Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 784 - James was in a Semi-Open Marriage and Now he's Cheating on his Wife with her Best Friend and a Model?!

Episode Date: March 13, 2024

This one is kind of funny as I do call him a douchebag on more than one occasion...James was in a semi-open marriage and now he’s cheating on his wife with her best friend and a model and he called in to talk all about it. Tune in to hear all the details including how he got his wife to have a bunch of mff threesomes and what went down, the sex parties they would attend and what they would do there, the couple massage that turned into a threesome, how and why their sex life went downhill, how and why he wound up hooking up with his wife’s best friend, the first time they hooked-up and exactly what went down, how and why he fell so hard for her, how he feels he’s in love with her and why, the Eastern European model he met and starting hooking up with and what goes down between them, the medical condition he has that makes him feel okay about the extra “passion” in his life, how and why he doesn’t feel like he’s cheating, how and why he’ll never leave his wife for anyone else plus a whole lot more. **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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It's literally just $5 a month and I feel like you get a lot for that. So all of the links and the emails and the numbers and the websites and all that shit I just talked about are in the description. So you don't have to worry about writing it down today. I have on James. James is fucking funny to me, okay? I call him a douchebag on more than one occasion.

And the first time he gets a little insulted, but by the end we were BFF. He's a character. James is a character. I think he's going to be a controversial character. I think you're going to feel either very one way about him positive or very one way about him negative. I think he's that kind of guy. I appreciated his honesty. I appreciated his conviction for his lifestyle and what he's doing.

He made me laugh a lot. Like I said, I called him a doucheback on more than one occasion. He didn't agree with one thing I said, which is cool. I love a good debate. And I enjoyed him. And the conversation is super interesting. I can't wait to hear what my listeners think about this story because this is a guy. I included his confession on a recent confessions episode.

This is a guy who's married for a while. to a woman that he used to like have three sons with other women and he would go and fuck his wife in front of people at sex parties and he would do massages with her, a couple massages where they do stuff with the masseuse and, you know, they got down and dirty and had great sex, mostly all of their marriage. But after COVID hit, kind of went stale and things went on autopilot and there wasn't really that passion anymore there. But he really still loves his wife. and he wound up having an affair. I mean, he is straight up in love, okay, and you're going to hear all about it in this episode, with her best friend. He knows her for a very long time

before they wound up having sex because it's her best friend. She now lives far away, but when she lived close, they did start a physical affair. You're going to get all the details. They fuck like crazy. The sex was amazing.

He's very much in love with her. And then eventually he wound up meeting another woman in Eastern Europe. woman who happens to be like a 10.7. He talks about how hot she is and he's banging her. And he has a relationship with her and he really cares about her as well. And we talk about all of it. I call him a cheater. He doesn't think he's cheating. He eventually does get to the point where he answers my question of why he doesn't see it as cheating. He definitely talks about other people who do other things and sees them as beneath him. That's where I'm like, you're kind of like a doucheback.

And he's like, he definitely, you know, has his situation framed in a much more, what would you say, highbrow frame than somebody else who cheat. He talks about that. And it's so funny. I don't know. That's what's super interesting about this is the debate that we have. But I appreciate his conviction and I dig his honesty and respect his point of view. I was judging about it and I have my opinions about what he's doing. Like I said, he didn't agree with me. But that's cool. I don't mind it. It makes for an interesting conversation. I think people listening to this, I'm going to be very curious of the comments I see on my Patreon about this guy and how you feel. I think some people are going to be totally seeing things the way I do. And I think a lot of people will be able to see things the way he sees them. And that's what's going to be super interesting about it.

So anyway, I'm going to be right back on with James. Hi, James. Welcome to the strictly anonymous podcast. How are you today? I'm good. Thank you. Nice to be here. Yeah, well, listen, I'm glad you called in and made.

an appointment because your confessions confession that you left on my confessions hotline made it to a recent confession episode it is episode 777 i had a lot of things to say about your confession because when i just get like a little snippet of someone's story i always have a million questions and i'm going to give the short story that you gave me on your confessions that you left for me and then you're gonna then i'm going to ask you all the questions you're going to tell me whole story. But basically, you're an older guy. You've been married. You have a much younger wife as well as two side chicks who are also younger. One of them happens to be her best friend. And I think that's the one you're in love with, quote unquote, that you have another woman

who lives in another country that you're also really into. The funny thing that you said are you They both live in different countries. Oh, her best friend lives in another country too? I'm sorry, I didn't hear that. The best friend lives in another country? two? Both of them. Okay, so you have two, I would say maybe one affair and one booty call besides a wife? No, I have feelings for all of these women. And if I could live on an island with all three of them, I would do that. And that's basically what I was saying on your, on, when I, when I talked back to your, uh, confession. I was kind of like either you're Polly or maybe you're not really in love with the other women. No, we're very traditional. We're not Polly. We're not new age. No, no, no. I know. But I'm saying you might be

