Stuff You Should Know - How Going Over Niagara Works

Episode Date: February 19, 2009

Since 1901, about 16 adventurous souls have gone over the falls in search of fame, usually in a barrel or sphere. Tune in as our resident experts take a look at the history of Niagara Falls in this podcast from HowStuffWorks. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Not to jump the gun. That has nothing to do with this podcast. Can you sign that out for me? No. Well, to anyone who knows sign language, give good blood, bad blood a shot. Oh, and that also reminds me, Chuck, one of our listeners sent in, I guess, a mind melt exercise. Mm-hmm. Make a clockwise circle on the floor with your right foot while writing the number six on a pad of paper. I tried it. It is really tough. It made me crazy. Yeah, things like that really get to Chuck. Right.

So, Chuck, that's a good thing that we had this little bit of banter because I had like no introduction whatsoever for this one. How convenient. How about this? Have you ever been in Niagara Falls? I have not, nor have I. So, really? Yeah, no, I haven't. And I even lived, you know, in the north or not the north, the midwest, but the northern midwest. Well, it's not too far from Ohio. No, it's not that far, especially Toledo, you know.

So, but yeah, never made it up there. And actually, the only time I've ever really seen Niagara Falls was on what? Superman 2, where Clark Kent and Lois Lane Honeymoon, if I remember correctly. That's the only time you've seen Niagara Falls. Yeah, that's the most I've seen of it, I would say. Yeah, it's not the only time. Gotcha. I don't live in a cave, Chuck.

Right. So, I do know a few things about Niagara Falls. Let's hear it. You want me to lay it on you? Lay it. I will tell you this, Chuck. Every year, Niagara Falls attracts about 12 million visitors, right? Yeah.

It's a huge tourist attraction, you know, and from what else, from research I've also found that if you stand there long enough, somebody's going to go in. What do you mean? They're going to go on the Niagara River and they're going to go over the falls. If you stand there long enough. Long enough, now we may be talking like months, years, who knows. But they do pull about 20 bodies out of the bottom of the falls every year. Yeah, sadly, it's a suicide destination for some folks.

Yeah, and that was just suicides, right? Right. Yeah, but there are a subgroup of humans running around over the last 100 or so years who actually go over the falls on purpose. Right, they're devils. That old cliche, going over Niagara Falls in a barrel. Right. There's actually a lot of people who have done that.

And it's usually a barrel. Yeah, yeah, especially the old-timing people. They went over in barrels. All of them, yeah, all of them modified. And then, you know, as we progress further into the 20th century, the barrels became, you know, a little better, a little stronger. But yeah, pretty much all barrels or balls. Right.

Spheres. Right, 16, if I'm not mistaken, 16 people have done so. From 1901 to 2003. Right. And as far as I could find, the guy who did it in 2003, was the last one. I couldn't find anybody who's tried it more recently. Right.

His is the most amazing, but we should probably save that just so people don't turn it off. Yeah, let's dial it back a little bit. Yeah. We want to pay it out slowly. So Chuck, let's talk about the falls a little bit. How's your geography? Terrible. You want me to handle it?

Well, no, I mean, I can give you a few facts here and there, but geography as a whole is not my strong suit. All right, we'll give us a few facts here and there. Geographically speaking, if you've never been to Niagara Falls, you might think that it's one set of falls. And if you've seen the famous photos, but it's actually three sets of falls, which I'm sure you know. A horseshoe falls.

Yeah, that's the Canadian one, right? Yes, the American falls. That's the American one. And the lesser known and smaller bridal veil falls. Right. And I know you have some good numbers on these. Well, I can tell you that this three fall setup that we see in Niagara Falls today, or people unlike me who go to Niagara Falls see today.

It's actually only about 500 years old. The falls actually erode these days, because they've hit some serious bedrock. They erode backward about four to five feet a year. Yeah, that's a lot. It is a lot, but they've eroded much, much more quickly than that over time. And also, I should say that the entirety of Niagara Falls is only about 15,000 years old. It was the result of the last ice age or the end of the last ice age.

But okay, so it's eroding backward five feet a year. And eventually, it hit a point and the river went down enough, the water flow went lower enough that it hit this island, which split it into two. That'd be the Niagara River, correct? The Niagara River was split into two, and actually there's a second smaller island, Luna Island, that split it into three and created bridal veil falls. Right.

But this island called Goat Island is actually named after a herd of hapless goats that froze to death on the island in 1780. They belong to a goat herder named John Steadman, and that's why Goat Island is called Goat Island. They weren't fainting goats, were they? No, they were freezing goats. Okay. Yeah, so that's a little bit about Niagara Falls.

