Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 780 - Sean is an Alpha Male into Guys, Hotwifing, Tease & Denial and More

Episode Date: March 6, 2024

Sean, Samantha’s (ep #774) husband is an alpha male into guys, hotwifing, tease and denial and more and he called in to talk all about it. Tune in to hear all the details including husband how he do...es hook up with guys but he doesn’t consider himself into guys, how and why he’s more into the mental part of being with a guy like over the physical part, how and why he is more into anal play being done to him than doing anal with his wife, how they started pegging and how his wife felt about it, how experimenting with a chastity cage totally changed the game and make him realize he was a total submissive, how and why being denied turns him on, how they eventually decided to both hook up with a guy and exactly what happened during their first hook up, how he felt seeing his wife with another guy, how and why he only wants to serve and isn’t interested the guy serving him, how communication was key for them going further into hotwifing, why he prefers to be caged during all their hook ups, how his wife is the one who picks guys for them, his first time bottoming and why he enjoyed it so much, how his wife gave him panties, why he enjoys wearing them and how they turn him, how being a sub is an escape for him and how he still enjoys being with his wife as an alpha as well and how his wife accepts him as both plus a whole lot more. **To see anonymous pics SEAN and HIS WIFE SAMANTHA plus see pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at strictlyanonymouspodcast@gmail.com or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to the Strictly Anonymous Podcast. Strictly Anonymous Podcast. Conversations with online strangers. We place ads online. The Craigslist is definitely like the gift that keeps on giving. Real people respond. You go to Singapore or Thailand. You can't not do it.
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Starting point is 00:02:40 like that and they get to over on my Discord. So to get access for my Discord and get all the other stuff that I talked about, you got to join my Patreon.com.com slash strictly anonymous podcast. It's literally just $5 a month. And I feel like you get a lot for that. Most people charge like $12, $20 for their Patreon. They're barely giving anything. I'm giving out so much and it's five bucks, you know, and you are also supporting the show, which is great. So all of the links and the emails and the numbers and the websites and all that shit I just talked about are in the description. So you don't have to worry about writing it down today. I have on Sean. Now remember Samantha? People loved her episode. Now listen. If you passed up that episode and you haven't listened to Samantha's
Starting point is 00:03:21 episode. It was episode 7-74. Samantha and her alpha husband, love pegging, guy and guy action, MMF threesome's and more. If you haven't listened to Samantha's episode yet, go listen to it. People wrote in, people commented like, oh my God, favorite guest ever, one of the best episodes you ever did. People loved Samantha. Samantha had talked all about her relationship with her husband and what they do together. And so I decided to get her husband on. That's right. You're going to hear their story from the husband's perspective. I tape couples a lot and it's always interesting to get the same story from the other person's perspective. Trust me, it's not like the same old, same old. You're hearing it from his side. You've got Samantha's view of their situation, which is really great. Okay. And now
Starting point is 00:04:11 you're going to hear his. He is one of those guys that would say I'm not into guys, but he hooks up with guys. Okay, and you're going to hear all about that. And he talks about how it's even confusing to him, but it's what he knows about himself. He's a very alpha guy in real life, but he is very submissive when it comes to hooking up with dudes and doing all the stuff that they did. And this is not a guy that did any of this shit before.
Starting point is 00:04:37 This all came up when they opened up their marriage, and he talks about all of it. They're very into chastity and denial. He talks about how that was just like an impulse buy at a sex store. And when he put that shit on, it completely changed him. That's what's so interesting I think about his story and his side of things is because he's
Starting point is 00:04:54 really a guy that's here to show you or here to say that you kind of never know what you're into unless you try it because this is a guy that wasn't into any of this shit. The chastity thing led to so many other things. They do pegging. They have hooked up and had hot wife experiences. He talks about seeing his wife with a guy for the first time. He talks about how she brought him panties home one day and he threw them on and now he wears them and he talks about why and how and how it makes him feel and all that kind of good stuff. So if you heard Samantha's episode and loved it like everybody else did, you're going to love Sean's as well.
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Starting point is 00:06:07 You're going to love it. So I'm going to be right back on with Sean. Hi, Sean. Welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast. How are you today? Good. Kathy, thanks for having me. No, thanks for coming on.
Starting point is 00:06:18 Listen, your wife was a big effing hit. Okay. You are Samantha, quote unquote, fake name Samantha's husband. Samantha came on. I just aired her episode. And let me tell you, people were, I knew people were going to be obsessed with her because I was obsessed with her
Starting point is 00:06:34 because she's just very unique in that she's so super open. And you guys have a really interesting story. She told it from her. perspective. Now you're going to tell it from yours. People did want to hear your side of things. You know, um, people want to listen to Samantha's episode if they haven't listened to it yet. I will put the number in the description. People like literally said like that was like my favorite episode. And I've been doing my show for 10 years. It's very rare that I find something that's very unique. I felt like your story was very unique and she was very unique. Um, so. Yeah. She's cool. She's so fucking cool because like you guys
Starting point is 00:07:11 are a couple that have been married for a long time. Finela before, like you weren't doing anything really that off the charts before, but eventually, and you have to remind me, because I tape a lot of people, you guys opened up your relationship and you're doing guys and she's fucking into it and you're like her little, I don't know, submissive, you're into sissy stuff and you're very alpha. Okay, let me just tell you, she has posted picks of you and all your glory over on my Discord. I have some picks as well, a little bit more R-rated picks. But if you want to see everything, you can go on my Discord. But she posted picks of you guys over on my Patreon. You're totally not the
Starting point is 00:07:48 type of guy that people think fucks guys or as a sissy boy, right? Like you're really alpha. Your body looks like you're fucking alpha, like you're built like, you know, tenfold. People could see your stuff over there. So let's go back again to the beginning of the story with you guys. Now, before you started copping to all this different stuff that you guys were into and you were going to try. Were you guys like totally vanilla before? Remind me. Yeah, pretty much. We never really got in it to anything outrageous.
