Stuff You Should Know - 10 Big Cases of Revenge

Episode Date: March 27, 2012

Who doesn't love a good story about comeuppance? Whether served cold or piping hot, revenge is an ancient idea -- and history is filled with acts of vengeance. Join Josh and Chuck as they trace the concept of revenge from the bygone days of Hammurabi to the modern era. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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How are you doing? I'm great. I feel like I haven't mentioned Jerry much in a while. So, she's got a character playing. She's a character on a TV pilot. There's an actress playing her. Right. Although you thought to have that removed, right? All over the place. I was like, we need less Jerry. Less Jerry. Not true. No, it's not true. So, Revenge. I'm a big Revenge guy. Oh, you are, huh? Well, no, that sounds bad. I'm a big come up in sky. Injustice, injustice guy. Sideline routers. You know, like, you know, when people get their comeuppance and justice is served, that's a very, very satisfying experience for me. Well, friend, you would have done well to have lived in Babylon around the 1760s BC. Oh, yeah, with the gardens. I love that stuff.

Yeah, they were hanging gardens. I would have been all over it. Yeah. Gardens figured heavily, prominently, in Babylon. Sure. Especially, Chuck, I think you would have enjoyed living under King Hammurabi. Yeah, the code. He's the guy who came up with the code. We take it, you know, that whole eye for an eye thing that you would stand on the sidelines and be like, take out his eye, take out his eye. He's the other guy's eye. I'm not like that because people are going to think I'm some violent person. No, you're not. Comeuppance can come in many forms. I know exactly what you're talking about. You know, like Shawshank or Brooks Hung himself. No, comeuppance against the warden, like that's satisfying to me to see that in a movie. I don't remember what happened to the

warden. Refresh my memory. Well, he ended up, boy, should I not spoil it. I think it's fine. He ended up shooting himself as the cops descended upon him. What did he do wrong? What did he do wrong? He held Andy there for years knowing he was innocent. He had the guy shot and killed who Andy had tutored to get his GED who had information that would get his release from like when Neil Melrose plays or something like that. Or Ally McBeal. Yeah, I think it was Ally McBeal. And then he squandered money from what do you call it when you pension? Yeah, not squandered. He bet. He uh, no, he stole money essentially. Embezzled. Embezzled money from the prison, coffers. I wasn't the warden played by Burl Ives or something. I thought I remember him as like a

grandfatherly type, a very supporting nurturing fellow. No, he's played by that guy that like can't ever play anything again because of that movie. Weird. I have a list of revenge movies we can go over later. Okay. Oh yeah, there's plenty of those. Remember, there's a whole exploitation subgenre. Yeah, like I spit on your grave. That's on the list. But anyway, back to the code of Hammurabi. We take for granted these days, Chuck, the eye for an eye, but this is literally the beginning of that. Yeah. And the beginning of systemic uniform, socially sanctioned revenge. Sure. That's the justice system. It's revenge. It's like you did something and we're going to get you back for that. You're going to be punished. It's revenge.

Yeah. That's the whole basis of the justice system. Yeah. People can hymn him and haw about reform and stuff like that, but come on. It's revenge. It's punishment. It's the basis of it. That's reason. I'm not saying it should or shouldn't be like that. I'm just saying. Right. You can, you can dress it up all you want. You can do whatever you, you, you can too, but when you boil it down, I think is what we're both saying. Yeah. The whole basis of the justice system is revenge. Yeah. And the code of Hammurabi is the beginning of this. And that it's also the beginning of the eye for an eye thing. If I may, there's a couple, like the code of Hammurabi kind of deals with stuff that people were dealing with at the time.

Sure. And it goes far beyond like, if you kill somebody, you're killed. It gets kind of specific. One of my favorites is if a fire break out in the house and someone who comes to put it out, cast his eye upon the property of the owner of the house and take the property of the master of the house, he shall be thrown into that self-same fire. So a looter, essentially. You get thrown into the fire you came to help put out and then basically shook your moral obligation by stealing instead of helping fight the fire. That's my favorite. Also, there's a lot about runaway slaves, harboring runaway slaves, stealing slaves. If you find a couple of slaves and you want to bring them back to their owner, the owner owes you two shekels of silver. It deals with inheritance law.