Oh, I should probably give some stats here, because I know everybody loves stats. Do you have any stats about Goat Island? No, I'm usually stat man, but the... Can I take your role today? Please do. Okay, so horseshoe falls is by far the biggest one. Oh, yeah.

It's a 167 foot drop, then it hits the mate of the mist pool, and actually goes down about another 180 feet. So if you plunged right down to the mate of the mist pool, what is that? That's like almost 400 feet, right? It's quite a bit. That's a significant drop. It's a...

There's a 2600 foot brink, and the water goes over that brink at about 600,000 gallons per second. Right. That's a lot of water. Yeah, so if you went over the falls and survived, you've still got this water beating down on you at that kind of rate, which you could easily die. And even though horseshoe falls is much bigger, and the water volume is much greater,

that's the one that people go over when they go over Niagara Falls. Because American Falls, it puts water at about 150,000 gallons a second, but the 176 foot drop to the bottom, about 106 feet of that is rock. Right. So you drop 70 feet right on this huge tumble of rocks. Yeah. It's not a good idea to go over that one. It's nice to look at.

It is very pretty, especially with bridal veil falls just falling in the background. Superman flying around. It's good. It's good. It's good. It's good. It's good. It's good.

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It was. That was a great article. I actually went back and referenced that. Thanks. And I saw that there's a picture of the first person to go over the falls in your article. Right. Who was a woman. Yeah.

And Edison Taylor. Yeah. But backtracking again, we're saving our anecdotes of the people who went over. Yeah, we're talking about daredevils, right? Right. What about that one study? Which one? The one with the testosterone.

Oh, right. Yeah, daredevils have a, what is it, a higher level of testosterone, but a lower level of satisfaction? I looked it up serotonin. Right. And it's serotonin. One of the things it does is it's a neurotransmitter and it acts to curb impulsiveness. Well, apparently high levels of testosterone and low levels of, you know, a neurotransmitter that curbs impulsiveness equals daredevils.

Right. So that's one explanation. Another explanation is found actually in some poor lab mice who had the, the staffman gene bred out of them. The infamous staffman genes. Yeah, it's about to be infamous. This gene produces a protein, right, that allows nerve cells to, to communicate with one another in the amygdala.

And the amygdala is known to allow us to form fear memories. Memories from fear. Oh, right. Aversion. Sure. Like put your hand on a hot oven. Right. Your amygdala is going to be like, oh, we can't do that again.

So I think hot stove is what they generally say, but a hot oven's bad too. Quiet, too. Okay. Hot oven, hot stove. I know what you mean. So the, so these mice are, they were actually called in this article rather sensationally. Daredevil mice, they showed no signs of traditional mice fear. They explored open spaces.

They really didn't have much of an aversion to receiving electric shocks. Basically these mice are leading a pretty hard life. I think up at Cornell or Rutgers. Right. And I know that Daredevil's often say that they don't fear things like most people do. So it's not like they're just overcoming this thing. And they just have to jump off of out of the plane. They really, it just doesn't affect them.

Right. Which is, I can't even begin to conceive of that. I have a little bit of that to me. I used to repel and yeah. Stuff like that. Wow. But there was a little bit of fear involved. But I was one of those that was overcoming the fear as opposed to, yeah.

You're a self-actualized person. I was. All right. Well, Chuck, let's meet some of the idiots who've gone over Niagara Falls. Shall we? Yes. And at this point, as our attorneys would be so pleased, I will say that you should certainly never, ever, ever try to do this because it's very easy to die trying this as a stunt.

Conscientious and self-actualized. I think the fact that 16 people have gone over 11 of which have survived in 100 years. And actually, two people went over and survived twice. Correct. Which, but five people died. So. Yeah. And horribly too.

We'll get to some of those guys, right? Right. So why don't we start at the beginning. The first person to go over Niagara Falls on purpose, as you said, was a woman, Annie Edson Taylor in 1901, right? Yeah. Which is pretty funny to think about way back then. But yeah, she did this actually on purpose as a stunt to try and make money.

Yeah, fame and fortune is pretty much the dominant reason people have for going over the falls, right? Right. And she was 63 at the time. She claimed. That's been stirr I imagine. Yeah, she, well. Didn't use listerine.

Yeah. She claimed she was 43 and got away with that. So she must have been in pretty decent shape. But she packed a pickle barrel with a, made it airtight and packed it with pillows and stuffed herself in there and made it over, survived and did not make a lot of money off of it. She was, she was smart enough to compress air to make it buoyant. And she also took her cat with her.

