Stuff You Should Know - Does oil speculation increase gas prices?
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Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. Across from me is one Charles W. Chuck Bryant,
and since there's a couple of microphones in front of us, that would make this Stuff You
Should Know, the all audio podcast, all goodness, all the time. And in the other room is guest
producer Elizabeth Lizzie. Yeah. Our old buddy is back here working. Yeah. Which is nice. Giving us
pieces of drive mango. And in between she worked for Emily, and so I just, I haven't been able to
lose Lizzie. That's good. She's not when you want to lose. Lizzie's awesome. Stop picking on Lizzie,
Chuck. I'm a big fan. I started the Lizzie Fan Club here. Oh, really? Yeah. And then I dissolved
it. As you can see, I've not been invited to that. It was just me. Chuck, you remember when we were
on the call with a senior White House official yesterday? Yeah, that was kind of cool, huh?
Yeah, yeah. White House. Yeah, Obama administration. That's who's in there. Basically, we were talking
about the, well, we were basically going over the talking points for the energy security policy
that he unveiled today. Yes. As of this recording, March 31, right? That's right. 30. Oh, is tomorrow
the 31st? Yeah, that's right. March 30th. So he goes over this, or she's going over this with us.
And basically, Obama has said that over the next decade, he wants to reduce American
oil imports by a third, right? And something that every president going back to, I think,
Nixon has said that. Okay. All right. So it's an ambitious goal is what you're saying. Well,
not a third, but yeah, there's a video that John Stuart ran on the Daily Show where it
literally showed the same clip from our last five presidents saying reduced foreign dependency
on oil. They have the best researchers on that show. Yeah. So okay, well, Obama took his rightful
place following in the footsteps of Richard Nixon and has said that he wants to reduce our
imports by a third in about 10 years. And one way to do that is to figure out how to conserve oil,
how to reduce use, e.g., a smarter grid, more wind power, more nuclear, more clean
coal. Clean coal is another one, natural gas. No, clean coal. And to basically get online
our reserves that we have now. Right. So the big talking point around Washington with the
Democrats right now is that oil companies have leases on something like 79 million acres of
oil land, suspected oil land. That we're not tapping, right? That's not being used. They just
own these leases, right? And then I think like 19 million acres are actually being mined for their
oil or natural gas. And Obama's position is, hey, you fat cats, you need to go ahead and start
producing or else we're going to penalize you. Like invest in the United States. Yeah, come off
some of these profits and start spending on exploration and production. Right. And get American
oil out of the ground, which is hugely different than what he was saying he should do before.
Right. Which is like no wash or drilling, nothing like that. Right. So it's kind of a big deal that
he's really putting oil at the center of his energy security policy. But one thing we asked
that they didn't really answer very well is what role does preventing speculation in the
commodities market play in energy security? That's my question. I get the sense, and this is one of
those topics again that, you know, Chuck's little guitar playing English major brain has a hard time
rapping around this. Yeah. But I get the feeling that there's not a lot of people in the government
that want to talk a lot about oil speculation. It's sort of like, don't bring that up. No.
Which is strange because it's whole, you know, there's that whole kicking around Wall Street
during the recession thing that was going on. And that seems to have been largely abandoned.
Right. But the question of whether or not oil speculation is affecting oil prices today,
it still remains oils up to I think AAA saying a national average of 360 right now for unleaded,
for regular. That's a national average. Yeah. Yeah. That's crippling. Yeah. And I know the
recession ended. I just made air quotes. But people are hurting. Food prices are increasing. Oil
prices are increasing. Gas prices are increasing. And a $3.60 gallon of gas is crippling to the
average American. Yeah. And that's average. I mean, you go to some places like California and
in the summertime, they may be creeping up over five bucks a gallon. Yeah. So a lot of money for
a gallon of gas. Yes, it is. A barrel of oil today is trading for OPEC, by the way, is stands to make
$1 trillion in revenues in 2011. That's the course it's on right now. Yeah. It's a lot of
cash. Yeah. I can't say it. So there's this idea out there that oil trading at $1.15 a barrel
should actually be trading at something like $90 a barrel. Right. And that oil speculation
is accounting for $20 to $25 on top of the barrel price. And it counts for a lot of this
increase in the price of oil. So this is nothing new. This is going on right now in 2011. But it
just happened in 2008. Do you remember when oil hit $4 a gallon? It hit $4.11 as a national average,
which is the highest ever. Yeah. I remember when it took the first big jump.