If a son who inherits his father's land is still too young and can't take possession of his field, a third of the field will go to the mother who basically is paid to raise him, although I think she's going to do that anyway. Sure. But it's a uniform code, especially dealing with revenge, right? Yeah. I say all this to tell you that revenge is very old Chuck. It is. And that's the code. I mean, I bet took took took revenge over, you know, the caveman who wronged him. Yes. Very primitive ways. I'm sure there was always revenge. And depending on how evolved took took's brain was, if he had a dorsal stratium striatum, why did I not get that the first time? If he had a dorsal stratum, which is governs in feelings of enjoyment and satisfaction, he would have probably

liked carrying out that vengeance because that our pleasure center goes off when we carry out acts of revenge, especially when we think of it. But that's why sometimes we will go to such great lengths to carry out vengeance because it feels good. See, I'm not a vengeance carry outer because I don't really get wronged. Like I've never had any huge like wrongings against me. I would knock on wood at this point if I were you. Just did. But I like seeing it played out mainly in movies. You like standing on the sidelines and shouting for the person's eye to be taken out. Yeah. Yeah. That's me. Do you want to talk about some cases of revenge? Because I mean, there's there's it's one thing to just say, hey, you know, that's great. That guy got his comeuppance.

But there's some really legendary and very grim cases of revenge in the history of humanity. And we have covered. Well, you cover 10 in your article. Yeah, we're gonna cover what seven, eight, six, six, something like that. Oh, like we haven't done a top 10 in a while. It's been a very long while. Actually, we've never done a top 10 because we only only cover six or seven. Well, we haven't based one on the top 10 this way. Correct. I like the spam King one. Should we start there? Might as well. He's number 10. Alan Roskey was known as the spam King because he was an entrepreneur in Michigan who was one of the guys, the main dudes signing you up for all those spam emails that we all love before the dot com bubble even burst horizon had him in court

for bulk email spamming. But dude, he's got a rap sheet a mile long. I looked at his his like since this is before the spam thing. Yeah, in the 90s, he had all sorts of like fraud and felonies real estate. Yeah. Yeah. He was just kind of a hustler kind of dude. Very much. You know, it's a good way to put it. But he got his comeuppance in the way of a junk email of his own when his address was leaked online and then really leaked online. Well, the whole way it came out was there was a in I think the Detroit Free Press maybe one of the one of the local papers did a spotlight, like just kind of a soft touch spotlight on a spacious 8000 square foot home. Yeah, they paid $700 for because it was Detroit. Sorry. This one was on you, man. I was just

going to leave it destroyed alone. But go ahead. Yeah. So, uh, so this guy's showing off his this man who's been referred to as quote vermin and quote scum. Yeah. It's showing off his 8000 square foot house built on bulk email and spam. I bet he regrets that and somehow I couldn't go back and find out his address leaked like in the, in the article, it basically gave away his physical address. Right. And that was it. The trolls got him. The trolls got him and signed him up for basically everything under the sun as far as junk mail, like physical junk mail goes, which we've done. Wow. We did podcasts in junk mail. Remember that? We did. Remember where they get rid of it and that one guy was like, no, we're employed by junk mail. So, uh, the, the peak of his, uh,

junk mail receivership, he was getting hundreds of pounds and he was every day. Yeah. He was pretty upset. I mean, I saw interviews with him today where he was like, I'm being harassed and he was trying to get courts to do something and they were just like, no, come up. I wish we had a trombone. Yeah, we should spice this up a little. Jerry, a trombone, please. Thank you. All right. Did we cover him? Uh, well, you, I, he's in jail now. Yeah. He's inmate one nine five oh nine dash oh three. Wow. You did your research because that was not in the article. We could send him a letter to Morgantown federal correctional institution. Yeah. He, he was an insider trading or he created a pump and nub scheme, some sort of penny stock

manipulation scheme is what I wrote. Yeah. And he's still in jail. Well, it was 2009. He got a 51 month sentence. Yeah. But you know, sometimes that doesn't mean much. Like it's served time served. You're free. Yeah. You know, but yeah, he, yeah, he's still there though. He definitely made some cash doing bulk email. It was clever at the time. It was just annoying. Yeah, sure. But hey, we all got Viagra out of it. So we did. I didn't get mine. 47 Ronan. Okay. Yeah. So my nephew's middle name is Ronan. I'm still not convinced that my sister and her husband know what a Ronan is. I have a friend who named his kid Ronan. Does he know what Ronan is? I'll have to ask him. He's a fan of the show. Well,

let's, what's his name? I don't think he spells it this way though. I think he spells it with an A. What's his name? Braxton. Braxton. Do you know what a Ronan is? Answer us. Want me to text him? I don't, yeah, I don't think he spells it the same way. Well, let's tell everybody. A Ronan is a masterless samurai. Yeah. At this point, I feel like possibly, if you really want to do some digging, press pause on this one or just mark down your time code. Yeah. Go back and listen to our How Samurai Work podcast. That was a great one. Excellent episode. Yeah. And it will help you along with the rest of this. But if you don't feel like doing that, go back and listen to it

