Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 788 - Joe and his Wife are Both into Hooking up with Other Guys

Episode Date: March 19, 2024

Joe and his wife Mary (ep. #787) are both into hooking up with other guys and he called in to talk all about it. Tune in to hear all the details including how and why he decided to cop to being bisexual and into guys and how his wife reacted, how they decided to go out and find guys to hook up with, the rules they had going in, what went down the first time they hooked up with a guy and what went down, how and why he considers himself a switch , the second guy they met up with and what went down with him, how he enjoys cleaning up as well as kissing guys, how his wife told some of their friends and how they reacted, how his wife is pickier than him, how he is able to play solo with guys and what goes down, his solo visit to an adult bookstore and his hook up with a crossdresser and what exactly what went down between them plus a whole lot more. **To see pics of JOE and HIS WIFE MARY plus anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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It's literally just $5 a month and I feel like you get a lot for that. So all of the links and the emails and the numbers and the websites and all that shit, I just talked about or in the description. Okay, so today I have on Joe. I said 10 times on this episode that I want to fix them up with Samantha, who called in recently. Samantha and her husband, she found out her husband was into guys and now they're hooked up with guys. And Joe's the same, but he's, it's the guy that's calling in. Joe was a guy that always knew he was into guys secretly. He never brought it up to anybody. He eventually did in his 40s, bring it up to his wife. And after he put it on the table, you wouldn't believe what, how?

happened. Not only was his wife down with it, she's totally into it. They have been with guys. They eventually started solo playing with guys. They've gotten into the whole hot wiping experience. They are very open with each other. They are living their best life. They have been open with other people as well. And we talk about that too. He did have some feelings about the whole hot wiping situation. And he talks about the feelings that did come up and why he had some reservations and what he enjoyed about it as well. They don't have many rules, but they talk about some stuff that they have rules that they had going in and all that kind of good stuff. It's a super interesting story and I have super hot picks of them over on my Patreon. They'll also be on my

Discord. So make sure you go and sign up there to see them. If you're a by guy that's living a secret life, you're going to be jealous of Joe. His story is great. He's living his life now out and proud and I think it's wonderful. So anyway, I'm going to be right back on with Joe. Hi, Joe. Welcome to the strictly anonymous podcast. How are you today? Good. How are you? I'm good. So Joe, you are a by guy. Now, I don't know you have to tell me, you're going to tell me the whole story, but I don't remember if it's that your wife didn't know that you were buying and then in the middle of your marriage she found out. But where you're at now is you are by and your wife is totally cool with you hooking up with guys and you guys do it together. Was it a secret life for you at one point?

It wasn't. It was a secret life in my head, but I was not acting out on it at all. I had fantasies. I had a feeling that I liked men, but I didn't do anything with it until after I had talked to my wife and opened up, and I guess, for lack of a better way to put it, came out of the closet. Yeah, interesting. So how old were you and how long were you married at that point that you put that on the table? So we had been married 20 years at that point. Wow. And I was, this was a little over a year and a half ago, so I was 44 at the time. Wow.

And what made you decide to do it out of nowhere? So I think it was a lot of changes in both of us and in our marriage as a whole. We had kind of gone through a phase where we were maybe a little bit more conservative and close-minded, had been going to church and had had. kind of been, I don't want to make this about my feelings on church, but a little bit brainwashed by some of the closed-minded conservative Christian Maloney. And so as we stepped away from that, I think we opened up a little bit more and then we were kind of opening up in our relationship a little bit more as far as being able to share our feelings and our thoughts. And I was getting

to a point, honestly, where I probably needed to do some counseling just because I was pretty closed emotionally. I've been through a lot of stuff and, and, and, hadn't really dealt with it. And so I was planning to do that. So it was all kind of working towards this. And then kind of the crescendo of that. And when it came out was we were on our, once a year, we go on a trip for our anniversary, just pick a random location that we want to see and we spend a weekend there. And we were in southern Utah at Zion National Park. And just, it's a different vibe between us when we're away from the kids and on vacation, clearly. We're relaxed, we're enjoying our life, and we talk a lot. And so kind of what, what

tipped this off was we were in a coffee shop one morning before we were going out to do whatever the fuck it was, we were going to do that day. And a, the server at the counter was a trans woman. And I had just off the cuff mentioned to my wife that, hey, you know, that she, she's attractive to me. That person is attractive to me. And it kind of sparked up this conversation like, huh, okay, that's, that's interesting. And it didn't bother her. She's a very liberal, very open-minded person, but she wanted to delve into it a little bit. So, you know, she asked questions. And basically, I just kind of was like, oh, it's just something I'm curious about. And she asked the next question. She said, what else are you curious about? And I thought in my

head, well, shit, here we go. And so I told, I just, I basically told her that, hey, for, for, for years. I've had fantasies about men. I've watched gay porn. I've thought about men. I've been intrigued with Cox. And I think that there's a possibility that I'm bisexual. And it was received very well from her. She was intrigued by it. She's a very curious individual. She will be curious and ask questions before she ever judges. Yeah, yeah. That's like me. Yeah. Evidently, she's the exception, not the rule in the world. Most people aren't curious about anything except themselves. Yeah, for real.

