were sexy. They might have not been factually good looking, but you were tapping into them being super sexy. And what's more sexy than a woman that's totally open sexually in ways that most women aren't? 100%. It was that was a massive turn. Again, yeah, on the flip side, you can have a very good looking person.

But sexually, they're not adventurous. They're quite boring. Yeah, uptight. It doesn't matter how good looking they are. Yeah, so that's interesting. So like you started to really, it wasn't about the looks. You weren't selective. but you found, though, that even when you showed up to these places where the people weren't attractive, it was a hot sex.

It was a good time. Correct. Yeah, 100%. It was, yeah, because everyone was, it's a lot more adventurous. The sex would be good. Sometimes it wasn't good, but it wasn't bad either. But, yeah, like, it was just the excitement of it all, I guess, like just the excitement of, you know, playing with an only man's wife. Having a sexually open woman just really opened things up and made things exciting.

Interesting. Yeah, that's an interesting angle that no one's ever brought up, but I totally get it. So, all right. So now let's go back to when that girl splits town. Now, you're on your own. Are you involved in the lifestyle enough with her that you met like people in there? So you just continue on? Not really. Like when she left, I was kind of, I kind of stopped, I guess, for a little bit because I thought, there's no way single guys can get into this lifestyle because it's very, this is a long time ago. Yeah. Clicky as more of a couple's thing. Yeah. And also, like, the web pages were still developing,

it was still a growing community, I guess, is the best way to put it. Not as many people did it back then. So I had a bit of a break from it, and then probably six to 12 months after she left, I created my own profile on the page, and I quickly learned out that being a single guy in the lifestyle was a lot more difficult than being than being a couple.

That's true. Definitely, yeah, couples are a lot more. very undated, obviously. And I had to learn as well to, it wasn't about me, I guess. A lot of the times couples do this because it's about them. Like they need to enhance their relationship. And I had to realize it, hey, I'm being invited to play with a couple. Not they are there to fuck them.

I'm being inviting to their special intimate world to help them at the end of the day. But also, I got off on it as well. Yeah, you're getting something out of it. But you get that it's kind of like two. against one. They're not there trying to do you a favor. You're kind of like doing them the favor kind of thing. 100%. That's exactly what it is. Yeah. I've heard from women on the other end. Like I remember talking to one unicorn who talked about that same exact thing, but from a standpoint of that actually bothering her, that she wasn't kind of equal in that scenario. And so you could see how some people

might not be able to handle that dynamic because that's really what's going on. It is kind of an unfair balance, right? But you didn't care because you're having fun. Fucking is their wife and you're getting something out of it. And that was cool with you, right? Yeah. Yeah, correct. Like at the time when I was right into it, yeah, it didn't really bother me whatsoever.

I'd probably say that longer I was in it, the more you'd probably probably bolting. Sometimes I did feel, I did feel like just a piece of me. Yeah. Like you're being used. Being used and quite demanding sometimes. We're a couple of like, well, where, well, right now you need to get here right now. otherwise we're going to find someone else like that type of demands. Wow.

And that did, yeah, did start playing on, and as I got older and was looking for a bit more than just sex, not with the couples, but obviously my own person was. Yeah. It was like, well, I feel like I'm just being used here for them. I wouldn't say like all couples were like that, but there was definitely somewhere, yeah, I was just a play thing. Yeah. Like I said, the first time I heard it from a unicorn, I was like, wow, I would never think

of that because I've never been a unicorn and you don't really think about how it out for that person because typically I'm talking to the couple. But, you know, it is important to think about that third person because I do believe they're like the odd man out. And a lot of couples like you're saying don't consider that third person in a way that they consider each other. Because at the end of the day, they have their own relationship already. You're not someone that's coming home for Thanksgiving dinner. So what the fuck do they care about you? I think that of course it's not going to be every couple cheats you like garbage but I could imagine starting to feel that way yeah correct yeah it would

be even like yeah at the end of like you go on would be you know sex whatever then almost like being pushed out the door yeah and the couples would be like right they'd see you like oh like it wasn't all couples like there definitely other couples really opposite like yeah no hang around we'll we'll chill out for a while and chat and that was great also sometimes that went too far where they did like a wanted me to stay the night and yeah there was kind of a boundary where you had to get it right but yeah but being pushed out was always yeah made you feel yeah I feel like I'm just being used yeah or but sometimes they want you to stay and you're like I just want to go the fuck home I don't want to stay over yeah exactly it's like I've overstayed now I want to get out of here

yeah oh my god it's such a fine line it just goes to show that finding the perfect thing quote unquote is always hard no matter what you're doing it's not like correct that's Exactly right. And everyone, everyone's different. Everyone is different in their attitudes and what they're looking for. Some people in their lifestyle, they want all friendship as well. Where they want to go out for dinner and hang out and go watch the game of sport. Honestly, that wasn't me. I didn't want friends in the lifestyle. Some people did. They're like, oh, yeah, we're having a barbecue tomorrow. You should come over. I'm like, with your vanilla friends? They're like, yeah, yeah. I'm like, yeah, not my thing. But wait, let's go back to what you were doing with the couples early on. So, like, she leaves 10. I'm assuming somehow you get back involved in hooking on couples. Hoking up with couples, did you start your own profile and start pimping yourself out as like a guy?

