Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 951 - Brenna and Brian on Hotwifing, Swinging, Becoming Poly and More

Episode Date: October 28, 2024

Brenna and Brian, hosts of the Front Porch Swingers podcast called in to discuss hotwifing, swinging, Becoming poly and more. Tune in to hear all the details including how and why Brenna decided to become poly and how and why it’s a lot harder than hotwifing, why Brian isn’t interested in being poly but loves that Brenna is, how Brenna recently got sober and how that had changed her, how and why Brian gave up his solo play partners recently, why he now prefers her hotwifing and has zero need for anything else, how Brian and Brenna met, how and when they decided to have an open relationship ship, when Brenna realized she was non-monogamous at heart, how Brian brought up hotwifing to Brenna, how Brenna helped Brian realize he was into guys, how Brian initially got onto lifestyle, the swinger vibe in Vegas, their first local Vegas swinger party they attended and what went down plus a whole lot more. You can find their podcast and all their other stuff here: https://www.frontporchswingers.com **To see pics of BRENNA AND BRIAN + anonymous pics of most of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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37712 or go to the description and click on the link and you'll be taken right there. Okay, today I have a super interesting conversation with Brenna and Brian from Front Porch Swingers. really interesting open, hardcore couple. They're very involved in the lifestyle. They don't just live it. They work it. They're podcasters. They throw events. They're just like, this is like their full-time gig. And they're also, you know, full-time swingers.

They do hotwifing. And they recently started to try being Polly. At least Brenna has. And we talk all about it. We talk bigger picture. We talk about a lot of their own personal journey in the lifestyle. I got their whole backstory once before because they were on my show before. But in this episode, we talk about their transition into being Polly.

We start there. Then we talk a lot about hot wiping and we talk about, you know, how they met and what they do and how they play solo and so many different things. They're really an interesting couple. They're great educators. I think you can learn a lot by listening to them. That's why they're podcasters. They talk a lot on their show and they teach people all the time over there. They are experts in the field.

And they have an interesting story. You get a lot of stories from them, you know, about. stuff that they've done recently as well as bigger picture stuff. All the links to all their stuff is going to be in the description. If you want to go check out their podcast or go to any other events or all their stuff, their website link will be in the description. But anyway, I'm going to be right back on with Brenna and Brian. Hi, Brian and Brenna from Porch Swingers.

Welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast. How are you guys? Great. How are you? We're doing great, Kathy. Thanks for having us. Thanks for coming back on. I've had you guys on before.

I got your whole backstory a while back. You guys are fellow podcasters. You're the front porch swingers. You don't just talk about swinging and hot wiping. You are swingers and you are, Brenna, you're a hot wife. You guys also play solo. I mean, you guys are pretty hardcore. Like I said, I do have your backstory on the first episode when you guys came on.

So we're going to talk like bigger picture here. I mean, because like I said, you have your own podcast. What you do over there is really talk about the lifestyle in general, right? Why don't you just give a shout out to you. to your podcast and all the stuff that you have and what you do there. I'll put links in the description and then we'll just like start I'll start asking you guys questions. Yeah, absolutely. So the show really is just about our non-monogamous adventures and our thoughts on all things non-monogamy. We've kind of experienced it all. We've done the couple swapping. We've done the hot wifing. Right now I

would say we're more in an open relationship dynamic where we're both enjoying solo play and coming back together and reconnecting. And we've also gone down the road of polyamory. So we tend to dabble in a lot of different areas of it. And we talk about all of it on the show. Yeah, I love that because like I have a million questions with all those things. Listen, it's not a lot of times you hear of a couple and they're just doing one of those things, right? Or maybe two of those things. Like you guys have tried it all. So you really are the experts to be able to talk to people about all this stuff, right? Because it's not like you don't know what it's like to also be poly. Because that's a totally different thing, right, then playing, even then playing solo.

When you start to allow emotions to get involved, that's all new territory. When did that start for you guys? Like, was that happening when I last spoke with you? Is that a new thing? I don't think it was happening when we last spoke to you. I have, Brian kind of went down that road for a little bit, and that might have been right around the time that we first chatted with you. Okay.

Since then, I have dated briefly a couple of men and, you know, just been interested more so in a secondary. relationship as well. So it hasn't been a huge focus of our lives, but you're absolutely right. It is a very different world. It is, in fact, I would say my skills in the world of swinging and hot wiping do not translate to polyamory at all. So that's been a huge learning lesson for me. They are not at all the same thing. Oh my God. Well, why don't you go off on that? Because I think that that's so interesting. Let's start there for the people that are thinking maybe to cross the line and start to become, you know, more poly. I find that the younger generation,

have less boundaries and do tend to go there into the poly world as well as, you know, being non-monogamous. But, you know, for you guys, like, what, what are those experiences that you're saying, Brenner, that are so different than what you have experienced in the past? Well, I think it's interesting because I've always thought to myself that I get a little bit more, I don't know, connected, invested in the people that I'm playing with than I would say your average lifestyler, right? And for the most part, as a swinger or as a hot wife, you compartmentalize and there is a certain value that you're coveting in not getting too attached to other people, right? Because it's about the sex and then it's about bringing back that energy and that excitement to your partner.

So you really compartmentalize your feelings in that world. And I thought that it would be really simple to move into polyamory because I do get a little bit more invested in people. I tend to like, for example, having the same play partners for months at a time or even years at a time and really developing friendships with the people that I just happen to be sleeping with. And I was for a rude awakening, getting into polyamory. It is so time-consuming. There is so much emotional maturity, emotional intelligence that needs to go into polyamory that you don't really get in the world of swinging and hot-wifing.

So it's just been this huge learning curve for me. I've really had to open up to people in different ways. I've also had to look at my own, you know, my own downfalls, my own pitfalls in ways that I never had to in the world of the lifestyle. So it's just one of those things where I'm constantly working on new skills in order to be a polyamorous person that were not needed prior to this. Yeah, well, because listen, you've been with Brian. How long have you been together as a couple? Seven years. When typically people are in a relationship, you got someone locked down, you're not dealing with any of that beginning stuff and those issues you could have with somebody in the beginning, right?

