Stuff You Should Know - How Citizen's Arrests Work

Episode Date: July 22, 2015

In some states, it is not only your right but your duty to arrest someone you see committing a crime. Learn all about why you should basically never do that in this episode. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Ancine Is it ancine or ancine? How many times are you going to say that? Yeah, so that was my rendition of how a citizen's arrest could go We've been asked to do this for a while Yeah, we finally did Yeah We're doing it now

Did you know that on June 9th a man in Australia died while being citizens arrested? No He was being detained by like five or six guys and held down for eight minutes and zip died and he died You know, I feel like we talked about once when some people sat on a guy to detain him Yeah, we did In London or something and he died It happens It does happen

Oh, I totally remember that, yeah, it was a guy's busted in on a diamond shop Right One got away, one got sat on until he died Yes That was scary even though people were going to get off of him, he's dying Right So that reveals one of the many, many, many things that can go wrong during a citizen's arrest Which is why we want to say at the top of this and probably well many times

You should not perform citizen's arrest Even though it is conceivably your right if you're here in America to do so And all over the world You not necessarily No, I mean almost every single country has a citizen's arrest law Even ones that are not touched by the long arm of the British Empire All over the place I got the impression that it was basically an English common law concept

Maybe it's been co-opted then because I saw like Turkey, Hong Kong, all over the world Okay Wherever you are Yeah You probably should not try to perform a citizen's arrest There's all sorts of other stuff you can do Especially in the day of like a smartphone Call the cops

Call the cops Take video, picture Yeah The one time when a lot of citizens arrest laws do say you probably should do something Is when you see somebody being hurt, injured or their life is in danger Yeah For the most part though, especially if no one is being hurt You should not perform a citizen's arrest

That's your advice to the general public Yes Do you not agree? I don't know Depends, I think it's situational Okay Depends on who they are, who you are and what's going down Well the problem is a lot of people say citizens arrest

You do that for like if somebody won't turn down their stereo at night Stuff like that easily turns into like a fight Yeah, that's not a citizen's arrest You should just have a little dummy fine book And if it makes you feel better to write somebody a citation, do it And as a result a lot of states I think recognize the fact that if you just say yeah You can do a citizen's arrest for anything It will start out as somebody trying to arrest you for playing your stereo too loud too late

Yeah And then turn into a fight and somebody dies that kind of thing So a lot of states say it has to be a felony And there's all sorts of other stipulations and details But the whole thing like I said Chuck is rooted at least in the United States In English common law, specifically the Posse Comitatis Yeah dating back to medieval England it was a time when they needed that And the sheriff of the land counted on citizens because they didn't have a police force of hundreds of dudes

Right And they needed citizens to help them out basically Yeah and Posse Comitatis is Latin for force of the county or force of the community And it basically in English common law was the ability of the sheriff to say You 15 year old boy and up you're able bodied I need help arresting this guy You are obligated to help me To sit on him To sit on him

Yeah But get off him when I tell you to Yeah and in the United States it was I think in 1898 which is not that long ago I mean just the turn of the 1900s Philadelphia big city only had 15 detectives So they counted on people to help out and the infamous mass murderer H.H. Holmes Was tracked and caught by a private citizen Oh is that right Yeah he was a private detective but he was not a cop

Okay Because I was trying to find like famous have there ever been any like noteworthy citizens arrest That's pretty noteworthy That was the only one I could find H.H. Holmes America's first serial killer was brought down by a citizen's arrest Yeah it was tough to get good information on this though because as you'll see Yes

Every state has their own law and within states each municipality has different versions of the law Right So it's all over the place The rule of thumb that I ran across in researching this is if the site or the text from a site seemed huffy and indignant Yeah Then you should really take that stuff for the grain of salt Yeah and I also found a lot of cases too these days where it's become kind of a tool for activism where Somebody like an environmentalist will try to arrest the mayor in front of everyone at a town meeting