Yep. Start a man profile. Of course, had a lot of time on just sending messages to couples, getting their responses. Probably learning what to put into my profile as well, what pictures, what descriptions and everything. That was a big learning curve. So it would have been, honestly say, like probably two years before I actually got back into the full. the swing of things. Oh, wow. Well, what did you learn during that time? Just, you know, that whole, you know, like thinking that it was all about me was originally when I went in,

it's all about me. Hey, I'm here just to hook up. I'm just going to put it out, you know, hey, I'm down to party any time. And obviously, trying to have the dick picks in the profile and everything. Yeah, that doesn't work. Doesn't work. But then having to change, like, the descriptions, I'm happy to meet couples. I understand. It's about the, about you guys, not about me. I understand the boundaries. I respect discretion. There's been a lot more, I guess, not as aggressive in what I was looking for.

I'm trying to explain who I am and what's, I guess, almost what I can offer to the group. That's a couple. Makes sense. Yeah, it is just about, and also saying your experience, like learning, getting experience as well. Like couples also didn't want to play with a newbie guy. I want someone who's got experience. But you didn't sound like a newbie. were you? Did you still consider yourself a newbie at that point?

As a single guy, I said it's totally different playing with a, like being in a couple to being a single guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The whole attitude has to change. You have to be almost a little bit more, not submissive, but you have to standoffish to begin with. Like, you have to wait for the couple to go, okay, now we want to play with you or talk to you.

When you're a couple, it's just like everyone just gets together and goes to it. Because you were playing with her, I forgot. Yeah, yeah. So the dynamics change. I guess that's the word I use a lot is understanding the dynamic playing with a couple. And walk me through like your first couple that you met. I mean, do you have so many you can't remember? How many fucking couples did you fuck?

I would hate to count if I'm honest with you. Well, let me ask you this. Is it over 100? Or is it between 50 and 100? Is it between 1 and 50? I think I remember. I probably did it for 15 years. I would probably say it'd be close to.

to 100 couples, I'd say. Like, the longer I was in it, the more I understood, the more I knew how to communicate with couples and the more success I had. And obviously, on a lot of the sites, you'd get validations from other couples and friends, friend requests and everything. So that also added to it. So the more validations you had for other couples, the more couples are interested in playing with you. That makes sense.

And also, you were like really open and down. I mean, you weren't picky, remember you said that. So it's kind of like if a couple was interested in you, you were going to hook up with them. It wasn't like you ever said no, right? I would assume. Yeah. There would be sometimes where I just wouldn't meet the couple because I'd see their

pictures. I'd be like, yeah, I'm not down with that. That would have been a minority, I would say. Majority, I would have just, I kind of had a period of a couple, especially if they message me first. Yeah. I said if they've gone the effort into communicating with me, like the decent thing to do is to communicate with them because I understood the messages I sent to couples and got no

responses. And sometimes I'd email couples just asking questions. That they were newbies and they might not have been interested in. Like I might have been interested in meeting up but they were a bit nervous and I'd just be like building up asking questions about what I did and my experiences and everything.

So it's just fair. I just thought it was a decent thing. Like someone sent me a message I would reply. So now was every couple different in what they wanted? Because I've heard some funny stories from quote unquote bulls, right? They call a lot of times the guy that's showing up to fuck the couple, like the bull that they bring in.

I don't know. But you're the guy they're calling in. I've heard some funny stories about the guy hiding in the closet. Sometimes the guy's sitting there watching. Sometimes the guy's directing. Sometimes he's taking part and you're having like a real threesome and there's DV. P. Like there's DV action going.