Is that a part of it? Because all of a sudden now you're starting new relationships with other people. Well, yeah, absolutely. I mean, I'm very comfortable being vulnerable with Brian, right? Yeah, of course. My person, he's, I consider him my soulmate. So it's really easy for me to be open and honest and vulnerable and just tell him everything that I'm thinking and feeling. and not be worried about looking like a total fool.

And then with new people, it's that constant concern of looking like a fool or saying something stupid or being awkward or them not accepting me for one reason or another, especially considering the fact that I'm also lifestyle. I think the other thing that people don't always realize is while there is crossover between the lifestyle and polyamory, there are also people on both sides that don't really accept the other side, right? So there's some judgment there. there is some some lack of understanding on both sides. And when you try to have a foot in both worlds, you really see all of that. Yeah, it is. It's definitely like if it's a Venn diagram,

it's not, you know, the circles are not totally on top of each other. But like, let me ask you this because if it does, okay, so you say like here you are a woman that's got this guy locked down. You met your soulmate. You have it in the bag, right? The thing that everyone's sort of looking for. Why would you, you know, start new relationships? Like, why do you, like, why did you, like, why did you,

want to become Polly. Like was it something that just naturally happened? Was it a choice where you like, oh, maybe the sex will be better? Like, why would you even do that to yourself if it is kind of harder? I think there are two sides to that. One is I truly believe at my core, I am a non-monogamous person. And I think at my core, I have the capacity to be in a relationship with more than one person.

So I don't think everyone fits into that category. So that's part of it. I think I have a natural inclination. to it. But the other side of it is I'm also very logical. I understand, as is Brian, that, you know, we're not going to meet all of the other person's needs. I think when you place that level of pressure on a person, whether it's sexual or romantic in nature, you really are, you're putting an insane amount of pressure on the relationship and setting an expectation for said relationship that can very, it's very rare that people can live up to that, right? I think in our specific situation, it's even more obvious because we're 20 years of part we have a 20 year age gap. I'm 34. Brian is 54. And there are certain elements of who we are as people that are not

always congruent with each other in large part because of that age difference. For example, I'm still at an age where I want to go out. I want to go line dancing. I want to go see some karaoke. I'm right there with you, Brian is not really at that point in his life. I'm right there. I'm more Brian's age, so I understand

he's not interested. No, I don't think in the fucking shower. Right. So I think we're both just understanding that like we can go out and experience those things with other people and it doesn't detract from what we have. No, and it's obviously maybe adding to it, right? Because they're then, because what happens in a relationship if there isn't sort of the option to go out and find those things somewhere else there could be, you know, eventually resentment builds up and everything and there's a divide. And then sometimes, you know, a very large age gap could be a problem when a couple is faced with those things where it starts to be. become more obvious for certain reasons. I did talk to a couple I remember and they were a couple like you guys were they were very lifestyle and they were very open and they were just you know and eventually they did become Polly. Her husband was the first one that started a relationship with someone and at first it was very difficult for the both of them. She spoke to that and they actually sought counseling and

everything but when she got to the other side she said exactly what you did and that you know she got to the point where she just realized like you just connect like thinking that some other partner one person is ever going to fill up every single box for you. It's like so kind of unrealistic. And what they learned is that they could go get certain needs met by other people that they're not that are not being met at home. And it doesn't ruin the relationship. And it's not a threat to the relationship.

But I think that's the scariest thing for people. And that's why they, you know, are afraid to do it. Because imagine you go out, you have these feelings for somebody else. Like what happens to that primary relationship, you know? Well, yeah. And it's interesting that we don't. do that with relationships, but we do it with other, with romantic relationships, but we do with other types of relationships in our lives. For example, most people don't have one friend. You have multiple

friends. Sometimes you have multiple friends groups because you do different things with them. They meet different needs for you. You're able to talk to them about different things. Yeah. So I think of that in very similar circumstances, excuse me, to romantic relationships. Yeah. It's, you know, first of all, in the world of ethical non-monogamy, because all of these things, swinging, hotwifing, polyamory, they all fall under the ethically non-monogamous umbrella, right? The difference for me, well, first of all, unlike Brenna, I no longer at this point in my life have the capacity to entertain more than the relationship I have. I simply don't have the bandwidth. Oh, this is more interesting. So Brenna is Polly, but you're not interested in it, but you guys are

okay with each one feeling different about it. I love that. Well, not only am I okay with it, I encourage it. I am, again, as Brenna mentioned, I'm 54. I'm going to age out of this shit at some point. And when I do, I certainly don't want to hamstring my partner into not being able to do the things that she wants to do. Yeah. And when I decide I'm done, it's literally going to be a, I'm done. Like I'll know when that time is.

And I'm probably within five years of that. You think? Come on. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. Based on where I am mentally, you know, my mindset right now, I think I've got about five. more years of actual interaction, you know, activity in the lifestyle for me. Oh, okay. Right. Right. Not sex in general. Just being as hardcore as you are and as active in the lifestyle. Okay, I get that.

Yeah. I got about five more good years of that. And then then I'm done. So for me, I encourage it because, you know, listen, I'm going to be gone 20 years before Brenna. I don't want her to not have companionship. So her dating someone, you know, within five years either way of her age range, even 10 years, maybe older, not in any more than that, eight to ten years, would make a lot of sense because there'll be someone, you know, closer to her age that she still has a relationship with and, you know, she won't be alone when I'm gone. Yeah, wow. Because inevitably, I'm going to be gone first.

So there's something to be said for that. Also, I will say, and I give a lot of credit to those who are successful in the world of polyamory. Yeah. When it comes to ethical non-monogamy, polyamory is the thinking man's game. Yes. you don't have to be a fucking Mensa candidate to be in the lifestyle and that is proven on a daily basis however if you're going to be polyamorous you have to have your shit together i mean i often tell people

before you get into the lifestyle you really have to have a black belt in monogamy before you get into ethical no i like that right yeah well when it comes to the world of ethical not monogamy uh you you better you had really better have your skills together in that world before you step into polyamory because it's really everything that ethically non-monogamous people deal with, but on a much larger scale. Yeah. Right. And there are not a lot of people who are built for it.

It's a lot. It genuinely is a lot. And, you know, I encourage Brenna, obviously, to do that and to be involved in polyamory. And I've been, you know, on that journey with her. And just seeing, again, an outsider, because I'm still an outsider, I'm not part of that relationship, seeing like the pitfalls that are coming and being able to see it from the outside and recognizing, oh, this isn't going to work. There's going to be a problem here.