There's a site called arrestblair.org I believe and it's a site dedicated to Placing Tony Blair For war crimes The minister under arrest for war crimes and like five or six people have done it so far And it's all just totally symbolic Yeah exactly And there's a lot of like steps that they suggest you follow and like don't make it seem like you're trying to carry out any violent act or anything like that It's all symbolic

Yeah But if you could get Tony Blair to come with you to I don't know Jail They're like go for it but he's not going to No I've also seen people try to arrest like oil company executives and stuff like that Sure Again just a statement

So let's talk about let's break it down into federal law and state law Federal law and you this is a blog post of yours right in this where this came from Uh huh How about that Yeah how about it It's our first one based on a blog post Which is sort of just a version of an article No we did castration was a blog post

So if you're talking federal law it has to be interpreted as such it's not it doesn't clearly say in federal law like you can do this No there's some Hinky language Real fancy footwork in interpreting this and there's a group called what are they called crime fighters I looked when I wrote this blog post originally There's no website for crime fighters they have a newsletter That should say a lot But there's this long document and you can find it on the post for this episode on our website

That has like I mean just every detail you could possibly think of Some of it good advice some of it contradictory advice Some advice not good like for example There's sentences like when in doubt check first Check what Like if you're not sure if a crime that you're arresting somebody for is a misdemeanor or felony Oh Check first

So apparently when in doubt you should have already checked beforehand as their guy Gotcha Or zip ties make handy handcuffs They do You should not be using handcuffs Cops even use zip ties Cops do This is a theme we're going to keep running into Chuck

Cops who are sworn law enforcement officers That's their career Yeah And there's plenty of cops that are like bad apples Yeah I'm not talking about that at this point What I'm saying is if you're a citizen's arrest person and you're carrying around zip ties To use as handcuffs

Yeah You are going to get in trouble because the same protections that are afforded to cops Who use zip ties are not afforded to you necessarily No, it's a different deal So if you look at Title 18, Section 2236 When talking federal law We should probably just read this because the wording is important Whoever being an officer, agent or employee of the United States or any department of agency

Thereof Engaged in the enforcement of any law of the United States Searches Any private dwelling Used and occupied as such dwelling Without a warrant Directing such search or maliciously and without reasonable cause Searches any other building or property

Without a search warrant Shall be fined under this title for a first offense and For a subsequent offense shall be fined under this title and imprisoned not more than one year or both Right, so basically what's that saying is The federal government is aware that there's bad apples who are sworn officers of the law Yes And they, anybody who conducts a search without a warrant or without probable cause is in trouble Yes

Here's the thing, there's a couple of exceptions and we want to make plain Right? Yes And they say that this section shall not apply to any person Which is huge as we'll see in a second A, serving a warrant of arrest B, arresting or attempting to arrest a person committing or attempting to commit an offense in his presence Or who is committed or is suspected on reasonable grounds of having committed a felony

Or making a search at the request or invitation or with the consent of the occupant of the premises So they're saying if you're a law enforcement officer you don't have to have a warrant If one of those three A, B or C is fulfilled But the thing that crime stoppers Crime fighters The thing that crime fighters says is, well wait, they switch language The first part has to do with the law enforcement officer In the second part they use the word person

Yeah, any person And any person is a citizen, right? That's right So technically under federal law if you interpret it this way You have the right to commit or I guess commit to carry out a citizen's arrest If there is a felony Right, so yeah, or if you could get your hand on a warrant Which you can't unless you're like a bounty hunter or a private detective

Yeah, which by the way, bounty hunters February 2010 Okay If you want to go listen to that one Yeah It's a good one Yeah, we did that one in bail, right? Bail and bounty hunters is like a duel That's right

And then since most people, most citizens can't get their hands on a warrant That part B kicks in where if you see somebody committing a felony You can arrest them That's right So that's what crime fighters and a lot of other people say This is federal justification for a citizen's arrest That's right But the states, the states love citizens' arrest

