Stuff You Should Know - How Noah's Ark Worked

Episode Date: March 8, 2012

Stories of a great flood and a man who managed to stay afloat while the world drowned abound in ancient traditions. Join Josh and Chuck as they explore the possible evidence of the Great Flood and whether Noah really existed. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And there's, I'm not going to give it away. I would recommend everybody seeing it. I'm sure it will like offend a lot of people and it'll like take a lot of people off. But then there are some people out there who will be like, wow, this is really cool. Right. But one of the things, one of the first ones, first segments is talking about how there is like basically all of the religious figures can be dated back to or traced back to Horus, the ancient Egyptian God. I think we've mentioned that before too. Yeah. Well, the Zeitgeist, the movie like really goes into detail about this. But the whole thing kind of begs a question that's related to Noah's Ark, which we're about to talk about. And that how when you have cultures all over the world that share a similar

story or have a similar idol or something like that, there's just some sort of commonality. Yeah. And it's so, they resemble one another so much. Is that evidence that it something took place? Right. Or is that evidence of cultures borrowing from one another and forming a cultural tradition that can be traced back to a single source? Or both. Yeah. I mean, it definitely can be both to an extent. I mean, there is a disparity between the two also. Yeah. But the flood definitely falls into that because there are stories of the flood of a global worldwide catastrophic flood that just changed everything all over the place. Yeah. And many, many religions. Right. And many religious texts. Yes. It is true. And usually accompanying that flood legend is a

man who built a boat, was commanded by God or warned in some traditions and built a boat, put two of every animal you could find on them or two of every animal and basically sat there and waited for the rains to come. Steve Carell. Exactly. Did you see that? No, never. Yeah. Did you? I saw parts of it enough to know that I was disappointed in Steve Carell. I got that from the TV ads. Oh, sure. Yeah. But you know, that's kind of the story, though, is that a man named Noah is chastised by the people in his town, in his area, for being foolish and, oh, there's not going to be a flood. He's warning us of this flood. You're a silly man building your crazy, silly ark. Right. And it's definitely part of the allegory. The moral tale

is, you know, you should be able to withstand the ridicule of your non-believing heathen neighbors when God talks to you. That's right. Right. Let's talk about the other more possibly scientific aspects of the flood because it's so ubiquitous. A lot of people have dedicated scientific inquiry to it. Big time. This article says outright that a literal flood that would submerge the earth to its mountaintops is not possible because that would require five times the amount of water in the oceans and atmosphere put together. Right. Because one of the aspects of this flood legend is that the whole earth was flooded up to the mountaintops. Right. And here's where we get into that whole ball of yarn of literal Bible literalists or biblical fundamentalists.

You know, maybe the whole world at that time meant that area, you know, the Middle East. Well, yeah. I mean, like, this is a time when there was no communication other than maybe a big clay tablet. Right. And travel was fairly limited and regional in nature. So if you have a big enough flood, by all intents and purposes, like the world is flooded, the world is they know it. Yes. Yeah. Right. I just found out the Bible literalists, they don't literally believe every word of the Bible is like they still believe in metaphor and parable and allegory and stuff like that. I kind of thought that those people believe exactly what you see in the Bible is exactly what happened. Yeah. But why would they call themselves literalists? Well, because they're

more literal than, I guess, the other camp. Gotcha. But it's yeah, that's I mean, that's entirely different podcast altogether. Oh, yeah. There's a lot of a lot of stuff with that. And one will probably never record. Probably not. Well, let's talk about some of the theories behind all this. You said that it's physically impossible. It's biogeochemically impossible for the earth to have flooded up to the mountaintops. That's what they say. That's what scientists say. You said that it's probably a little more, it was probably a little more local or regional. And there's actually evidence of flooding in the right place at about the right time. Sure. Enough to support what's called the Noah's Flood Hypothesis. Right. AKA Black Sea Deluge Theory. I like them both. Yeah,