And just keeping that to myself because it's something she needs to figure out on her own, very, very difficult to do, especially when it's, you know, your partner and you don't want to see them get hurt and make a mistake. But, you know, it's complicated. It gets real murky, real fast. Yeah, I could imagine because, like, one of my questions was going to be, like, so are you the one, like, are you, like, her buddy at home giving her advice on, like, the guy that she's currently, you know.

Only if she asks. You know, and then, but yeah. Only if she asks. We, you know, it's that old thing we hear from lifestylers all the time. Oh, you know, I have permission to play alone or I've been given permission to do this. Brent is a fucking adult. I don't give her permission to do anything. I give her support and encouragement.

And if I think there's something to be concerned about, I obviously will voice my opinion, but the ultimate decision is up to her. You know, so she'll ask me like, or she'll say something like, okay, here's what happen. Tell me what you think about this. Yeah. And I'm like, okay, you know, and I'll give her my advice. And in true typical fashion for Brenna, she will a lot of times not take my advice and she'll go and kind of do it anyway. And, you know, a lot of times we'll come back and go, okay, that didn't work. So, you know, let's kind of reevaluate, you know. But Brenna, for you, like, you know, as someone who always

played solo, you're in the lifestyle, you're used to banging other people besides your partner, or coming back, reconnecting with him. Now that there are feelings involved with these guys that you're with, is there a difference in the sex that you're having? Is it like apples and oranges? Or is it like, oh, my God, it just takes it up to a level that you couldn't imagine? Is it better sex? Is it just different?

With the other people? With the new people. Yeah, now that you're like more poly and you're developing, you know, emotional connections with these people as opposed to just physical ones. Yeah. I mean, I think the sex is diff. It is apples and oranges. Lifestyle sex versus romantic sex,

because they are two very different things. In fact, Brian and I, between the two of us, just had this conversation the other day. Obviously, when there are feelings involved, and when you care for somebody on a deep level, for me anyway, sex is a showing of connection, right? It's my way of showing you.

I care about you. I care about your pleasure. I want to show you, you know, my feelings for you. you through physical touch, those are things that I don't even think about when I'm having, quote unquote, lifestyle sex, right? It's about the orgasm and it's about the fun and the experience. And it's also about the story that I'm going to bring back to Brian. So for me, those two things are, you almost can't compare them.

Yeah, they're mutually exclusive. Yeah, they're mutually exclusive. They're not synonymous with one another at all. The mechanics are the same, but everything else is so different. Yeah, no, of course. just talked about this. We just recorded a bonus episode before we jumped on with you. And, you know, we're talking about a particular experience or Brennan was talking about an experience that she had. And, you know, the mechanics of sex, right? I mean, we're all biologically wired. We know how to do it. Animals, insects know how to have sex. It's not a complicated concept. It's the before and after that really are, again, the type of thing

that you have to give some real thought to and you have to be intelligent about that. The act of sex is a simple thing. Well, and the nuances and all of, you know, the connection. and the energies, all of those things differ so greatly depending on a myriad of different factors. You know, what Brian is referring to is I had a lifestyle experience recently wherein I had very, very little time to actually get to know this person to connect with them on any real cerebral level. So the sex was, it was fine. He was a beautiful man. I felt very unfortunate to be in his presence and that he decided he wanted to spend

sexual time with me. But the mental connection just wasn't there. I would have described the sex as just okay. Yeah. You know, I think that's, that's another thing for me is as I get older, it's not just about, oh, you're beautiful and we're being flirtation, so we should go get naked together, you know? That's not enough anymore. Yeah, no, and I typically hear that a lot from women, even women who are hot wives and have,

you know, they're just like screwing bulls and they have their solo guys. A lot of times they have, you know, they're good old faithfuls because the more you have sex with anyone, you know, over time, it gets better, right? don't you think anyway, than just like one-offish-trane. Yeah. You know? Yeah, if you're better, if you've been friends for, you know, 20 years, you've got a very different relationship than you did in year one, you know.

I just think that makes, to me, that's just common sense. And I understand in the lifestyle, and again, we were just talking about this yesterday at nauseam, about varying types of play within the space because there's a lot of it. And there are plenty of couples who are, you know, they're weekend warriors, man. They get their opportunity to get out or for that one year that they get a vacation and they're going to go to, you know, to desire or Hito or something and get their freak on. And then they go back to the Midwest wherever they live and it's, you know, Susie Homemaker and they're done with all that bullshit. So I get it. You want to get as much in as you possibly can.

We see it all the time. That is absolutely one way to approach the lifestyle. And it's perfectly fine. If that's your thing and everybody's consenting, do it. Yeah. But for us, that just simply does not work. It has not worked for me for many. years. I live that life, most of my life, being in the adult entertainment industry. So that's, again, sex is

easy. When I say that, it's not, and I get it. I sound like an asshole. I say this all the time. I pass up on more sex than most men will ever be offered. And that's because I've had an inordinate amount of it. Of course. And I've had a lot of indiscriminate, non-important, uh, important, uh, sex that I can barely remember most of. And so I'm, I'm done. That part of my life is over. So I don't need that anymore. The mechanical portion of sex is really quite easy. Acquiring it is even easier. If you really want it, you can find it. Um, so for me, I want, you know, it's got to mean something, especially for me and Brenna, you know, if I'm going to spend time away from her, she's going to spend time away for me. The time spent apart really has to have a value and that value comes when we get back

together. And if that isn't the case, the rest of this is really academic. Right. So even though you're not Polly and you're not having, you know, you're not really falling for the women you play solo with you feel like you do have a connection with them. Is that what you're saying? Because you guys both play solo, correct? Yes. If I can't sit down with you and have a cup of coffee and have a conversation and enjoy your company with clothes on, we're never getting naked. Right. It's just pointless. Right. You know, I don't need that anymore. I can, I can do that in the shower by myself. Don't need the help. Right. Well, you've been there, I've done that, right? I mean, there was a point in your life. I'm sure you were that way, right? You're the lucky guy. I mean, you know,

because, like you said, you have that. And it's a lot. And, and you have that. And luxury of not really caring because you've kind of had that, I'm sure you went through that phase ad nauseum, especially because you've been in the life. For about 30 years. Yeah. That's amazing. Yeah. I mean, it really was, it was a situation where most of the times, I mean, I couldn't tell you

the names of a third of the women that I've been within my life, maybe less. I have no idea. I mean, you're in the thousands. I just don't know. And so I don't care. You know, I don't care about that. I'm not trying to do that. That's, to me, again, that's like training wheels.