Whenever that was, I was living in LA. And I remember it got over $2 a gallon. And it was a
big jump. It was like one weekend it was $1.85. Then the next weekend it was like $2.35.
That would have probably been like 2003 or 2004. Yeah. It was a big, it was like a 50% jump or
something like that. Don't quote me. I'm going on my feeble memory. But I remember saying at the
time, you know what? I just had a feeling, said, this is something different. Gas is never going
to be this cheap again. Never going to go back down. You know, in 1999, the average was $0.90 a
gallon. 1999, it was so 12 years ago, $0.90 a gallon. Now we're at $3.60. We've already hit
four and changed for an average. Yeah. I remember filling the little Honda up for like, you know,
$14. Yes. That was just so beautiful. And now it's like so good. $60. Yeah.
So, Chuck, from 2004 to 2008, the price of a barrel of crude oil increased from $31.61
in 2004 to $137.11 in July 2008. Crazy. Right? So gas prices grew from $193.409 over that same
period. There's a lot of things, there's so much that goes into oil production that could affect
the markets. Yeah. Instability. Right? Right now, people are taking to the streets of Yemen
and Syria and once in a while in Iran. They are overthrowing the government in Egypt.
There's a civil war going on in Libya. Libya's oil production is virtually offline right now.
Yeah. It's a little unstable. Well, it depends on who you're asking. It's
actually pretty stable. It's just socialist, which is why everybody's like, oh, that's a
dangerous country. Well, yeah, sure. If you're America, it is. Right? But that's one of the
reasons that people said geopolitics and these unstable regions that produce oil has a lot
to do with it. But Michigan Senator Carl Levin during a hearing said, you know what?
Yeah. It's unstable, but it's been unstable for decades. And we've been buying oil from them.
Yeah. So that's not the reason. That's why he claimed at least. Right. And Hugo Chavez,
remember through Sitco, that's the Venezuelan oil company that's here in the U.S. Through Sitco,
remember he used to donate like a million gallons of heating oil to people in the northeast to
keep them alive. Right. That was like basically him saying like, this is what socialism gets you,
people of Boston, what do you think of that? How warm are you? Yeah. So it's unstable in that he's
not a friend of America. We're not capable of pushing him around and we need their oil. Right.
But we have a detente because people like money. Economies like money and we want to buy their
oil. So everybody's chill out. What's more, with this recent drop in production that's
represented by Libya going into civil war, Saudi Arabia stepped up and said, you know what? That's
3% of the oil that's produced every day. Right. And we're going to add an extra 3% to make up for
this temporary shortfall. Right. So there actually isn't any kind of dent in the production or supply
side. Well, no, because you mentioned in the article, like, could it be peak oil? But no,
it's not peak oil. We'll tell them what peak oil is. Well, peak oil, do we not podcast on the
end? No, we never have. We need to do that. That's the point where, you know, there's only a finite
amount of oil. So once we cross that little threshold, it's like all of a sudden there's
getting less and less oil. Yeah. And there's, there's a whole group of people out there,
very educated, smart people are not crackpots. Although sometimes people look at them like
that, who believe we have past peak oil, it's going to take us five years or 10 years to figure it
out. But by that time, it'll be way too late. And the world's going to come to a grinding halt for
a while until we can figure out what to do. A lot of people think that we haven't hit peak oil. And
if you look at the, at least the published figures, Saudi Arabia is often accused of fudging on their
numbers. I think they were found to a while back, but most people say, no, supply still exceeds
demand, which if you look at Mr. Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations, the basis of the capitalist
economy, if supply exceeds demand, prices should remain low. And oil is not the kind of thing you
want rewriting the rules of base economics. No, because ultimately it's a commodity and a commodity
is something that we can make things out of or something we need. Wheat is a commodity. We need
that pork belly. Pork belly is a commodity. It's the most delicious commodities. And oil is a very,
very vital commodity. So if Carl Levin saying, yeah, that's unstable, but we can deal with them,
right? If Saudi Arabia is saying, yes, Libby is offline right now, right? But we're going to make
up the shortfall. If we haven't actually passed peak oil and the supply still exceeds the demand,
a lot of people are saying, why is oil so high? Why is it increasing and increasing? And there's
a correlation that's going on right now. The answer to that, obviously, for a lot of people's
minds, and I'm not taking a position on this because it is a very controversial thing to say
that is oil speculation. Yeah, there's speculation that the speculation is what's driving up the
price. Right. That's perfect, Chuck. Yeah. And one of the ways that it's being, I guess, suggested
is that from, I think, July of 2008, there were 617,000 oil futures contracts on the market,
on the oil commodities market. Can we explain what a future is? We'll go back.