they're both good. It doesn't say the band name thing. Like 80 people just went like, oh, that's an awesome thing. How do you think about that? Black Sea Deluge Theory? Yeah, a little too long. Okay. For my taste. So you're talking about William B. F. Ryan, Walter C. Pittman of Columbia in 1996, the New York Times, actually before they even published it in journals, the New York Times published it. They postulated a theory that the Great Flood was resulting from rising waters in the Black Sea, just as the last Ice Age was tapering off. Which makes a lot of sense. 5600 BC. Yeah. Basically, their whole idea was that the ice caps overwhelmed the Mediterranean, which flowed across the Bosporus Strait and into the Black Sea. Right? Yeah. And apparently,

this would have happened at about 200 times the force of Niagara Falls, those two guys reckon. 60,000 square miles, they think. Would have been flooded. Yeah. And there's actually evidence. The guy Robert Ballard, who discovered the Titanic, who we'll visit with later, found evidence that there was indeed, the Black Sea was indeed at one time a freshwater lake. Right. Now it is a saltwater sea, an inland sea. And so most likely, that was the result of the Mediterranean infiltrating it. Is that 2007? Was that his work? No, no. He was he searched for evidence of Nerozark in the late 90s, 1999 and 2000. But so they did find incontrovertible natural evidence, but they didn't find evidence that there were people

that would have witnessed it. So they don't know if it happened at a time when people noticed it, or if it was cataclysmic, if it killed a bunch of people or what. Sure. The war on drugs impacts everyone, whether or not you take drugs. America's public enemy, number one, is drug abuse. This podcast is going to show you the truth behind the war on drugs. They told me that I would be charged for conspiracy to distribute 2,200 pounds of marijuana. Yeah, and they can do that without any drugs on the table. Without any drugs, of course, yes, they can do that. And I'm the prime example of that. The war on drugs is the excuse our government uses to get away with absolutely insane stuff. Stuff that'll piss you off.

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flood like that, it was probably over a longer period of time and more mild than that. Well, yeah, 600 years. You're more mild than 600 years, they were saying? Yeah, like maybe as much as a thousand years. Right, and here's the big problem. The Noah's flood hypothesis and all the supporting evidence doesn't, there's a really important piece left out, which is the rain. Depending on who you talk to, it rained for six days up to 40 days and 40 nights. Well, up to 150 days, actually. Oh, whose was that? Well, that's in the Bible. Oh, okay. I thought it was 40 days and 40.

Well, it says 40 days and 40 nights, but then I think, oh man, I wish I had it in front of me. So something about the waters for 150 days. So maybe it rained that long and the flooding rose up to a point of 150 days. Right, before it subsided. And he also took seven pairs of clean animals. Yeah, and then two of each unclean animals. Aka ferrets. They're really unclean. They're good eating, though. Jared just laughed at that. It's also possible and probable that the whole flood legend, since remember the world was a lot

smaller, even though it was really large at the time, was a larger than usual flooding of the Tigris and Euphrates. Which flood every year. And yeah, exactly. Every summer, I think. Yeah, it's seasonal flooding. We didn't mention Noah's flood in the How Floods Work episode, did we? This is the follow-up. But the seasonal flooding, if there was one that was really, really, really bad, right? These people, the people who started to first record the idea of Noah and this great flood were in that area at the time, the Mesopotamia area, starting with the Sumerians. Right. And some postulate, perhaps Noah was wealthy and could afford a really great boat in the Tigris and Euphrates flooded. And that became the story that eventually morphed into

Islamic and Judeo-Christian versions. Right. But about 2,000 years before it was recorded in the Old Testament, the Sumerians wrote of a man named Ziusudra. And he was basically the archetype for Noah and the flood story. And then that was followed up by the world's first book, the world's first known book, one of my personal favorites, the Epic of Gilgamesh. By John Grisham. Right. Yeah. It was a good one. Yeah, I can't believe that twist at the end. And the attorney. The lady with the $40 million. So you're right. That is the oldest book in recorded history. And the Babylonian say there was a man named Utnapishtim. And he warned of a great flood, built a boat about the size of an acre. And there were six days and nights of rain.