anyway later on. But we'll give you the crib sheet. Basically, a samurai is pledged to the death to a single master, a dameo. Yeah. Right. And the debt, that involves the samurai protecting the dameo with his life. That involves the samurai carrying out vengeance. If the dameo is wronged or murdered or anything like that. And this is a lifetime contract. This is a lifetime affiliation. Remember, they were the opposite of Ninja. Yeah. Which is also a really good episode too. They were just the hired guns, right? Yes. If I remember correctly. The ninja were. The samurai were very loyal. Yes. Military advisors, just cool guys. They had huge hammer pants too. In this particular case of the 47 Ronan during the Edo period, which was the early beginning of the 18th century in

Japan, a man named Asano Naginori had some Ronan assigned to him or that he had taken on. 47 of them. And Naginori was headed to Kyoto to hang out, which was the capital at the time. And he saw a man he didn't like. And still to this day, no one's quite sure. I was going to ask you that. No one knows. Okay. No one has any idea what the problem is. But these guys have beef, basically as biggie Smalls would have put it. They threw down it. Well, yeah, Naginori pulled his sword out and slashed at the man. Didn't cause any harm or whatever. But this is Kyoto, the seat of power in Japan. Yeah. And he's just taken a swipe at some guy in front of everybody. Yeah. Important. And in Japan, this is a really big deal. Well, yeah, so much so that they

decided that he should commit seppuku, which we have covered before as well. Was that a separate one? No. What was that in? Was that in samurai? Yeah. I think we really went into graphic detail. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We talked about the steps of seppuku. Yeah. Very specific. Right. So again, go listen to that episode. Yeah. And he did commit seppuku. Yeah. That day. Here's what I don't quite get. Why didn't the guy Yoshinaka, who he attacked, why didn't his Ronan come after? Well, he was dead. Why didn't his Ronan come after? He wasn't dead. No, no, no. Naginori is now dead. Right. So why did his people feel the need to take revenge when he's the one that

started it? That is an excellent question. And that's what led to the deaths of these 47 Ronan. Okay. So let's talk about the story and then we'll go into that, right? Okay. These Ronan basically hung out and waited two full years. You know what they say. What? Revenge is a meal best served cold. Very nice. One of my favorite things. Is it really? One of my favorites? Oh, yeah. I just think it's witty. You think a lot about revenge, don't you? No, I just like that saying. It's a good one. You know, it's true. Like two years later, they don't know what's coming. Yeah. And those Japanese winters get pretty cold. So it had two winters had passed. By the time the 47 Ronan decided to go pay a visit to the other guy and they went and Yoshinaka was the other guy.

They went to his house, staged an attack on his compound. Yeah. Found him in an outhouse and said, hey, we will give you the chance to commit seppuku. Here's the same dagger that our master killed himself with. Right there on the toilet. And the guy just sat there and stared at him and they gave him a beat and then said, okay, and they cut his head off. Yeah. And they took his head in a bucket and took it to their master's grave. Yeah. Well, they cleaned it up. Did they? Yeah, apparently they washed it for some reason, I guess. Well, they're very tidy. Sure. They're very tidy people the Japanese are. And they took it to their master's grave and showed him the head and said, here you go. And then they took it to the Bakufu, the ruling council, and said,

we're turning ourselves in and the Bakufu honorable thing. Yes. Maybe there's a lot of discrepancy about what's what was the right thing to do or what wasn't even at the time and still today. Right. But the Bakufu said, okay, go kill yourselves. You have to. We're down to 46 here. One supposedly was killed in the attack, whatever. But 46 Ronin committed suicide themselves. A lot of people died because this guy slashed at the other guy. Now, there's many schools of thought in this act of revenge. Yeah. The Ronin should have immediately gone to Yoshinaka's house and killed them. That may have gotten them out of the sentence to commit seppuku. What if they hadn't waited? Yeah. If they had been like, oh, well, let's carry out this vengeance right now. Oh, got you.

Another school of thought is that they shouldn't have done anything that the Bakufu had made a decision that their master had to kill himself and they had to abide by it. Sure. The samurai didn't see it that way. Well, that was their code, though. It's not exactly the law of the land. No, it's true. And that I think that connection between master and samurai supersedes anything that the Bakufu came up with. But the last one, the hardest one for me to follow, but it's possibly correct, is that the 47 Ronin or the 46 should have, after they took Yoshinaka's head, committed seppuku themselves right there. And that it was a grave act of cowardice to turn themselves in because it showed that they possibly hoped for a slap on the wrist.