So it kind of just went down that road of, hey, this is an interesting subject. Let's continue to talk about this and explore this together. So nothing happened immediately. This was a, okay, let's start talking about how you might, how this might play out in our relationship and whatnot and how you might explore this in yourself. and she really wanted to kind of think through how that could happen. And so originally, as this conversation took place, we're still in Utah, we're still on vacation,

we're talking a lot, spending hours and hours on the end together, and we're talking about, well, do we open our marriage up a little bit? Do we see other people? Do you have interest in women? Her answer is the same now as it was. I have interest, but I just don't know if I'm ready yet, and I don't know how I want that to happen. So we feel like we're getting closer on that. We've had a lot of conversations about her,

maybe even making a profile on like a lesbian dating site. But we just haven't gotten there. Okay. So you're still on that vacation talking? Yep. Still on that vacation, talking, examining all these things. And pretty much in the end, we kind of decide that this is something we would like to potentially just explore together for now.

She would feel comfortable with, hey, I'm okay with you being with a man, but I'd like to be there. Yeah. That's cool. I don't have a problem with that. So that began probably about a four-month kind of search evidently, and especially if you don't know where to search because we're new with that and we just don't have a clue. It was hard to know where to search to try to find said man. Where do you find a bisexual man that wants to be with a man and a woman at the same time? Yeah. And so kind of looked on Facebook for Facebook groups, found a couple, looked for different apps and websites and and, and, you know, and. found a couple of those. I think the one we we kind of were on for a while, had a profile on was called BuyCupid. Okay. And it was all right, but you get, you get frustrated with this process too, because people fucking ghost you

constantly and they message you and you get excited. You're like, oh, this person's actually interest. This person wants to meet with us. No, what they want to do is get you to start talking dirty to them, send them pictures and jack off. That's what they want to do. So there was a lot of frustrations along the way and a couple times where we just kind of dialed it back like fuck this this is a pain of the ass but at that point my the side of me that is bisexual at that point because i'm basically at that point saying yeah that's what i am is really wanting to try this and so pass forward a little bit four months down the road we find a guy that is we can call him frank and and frank was it was good because it was our first experience, but looking back on it now, it wasn't good.

Kind of our deal was, let's meet with someone first every time, like, out to eat, drinks, whatever. And we kind of stuck with that. So with Frank, we had chatted with him a lot together on, I don't remember whether there was text or what platform it was. Chatted with them a lot together. Kind of had his sexual chemistry going. Met him for some lunch. And then, and it was like a daytime, like a Thursday afternoon. and I did a hotel together.

And you could tell, like, all three of us, just crazy nervous. Let me ask you a quick question. Going into this, what were the rules that you guys had? How involved was she going to be? Was she going to bang the guy? Were you just going to fool around with the guy? What kind of situation did you guys all sign up for? So essentially it was that our rules all along had been, hey, at any time,

someone can pull the blood. Yeah. That's kind of rule number one. If you don't feel comfortable, say so. We're really good nonverbally together. I can look in her eye and know what she's feeling and vice versa. So we kind of had that going. I didn't mind.

If I was going to be with the guy, I didn't mind. She was going to be with the guy as long as we were both there together and we felt comfortable with it. So that was kind of what we rolled with. We had some random other boundaries, just things we were just not going to do. No violence, that kind of shit. Yeah. So also along the way is we're trying to hook up a date like this, we're finding out that everybody wants you to be defined.

Everybody wants you to have a definition. What are you? We're like, oh, look what the fuck we are. We're a couple that's married. We're like you. We're exactly like you. That's why we're all talking. Yeah.

So we did finally, I guess, define it as non-monogamous, ethically non-monogamous pansexual. Okay. So anyway, we're with. Frank and he's real nervous but I'm I'm like the kind of guy the kind of person that's I'm not going to sit around and be nervous I'm going to jump off that cliff so essential I unzipped Frank's pants and suck his dick in me oh my god for you because you've been like this is something you've been pining for your whole life we really didn't go back and and talk about when you started you know watching male porn and stuff but you you know you're at this

point you're in your 40s you've been doing it your whole life you finally copped to it and now you got a dick in your mouth like that was that you're that like a great was that great for you it was yeah i wanted to fuck a dick for as long as i could remember and i loved it i mean i i still love it to this day i i have a dick in my mouth so yeah so it was it was awesome to do that i did not kiss frank i was at a point where i was like i don't know if i want to kiss a dude yeah that felt weird to me but we messed around with him a lot he never got fully hard so he didn't have sex with my wife and he didn't have sex with me.

I did fuck him, I believe. And if my memory serves, this has been over a year ago now. Yeah. And I certainly fucked my wife. And we really enjoyed that. And just so that experience was over pretty quick. On a side note,

it's funny how many of these men will tell you that they're straight. And I always laugh because I'm like, if you're straight, then why is your dick in my mouth right now? Why is my dick in your ass? Well, did you listen to Dr. Joe Courts? episode? I aired it twice. Well, you should before you make that assumption because I used to argue with all my guests, okay, but I have talked to hundreds of people and there are plenty of guys who are straight that every now and then just want to suck a dick. Telling you. And when you listen to his episode, he's a sexologist. He's got his PhD. He's a smart dude. He's gay. And when he explains it, the way he explains it, there's a difference between sexual orientation and erotic orientation. Sometimes someone's just doing it because of it. He's erotic to them in that moment. And that's it.

It doesn't mean anything else. So when he explains it, it is true. And I used to feel the same way you did. I'm just telling you, go listen to that episode. For you, I think you would really enjoy it. It's super interesting. Yeah. And I can see that point.