wired that way if you're in love with three people at the same time and that's very clear to you. Or you're not in love with the other two, but you feel like you are because it's a shiny new object and it's they live far away and you're not with them every day. I've known her for a long time. Okay, but you know her from another country. It's one thing to have, be in love with. someone that... No, she was living in the state. She just moved. She just moved in the last year. Okay, so let's get the whole story because I had a million questions. I wanted to know whether it's real love or it's just you thinking you're in love because somebody new and it's not an everyday person. I think sometimes, you know, the people... I would classify that I love my wife and I love her best friend and if I had to choose who are for reasons I can give you. And the other woman who's even younger is much newer and in both cases. And

the newer woman. It happened sort of, I didn't go out to seduce anybody. It just happened. I'm not a good lover or I'm not a good guy or I'm not a gentleman. It just surprised me because who expects that in your 60s? Who expects what? I don't know where you're coming from. Who expects to be banging young chicks? Who expects to be like actually cheating on their wife? To be banging young chicks and to have a relationship and to want it not being, I'm not feeding any fetish. This is just people that I like. No, but you might be feeding your ego. Is there any part of you that wonders why you're actually cheating on your wife? Is that a part of your story? You are cheating, right? She's not in the know about these other women. Is she or am I crazy? All right. Well, let me address the cheating thing. So maybe I'm compartmentalizing this in a way that gives me an excuse. But my marriage was in for the last. We were kind of experimental. Now, we didn't swap and we didn't do anything with other couples. But we would go to sex party, and so we would put ourselves in positions where maybe we could be caught fucking, or we did have, could get couples massage in a hotel room on a staycation, that other man.

And we never wanting to, basically, and swap or whatever, because I actually offered my wife that early on because I was getting it occasionally, like a birthday gift or something. What do you mean occasionally? She was giving it to you as a birthday gift? What do you mean? No, we would arrange like a masseuse to come over and massage both of us. In one case, you'll love this. In one case, we had a good friend who was, she went to a sex party with us, and we all did each other at the sex party.

And my wife, for example, encouraged me to come in her mouth in this best friend, this friend's mouth. And somebody else came and tried to join us, and the girls pulled him away, and they were making out with each other. And it was lots of fun. And that was sort of how we rolled in the beginning of the marriage, where I guess 15, 16 years in. But I think COVID changed that because it became worried about germs and whatever else would happen.

And we stopped going to sex parties. And sex for us became very mundane. You know, we watched some porno sometimes to start us off to get more excited. And then, you know, we basically, you know, assume a physician or two and there's nothing because it's very comfortable. And I love her. And she's a great person. but it's just not, it's not blowing my gates off. And in the second woman, the best friend,

was really something, maybe I should tell you that story. Yeah, can we go, let's, I know exactly where we're at right now, but I don't want to fast forward to that. I want to get a little bit of your, you and your wife's story first, okay? Because you did do a lot of hot things, right? Let's talk about those and then work herself up to COVID and you with the best friend. How long were you and your wife, Mary, before you started to do, become so experimental?

Well, we'm like 20 years older and we met each other and she asked me what I liked and did I have any fantasies? Just normal couple talk and love the idea of two women and I'd love to be seen making love publicly and I'd like other people to

watch us and like to be in an environment where other people are doing things but I'm not into the swing of lifestyle and I have no fantasies. I don't want anybody to peg me or something. I have no fantasies that involve men. I'm very heterosexual. And I asked my wife, would she be a little bisexual?

And she said to me that she likes dick. And so I thought that was it. But then she said she could try it. And we had a couple of different times where, you know, she made out or a woman went down on her or in the case of the troubled marriage that I mentioned earlier, it was sort of a free-for-off. It was all lots of fun. And we would make not hotel stuff.

It wasn't like sort of the lower end of that genre. These weren't sex clubs. They were parties put on by promoters in a major city. And it was all very elegant. And in one case, they only wore masks. And in other cases, in all the cases, they restricted who would come. And you had to pass a visual test and send it an application and whatever. And we felt that that was really exciting, particularly like things like massage or bathing together with, you could join in to where she,

was comfortable. We contacted a masseuse. I don't know how we met her, but in her 20s, and she went down on my wife, and I basically just... How did that happen? And when did you, like, when did it start that you were like banging other women in front of your wives? I don't know that I got that. It was always okay when you were doing threesomes that she would not only be able to hook up with the girls you were as well? Yeah, no, I was allowed to fuck the, and I like that. It turned me on. And so in this case, I was fucking the masseuse from the back, and she was going down on my wife from the front. And then she brought out some toys, some beads. And I don't even know how they work because I was too busy fucking.

But my wife, are you comfortable to the masseuse? And she said, no, this is great. I'm enjoying it. And so the whole thing was just a major turnoff. It's all consensual. It's all fun. It's all. We're using protections.

This would be allowed to do whatever she wants to do or whatever she doesn't want to do. So she said, don't fuck. just not, that's not the way I roll and it's not, we're nice people and we're just looking for experience as I'm last forever. It's not like you're going into a, get a regular massage and this just winds up happening. It's not like a hot porn like that. Yeah, and there's no cuckolding or any of that shit, you know, it's not. Well, there's no guys there.