You know, it's like, that's easy. You know, we can, I can do that all day long. I want to have a genuine connection and genuinely enjoy someone's company. Otherwise, it's just kind of a waste of my time. And I feel like I'm wasting, I'm losing time with my partner who I prefer to be with over anybody else. I mean, us just being together is more important to me than having sex with an indiscriminate stranger. Right. But you guys, and also just having sex with other people is also a part of like you're

you guys reconnecting and you're bringing those stories back. So it's adding to your relationship too. It's not like something separate. Yeah, it's got to be a value add. Right. Yeah, got to be a value right. So like how many girls do you have on the side like currently and you, Brenna, like do you have your like a couple good old faithfuls on both sides? And then Brett, I want to know how, you know, if you're how many poly relationships you maybe have had or currently have. I don't know.

Well, we're in a really interesting period right now. It's interesting that you're asking that question right now because I feel like we're in a little bit of a transition. We both have stepped away from our long term. play partners for the most part. Okay. I think for a lot of, so first of all, one big thing for me, I got sober two months ago. Oh, that changes you. Yeah, I've had an issue with alcohol for a while now and being able to step away from

that and be very clear-headed has really resulted in me shifting my priorities, including my play partners. And I think kind of by proxy, Brian has fallen into kind of that same category where we're just kind of changing our focuses and really changing. our priorities. So we haven't been nearly as active lately in the lifestyle. I'm not currently dating anyone either. I was in a relationship for about two months, about two months ago. And that ended. And I'm very open to it again, but I'm also not searching for it. I think we're both in a period right now. And I don't want to speak for Brian so he can he can speak for

himself. But for me personally, I really want to, I do want to find long term play partners again because I'm more geared towards that than the random encounters. Yeah. But I want it to mean something and I want it to be someone that really speaks to me in a way that I see some longevity in. We're also working. I mean, we work at H-Sit. Oh, everyone's busy. I get it. But we're working like 15-hour days right now. Yeah. So I, if I'm going to step away from that, if I'm going to stop, you know, chasing my passions and my drive with Brian on what we're doing professionally, I wanted to be with someone that really gets my motor running, that what I think about, I'm just like itching with anticipation.

So I'm going to be patient right now and kind of find the right new stable of guys, if you will. Yeah. And for me, Kathy had two long-term play partners, well over two and a half years. And that's, yeah, that's recently come to an end. Some feelings got involved and got a little, got a little uncomfortable. So put an end to that. So for me, I'm incredibly comfortable with long-term play partners.

that's kind of where I'm the most comfortable, but I got too comfortable. It stopped really being exciting for Brenna and I. So, you know, I just took a step back from that. I have no regular play partners in my world at this point. It stopped really being exciting for Brenna and I. So, you know, I just took a step back from that. I have no regular play partners in my world at this point. What Brenna and I are really concentrating on for me personally,

I'm concentrating on her play because I enjoy that the most. And should someone come along that Brenna finds interesting, finds exciting at the prospect of my being with, she's going to kind of put that in motion and I will follow suit. If there's somebody that's of interest who shows their interest in me, they typically reach out to Brenna anyway. And she'll kind of make that happen. But if she's not interested in my playing with this person or doesn't find it exciting or erotic in any way, then there's, I'm not really interested. Right.

But you do like the whole hot wife scenario where your girl goes out, gets fucked, she brings the stories home to you. It's the hottest thing in the world. It's the hottest thing in the world. Yeah, I could, I don't need to have any interactions with any. I really don't. For me, the interaction now has to have a value to Brenna as much as it does to me or I don't need it.

Uh-huh. My, my motor gets running when she's playing away from me, brings it back to me. you know, that royalty perk concept. That's it. That's the hottest thing in the world. Anyone who's not experienced that, I highly recommend you roll the dice, you know, and give it a shot. It's like anything else, right? It doesn't work. You don't have to do it again.

But I'm here to tell you, I think 99 times out of 100, it's a fucking home run. Yeah, but why don't you, because you guys are such experts and I, you know, you're so smart and you live in this world. You know, a lot of times when I'm talking to the hot wife couple, the guy at home always typically says what you do. And most of them haven't, are not like you. It's not like they've been there done that fucked a million women. What they like is the variety that they're looking for. What gets them off

all their needs and, you know, meets all their needs is their girl going out with another guy and, you know, and a lot of times, some of these women don't feel comfortable with their guy being with another woman, but he doesn't care, right? Because he's not interested in that. All he cares about is a girl going, you know, going with the guy. And I can't tell you how many times I get people that just like cannot fathom this kind of setup, right? Like it's not fair, you know, blah, blah, blah. But typically, like I, what I'm always saying back is like, these guys, that's not what they're

not looking for other women. Like that's not what it's about. This is what they're into, right? Like, I mean, how do you like explain it to those people that would be like, oh, you know, because, I mean, listen, in your situation, you could go fuck other women if you want. Like, Brennan's like, fine. But don't you find that a lot of guys that are into the hot wife scenario?

They're not looking for other women. Like, that's just the way that it is. Well, here's the thing for me. I'm incredibly fortunate, and I say this with, you know, obviously with all due respect to all the women who show any interest in me, I'm always, you know, flattered when that happens. We were just at our event, Podbash, which is our largest takeover the year every year. We just did it two weeks ago. It's Secrets in Florida. I had the opportunity very literally interest from, I don't know, conservatively a dozen women at that event, okay?

Maybe more. I got, it gets overwhelming and I shut down and I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings. And it's like, you know, the hot wife space, like once again, when we talk about levels, right, there's levels to everything. Yeah. The hot wife space predominantly are older, more mature, more established couples, 40s, 50, 60s, that kind of thing. Uh-huh.