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Love them Not exactly the case, but they definitely open things up quite a bit Depending on what state and what municipality you live in You may be able to perform citizens' arrests on misdemeanors that you actually witness Felonies you don't even witness Anything that could cause a breach of peace, whether you witness it or not It all depends on the state Or in the case of Kentucky, you are called upon to do so

They say you must do so There's a case in the 30s that has been interpreted in Kentucky to mean that if you see a crime in action, you have to do something Or a felony The quote is, you must take affirmative steps is what it says in the law I don't think obviously they're gonna charge someone with not doing something Although you never know But they do charge you in Kentucky with, hey, this is your obligation You see crime, you gotta do something

I mean, you've seen the last episode of Seinfeld, it's basically the same thing They saw a man being harassed on the street and laughed instead of helping them So they were prosecuted under the Good Samaritan law That's right, so instead of see something, say something, it's see something, sit on them It's exactly right, that's the law So that's Kentucky There are other states that say you have to see a felony in progress to make a citizen's arrest And then other states are saying you better know what you're talking about if you arrest a citizen

Because if a conviction doesn't happen, that guy can turn around and sue you You can be charged with all sorts of things So you better get that conviction, like you better know what you're talking about It better be a cut and dried case if you're gonna make a citizen's arrest Yeah, and then there are all manner of rules and regulations depending on your state, like for instance in Utah They will let you arrest somebody for misdemeanor or felony, but you're not allowed to use deadly force Other states say you can use what they call reasonable force, but they, you know, that's highly subjective And I guess would be determined in a court

Some states say you should not or not allowed to question or search, the only thing you can do is detain them And this is in different countries too, they have similar laws I looked at like Canada and England and Finland and Norway, I mean it's all over the place And they're all kind of similar Although in some states they will let you seize a weapon or evidence if it is in plain view or if you're under an immediate threat Like you can take a gun from a guy Right Or seize if, you know, the kilo of cocaine spills out onto the street

You can like brush that aside and say, dear, would you put that in the car until the cops get here Right That'd be funny if you don't realize that you're in a state where you're not allowed to take a gun So you take a guy's gun and he's like, he's citizens arrest you back for taking his gun And he just keeps going back and forth like that Exactly And then there's something also called, some states allow merchant searches Oh, like a security guard at a department store or something?

Yeah, or even just a shop owner, like I saw you put that thing in your pocket Then go digging through the pockets Right So yeah, if you're a shopkeeper you have certain rights as well So if you are one of those people who likes to do citizens arrest or is interested by that kind of thing Which means you couldn't make it as a cop Crime fighters, do you remember that one King of the Hill where the security guard, like, I think he drops Bobby off or something like that And the security guard tells Hank he issues him a warning that he's parked more than three feet away from the curb

And Hank goes, you're not a cop And the guy goes, that's why it's only a warning Pretty great stuff I heard an interview, a great interview with Mike Judge recently He's awesome He is And super, super smart Idiocracy

Like he was a physicist and engineer Really? Before he got into the animation game Did not know that Before he did Beavis and Butthead Right Wow Which is really kind of funny

Nice Yeah Didn't know that Yeah, he's not a big fan of idiocracy himself actually Man, what is wrong with him? He basically was like, you know, his I think general take was it was okay, but it was sort of a Which is kind of my problem with like a one joke thing that ultimately didn't play out as a great man It worked so well

Over and over again Loved it Alright They'll appreciate hearing that, I think Loved it, Mike Judge Yes So if you are going to do this kind of stuff, you better know your state laws in and out Yeah

First of all, you better know whether it has to be a felony for you to carry out a citizen's arrest Sure You better know the difference between a misdemeanor and a felony and different classes of felonies Yeah So you know when to intervene and when not to You also need to know whether you can use handcuffs or try to restrain somebody Right, what force you can use Right, what escalation of force means

Sure Which typically is if the guy is coming at you with a baseball bat You could conceivably come at him back with your own blunt object But if the guy's got a He brought a baseball bat to a mace fight Right Which I mean they're both blunt objects, right I would take a spiked ball over a baseball bat