Did you do all those kinds of scenarios? All of the above. All of the above. Like even, I've got a lot of stories. be here all night. Yeah, tell me a couple. Tell me some good ones. Like funny,

hot, terrible. Probably one of the, like it's funny and strangest experiences. I got contacted by this couple. And I had a bit of back and forth communication. And they basically invited me out to their house. And in the message, I said,

well, when you get here, don't knock on the front door, walk around the side door, coming through the side door, and we'll be waiting for you. Okay? And so they gave me the address. And it was quite a,

distance away and it was out in the country, out in the countryside. So I'm driving out, it's probably about an hour drive, an hour and a half drive. And then on the way out there and basically there was no street lights, there was acreage, so big blocks of land, very, very dark. And I remember pulling up at the front of their house. Because I told me not to drive down the driveway, they told me to just park out the front. Yeah. And they had a very, very long, very long driveway. And I'm like, so I got out my car and I'm like, this is like one of these stories where my body is found 12 years later buried somewhere. Oh my God.

Because I'm like, obviously I'm not going out and telling family or my friends, hey, I know. Your poor mother is someplace just not realizing that her son might be killed. Oh, my God. Exactly. So I'm walking down this driveway and I'm like thinking there's someone going to jump out and kill me or whatever. Anyway, I get to the house and, of course, the front door. And I thought, okay, not the front door.

I walk around the side of the house. and I opened the door. I knocked on the door and they said, come in, I opened up. And there was a couple sitting there like in front of, and like just, it looked like they were just having a serious, very nicely dressed. I had a very deep conversation. I said, oh, good evening, would you? It's like a glass of wine.

And we started, they were very intelligent people. I forget what he did, but very, very smart people. I think I worked at the university and having that was theological discussion. And I'm like sitting there going, have I turned up at the wrong house? and, you know, because maybe I'm expecting someone else because I still asking me my opinions on things and I just didn't have much to say. I was making it up as I was winging it as I went.

And I thought, I turned up at the wrong house. And she was very nicely dressed, very nerdy, I guess, looking. So same thing, not looking at her you think, nothing special. But then they went, okay, would you like to come to our playroom? I went, okay. And walked in and they had a sex dungeon. That's what I was thinking. That's where I thought you were going.

And next thing, and the door shut, next thing they're ripping their clothes off. They're like ripping my clothes off. And it's like, what the hell is just Hopkins? I wasn't complaining. But it was just like this like shock going, here we were talking this deep intellectual conversation. Now I've got these two, a kinky couple going crazy. Yeah. And how many of their friends only know that other side?

You know what I mean? And I have no idea. That's exactly. right. I was like thinking like I bet you in their normal world because they were like ironically I bumped in them on the street once with their family and oh my god. You would not tell they just they just look like I wouldn't even say they look like a normal everyday couple they were very just very up like well-to-do uptight couple yeah very very conservative I guess is a word I'm looking for and I'm like yeah I know what we were doing a few weeks ago and it was not what not the picture

I'm seeing here in front of me yeah there's no way those other people that were with them know about that dungeon in their house or that sex room right yeah it was funny because he had the camera out he was directing oh yeah fuck my wife bender over do this to her and i'm like just you're going what the hell oh my god but was that super hot to you that was probably interesting i wouldn't like it was hot but i wouldn't say it was like super super super hot yeah it was just a it's an experience and i don't think the directing things not really like guy filming and directing me it's not really my thing what is your thing I like everyone all in.

Oh, okay. He joins in. Everyone's in their plane. Yeah, like the guy's sitting back watching, I've done that. But I always feel like I'm always looking over my shoulder thinking what's going on here. But I like it when everyone's just naked on the bed, rolling about having fun. Yeah. It's some of the funniest stories are from the Bulls talking about the husband and seeing like their beady eyes looking from, you know, from the closet or under the bed or on the side.

crawling around. That kind of shit is hilarious. I feel like that is probably distracting. I don't know. It is. I've even had a couple. They wanted to meet in a car park and I was in the car with the wife and the husband was like looking through the window.

There was a lot of that going on. Yeah. Listen, I can understand how some people could really role play that scenario and get into it. But I can also understand if you're a stranger coming into that, it's hard to get into that role and stay there. You know what I mean? You got to be like a. fucking Tom Cruise to be able to get into that shit.

So it's very, you have to really, you have to get into the, I think it's hard to do with the total stranger. You're just meeting and then get into character and suspend all reality and have somebody peering through the car and everything. Like, I get why they could get into it because they know each other. It's their fucking fantasy. But for you, I could see why it would be difficult. Yeah.

At the end of the day, like I'm not, not a performer. I'm not a actor. And that was also part of it. Like I said before, like I felt like I was being used. That was part of it. I felt like that was expected to reform like a dance monkey. So it definitely changed. When I was younger, it didn't really worry me.