And I think there's, there's a lot of reasons for that. One, you, at that point, you've been together for a significant amount of time and you genuinely understand your partner. You understand each other and what drives you. Right. And I think a lot of times the component of jealousy has gone away. That doesn't really exist with a lot of couples who have been together for that length of time. You've seen it. You've done it. You're over it. Yeah. Also, for me, I'm about to be 55. Okay. I'm on the cusp of 55. And it makes me a little sick to even say that. It's a weird feeling to say to you that I'm about to be 55. Yeah, yeah. You're not going to be able to say it out loud. Trust me. I understand. No, it's already, I got a lump in my throat thinking about. But so at 50, what is about to be 55 of your soul? I also don't have the drive that I had before.

So, yeah, I could pop a couple of pills and go and have sex for a couple of women. I could do that. But guys are very simple. I mean, you just, the male mind is very simple. I want my partner to enjoy herself. If she enjoys herself and she brings that passion home to me, whether it's her or someone else, I'm going to have sex. So I don't need a bevy of women in order to fulfill that need.

I need my partner. So when an older gentleman, like myself and now I have to call myself an older gentleman, having their partner, especially a partner who's 20 years their junior in my case, right? So I've got this hot 34-year-old sex kitten out fucking young 30-year-old strapping hung dudes who can bring that energy back to me. Why the fuck do I need to go out and burn calories trying to get laid anywhere else? Yeah. No.

You know, I mean, it's just the way it is. It sounds incredibly simple and also very selfish, but at the same time, it is the truth. And that's why guys don't, in my situation, you know, you don't see a bunch of guys running around chasing. I'm that old lazy outfielder. If you hit the ball and it lands in my glove, I will throw it back, but I'm not chasing that fucking thing. But I think the other part of it is the gender norm discussion when it comes to sex. And I think that that's one of the reasons that there are so many men in the lifestyle that, you know, for example, men that are that are in relationships wherein they're doing a lot of swapping,

or it's very much they're involved as a couple. A lot of times maybe they're playing with single women. Yeah. And, you know, I think that there is this expectation that men place on themselves to be very kind of, you know, sexually adventurous and to be the ones that are steering the sexual ship. And the hot wife lifestyle kind of turns that on its head, right? Because it's the women that are more sexually empowered. It's the women that are going out and having these different sexual experiences.

And I think if you're really, if you're honest with yourself and that's something that drives you and you can be comfortable with that, that's amazing. But I think a lot of men really struggle with that idea because they feel like that means that they are somehow less masculine, right? If they're allowing, quote of allowing their woman to go out and play with other people and they're not themselves doing it, they're afraid that to their other lifestyle friends or to anyone else that knows what's happening, they're going to be seen as well. weak or beta or whatever, insert whatever other stereotype you might want there. Which could not be further from the truth. It would be the opposite if you really think about it, right? You have to be actually very strong in how you feel about yourself to allow that and then come home and have a hard on to fucker even better, right?

I mean, it's like, yeah. I have this conversation with guys a lot that are like, man, we're thinking about this, but I don't know how it makes me feel. You know, people tell me that it's like, you know, I'm weak because I want my, it's like, listen, man, there's nothing stronger, in my opinion, for a guy in my situation, to have his, to enthusiastically encourage, we've got to stop saying allow, right? Enthusiastically encourage their partner to go out and enjoy themselves, find satiation, and have those erotic experiences with someone else, only to come back to them, because inevitably,

they are, and then you get to benefit from that, you know, energy transference. Now strong a human being, you must be to live in that. that space and the idea that you're somehow weak, you know, I hear this a lot digitally. No one's ever said that to my face, oddly enough. So, you know, it's like, you know, if you think that's weakness, we have to have a conversation about what that word really means, because I'm, I'm confused by it. I would say that weak would be the guys who are in, absolutely just not having the idea that a third, a second man be involved, but they're only going to go after that elusive unicorn, you know, can't have another man in the room. No, no, yeah, the no, no, no, no, no,

two penis policy. You know what that tells me? You're fucking weak. That's what that tells me. You have a lack of confidence in yourself and potentially in your ability, whatever the case may be, but you're lacking something. Real strength comes from saying, yeah, babe, go out there and have a good time, do your thing. Come on home. I'll be here waiting for you when you get back. We'll make this happen. And boom, that's it, man. That's a strong motherfucker right there. I think so. I want that guy to back me up every day. Yeah, totally. But let me ask you this, Brian, because you're around my age and like you know I always say this on my show like you know before I started doing my show I didn't even know that uh like about hot wiping and I had no clue that guys there were so many guys out there

that wanted to see their girls get fucked by other guys and I was always a very open person that talked about sex so I had a lot of guy friends they would tell me everything not one guy ever copped to that to me but I think back to some of the guys that I was with that when they were asked me about other boyfriends and asked me what their how big their cocks were you know I was thinking they were coming from a certain angle, but now I could look back and be like, oh, they were coming from that angle. You know, no one was like really, they were probably all into it, but nobody talks about it. Like, how did you know that you were into that?

Like, did it come to you like when you were in the lifestyle and you saw your partner with somebody else? Did you always know you were into that? Because I never knew guys were into this. And it turns out so many guys are. Well, because I initially in the lifestyle, long before Brennan and I got together, I was in the lifestyle. And I was a bull for a lot of couples.

So I got to see it from both sides. And I saw, in fact, there was one. couple in particular, I spent a lot of time with the lady when I lived in Austin. And they were the drop older than me, very well off. They were super nice people. The husband was super solid, very confident, dude. We got along really well. We would often meet for drinks or just have dinner or whatever, just he and I together. He'd come to my restaurant and we'd sit down and chat, and he's a solid, solid guy. He was a professional, and we got along really well. But he traveled a lot and wanted his wife to enjoy herself. She was a stay-at-home gal. And,

I always saw the excitement on him or heard the excitement in his voice when he would call me after she and I would spend some time together. And I would travel with her or she would travel with me occasionally if I was going out of town for work or whatnot. And, man, he was so excited at the idea that his wife was having a good time. And then he would come back home and we would meet and have a drink or whatever. And, you know, just the look on his face of, you know, appreciation for what was going on in their world. I thought, man, there's something to this, you know. And then I started kind of thinking about what it is.

that got his motor running, and it just made sense. You know, I mean, you're in a situation with a person that is most important to you. Your person is now, you know, intimate with someone else with the understanding that you guys are going to reconnect over it, and that's a driver. I mean, there really is something special about that. And I didn't really appreciate it until I got talking to him and really understood what his, you know, what his thinking was all about. And it really came down to that.