I will say that some of the guys like Frank, for instance, said, oh, well, I'm bisexual, but, you know, in my out, I'm closet bisexual is what he said, but really I'm a straight man. And, but this straight man really didn't show a lot of interest in my wife that day. So I don't think he was all that straight man. He seemed like he was a very gay man that needed to come out of the closet. Yeah, yeah, maybe. Like he's, listen, he was closeted.

Everybody has their different story. I talk to so many people that have this seemingly the same story. But when you ask a million questions, you find out that it's a, it is a very different story. And that's why I'll talk to a hundred guys that like a dick in their mouth. And I'm going to get a hundred different stories. but I will tell you a lot of the times the story is I'm fucking straight, but every now and then I like to suck a dick and I love women. Frank's story would be probably, maybe like you said, very different.

Maybe he is fully gay and he just hasn't come to terms with that. We don't know. True. And everybody is different, no doubt about it. And what we've figured out is something different turns everybody on. Yeah, totally. But let me ask you this. After that first experience, you're with Frank.

It's the first time you blow someone. It's the first time your wife sees Guy on Guy Action. This wasn't something she was pining for, but she was open for it. Did she why, was it like exciting for her? Did she, was she into it? Turns out she loves it. Interesting. She loves seeing me with a man.

She loves seeing me sucking a dick. She loves seeing a guy suck my dick. She loves seeing me get fucked. She just loves it. Turns her on so much. Yeah. It's crazy. And it just, it had this effect on our marriage.

And our marriage was already going way better than it ever been. Because all of a sudden, hey, we're just being open with each other about everything. And almost right after that trip where I came out to her, I started doing some counseling and kind of opened myself up emotionally where I could actually express some shit for once in my life. I wasn't just a man being a man and holding everything inside. Yeah. So all this plus now we've had this experience and our marriage was just incredible. Like we had sex for days just talking about. it and thinking about it and what did you like what did i like and just it was awesome and it

it's it always every time we're with a guy together same situation quick question because you did say oh i i i know like he didn't fuck me but i fucked him so are you a switch like you could go either way yep okay cool i will say that i prefer bottom uh-huh i do i enjoy a dick in my ass not going to beat around the bush there at all but i don't mind uh going the other way either. All right, cool. So your switch. To be honest, if I'm going to fuck someone, I would just assume fuck my wife.

Okay, so let's go back to Frank. So you have that experience with Frank. Your wife loves it. You love it. It's not ideal because he doesn't get hard at last quick. I get it. But it's still great because it is your first time finally getting what you want. It's better than nothing at that point.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Okay. So then we're pretty motivated at that point to find who's next. So we keep searching. I think this may have been the one we found on ByCupid.

We find this guy. His name is Gary. And he is interesting. I had seen him on the site, and I didn't think my wife would have any interest because he was a big guy. But not big fat, big power lifter strong. Like not defined muscle and all that, but just big. No, no. I think girls like that.

I like that. That's my type. Yeah. It turned out that really turned her on. She's like, I just want him to pick me up and fucking throw me around. Yeah, it's very, it's like a manly man, man. And I'm like, okay, I'm down with that. I think he's, I mean, he's decent looking enough that let's, let's do it.

So we end up hooking up with this guy. And again, same thing, never gets hard. And I'm like, all right, this is getting irritating at this point. I want a hard date. So, but we had, we had a good experience with him. We actually ended up playing out a scenario where we met him at a hotel bar. And I sat across the room. across the bar and he walked in and met my wife and sat and had drinks with her and i sat over

there and kind of with blue balls like what the fuck are they talking about i want to know and then i see her flash me a look and stand up and i'm like yep we're going upstairs to the room so we go upstairs to the room with them and at this point i think that first experience it just opened her up because like we get up to the room and it's a it's a nice room with a little couch in it and she basically he sits down she moves um over, straddles him, and just starts making out with them. And I'm like, at this point, I'm over there hard as a rock. This is so fucking hot. And so as it turns out, not only does my wife love seeing me with a man, I love watching her with another man. Right. So now you realize you're into the whole,

that's like a hot wafing kind of a thing. Yeah, yeah, it is. And that we get there down the road. As things, as we get more comfortable, we change our boundaries a little bit. And we end up kind of getting to that point. Yeah. And that's kind of where we are today, honestly. It's just, just now having got to that point. But so with Gary, we have a good time. We do a lot of stuff. He eats her pussy and makes her come good. He blows me.

I blow him. I fuck my wife a lot in front of him and just kind of have a really nice, really good time. And same thing. We walk away from that experience. Just on Cloud 9, we have great sex. We talk about it all the time. And yet it still wasn't completely fulfilling because he never got completely hard. And there was, but he, he kind of said, hey, I have a lot going on in my life.

That's what was going on. Don't, next time we're together, I'll be hooked. We tried to hook up one more time. It didn't happen. He bowed out at the last minute. We had already reserved the hotel room and blah, blah, blah. And we have pretty firm rules about if you burn us, if you say you're going to meet us, and then you don't have a good reason for screwing us over, for flaking us, and we're done with you.

Like we're not going to because we're the type of people that if we say we're going to do something, we do it. Yeah. End of discussion, right? So we find another guy and he turned out to be a regular for a little while. His name was Jacob. And he's a guy that's been married three times, been a swinger, has tons of experience in the lifestyle, is by. And we just had probably three or four times with him where it was just great. It was outstanding.