But when I got older, I felt like I'm just being an actor here or being like used as a piece of meat. Yeah. So, yeah, but yeah, I've had a lot of crazy experiences with couples. And it's amazing, as I said, the people you least expect are normally the kinkiest ones. That's what I'm always trying to say on my show. That's what my show is all about. Like you people think that the people that are doing these kinds of crazy things

or I don't know what people think that they are. But they're definitely not what they are, which is just regular people. Just the regular people you see walking around. Like even you said, oh, that couple you wouldn't expect them. But would anyone expect you when you, if you were walking around the street that you lived this life? No, probably not.

I'm sure you look like average Joe walking down the fucking street, right? Come on. But yeah, listen to your life. You fucked over 100 couples. You're in dungeons with people. I mean, come on. Yeah. There's a lot of crazy things.

And a lot of just, yeah, it's just surprising how many people have actually either into the lifestyle or had experimented in the lifestyle. Yeah. Were you going to clubs at that time, too, besides like all this couple action that you were getting or was just the couple thing, your thing? No, I was going to clubs. I wouldn't say I would go regularly to a club. Yeah. I'm more enjoyed, like my scene was just meeting a couple. So that's what you prefer.

Yeah, preferred. Like, sometimes I'd go to parties and I'd meet the couples and I'd like me to parties. I wasn't really into gangbangs as such. Not a one girl and 10 guys standing around. That's not really my thing. It was definitely, I liked a good, like, either at least a couple or a couple of other people. But a mix, not just all. It's not like a gangbang situation.

That wasn't my scene at all. Yeah, yeah. Interesting. Yeah, I like a little bit of intimacy, whereas a gang bang has just felt like you're just sticking your dick in a hole and then moving on. Yeah, listen, it's interesting that you were in the lifestyle for so long and because you're doing it so low, you really got to taste everything. And I think everybody's into different things.

Some people, I think that they would love the whole gangbang setup, but I could see somebody not being. I think everything is very specific and different. And everything has a different kind of feeling. feel for it and because you were doing this for so long, like I said, you got to try everything. So you really know what you were, what you were into, what you weren't into. Yeah. Yeah.

Like, I definitely experienced a lot, which I, like, when I first got into lifestyle, like, if you said what I was looking for, to what I ended up preferring the total, like, polar, polar opposites. So what would, what would have the answer been, like, what you were looking for when you wound up in there, would it be group sex and then the answer at the end would be just couples? How would those answers be different? Well, initially it was probably whatever I could get in terms of a single woman, a couple, a gangbang, a party, and whatever I could get. At the end, I was probably more looking.

My preference was still couples at the end. I probably developed, like initially it was whatever I could get. But towards the end, I wasn't really interested in playing with single women. I always like the excitement of at least a three-cent. And also like probably a little bit more bi-clay, like people who are a bit more experimental. I found couples with the guy was by or by curious, or heteroreflexible or everyone described,

was definitely a lot more open and a lot easier to talk with. Interesting. And have fun with. So that was probably my preference at the end was more that. And it's kind of that weird. Like I've heard some people on your show talk about like, I wouldn't consider myself bisexual.

But in a couple situation, I don't have an issue playing with guys. Yeah. So let's talk about that though now because I know that you said it came up later. There was a couple that hit you up and said that the guy was open to trying something and you were just like going there just to hook up. And so what happened in that, like why that time? What was that experience like?

If I'm honest with you, I guess it was, I don't know. I don't know what drove me that night. I thought, I think, yeah, I was just available. I was horny. I wouldn't even say that I'd been looking at any type of porn like that. Yeah. I guess I was just open to experiment. And so what went down?

So basically, we met a couple of the bar. They wanted to make sure I was legit and went back to their place. And she told me that he had never played with a guy before. And they liked, I read my profile, like my profile, and thought that I'd be open to things. And yeah, we just all started making out. And then, yeah, it would have been the first time I touched a guy's dick. I just reached over and grabbed his cock.

And she lost her mind. She was so excited about it all. She's like, oh, my God, that's so hot. And I learned a lot that night where there's a lot of girls who enjoy watching guys play. Also, there's all, I also learned there's a lot of guys who are, who will, you know, will suck another guy's dick, we'll play with a guy. But they're not bisexual or anything. There's still a big stigma in the lifestyle about that.

I know. Huge, which is surprising. And even like when I had my profiles, I would never say that I was, you know, by curious or by anything like because there'd be a lot of straight couples out there that would just freak them out. Totally. Or a lot of organizations. Yeah. Where the guy would be like, oh, I'm not, you know, I'm not gay. Well, neither am I.

I don't find you attract you. Listen, maybe that first couple was lying and that guy was always suck a dick, but they just pretended that he was kind of looking for maybe experimenting. No, no, no, because I got to know them. I started in contact with them for quite a few years. And it was, honestly, they just say, yeah, that was the first time we'd ever done anything like that. And that was the first time for you, too. So that's kind of like the perfect couple probably to try to go there with, right? Yeah, it was.