Interesting. Yeah. Or at the very least, the cutting off of their wrists. Yeah. Wow. Well, and there is a style is what that is. You point out the 47th Ronin, Terasaka Kichiman. There are reports that he was young and pardoned because of his age. Yeah. And that he lived to be 87. Yeah. Or he died in the attack. Yeah. And I think there were more than 47, but there were 47 that assembled two years later and carried out revenge. Right. I believe. And there have been countless stories and movies and stuff about the 47 Ronin. Yeah. Including the movie, the 47 Ronin. There you go. All right. That was some big revenge, man. That was a roller coaster ride.

Should we cover the Huguenots, the massacre? That one's pretty grim. I will go over it real quick. I like the last line of it, did you? I went back and re-read it. I was like, that was it. Yeah. We'll nugget there at the end. We'll save it. The war on drugs impacts everyone, whether or not you take drugs. America's public enemy number one is drug abuse. This podcast is going to show you the truth behind the war on drugs. They told me that I would be charged for conspiracy to distribute a 2,200 pounds of marijuana. Yeah. And they can do that without any drugs on the table. Without any drugs. Of course, yes, they can do that. And I'm the prime example of that.

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lost, as in 50% of the real estate in France allegedly was owned by the clergy of the Catholic Church. So they had a lot at stake. So when the Protestants came a calling, they were like, I don't know about you guys. Maybe we should kill you. Yeah. There was a big, big problem between, there's a big rift between the Catholics and the Protestants. And it was largely over land power. Sure. You know, because if it's all controlled by the Catholics, that's hunky door for the Catholics. But then now if you have to divide everything in half, it's not a, it's kind of a problem. So by 1572, in August in Paris, there was a hot one. And there is a huge wedding between a French Protestant aristocrat.

Right? No, a French Huguenot aristocrat. Yeah. And a French noble woman. Yeah. Okay. A French Huguenot. Right. Yeah. And they were not, this was not a marriage that was endorsed by the papacy at all. No, it was already really controversial. It was a huge, huge affair on the social calendar. And so Paris was swarming with both Huguenots and Catholics that were there at this wedding, possibly the most awkward wedding of all time, like sworn enemies in the same church. Right? Yeah. The marriage goes off without a hitch as far as I know. And almost immediately after it, Charles the ninth, who is the king of France, a devout Catholic said, why don't we just take this opportunity to kill the military leader of the Huguenots since he's here in town?

Yeah. And they did. And let's not stop there. No. Let's just keep killing people. And over the course of a week or so, I saw all kinds of numbers. Sure. Well, they didn't keep very good records in the 1570s. No, but legend has it that the rivers in Paris were so full of dead bodies that they could not eat fish for months. Yeah. Because of disease of dead bodies. Thousands, tens of thousands of French Protestants murdered women and children. 100,000. It started with the one guy then that moved throughout Paris. Any Huguenot families killed. And then it spilled over into the countryside where basically the French king, Charles the ninth, carried out genocide against the Huguenots in France. So that was a big deal. Yeah. Sure was. All right. Moving on. We're skipping

over. I want to say Dave Carroll as per Chuck's request. Yes. But you can read that in the article. We're skipping Aaron Burr because you can hear about him or you may have just heard about him in our dueling podcast. Yeah. Good one. And let's go to Dr. Holly Krippen. Oh, we're doing him? Now you want to skip him? No, no, that's fine. You take him though. Okay. I thought we agreed not to do him. Okay. Dr. Holly Harvey Krippen was a homeopathic doctor in London, had a concert singer wife named Cora. And I guess... He was a pipsqueak. Did you see his... No, was he tiny? He was mad because he's small and apparently he didn't like his wife's voice because he took up with another lady. She found out about it and said, you know what, jerk? I'm

out of here. I'm the one that has the money. I'm taking it with me. And after that, she went missing. Of course, he says, hey, I'm going to take my mistress. I'm going to move to... Well, I'm sorry. He sold her jewelry first. He told everybody that she was on a concert tour in Los Angeles and died there and was buried in the US. It's pretty easy to figure out. Say goodbye, Cora. So he set sail for the US with his new mistress, his new... I don't know if they were married, probably not his new wife. And the friends of the wife started saying, and friends of Cora started saying, wait a minute, this is pretty shady. Somebody should look into this dude because we think he has blood on his hands. He was arrested when a body turned up in his cellar and hanged.