He wanted his partner to enjoy herself, be satiated, and take that enthusiasm back to him, you know, when they got back together. It was, it was super, you know, it was really kind of eye-opening for me, you know. Well, and what's really funny about this is we've always told the story of, you know, Brian and I, when we first brought up the lifestyle to each other, we were laying in bed post-coitus, and I asked Brian what his fantasies were. And he's like, oh, I'd be really hot to see with another guy. And we always marked that as like the start of our lifestyle journey. but it was actually before that. It was like a month before that experience. We were sitting at a bar

and we were having this conversation about how easy it is for women to get laid. Like if a woman wants to be sexual, it's very, very easy. And he's like, well, download one of the dating apps right now and see how many responses you get. And all of a sudden I had 20 guys reaching out to me wanting to meet me that night for sex.

And Brian was like beaming over it. And that was the first time I realized, okay, there's something else going on. Yeah, we lived in a tiny little ski town in Montana. She put this thing up and over the course of us finishing one cocktail. She had like 20 fucking messages. I was like, there's not even 30,000 people that live in this town. How did that just happen?

You know? Oh, my God. And so you threw that out. Was she going to be your first partner that you played that hot wife scenario out with? Was she your first long-term relationship? Yes. I've always had partners who would, I was, you know, I operated in the adult entertainment industry for over 30 years.

So I always had female partners who were. not straight most of the time. And one of my ex-wives also, you know, an adult film star and those kinds of things. So there was always other women around. There weren't always other men around. So it was always me and, you know, my partner and another woman or two or whatever. Right. So I never even, it's actually, I mean, it comes back to my sexuality.

I'm not straight, okay? But I never had the opportunity to even understand that because, you know, until I met Brennan, until I moved to Montana, until I left the adult entertainment industry, you know, really in its totality, I didn't have a chance to experience the idea or even consider the idea that I'd be anything other than straight because I was surrounded by women. So, you know, not having that, you know, that level of activity, you know, constantly. It was, Brenna's the one that recognized it. She's like, you know, you might not be straight.

And I thought, what? I don't know, I never really, never really thought about it. I'm being honest, you know. How could you tell, Brenna? How did, what was the tell, Brenna? Well, there would just be little comments that would be made. Like, for example, you know, we'd go out and play like the, ooh, who's hot in the room type of thing. And most men aren't going to point out other men.

And once in a while, he would point out other men. And I would go, huh, that's interesting. That's not something I've ever experienced with a partner in the past. Men are very happy to play that game with a bisexual woman towards other women. Yeah. But it just seemed like he was significantly more comfortable expressing those things than any other man I met. And then, you know, having that conversation, he was like, you might be on to something. I might be attracted to men.

So, but yeah, I mean, I think Brian's point in general is just like him slowing down. Our lives changed. His life changed drastically. And all of a sudden it was like, okay, cool. Now we have the bandwidth to explore all of these things like hot wiping, like something other than Brian being completely straight. Yeah, listen, I went from living in, you know, in Texas. I lived in Houston before I moved directly to Montana. You know, I went from having girlfriends living in four different apartments on four different corners downtown, very literally.

Yeah. I would forget which fucking place I was supposed to go to. I mean, I'm not even, that's, I'm hardly joking. That's exactly what was going on. I went through that life to moving to small town Montana, meeting, you know, country girl Brenna and go, you know, instead of running, you know, 42 locations throughout the state of Texas, 27 of which were adult entertainment establishments, running, you know, a restaurant in small town, ski town, Montana and meeting this little country girl that's, you know, really not at all has any knowledge of the world of ethical non-monogamy. I mean, it was a complete mind fuck, you know. I literally went from a city of seven million to a town of 20,000. I was like, you know, that alone was enough to jar me, you know. And then, you know, we got into this relationship and it was unlike anything that I clearly had ever experienced before, certainly.

Yeah, but how crazy that you met the most open-minded, you know, woman. Well, full circle, right? In the smallest place, right? I mean, the tiny town, like you would have thought that would have happened, you know, on your four corners in the city that you were in. And you go there and like magnets, you find the perfect person for you. It's kind of crazy. It's a great story. How did you guys meet?

Was it on an app or like a random meeting? Like what was that meeting? Craigslist, close, casual encounters. Oh, no way, wait. Who put the ad and what was the other person looking for? Brenna. Brenna? I put the ad out.

A woman on Craigslist? You were like a unicorn. What's most interesting about that is I got over 200 responses. Of course. Just, okay, wait, what was your ad? This is where I used to get all my callers, you know, in the first couple of years of my show that I had to go on to the personals. You know, I would advertise on there, but I also had to go and rifle through the ad. So I know what was in Craigslist at the time.

You know, I searched every city. I had to work it for years before people would email me to give me on my show. So, you know, I know that to find a real woman, that's on there. That's hot, right? You're hot. You know, looking for some just random great sex hook. up is like, like I said, is a unicorn. I mean, people wouldn't even think that you're real. Of course, you got hundreds of things. What were you actually looking for on Craigslist? Well, that's, I mean,

it's an interesting story because I was not at all, I wasn't looking for a random hookup. I was not looking for a relationship. I wanted to find a dom. I was at that point, already exploring in the world of BDSM. I had gone to some play parties. I had had kind of a very short term play dynamic with somebody in the BDSM world. And I was like, I want someone to dom me. I want an actual like that. So that's how we started our relationship. Brian also had experience in the BDSM world prior to me. And we were both like, okay, this is all that it's going to be. We're just going to be Dom sub. We're not going to be in a relationship. We're not just going to randomly have sex moments and a while there's going to be more to it than that. But it's not a relationship. And then all of a sudden it was a relationship. But wait, why Dom out of the 200 people? I mean, why Brian out of the 200 people? I mean, his message actually said, you know, most of the people, of course, are just a dick pick. Yeah, baby, let me spank you or something. You know, his was actually this very eloquent message explaining his background, explaining his knowledge in that world, you know, making it obvious that he had a brain in his head.