But the woman can have that as well as I understand it. And it's not like that. It's just our pleasure and it's just. Well, let me just tell you, cockles, there's a lot of pleasure going on and there's a lot of love. It's not like you're better higher tier than the cuckled. I think that you think that you think like you're like higher tier. Yeah, I know you do. It's like gross. You're not having higher tier. Everyone's the same fucking tear. Give me a break. Higher tier. That's so stupid. I think the whole idea of pretending that you don't know that she's getting fucked by somebody else is self-delusioned. There's no pretending in those situations.

They know that's what they loved. If there was a pretending, it would be called cheating, which that's what you're doing. But these guys that are cuckleding are in the know. They're jerking off the whole time that they know it's happening. I don't think you get it. But let's just go on. That doesn't matter. So you have that hot threesome with the masseuse. So you were always able to screw other people, right? Well, not always able. It was something that we did together. I never, I never, I went and did something with somebody else and she wasn't part of. And she's, I should say, she's lovely. She's really attractive and she's sexy and I just fell into something. Okay, so let me ask you this. And this whole time that you were doing all these other things, you were fucking in public too. You have that going on,

right? You're like a little bit of an exhibitionist. You did that? A lot of an exhibitionist. I love that. Okay. So you guys, I know that COVID wound up hitting and of course you couldn't go do any of these things. Did you wind up going back to the lifestyle at all since? Never. Never. We took a trip. It just wasn't the same. We couldn't get into it and we, we kind of felt skeevy and it wasn't, it just, it just wasn't the same after COVID and we just thought that we don't love each other because we do. And I would do nothing to hurt her. She's, she's a beautiful, beautiful person. And I'm not, I'm not in any way. I didn't plan what's occurred now. It just happened. No, I know. And listen, that does, that's the, that's the way you go sometimes. That's why I like

to have cheating stories on because I think you have to listen to the whole story to really understand it. Not every single person who's a cheater. You can't put them all in the same category. But what I want to know is because you did say, because I called it cheating and you're just like, maybe I don't think it is that and I'm just compartmentalizing it and let me explain. Is it because your wife allowed you to fuck women before in front of her that you think you kind of have a free pass? Because it doesn't sound like you ever talk to her. Okay. So it's cheating. If she knew about this, she would be really heard. All right. So you were cheating on your wife, right? I know that even in your confession, you try to act like this is a, you call it a unique story. To me, it's a cheating story.

It's actually unique. Can I tell you why? I think it's unique. Yeah, I think it's actually worse than a regular cheating story because it's your wife's best friend. Oh my God. Well, but again, I didn't plan this. No, of course not. Her best friend is, is from Thailand. Okay. She's, she's adorable. And we always like, we always liked each other. We always were very friendly and she had been married. And she, in essence, got cheated on. I stopped in and we went to dinner and she confessed to me that she'd run into the situation with her husband who was a dick anyway. And that she was going to, she didn't know what to do and she started crying and she threw her arms around me. And I just considered we were walking. We took a long walk.

It was a city you could walk in. And we said, good night. And she went home. And then she said to do this again because it really made me feel better. And I said, sure. And when we saw each other, it was like there was an attraction. And we just walked around for a while and held hands and talked. And I listened to her story and was what she was feeling.

And I felt a little protected. It was really some action thing. And nothing happened on that trip and maybe the one after. A few people in it were sitting in, again, it's four or five times. And in this particular time, Strant Bar, we sat in the back and it was very quiet and kind of dark and mahoganyed and whatever. and we had never kissed. We found each other kissing. And it wasn't planned.

We just, and I ran my hand all over her body, and she's a compact package, but she's delicious. And she tasted good. Her nipples were hard. I could see them. And she just said, let's get out of here. And then she said to me, you can't tell any. Yeah, it was just, the moment was just so deep and so passionate. And we got back to where she's on the smaller side.

and the three women are all different heights and different types of looks. And she just like a glove. And I took off her clothes and she took off of my clothes. And when I'm making love now with my wife, we have to use lubrication. And it's very sort of fully lubricated. Of course. It's new.

It's all new. Of course. It's got to be better. And it's cheating, which makes it hot. She's saying stuff to me like, do me from behind. I love that.

And then she's very, very loud. And she went at it for maybe 45 minutes. I'm an older guy. I'm very proud of myself. And then went at it again. And then by the time I came out of her the second time, I noticed it was blood all. It was just all heady.

And she stayed for a couple of hours beyond that. And we just hugged each other and talking to Europe. And she asked if I would go with her for a week. And we had the most unbelievable week together in Europe, where it was like there was nobody but the two of us. And I felt, I love my wife. She loves my wife. We discussed it.

And nobody wanted to hurt anybody and nobody wanted to have this go public because of the families and the communities were in and all the rest of that. But we were just drunk when I left trouble dealing with this. I just loved this woman. It's looking at me and I want to sleep next to her and have her hugged me. And all the passion that I'm missing, I felt like she was giving me. And it was so complete and so on. She's so good to me.

And so I didn't have guilt. I know you're going to ask me that. But what I had was love for both of them. And I was like love crazy in my heart. I once said to basically have everything I've got with both of you together because it's like a perfect combination. It's everything a guy would want. And Bud's goodbye.

She began running away. and over the last three years, she basically, she'd come close, she'd text me or call me, and then she'd run away. And I never pushed it, in fact. We went out to dinner. She was seeing a guy for a while. We went out to dinner with this guy who I thought was a loser, and she knew I thought he was a loser. And we were kind of talking at the table.