It was. And it just, it was made it more comfortable where I got my, found my feet and he found his feet. But in the end, it was very sexy because everyone could play with each other. How far did you go? with him. It was just a lot of, just a lot of sucking cock. Okay.

Oral. Yeah. Oral, yeah. I did make out with a guy or anything like that. Uh-huh. And that's mostly in the life so I want to find. There's a lot of guys out there who want to suck a dick. Yep.

Not very many want to be fucked or anything like that. Not a lot want to make out with a guy. They just want to play with another guy's dick. Yeah. I hear that all the time. For most of the guys that call up that just like sometimes want to suck a dick, that's all they want to do. And they don't even care if their dick get sucked.

They just want a dick in their mouth. Exactly. And I can say, me, I don't find men attractive on their own. Yeah. Like, I don't, I'm not interested in going out and hooking up with a guy one-on-one, not my scene. Yeah. Where I had experience with guys was in a couple situations. Now, did you, so you, did you ever, you've never gone further than oral with a guy?

Oh, that's right. Have you ever gone, like, further than oral? with a guy or as you've only done oral with a guy that's all you've ever done. No, no, no. I've had, I've had experiences with a couple guys where they wanted to be fucked. Okay, so you talked? Yes. I've topped, yeah, I've talked. I haven't, I've never bought him, they've always

topped. To be honest, the first time it happened, I wasn't, I was laying on the bed, he was sucking my cock, his wife was riding my face. And I, we didn't discuss any of this. The next thing, he jumped on top of it and, yeah, stood me inside his ass. Like, I was not expecting that.

How was it? It was interesting. Yeah, it was a hole. And it was just weird. A tight hole. He was, yeah. Yeah. And he was also one of those couples where he came across as super straight.

But when we got into bed, he was, oh, no, I want to do this, I want to do that. But he never discussed about the next, like, me fucking him. Yeah, he just jumped on top and started, he just jumped on top and started riding me. and his wife was playing with his cock. And it was a bit surreal, I guess. I guess I was a bit shocked at the time because I wasn't expecting that that to happen. They didn't discuss it. And that was the first time you ever did that.

Yeah, correct. And, you know, as I said, like, that was probably where I started getting those feelings about, hey, I'm just being used to it. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah, because they were right into each other. And I was just laying there and, like, they were just, I was just like, ignored. And she was like, oh, I'm so, baby. So I'm so proud if you're doing this.

I'm like, I'm not. going on here. And I was like I was just almost a dildo line there and while he was doing that. So it's kind of a weird yeah, it's just weird and I guess because they hadn't discussed it with me. They hadn't been open about what they wanted.

Totally. That's not cool. Yeah, it's kind of not cool. Yeah, that's what said at the time. I'm like, oh, whatever. Later on you're like, oh, hang on, that probably wasn't. That wasn't cool. They should have spoke to me first. Yeah. And I just think, listen, when I heard from the first unicorn who talked

about the experience from her standpoint and these, and she was talking about these kinds of things. I was like, wow, I would never even think about it. And sometimes I wonder if some of these couples even consider you at all, but not, and I don't think that they do sometimes, but I don't think it's a purposeful thing. Do you know what I'm saying? I think that they're not even thinking that you have feelings too,

which they should. You should, that should be a fucking given, but I just don't think that they're doing it on purpose, but they don't understand. No, no. I'm correct. I 100% agree. They're like they don't,

they're not doing it willfully. They just, they're in their own world. Yeah. They're in their own world, which is, which is cool. But also,

I do have feelings as well. And it's, you still, you still want to be acknowledged as a participant in what's going on. Yeah, absolutely. It was a learning lesson for me when I heard that. And I was like,

wow, more people should know that because it's not cool to treat that person like that. So now, because you were looking, listen, you're in the lifestyle for a really long time, but you're a young guy. Now, over this time, I'm assuming you're looking for checks, you're dating people.

What's going on in that part of your life? Yeah, this is, I guess, the duopoly of it. Like, I had my vanilla life and then I had my swinging life. And I kept the two compartmentalized. I didn't want to cross them over at all. So it would be a case when I was, when I meet a girl out of the tent. I meet a girl, normal dating. I would then cut back on my swinging lifestyle.