However, in 2007, many, many years later, because it was 1910, they found forensic evidence that found out that not only was that not his wife's body in the basement. Who he was convicted of in hand for. Yeah. But based on that evidence. Perhaps a man, not even a woman at all. So they think possibly Crippen may have murdered this other person and gotten caught for that because his wife went missing. And they think they murdered her as well and just disposed of her body. He did. He did, yes. He supposedly acted alone. Or, or, he didn't kill this man, but he did kill his wife and ended up getting hanged anyway as an act of vengeance beyond the

grave. Right. Yeah. For killing his wife. Or he didn't kill anybody and was hanged wrongly. Right. Which is vengeance twisted all up. Yeah. What does wrong with you? Okay. Let's see Lorraine and Bob. This is a good one because this is in our, our immediate memory. The 90s. The 90s. The crazy 90s. Grunge, flannel and dismembered penises. Flying out of car window. Yeah. That's exactly what happened. John Wayne, Bob, it was not a model husband. No. And I really want to stress this because when I, I was like, well, when I was thinking of this, Lorraine and Bob, it was the first one that came to mind. Sure. And then I did a little more research. I was like, good God, she had a really rough

life. Yeah. She was allegedly the victim of a lot of spousal abuse, physical abuse, mental abuse. She was an immigrant and her husband supposedly used that against her to manipulate her to keep control of her. Didn't speak great English at the time. Right. And there was allegedly a lot of marital rape in that marriage as well. Yeah. Including the night of, I don't know when it was, but it was 1993 when supposedly Mrs. Bobbitt said that her husband, John Wayne Bobbitt, came home drunk, assaulted her and then raped her and then passed out. Apparently this was one in a long string of these encounters. Right. And she'd had enough. So she got a knife. And while he was asleep, Chuck cut off more than half of his penis, a significant portion, more than half. And although

if you ask me five percent would be a significant portion. Five percent. That's like a zipper accident. Yeah. But just nothing needs to be going on down there. No, I agree. I'm saying in general, I mean, I'm not saying he did or didn't deserve it. I'm not weighing in on that. No, I see your point. He was a big jerk. I'm not saying people should do this, of course. No, I feel like we should stay out of this little pool right here. Yes. Because if you do do the research and you do start to kind of see where she was coming from, she was the butt of many a late night joke for years and years. She just became a punchline. But if you look into her story, it was horrific. Yeah, very sad. Anyway, about 3am, she takes this dismembered member and drives out into the

night with it. At some point, rolls down a window in the passenger side and just throws it out into the grass. And by some incredible luck, a sheriff's deputy managed to find it. Well, exactly. Yeah. Like there was a missing child or something like that. There was a multi tens of thousands of dollar search party out looking for dismembered penis in the grass and they found it. That's the craziest part to me, right? It's pretty crazy. And they reattached it. Yep. Put it on ice, reattached it. She says she didn't remember it. She said she was later on, she said she was driving with the member in one hand and a knife in the other. And she said she went to turn the wheel and realized she needed a free hand. Yeah. And that's why she tossed it. Yeah. She went to court,

she went to trial. And I can't remember what her charge was. It was one of those very clever, like old timey 18th century charges. You shall be charged with penis cutting. I think that was the charge. Okay. She was found not guilty for reasons of temporary insanity. She snapped after years of abuse and they said, you're fine. He was acquitted for assault charges on her. But he went on to be convicted later on for more domestic abuse on another wife. In 2003. In 2003. And so they divorced in 1995. Here's the crazy thing. In 1994, he was in a pornographic film called Uncut. Yeah. He was in More Than One. And oh, was he? I just knew about the one. Yeah. He was in one called Frank and Penis. Oh, okay. I thought Uncut was

the one. I thought Frank and Penis was the name of Frank and something. I thought I remember that. Well, there's one called Uncut that came out in 1994. And Vince Neil and Lemmy are in it. Lemmy plays a bum and Vince Neil plays himself. Yeah. He was also in a band called The Severed Parts. No. Yeah. So he was clearly trying to make some money off of this incident, which goes on to show even more about his character. Right. Lorraine Ababa went in a different direction and founded a women's abuse nonprofit called Lorraine as Red Wagon, which is an aid organization. Yeah. And she's a little girl now. She's, I don't know if she's remarried, but she's with the father and has a little girl. And she was actually, or brought to court for attacking her mother after