Starting point is 00:08:18 It was just regular vanilla sex. And it was always good. I always joke. That's kind of how I landed her. At the time, I'm not happy to say this, but I was addicted to opioids, which kind of cuts down on your ability to orgasm. Oh, really? for hours. The first couple of times we slept together, it was a marathon and still never did, but I always joke, that's how I landed her. Oh, my God, I never knew that that's another
Starting point is 00:08:45 amazing side effect. No wonder why people get fucking addicted to it. You could put on the show. I call that the show when a guy wants to fuck you for five hours. I can't stand the show, but I know a lot of guys that want to do the show. And they're very into pleasing their women when they want you to come five times. It's a lot of pressure. Well, I didn't know. the time that that was a side effect because just met. Interesting. Can I just ask you real quick? Like, how did you kick the habit?
Starting point is 00:09:09 Because there's no way you're still doing opioids this many years later and survived, right? Yeah, it was literally just me realizing that I was abusing them and it was just a cold turkey. I had no problem. Once I realized, hey, wait a minute, this is fucked up. This is more than I've been prescribed. So it was just throw them down and forget about them. And it worked. Yeah, that's good.
Starting point is 00:09:30 So, but guys are good for you now and you're totally into. I'm being with them. So let's get to that place because you're this guy that, I don't know, did you always consider yourself straight? Were you always secretly into dudes on the side but never said anything? How did that come up for you? So I don't know that I was ever, I'm still not into guys as far as that goes. I'm not attracted to them physically. And it's one of those things. I'm not too proud to say. If I see a man who is attracted, I'm obviously will say, hey, that's a good looking guy, you know, but I don't feel like I'm, I'm not attracted to him. I don't want to go meet him. You don't want to make out with him and, and stuff. I'm not overly masculine. I can't recognize when
Starting point is 00:10:13 someone takes care of themselves. Yeah, cool. Okay. Okay. But then it eventually does come up, though, because we know from Samantha's episode, and I'll tell people even if they haven't heard it. You do fuck around with guys now and you guys are doing all that kind of stuff. So let's get to the point where somebody, I forget who, like puts something on the table that kind of changes the game, because eventually. you guys started to talk about different things, right? That led you to opening up your marriage. What was that catalyst that changed things up? So it's hard to say because it's been so long.
Starting point is 00:10:44 We've kind of gone down this road for probably better of 10 years. But I would say pegging probably started it as far as wanting to try something different. And of course, chastity cage, that changed everything because that really brings out a completely different. side of myself, the denial part of it makes me feel completely different. And even the physical act of being with a man is, it's not, I'll have to explain it. So it's not physically, it's kind of uncomfortable at times. This is the mental side of knowing that that's what's happening is really kind of what turned the table for me. And that's what you like, though. Yeah. Yeah, that was my whole stick
Starting point is 00:11:31 is not the it's not that I'm physically it doesn't it's not the greatest but it is mentally it is mind blowing yeah but let's get let's start with the pegging I'm assuming you guys were like playing with toys
Starting point is 00:11:45 I'm always talking to guys and saying hey like check out your asshole there's a lot of nerve endings in there you probably love a little anal action there's so much stigma surrounding that for guys that so many guys don't try stuff
Starting point is 00:11:58 anything God forbid you try to put your finger up a guy's ass. He's like, oh my God, I'm not gay. It's so ridiculous. How did you guys, like, how did the anal play come and start between you two? I think it's, so it started with us having toys, obviously. Yeah. And I think it came to its full conclusion there whenever it was a night of drinking, basically.
Starting point is 00:12:18 Okay, there you go. Let's give it a shot and see. I did it to her so she could do it to me. And I still, to this day, I'm nervous about anal with her. penetrating her annually, I would always just, I'm scared I'm going to hurt, you know,
Starting point is 00:12:34 so I actually shy away from that. And be honest, but I like the other better anyways. Yeah, you like to get fucked in the ass. Yeah, yeah. I would rather me get fucked in the ass
Starting point is 00:12:46 than to do that to her. Yeah. I feel, even though I know it's not, it is regular sexual act. It feels degrading at some point. That's interesting that you see that that way, for her.
Starting point is 00:12:58 Yeah. Yeah, so I don't mind being degraded. No, that's what I was just going to say. If you see it a little bit as a degrading thing, is that a little part of what gets you off when it's being done to you? Because some people like to be degraded. That could be like a king. Oh, yeah, for sure. That's absolutely part of it.
Starting point is 00:13:17 And I would never want to do that to her. I don't never want her to feel that way. It's my king. It's not her king. Yeah. And let me just tell you, in this situation, they got to listen to Samantha's episode. Samantha is the Dom and you are the sub. Like your your guy's dynamic is super interesting.