The other two, meaning your wife is there? My wife was there, and her boyfriend was there. And basically, I'm saying, what are you doing with this loser? and she's telling me, don't criticize. I have a life too, and we're having a conversation, but nobody's hearing it but the two of us. The loser guy by then, and she came up solo and spent the week, and that was bizarre, because we weren't together,

but we were drawn together, but she was running away from me, but we're in the same location in this obscure sort of mountainous location, and it was, I basically had put, think about her a lot, but she reached out to me about a month ago, And so she said she was thinking about me. She said I popped into her mind, and I knew that she loved me. And so I started talking. And at some point we did a video call because she's living overseas.

And everything you said to me while we were together was right. Any advice you gave me or any feelings that you gave me, I know now that I said, I love you. I love you with all my heart. And I'm not leaving my wife. So I didn't promise anything or whatever. But I do love her. And we're in contact every day. But it's all text messaging.

We haven't seen each other. And I'm dying to see her. But I know that if I do, I'm going to get lost in the situation for a while. How many times did you actually hook up with her? Well, let's say that we probably hooked up in the States, four or five nights. Probably did it three to five times. night and then when we were in years and we probably did it five or six times a day and so two times two different times you've seen her and hooked up with her but then probably four times probably four

times in the states and then a week in europe but i'm just saying take four and seven is eleven and we're averaging four or five times it's you know it's 50 or 60 times i don't mean how many times do you fucker how many times did you have okay you're counting a high five okay great you're like a fucking man you fucked 60 times. I'll give you the medal, okay? Let's get past that. I don't give a fuck about that. I'm not impressed.

I'm not impressed. And I know how to use it. I know how to make a woman come. Okay, but I'm not focusing on how great of a lover you are. We don't care. No one cares. I'm focusing about like your relationship with this girl and your quote, unquote, love for her. I'm wondering how many times you did see her.

It doesn't sound like you guys had a lot of time together as lovers. I know you fucked a lot and you're great and bad and all that shit. And it was like really intense. and amazing and supercharged as cheating sex with a new person always is. Okay, it's never bad. It's always better than that person that you've been banging for 20 years at home. Of course it's going to be better. And it's something new.

And listen, that thing of not having that passion at home and feeling that and really probably going towards that girl more because of that is a very common reason why people do cheat. You're feeling that thing that you haven't felt in your primary relationship in a long time. It's a reason why men and women cheat always. It's very common. but I'm wondering after that time that you saw her in Europe for that whole week, you didn't,

you haven't been with her for a long time, right? Like romantically? But you're still whole, but you still consider yourself, quote, unquote, in love with her. Yeah. Do you think you love the idea of that feeling of what you don't have with your wife? It's me. I love the way she holds me. I love the way we talk together.

I love spending time with her. I love the affection she showed me. I love her. And I know what love is. I'm not a child. I understand what love is. And you're saying it's like a shining new penny and you're all excited because it's one off. But you fuck somebody 80 times.

No, no, no. Fucking someone 80 times and that time and now we're, first of all, before it was 60, now it's 80. By the end of this, it's going to be you fucked her 150 times. I know. I know you're patting yourself on the back. You got a big fucking ego. It's like hilarious. If you were my friend, oh, my God, I would be laughing at you all the time because you got a vibe about you.

That's fucking hilarious. Okay, you're like a character. But listen, I mean, the fact that you can't see that it might not be true love. I think you love the sex and you love the thing. I mean, you've been with her two times. Like, you haven't been with her that much is all I'm saying. You haven't spent like every day with her. It's four nights in the States.

It's seven nights overseas. You do sound like a child now. But leaving that aside. case for a moment. I love talking to her. Yeah. I love I like the interplay between us. I love the affection. It's not just the fucking. So yeah, sure I love to fuck her. But, you know, that's, you know, what I love about it

is the person, just as I love my wife. Yeah. I can tell you unequivocally, I love my wife. But you're not involved with her anymore, really. And you guys haven't slept with each other for a while. It sounds like maybe her conscious got like the better of her and she didn't want to do that to her friend. Obviously, that's the reason why she runs from you, correct? Yeah, but she's now not running. And for the past month, she's been, we've been communicating several times a day and we're talking, we're doing video calls, and we're doing it without sex because we're not in the same location. And one of the reasons that I haven't made plans

to go visit would put the relationship into a, I feel badly or whatever. But, you know, at the end of the day, clearly what I like about her is her. It's not just fucking her. It's her. No, and I think that that's a smart alternative. Listen, you want this girl in your life. You really enjoy her company. You get a lot out of even just talking to her. It's way smarter, I think, to throw the sex out the window so you don't have to feel bad. She doesn't have to run. I want to fuck her again, though. I know. She does take my breath. She does take my breath away. Okay. You're just going to argue with everything. I say, okay. So, but right now, that's not on the table, right?

Well, it could be. If I got on a plane tomorrow, she's going to fuck me. It's not without, but I'm trying to control, and then I've got this other situation that's popped up, and I didn't plan that either. So let's get to that situation. Eastern Europe, and she's, my wife is probably nine. This woman is a good six feet. She's basically my height, and we just talked.