this too. Oh, is that right? Yeah. And she was let go for that as well. I didn't run into that one. Man. Nothing's ever black and white, is it? No. It's all gray, Josh. It's all gray. The next one's fairly close to black and white as far as revenge goes, Chuck. Yeah. This one is pretty good come up in. Let's hear it, buddy. Anthony Stockleman in 2006 was put in prison for molesting and murdering a 10 year old girl named Katie Coleman. Horrific, horrific incident. His comeuppance came right away in the case of you're going to jail for life. And it wasn't like there was a lot of, did he, didn't he do it? Yeah, sure. Apparently it was a slam dunk case. There were red carpet fibers that matched the carpet in his mom's house found at the scene. Yeah. His DNA

was on the body and on a cigarette butt at the scene. And an eyewitness saw Katie Coleman riding an Anthony Stockleman's pickup truck that day. Yeah. So he copped a deal to avoid the death penalty. And went to prison for the rest of his life. Went to prison. And unfortunately, he went to prison with Jared Harris, who was a burglary inmate, serving time for burglary, and also Katie Coleman's cousin. Yeah. And because they had a different last name, Indiana Board of Corrections, missed that this was Katie Coleman's cousin. Yeah. Because they would have, do they look to avoid scenarios like that? Sure. Okay. I don't know the rules. I would think there'd be protocol for that kind of thing. Yeah, I would think so. After a couple of months, Stockleman shows up one day for

breakfast with a fresh tattoo carved into his head that says, Katie's revenge. Yeah. In very, very big prominent block letters, like his entire forehead is covered in this amateur tattoo. Did you see it? Yeah. I think one of the guards ended up posting that and was in gotten trouble. Yeah. Posted the photo. So the Board of Corrections looked into it, said, oh, we can't implicate the cousin. So who knows who did it? And that was that. Yeah. Well, no, he actually served extra time for assault. Oh, they got him when I wrote this. They still hadn't, they were like, we can't, we can't find any evidence that it was him. They got him. I'm sure he was like fine. Yeah. Tack it on. Yeah. He was going to kill him. He, you know, did one of those deals where the dude

looks up and all of a sudden this guy's in a cell with the door closed behind him and put his hands on his throat and said, I'm either going to stick you or I'm going to tattoo your forehead. And he was like, tattoo. I don't know if he actually gave him the choice, but he, yeah, he had a, you know, a prison tattoo gun that he ditched in the trash and I can find pictures of it online. Thanks for the follow-up stuff, man. Sure. That's awesome. Well, not awesome for Jared Harris. Not the actor, Jared Harris, by the way, son of Richard Harris, Anthony Stockleman. No, no, no. I mean, Jared Harris is the cousin. Oh, yeah. But he's not the famous actor, son of Jared or Richard Harris. Jared Lito. No. Okay. We're up to our last one. This is all we're doing. This is

number six, I think, right? Yeah. Which one of these do you want to do? What do you have? I got Dachau and what's the other one? James Anisley. Let's do Dachau. Okay. Am I saying it correctly? Sure. You say it. I'll see if I'm saying it correctly. Well, people just say Dachau. Yeah. You were sort of overdoing it a little bit. This is one that, you know, Quentin Tarantino probably got some inspiration for his movie, Glorious Bastards. And it was in Shutter Island, prominently. You know, Tarantino's doing a slave revenge movie next. No, I didn't know that. An escaped slave. And in fact, you could argue that most of his movies are revenge movies. Yeah. Like almost all of them. I don't know if Reservoir Dogs is revenge,

except, well, the Kytel executing Tim Roth. And the cop scene. Oh, yeah. With the ear. But that wasn't really revenge. No. That Kill Bill. Kill Bill's. Total revenge movie. The car when was revenge. Yeah. And Glorious Bastards was revenge. Yeah. And now the slave runaway. Pulp Fiction. Was there any revenge in there? Yeah. There was more redemption than revenge. Yeah. I mean, well, oh, revenge against the rapists. Oh, yeah. That was big time. I'm going to call in some pipe hitting. Yeah. Hey. Torches. Yeah. So there's been elements of revenge. Let's at least say that. Okay. Okay. So back to World War II. Did you know that Quentin Tarantino and Alan Ball, the writer of Six Feet Under, have an ongoing feud that Tarantino's brought the law into?

Really? Apparently Alan Ball and his husband or partner, one of the two, raised like tropical birds in their Los Angeles home. That sounds nice. And they have an aviary. And apparently it's not fully enclosed. And Quentin Tarantino, who lives next door, has to hear birds squawking all day and can't get any work done. Really? So he's like going to court to basically get the court to tell Alan Ball to tell his birds to shut up. Interesting. And they live next door to one another. Well, I know where that is then, because I used to work for a director that supposedly lived a few houses down from QT. Oh, really? Because when I went and picked him up, he was like, hey, you knew who lives right there?