Starting point is 00:13:32 So I would assume even as time goes on and you guys really develop those roles and it's very clear that's who you guys are when you guys are doing these kinds of things. It would make sense that you would rather be getting fucked than doing the fucking because you're the submissive. So the first time she pegged you, were there any questions from her like, oh my God, like why do you want a dick in your ass or anything like that? Or was she just like totally fine with it? Oh, she was completely okay with it. She had no problem with it. It was almost like a little payback. Seriously? Yeah, she was completely okay with it. At no point did she have any reservations as far as I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:10 And we were still fairly early on into it. So I don't know if maybe she thought that maybe this is a little weird, but she did not let on that it was if that crossed her mind at all. Yeah, I think a lot of times the biggest fear for guys who might be open to it, maybe because they've played alone and really, realize that it does feel great to have something inside there. They're afraid to bring it up because I think a lot of times, and Samantha just isn't like the average person, that the average woman might be like, why the fuck do you want a dick in your ass? Can it be the first question? Like, what does that mean? And you got to really talk it out and with your girl. And I think that's why a lot of guys don't ever want to put it up on the table and a lot of guys still keep it under wraps.
Starting point is 00:14:53 So you guys start pegging and you enjoyed it. you were into it yeah and then and then came chastity and it started off with just it was stopped by the toy store and we picked up a little a little cage of a plastic thing and and I didn't really know what to expect
Starting point is 00:15:12 with it I've tried it on and it changed everything it changed the way I felt about things just knowing that you could not get an direction and that that part of you was essentially void at that time. And then, you know, I think that's when the more submissive side came out when I started realizing those feelings. And she was more happy to explore those with me. And so the feeling of being denied and that part of you being turned off and you can't use
Starting point is 00:15:46 it, that you realized that that was like a turn on to you? Yeah, absolutely. And you were surprised. I mean, you had no idea going in that you were going to feel that way, right? I had no clue. And even even afterwards, it was a lot of Googling, you know, the psychology of why, which there are no good answers on Google.
Starting point is 00:16:03 I was just going to ask you. Yeah. Can you explain it? Can you put it into words? I can't. I don't completely understand it. Yeah, it's interesting. The denial part just makes me want sex more
Starting point is 00:16:17 and not, and just conventional sex. Just sex with my wife. It makes me want that more. Yeah. And the more. more that I'm denied, the more I want it, the more I want it, the more I'm denied. It's kind of like a snowballing effect where the longer you go without it, the more you, you enjoy it. Yeah, I'm into
Starting point is 00:16:36 teasing denial. And I didn't realize that until some guy on my show talked about it. And I was like, oh, I've played those games with people before. And there is something about denying yourself. If you deny it when you get it, it's 10 times better than if you just got it the first time you asked for You know what I'm saying? Like, it just is. I think a lot of people don't know about T's in denial. And if they tried it, they'd realize how hot it is. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Starting point is 00:17:04 And for me, it was wanting something that I couldn't have. Yeah. And that made a big difference for me as well as wanting to do something, knowing I couldn't really just amplified everything and maybe more submissed. And then came along, obviously, gratifying others. and then still denying myself. Yeah, that, yeah, you're like, you've been in a cage for three weeks now. Have you been in let out yet?
Starting point is 00:17:30 I have this weekend. Oh, you just, the one that just passed, you were let out, or you're going to be let out this weekend. Yep, just, yeah, we got to have sex last night and it was mind-blowing. Really? Yep, I have a feeling I'm headed back to the cage, but at the same time, I did get an out, and it was incredible. Yeah, so let's get to the point where, you know, you're playing Chastity, and you're, you're totally into it, it's kind of changed your mind about things. You're starting to feel submissive, right? How did it come to play that it would be meant? It was probably just a lot of
Starting point is 00:18:01 porn. I'd be honest. I kind of brought the whole idea up and then it just kind of sparked something that I said, well, be willing to try it. Let's see what it does. And we tried it once and I really enjoyed it. And then it was just, it went from there and then it was, let's get a little bit more. with it and we've got someone who regularly comes by and he's a great person um very respectful and it's it's worked out yeah but let's go back to that first time what were you thinking going in did you say i just want to get blown or just blow a guy what were you what was that first experience and what went down yeah so the first time was was almost more i guess what you'd call hot wiping experience where we both kind of shared my wife.
Starting point is 00:18:55 And of course, he blew me for a while. I blew him. But yeah, that was, that was the, I guess that was the tipping point of me realizing that I didn't want any kind of reciprocation as far as that goes. I did not enjoy getting a blowjob from another guy. Interesting. Yeah, I didn't enjoy it at all.
Starting point is 00:19:17 As a matter of fact, he's the only one who came. My wife and him both came. came in me, I was, I turned off at that point. Wow. I don't know about this. It didn't feel good to me. So I was like, well, I guess that's my role in this is to be the one doing and not the one being done too. Yeah, I've talked about that a lot of my show because so many guys that are into guys in the way that you are in that they maybe once in a blue moon, they like to suck a dick if the wind blows a certain way.
Starting point is 00:19:47 But it's not like they dig guys. all those guys, they just want to blow guys. They don't want the guy to touch them, do anything to them. Look, you're the same like a lot of guys. All the guys that are into blowing guys, they don't want the guy to blow them. Yeah. And we found the only, so there's not a whole lot, and I believe it is the whole street versus gay thing. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:09 If you were letting someone do something to you, you feel gay, I guess. It's kind of the way it always kind of reflected. to me, but if you're the one having it done to you, and maybe it's not gay. But at the same time, if you're looking at it that way, it's all gay, but if you're looking at it like that. It's not even gay, but, and what's wrong
Starting point is 00:20:31 with gay? That's what I always go to the end. Anyway, like, why is that such a bad fucking thing? It's so rude. It makes no sense, but I think that that's the reason behind it, but I don't like that. I don't anything to back that up. That's just kind of well, I think the real gay guys
Starting point is 00:20:46 should, you know, get in on the action, because There's so many, quote, unquote, straight guys that just want to blow guys who aren't gay. So if it's not my straight friends that should go and get those blow jobs, it's gay men. Somebody should be, you know, cashing in on all these straight guys that want to blow guys. Yeah. And that's basically the luck we've had is gay men, as far as finding people who are comfortable with that situation. Yeah. So, but that first guy when you went in, he was a by guy.