But I wouldn't be open with her about it because I'd always had that stigma like it would freak the girl out. And I guess I was also looking for something different in my dating world where I didn't want a sex fiend because in the lifestyle, like it is just purely a physical interaction. You're not there for a relationship. You're out there just have sex with someone. Right. And I'd say I felt an addiction. Like the lifestyle was an addiction to me. where I'd feel this need to, like I'd be dating, I'd be happy in my personal life dating a girl,

but then I would, I would want to go have group sex and I'd want to go have random sex. And I would inevitably be pulled, drawn back into it. And I'd either break up with the girl or I would maybe cheat on her behind her back. Because it was a lifestyle where it was, you could just go in no commitments, have a quick fuck with a couple and then go back to your normal life. Yeah. So I probably had to, yeah, I think once. I realize I think I do have a sex addiction and that's when I started changing like thinking deeper about why am I doing this.

Yeah. Yeah. And there's a lot of relations where I had a lot of great women who didn't deserve how I treated them in the end. And so what did you find out about yourself when you started looking into that? I need like a lot of the sex I also thought it was just it was meaningless sex but it was also like making myself like attempting to make myself feel good. I'd be feeling not attractive or I needed to that reassurance that hey I can still I can have sex with anyone and it was I guess the stage where it made me I attempting to make myself feel good at the end of it I would feel like I was doing it I was just going through the motions of as I said like I had sex with couples or women who I look you know I probably should never have done that so they weren't nine out of tens or anything like that and just feeling dirty with myself as I was walking away and why did a lot of

do that I feel so, you know, disgusted in myself. And it just sort of, I learned myself, I'm not doing, like it was, I wasn't, I'm doing it for pleasure, but I was more doing it to try and make myself feel good about who I was. That's not where you're going to get self-esteem from, right? I mean, it comes from yourself. It doesn't come from other people, but you were like going out, looking and fucking all these people and thinking they're going to make you feel better about yourself. But it's, you're chasing the dragon because that's not where it's going to come from is

what you eventually realize. Correct. Yeah. Correct. I eventually realized that. And with my current partner, like she was, when we first started dating, like, she was sexually active as well. Like, she wasn't an angel by any means. But she was the first partner I was actually 100% open with.

I'd stop playing at that stage when I met her. But, yeah, I just was very open with her about what I got up to and everything. And she was not freaked out by it at all. She was just very, well, that's who you are. That's what you were. So it was just that relief that, hey, I'm not a, like someone is, accepting of what I've done in my past. Because she came out,

she's done what she got to in her past, and she was no angel either. But it was just realizing that it's not, I had a lot of fun, but it's not, the swinging lifestyle wasn't who I am. I probably made it more into my swinging lifestyle was what I wanted to be.

Like that was my purpose. But yeah, it's after I stopped doing it and met her, like I'm actually a good person. I'm a decent guy. Yeah, I actually, just think that you're never going to meet somebody that's going to accept you for you until you have gotten to the point where you accept you. You know, at that point, it sounds like you had finally

come full circle, right? You knew what the fuck you were doing it for. You knew why it wasn't right. You had stopped doing it. And I think you finally accepted it and understood it for what it was. when that's why someone shows up in your life and you could accept you as well. And I just think that people are always a mirror of where we're at in life. So I always think that, you know, figure your shit out before you dump your shit onto someone else. Because most likely if you haven't figured it out yet, someone's going to maybe not be so positive about your shit. But you were finally at the point I think you were okay with it. And you met someone that was okay with it too.

Yeah, exactly. Right. I think when I was doing, like when I was right into the lifestyle, I was doing, I didn't want commitment in my life. Yeah. And it provided an outlet where I could have fun without any commitments. But what I was doing, I was, I guess it wasn't a commitment for it, but I was just running from myself. Yeah. I wasn't committing to myself. So, yeah, it did.

Don't get wrong. I had a lot of fun, a lot of great people, enjoyed my time and the lifestyle. Do I still have thoughts about it? Yeah, of course, every day. I think about the things I got up to and maybe it would be good to go. back to it, but then I looked deep inside and go, yeah, but generally it was, it was a lot of work. It was like a full time. Yeah, I could imagine.

It consumed a lot of my life and a lot of my spare time. I wouldn't say like I was, every experience was the most amazing thing in my life. So there was a lot of disappointments. Yeah, well, listen, as an addict of myself, a lot of times, like when you're using something to distract yourself, it is, it has to be time consuming. That's the point. You know what I mean? Like it was a big fat distraction for you to maybe start your life or whatever it was

or to work on that part of yourself that you wanted to feel better about yourself. But by the time you figured that all out, then you were really ready to start your life. Maybe this was just your way of not starting your life, which I think sometimes happens for a lot of people, especially in your 20s. I think being in your 20s is a very difficult time because you go from being like someone who could like fuck off and do whatever you want to having to take your life. very seriously and figure out very important questions for yourself. Like what do I want to do for the rest of my life? Who am I going to be with for the rest of my life? When I think a lot of times people have a hard,

that's a hard transition. And so why not pick up something to distract yourself and instead of make those decisions, just fuck off more when that's what you did. But how old were you when you met that girl? The girl you're with now. Yeah, I was in my 40, so 42. Oh, okay.