Yeah. And they both lived. Yeah, a guy took his turtle later on too. Someone else. Oh, we'll get to him. Okay. Sonny boy. In 1980, cocaine was captivating and corrupting Miami.

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All that on UnReformed. Listen to UnReformed on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. But yeah, she went over. She and the cat made it. But yeah, the fortune and fame that she saw was elusive, she found. And died penniless, which is just sad. Yeah, I don't like that term though.

No one dies penniless. I'm sure someone does. But did she really not have a penny? Come on. I don't know. I mean, a penny in 1901 was that's a lot. You know, they should just say she died poor. Okay.

That's just a personal piece or broke. Yeah. Busted. Well, her barrel busted. Okay. So who's up next? Um, let's see. How about, uh, well, the first man was 10 years later, Bobby Leach.

Yeah. And he was kind of a stuntman, right? Yeah. He was a circus guy and, uh, July 25th, 1911, he got into a steel barrel and, uh, floated, you know, 18 minutes downstream and went over and survived. He broke both his jaw and both of his kneecaps. Yeah. And spent six months in the hospital. Yeah.

Not fun. No, but, uh, the, the horrible ironic twist to Mr. Leach's life is that 15 years later, he slipped on an orange peel, broke his leg, it became infected. It was amputated and two months later he was dead of complications. Right. Ultimately from slipping on an orange peel. Right. And if that had been a banana peel, it would be a, uh, three Stooges episode.

It would have been just painful to read. Right. It was. So he, he lived but perished in a odd accident, which is interesting. You know me, Chuck, I have, um, some fairly grisly tastes. All right. Oh yeah. So I think the guy with the coolest death of the Niagara Falls tragedies, uh, was Charles Stevens.

Right. He went over in 1920. I actually haven't heard this guy so. Oh, you haven't? I'll lay it on you. Um, he went over in an oak barrel, right? Uh, and it wasn't modified or reinforced in any way, but he modified the interior. He had an anvil at the bottom service ballast.

So it would stay upright. Okay. Um, and he had his feet strapped to the anvil for some reason. Um, and, uh, he had arm straps inside the barrel. Uh-huh. So he was, his arms were in there and he, he went over. Um, apparently when he hit the bottom, the anvil broke through the bottom of the barrel and dragged him down with it.

And all they ever found of Mr. Stevens was his arms still in the arm strap inside. You're kidding. What was left of the oak barrel. Wow. I kid you not. Poor planning. Yeah, that's, yeah. It was, it actually was his whole, his whole stunt was wracked with poor planning.

Other people who'd already gone over, um, and who, who lived around the river and were kind of old sea dogs, um, were begging the guy to, um, you know, test it out, give it a try, reinforce it. Um, just do, take all these extra precautions and you just wouldn't do it. So. Right. As soon as you said he had an anvil in the bottom, I kind of foresaw that coming. Yeah. Uh, Josh, another one that I thought was really sad, um, that Parrish was, uh, George, uh, Stathicus in 1930.

He is what Peter Tosh would call a mystic man. Yes. Yeah. He was a chef in New York. He went over with his pet turtle, sunny boy. Sunny boy. Yes. A hundred year old turtle named sunny boy.

Supposedly. Yeah. And, um, this one's really sad because he actually went over, perhaps successfully and was stuck behind the curtain of water and it really. 18 hours. Yeah. 18 hours and no one could get to him and they don't know for sure whether he survived the fall. But if he did, that means he spent, um, you know, three to eight hours is all the air he had.

And he actually perhaps suffocated suffocated. What I took from it was that they examined him and found that yeah, he, he, he most likely had suffocated. Yeah. That's terrible. But the turtle made it. Yeah. Sunny boy made it. And the whole reason, uh, Mr. Stathicus took sunny boy, um, was so that if he died, sunny boy could

tell the tale and that sunny boy never really said anything. Talking turtle. I think that says it all mystic man. So you want me to do another one? Yeah. You're okay. I love this guy. Nathan Boya, he's the first, uh, African American to go over and he was also, he kind of bucked the

trend of fame and fortune. Uh, the reason, uh, Mr. Boya went over was because it was something he just had to do. He felt he had to do. Really? That's what he said. Yeah. So he goes over in 1961 and this guy was pretty sharp. He took an oxygen tank with him filled with 30 hours of air.

Um, I believe he had a rebreather and he went over in a, uh, I think it was a metal ball. He dubbed the plunger sphere. Right. He did have a rebreather, which removes, uh, carbon dioxide. Yeah. It's like scuba. Exactly.

