Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 962 - Vanessa and her Husband are Into Couple Swapping, Threesomes, Water Sports and More

Episode Date: November 11, 2024

Vanessa and her husband are into ffm threesomes, couple swapping, water sports and more and she called in to talk all about it. Tune in to hear all the details including her first experience with a gi...rl and how far they went, when her husband first copped to being into “desperation” water sports and how she felt about it, their first water sport experience and what went down, how and when she started selling her used pantie online and the crazy special requests she got from the guys who bought, the first woman she met who she went all the way with and exactly what went down, how her husband felt when she told him she had hooked up with her without him knowing, how and when they started getting into the lifestyle, their first swingers party they attended and exactly what went down with all the people they hooked up with, the boundaries they had going in, how she loved being watched by people and what she enjoys most about it, how they both felt seeing each other with other people, why she prefers the word lifestyle vs swingers, the first couple they hooked up with outside of the club and what went down with them, how the transition from vanilla into non-monogamy was very easy, how and why they’re don’t want to play solo, how and why she got a therapist to help them to navigate their open marriage even though they have no issues as of now plus a whole lot more. **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at strictlyanonymouspodcast@gmail.com or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confess while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order  https://beducate.me/anonymous60 Get BEDucated! For 60% off PLUS a FREE 24 hour trial, click the link and use code: anonymous60 Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:02:42 It's patreon.com slash strictly anonymous podcast. The link is in the description. Also, if you want to join an adult dating site, I now partnered up with SDC. SDC.com is like the world's largest online. dating website. I partner up with them because most of my callers who call into my show that are in the lifestyle, that's the site they prefer. What's great about SDC is not only are they worldwide and you can meet people to date and hook up with, you also get in the know on like all the hotel
Starting point is 00:03:12 takeovers and the swinger clubs and the swinger parties, the gangbings, the meet and greets, the munches, all that stuff that's going on in your area or close by, you're going to find it on SDC. Plus they got great blogs and information. You can look at. learn about the lifestyle there. They have live events where people talk and educate people. It really is like a one-stop shop to everything you need to know about the lifestyle. And you get a free trial. If you go through my link or use my code 37712, that's 37712. Or just go to the description and click on the SEC length and you'll get the free trial. So you can check it out. Okay. So let me get to my guest today. Her name is Vanessa. She's really cool. I really liked her. She was like so much
Starting point is 00:03:51 fun to talk to. She talked all about how her and her guy, her husband, got into the lifestyle, but they did so many different things before that. She talked about how and when they first met, how he was into water sports and how he brought it up and then what they did with in regards to water sports because they got into it. She was into it. And she's really into women. She talks about her experience with women and then how they started to hook up with women when she was married. She kind of cheated on her husband with a girl. She talks about that. And then they eventually get into the lifestyle. And she goes into that whole story.
Starting point is 00:04:26 She talks about the first experience at a club. And then the experience with the couples that they have hooked up with. And she talks about when they plan and what they plan on doing in the future. She's a lot of fun. She's got a lot of really great stories. She loves being in the lifestyle. She feels like she found her place in life. She's super happy.
Starting point is 00:04:43 And she talks all about it. You're going to love her stories. I have hot picks of her over my Patreon. She'll also be on my Discord. But anyway, I'm going to get right to it to be right back on with the. Vanessa. Hi, Vanessa. Welcome to the strictly anonymous podcast. How are you today? I'm doing good Vanessa. I'm doing good Kathy Kay. How you doing? Listen, I should have made up a fake name. I mean, my real name isn't Kathy Kay, but like I should have made up a better fucking name for myself. I like Vanessa. Vanessa is your fake name.
Starting point is 00:05:08 That's why you can't get it right. Right. Exactly. I'm like Vanessa. Oh yeah. That's me. Yeah, that's you. That's quote on, your quote unquote, Vanessa. And Vanessa, you got a lot of stuff going on. I love girls that are into all kinds of things. You're going to talk we're going to talk about your husband and how you guys got into water sports. We're going to talk about you sizzering your friend and cheating with her. I don't know what that means. We're going to talk about some sort of something you call a panty deal. And we're going to talk about you and your husband getting into the lifestyle during COVID or after COVID or some shit like that.
Starting point is 00:05:38 But we'll go in like chronological order, right? Hell yeah. So we start with like when you met your husband and got into water sports. I don't know. Where do you want to start? Yeah. Well, let's go ahead and start from the beginning. Growing up in the 90s, like, you know, it was a different time then.
Starting point is 00:05:53 I feel like that was when we were kind of evolving into like sex in the city and Trucab Confessions and the Bunny Ranch. All these shows were on when I was growing up. And it really, really like opened my eyes into a different, I guess you can call it the lifestyle. And when I was exposed to that, it was just like, it looked more, it made sense to me. It was more, it seemed more comfortable. It seemed more exciting.
Starting point is 00:06:18 It just seemed like, wow, I wanted to be an adult. Like right there and then and start having sex. Exactly. Yeah. And so seeing these women who are just confident and independent, it really planted a seed in me. And so when I was growing up, my first experience was actually with a woman. It was actually from Truth or Dare.
Starting point is 00:06:40 And she, yeah, she showed me a little bit of here and there during the like a bathroom scenery. And I don't know. So anyway, so that kind of like explored my sense. sexuality with women. And did you like it? Oh my God. I was like, how is this not normal?
Starting point is 00:06:56 Like, how far did you go? Wait, how far did you go with her in the bathroom? Oh, dude. Like, it was like, it wasn't like full on,
Starting point is 00:07:06 but you know, we couldn't, so I couldn't just touch her, right? I had to be a dare. So I had to dare to touch her pussy. I had a dare to touch her ass. I had a dare to touch her tits.