I just wanted to give this one last stat out and we'll go back to the beginning.
And then January of 2011, so July of 2008, 617,000. January of 2011,
1 million futures contracts on the oil market. Yeah, that's right. And between those two times,
after the last bubble burst, it's been creeping up and up and up. Prices have basically commensurate
with oil futures contracts. Right. So it really looks a lot like it could be oil speculation
that's driving up the price. Yes. So let's talk about oil speculation. Yes. And my mind starts
to melt starting now. Okay. All right, Josh, the future, and you're going to have to help me with
this, but any kind of future is a contract between a buyer and a seller. A buyer agrees to purchase
fixed amount of a commodity at a fixed price. In oil future, we're talking about oil, obviously.
So it's different than actually buying into a commodity because you're just betting on whether
or not it will be higher or lower at the end of your contract. Right. Is that correct?
A future is a derivative. And a derivative is any kind of financial contract or instrument
that's the value of which is based on the value of something else. You know what it is? To me,
to my little brain that doesn't think about this stuff well is it's a made up way to make money
almost. That's exactly right. It's like someone created this and said, hey, this doesn't even exist.
Right. But as long as there's someone buying and selling it, it does exist.
Because so a futures contract is very standard. It's not an exotic financial instrument. Right.
But the way that it's being used in the derivatives market is extremely exotic and volatile.
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and I have a refinery over here. Sweet. In my backyard. Why are we podcasting?
And I'm saving up for a better life for us. So I want to buy some oil from you. All right.
But I think that oil, the price of crude is going to go up a year from now. Per barrel.
Right. So I'm going to go ahead and buy it for the market price now. Right. And you're going to
sell me a futures contract. So we have an agreement that a year from now at the end of March 2012,
that contract expires because I have to buy that oil from you. Yeah. Okay. But not now,
a year from now. Right. Now, if I'm right and oil goes up, say I'm buying 100 barrels at 50
bucks a barrel. That's our future contract. So our contracts are five grand. Right. If it goes up,
if the price of oil goes up to $52 a barrel a year from now, I just got 50 barrels of oil
for 200 bucks less than I should have paid. It's a good deal for you. It is. But a futures contract
is also, well, it's a bet. Right. Yeah. Because the price of oil could go down. Right. I said
in 2012, at the end of March 2012, I'll buy those 50 barrels of oil from you for 50 bucks.
But if the value of oil in March 2012 is 48 bucks a barrel, then I'm paying 200 more than I could
have if I just bought on what's called the spot market, which is I go to you, I want your oil
right now and you sell it to me for whatever the market price is. Right. And if this sounds weird,
it's not so different than it betting on whether or not a stock will go up or down. It's the same
thing. It is. But in a lot of ways, it's just kind of, it's saying, it can also, it also comes into
play if I don't need oil right now. Right. But I'm going to need it in the future and I think
it's going to go up. Right. Right. Now, when the real bet comes in, when I'm saying that I think
it's going to go up, I'm going to go long. It's called going long. Yeah. And at the end of this
contract, you're actually going to get oil, correct? If you're holding the contract and that I have
with you, then yes, I have to buy oil from you. Right. That is a future. Give me my money. I'll
give you your oil. Right. But that's an important thing to distinguish because that is a future and
that means actually oil is being traded at some point. Right. And that's a normal thing. Right.
Okay. Now, that's going long. If I'm betting that oil prices are going to go up. If I think oil
prices are going to fall, I'll go short. Yes. Right. So it's virtually the same thing. We go
into a contract. Right. So Chuck, let's say conversely, you think that oil is going to go
down. So you're happy to sell me a futures contract. Yeah. Right. The price of oil goes down.
Right. Yeah. We say for five grand, the price of oil goes down to 48 bucks a barrel. Right.
And you buy that contract back for me at the market price. You just made 200 bucks. Sweet.