But if that guy comes at you with like just his fists and you knife him a bunch of times Right You've escalated the violence and you're probably going to be in trouble Across the board though, no matter what state you're in, if it allows for a citizen's arrest Which I didn't see a state that didn't have some sort of provision, are there? Did you run across any? I think pretty much everywhere you can I mean if you can arrest someone in Massachusetts

Right Then you can arrest someone anywhere You do not have to read a suspect his or her rights Yeah, that makes sense though, now that I think about it Because you're not an officer of the law Right, and the Miranda rights specifically give the right to remain silent around officers of the law Yeah, but if that person sings like a canary I think you can go and testify later if you want

You are a witness Yeah You're not an officer of the law and therefore that person has no right to remain silent I mean they cannot talk to you Right But the stuff that they write against self-incrimination that the Miranda rights give them Does not apply to somebody telling a citizen that kind of thing If the citizen wants to be a state witness which

Yeah You probably do if you're Oh sure You know, you're probably like double whammy Citizens arrest and state witness And now I have to go into witness identity protection for the rest of my life We did an episode on that too Yeah, this is all part of our crime and punishment series

I guess so The other thing that I saw almost across the board I think is that if you commit Or if you, I keep saying commit Because it sounds like a crime If you take part in a citizen's arrest You have to make your intention known and tell them what you're doing Right You can't just jump on someone and smash their face in the ground

You have to like advertise I am making a citizen's arrest Now according to crime fighters There are some exceptions to that rule Oh really If the person, if this is the commission of the crime Like if that guy is like sitting there and has like Oh sure sure

Going at the shop owner If it's so obvious And is like robbing somebody Yeah You can jump on them then without saying that Yeah yeah If they're fleeing the commission of the crime Supposedly you can jump on them without saying you're under arrest

Right And then apparently before Arrest was considered part and parcel to detainment So again according to crime fighters Which again I suspect is dubious in a lot of cases Before you had to at least lightly touch the person While telling them that you were performing a citizen's arrest Wow

And then apparently it was later on interpreted To not be the case You could just inform somebody So Josh we mentioned the one thing you have to do In almost all cases Unless you're literally breaking up a crime That you have to tell them what you're doing The other thing across the board is as quickly as possible

You have to try and get the real police there Very important Chuck You know you can't just Go like get your eyes examined Or hold someone for questioning like don't start playing cop Because you're not one You need to immediately get a cop on the scene as fast as possible And they recommend like don't do that by putting them in your car

And driving them down to the station No there's a couple of reasons for that One is that your car is your own property And you could conceivably be considered To be imprisoning those people in your car Yeah like you're kidnapping Whereas with like a taxi That's a public vehicle

And that kind of I would guess You could argue that that was a public vehicle That these people got into you with Then secondly the other reason why you want to use a taxi Is because if you're driving your own car It's just the two of you and you're driving Whereas with a taxi you're being driven around by somebody But I wouldn't recommend a taxi either

In today's cell phone land Just get a cop there Or just call Uber Which is funny there's a guy who In Sydney Australia I think Where we're huge I saw that He has been calling Uber cars

Hiring Uber cars And then citizens arresting the drivers Because they're breaking the law by Not being licensed taxi drivers He sounds like he's a lot of fun at parties When you google citizens arrest and click on news That was the first thing that comes up It's like some Australian Uber vigilante

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Whether you're a skeptic or a believer I think your ideas are going to change too Listen to Skyline Drive and the iHeart Radio app Apple podcast Or wherever you get your podcasts Alright so your contention Bad idea always And there's just because there's too many X factors

I mean when pro cops are on the scene Bystanders get shot You know we're talking about people who are For all intents and purposes Active vigilantes I would guess that that would increase the Not necessarily I mean an active vigilante is someone who

Prows the streets praying Playing crime fighter I would guess that most of the citizens arrests Carried out in this country are by people like that People who are the head of neighborhood patrols People who are prowling the streets Well there are a lot of George Zimmerman's out there For sure