Starting point is 00:07:16 And it was just really sexy to me. And I was just like, never experienced this before. And it was just like, it just opened my eyes. It was like fireworks. It was just like, oh my God, like I love this feeling. I love the feeling of a woman's touch. I love a feeling. But at the same time, I love the feeling of a man's touch. So it was just something like, how do you like both, right? And so that's kind of where I was exploring when I was growing up. Just what do I like, what I don't like? And then on top of that, I met my husband really early in life. So right when I hit college, we ended up meeting.
Starting point is 00:07:51 And he was, ooh, he was really, he's still sexy. But you know what I mean? Like when you first meet your person, it was just like, damn. You know. You know. Oh, yeah. How old were you? And how old are you now?
Starting point is 00:08:02 I was about 19. I'm 33 now. Okay. So you guys been married to it for a long time. Oh, very long time. Yes. He's my main thing for sure. Who got who into water sports?
Starting point is 00:08:14 Oh, he definitely got me into the water sports. So he was freaky too. Oh, dude. Before I was apparently. Like, okay, so he played it like he was like this innocent. Oh, yeah. I really dated a few people. And I'm like, oh, this guy's so cute.
Starting point is 00:08:29 And I'm the opposite. I've dated a lot of people, you know? So I'm like, I'm going to have to teach him a few things here and there, you know? Oh, God. God forbiddy asks you how many guys you fucked before him. No, I'm just joking. Oh, right, right. I was like, yeah, I only fucked a few, eight, 12.
Starting point is 00:08:43 But then one day, you know, we're sitting at the college drinking some cheap-ass wine and he just kind of confessed to me he's like yeah like you know like water you know we'll we'll call it water sports but he tell when i when i when i when i first confessed he was like okay first of all it's not water sports it's more like wedding i was like oh okay i'm sorry so he got to have to school me a little bit about like the terminology so his thing is wedding so apparently he likes he doesn't like his thing is more desperation women in clothes fitness needs to hold it but can't hold it anymore kind of situations. And so he thinks it's sexy as fuck, you know, with a girl holding her pussy and squeezing herself.
Starting point is 00:09:26 Not wanting to pee, you mean. Exactly. I've heard this before. I mean, it's not a lot, but I heard it once before. I thought that was interesting. Like, that's the part of it that he likes you holding it in. Right. Right.
Starting point is 00:09:38 Just that desperation, you know, I have to like hold it. Yeah. And then, and then the release. So that's his thing. And so he explains it to you. Are you like, what the fuck? Or are you like, oh, that sounds like fun? So it was more like, oh, thank God.
Starting point is 00:09:51 Because I had that my little secret where when I drink too much, I accidentally have piss on myself. Oh, you're kidding. What a weird match in heaven. Right. Okay. So it was just that weird universe saying, you know what? You two would be a great compatible couple. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:10:09 Yeah. What are the odds? Interesting. So when he was telling me this, I was just like laughing and relief. And I was like, well, okay, yeah, no, that's completely fine, you know. And so our first experience was at like a cheap-ass easy-8 hotel, very romantic, you know. So, you know, because we're in college, so we didn't have an actual place to really do the thing. So we ended up going to the easy, the sleazy eight.
Starting point is 00:10:35 And yeah, we ended up, you know, doing the whole role-playing thing. And he was really turned on by it. I was, and surprisingly turned on by it the way he was turned. It was just because we had sex before. And I just always felt like there was something missing. Like, I always felt like, you know, he was holding back a little bit. Right. And that night, it was like full on, I'm not holding back.
Starting point is 00:10:56 I feel fully 100% comfortable with you. And it was just magical because I could tell that he finally let his guard down. Right. And that was what made the sex sexy and very just sensual and romantic and hot. And, you know, like I said, you know, I did the, he, his face. favorite thing is like the gray pants like so you can really see the water sport trails and anything light jeans you know anything like that is like one of his favorite his favorite is cotton because i always thought like okay yeah you want sexy thong lingerie you know like no they want cotton granny panties
Starting point is 00:11:34 yeah they wanted to it's just like amateur porn they wanted to look right they're not looking right you don't need to sex it up it's no it to look like the real deal like you had an accident Right. And so I was like, okay, okay, okay, I can do this. I guess no sexy thongs. All right, you know. But did you have fun doing it? I had a great time. Like, I've always been a person that's been very fluent. I love trying new things. I love, especially like I said, I'm a person that gets off on getting my partners off. So it's like, if it's simple as just pissing on myself, I'm like, okay. Exactly. Like, that's going to give me an orgasm, you know, because I know you're into this. So since that night, that's kind of like our go-to a little bit.
Starting point is 00:12:18 We don't do it all the time, but we do it pretty frequently. And it just opened up more doors for me and my sexuality, you know, and just like, what does this mean? Because now we're opening up other doors I've never explored, you know, and just like, what does this mean? Because now we're opening up other doors I've never explored. And now you could be honest with him. Did you tell him that you were into women?
Starting point is 00:12:42 Yes. Oh, yes. Like, but at that time, it was, I was going through a weird period in my life. Like, before I met him, I was kind of like in a survival mode. And because I was like independent, you know, I ended up leaving my house at 15, just really wanting to explore this life at a very early age. And so I kind of turned that off a little bit, you know, with my sexuality because I felt like that wasn't the, my main attention at that time.
Starting point is 00:13:11 But now when I'm in a safe relationship. Now I feel like I'm safe. Now I feel like I'm in a period where I can actually explore myself without feeling shame or guilt. And that's where I talked about it a little bit. But we were just how you're just so in love with somebody. You're like, I don't want nobody else. Everybody else could fuck themselves, you know? So that's the song that we were kind of doing for a while.