And we got comfortable enough with him that we let him start fucking my wife with no condom. We had, and, and it turns out that another man coming inside my wife is a real turn on to me. I ate every last drop of it out of her. We just had a great time with him. And it was the first, first time I kissed him and enjoyed that as well. And I just realized at this point that, you know what, I can have the same sexual passion for a man that I can't for a woman. I will never have the same sexual. passion for anybody like I do for my wife.

She turns me on. Nobody can. But like, I can kiss a man. I can do everything to a man that I can do to a woman and be fine with it. So at this point, I'm like, you know what? No doubt in my mind. I am completely bisexual and I'm okay with the right people in the world knowing about it. Yeah. And let me tell you, the difference between you and all those other guys that say they're straight and they like just like a dick, they don't feel that way.

They don't want anything to do with any other part of a guy's body. a lot of them accept the dick and they just want to blow it and they want to get the fuck out. Like seriously and they're not lying because they're calling into my show. They get, why would they lie to me? I'm not their wife. So it's just that's the, I think that that's the big difference between guys that aren't really bisexual and like to do it in guys who are, you know? And I think that's how you figure that out for yourself.

Yeah, for sure. And along this, this is like a life journey for me. Yeah. This is like fucking huge. I'm doing counseling. I'm starting to understand. who I am as a person. My, my therapist is this woman that I just absolutely love. I'm sure we'd be great friends if she wasn't my therapist. And I have told her everything. She knows every bit of this.

She's actually a certified sex therapist as well. So like nothing throws her. And she'll know that, she'll know that we have a date coming up this weekend. She's, I can't wait for you to tell me about it next week. And I'll tell her every detail. And so it's good. It's good to have a person besides my wife that I can tell about this. And so along the way also, we've come out to a few people. Really? Yep. We have some friends that are pretty liberal people, a husband and wife couple,

and our kids play, our boys play baseball together. We see them every weekend at baseball tournaments, and we're pretty good friends of them. And the wife asked my wife, one morning, hey, what did you guys do last night? My wife kind of froze up because she thought to herself, Do I tell her? They're very liberal people.

They're very open people. And so I was actually coaching the team at the time. And her husband was coaching with me. So I'm on the field. And my wife is texting me going, she just asked me this. And I kind of want to tell her. And I'm like, well, if you feel comfortable. So we go back and forth about this a little bit.

Yeah. Because at that point, she just said, oh, well, it's something like, I can't really tell you or whatever. And then, of course, that lady is super nosy, too. She's like, you can't tell me why. No. So they end up kind of standing off together by themselves. And my wife says, we were on a date with a guy. And that, of course, peaks her interest like, what?

Joe lets you, you know, fuck other guys. And she's like, well, not just me, but he does too. So all this kind of comes out. And then they decide. But in our deal with if we decide to tell someone is, hey, we're going to give you the high level information. We get together with other men and Joe is bisexual and then leave it at that. And then if you want to know more, you ask questions. Right.

So that's how we handle us. So they ended up going out, I think, during the week and walking our dogs together and spent like two hours like talking about this. And she asked a bunch of questions. And then my deal all along was, hey, I know they're open. I know they're liberal, but I have to work with the husband coaching this baseball team. And I'm like, I don't need him to judge me or to feel different about me. So we kind of go back and forth with the wife about whether it's okay for her to tell him or not. And we finally decide and my wife tells her if you're 100% sure that your husband is not going to judge my husband, then, yeah, you can tell him.

So interestingly, we have a baseball practice that night. And I'm walking across the field with this guy after the practice. And he says, so I heard something interesting, Tay. And I was like, oh, shit. I'm surprised he brought it up. I feel like most guys would just like let that remain a secret even if they know because it's a weird conversation to have. No, this dude is so bold.

Yeah. Okay, obviously. Yeah. And so, yeah, kind of figured you'd hear about that. And he basically says, for the record, I don't fucking care. That's cool. It doesn't faze me at all. And it's just been that way ever since then.

That was probably about a year ago in that time. We've gone on a vacation with them to Mexico. They are not swingers. They are not by. They are not. So everything completely platonic. But spending a week with them in Mexico is funny because I'd be walking down the beach with him headed back with drinks for the,

for our wives and he would see me check out of dude and he'd be like, you're pretty fucking greedy is what it is. I was like, what? He's like,

I only get to look at the women and you get turned on by fucking everybody. Yeah, you're living the life. I always tell, I always tell my straight friends, you're losing out, you're missing out,

like gay men and openly bisexual guys. They're really living the dream because they're like hooking up with guys. The guys are just like guys. They'll just fuck anybody in two seconds. You know what I mean? It's a very big difference. They're having the most sex.

No, there's no doubt about it. And that's the funny thing. It's trying a by man to be with both of us is difficult because my wife has a little bit higher standards than me. She wants to meet the person. She wants to know more about them, clearly. But if it's just a dude and I want to get laid, I'll just fuck a dude and not really. Exactly. And that's happened.

Like, we have opened up that boundary where she's, okay, I want you to have more. experiences. So figure out in what way you can hook up with guys. And we'll talk about the guy first, but then go go and do it. Have these experiences. Live out your self. So it turns out that I'm probably the luckiest man alive as far as a wife, because I've talked to a lot of men that are by that are like, no, my wife doesn't know, could never know. She would divorce me instantly. And I'm like, Oh, I struck it rich here. I am extremely lucky and I have had experiences. I've got an account on Grindr now where I'll meet, I meet guys every day on there.