Again, it just happened. And I didn't plan anything, but we ended up in bed. And she came over the next night. And since then, we're just in contact just about every day. And she likes me, and I like her. I'm not in love with her. It's not the same as the Thai girl. But it's like a different variation.

She's bauxum and she's curvy. But she's thin. I like thin women. And my wife is lanky, but a little shorter and probably a little, probably about 10 years older. But they're both lovely, lovely women. and you could put the Thai woman on somebody's shoulders, and then she would be the same size with this woman. The one thing I will tell you, in this case,

I agree with everything you're saying about cheating. The sex was great. It wasn't as good as the Thai woman. For all the experiences, years on earth, I just loved her, and every time I'm with her physically, I just lose myself. Yeah, listen, I mean, I do personally feel like the cheating aspect combined with the fact that this woman you do have history with her,

you know her very well. Those kinds of layers definitely add to that experience. I've fucked guys who are like my best friends and the sex, even if there's no love there, the sex is 10,000 times better and more layer than when I fuck a stranger, right? Because you have all that history and you know them as a person. So it's a totally different experience. Of course it's going to be great. And I do.

do think that you add the cheating in and it adds something to it. So, I mean, I'd be more surprised if you told me the sex wasn't good. But if you're thinking I'm getting off on the cheating, I'm not. I'm just saying that the sex is with her, of course, is going to be better than the other person. That's all I'm saying. You're a black. You're just like you got to, you're a contrarian. You're a lot of fucking things, okay?

You're also a contrarian. You can't agree with one fucking thing I say. I like everybody. I like characters. I mean, you got like a douchebag vibe, a little. bit like but I say that in the nicest way kind of a little bit a little bit you're a little duchy you're like a little bit like you think you're better than everybody that's like a douchebag vibe to me and I don't think you would wear that as a badge of honor I don't think I'm better than

anybody okay what I am is an older guy who shouldn't be attracting really pretty women like this and I think it's because I've got a certain type of personality that that is honest and I don't lie like the woman in Eastern Europe. I told her right away I'm married and I could have tried to hide that but I didn't. I know but some people would say okay we could say yeah you're very honest with the people you're cheating with but you're not honest with your wife so you're not completely an honest person because I don't want to hurt her I know I love her too I don't want to know but does that make you honest or nice? I think so you really I think it makes me honest and I think look there's something else that's a twist that I'll give you I've got a major

health issue. And it's not that I can't deal day to day, but in a long term, whether or not I end up in a wheelchair or whatever, I'm not sure what's going to happen. And I've got to continue to play the regimen. And I'm conscious of time. So in a way, I'm glad to have these experiences while I still can. I don't know whether that will last 30 years or 20 years or five years. There's no telling. It's not something I can control, even though I do the things I can control. if that makes sense. Yeah, of course. When did that diagnosis come down the thing for you?

Like, when did you find that out? About seven years ago. So seven years ago. But you've been okay and able to do stills? I have moments. Okay. Do you want to mention what it is, or you just want to just throw that in there

that this is like a part of maybe the reason? Whatever I tell you, you'd be in a wheelchair or worse, and my biggest best of myself or shower or feed myself. Yeah, that's so fucking. scary. And there's no one could tell you if you're going to wake up tomorrow and that's going to happen. Like you kind of live with that knowing that it's always in the horizon. That's scary.

What you do, what you do, Kathy, is you follow the regimen that you can. You control the things you can control. Yeah. And you make your peace. I've got children or your grandchildren and I don't want them to look at me like that guy. You're moaning all the time and

you're looking for sympathy. Yeah. So I'm strong and I'm physically strong. And my doctor, says to me that if I didn't have this condition, I'd be really healthy because all my tests are good. All my blood work is good and whatever, and I'm not heavy and I'm in good shape and I exercise. But there are things I can't control and it definitely gets tougher. But at the end of the day, clearly, I would like to, I'd like to experience some passion before I can't. If it ever happens that I can't. Right. So let me ask you this as far as like what's go. Am I still a douche after

that? You got a douchebag vibe. There's nothing wrong with that. Girls like douchebags. I'm sorry. Like, you take it negatively. I don't think it's, you know... I think of a douchebag. I'm not that guy. Oh, I think of a douchebag of somebody like that kind of thinks they're better than other people and is a little puffed-down. I know where my strengths are. I know where my weaknesses are. Yeah. Okay. I can tell you one thing. Yeah. I'm a good lover. If I wasn't, if I wasn't, if I wasn't, none of these women would come back for more, I think. Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah. Obviously, if you could fuck 60 times in a week, that's great. That's, I give you that badger honor.

She turned me on. I was just, I just couldn't get a mouth of her. Yeah. Yeah, I get it. So let me ask you this, though, about your wife because you've got this thing going on with your wife. Have you tried to ignite the passion again in your relationship with your wife? This was a woman that was very open.

She was going to sex parties with you. She was down to have threesomes with women. Have you not tried to focus on? your sex life with your wife and make it better? We have the normal couple stuff where, you know, whether it's children or other obligations or grandchildren or whatever. And life moves on sometimes with people. I think there's a bit of a shelf life, if you will, on past.