Starting point is 00:13:34 And then, because we've been together since, like I said, 19, 20s. And we had children. And we had a lot of things that happened. But before all that, we got a to Panty Deal. So Panty Deal kind of opened that situation with us a little bit. So Panty Deal was a joke. Okay, so I was a barista at one point, and I'm trying to figure out extra income. And I don't even know.
Starting point is 00:13:56 I probably had to be like another barista talking about it. They're like, yeah, you could just sell your panties on your used panties. That was like a thing at a certain time. That was like a thing. It was like, and I was like used panties. Like all I have to do is wear my panties and just send it off. Yeah. I was like, that sounds too good to be true, right?
Starting point is 00:14:15 And so I was like, let me figure this shit out, you know? So I started doing my homework and yeah, it was that easy. It was like, really like you just had to create a profile, get some sexy pictures, and people were just flaunting to my page. And I was just like, wow, this is really fucking different. And then I started getting requests, like special requests. Hey, do you have any panties that are old with period, period, blood. I know this is so gross, but like,
Starting point is 00:14:43 you know what I mean? Like weird shit like that. You know what I'm just like? Really? Really? Things that women are normally ashamed of men are very turned on by. Yeah, it's weird. Like foot fetish guy, some of them like smelly, stinky, dirty feet. Like it's weird, but it exists like that and I've heard it. Yeah. Stinky fucking panties and, you know, wear them for a week and piss on them a little bit. And like, they're just like, yeah, I'll pay extra for that shit. I'm like, please do. Like I said, I know it sounds like, to me, I think it's just so amazing.
Starting point is 00:15:17 Like, I can turn somebody on that easily for something that simple. That used to be a shame. Like that all these things that I used to be shamed up is, like I said, somebody's turn on. And it just, like I said, it's almost like it opened up this other side of confidence. Because I'm not a size two, you know. I'm like a size 14 on a good day. And the fact that these men think that they're looking at me, look, I'm a size two. Like, they see me as this, like, exotic, beautiful goddess.
Starting point is 00:15:48 And I just never experienced that type of lust before. And it's almost addicting because it's like, especially in your normal life, people don't, they do see you that way. They don't express it, right? They don't give you that attention. What do you think the whole lure of Instagram and selfies and social media? Why do you think everyone's addicted? it's the fucking likes it's people paying attention to you it's it's exactly what you're talking about it's addicting to everybody you know people just like paying attention to you everyone gets
Starting point is 00:16:17 fucking addicted to that oh my god no and it's just like and like i said it could it could be a blessing and a curse yeah how much did you make did you make a lot of money selling your panties oh fuck yeah i mean not too much because i was still working at as a barista but like i was making like three hundred dollars a month and that was before like inflation yeah now i you're young and when you're young that's a lot of money i mean i got it yeah that's good extra money for nothing for putting something in an envelope but going to the post office not bad right and then like and that was just my panties i was actually doing videos like i had a guy who like i like i said i had one guy that um love crushing and so he wanted me to get dirty
Starting point is 00:17:02 stinky jaw uh gym shoes and then just stop on candy that's all that's all that's all all he wanted me to do was stomp on candy, make it nice and sensual, make sure it's nice, that the shoe was nice and muddy. And you know what I mean? It was just so, to me, it was just so, like you said, interesting that these, like, these requests. So specific. And it's, a lot of them didn't want me to touch me or want them to touch myself. Yeah, of course. Of course. Of the act. Yep. And also, that's what I respected too. But then life happens and our relationship got more It's serious because after us being together for six years, we ended up having our first child. So then we're just like, okay, maybe we need to slow it down a little bit.
Starting point is 00:17:46 We need to figure out, instead of being, you know, Vanessa and husband, we need to be mom and dad now. Yeah. So then we slowed it down. And then, you know, I got real insecure because the baby weight. I ended up having two children. So my body was just trying to catch up. And I was not feeling the sexiest when I was before. And then I don't know.
Starting point is 00:18:09 So then that's when Tinder and all those like date websites started popping up. And it was so because I want my cousins, my friends, they're all talking about. Swipe less, swipe right. And I'm like, what the fuck is that? And so, you know, I go into looking at it and I'm like, wow, that is some interesting ass shit. Like you just pick people. Like, but that's when I started talking to my husband. And I was like, hey, I do have this by side that I've never really got to
Starting point is 00:18:36 explore with you. Are you willing to explore that with me? And he's just like, fuck yeah. And so I was like, all right. So I was like, are you willing to make a page on tender and seeing what we can find? He was like, yeah, let's do it. So we put like a little page out. And so like a week goes by and I mean, our shit got lit up, right? And so, but we got the free trial thing. So I didn't get to see exactly all these people who are on our page, right? So, because I was still kind of like shame, scared, uh, you know, all these like insecurities. And and then my insecurities even gotten heightened when one of my cousins came up and was like, hey, um, yeah, I have a page on tender and I've been seeing people on there. And I'm just like, oh,
Starting point is 00:19:24 fuck. Basically, she's saying that she saw my page without saying she saw my page. Yeah. And I'm just like, it just horrified me. And so I just immediately. deleted it. I was like, I don't even want to know who's on there. I don't even want to see the messages now. And a few weeks go by and me and my husband, me and my husband end up going to the bar. And we end up meeting this couple. This couple comes right up to us, right? And I'm just, and it's completely oblivious. And I'm just like, you know, they're like really intense. Like it's like the sexual, I don't know, they gave off the sexual vibe already. And I'm just like, They were a really hot couple.
Starting point is 00:20:08 And, you know, we kind of like started hanging out, talking, became vanilla friends. And then the husband ended up getting deployed. So me and the girl, my friend, ended up getting closer because she was just sad and, yeah, alone and just needed some attention, I guess. So, you know, one night we ended up going out to the bar and we ended up doing karaoke together. That was that kind of our thing. And it just got really, I don't know, I don't know what the fuck happened. It was just one of those things like sexual tension. I didn't even know she was bisexual, but I think we just started like, I think touching each other on the bar, you know, kind of giving each other this looks and then going to the house.