Yeah. Okay. So there's going short and there's going long. But as you said, in a standard
commodities market that there's not a secondary derivatives market going on, then ultimately
there's going to be an exchange of oil. Yes. The secondary derivatives market,
you never get caught with the contract when it expires. You're trading contracts day by day,
moment by moment as the price of oil changes up and down throughout the day. You're making money
off of those fluctuations by buying and selling, by shorting and longing the price of oil on these
contracts. And that is speculation. That leads to what's called an artificial market. Right.
Supply and demand no longer applies to the commodity itself. Supply and demand
is also subject to the financial instruments as well. Yeah. The whims of who has a lot of
money and can affect the market with a big purchase. Right. So that's called an unstable
market because it's very volatile. It's not nearly as steady as a real tangible market.
No. I mean, if you look at just a regular commodities market where there aren't any
futures or derivatives trading by anybody besides the people who actually will end up with this
stuff, there's the changes, the fluctuations over a month or a year or a quarter are pennies
or a buck or two here. It's when investment banks and hedge funds who, by the way, when
interest rates are very, very low, tend to turn to the commodities market to safely park their
money because they're not going to make much money when interest rates are low. They turn to
the commodities market. When they get involved, that's when things start going from $30 a barrel
in 2004 to $140 a barrel in 2008. Right. And that's what happened with the housing bust.
All of a sudden, Wall Street, housing wasn't a good place to put any money. So Wall Street
flocked over to speculation futures, oil futures. Right. And we should say again that this is all
very much debatable. Yes. If you believe that oil speculation is affecting oil, this is how it
happens. We're just explaining that. That's what we do. Well, what we just explained was how
derivatives trading works. This is no secret. It's the effect that it has. That's what's debatable.
So the people who believe that there is consequences for oil for derivatives trading say that here's
what happens. If you want to get your hands on actual oil, you aren't going to be able to keep
up with an investment bank or a hedge fund manager who is buying up futures. Right. So you're going
to need oil now and you're going to have to stockpile. It's one good thing about oil is you
can stockpile it for a while, right? Well, and oil producers can hoard it. That's exactly right as
well. But you can also, the derivatives market in futures can also inadvertently force a hoard
among people who actually use the oil, who are buying oil for use, not just trading in the
derivatives market by saying, okay, I can't buy futures because they're just too expensive right
now. So I'm going to buy whatever I can get my hands on. So the spot market that deals in actual
oil right that moment has a higher demand, which means the actual price of oil goes up,
which means those oil futures go up even further, which means prices across the board rise, especially
for gasoline. That's right. And when big companies like Goldman Sachs and Citigroup are these huge
financial institutions are buying up tons and tons of speculating, then that's going to have a really
big sway on the market. That alone will, right? They stand to gain tons of cash. Tons of cash.
But imagine if you not only stood to gain tons of cash from the secondary market,
but you're an oil producer as well. Yeah. And all of a sudden you're speculating on your own
production or buying oil futures. If you buy a bunch of oil futures for a higher price,
you can actually, the market trades on rumor, right? So people are like, well,
somebody's buying up a bunch of this stuff and the price is actually rising, right? So that a lot
of people are going to be willing to pay more and more and more. If you're an oil producer doing
that, then you're going to stand to gain through the financial instruments and through the actual
sale of your oil. And there was an investigation into this, the secondary oil markets that found
that in the New York Mercantile Exchange alone, which is the commodities market or one of them
for the US, 11% of the oil futures contracts were owned by Vital, which is a Swiss oil producer.
Yeah. So how Chuck, how can an oil company be allowed to artificially inflate the price of oil
for its own gains? And how can investment banks be allowed to drive up the price if that is in
fact what's going on? How can they be allowed to drive up the price of a commodity as valuable as
oil if normally it should be something like 30 or 40 or $50 a barrel and it's double or triple or
quadruple what experts believe its actual value should be? Well, it shouldn't be able to happen
because they're starting in 1974 with our Congress that was something put in place called
the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, the CFTC, and they were put in place specifically
to prevent this kind of thing from speculation artificially inflating prices of commodities.
So they were like, they've realized a long time ago this could be a real problem. Let's put this
thing in place and let's make them keep it in check. So if you were trading on that exchange,
you got to file reports every day. The commission looks them over, keeps an eye out for speculation.