Exactly So just be curious about statistics on people who Are witnessing a crime and jump in and help Okay so to me it's just there's just too many X factors Sure And there's a lot of things that can go wrong right Oh yes So for example when you walk up to somebody

And say I am performing a citizen's arrest Touch them lightly Or you don't have to do that anymore Because I am charging you with snatching that purse I just saw you do it Uh huh That person is probably going to be like You're not a cop

Yeah I doubt if they would say well you got me You got me Here's where you got zip ties on you Because I've got some if you don't Right exactly Go ahead That is probably not going to happen right No

If that doesn't happen and you say I want to warn you You're not coming with me can lead to charges Of resisting arrest Uh huh Even though it's citizens arrest Which is true in a lot of cases Yes

Um that person say well why don't you grab me And see what happens Yeah And when you do that because you're a literalist You grab them to see what happens And they stab you Sure Which happens

Sure It actually happened to four guardian angels You know those guys right They're the professional citizens arresters Exactly They really are As close as you can come to being a pro That is the guardian angels

Yeah and if it can go south on them It can go south on you Yeah I read this really interesting article about them They were formed in 1979 in New York right Yeah we should do a show on them That'd be great Okay But in the meantime everybody should go read

The twilight of the guardian angels And I think narratively on that site But it was really interesting It started out as a McDonald's manager Who was sick of crime in his neighborhood And recruited some of his other employees I remember that guy like I can still picture The main dude in my head

He's still around Yeah cause it was When we were kids it was a big deal Sure Guardian angels he's heard about it a lot They're on talk show circuits Right It was a necessary thing in New York City

Yeah they were on Sally They were on Donahue Yeah they were on all of them But as recently as 2012 in Chicago Four of them got stabbed when they were trying To arrest a person at your Another guy came up and just started stabbing And one of the guardian angels got stabbed in the head

Another one in the ribs And both suspects got away Wow So if the guardian angels as a group Are getting stabbed What do you think is going to happen to you? When you walk up and say I'm placing you under arrest come with me

Yeah that's a good point Okay so there's point one Of why this is a bad idea Well point two is kind of included in there This person you have no idea what kind of weapon They might have Right You know you might see the weapon

And if it's like someone holding up a store or something Like fast times at Ridgemont High In which case you distract them Throw coffee on them Oh gnarly Yeah And you get away You know Scott free

Right I think you hire Van Halen to play your birthday party Was it Van Halen? Yeah But all kidding aside Very dangerous even if you don't see a weapon Doesn't mean that you're Scott free And if you're one of those people who is like

I'm Dabney Coleman I have like 24 hours to live So I don't care if I die Yeah What about bystanders Innocent bystanders around you What if it's not a knife What if it's a gun

Sure So there's a lot of Moving parts that you have to take into account And even crime fighters says If you are thinking of performing a citizen's arrest And there's a lot of people around Don't Yeah

Because you have no idea how south it can go You don't know if the person has a gun And if so If they're willing to shoot at you Or anybody else who gets in their way Yeah Yeah I mean again

Unless you're seeing somebody In trouble Like in real physical danger Yeah Even crime fighters is like Maybe drop back and write their license plate number down Or just call the cops Right

Exactly This is even crime fighters thing I know Yeah Those real life superheroes That prowl the streets at night with capes and masks Oh They're coming up in a minute

So another great reason to not do so Is a little something we touched on earlier Which is You open yourself up to all manner of lawsuits If you are mistaken If things don't go well Right If you end up injuring this person

And they are innocent False imprisonment charges Yeah Kidnapping Like you name it man You can be in big big trouble Pat down somebody the wrong way Sexual assault

Yeah Or just assault and battery Even if Right Yeah Like even verbal threats can lead to charges of assault and battery That's right Civil suits you could be not only arrested

But you could have the pants suit off of you Exactly So that would be reason enough for me Aside from the fact that I'm a panty ways pacifist And then lastly Chuck Yes The whole thing opens you up to a possibility That is way more possible than the average time