Starting point is 00:21:14 He was into women. He was into men. And you knew going in that it was like everything on the. table. How did you feel seeing your wife with another guy? Was that a turn on to you? You loved it. Yeah, I loved it. Yeah. Yeah, it was great. And it was, it wasn't necessarily just seeing it happen. It was knowing that she was enjoying the pleasure from it. That was important for me. And they didn't have vaginal sex. She just, you know, she gave him a blowjob. But at the same time, that didn't bother me at all. And that was kind of when I realized it, I wouldn't have a problem with her having sex with another guy, but at the same time, I never wanted to push that at all, ever, because I don't know if she's comfortable with it.
Starting point is 00:21:58 But did you talk about it after? You went into that experience knowing that that wasn't on the table or she wasn't going to do it? Yeah, no, we didn't really talk about that much. As a matter of fact, it was several years after that happened that she actually did have sex with another man. And at the same time, there was a lot of conversation leading up to that because you can't put the genie back in the bottle. Exactly. And at the same time, I didn't really know. I thought I wanted to see this.
Starting point is 00:22:27 I had no clue if I was going to enjoy it or not. But at the same time, I committed to doing it. There was no way I could hold it against her. Because I told her, I'm good with it. And after it happened, I really enjoyed it. You did. Yeah. And if I didn't enjoy it, she would have never known.
Starting point is 00:22:44 I would have just told her, yeah, maybe that's not our thing. But I would have never, you know, you can't be jealous. something you initiate. No, I know. I think it's like really hard going into situations when you've never done anything something before. You don't know how you're going to feel. And I think what's most important is that you have a good enough relationship with your partner that if you did feel fucked up about it, you could talk to them and you could both get over it, but it doesn't ruin the relationship. That's the biggest fear. I know that I talked to a lot of hot wives and a lot of times before they did anything. That was their biggest fear. Will he think of me different?
Starting point is 00:23:18 you said, once you open up Pandora's bikes, you can't close it again. But, you know, you guys were with each other for long enough to know that even if that happened, you guys would be okay. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And like I said, suck it up, Buttercup. And that's just the way it was. And fortunately, for both of us, I think we both really enjoyed it. And we both kind of embraced that. We communicate. I honestly, I don't communicate as well as I probably should, but I've never been a a talker, I guess. But we do enough communications where we know if we're comfortable with something.
Starting point is 00:23:54 And that was important. She was good with it. And she interrogated me before we did it, making sure I was good with it. As far as I could tell, I was great with it. And it worked out. Yeah. And you enjoyed it. Were you caged during that experience?
Starting point is 00:24:10 Yes. Yeah. So she. Yeah. And that was the other thing, too, for me to play uncaged, I've never enjoyed that at all. Interesting. You like being caged. You prefer to be caged. Yeah. Yeah. And I think it goes back to the fact that most of the guys that we've messed around with do are either by or gay. And eventually they're going to want to mess with me and I don't want that. So I stay caged. That takes that off the table. Oh, so there's never, you don't have to worry about that. That boundary is in place.
Starting point is 00:24:42 Yeah. Yeah. It's completely off the table. I don't have to think about it. I don't have to It's not in the back of my head the whole time. Yeah, that's super interesting. And you probably didn't consciously do that, but that's a part of it, right? Like, probably, yeah. Yeah, for sure. I do know that Samantha picks your dudes, right? Like, going into all these experiences, including the first one, was it always Samantha
Starting point is 00:25:06 picking the guys? It was. Yeah, yeah. She's always been the one to find the people. And for me, that's more respect for her. I don't want to bring someone in that she's not vetted first. So it's easier for her to vet them and make sure she's good with it before we initiate anything. And you've always been into her guys that she's picked for you.
Starting point is 00:25:32 You're not as picky as her. I think that's what we. I don't think guys are picked as picky as women. Yeah, so she's picked a couple that weren't great winners. But it, you know, it went on and I did my duty. and not necessarily enjoyed it every time, but she's gotten much better. She knows your taste now? Yeah, she's getting a lot pickier.
Starting point is 00:25:56 Which you like. I felt like she made it seem like you weren't that picky. Yeah. Yeah, she wasn't super picky. A lot of times when we would fool around, it was a weekend. We didn't really know how to find the right people or where to look for the right people. And so it was just you got one day, basically. So you try to find someone and this is just who you end up with.
Starting point is 00:26:21 And that's the luck of the draw kind of thing. And now we've decided, you know, we'll take our time to make sure it's the right person. And so far it worked out. Do you have any preference, though? Do you like a guy with a bigger dick, a smaller dick, a thicker dick? Does that, do you give a shit about that at all? Not really. As long as it's not a super tiny.
Starting point is 00:26:42 Right. That's just, that's kind of a waste. the time, but, you know, not to disparage anybody, but yeah, we've had a couple that were, I would say, below average. Right. Well, below average. Yeah, well, it's not like the majority of guys have huge cocks, right? It's like the majority or average.