And I'm like, everybody just wants to instantly send you a picture of a dick. And it's nice. I love to see dicks. But I'm like, okay, let's maybe figure out whether this is going somewhere or not. Well, walk me through your solo experiences. You said you started playing solo. You said you guys got into the hot wiping thing. Let's start with the playing solo.

Like I know like it came up, when was your first solo experience and what went down? So I met a guy through Grindr and he just wanted to hook up. And so I show my wife his pictures and then what we're chatting about. I'm like, this guy wants me to come over to his place right now. And what do you think?

I'm like, why the fuck not? So go do it. So I leave one afternoon. I go do stuff with him. this guy. It was okay. It was not great. You know, as you well know, people use their greatest pictures of all times. I don't know why. I think you should do the opposite, you know, and then people will be excited that like, wow, you look better than your pictures. How do they, how, like, to me, if I put like the best photo ever and then I was like actually going and

meeting someone in real life, I would be so stressed out. Oh my God, they're going to see the real me. You know what I mean? I don't understand people. We put a friend and that's what she said. She's on a, she's single, she's on dating website. And she's, I was putting my best pictures on there. And then a guy walked into a date with me and I could see the disappointment in his eyes. And she goes, I never want to see that fucking fuck again. Oh my God. That's what I mean. He does not use her best pictures anymore. Yes. You want to use your, so the ones that are kind of average, if not below average. Then you show up and you're going to be like the guy's going to be like the woman's going to be pleasantly surprised. But so many people don't

roll like that, by the way. You're right. Like most of them use their best pictures. Stupid. So the guy is not nearly as good looking as he came across and he's got some weird shit like in the middle of it. He fucking licks my armpit and I'm like, oh my God. Wait. Oh my God. I'm going to, I'm dying right now because listen, Joe, you have not heard my Samantha episode, okay?

Like seriously, I feel like you guys, you've got two couples are going to align because she said there's two things that guys asked for that they are not into and she doesn't understand it, but she gets it a lot. And one is feet and they're not into that at all. And one is armpits. And she's freaked out, not interested at all. And I was like, oh, I love armpit licking. Well, well, we had a whole conversation.

But it's so funny that you have experienced it too and didn't like it. You guys are like a match made and happen. I'm telling you. Yeah. And you know what? What's weird is I like my wife's armpits. I like the way she smells. I will not lick it.

I think that's fucking gross. No, it's not. It feels great for her. I'll try it. I'll pull her arms up over her head. I'll sniff her and come. Yeah. Like, it's almost like a chemical reaction. It's awesome.

So this guy licks my armpit and like he's getting into it. And I'll let some things go for a little while because I'm kind of a, you, I'm going to look through the door before I just shut it. So I'll let him lick my armpit a little bit. And then like, you fucking bit my armpit. I'm like, dude, what are you doing? I get to fuck out of my armpit. So that wasn't the best solo experience, but had met a few more guys over time, not a ton. I'm not out there fucking a different guy every day, anything like that, probably maybe five or six overall.

But that's a good amount. But that's the difference between men and women, right? You haven't been doing this for very long. But like you said, your wife's pickier than you. She wants to know somebody a little bit. But a guy will just like fuck someone right away. You're wired that way. Like you could have five or six guys in a shorter amount of time.

A woman for her to find five or six guys that she'd be down to fuck, it could take two years, three years. Oh, yeah, no doubt about it. It's definitely one of those things. So I'll kind of bring you up to speed on the hot wash side of it. And her finally going out on her own. Yeah. That's something we talked about for a while.

And one time, even I was out of town with the kids on a trip. And she was at home and we talked about, hey, why aren't we? kind of had this fantasy where why don't you go out to a bar see if you can pick up a guy see if you can take him home and that is not her thing she is an introvert but she's kind of into this when we're talking about it yeah she ended up going up that evening to have a drink doesn't talk to anybody hangs out by herself and i'm like you're a pussy but it's just her personality we realized in retrospect that that was not going to happen she wasn't going to randomly pick up on some dude yeah and go home with him so but we both kind of thought hey we want to

want this to happen. And part of me wanting it to happen was I knew I had some insecurities about it. But I didn't know exactly what they were and I needed to unpack it. So, okay, if we do this finally, if you can get with a guy, then we'll know what it is and we can work a way through it. So your insecurities, you mean? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So this doesn't end up happening until interestingly the same weekend. I started listening to your podcast. So I'm gone in Vegas for the weekend for a sporting event that I participate in. And my two youngest kids are with me because they participate in the same sporting event. So we're all out of town.

And she's like, I want to do something this weekend. So as we're leading up to this weekend, I'm trying to hook her up with a couple different guys we know, we've been with before. And then finally, I managed to make it happen because, again, she's pretty shy, pretty introverted. So I'm trying to help facilitate this. So I finally managed to make it happen with a guy we've been chatting. with but we haven't met with yet.