Yeah. So, um, he went over in the falls, he went over the falls, uh, he, um, he was successful. I think he got a little banged up, but not, not too much. And he was also the first person to be fined for breaking a law that was enacted, um, a couple of years earlier after another guy died, um, that it's, that makes it, that made it illegal to, uh, go over Niagara Falls on purpose. So he paid a hundred bucks, which in 2008 dollars I looked up was 710.45. And today's dollars?

Yes. As a fine, but he was the first one to ever be fined for doing it because I believe the fine today is 10 grand or more. Yeah. Or more. Yeah. And it's performing a stunt without a license. Is that what it is?

Yeah. And they've never given a license to anybody. So to do it, which it just seems like a bad idea. Sure. Because that's a lawsuit right there. Um, do you want to skip ahead to the most recent and most amazing? Or did you have another one? You, we can go backward.

Do we have to do it chronologically? No, we don't. I want to talk about the most recent 2003. Well, let's do it. Because this guy went over without anything and he's the only person known to go in on purpose without any kind of flotation, no barrel, no nothing. Just to close on his back. Close on his back.

And, uh, there's been speculation over the years whether or not he was suicidal or, um, wanted fame and fortune. He apparently said that he, uh, was in fact depressed for years and his friends came out later and said, yeah, he talked about trying to commit suicide. And so when he went to Niagara, he literally stood on the other side of the rail and was contemplating it. And a woman behind him, who he did not know, sarcastically said, so what are you going to do? Jump in that voice.

No. And he said, yes, ma'am, I think I will. And he did so. And he jumped in and just a few moments later, uh, plunged over a horseshoe falls and said that it felt like I was being swallowed by a living organism. Cool. I was flying straight down at a tremendous speed and the force was so great. I thought it would rip my head off.

Then it became dark. My ears popped and I was trapped under 40 feet of water. It was beating the living heck out of me. Did he say heck? No, he didn't. And I couldn't even get to the surface and I remember thinking, well, Niagara, I think you've beaten me. And he said then he was pushed forward and felt the sun on his face.

Crazy. I know. What's the guy's name? Kirk Jones. Cool. So Kirk survived. He told a story to Outside Magazine, among others, and apparently he said it filled him with the will to live.

So I would imagine so. Good for him. Kind of like surviving a plane crash, right? Yeah, exactly. Except not quite. Well, yeah. Maybe the same, you know, part of the brain. Yeah, I think so.

So, okay, can we go back one, because there is one other one I would mention. Sure. Um, okay, so can we go back and can I do one more? Venture back in time. Yeah. Sure. We'll go back to 1988, the heady days at the end of the Reagan era. My junior year in high school.

When still, wow, really? Yeah, I know. You're always marveled at my age. I know. I'm like five years older than you. Get over it. Okay. All right.

Sorry. Um, so, so it was the end of the Reagan era, but Nancy Reagan's influence was still very clearly imprinted upon the national psyche. Sure. Say no to drugs. In particular, two guys named Peter Debinardi and Jeffrey Petkovich, right? And they decided that they were going to go over the falls in a barrel. And, um, they did.

And I think a 10 foot long metal barrel, uh, that was completely enclosed. Right. And the reason that they, they wanted to do this was because they wanted to make a statement against drugs. And if you look at their barrel, there's a picture of it in the article. It says, uh, drugs kill, right? Right. So what they're, what they're saying clearly is that it's your, it's smarter to go over Niagara Falls in a barrel than it is to do drugs.

Right. The problem is, is that's just wholly untrue, which is why there's a 200 million illicit drug users worldwide and only 16 people have ever gone over Niagara Falls on purpose. And we're certainly endorsing anything, but yeah, going over the falls in a barrel is, is virtual suicide. It is. That kind of struck me. That reminded me actually there was the other guy that was trying to raise awareness for the homeless.

Yeah. What was that? Yeah. He went over in a jet ski and the plan was to leap off the jet ski in his, he had a rocket parachute that was going to open, but there was some kind of malfunction and he died. I'd say the worst of all was Jesse Sharp in 1990. Oh yeah. He didn't even have a, a parachute brand.

He didn't wear a helmet and he didn't wear a life preserver. And he went over in a kayak on purpose because he wanted a job in the stun industry. So I feel very badly for Jesse's family. Yeah. He perished. Oh yeah. As well. Yeah.

I think they found his kayak and that was it. Right. So I think the lesson, the takeaway Josh is daredevil, legitimate business going over the falls in a barrel, not a good idea. No. And, and stay off drugs kids. So Chuck, audible.com time. Yeah.

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