Starting point is 00:27:03 Most guys are average. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that's just the way that it is. Let me ask you this. Like, the first time you did blow a guy and hook up with a guy, did you have a guy? Did you have any kind of weird feelings about it? Did it make you question your sexuality? Or by that time, were you just like super clear about what this was about and who you were?
Starting point is 00:27:24 Yeah, so I never questioned my sexuality. Just because I've always known I just wasn't attracted to them. Yeah. And I always think of that, could I walk up to a man in kissing? There's just no way. Right. There's no way I could kiss another man because I just don't find that attractive. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:27:40 But I did question the morality of it. is it right to do this? So that's always, you know, it's kind of like I explained to my wife. It's like eating a candy bar, you know. Yeah, and you get done eating and you're like, yeah, shit, I probably shouldn't have eaten that, but I'm going to eat another one, you know, just kind of that whole. Oh my God, that feeling. Yeah. Yeah. It's that whole questioning the situation. Should I have done that? Mm-hmm. The safety risk is always part of it. So we're always trying to be really safe and how safe can you be? The safest you can be is in an obviously a monogamous relationship with one partner. And that's, there's no STDs to be spread in that, in that relationship. But when you start introducing other people,
Starting point is 00:28:22 God forbid, I catch something and I give it to her. That would just, that would break my heart. Yeah. Safety's a big thing. Let me ask you this, though, because there is something called postnut clarity. And that definitely exists. Because I always equate being horny, like being drunk. And then the minute you come, you're like back to reality. You're not drunk anymore. You're like, oh. So, but I have to assume because you're not having orgasms. Like, you don't get that post nut clarity, really, because you're being denied in all of your experiences, correct?
Starting point is 00:28:52 Like, you're never coming when you're there. Yeah, it just keeps, it just keeps building. Yeah, I used to really not understand these guys that would go to Dominatrix. And I'd be like, oh, and did you come? And they'd be like, no, I didn't come. And I'd be like, why the fuck didn't you come? I don't understand it. But then I started to realize, oh, never coming and going home.
Starting point is 00:29:11 It just taking that feeling of where you're at right before you come and just extending it. And do you really want post nut clarity in a fucking dungeon? You don't even? He's like walking out of there? No, you'd rather do that in your own house. That's right. Yeah. Well, I mean, it keeps the side of you that any guy who, once he comes, he normally rolls over and goes to sleep.
Starting point is 00:29:32 Yes. Exactly. It's all over. You don't have that anymore. It's not over. There's no doubt. It's just you're still doing it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:40 It's amazing. So now, you know, you realize you're into the submissive thing because of being denied and being in the cage. You're starting to blow guys. Now, when did you start to go farther with them? Like, eventually you do get fucked in the ass by a guy. What was that first experience like? That was, it was good. I'm trying to remember the first, the very first time. But no, it was great. And it was, like I said, it was the whole mental side of it as I was just, I just got used. I felt good to me. Yeah, you're honest. Yeah, that's honest. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:16 And then I think the next time it was the same situation where I just, it was for their pleasure, not mine. And that was more for me than actually getting off. I enjoyed it. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And but when you're in the cage, right? And if a guy's fucking you in the house, like, you can't come in that cage? No, that was, that's kind of the hope, though, is that eventually I will.
Starting point is 00:30:44 Oh, interesting. But you never have, and you've been doing this for 10 years. Well, we've been doing so on and off for 10 years. I'd say probably the longest I've been in a cage at one time was like a month and a half. But sometimes do you hook up with guys when you're not caged or are you always caged during your house? Always caged. You are always caged. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:06 So you've always been fucked in the ass and never were able to come. during it. That's right. Interesting. Yeah. Now I have played with toys and bened to come anally.
Starting point is 00:31:20 Right, right. Like when she's pegging you or whatever? Yeah, it's completely different in that you're subject to their rhythm. Yeah. And if they don't have the right rhythm, you're not going to come.
Starting point is 00:31:34 Yeah. And as a submissive, you're not going to tell them what the fuck to do, right? You're just like being used. You're being used. You've got to do whatever. whatever they fucking want. That's the hot scenario for you, right? Yeah. Yeah, and that's kind of the other thing. Maybe
Starting point is 00:31:46 maybe at some point you get close and then they change and it goes away. It's kind of like, well, maybe next time. Yeah. And somehow I think your brain, because the way you're wired, like, that's hot too, the fact that you just got denied and he changed it up and didn't give you what you want and take you over the edge. You could get into that. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's great because you're like, oh, he's getting what you want. even when you're not getting what you want. Exactly. Smart way to be.
Starting point is 00:32:14 Wait, so now eventually your wife brings home a pair of panties one day, okay, and says, hey, try the shit on. And now you're, like, right now, currently, you're wearing panties every day. So let's talk about that whole thing. Because when people see your picture on Patreon, because you're over there, and I'm sure if people knew you in your real life, you're just, like, not the type of guy you'd ever think. And I think that's the Samantha really drove that home. I think a part of the, in the title was like Samantha's Alphalphal.
Starting point is 00:32:40 Alpha husband is into all this shit. You're a real alpha guy. You don't look like the type of dude that's wearing panties underneath his pants. But you are right now. And you have been since she threw them to you one day, right? Talk me through that whole thing. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:57 So that was, I guess it was kind of a tease thing. And you know what? I didn't mind. I kind of liked it. It felt good. And so she just took it up a notch. All right. Well, this is what you're wearing from now on.