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That's avocado mattress.com. Avocado Mattress.com. Wow. That is crazy. Now, Brian, were you into BDSM being a dumb or were you just like perusing and you saw this and you're like, oh, let me try it? Or was that something that you were really into at the time? Yeah, I had a lot of experience when I still lived in Texas. I was introduced to the world of BDSM in a very unique way, actually.

I dated a gal professional. She was a politician in Austin, of course. And so she invited me to a party to go to this very formal event. And that's all I knew. It was a formal event. So, you know, talking about tuxedo, ball gown, like the whole nine yards. Yeah. And when she picked me up, she picked me up in a limousine. And when she picked me up, she had this beautiful dress. I mean, literally, I mean, the kind of thing that you do on a, you know, red carpet somewhere. And I had a tux on. And, but she was wearing a collar. And I thought, well, that's interesting.

You know, like this leather and steel collar with this beautiful dress and, you know, the whole nine yards. Well, what we went to was a BDSM event at a very well-known hotel. If I mentioned the name, you would know it. And I thought, oh, this is interesting, you know. And it was really my first kind of experience in the space. And then as we continued to date a little bit, I got, you know, a lot more of the understanding and the education and the, you know, the formality of the space. And I kind of fell in love with the idea. And, but, you know, it's like a lot of things.

your first experience, if it's that good, you kind of set yourself up for failure, right? Because after that, everything else is just kind of a disappointment. And once that relationship ended and I continued to try to be in that space, it really was very difficult for me to find my footing. Oh, really? Yeah, it was very difficult. And I kind of liken it to when Brennan I first got here to Vegas, the first party we attended in Vegas was not the normal kind of lifestyle, you know, house party that you come across anywhere in the world. And I thought, wow, if this is what Vegas is like, man, we have struck gold.

And we did that like four days after being here. And it was really, it was a really unique situation. But, yeah, I kind of enjoyed the idea of the Dom sub relationship. And I guess what I really liked about it was the discipline and the structure. You know, I'm a structure, discipline kind of guy. And I really enjoyed that. So when I saw Brenda put that ad out, or I saw the ad come on, I thought, well, that's really interesting, especially in this little town, right? I had been in town for four days, I think.

Yeah. And I saw this ad on, I thought, let me just jump on Craigslist and see what it looks like here in this little, you know, Montana town. And I thought, well, that's really interesting, you know, and so yeah, I thought, the hell with it. I'll reach out. And sure enough, she responded. Oh, my God. I love, like, those stories of people, especially people who have been with each other for a long time. And, you know, you realize you guys are each other's soulmates and you guys are the one. That kind of meeting, it's so sort of meant to be if you think about it. Like all the rain. randomness of it, right? But yet, there you were. Well, when you think about all the people that thought this thing wasn't going to last more than a week that knew us, Brenna's family, my friends, everybody was like this, there's no way. This is not a thing. Yeah, you guys go ahead and explore that. That'll be over soon. Yeah, seven years later. I mean, did he tell you his history? Like, I mean, because you, you maybe were dabbling in BDSM and stuff,

but you were, like, heavily involved in the lifestyle like he was in his past. Like, did he put that all? like Brian, did you put that all on the table, like right from the get-go? Well, that was the beauty of how this whole thing started, right? You talk about couples that don't communicate, that don't talk, that don't know about each other's past, you know, that kind of stuff. Yeah. We started out in a situation where I was coming out of yet again another kind of, you know, less than exemplary relationship. Brenna was coming out of another unfulfilling relationship. Neither of us wanted a relationship out of this.

So we had nothing to lose, but to be honest with each other. Right. Because neither of us really gave a shit whether it turned into anything or not in the beginning. So we all, we had all the knowledge of what each other was up to and what we wanted and all those things before we ever got into a legitimate relationship. Like three months in is whether we really decided that this was something. But up to that point, we were just being honest with each other about what we wanted because, I mean, it just didn't matter, right? I mean, we didn't care about judgment from each other because it was just a physical thing. Yeah, we didn't care.

And now, Brenda, had you ever had open relationships before this one? No, this was by far my only in first open relationship. Wow. My other ones were very, not only monogamous, but very vanilla. Right, and very locked down. But here you are, you know, in the beginning of our conversation saying, like, you just feel like you are just like very naturally non-monogamous. So, you know, like, that must have been interesting for you to sort of learn that about

yourself as you got into this open relationship because you never probably knew that before or did you always know it and you felt like trapped in those relationships or did you sort of realize and blossom into who you really were when you did get into the open relationship? To be honest with you, I just thought I was a piece of shit because I never cheated on any of my past partners, but I thought about it a lot. Like it was especially in my, yeah, I got married when I was very young and in my marriage, if I thought about it once I thought about it 5,000 times the idea of cheating. And in my head, I was like, oh, I'm just messed up. Like, you know, I started seeing a therapist. And then I realized as I've gotten older and as I've explored this relationship,

no, I mean, I never cheated. So that's, I think that's commendable given how much I wanted to and how much I thought about it. But, you know, I'm just naturally not meant to be sexual with one person. That's just not who I am. Yeah. So there were signs there. That's interesting before. Let me ask you a quick question because Brian, you mentioned, oh, when you guys got to Vegas and you went to that party, it was like nothing you ever experienced. Like, what the fuck was going down at that party? Holy shit. I mean, is Vegas like everything they say it is, even for the lifestyle?

It's even more city there too. If you're a local, yes, absolutely. There's a local lifestyle scene and then there's the tourist lifestyle scene. Okay. Rarely do those two worlds collide. Oh, really? Yeah, Vegas is, you know, the locals here are very protective of everything. We're protective of our favorite restaurants.

we're protective of the lifestyle. You know, we don't, we gate keep a lot of shit because, you know, this is a tourist count. It's very transient. And we just, we a lot of times don't share that information. Yeah. We were very fortunate. We were here, literally four days, right?

We didn't even have furniture yet. And we, we were contacted on our profile, one of our profiles, by a single mail. And the message was really kind of, you know, very nice and very well written and eloquent. And it was, hey, you know, we're hosting this. buy event. It's for buy couples and buy singles. And it's a house party. It's private. Um, you know, but if you guys are interested, we'd love to have you. You're a great looking couple. You know, that kind of thing. And under normal circumstances, that is not at all what we would ever, we would never have responded to that. Okay. But here we are in Vegas, just moved here,

trying to figure out the lay of the land. We're like, fuck it. Let's do it. So we contact him back. And as it turns out, he's become a great friend. He's a super guy. Um, he's a, uh, he's a, He's an entertainer here in Vegas and around the country. Very, very cool guy. Yeah. So I respond to him. Brenner responds to him. So the plan, of course, that he lays out, it gets sketchier, okay?