It's why I'm not sure that you can be in love completely over your head. Maybe people can convince themselves they are, but I think at a certain point in life, that goes away and there's a shelf life maybe it's 10 years maybe it's 20 and it was also a long-term marriage with none of the accruedament in fact one of the reasons why I got divorced the first time is that I didn't desire my ex-wife and

she was a very attractive woman also from an overseas location very exotic and very lovely and very talented and very smart feeling of the passion and I didn't feel any any compassion with my wife now she she's just a giver and a care giver and she's

just a nice person and I know that I got much thicker, she would be there for me. And I've got a bond with her that goes beyond anything anybody else could give me. And I'm not, don't get, I'm going to love her until I die. But you don't have any intention, like you feel like that ship has sailed, and so there's no point in trying to work on it? I just think that it's become like a thing. She gets everything ready a certain way, and sometimes she takes her top off,

sometimes she doesn't. And fucking a sweatshirt is probably the most unimaginable. un-fuckable thing you can imagine. Okay, but I mean, okay, but this is a woman that used to let girls go down on her. You get a pussy sucked by other women. I get it, but it's, again, I think she's gone past that. I asked her recently, would you want to go back to a sex party just to get our, get our Jones on? Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not interested in that anymore, and I don't want to do that. And I didn't press it. So the point I'm making is that I can love. my wife and I can love her with out necessarily the way you love somebody. I love spending time with her. I'm like, I don't spend time with her. I enjoy her. But she's just not naturally as affectionate as the Thai girl in particular. And the Eastern European woman is also very, very affectionate. She's also a very nice woman. All three women, they're very nice. There's nobody who would meet them and not

really say these are lovely terrific women all of them and I'm I in some ways and maybe this is the undushi thing but in some ways I I actually feel very grateful that I've had these experiences because I'm not out soliciting I'm not somebody I can I can hook up with in all cases it just happened it was natural it was organic and and with all three of them they're just really great people And I'm really privileged to have time with them. I do, though, think, unfortunately, for your wife, that when there is a problem in the marriage, if one of those, if one person in the marriage winds up going and solving that problem by getting their needs met by somebody outside of the marriage, then they're less likely to do the work

that it would take to resolve the issue in the primary relationship, because you don't need to. you're getting your needs met other places so you're fulfilled both these women live over but you're talking to them all the time i'm just saying that you are i understand why you don't have the need or the desire to really fix things with your wife because you kind of have fulfilled the part of you that was missing something with these other women they they're fulfilling that part of you they're filling you up you feel fulfilled you got three checks they all give you something that you want and you're happy and content. What's the game?

Mary fuck or kill? I wouldn't kill any of them. Yeah, yeah, no, I get that. It's very obvious you like them all. They're all serving a purpose for you. Each one brings something different to the table. The Thai woman, even when she just shows up again and says, you know, I've had you on my mind or whatever, it makes me feel like warm and fuzzy all over.

It's like, you know, 18-year-old whose girlfriend decided to go to the prom. That's why cheating situations happen because they do offer that kind of passion, that a relationship that's been together for 40 years is lacking. It goes away. There's a very different thing than a long-term relationship than an affair. They have definitely different fields to them. The affairs are always more supercharged. Can I say something else? Of course.

Yeah. I respect her for trying to get away from me. I didn't pursue her and I heard come back to me. But if she had never come back, I would never have initiated because I respect what the right thing was. And we may get together physically because with the ticking clock that I feel I have, I wouldn't turn that down. And certainly the Eastern European woman, I pass through where she is every few months. And we'll have a few nights together and then we'll talk and I'm going to stay friends with her. But if I had to give one up, but it's also the thing I would give up,

because I just have this type of love that I think is romantic love for the Thai woman. And for my wife, I've got the gripe of love. And when you add those three together, it's really kind of an interesting package. And the fact that they want to be with me, there is an ego stroke to that. And I'm grateful for that. Yeah, I'm telling you, these are all the reasons why people do wind up cheating. It does fulfill certain things within yourself. And it does fill up certain things that you're not getting.

in that long-term relationship, things that have flown out the window, because like you said, your life gets busy, time goes by, you've got family, kids, there's a lot of things that you're tending to in that relationship that you're never going to tend to with a woman who you're not with and you're not dating, who lives in another country, who you're close with, and is just your friend. It's never going to be the same. You cannot compare. Well, even if I was to take the Thai woman and take her separately and say, yeah, I'm crazy about her. I love her in a crazily passionate way. I know that we come from different values. We come from different types of ethnicities and backgrounds and religions and all of that.

And I'm better served and as a lifestyle. But I will tell you, if I could go on a desert island for a couple of weeks with the Thai girl, that would be my best fantasy to have at this point. You mean just like for two weeks or something, you mean? Yeah, just so we were, you know, hugging and kissing and mingling and fucking and, you know, all the things that we like to do. And I just, I don't love looking at her. You know, I love looking at all three of them, to be honest. But they're all beautiful women. I mean, I'm, I don't want to say blessed because you're going to call me a cheater again.