Like we've been chatting with him for a couple months. And it just, for whatever reason, scheduling, never worked out. And so I hit him up and I'm like, hey, do you have any interest in fucking my wife? Well, one guy's going to be like, no, gross. Yeah, yeah. So they set this deal up on this Sunday morning while I'm in Vegas, literally a Sunday morning because when he was available, when she was available, they go to a hotel, they meet. And they fuck for four and a half.

hours. So turns out that one of my insecurities is her safety. I was like, hey, when you get there and you meet him and you all get started, just checking on me like half an hour in. So I know you're okay. Well, I don't hear shit for an hour and a half and halfway across the country. So I'm kind of freaking out. Yeah. And so finally she texted me. Sorry, we were just into it and blah, blah, blah. And this is an hour and a half in. I'm like, all right, well, I'm realizing that, no, I don't want to be pissed because it's not, it's not something I should be angry about, but I'm definitely frustrated about that. Yeah. And so they do it for three more hours. Wow. Just like rabbits. And honestly, most of our experiences with men, we get together, the two of us with a man, we're in the hotel

together for four or five hours. So it's a long time. Yeah, it's a long time. It's a long experience. We enjoy it. We will, we'll have sex. And, And that's a great thing about multiple people. If I come and then I just want to lay down and rest for a minute in the bed, there's two other people that can be doing it. Yeah, exactly. Those are what our experiences are like. So it didn't surprise me if they were to go for like four hours. But also, I kind of had me freaking out.

So then it's over and we talked through it and everything. And then I'm driving, drove to Vegas. So driving home from Vegas, 17 hours. And on the drive home, I'm listening to more and more of your podcast. And one of them was the dude that his, the hot wife got pregnant. Oh my God. Yeah. And so I'm not worried about that.

She's, she's taking care of there. Nobody's going to get pregnant. But the thing that I picked up on from that was reclaiming sex. Yeah. I'm like, okay, that's something that we need to make part of our life if this is going to happen. So we talk about that when we get back. And she doesn't like the term reclaiming. Okay.

Like we take more of a partnership approach to our marriage. We're equals. But I'm like, it doesn't matter what the fucking term is. What it means is we're coming back together and talking about it and enjoying what happened. So we've reneged connection sex. I like that. So like literally I drove all night home from Vegas because I couldn't wait. I was fired up about this.

We had had a little bit of tension between us about my insecurities. We had talked through it, but we had talked also about what they did, and I'm just turned on, and I just can't wait to get home and fuck her. So literally, 7.30 in the morning, I'm home from Vegas, and we just come back to the bedroom and fuck for an hour and talk, the situation and everything. So it was really good from that standpoint. And we've decided that it's not something she wants to do all the time, but it's something she's definitely open to doing again, going out with a guy on her own and then coming back. And so we also decided, hey, if this is important on your end, it's important on my end. So if I'm going to go be with a guy, then we're going to get together and we're going to have reconnection sex and we're going to talk to it. Because she loves hearing about every detail when I'm with a guy.

Let me ask you a question because you did say, you know, we wanted to try it out because there was a part of me that had some reservations and I didn't know what they were. like did you find out what your reservations were, what you felt insecure about? Was it more clarity after that first experience? Absolutely. One of them was definitely her safety. Like, just making sure she's okay. Listen, I'm married to a strong woman. She can take care of herself.

And when I say strong, I don't mean she's a big girl or anything like that. I just mean she's a strong woman. Yeah, I got it. But it's still part of my duty to make sure that I keep my people sick. And I guess the other thing is we hesitate to call it jealousy. I would call it more phomo, fear of missing out. She's doing something that, God, I want to be there to watch.

I want to see it. And I'm not there to see it. Fucking crazy. So there's a little bit of that. And then I think it's pretty natural for a man. She learned that, like, okay, I need to be careful with the words I use. Because the first thing she told me after she had been with this guy was his dick felt amazing. And I kind of got, like, oh, hmm, his dick felt amazing. So does my dick feel amazing?

And we've talked it through. We thankfully, that's the deal. Like communicate, over communicate, talk a lot. And so we've talked it there. And she felt amazing because it was new. She's like, I know your dick. She's like, I love your dick. It's the most comfortable dick in the world to me, because I've been with it millions of times. But his was new. It was different. That's why I felt amazing. I'm like, okay, I get that. We're cool. It's funny. It's a completely different deal if we're together with the guy. But we have a regular guy that we see, and we probably only see him about once every four or five weeks, he's super busy, but we just love him. Everything about him is great. The way he kisses great, his body is, his skin is soft, his dick is great. He's a black guy,

and we don't have, we don't care. We don't care, white, black. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But just, he's wonderful to be with. And we've seen him probably five, six, seven times now. I don't even know how many times. And he's got a big dick. It's not super thick, but it's long. And he makes her come so. I love seeing her sitting on another man's dick.

Like riding the guy, like I will sit there behind them. If I can pull his dick out of her and put it in my mouth and taste it, I'll do that. It's just fucking awesome. So he makes her come so much. And I'm not jealous of his dick one bit. because he also fucks me and I love his dick too. There you go. So you do have the compersion thing. It's just maybe when there's solo play, that's where you just can't get into it as much.

And maybe it's because you so love that dick too that you want to be there. It's probably tied into the FOMO thing as well. Like I said, I think it's just jealousy that I want to be there. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense for sure. Yeah. So if we're with someone together and she says he's amazing, I'm not fucking, yeah, yes. God damn, that feels good. Yeah, yeah. A lot of these guys that have that kink, like I said, they're not into guys.

So there's no fomo, right? Like, they don't want that dick, but they like that their wife at it. So it makes sense in your situation because you are very into dick and you're very open about it and that you would feel that way that you didn't get to experience it because you're into that. Absolutely. So there's also kind of a funny story that's like right now going on at not as we speak, but it's part of our life at the moment. So a couple of months ago, I'm at a gas station filling up my truck, and I see clearly a cross-dresser, tall, nice legs, dressed completely like a slut, pumping gas over near me. And I'm like, this person doesn't go out and do this and dress like this because they don't want attention. So I'm just going to go say, hey, I'm not some dirty creeper weirdos going to go over and creep on them. I'll just, I'll say hi to anybody. I'll compliment somebody if I see something on life, just because I think it's a nice thing to do.