Starting point is 00:20:47 And we didn't make out, but we definitely like we're just touching each other. And it's just like that sensual just filling up on each other. Just it felt so good. And yeah, like I said, we didn't do anything, but we just kind of, you know, like did stuff. like I said, when it comes to like rubbing each other's breast, just filling up on each other. Why didn't you go any further? Fear. I never been with anybody but my husband.
Starting point is 00:21:13 And so it's just one of those situations where it was just so freeing but scary at the same time. Okay. So we didn't do anything until I think a few months later. And it was just like every time we hung out, we just went a little bit farther, a little bit farther. And after a while, that's one night, we just got really drunk and we ended up going all the way. Like she ended up saying something about like, I need to use the bathroom. I need to take a shower. And I'm just like, bitch, why are you going to take a shower for?
Starting point is 00:21:42 It was like, I was completely oblivious because she also kept sending mixed messages because like, we'll do stuff. And then she'd be like, we shouldn't have done that. And I'm like, oh, okay, I'm sorry. But then she'll get drunk and be like, okay, do it again. So it was like this tease that we're doing, this sexy dance. And yeah, we end up fucking. And she was in the bathroom, getting undressed. And yeah, we ended up going to the bed.
Starting point is 00:22:08 And then she ended up dressing me. I ended up going down on her, which I'm like, damn, I love eating pussy. That was your first time, right? Right. I mean, since as a teenager, I ate pussy a little bit as a teenager, but like, not as an adult. Okay. And so it was really like, yeah, I was like, oh, yeah. Yeah, I'm, yeah, this is, this is it.
Starting point is 00:22:31 Yeah, I definitely love to eat pussy. I love sucking dick. So I am definitely bisexual in the extreme way, you know? And we had a great night. Like I said, that was my first time scissoring somebody. Uh-huh. How was that? Oh, my God, dude.
Starting point is 00:22:46 Oh, my goodness. Like, that was just so hot. Like, I almost came like instantly. I had to, like, hold back because I was just like, oh, no, don't look like a pussy. But, yeah, she rocked my socks off. It opened up this complete door of like, I want more. I want more. And so in my last confession, I said that it happened.
Starting point is 00:23:08 My time period was a little off. So this happened before COVID. So after that last experience, like we full on, like, fucked each other. That's what it felt like she fucked me. Like she got on top of me and fucked the shit out of me. With a strap on? No, with her pussy. Like just, she just rubbed.
Starting point is 00:23:28 Like, because I think we're just so wet. We were just so turned on that, like, it was, we didn't need a fucking strap on. Like that our fucking put, like, it was just pussy matched with pussy. The clip was like right there. I don't know. It was just, it felt so fucking good. Our juices together. It was just fucking sexy.
Starting point is 00:23:49 And like I said, I wanted more, you know, and then COVID happened. Like literally a week later, we got the fucking shutdown. dude and I'm just like are you fucking serious I was so upset so upset because now I'm paranoid no I can't go over there now they had everybody paranoid god forbid and everyone like stayed home didn't see people I remember it's crazy remember that I was I thought it was the end of the world I really did I said this is it we're here still fucking walking dead people were washing their groceries before they brought them in I mean so so you couldn't see her right? But do you start swinging during COVID or when it lifts?
Starting point is 00:24:32 When it lifts. Definitely when it lift. Yeah. Like we were just because like I said after that, it just I wanted more and I couldn't stop thinking about it. And like I went straight to my husband that night and told him what happened because I felt so guilty. And he because even though she's a woman, even though, you know, he gave me the green light, I didn't tell him up front that we were even doing this stuff. Like he thought we were just going all karaoke. You know what I mean? He didn't know that we were actually filling up on each other. Yeah, he could be considered cheating.
Starting point is 00:25:02 Right. And especially, you know, but he was hard as a fucking rock. And he fucked so good. He was into it. Oh, dude, he was, oh, my gosh. Yeah, he was hell into it. Okay. And you don't mind me saying, because the terminology, you don't mind me saying dude, right?
Starting point is 00:25:21 No, not at all. Okay, okay, because I just, that's my love language. Yeah, that's cool. I like dude. I like I used dude all the time, I think. Okay, good. Because I think you're as sexy as fuck and I'm like, no. I know you're not a dude. No, no, no. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:36 Oh, yeah, I don't look at it that way at all. Don't worry. And I'm kind of like a dude. So it's cool. That's what I'm saying. Like, yeah, we talk like guys sometimes. Is that when you guys start like discussing the lifestyle? Yeah. So we started doing our homework. So we're like, okay, how do you even get this started? Because we're out of touch with all the stuff. We're just like,
Starting point is 00:25:56 like, okay, we need to really figure out how to do it the right way. Yeah. And it's like, you know, because we don't even know our boundaries. So it's like, okay, what do we like, what we don't like? I've never seen them with anybody before. And, you know, of course, when you're first with each other, you have those jealousies with other people and, you know, normal vanilla shit, you know. And so I'm like, okay, well, I mean, am I going to get jealous?
Starting point is 00:26:19 Like, well, if I see him with somebody else, will I react? Because I'm such a mama bear that I, I, I don't know how I'm going to react. That's valid. I think a lot of people feel that way. And I'm just like, okay, so, you know, we're going a little slow and we're going through the podcast and we ran into your podcast and that's when we kind of like, it really solid what we felt already.
Starting point is 00:26:46 And it gave us more of an open like, oh, okay, yeah, you can. There's levels. You don't have to just go full on. And so we started like, okay, well, why? Once we, once COVID lifted, we're just like, okay, you want to start making a page on SLS. And he was like, yeah, let's do it. So we started doing it in 2020, the beginning of 2024. So all these years, we're finally like, all right, we're here.