So you played around for a lot. long time. Oh, a very, very long time. Yeah, I do look back on it and I'm like, God, yeah, I did that for a long time. I wonder. And my parents used to always, well, I'd never had any serious long-term girlfriend. I looked back and go, well, if you knew. Send them this episode or don't.

Yeah, yeah. My job at the time, I was traveling all around the world, all around the country. I was just having fun. But I guess like everything, the fun stops or doesn't become as much fun. Yeah. And I just remember meeting her out one night and just went, wow, I've just met someone. And just we had a good long conversation. We went into a lot of topics and even touch on the lifestyle and everything.

And it was just felt, I'm ready. I don't need the lifestyle anymore. Yeah, that's great. And now how long into your relationship with her did you tell her? Was it like right off the bat in the beginning when you guys were talking? Right off the bat. I almost felt like I did it to try and scare her. I was talking and she was open about her past as well.

And I said, oh, I've got one bed and this will probably scare her off. And I was just telling her everything. Because I wouldn't say I was looking for, I wanted a relationship, but I wasn't. Yeah. It was like that you want what you don't have. Yeah. And that wasn't, yeah, it was just, I don't know, just the stars came into a line and I told her things. And she was like, she wasn't like, some people, oh, that's so hot or whatever,

or that's real freaky. It was like, oh, well, yeah, that's what you did. And I think she said, were you happy doing all that? And it was like the first time someone actually asked me, like said, are you happy, are you happy doing that? And I was like, yeah, that's a deep question. Yeah, that, I think that's a smart girl that asked that question. She's going to get a lot of information by how you answer that.

Yeah, it was, and I will say to you, like, I didn't have a straight answer. Yeah. When she asked me, you know, I couldn't. I kind of like dodged around it. She made you think, but what a smart bitch. You know what I mean? I like that. Yeah.

Yeah. 100% she made, she made me question why I was doing it. What was a real reason I was playing? I was playing in the last time. Yeah. And for so long without having any kind of long term relationships. I would assume that she wants to know that as a girl. Maybe if she's ready for a relationship, she wants to make sure you're ready for it too,

because maybe you're not, you know what I mean? There's probably a bit of that. I think she's probably also figuring out herself as well. Yeah. Because she's never, she'd never been married, never really had. She had some long-term relationships. But I think we're just two people who are like probably broken at the time. Not broken, but not a bit lost and met each other and found our way now.

Yeah, I love that. Yeah, but she's probably a deep thinker too. You were both trying to figure yourselves out. So she's figuring herself out. Now she wants to figure you out. So she asks you a question. She's going to find out a lot about you, which I think is cool. So how long you guys been together now?

That's coming up for three years. Yeah, that's great. And so you sometimes think about going in the lifestyle, but you're totally monogamous with her, right? No thoughts of you and her doing anything together, right? No interest. You've kind of been there, done that. Yeah, like we sometimes talk about it.

Generally, like, in the heat of passion, we'll say things to each other. But realistically, like, I'm actually just quite happy with her. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I'm happy having sex with her. Yeah, I do,

I do consider it wasn't addiction what I had. I do, I mean, anyone's addicted to something. They look back and they remember the highs. And I do look back and I'm like, oh, geez,

I miss not being, I do that. I miss like the randomness of it or the, uh, just the non-commit commitment of everything. But I wouldn't say that was, you're only looking at a small percentage of what I did. I wouldn't say I was content.

Yeah. And that's right. I was a big word for me now is content. Like I'm actually content with, with her, with myself, with where I am in life. Yeah, listen, I was an alcoholic.

I quit drinking when I was 34 and I haven't drank since. And that's 20 years. And, you know, yeah, sometimes I could look back and be like my drinking days were like the best times of my life. I had so much fun walking to a club with the lights and the loud music and the alcohol, you know, and being high. So fucking great. But not one part of me would ever go back to that.

You know what I mean? Kind of been there, done that. It was great. I learned my lesson. It was, there was a lot of layers attached to it. And sometimes I could reminis. but never do I feel like I would ever do that again. It's kind of like my past.

Yeah. You know, so I get it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's exactly the same as what I am. Like, yeah, I don't want to go back to it, but I like, yeah, and I do think back about all the good times. Of course, yeah, I totally get that. Yeah, same way I do.