So I walk up and I say, hey, just wanted to let you know that I think you look really nice. And she says, I don't even know what she says, but we strike up a conversation. And pretty soon she kind of tells me what she does. She's, I dress like this. I go to adult theaters. I fuck guys. And that's who I am. It's like, my alter ego is straight.

Like, okay, that's interesting. So I actually take a picture of her. I go home and I talk to my wife about her later. I'm like, I met this woman today. This cross dresser today. I was like, I was really turned on. Blah, blah, blah. Show her the picture.

She's really? She wanted to do that? And I'm like, I do. She really want to go to an adult theater? I'm like, not really my thing. I don't know. It's never been my thing to go to a place and just randomly fuck multiple guys. I don't know.

Just not for me, I guess. Yes. But this is where she. She wants to meet me. So my wife says, yeah, do it. Why not? So I do it. Have a great time and enjoy the hell out of it. But what exactly goes down? You've got to walk me through that scenario. Does your wife come with you? No, she did not come with you. Okay. She has no desire to be anywhere near an adult theater. Yeah, I got it. So, so yeah, I go and I meet this person and turns out that she doesn't like kissing them. That's cool. That's fine, whatever. But there's a lot of touching.

She is very gentle, like very delicate with her fingers, touches all over, runs her fingers over you, and it's very slow. Does not just jump into it. She doesn't just bend over and be like, pound my ass. She's taking her time, touching all over, sucks my dick, and really just does things to the head of my dick with her tongue and her mouth. It's like, whoa, that was a sensitive feeling. Wow, just kind of a totally different feel than any other man I've been with for sure. And so, but it ramps up. So we go from, she's, she's just touching me gently and, and whatnot and kind of gently

sucking my dick to deep-throating my dick and to, I've got her bent over the couch and the adult theater and I'm just chucking the shit out of her. And it was a really fun experience. So I, she's, I, we're always about safe sex. She, she was definitely about safe sex. She was, I wasn't getting in her ass without a condom on. So how do. a condom on. Fucker, I come. It's a good experience. And she's always does this thing where

after I come, she's like, just stay, stay right there. She wants to feel like every throb of my dick before I'm done and before I pull it out. And I'm like, all right, I'm not dominant kind of, I'm going to do everything my way. If someone asks for something and it's not offensive to me, then I'll do it. So I'll leave it in there. And then she, I pull my dick out. She pulls the condom off and turns it upside down and just drains it all into her mouth. And I was like, that one's surprise me. I was like, wow, never seen someone do that before. Oh, my God, that's so funny. It doesn't surprise me. I've heard it all, but that's so interesting. Do you go, have you gone back there a bunch of times to see her? Yes. So I've seen her multiple times now. But this story gets better.

Okay, good. This is the tip of the iceberg. Oh, okay, good. Of course, I tell my wife about Elvis, and she's intrigued by the detail, but then she started to ask me questions, just curiosity questions. Well, who, you know, who is she went? she's, you know, she's not her, her cross-dresser. I don't know. You know, it's always like this. She'll ask me questions like, I don't know. I didn't ask.

I was fucking very curious. And this whole time, I'm telling the cross-dresser that I'm married. I have her blessing. This is all good. And little do I know until later. She doesn't believe a word of it. She doesn't believe. She believes I'm married, but she doesn't believe that my wife knows about her nothing.

But I don't know this. I'm just an honest person. I assume everybody believes what I'm fucking saying. Yeah, we're always projected. but because you're honest, you think other people think you're honest. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So three or four times, we get together.

We do the same thing and we're enjoying it. And it's kind of ramping up a little bit. And all this time, my wife is asking me questions. And I'm going back and telling the crossdresser, my wife is curious about you. She wants to know things. And he's like, give him my email address because that's how we're communicating, that email. And it does turn out.

I've learned enough to know that the crossdress. was married, that the wife knows nothing of this, and that's why the email address and the separate phone that only works on Wi-Fi that she checks it. And then all this shit, it's pretty, there's a pretty complicated system to make sure the wife doesn't ever learn about this. I give my wife the email address. She, she emails her, and just starts, well, introduces herself and starts asking questions. Again, come to find out later, she doesn't even believe that this is my wife email here. Of course.

She's like, yeah. And, and but finally, after a while, and I'm still seeing her every week or two at this point, finally after a while, my wife says, I'd like to meet you. So decides to meet the cross-dresser personality for coffee at a Starbucks. Okay. Is she got to be dressed or not dressed? Dressed. Okay.

But dressed the way she dresses. So probably a little more conservative than how she's. she comes to the adult theater because it's like she's barely wearing any she doesn't need to do any more than take off her panties in the adult theater for me to pretty much have access to everything yeah of course yeah so but so yeah going out to starbucks i'm sure dressed a little bit more conservatively but no doubt that she's a slutty cross-dresser still which in it in and of itself makes my wife nervous that like i can't believe i'm going to meet with this fucking person in public but they meet and so and they hit it off because honestly the cross-stressor is a really

a nice person. Like, nice to talk to, easy to talk to. So they meet and they hit it off. And the cross dresser's really intrigued by my wife and wants to meet her and like starts just divulging all these details that I know nothing about. All of a sudden, my wife knows the straight male name. And knows where he works, what he does for a living and all this shit. I'm like, how did you find all this out? Yeah. And it turns out that because the crossdresser has an affiliate. for my wife at this point. I was kind of excited by her, likes her a lot, is willing to pretty much tell her damn near anything.