Starting point is 00:27:12 We're, we're going to do it, you know? And our first experience was at a party. And I was so fucking nervous. It's a swingers party? It was a swingers party. Yes. And so it was a, it was at a local person's house. And I was just like, I was really nervous.
Starting point is 00:27:34 I was really scared because we didn't know anybody. And I'm like, how are you going to, how is this going to be? You know, I'm like, are you nervous? Because I'm like, I'm fucking nervous. Are you nervous? He's like, yes, I'm nervous. I said, how do you feel like, what's our boundary? Like, are we going to kiss?
Starting point is 00:27:47 Are we not going to kiss? He was like, we're just going to figure this out. And I'm like, okay, but if anything happens, like, if you feel uncomfortable, give me the eye, let me know. So we're just basically talking about like, our go-toes of what to do if we're uncomfortable. Right. Our little trigger warnings, you know, before we go too far.
Starting point is 00:28:05 And so when we get there, I'm like, oh, we are not fucking. Like, it was just so clicky. Like, you get it right to tell up front, like, everybody knew each other. So it was kind of a little disappointing at first. We were like, oh, shit. Like, people know each other here. Yeah, that's weird. Yeah, so we're kind of like a fish outside of the water.
Starting point is 00:28:24 And we're just like, okay, we're just going to, you know, float by and just figure it out. And then we had this couple kind of like laser us. They're like, ooh, fresh meat, you know? So they kind of come up to us. And they're a really sweet, really sweet couple. And they were making us feel very welcomed and showing us around, you know, showing us to other couples. And then we met a unicorn.
Starting point is 00:28:48 And the unicorn was just like, yeah, you know, we have a thing called a saddle. And I was like, what's a saddle? Yeah, what is it? A saddle is like, you know what those cowboy, you know, you get on to the horse. Yeah. So it's kind of like that, but it's a vibrator. Oh, okay. Kind of like a sybian, but a sad.
Starting point is 00:29:08 They call it a saddle. There you go. There you go. There you go. And so I was like, okay. So she showed it to me. And that shit was fucking sexy as fuck. So then we started kind of playing with the unicorn a little bit, you know.
Starting point is 00:29:21 And then this is an open room. People are walking in, walking out. And I'm like, oh, my God, we're actually fucking doing this. So I'm touching her. breast and she's riding the saddle a little bit. So yeah, we ended up having a full on experience with the unicorn, me and my husband, and we ended up having a couple of couples coming in. And then at one point, we get off the saddle and I'm like, okay, I'm going to get on the fucking saddle. So I jump on the saddle and then I just have a crowd of people at one point surrounding me, just watching me on
Starting point is 00:29:53 this saddle. And a girl was actually controlling the saddle. And so, So I was just like, okay, it didn't feel so good. It felt like, and I don't know if it was people watching me. I don't know if it's because this is my first time doing this. But I just had this natural high that was just so like freeing and just so like I just did not give a shit at that point. And like I said, I'm not in no size zero. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:30:20 Like for me to be full on naked in front of these people for the first time, it just gave me this liberation. I can imagine. Like, yes. And confidence, because people are like getting off on you. They're into it. They like you. They like what they see.
Starting point is 00:30:37 Exactly. Exactly. And my husband, on top of that, he was turned on. So I'm like, hell yeah. You know what I mean? Like he's on board. Everybody's on board. And they were very polite too.
Starting point is 00:30:48 So they weren't just grabbing on me and being all. They were asking permission. Hey, is it okay if I touch you? Hey, is it okay? And asking my husband, hey, is it okay if I could touch her? And he was completely. completely okay with it. And it was just such an amazing experience.
Starting point is 00:31:02 We didn't get on the bed. And then we ended up, he ended up playing with the unicorn. I ended up playing with a couple. And we were just like looking at your child like, oh my God, this is actually fucking happening. And it was almost like a movie.
Starting point is 00:31:15 Like, you know, at the end of the night where we walk out and we're just covered in like pussy fucking, like pussy sweat, fucking. We smell like everybody. And we're just walking to our car. and we're just like, we did the damn thing. Like, how do you feel? Like, do you feel okay? Are you okay?
Starting point is 00:31:33 Because we're on this high. We're excited. And then we're like, oh, shit, reality sits in. Like, are you okay? Like, did everything work out the way you want? Like, you know what I mean? Yeah. Was it everything that you imagine?
Starting point is 00:31:44 Yeah. And he was like, yeah, and more. And you too. And me fucking too. Oh, my God. Like, I was like, yeah, this is it. Yeah. This is our lifestyle.
Starting point is 00:31:57 And I remember you talking about saying that people hate the word swingers. I do too. I don't like swingers. I like the word lifestyle to me. Yeah. Like to me it's more like there's more levels. I feel like swing is just fucking. That's what it sounds like to me.