It's the same thing, but no desire. And especially when you live it up, kind of like, like I said, been there, done that. You really had your fill. So. Oh, yeah. I don't think you'll probably. ever go back to it and I totally get that, especially because you, you, it was an addiction for you and it was something that, you know, and you came to terms with it. But I think that that's great.

I love your story. It's super interesting. It's got a very different angle than a lot of my other stories, but that's what I like about it. I've been doing my show a long time. So it's always interesting to get a different perspective. And you gave me a lot of different perspectives in this episode, which is super interesting. I think people are going to love it. excellent yeah it because I've listened to a lot of your podcast I can see every there is all different aspects but it's not all about like the sex is definitely a massive part of it

but there's all there's a lot of going on with people in general and like my my aspect was like I had a lot of fun love the lifestyle and the sex was almost it was part of it was like at the end there it was almost secondary it was more about like a discovery of me like initially it was just a physical interaction where I just wanted sex.

Whereas at the end there, it's more like I discovered who I was and got questioned what I was doing. Yeah, I love that. Listen, I'm wired like your girl. Like, I would ask the question she asked you. I like to get people thinking, I like the layers of things. I like the emotional side of stuff.

I think people tune into my show to hear the sex, but I think I always try to bring so many more layers to my episodes. Sometimes it's just about the sex. But I like the full picture, all the layers. And I love the psychology behind things and stuff. So I'm always happy when there's more of that involved. Like I said, I draw people in with the sex, but I like episodes like this where you learn a little bit something. And there's a depth to it. Yeah.

Like, I was thinking like before I rang in, I'm like, oh, I could talk about all these things. You name it, I've probably done it sexually with couples. And I could sit here and just rattle off stories. But that wouldn't be your story. No, I love your story. Yeah. Yeah. And there's a lot goes on the lifestyle which people don't think about. He said like earlier, the guy's being by, that's definitely like a big to do. He said with a unicorn where, you know, the couples don't always think about. Yeah. You're treated like shit, all that type of stuff.

There's a lot, there's a lot of, not too, a sex is part of it, but a lot of it is an emotional or a psychological side where it's not often thought about. Yeah, no, and that's what I like to do on my podcast. I think that that's what I typically do and what I typically do and what I do. try for and I try to get a lot of that on my show. So I love that. I wouldn't have, I don't want, I don't want someone to come on and just tell me you a bunch of sex stories. You know what I mean? I love your story. I think it's super interesting. So thank you so much for calling in and telling me it. It'll definitely be up really super soon, Dave. Thanks so much. Good luck with your girl. Are you guys, are you planning on getting married? Yeah, we are. Because we're a bit older,

we're kind of like the marriage thing's not as when you're younger. Yeah, yeah, of course. But you live together? Yeah, we live together and everything. And like, we might get married. We often, we'll probably just get drunk in Vegas one day and get married. Yeah, why not? Yeah. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, we're definitely happy and content with each other. Yeah, that's great. I love your story. I like a story with a happy ending. So thanks for calling in, Dave. Thanks so much.

Yep, not a problem. Okay, be good, Kathy. Bye. Okay, I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly Anonymous Confession, Secret sex lives of total strangers is now available not only in paperback and e-book, but you can pre-order the audiobook. It's still not going to be out until August 25th, but you can pre-order it. The book is basically 17 different stories taken from my show. I kind of picked one story from each category that I talk about on my show. Like there's a hot wife story. There's a cuck queen story. There's a

cuck story. There's a gang-bang girl story. Like I said, 17 stories, and they're all told in the third person, and they're all true. I took the interview and rewrote it in the third person, and I wouldn't really call it like a total erotica book. Think like penthouse letters. It's more direct. It's not so over the top like erotica. I don't really like that kind of vibe, right? But these are true stories, 17 of them.

They're really short chapters, easy read. You could read, you know, one or two, and then skip around. You could read the whole book. It's available in eback format, paperback format. And finally, the audio book is available coming out August 25th. But you could pre-order it now. And if you buy my book in any format or pre-order it, I will throw in a complimentary link to my Discord.

My Discord does not disappoint, okay? There's no way you get into my Discord any other way than getting the link from me. Okay. I give it to people who buy my book. There's tons of people in there. everybody shares content with each other and that's what you get to do there you can post your own pictures and videos there's tons of channels we have lots of contests where you can win a lot of money it's a super fun place to be it's a total strictly anonymous community and you will love it i will be giving anyone who

buys my book access to my discord it's private like i said all you got to do is email me a screenshot of your purchase whether you did the audiobook the ebook or the paperback sent it to me at Strictly Anonymous Podcast at gmail.com. That's Strictly Anonymous Podcasts at Gmail.com. And I will send you the link to Discord. So anyway, thanks so much for tuning in. This is the Strictly Anonymous Podcast.