Well, you are a cheater. Come on, you are. You're not, you don't feel bad about what you're doing. So why, okay, let me ask you this, because it's interesting. I love putting these stories out there because it's like they're, they're definite, this is going to be a definite conversation starter, okay? I can't wait to hear how people chime in here. And I love this episode.

I love how much you disagree with me. I love how you stand firm and what you fucking think and everything. Like, really, I do. I like you too. So thank you for that. Yeah. So, but what I want to know is why don't you, like, answer that question because so many people are going to be like, but you are a cheater.

Like you're doing this behind. wife's back. She doesn't know if she found out she'd be upset. She'd definitely think it's cheating. Why don't you believe it is? Like, how have you compartmentalized it in your brain so you don't file it as I'm a cheater? What do you file it as? I feel like all of these women is straight up. In other words, I feel like, first of all, to myself, I don't fool myself. I'm not going to, I've got ground rules set in my own head. And the ground rules I've shared, for example, the Eastern European woman, She said to me, ultimately I'd like to be married and I'd like to have another baby. She has a daughter.

And I said to her, well, on the first one, I'm not leaving my marriage. And on the second one, I've had a vasectomy, so good luck on that. I feel like there's no, I'm not lifestyle or her, you know, I'm not bringing somebody home and fucking are in my bed or whatever. Everything I'm doing is compartmentalized. In terms of the Thai girl, I think it's an idyllic love. I think it's like the love that they write about. And love has tragedy and it has pathos and it has happiness and it has meaning. And I love the idea that I can love in my 60s.

I can be passionate about somebody. But our relationship, not only with my long-term relationship than I've had with them or with her, and I know that there's a conflict there for her. And I know she's also fragile. what her, I said to her once, what her husband did to her, which was real cheating because it was with like prostitutes and stuff. Most people would say your kind of cheating is worse. Actually, I would. If I had to, like, as I talk about this all the time, I always say, like, you can't put them all in one cat, the same category.

You can't put the philanderer in with the guy whose wife has been in menopause for 10 years and didn't fuck him and he went and saw an escort. You know what I mean? Those two guys are very different. They're coming from a very different place, very different. backstory. You can't judge them equally if you're going to be judging about it, right? And so it's interesting to me, and this is where I think the douchebag quality comes in, which I like. I think you're fucking funny. Okay. And is where you think the guy who's fucking the prostitutes is worse than the guy who's fucking and in love with his wife's best friend. Oh my gosh. Because I know she's clean. I know

she's not going to give me a disease. Oh, yeah. So you think every prostitute has a disease. I mean, that's kind of like a Well, no, I just think if you fuck indiscriminately, somewhere you have a chance of catching something. Well, listen, most prostitutes are very into safe sex. This is a business for them, and they do it on the up and up. And I'm sorry, but a guy has the right to put a condom on. And so if that guy's fucking prostitutes, you'd hope that that's what he's doing. I know the answer to this question's a hard no. But if you ever wore a condom, you'd understand why that's so restricting. It's like putting a raincoat on in the sunshine. I love it. So you fuck your girls without condoms, too. I fuck both of them without condoms

But they're not fucking anybody else Oh my gosh Okay They're just loyal to you Yes they are Okay You think that's so unusual You think that the girl

The Eastern European girl Who's six feet tall Got a curvy body And she's skinny She's a model She's a model You think she's not fucking anybody else Except you

I think she's I think when she met me She stopped fucking anybody else Because Oh my God This is the best part Of this whole episode People are

Spitting their coffee out as they're listening. That's so fucking funny. Let me say this, dude. She lives in a country. She lives in a country where she would be visible. If she was out with guys every night, I would know about it. It's a small country.

So you know everybody that lives in her country and they would report back to you? I know enough people that the party scene is a very... Oh, my God. You're so fucking funny. I love that. Listen, I think that the big difference between me and you and where there's this big disconnect is... I'm like the opposite. Like, you are at one end of a spectrum and I'm at the...

the total other. You're a lot more cynical, though. No, no, no, I'm not cynical. I'm, like, very much like a realist. I live in major reality, almost to an extreme. Like, if, like, I always make jokes, if some guy put flower petals to, well, like a bed, I would, like, immediately get unweb.

When you had that woman. I don't think that's hot. Just stop and let me talk, okay, for one's fucking second. So I'm very much like a realist. But I do think, though, that you were at the, so the opposite end of the spectrum where you were so, like, highly romanticized. You almost live in a novel

in this like fantasy land place or either one of us wrong like no it's just who we are you know I just think that that's the disconnect with me and you talk into each other that adds to it you know because the fact that you think that this fucking supermodel chick isn't banging every guy she sees to try and replace you because you're never going to give her a baby and she's just happy with you a guy that she's going to have no future with that doesn't live there you're out of your mind you work for now, but she's trying to make a future for herself. Are you dating the dumbest woman alive? No.

No, you're dating a smart bitch. Yeah, so there's no way she's not going on dates and trying to meet other guys and fucking them. And anyone that fucks you with that economy, fuck someone else with an economy. So you're just not that much better than the guy that was fucking prostitutes, okay? So say what you needed to say. Why does the younger woman who's 37 in Eastern Europe not go and, you know, and like the town.