Starting point is 00:32:15 Like lifestyle for me is like there's like dating or there's polyamorous and there's like with us where we don't see ourselves as. monogamy but we don't see each other as like an open relationship we're not the couple of that do things separately we've noticed that there are couples that like to date separately but to us it's like what is the point in that like we enjoy each other already and we just want other couples to enjoy us together as well not everybody goes there some people never go there some people go there after a long time some people go there and then go right the fuck back you know some people go there and love it and they become polyamorous and they could roll but I do think that that's a
Starting point is 00:32:57 big jump and whenever I hear a couple say that they did do that, I always ask a lot of questions because I think that that's when, unless you have a really fucking solid relationship, you can have some problems. I don't know. Like, I would be a little scared to take that step, you know, but some people, but trust me, people do it and they do it welllessly and it works, but I do think it's a whole different ballgame. Right. No, I would not suggest people who've been together for like five years to do it. You know what I mean? Even five years is a long time, but I don't think it's enough to know somebody in a deep level like that
Starting point is 00:33:30 you know but then there are like you said there are couples that can do that and every listen I think what's most important is that neither one of you wants to go play solo right right yeah so that works I mean so everything went down right like full swap shit like you fucked a guy he fucked a girl you fucked a girl
Starting point is 00:33:47 he like I mean is that what happened like what exactly went down right so he was with the unicorn he went down on the unicorn and And then she, I think she did fuck him that night. Either was that night or the next night. But you were okay with that, right? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:04 I was kind of distracted, though. Like when he was fucking her, I wasn't necessary watching. You know, I was just more like, holy shit. My hands are on this guy's shoulders. And he's fucking the shit out. I mean, I don't even know his name. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:34:20 That's so funny. That's what was happening your first time while your guy was. Oh, my God. So hilarious. So, and then on top of that, I seen the guy, I seen this guy next to me. And I can see him just looking at my toes. And I'm just like, oh, you're a toe guy. So funny.
Starting point is 00:34:38 I end up fucking that guy next, uh, later on. Same night. Next, uh, like two weeks later. So like the both of you, though, how did you guys feel about seeing each other with somebody else? I mean, you did say you didn't know how you'd feel about seeing him with another girl. And what did he say about seeing you with another guy? He said it was different.
Starting point is 00:34:59 He said, honestly, it was different because he did watch me. He was just like, I'm not used to this. But he said it didn't make him mad. You know what I mean? It was just different. And that's what he would say. And I said, okay, but is it something that you would want to see again? He goes, yeah, yeah, definitely.
Starting point is 00:35:17 And then with me, I didn't really get to see everything. Like, I saw him go down on her, but I didn't see my husband actually do the act. And so to me in my back of my head, I'm like, is that, am I still okay with that? If I do see him in the act with another woman, will that affect me a little bit? And the next time we played, it was with a couple. And no, I actually pleasantly, surprisingly, did not affect me at all. And it was almost like, it was really fun. Like, we ended up, first we didn't even think we're going to do anything with them. So me and my husband, we kind of made it where our thing is we have dinner with couples the first time. And then that's kind of where we see like if there's an attraction, if there's not an attraction.
Starting point is 00:36:07 And then after the dinner that we have with them, we'll send them a message on telegram saying, this is how we feel. We liked you. Do you want to go a step further? And usually after the second, the second date is usually when we actually fuck them. and so that's what happened with our first couple. We ended up having dinner with them. It turned out really well. Like I said, we remembered them at the last event too.
Starting point is 00:36:32 So, you know, we had stuff to talk about. And then the second time or the third, the next date, that's when we did the Uno. And that's when we're kind of like, because we've kind of set it up. We're like, okay, so the next meet, we're going to fuck, right? But then when we got there, it didn't seem like they wanted to. We're just like, right? And we're like, okay, I don't know what's going on. I think there was a little jealousy with the wife a little bit.
Starting point is 00:36:57 I think she didn't feel confident or didn't feel secured. And I'm a type of person, like I always want all parties, especially the woman, to feel comfortable. Men are always horn dogs. They're always going to be comfortable. But I want to make sure the woman feels like, I'm not trying to take the spotlight. Like, I'm not trying to be here, trying to perform, outperform you. Like I want you to love my body just like I love yours. So that's where my tactic kind of goes.
Starting point is 00:37:27 So my husband is really like kind of the guy that kind of sits back. And I'm the more person that kind of steps forward. And then especially when, like I said, especially if the woman is feeling very, not 100%. I go in and make her feel she's the number one. Like I said, I know how to step back and give somebody the spotlight, especially if I'm going to get what I want. You know what I mean? Like I want I want you to feel sexy with me.
Starting point is 00:37:52 I don't want to out sexy you. So, you know, we were just, you know, I was flirting with her. So the Uno started turning into, okay, you know, no, no, we ended up doing truth or dare. That's right. So we ended up doing like these little papers. We had these papers in this little hat thing and when it was like a, no, that's what that's right. So we did truth and then there. And then we would pick out a piece of paper.
Starting point is 00:38:17 and that's what we would read it out loud, and then that's what we would do. And so a lot of it, of course, was sexual. And so we started, a lot of it was with her, you know, like slapping her ass, touching her breast, kissing her neck, just getting these little sexual. And you could tell she was getting turned on. And that's when I kind of like was like, okay, so are we going to fuck or what, you know? And they're like, yeah, we're going to fuck. So we ended up going into the room and it was like almost surreal.
Starting point is 00:38:42 Like we're being led into the room. I'm like, oh, my God, this is it. This is like my real sex. This is like my true cap confession. It's like my bunny ranch. Like, this is my time to shine kind of situation. So we go into the bedroom and my husband is with hit the wife. And then I'm with the husband.
Starting point is 00:39:00 And we just started taking each other's clothes off. And then me and her start playing with each other. And then my husband started playing with her. And then the husband started playing with me. And yeah, we just, and then we both, we all just fucked on the bed. And it was great at one point. My husband stopped and I ended up eating her out and the guy behind me was fucking me and it was just fan fucking tastic. It was great.
Starting point is 00:39:26 And I was just so surprised how cool I was with it. Even though I do have like this like, yeah, I think I'm going to be good. There's always that little insecurity like, okay, but what if? Right. And but there is none, none at all. Me and my husband really were just like, yeah, I think this is our lifestyle. I don't know. It's just really, we're really surprised how easy transition it was for us to go from vanilla to not being vanilla. Very easy.
Starting point is 00:39:56 Very easy. And I think it's because of the years we've been together, though. Like, we didn't do it until we were together for, what, 15 years? Right. So, you know, with that level, you know, of security, I know he's not going nowhere. And he knows I'm not going nowhere, you know? And it's just like we're here because we remember, we skipped the dating scene a little bit. You know, we got together really early.