When you're just walking around the street Mining your own business Of actually killing somebody Yeah George Zimmerman Yes And it's not just George Zimmerman It happens like it happens with citizens arrests

Yeah Where there was a guy in San Jose in 2013 Ricardo Hernandez He was trying to citizens arrest a burglar Named or suspected burglar named Christopher Soriano They got into a fight over a gun That Hernandez had on him And Soriano died

So now Hernandez is going to prison for four years And has a head on him Has a what on him? A head He killed somebody Oh, I've never heard that term Sure So that's a great point

Might end up killing someone Do you really want to do that? Right Exactly You got to think these things through Yeah, there are very few people that I would entrust To perform a citizen's arrest in the right way How about Phoenix Jones and his sidekick and wife

Purple Rain I've never heard of it On Seattle Real-life superheroes Oh, well that's always a bad idea They dress up and patrol the streets He has his own YouTube channel Yeah

There's Dark Guardian in New York City Who hangs around Washington Square Park at night Where we did a live podcast Yeah, there's a great documentary On the real-life superheroes Razor Hawk in Minneapolis Yeah, they're all over And they can be a problem

Sometimes it's just for fun But it's not like the movie Kick-Ass It doesn't go down that way Well, yeah And even cops are like Do not do this Like that's not a good idea Yeah, we don't need your help

That's what they're saying Exactly So crazy Yeah I wonder what happens When you try to perform a citizen's arrest on a cop I imagine that doesn't go well these days I would guess it doesn't go well either

Yeah I wouldn't advise that No Finally We come to his type of citizen's arrest That you advise not to do No, no, no I don't advise anyone to do it

Like I said My brother-in-law I wouldn't trust him to do a citizen's arrest Oh, yeah I've met him Yeah I could see him doing a citizen's arrest for sure He's a marine

Following the books Or when it goes south Like putting you, like, twisting your arm behind your back To where you're screaming, uncle Yeah, but even in his case it can go south, you know Yeah, it can go south in anybody's case When it's got a gun, he then see it And then it's like it's all over for him

That's no good No one wants that That's right See something, say something Not see something, sit on them Man, this episode is so fraught It's crazy I think the message is clear

Okay If you want to know more about Citizens Arrest You can go read the blog post on it on stuffyoushouldknow.com You can also just search Citizens Arrest And have hours of entertainment about and learn why You shouldn't do this kind of thing And since I said you shouldn't do this It's time for Listener Mail

I'm going to call this the film vault Our buddy Brian Bishop Of the Adam Corolla show Yeah I emailed him back from this and said This is just the worst kind of buzz marketing Well, I'm going to take him to task on air Brian, he works on the Adam Corolla show

And he also has a podcast with his own Called the Film Vault, which is great And we'll give him a little plug too He also wrote a great book called Shrinkage Manhood, Marriage, and the Tumor That Tried to Kill Me About His Battle with Cancer That's right Great book

So Brian took us to task and he said Hey guys, I was listening to a recent episode And the subject of Hollywood Remakes came up Guys are correct in this because we bagged on Pretty much all remakes, or you did Yes You guys are correct in the sense that the vast majority Are terrible

There are a few good, dare I say great ones However, we did an entire Film Vault episode On top five remakes And here's my list with some honorable mentions And I told them we will just take him to task right here So number one on his list Is one I have a problem with Vanilla Sky

Yeah I didn't think that was a very good movie When did they make that originally? It was a Spanish language movie Just like the year before I can't remember the name of it Dream Sky Open Your Eyes I think in Spanish

Whatever that is So Cameron Crowe remakes it Is Vanilla Sky and I didn't think it was that good Gotcha That was his number one Have you seen his Cameron Crowe's Latest Movie? Aloha

No, I don't want to either I used to love that He was my hero He was great I feel making a hero I read this article There was a pole of Just like a straw pole of critics