They know if somebody's trying to corner the market. They know who.
And they try to stop it. Yeah. But quite a few things have happened to
neuter, for the most part, the CFTC. Yeah, because you can create a federal agency and empower it
all you want. But if successive presidents disagree with you about the value of that agency,
they can neglect it. They can strip it of its powers. They can, as you say, neuter it
and not even have the courtesy to put newticals on it afterward. Just leave it laying there.
So in 2000, a very big thing happened. Prices were still pretty low for oil, less than 30
bucks a barrel. But a little company called Enron started lobbying Congress to remove
regulatory powers of the CFTC. And basically what the deal was, the CFTC had regulatory powers over
the official exchange. Right. So Enron says, hey, New York mercantile exchange. Yeah. And
CFTC, I'm sorry, Enron said, hey, we've got this software that allows futures to be traded over
the counter, which is something outside of the formal exchange market. Right. It's basically like,
I can say, hey, Chuck, you've got a bunch of futures in your pocket. Can I come
to your house and buy it? Yeah. And it'll be a legitimate exchange, but it's over the counter.
It exists outside of the market. That's right. And that became known as the Enron loophole,
because all of a sudden, OTC trading was allowed for futures exchanges with no government oversight,
because it was out of the jurisdiction of the CFTC. So Josh, that was one thing
happened in 2000. Then another little thing came along called the Intercontinental Exchange. The
ICE was set up in London, and that was to trade European oil futures. And the funny thing about
that is it was headquartered here in Atlanta. So it's headquartered in Atlanta, but it's European
oil futures. So the CFTC didn't have any oversight over them because it was European.
Right. So you could trade American oil futures on this exchange.
Well, six years later, that's when they set up the American terminals to allow that.
Think about it. Like the time in London and the time in New York are totally different,
and that's kind of a problem. So really, if you can get these commodities,
the same commodities trading on the same time zone, you have a more robust market.
That's right. And now, all of a sudden, the CFTC couldn't even regulate these formal exchanges
on the formal market, even though it was based in Atlanta. They set up trading posts,
trading posts, terminals inside the United States. In New York.
It's almost like the OTB. Like, oh, horse racing is illegal, but this race is in Cuba,
but you can bet on it on the Lower East Side. Yes. And so as these things just kept going and going,
the CFTC just lost any jurisdiction whatsoever. And there are crafty people that are coming
up with these things. They're basically saying like, let's set up a way where we can make gobs
of money outside of regulation. And I mean outside of regulation. People have no ideas.
I was reading some blog posts, and it was about how the aluminum market was being cornered by
somebody, and they thought it was some hedge fund manager, and they had an idea of who,
but not enough to publish. But they have no idea who's buying what. It all exists in the
shadows of derivatives market due because it's outside of the jurisdiction of this
federal agency that was created specifically to police these things. You know, I'm never
going to be wealthy. What? Because I'm one of those dumb schlubs who's just like, let me go out
and earn my paycheck. And I'm not like against the stock market. Like I'll invest in the stock
market and set up my 401k and all that, but I'm not, I can't even fathom the kind of what causes
someone to think of like, hey, how can I really make tons of money with no oversight? And I'll
invent this way to trade ether and not real ether. People would buy ether from me, especially drug
dealers. Patrick Bateman would have eaten you alive. Oh man, I'd be so dead. So there was a
July 2008 report by the International Energy Agency that concluded that speculation didn't
really have anything to do with it. They're like, no, no, no, that's not what's driving oil prices
up. There's another report the next September contradicted the IEA report. It said, no, there's
actually a lot of correlations between this big influx of money and oil futures and the rising
cost of oil. I mean, I'm a dummy. To me, it kind of looks plain that that's probably what's been
happening, but there's probably a lot of people are going to write and say, oh, what you guys
didn't consider was XYZ. No, there's a lot of factors that go into producing and buying and
selling oil. And there's no way you can cover all of them. And that's not the point. And I don't
think that's anybody who's accusing the speculation of influencing the price. That's not the point
of anybody because there's nobody who's going to say this is 100% of the problem. There's other
stuff that does have this effect. I think what gets people to say speculation is having an effect
is because there's people out there who's like, it has no effect. And it's just not possible
that a million futures contracts can't have some effect on the end price. And it is just
correlated. It's not causal. But it shot up so quickly. Exactly. Right along with it. It was,
I don't know. And I mean, ultimately, what it comes down to is the average American who's still,
you know, maybe unemployed, paying tons of money for food is getting reamed at the pumps,
though. And if there's anything that could be done to reduce that without causing harm
to the markets, why not? But hey, good news, Josh. In 2008, Congress introduced the consumer first.