Starting point is 00:33:09 But what did you like about it? Explain like when you say it felt good. Because I feel like, listen, what's interesting about you is here you are a guy that never thought about this shit, never tried it when you were younger. A lot of times I'm talking to a guy that's into panties, right? He was stealing his mom's panties when he was sex. It's like a fetish. Or a guy into chassis. Like he was always into this stuff.
Starting point is 00:33:30 This is like stuff that you picked up way later on just because it's like, why not try it? You tried it and you liked it. So I think it's like super interesting to hear what. that experience was because it wasn't like your thing at all but you like tried them on and what was it about it that felt good just like the material the way it hugged your cock yeah the material the fit growing up i was the standard little boy wearing his tidy whiteies you grow up you move to boxers and boxer briefs and things like that and you just never put on the tidy whiteys again and and then you get panties and they're they're comfortable i'll be honest i don't necessarily care for a thong
Starting point is 00:34:07 that to me that just kind of irritates but you know panties are they are comfortable and and the only reason to not wear them is so that someone doesn't see you in them if you're in a car crash that's what I always think oh my god you're in a car crash the first thing they do is take your clothes off start giving you CPR they're like out there I wonder how many people they took it off because I know guys wear panty hose I know guys were panties I know guys were bras like I know there's a lot of stuff going on underneath people's clothes that people no one knows about you I need to talk to uh an ambulance person one day that's like, you know, what do you find when you, in the state of emergency? Yeah, that would be like that would be a nightmare scenario.
Starting point is 00:34:47 Yeah, if you have a heart attack one day, your wife takes you. They're seeing your panties because you literally wear them every day, right? I hope I don't ruin it for you. Just keep wearing. I go golfing or something. I bend over to pick up a ball. I'd make sure my shirts are up to get in or something. I know.
Starting point is 00:35:02 My golf rinsie and my thong, the whale tails stick out the back of my pants. Yeah, that's so funny. But let me ask you this because you said you just like the feel of it and it's just like the way it holds you in and everything. But is there also like a turn on to it? Like when you're being intimate with your wife or others, like the fact that you have panties on, does it add to the whole sissy sub role play that you're into? For sure. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:29 Yeah, it does. And even get out of the shower and you put them on, you're standing there in the mirror, you know, brushing your teeth or something. Well, here it is, you know. I'm wearing panties. And that turns you on. That gets you in the mood. Yeah, for sure. And it kind of,
Starting point is 00:35:45 it just supports the submissive side too. Yeah, you dig that. And I did see a pick. Your wife sent me picks. And this one I couldn't put up because it was a little bit more X-rated, but I think she put it up on Discord. But it was like you weren't just in panties.
Starting point is 00:35:57 You were also in thigh high, stockings, I would say, right? Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So you've tried other female clothing things on as well? Yeah. Yep, she's dressed me up a few times. And I like that too. That's the submissive side.
Starting point is 00:36:12 It really brings it out. I like the way that feels. Let me ask you this. And I didn't ask Samantha. This is more for you. Like, you're obviously into the whole submissive thing. You're totally wired and into it. And this is how you guys play.
Starting point is 00:36:25 And you're having all this hot time. Like, do you ever also switch out and be like the alpha male guy and have sex with her, you know, from that part of who you are? Yeah, yeah, for sure. And that was like this weekend when I got out, it was about having sex with her as her man. And that was important. It's important to me to maintain that relationship with her and to literally be the protector and provider. That is my, that's my number one job is to make sure she's safe and feels protected and provided for in any way I can. Obviously, you know, She could provide for herself, but, you know, if I can do it, then that's my role. As a husband, it is my job to make sure she's taking care of. And it is important for me to do that from time to time and make sure that I'm still there. It's still just us.
Starting point is 00:37:23 If all this fell apart, it's still okay. Yeah. No, and I think that that's important because, listen, I think, like, she talked a lot about the fact that you're this alpha guy. She loves that about you. And when she goes out looking for guys, she picks other alpha guys because that is her type. That's what she likes. That's what she likes about you.
Starting point is 00:37:42 So I think that that's, I would, it's great and smart of you guys to also have that still be a part of it because that's who she married. And what I loved about her the most is that seeing you wear panties and seeing you suck cock and seeing you be denied and seeing you get fucked in the ass and being degraded and being submissive and a sissy and all that shit. it doesn't change her from seeing you as an alpha guy. And I think that's the reason why so many people are doing this kind of stuff behind closed doors and they're doing it secretly and their wives don't know about it because I think a lot of wives could not believe and accept that both things can exist at the same time. One doesn't take away from the other.
Starting point is 00:38:26 Just because you like to be fucked in the ass and wear panties and everything, it doesn't mean you're not still that alpha guy. It's just when you are intimate, you like to be submissive and you're expressing another part of yourself. But it's not all of who you are. Oh, yeah. Yeah, like on a day-to-day basis, if we're just out and about, then, yeah, I'm not since he's submissive. Exactly. We're going out to eat and stuff like that. I am, I'm a regular guy, and nobody would ever know it.