So like a week or two later, she meets with him, the male version. And they have coffee together again. And I'm like, this is interesting. And it turns out that this cross-dresser is older than us, but I didn't know how much older. And I didn't care. I didn't ask.

I was having fun with the cross-dresser version. But age isn't a big thing. just younger gets if I'll have that. I'll have that binder hit on me. They're like 19. I'm like, age of my son. No.

But older, okay, if we like the person, we like the person. So she has coffee with them. Actually gives them a little kiss at the end of the coffee date, which just drives them, literally tiny kiss,

but drives them bananas. And there's all these emails back and forth between them and between both of us and and him, her, I don't even know how to refer to her at this point. So then, we have the next week a coffee date between the three of us. And she was scared to death.

And again, this was the straight male version that I was meeting for the first time. She was scared to death that that would change the way I looked at the cross-dressing version. And I get it. Of course. But that's not who I am. I'm like, I like the person. I don't fucking care. And immediately when I met him, I could see the cross-dressers features in his eyes and his mouth and his hands.

I was like, okay, this doesn't throw me off at all because this is the same person. Yeah. To me, he plays it up like they're different people. To me, this is the same person. And so we have pretty frank conversation at coffee and everything. And I'm like, listen, here's the deal. I'm like, I think you're bisexual and you just haven't kind of worked that out yet. I said, that's just my personal opinion.

I said, I know that this side of you does men and whatnot. But he's, you know, very stuck in the fact that, no, I don't do men. As a man, I don't do man. Like, okay, that's fine. So this relationship has progressed over a couple of weeks now, and we're kind of at present day now. We have a date set up with this guy for two weeks from now on a Saturday night where, and it's going to be the cross dresser and my wife and I in a hotel. So, and they actually had a fourth date, I guess, together where they went out to a park and sat at a park bench for an hour and a half and made out and touched each other. nothing below the clothes, but, you know, and really got her cranked up.

And we had, after that day, we had really good reconnection sets. Like, I was fired up to know about the way he touched her and the way he kissed her and how it turned her on and how wet she was. So it was good. That's interesting. This is like a super unique situation where I'm seeing her. She's kind of seeing his male alter ego and then we're going to see potentially them both together. Yeah.

And I think your wife has a little bit of a curiosity for women. Maybe that also satisfies that a little bit, don't you think? For sure. And then she's also curious about what she hasn't seen. So she's like, I can't wait to watch you and the cross dresser. Fuck. Like, I can't wait to watch what you all do together. Yeah.

I want to watch you all do your thing. And I'm like, that's cool. Yeah, absolutely. When is that planned for? March 2nd. Oh, okay. You're about to have this super interesting hookup. now does your wife know you're calling in?

Oh yeah, absolutely. She was in the room for about half of it because she was just kind of getting ready for her day. Oh, awesome. Okay, so if you want to send in anonymous picks, like people send me in picks all the time for Patreon. If you want to, you could do that. Nothing X-rated.

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Yeah. Yeah. Listen, Joe, I love your story. I think what a great, uh, it's like story it is for other people to hear. Maybe other guys who are keeping their shit under wraps. You are super lucky that you were not only able to share it with your wife, but that the fact that she was, you know. Like I said, not only accepting of it, but really into it.

Just like this Samantha woman, that's not common. So I know that you realize how lucky you are. I know when we started this journey. When my wife asked me, what else are you curious about that it would end up where we are now? Can you fucking believe? Yeah, or even go take it one step before when you were at that church being brainwashed. Would you ever think you'd be here? Do you know what I mean?

I mean, living your best life and I think that's... Being gay is bad and having sex. bad and pretty much everything is fucking bad. Oh my God. You would be going, you are going to hell, okay, considering all the shit that you and your wife have been doing straight to hell. We laugh often about what would this person think if they knew, you know what I mean? Oh my God. Oh my God. And yeah, that's the other part of your story that's super interesting that you have been kind of open with some people and they were cool and it just goes to show that at the end of the day, you never know. I think there's always, it's a flip of a coin. Are people going to accept it or are they not? Are

people are going to be into it? Well, I think you know. You never know. You know who, right. Like, my wife's best friend knows. She's told her, like, they, they see each other, like, once a month or when they see each other sit down for six hours and talk. And so, like, she's told her fucking everything.

Right. That's cool. And she's cool with it. And my wife's sister knows. And she's cool with it. And now my sister knows. So it really is, like, we would just as soon come out to as many people as we can. Yeah, that's amazing.

Because at this point, this is me. This is who I am. Yeah, I love that. that means or fuck off as far as I can say. Yeah yeah I love that I think that it's so amazing that here you are in your 40s now living your best life and you have everything out on the table how freeing is that because you have a lot of years left when what a better way to live them than to be keeping that those fantasies under wraps now you're living out your dream but thanks so much for sharing your story it's super interesting it was great okay I just want to tell you before you go that my book it's called strictly anonymous confession secret sex lies of to Strangers is now available not only in paperback and e-book, but you can pre-order the audiobook. It's still not going to be out until August 25th, but you can pre-order it. The book is basically 17 different stories taken from my show. I kind of picked one story from each category that I talk about on my show.

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