She's got a mother who's ill. She's got a father. She's support. She's got a brother and a family. She helps. She's got a little kid who's in her, not so little actually, but mid-teens. That she has to steward. She has a ex-husband who's a deadbeat.

She's not looking to go out and go into nightclubs and fuck guys. That's not her first priority. She wants to have something that allows her to have two things. And I give her both. One is she needs somebody to talk to, and somebody who can advise her and somebody who can help. her create a better life for herself and maybe help her with opportunities because I can introduce her to people and whatever with no strings attached and and and I've said to her many

times I'll continue doing this whether we're involved or not this is not continuing to go. Yeah I know where you're going with this and we have to end because we're like at an hour but listen I know where you're going with this with her I would just say that I'm not saying that she's out banging the world I'm just saying that there's no way that eventually if not now if she met a guy at Starbucks because she's a hot bitch and guys probably hit on her all the time. that if she was interested, there's no way she's not taking that date with that guy because of you. That's all I'm saying. I think that...

I think as long as it lasts, as long as it lasts, she's going to ride with me. And then in terms of a Thai girl, I think if you listen to this, you'll get the secret of the sauce, if you will. Yeah. I think her thing is she actually really loves me. And I think that in a way, that's why she got back in touch with me. I didn't violate that. I didn't push her. I do tell her I love her and I do love her. But at the end of the day, she clearly has a feeling for me that both scares her and repels her in a way. And it's like a moth with a flame. She still wants to go to the flame because I think she knows we're good together.

And in limited circumstances, obviously, I'm not suggesting we had a life together. But my wife and I have had a life together. And so in a way, I'm really blessed. I could be in a wheelchair five years from now, to me, part of it's not up to me. But at the close of all of this, I'll have had these experiences for as long as they last, but I'll stay with my wife because she is my wife. I'm cheating. Cheating is somebody who, in my mind, is looking to do it in a sleazy way or do it where they're, I can't even describe. But I'm just going to tell you this. And then we have to wrap it up. I could talk to you for two more hours because I love your opinions that are so opposite

mind. I respect anyone that has conviction for what they fucking believe, even if it's not my opinion. But like I just want to tell you, though, that, you know, the guy who's out there, like this guy, quote unquote, that you're, you know, putting beneath you that is like fucking prostitutes or whatever. Like, trust me, it doesn't feel sleazy to them. They're not doing it because it feels. feel sleazy. Most of them are making best friends with those prostitutes. I've heard their stories

and they're so close with them and they're talking to them and they're developing relationships for them. They're feeling the same thing. It's not the guy, even the philanderer, they're doing it for the same reason and they're having the same experience. You're not that different. I'm telling you that that's impossible. Because when you kiss somebody you love, as opposed to kissing somebody who's getting paid for an hour or two, the feeling is different. Look, I was a stud when I was younger. fucked many, many, many women. And I can tell you, fucking without love is like fucking with a condo. It's exactly that.

It should have a condone. It's a good metaphor for that type of fucking because it's nothing. You don't want to kiss the person. You don't want to be kissed by the person. You just want to get off. She just wants to get your dollars and move on. And I never fuck prostitutes. I never fucked escorts.

I never... Okay, but I'm just saying you're not... I know that you think that that guy is more of a scumbag. But some people would think like falling in love with somebody else and then fucking them behind your wife's back is way worse than the guy that's not even kissing someone and just fucking someone because, you know, just to get their rocks off. Like some people would think you're worse. The distinction is I didn't plan it. It happened. Yeah, I get it.

It wasn't planned on either side. It just happened. Particularly with a tie girl. I was drawn to her and I've been drawn to her every minute of every day in my waking moments since I, since we. we got together. I know. I get it. I love your little story.

I think that you're living in it. It's really fulfilling you. I appreciate your honesty. I dig your conviction for how you feel and how you see things. I think we all frame things the way we frame things. And that's the way it exists for us. And that's just fucking it. I don't think we ever really got an explanation of why you don't think it's cheating.

Or I think you finally got to it. I think some people will disagree. But that's how you sit with it. That's how you sit with it. That's how you frame it. And I think it's super interesting. And I, like I said, I appreciate you calling in and telling your story because I think it's definitely going to be a conversation story.

So I can't wait to hear what people think. And thank you so much for calling in. Listen, I always say, like the cheaters who feel really guilty about what they're doing, those are the ones that get caught. I would say to you, make sure your wife never finds out. She probably never will because you have no confliction about what you're doing. You're very clear about it. And also, I treat it.

her with the respect and dignity and love she deserves. I definitely love my wife. I've said that many times in this conversation. I say it again. I love her. I love a tight girl. I know. I know. And that's what's interesting. And I'm starting to love the Eastern European girl. What can I tell you? And we could all say in your world, all those things could exist at the same time and be true. It's not like, oh, you're cheating on your wife because you can't fucking stand her. It has nothing to do with that. It's just that there was something lacking. You found it someplace else. You continue on. You're fulfilled. Okay. So listen. What do we call you?

What's your fucking name? James. James. Thanks for calling in and entertaining. This was fun talking to you. I have fun talking to you. You as well. You know how to reach me if you ever want to reach you.

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