So we're going to, we're going to meet at a local bar, gay bar in town, okay? Everyone's meeting there because the way he put it was there were only two available parking spaces in the place that this party was being hosted. So essentially, a bunch of people were going to carpool, okay? Which is again, a little odd, right? Okay. So we get to this place. We pull in and ironically, it turns out years later now, we are, as Brennan and I are sitting in our recording studio where we're talking to you, the place that we met him is literally

across the street from our studio. Oh, yeah, crazy. The worst fucking neighborhood in, okay? So we pull in and it's sketchy. It's nighttime. So I back in so I can look in the rearview mirror and see the door and see who's going in and going out. Eventually, the gentleman who reached out to us, we see him and we recognize him.

He gets out of his car and he walks in. So we know he's there. So about 10 minutes go by, we think, okay, let's go check it out. We go in. It's almost completely empty because this is like a Tuesday, okay? And we see him. He's sitting all the way in the back. He's drinking a beer sitting by himself.

So we approach, we introduce ourselves. And sure enough, he looks just like his picture. He's an attractive guy, you know, really nice. Everything's going just fine. But he is alone and we're thinking, huh, I wonder what this is going to turn into. Well, the first couple shows up, super, super, attractive. And as it turns out, they become long friends of ours. And we meet them and it's like, wow, okay, they're really attractive. This is getting better. The next couple comes in and they're

actually a thruple, super attractive, all of them, like, holy shit. And this continues until there's about, I don't know, was there 12 of us or something? And then the gentleman who originally reached out to us, he goes, okay, our ride is here. So we walk outside and there's a black phantom Rolls Royce. Oh my gosh. Okay. Yeah. No. So the guy hosting. So the guy hosting. this thing picks us up in this Rolls Royce. Anyway, half of us jump in his car, the other half go into someone else's car, and we go to the place that we're going to have this party

and realize very quickly why there's only two spots. Well, it's like the premier high-rise luxury condo building in Las Vegas on the strip, okay? And as it turns out, the unit is the top three floors of the building, 59, 60, and 61. So it's about a 12,000 square foot condo. immaculately designed, incredibly furnished. I mean, this fucking thing was something right out of a magazine.

You know, the balcony out front ran the length of the building, and it was overlooking the strip, 61 floors up. I actually had sex on that balcony with a woman I met that night. Yeah. And it was absolutely, all I could remember was the view. I don't even remember what she looked like. But it was one of those kind of experiences, and it was amazing. Everybody's naked right away.

Everyone's in the living room, and everybody's kind of doing their things. thing and Brent and I just kind of went along for the ride. It was really kind of unique for us. So, yeah, that was our first lifestyle experience in Vegas. And so there is that sort of separate thing going down there because it's so transient at that. Where you live or when you live there, it is a separation. It's not like you're living in the middle. Like, I mean, for me, I live in New York City, right? But like, it's not like living in the middle of Times Square. I mean, that's how I would think like being in Vegas is. But you're not there. People that live there have a separate life and you're not sort of a.

part of that whole scene. No, no. Everybody thinks Vegas is huge, it's big city. Vegas has got less than a million people in it or right out a million people. It's not that big. Right. You know, but it's very protected. The lifestyle here is very protected.

Yeah, I love that. I love your guy's story and I love this conversation, you know. I mean, these are the kinds of conversations you guys have on your podcast. So people are definitely good and want to go check out your podcast. And I definitely want you guys back on. I would love Brian to have you back on and do like a guy talk episode all about, you know, sort of coming to terms with being into guys. and guy on guy action because there's still such a stigma around that and it really bothers me and I don't

understand it and I think the more you talk about and Brenna you could feel free to be on that call too because you're a woman who sort of brought that up and was cool about it. I just think that's a really interesting discussion we could have and I think it's an important one you know but I really love talking to you guys. You guys are super smart. You are very professional. You guys have been there done that. Give people give a shout out to everything that you guys have because besides having a podcast you also have an only fans right so people could see like your hot action and stuff like that right but give out all your details and then i'm gonna you know send me some links and i'll put them in the description so people could find everything absolutely so all of the podcast stuff in our events

anything lifestyle related can be found at front porch swingers.com and our spicier stuff my spicier stuff anyway can be found at sincity hotwife.com in fact brian has an only fan that's uh free and he does some just kind of showing off of his nice bod and that's also links on front porchwingers.com. Right. And so like, because you mentioned before, it's not just like you guys are not just podcasters. You throw events. You did you said you just did a big hotel takeover. I mean, you guys do stuff like that as well. Correct. And they could find that on your website. Yeah. All of that is at frontportswingers.com. We kind of do a little bit of everything in this world.

So everyone can find everything in one convenient spot. Right. I love it. Thank you so much for calling in. It was, to me, this is like such a great interesting episode and a great discussion. And I'll definitely have you back on. Let's do the the buy guy talk. I think that that'll be really interesting. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Kathy, I'd love to do that. Not enough conversation about that in this space. Yeah, I don't understand. And that's why I love butter as my, you know, as one of my partners. Because I always say like I'm totally like trying to get every guy to be open to a little anal auction. Even you don't have to be by to be into it. But I just think that there are so many guys that are into other guys. But for some reason, they just can't raise their hand yet. Because it's like, it's like the last stigma to go away. I don't understand. I'm always like. Why don't you get like the transgender PR person on your side, okay? Because everything else is out and proud and out there and it's okay. But for some reason, guy and guy action is still this weird thing.

And when I learn that it's still even stigmatized within the lifestyle, I'm like, what the fuck? How crazy is that? Yeah. How crazy is that in that world? Like that's a problem. So we have to discuss that. Feel free to use my link that I get to book another time. and we'll do that anytime you guys want.

But thank you so much for calling in. I love talking to guys. This was super interesting and fun. Thank you. Yeah, thank you so much. Kathy. Thank you. Yeah, talk soon.

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