Movie critics around the internet Like what director has let you down the most? Yeah And he was one of them that was listed He was so great And then it's just gone so downhill Far and away the guy with the most votes Was M. Night Shyamalan

Oh, yeah One good movie Which we're gonna They still love him in Philadelphia We found out that's right Alright, number two The Departed I'm gonna say yes for that for sure

That was I think a Japanese movie Okay Called Infernal Affairs That Scorsese Oh, yeah, okay Little Shop of Horrors Honestly, I've never seen it So I have no opinion

I didn't really remade it Casino Royale That's technically I guess you could call that a remake Yeah But not really But no, I guess it was I mean, it was the same plot

Was it the same plot? Yeah, for the most part Ocean's Eleven I'll hand it to him there I thought Ocean's Eleven was a really good movie And a great remake Okay Yeah

And then as honorable mention The Italian Job I never saw it You never saw the remake? Nope I didn't either No, I saw the remake I never saw the original

Okay It was not great He was stretching with that one The fly? I didn't know the fly had an original So I'm going to go ahead and say Great then Because Cronenberg's the fly

It's awesome Yeah, man The original fly It has Vincent Price in it And it ends with Like they switch That's the thing, right? So like there's a

A human with a fly head Freaky And then there's a fly with a human head And that fly gets trapped In the spider's web at the end Wow And it's got the most unsettling sound Where it's like, help me

Wow It's really disconcerting Geez, I just got like chill bumps Very well done I feel like we've done that before And people wrote in We're like, don't do the fly impression It's really unsettling

The Brindle fly? No, the original Oh, the original fly Yeah He has the ring Of course the original Japanese version Ringu, I believe I wasn't a big fan of the ring

It was fine 310 to Yuma Pretty good Western Pretty good remake I'll give him that Did you ever see the original for the grudge? I think it was called like you... you... Juwon

No Dude Good It is probably the best Japanese horror film of all time Which is saying something Yes it is It was so good Prove me wrong people

I'm always looking for a good horror movie And if you have one that really tops Juwon Not a different one But one that is actually better than Juwon I want to know about it Alright, and then he finishes up The honorable mention list was Scarface Which just put that instead of vanilla sky

And you've got a pretty decent top five Because Scarface was great Sure Brindle Palmer's remake of... I think that had been done a couple of times If I'm not mistaken Yeah What was it?

Jimmy Cagney was the first one, right? I think so Jimmy Cagney and then Jimmy Stewart Oh yeah? No Fred McMurray So, so Brian goes to say this was back in 2010 So it may have been some good one since then actually

But just so you don't lose all hope That a remake can't be anything but awful And that is from our buddy Brian Bishop Thanks Brian Who just recently threw out the first pitch At a professional baseball game No way And so did our friend Nick Thune

And I'm like No What do you got to do? I want to throw out a first pitch What? What team? The Giants? It wasn't the Giants, was it?

Nick did it in Seattle where he's from So he got to take the field And he like wore a full uniform And did the full wind up And like looked good Wow Brian did it at a Padres game Even though he's a Giants fan

And I think he said it went pretty well as well He tells a story on the Adam Corolla show That is awesome man Congratulations I want to do that Yes I wonder if they let us do it together Just, yeah they've done that

Like the thing with two heads? No they do that They lined up like the Stanley Cup winners Like five or six of those guys And they all did it Like they all threw it once Or they all took turns throwing Or they all did one to throw

They did one to throw They had five catchers and five hockey players Cool And they all threw it out at once Alright so there's hope for us Yeah just don't look like 50 cent or Carl Lewis And you're all set What do you mean?

Those are two of the worst first pitches ever Really? Well I mean we would probably practice for a while I would practice a lot Yeah Okay well if you want to get in touch with us To have us throw out the first pitch at your professional MLB teams game

Yeah not minor league, not interested No We are happy to do so You can tweet to us at SYSKpodcast You can join us on facebook.com You can send us an email to stuffpodcast at howstuffworks.com And as always join us at our home

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