Starting point is 00:38:59 And it's not that I'm ashamed of it or that I would be embarrassed. It's just, yeah, I may do this. in private, but at the same time, I'm still the man. I still want to be a man. And I had no desire. I don't know that I could survive my family routine, anything other than the way we're doing it now. You need that balance. It's not like you're not either one 24-7. And I think that's what all that stuff is about a lot of times. It is just about a release. And I'm sorry, but typically the guy who is in the dungeon or who is the cissies, a lot of times. the alpha man. It's mostly that guy because that's the release. Yeah, there would there would be no
Starting point is 00:39:40 excitement to it if this was me 24-7. Exactly. It would just be the way it is. And I don't think that we wouldn't make it as a couple if I was that way all the time because that's just not what she desires out of her husband. Yeah. But no, I think we've got a good arrangement where it is cool that this is kind of our secret side. It is, it's kind of exhausting to keep a secret the whole time, And even though we're keeping it together, it's still, we've still got other people in our lives that we hang out with and do things and timing and, you know, trying to be sneaky about things. It is somewhat exhausting, but at the same time, though, that's just for us. That's something that we share. It's not for the rest of the world to share.
Starting point is 00:40:24 Exactly. Most people don't share their sex life anyway, regardless, whether it's vanilla sex or something like what you guys are doing. Most people aren't telling their friends anyway. I'm sure you don't know your other friend's sex life either. I don't want to know. Exactly. So it's no one's business. But what's great about your situation is like you see how exhausting it is a little bit to just keep this a secret from other people.
Starting point is 00:40:45 But at least you have your wife right there with you. So many times I'm talking to somebody who is doing everything that you're doing, but their wife isn't involved with them. You just happen to be so lucky to have a woman who's so open and accepting of all of this. Because not only, what's so great about Samantha and your situation is not only is your wife accepting of it, she's fucking into it. Like she's horny for it. You know what I mean? She's not just doing it for you. She really digs all of it.
Starting point is 00:41:16 Yeah. Yeah. And I think it's for her too. I think a lot of it's mental too and that I trust her with this information. And I trust her to do what we both want. And I'm not trying to keep a secret from her. I believe that's it really speaks to the fact she's not superficial at all. He's very open.
Starting point is 00:41:38 She's very honest with me. So it just works. She's, she is literally the only person I would ever marry. Something never happened to us. It's, screw that. I'm not doing this again.
Starting point is 00:41:49 I found someone I don't argue with. We don't have fights. We just, we're very low drama people. Yeah. So it just worked out. I've won the lottery, basically. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:00 You got a unicorn. Like, No, for real because... I don't know it. Yeah, I mean, listen, I do my show, so, you know, in the hopes that more people could be as open-minded as you and your wife, you know? Because I'm not judgmental at all either. I'm ruled more like your girl, but so many people don't, unfortunately. And that's just the truth.
Starting point is 00:42:22 Now, so I know that you have your regular guy now, and he's a gay man, right? Yeah. And do you remember your first experience with him or your last experience? tell me some stories. So the first one was really good. The last one was not as good. I had some other issues going on that kind of messed that up. But for the most part, it's been really good with him.
Starting point is 00:42:45 And mainly because he is absolutely very respectful and just a good guy all the way around. Like I said, if this were not part of our dynamic, I could see us just being regular friends. Oh, really? Because he's cool. Yeah. Yeah, he's just a good guy. And this is a genuine person. So that's worked out.
Starting point is 00:43:04 And physically he is, he's kind of what we were looking for. He is a lot bigger than I am. He's like, he's well over six foot tall. Mm-hmm. I don't want to get too much information about him, but he's a, he's just a big dude. Yeah. And he's very clean, very respectful. And yeah, and he, and he likes the fuck.
Starting point is 00:43:26 So he enjoys it. Yeah. And what was interesting is your wife told me that recently, this is a gay man that's just into dudes. So your wife is in the other room. That's another big aspect of your guys play. She really wants videos and wants to watch. And you guys do tape a lot of stuff. But recently she asked him, like, do you, I think maybe it was Valentine's Day.
Starting point is 00:43:49 She bought you like a red pair of panties or something. And she asked him, like, would you mind? And you would think a gay man would not be into that at all. But he decided to try it. And it turned out he was into it, correct? Yeah. Yeah, he was into it. He enjoyed it.
Starting point is 00:44:02 I didn't realize, obviously, how much he was into it until I saw the video. He really enjoyed it. So that was kind of a cute little play on Valentine's Day. Just to mess with me a little bit, make me wear something cute and Valentine's themed. Yeah, but how interesting that he wound up. I just feel like your guy's story is so interesting because it does really show people that you never kind of know. Most all of these things that you're into and even like this guy is into, you didn't know that you were going to be into this. And it turns out you are. Turns out he is. A gay man into like you wearing a panties. That's crazy. Yeah. And that's yeah. So that's really open my eyes up. When I see just normal people, what I would just say normal sex lives. Yeah. Yeah. There's no telling what they're into. Exactly. Nothing clue. You can't judge anybody. And I've never been judgmental of people's sex lives. What people do. People do.
Starting point is 00:44:57 on their own time is completely up to them. So, yeah, when I see a couple out to eat, I'll think it. I wonder if they'd fool around. I wonder if they're into stuff that, you know, there's a 50-50 chance that they probably are. No, but what I think is also very true. And what I think your story tells people is that maybe you haven't even tried certain things. But if you did, you'd be like you guys.
Starting point is 00:45:22 All of the stuff that you guys are doing, would you have known you were into that 20 years ago? the only reason you figured it out is by trying it. Mm-hmm. Yeah, in our case, it was literally just baby steps, doing one little thing at a time, and then that leads to something else, that leads to something else. Where we're at right now, I've told her, I don't know if we should keep chasing the rabbit, and if we should just kind of stand off where we're at right now and just stick with this, because I don't know if it's safe to go much farther.