Hey, how about that? Consumers first. Right. The Energy Act in May 2008. Yeah. And that would
have extended oversight for the CFTC to foreign lands. Yeah. Probably would have helped a lot.
And it died on the Senate floor. A month later. A month later. Yeah. They said, consumer first.
Let's kill it. They're talking about it now. Like this whole Obama push is basically making
the oil companies out to be bad guys. So the Democrats are really taking, they're banging
the war drum against oil companies right now. And then investment bankers are a fun target,
too. So this is coming up again. Right. But it's coming up like it did in 2008 because
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anti-capitalism but that's not true at all. It was just play fair. Just play fair. Or at the very
least admit that you're having the effect that you're having. That's what I think would gall
anybody who is like, yes oil speculation has an effect. And it's not just oil by the way. If you
want to read a really cool article on speculation, commodity speculation, read Frederick Kaufman's
The Food Bubble. He tries very hard but fails ultimately in the end to connect
Goldman Sachs trading wheat and creating a wheat bubble that created the food crisis in the riots
in Haiti in Egypt in 2008. He came so close but he wasn't able to. But it's worth a read anyway.
It was in Harper's Lake last year. Interesting. So that is oil speculation. It's us speculating
on oil speculation. We're speculating as little as we can. If you want to learn more about that,
type in oil in the handysearchbar at HowStuffWorks.com. We have a bunch of cool stuff on the side about
that. And I said oil followed by handysearchbar, which means listener mail. Josh, I'm going to call
this sperm donation. Dear Josh Chuck and Jerry, but I'm going to say Lizzie today. Yeah, because Jerry
has left us. Say it again. Dear Josh Chuck and Lizzie. Yeah. My name is Melanie. I'm a college
student from Seattle attending full-time school in South Korea. I was listening to how twins work
and it made me think of my own unique family situation. My mom and legal father, her husband,
could not have a child together, so they decided to get a sperm donor. The laws are looser now,
but 20 years ago information was more closed off and secretive. I grew up not knowing really
anything about my real dad until just about a month ago. In late February, the day before I was to
depart back to South Korea, I got a letter in the mail from my real father. He lives in Athens,
Georgia. Pretty cool. Yeah. We had been communicating through Facebook and email and I've discovered
that we have quite a bit in common despite never knowing each other. Of course you do. Jeans, baby.
It's all the jeans. I wonder if it turned out to be Biker Lee.
We have very similar handwriting, religious spiritual beliefs, paranormal experiences.
It sounds like Biker Lee. TV show taste. He is a nurse and that was the first job I ever wanted,
so it's not Biker Lee. No, it's not. And he was a journalist and my main talent and a large
interest of mine is writing. On top of all this, five years ago or so, my mom received a letter
from a lady who had registered the same donor number. So in short, I also have a half brother.
That's cool. That's very cool. We were able to meet once actually in my senior year and also
discovered we had several things in common. My boyfriend was a part Japanese guy named Max.
And as was his best friend, a part Japanese guy named Max.
Wow. Same political views, both played guitar, same favorite band,
half brother, half sister, reunited. Does she say the same favorite band?
She doesn't mention what the band is. Okay. But she said this leads me to my request that we do
an episode on sperm and egg donation and how relationships can develop. So let's add that
to the kitty. Okay. To the cue. Yeah, let's do that. That's Melanie A. Thanks a lot, Melanie.
Glad you got to come down to Athens for a little while, right? No, she did not come
down. She just was in contact. You definitely have to go to Athens. While you're there, make sure
you eat at Harry Bassett's. I strongly recommend the Chicken Rochambeau. Okay. They do not kick
you in the crotch when you order it. I promise this isn't like a prank. No, no. If you
were produced outside of the traditional means of reproduction, we want to hear about it. Yeah,
a good one. Wrap it up, send it in an email to stuffpodcast at howstuffworks.com.
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The war on drugs is the excuse our government uses to get away with absolutely insane stuff.
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