Quentin Tarantino. And I guess Alan Ball on the other side. Yeah. Who do you side with? I'm a big fan of both. Oh, yeah. I love Alan Ball and Tarantino. I'm not, I don't think you should keep birds in captivity. So I'm going to go with Tarantino on this. All right. The war on drugs impacts everyone, whether or not you take drugs. America's public enemy number one is drug abuse. This podcast is going to show you the truth behind the war on drugs. They told me that I would be charged for conspiracy to distribute 2,200 pounds of marijuana. Yeah. And they can do that without any drugs on the table. Without any drugs. Of course, yes, they can do that. And I'm the prime example of that. The war on drugs is the excuse our government uses to get away with absolutely

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called the death car, the death train, which is 39 rail cars that were on a rail line that were parked basically just inside the camp walls. And they were literally overflowing with the dead and dying. Yeah, I think almost 3000 corpses spilling out of these rail cars. And that's what these guys came upon that the members of the Thunderbird Army Infantry, the 45th Thunderbird Division, found this and apparently just snapped in what's the worst Army Infantry atrocity carried out by any allied force supposedly in World War Two. And this is pretty atrocious. Well, I mean, they basically there were different reports on what went on. I tried to look at a bunch of different ones, but we do know that they at one point lined some SS up against the wall,

yeah, mowed them down with machine guns. So unarmed, by the way, and this is also duck how was the site where a lot of SS officers came to came to surrender, right? They weren't even in the camp. This is like, Oh, the Americans took this camp. I want to surrender. I'm going to go surrender right and they were executed. And apparently one report says that some of the U.S. soldiers gave some of the freed inmates guns and like shovels and things and said, Have at it, fellas. Yeah. And they exacted their own revenge. Some of the Jewish inmates, they wouldn't have fewer problems with. Yeah, of course. But apparently General George S. Patton had no problem with any of it. They they for the some of the people there, some of the Army guys, the U.S. Army

guys, I was probably said the lion's share. I had a problem with what was going on and complained filed a report. And there was a classified Army investigation that said, Yeah, this happened. And there were about 28 unarmed Germans that were executed at duck how that day. And, you know, here's all here's all the evidence patent through the stuff in the trash and said, you guys go home forget this ever happened. But one one copy was put into the National Archives. It was mislabeled. And it sat there until 1987. And no one had any clue about it until the Boston Globe did like this four or five part series on the duck how massacre in 2001. And that finally brought it to light. Well, yeah. So that's number two. Well, they weren't labeled in order of importance.

They were just 10. Right. It even says in no particular order. Yeah, because it's kind of sick to say like, this is the best or this is the worst. Exactly. In cases like this. I did go to film school reject. So which is a fun website. Because I started thinking about revenge movies. It's a common theme. And they listed this is their top 10 commando. Oh, yeah, that's a good one. Gladiator. Yeah. Friday the 13th. Yeah. Yeah. Well, those kids watched your son drown. Yeah. Oh, that's true. Ben Hur, one of the granddaddies of all revenge movies. I never saw it. Good one. I am Ben Hur. I am Ben Hur. I am Ben Hur. Like that. Straw dogs. Yeah, that one. Straw dogs is crazy. We were just talking about the other day. It was disturbing.

Kill Bill one and two. Yeah. Once upon a time in the West. I never saw that one either. It's supposed to be awesome. That's a good one. The Virgin Spring, which I have not seen. That was a Bergman picture. Okay. And the Godfather, which I didn't really see that as a revenge pick. Revenge. And they said Death Wish is the number one. Yeah. But they didn't have Old Boy on there. Oh, wow. Yeah. Ultimate revenge movie. That's as revenge as a kid. Yeah. So then I trolled some other top 10 lists and some of the other ones that made the list. Memento. Yeah. Mad Max. Carrie. Great revenge movie. And Glory's Bastards, obviously the professional, the crow, hard candy. Okay. Which you should see. I will. That's been confused with Jawbreaker, I'll bet.