Starting point is 00:45:55 Yeah, where do you go? What would be farther for you guys? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't think I want to go any farther than where we have. Yeah. Just because then you get into the realm of just things are getting a little out of hand. Right.
Starting point is 00:46:11 You know, what we've got right now is comfortable. It works. It's satisfying for both of us. So I think staying put for a while is definitely the safe play for us. Right. But what about her being with more guys? Do you want to do the hot wafing thing more? Is that something that you can answer?
Starting point is 00:46:28 Yeah. Well, that's, yeah. So I'm kind of on the, on the side where that's, that is her call. Yeah. 100% her call. If she wants to do it, I'd love to see it. But I would never push her to do that. And it's only if she's super comfortable with the person. Because there is a different dynamic at play, I think, for her, where she is a little more emotionally connected to people than I am. Yeah. And I don't want her to feel uncomfortable in any of those situations.
Starting point is 00:46:56 situations. But yeah, if she wanted to, 100%. You'd be down. Yeah, 100%. Anytime. And like I said, I know she's not going to pick some random junkie. I know she's going to be really picky, and that's what I would hope for her. Because, I mean, you've seen her pictures. She's going to pick. She can pick whoever she wants, basically. Exactly. They'd be lucky to get her kind of thing. She's really, right. Right. I mean, she's not like it'd be hard for her to find a guy. The guy would pick her, but it's got to be that she's, wants the guy. Now, have you guys ever thought about going to swingers clubs or swingers parties? Have you ever gotten to that world? I don't remember if I asked your wife.
Starting point is 00:47:33 I don't think we've gotten into it just because I don't think we've really had the time to kind of investigate and find the right place or situation. And we are kind of outliers in the fact that at our age and our interests are literally wrapped up in fitness 90% of the time. It's hard to find people our age and our maturity that, you know, would be interested in that type of lifestyle. Right. Most people are just more into sitting around watching the football game and drinking. Then let's go work out.
Starting point is 00:48:14 But what, but no, no sex parties or anything like that? No, no, nothing like that. And so is there anything on your bucket list? I don't know that there's anything on the bucket list. I know one of the things that I did want was. to be with more than one guy at a time. We've done that, and I enjoyed it, because it really brings up the whole,
Starting point is 00:48:35 now you're really being used type situation. Yeah. But no, I don't think there's anything on the bucket list for me, as far as things that we haven't done that I would really, really want to try. Yeah. But, you know, everything that we've wanted to do, we've pretty much done it. And that there's never been a, well, that's just too far.
Starting point is 00:48:52 We've done it. Everything we, everything we've been able to do. and like I said, I'm content with where we're at, but I'm never, never say never, basically. Try all kinds of things. What's the longest you've been in a cockage and do you want to go longer? Is that maybe something? A month and a half is the longest I'd gone.
Starting point is 00:49:13 And I don't know that I really want to go longer because there is a, I guess it's kind of like a point of diminishing return. Yeah, I get that. At a certain point, it's just like, eh, this is really just, now it's just a, It's just a fixture at this point. Yeah. So there was a lot of doubt as far as how long I should go and when I should be able to be released and things like that. And I think we're slowly finding a sweet spot in there where there is a point where this is what's the point.
Starting point is 00:49:45 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would love to be able to do it longer. But at the same time, I don't think that either of us gain anything for the length of time. That doesn't necessarily play into it that much. Exactly. Yeah. Awesome. Well, listen, I love your guy's story.
Starting point is 00:50:05 Everybody loved your story. If people haven't, like I said, listen to your wife's side of things. They really need to. I aired her episode first. People wanted to hear from you. So I'm airing your episode right after her. So people will get to hear your side too. There's a lot of picks of you guys and explicit stuff over on my Discord.
Starting point is 00:50:24 I've got the R-rated stuff, just some sexy books over on my Patreon. I leave the X-rated stuff for you guys to post yourself and your wife has posted shit on there. People told me. So people want to see that go to Patreon and you know, you guys could, I mean, go on to Discord or sign up for my Patreon. You'll get onto my Discord and they could see it and I'll tell, you know, you guys could go back on there. But thanks so much for calling in and sharing your story. It's great. I think it's a great, super interesting story.
Starting point is 00:50:50 And I'm glad we got your side of things too. Yeah, I'm glad I could see. speak to you and maybe help some people break down those barriers and taboos and things that they're concerned with. Yes. Be good. Yes, for sure. I think that's a big part of your story.
Starting point is 00:51:07 And I think especially talking to you, I think a big takeaway is you never know until you try. But you were just like open. As open as your girl is you're that same guy. You weren't like, oh, so many guys are like, don't do this, don't do that. I won't try this because of what's in their brain. It's just a thought that stops them. It's a stigma.
Starting point is 00:51:25 It's what society thinks about certain things. You didn't have that. So you end up trying and look at all the shit that you're into now. Who knew, right? And I think you're here to say that. Maybe you would like Teezza Denal. Maybe you'd like to suck a dick. Maybe you'd think that it's hot to try panties.
Starting point is 00:51:39 Maybe if you put on a cock cage, you'd feel a switch change inside of you and then get into this whole other world and be experiencing all these great things. And I think that's what you're here to say. And I think that that's a really interesting message. Absolutely. Yeah, it's awesome. So thanks so much for calling in and sharing your side of things. Thank you for letting me. No problem. Thanks. Bye. Bye. Okay, I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly anonymous confession, secret sex lives of total strangers, is now available not only in paperback and ebook, but you can pre-order the audio book.
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