Starting point is 00:40:19 So we missed the fun going on dates, getting dressed, you know. know, going out for karaoke and fucking random people. So this is so much fun to us. It's like playing catch up. So, but yeah, we've been doing this since January, and we've been having a really great time with it. And we were supposed to be going to like some Halloween events, but, you know, we're going to kind to do something in January instead.
Starting point is 00:40:45 We just want to explore around and do more and just see what other couples are out there. And like I said, we miss that dating aspect. So we're kind of like just dating other couples, but not dating if that makes sense. Like we're going out to dinner with them. We're going out in the town and then we'll fuck them and then because there are couples that are like, okay, well, we don't like to fully swap in the same room. And that's kind of where we're at right now. Like, do we want to do that?
Starting point is 00:41:12 Do we want to do the separation thing? But I love watching him with women. Like I love and I love eating pussy. Like I'm really fucking great at it. And I love, you know, and I haven't scissors yet. So I want to scissor again. That shit's fucking fun. And then also we had one couple we were going to use a strap on with.
Starting point is 00:41:37 And I haven't done that either. And so there's a lot of things I really want to do. Me and my husband even went to the store and got the strap on. Like it was just really fun. I'm like, hey, what size dick do you think I should have? We get a kick out of it too. It's just like, wow, we're really going shopping for my dad. dick.
Starting point is 00:41:54 What is your dick? What kind of dick are you going to get? Have you got one yet? Hell yeah. It's like this. It's like probably like seven inches. I didn't want it too big of a dick. You know, I want like a normal size dick.
Starting point is 00:42:08 And it actually feels like a dick too. Like it doesn't have that weird texture. You know what I mean? Like with vibrators. Uh-huh. Like it really feels like the real thing. And who do you want to, like you want to fuck a girl with it, correct? I mean, I would have mind fucking a guy too.
Starting point is 00:42:25 I mean, if they're into that. What about your husband? How does he feel about that? Right. Okay, so I'm glad that you asked. I've been trying to. I've been trying. I was like, hey, you know, because he does like, you know,
Starting point is 00:42:37 anal play, but like only with a butt plug. Like, we haven't done the whole fucking him in the back. But he even said, he's like, no, I'm not really into that. But at the same time, he is kind of curious. He says, if it's going to happen, it's going to be with you. So we're still kind of talking about, I'm trying to talk him up with it. I'm like, you know, I'll go soft. I'll be gentle.
Starting point is 00:42:59 And what does he say? And he's just like, okay, we'll talk about it. We'll see, we'll see, we'll see. We haven't really planned like the night. But yeah, I think that's coming though, for sure. And but you want to peg a guy, you would, but have you ever done a strap on with a girl? Not yet. Not yet.
Starting point is 00:43:16 That's one of my big fantasies right now is I really want to fuck a girl. I want to see how I am, like, on the other side. I've always laid on my back, but I've never actually, me, like, penetrated somebody like that. And I don't know. I think it's so sexy to me, especially with, like, a woman. I don't know. I just think it's sexy, and I just really want to try it and just see, like, you know what I mean? How hard is it?
Starting point is 00:43:36 Is it really hard? I don't know. People do say it is. Only because you can't feel the appendage. That's what people say. So it takes a little getting used to. Yeah. Are you bisexual?
Starting point is 00:43:48 I've been with women, but I've never used to. use a strap on a strap on. I don't know if I label myself. Like I haven't been with a woman a long time. But when I like I've, you know, I never used a strap on. But I mean, I would try it. I just, I've heard women say that it is very difficult, whether they're pegging their husbands or I've never pegged somebody either.
Starting point is 00:44:09 I've never used one. But they say that it's a little difficult. You have to get used to it. But, you know, it's, but once you do, it's cool. You know, I mean, you might take to it seamlessly. Who knows? Right. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:44:20 My sexual appetite, yeah, it kind of surprises me. You're going to be fine because you want it. Like you're into it. Like you want that. I mean, a lot of women say like they feel very powerful. That's what it is. I think it's a dominant thing a little bit. I think because, you know, I'm kind of getting into the BDSM thing a little bit,
Starting point is 00:44:38 but I just don't know where the house start. I don't know. My husband is not the BDSM type. So that's what also is awesome about this lifestyle. I get to figure out what my, sexual appetite is, you know, like, especially with, like I said, BDSM, using a strap on. It's just, it's, it's so exciting. Yeah, that's what people say a lot of people, like, you know, what you really find out if you do
Starting point is 00:45:06 allow yourself to play with other people. Like, maybe you could, maybe, you know, if one person can't satisfy all your needs and that's okay. Like, why not get whatever needs they can't satisfy from somebody else if you're doing it together, right? after a while we might be comfortable with maybe being in a different room. But I mean, when it comes to like going out on dates by themselves, that to me just doesn't feel like in my in my situation doesn't feel right. Like I said, because why would I want to, I want to enjoy that together. I want something we can talk about afterwards like, hey, did you see that? Hey, did you, did you witness that? Hey, did you feel that vibe? And that's what I was asking with him too. It's like, what does this mean?
Starting point is 00:45:47 Like is this, but we're just kind of like, why does it have to have a title? We're just going to figure it out while you guys are doing. Yeah, I don't think it has to mean anything. I don't think it means anything more than that than you've just found your thing. Has it changed your relationship? Like, do you feel a difference? Oh, by far. In a good way, though.
Starting point is 00:46:06 Yeah, of course, right. You know, but also, I'm also going to be really honest with you, you know, there are little weird things that, because I know, when I, when people talked on your podcast, they would, they've talked about not being jealous, but being a little jealous, right? Of course. And just to dodge any of those type of feelings, I haven't experienced it yet, but I know it will happen. And so I made myself an appointment for us to see a therapist.