You ever seen that movie? Oh, no, I didn't see that. It was good. Surprisingly. Oh, yeah. I spit on your grave. Yeah. Irreversible. That one was pretty hardcore. You me likes that movie. I haven't seen it yet. Irreversible. Yeah, she said it's really good. It's really tough to watch, but it's a good movie. It is. Well, it's a rape revenge. So those are always the best. What about Last House on the Left? That's a rape revenge. That's like the rape revenge one. That was next on my list. Or was that before or after I spit on your grave? When was I spit on your graves to have the date? No, when I have the dates. Because Last House on the Left, I think was 1972. Munich. Oh, yeah. I spit on your graves like 81. Was it? Yeah,

Munich. That's a great revenge movie. Star Trek II, Wrath of Khan. No. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Unforgiven. Pretty good one. I mean, great movie, but I wouldn't throw it in the super revenge category. Sure. And then Taken with Liam Neeson. I enjoyed that. I did too. I just can't get past Liam Neeson as an action star. You know, he has a set of very specific set of skills. Mm-hmm. And they make it unwatchable. All right. So that is revenge. And it's best served what? With Liam Neeson? Piping hot. Yeah, this was, that was like six of ten. So there's more for you to go read. That's right. HouseStuffWorks.com. I'm an article I wrote. Just type in Biggest Revenge or even probably just revenge in the search bar at HouseStuffWorks.com. And that's

gonna bring up this article. So do that. And I said search bar, which means the type of listener mail. Or is it? It's not quite yet, Chuck. We should tell everybody about Kiva Man. We did it. We did what? We met our goal in this million dollar march. Yes. One million dollars in loans over the past hundred years is gonna be three in October? Less than three. Like two and a half. And it all started with a little jab at Colbert Nation. And they're just like, we left them in the dust years ago. I know. When you watch that video, it's so quaint. We're like first one to a hundred thousand dollars. I know. I remember everybody was like, there's no way you're gonna make it to a hundred thousand

dollars. Crazy. That's a million, dude. A million dollars loaned by our Kiva team. It takes a village job. We are proud of you guys. Thank you. Yeah, seriously. And I guess let's just keep going on. Let's double down. Yeah. Thank you to Glenn and Sonia as always. Yes. For helping us set our financial goals. Yeah. And we'll have a new one coming up soon. Yeah. We're not quitting. We're not like, and we got a million. Forget it. We're done. Right. We're going to bed. Everyone pulled their money out. Right. Good party. No, don't do that. Okay. That's for December 10, 2012. Okay. All right. So back to it. All right, Josh. I'm going to call this cannibalism. It's been a while,

but it's about cannibalism. Okay. And I like to read good, smart ones. And this is one of those. Guys, I'm a biology undergrad at University of New Mexico. Go. Geez. What are they? Go fighting ass texts, let's say. I bet you're right. One of my recent projects was a computer model attempting to answer some questions regarding disease transmission through cannibalism. You close the podcast with speculation about the origin of cannibalism in humans, materialism versus idealism. Though both of these arguments are compelling, they both seem to ignore just how young the human species is. The prevalence of conspecific necrophagy. Necrophagy. Necrophagy. Let's say necrophagy. It sounds good. Yeah, man.

I bet it all worked out. It's eating the flesh of the dead. And other species provides evidence that cannibalism is significantly older than us. And the prevalence in near species like chimps suggests that it may be a trait we've had since we have been a wee. Nice. Yeah. Lobsters are big cannibals. Are they? 30 things. Spiders in the sea. The materialism versus idealism argument takes on all new facets when applied to chimps. Materialism. Materialism doesn't hold very much water as chimps are pretty well fed on fruits. And catching smaller simians is far easier and arguably adequate nutrition. Idealism begs the question of just how much chimps care about that sort of thing.

Are they expecting some gain other than nutritional value, like spiritual or even just striking fear to the hearts of enemies? Are they even capable of this? My guess, which is just a guess, is that they kill for territorial reasons and then simply don't want to waste the large quantity of delicious dude. That's what he thinks. Maybe we started that way in some cultures to sell on to the practice, applying spiritual reasoning after the fact. And that is smart. And that is from Micah. Thanks Micah. That is smart. From New Mexico. And if you, what is, it was New Mexico State? Golden Gophers. No, that's Minnesota. No. The Bearcats. It's the New Mexico State Bearcats. No. Eagles.

Oh yes. Bulldogs. No, that's our school Georgia. If you had your interest piqued by Micah's assessment of cannibalism, you might want to go listen to our cannibalism podcast. We did an episode on it a while back and it's one of our favorites. Pretty good. And let's see, what else? If you have a great revenge story, we want to hear it. Yeah, there's lots of internet revenge going on. I was going to talk about some of it, like the people who post things. Oh, anonymous and all that. Oh, I know what you mean. I don't like that. Like, oh, my boyfriend wronged me. So let me do photo shops of him and a bikini and make it a meme. I don't know. Okay. So I guess we're going to avoid then everybody because we don't want to upset Chuck

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