Starting point is 00:46:33 Uh-huh. Just so I can kind of talk to somebody about it, too, you know, like, hey, just someone I can talk, because I can't talk to my mom. I can't talk to my family about this. And there's just some things I just kind of want to unwrap. The fact that you're going to have help because you're going to have help, you're going to have a therapist on hand that's that's fucking great. So all you're doing is like, you know, setting yourself up for success, which I think is super smart.
Starting point is 00:46:56 Exactly. And, you know, like you said, it doesn't hurt. And honestly, it has helped me a lot. I could imagine. Yeah. You know, it's hard to. Have you found someone already? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:09 Oh, as a therapist, yes. Yes. Okay, great. And you're open with that therapist. They know you have an open relationship and all that kind of stuff. Oh, yeah. I heard. Her expression was like, oh, okay, that's where we're going.
Starting point is 00:47:22 I feel like excited. I'm like, oh, now finally an interesting client. I don't know. Definitely not boring. Yeah, she was probably like, oh, my God. But I think that that's awesome. I think that that's super smart. And I think that that will only help you guys navigate because you're right.
Starting point is 00:47:38 Like it will come up at some point. And that doesn't mean that what you're doing is wrong. That just means that you're a human being. and sometimes you get emotional, right? Like I say, sometimes it's like just the way the wind blows. You could just be having a bad day. Who knows? And it doesn't matter.
Starting point is 00:47:53 But what matters is that you have stuff in place to be able to talk it out and work through it without it sort of blowing shit up, which is not going to happen with you guys because you guys just sound like thick as these. You're super smart in the way that you've handled everything, especially that you just went and got a therapist. It wasn't even like things were going. It sounds like things are going great with you guys. Oh, definitely.
Starting point is 00:48:14 You just got the therapist to make sure it goes great. which I think really just says something about who you are. And I think that that is setting yourself up for success in the future as opposed to, you know, you calling me a year from now that shit blew up. Right. Fuck, fuck. We're divorced.
Starting point is 00:48:29 I'm just kidding. I'm not going to happen. You know, it's not going to happen. But maybe I'll be playing solo. Maybe that will be the thing. But do you want to send me in picks for my Patreon? If you listen to my show, you know people send me in picks for my Patreon.
Starting point is 00:48:40 Are you down for that? Yeah, yeah, definitely. No faces. But definitely sexy cards. No. I always say like, no dicks in the pick, no pussy shots. Like I don't do X-rated picks for me set you, but I do R-rated. Like people, women always send me like sexy picks of them in lingerie or stuff.
Starting point is 00:48:56 That's totally fine. And then I'll give you free access to my Discord. That's where all the X-rated stuff comes into play. Because I will tell you not to send me dirty picks, right? But you're still going to. That's what happens. People do it all the time. I tell them and then they send me like all this stuff.
Starting point is 00:49:10 And that's why I started my Discord. I'm like, where am I going to put all this stuff? So that's where that goes. But I'll give you free access to it. And then when your episode airs, you could go in there. Make sure you use the name Vanessa. I'll give you guest roll access so you could post anything you want if you want to go into it over there. I mean, that's your choice.
Starting point is 00:49:26 I'm not telling you you have to. But if you want to, you can. And I'll give you free access to that as well. There'll be a link in the email you get from me. Thank you for calling in. Just sign up there and sign up as Vanessa. Okay. And this will probably air like not this Monday, but next Monday.
Starting point is 00:49:41 For sure. Yeah, please tell me what to do. Okay. I just told you what to do. Did you fucking hear it? Yeah, hell fucking yeah. I'm doing it right now. All right, awesome.
Starting point is 00:49:52 You're the best. Thank you so much for calling in. This was a fun conversation. No, I had a good time. Yeah, let me know what you think after you listened to it. Definitely go on Discord. And thanks so much for calling and sharing your story. Hey, no problem, Kathy Kay.
Starting point is 00:50:04 Thank you. Thanks, Vanessa. Bye. Okay, I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly Anonymous Confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers is now available not only in paperback and e-book
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Starting point is 00:52:10 send it to me at Strictly Anonymous Podcast at gmail.com. That's Strictly Anonymous Podcasts at Gmail.com. And I will send you the link to Discord. So anyway, thanks so much for tuning in. This is this podcast. All right, bye. Good news. Strictly Anonymous Podcast is looking for people to call into the show.
Starting point is 00:52:44 So if you lead an interesting, naughty secret life that you want to talk about, while remaining anonymous or not anonymous, if you're out and proud, that's cool too. Send me an email, Strictly Anonymous Podcast at gmail.com. That's strictly anonymous podcast at gmail.com. Or go to my website, strictly anonymous podcast.com and click on, be on the show. If you have a short confession that you want to get off your back, call my confessions hotline. 347-4-2-3579.
Starting point is 00:53:14 That's 347-4-7-4-4-20-3579. call that number 24-7. I change all the voices on the confessions too, so you remain anonymous. The number, the website, and the email address will all be in the description. If you want to follow the show, follow me at Strict Anonymous on either Instagram or Twitter. That's at Strict Anonymous. And if you want to sign up for my Patreon, you're not only supporting my show, but you're going to get all of these episodes early and ad-free. You're going to get anonymous picks of all of my guests. Most of the girls, send me in anonymous hot picks of themselves, and some of the guys are sending me in anonymous
Starting point is 00:53:54 picks as well. You also get access to my private discord where people are getting super naughty. If you sign up for my Discord, you could post whatever you want and talk to my other listeners. To sign up for my Patreon, just go to patreon.com slash strictly anonymous podcast. That's Patreon.com slash strictly anonymous podcast. The links and everything else I spoke about are all in the description. Thanks so much for listening. Thank you.

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