And he sailed to modern day Bahran. Right. What's interesting is that the size of the boat is found just about the same in all of these traditions. Yeah. Starting with Gilgamesh, about an acre in size up to the Bible, which mentions that it's 300 cubits. And let's just go ahead and discuss cubits for a moment. Okay. I think it's time in the history of stuff. You should know that we finally got the cubits. Yeah. But a cubit is an ancient measurement of length that runs from the tip of the middle finger to the inside of the elbow. It's usually about 14 inches or something like 45.72 centimeters, 18 inches or 45 centimeters, right? Yeah. So 300 cubits is 5400 inches or 13,716 centimeters, which means it's 450 feet or 137 meters, right? Right. Long. Long. 50 wide,

30 tall, three decks made of gopher wood. All that equals would cover about an acre in area. It's a big boat. It is. But it is strange that it does appear with about the same dimensions in all these traditions. So it makes you wonder if there was a wealthy merchant right in the area at that time. Did he really have an acre sized boat? Or was it just like that's the opposite of an allegory for a really big boat? It's like really specific rather than hyperbolic. Maybe so. It'd be hyperbolic. That's a big boat for today with today's technology. So in the Quran and for people out there that are going, what? Noah's in the Quran? Yeah. No. No. In UH. He's one of the five prophets of Islam along with Abraham, Jesus, Moses and Adam. Wait. Did you just say Jesus? I did. Did you know this before

this article? Yeah. I took religion in college. Okay. I had no idea. Jesus is a venerated prophet in the Islamic tradition. I bet a lot of people don't know that. We do now. So the book of Surah or S-U-R-A-H, Surah tells of Noah, speaking as a prophet of God, warning his neighbors, turn from your evil ways. And aside from the name differences and where the ark eventually lands, which in the Bible, it's Mount Ararat and the Quran, it's Mount Judi. Or is it Judi? I took it as Judi. Judi. Those are really the only differences. Other than that, they're pretty similar to each other. Right. But those locations are very specific. Yeah. It's not like on a mountain somewhere. Right. And there are also two very different

locations both known at the time. So I mean, it's not like they were confused or anything like that. There's also another location that people search to, Mount Sulamun and Iran. But those are the three big mountains that are being looked at currently. That is correct, sir. So let's talk about the search. There's been a number of searches. I think there still are for the ark. People want to find evidence of the ark because if you find the ark, well, then everything really happened. And the creationists and literalists are like, Hey, I told you. Case closed. And so a lot of people have kind of looked into this. And we talked about the geological evidence. There's a little more. There's some evidence that the Tigris and Euphrates River did indeed

have a pretty big flood around 2900 B.C. Right. And that it wiped out entire cities in Sumer. Right. That's that's pretty good evidence that this flood didn't need happen. Right. Yeah. A flood. But we're still lacking one of the main components as far as biblical scholars are concerned, which is the ark fingerprints. Oh, right. So yeah, let's go to Error Rock, which is particularly tantalizing or was at one point time. Sure. There is the and I got a little info on this special in 1993. The incredible discovery of Noah's Ark. CBS aired this special that they later on said was entertainment and not documentary after the fact that had it was hosted by what's his name, Darren McGavin from Christmas Story.

He's awesome. And Billy Madison was awesome. Yeah, Billy Madison. And did I ever tell you I saw the Christmas story at a screening in LA and they brought him out? No, the director was there and told stories. He made porkies so he could make a Christmas story. Oh, yeah, you did tell me that. And they wheeled out there. MacGavin Ernie and wheel him out. He was he was in a wheelchair kind of back into my right and everyone stood and clapped and he was just kind of like it was kind of sad. He was old. He waived like the Queen. Yeah. And his wife was like, this is for you. Like, I don't think he quite got it. Oh, wow. He was that old, huh? Yeah, he died not too long after that, I think. When did you see him? So this was definitely post Billy

Madison because he was totally sharp and mobile and everything. This was like 2001 ish or 2000. Oh, somewhere in there. Wow. He went downhill quick. Yeah. It's very sad. I love that guy. He was great in Colcheck too. In what? Colcheck the Night Stalker. Do you ever see that? Is that a movie? No, it was a TV show. Really? Yeah, it was like kind of like outer limits kind of thing, but it was mainly monsters. He was a private detective who would like end up on a case and there was a monster behind it or something like that or a ghost or something crazy like that. It was like a supernatural detective series. Huh? Yeah, it's cool. I can't believe I've never heard of that. It's crazy. He had this tagline. Who loves you, baby?

Not a finger. All right. Boy, we can get distracted so easy. He hosted the show. CBS ran the show and a guy named George Jamal supposedly his story was that he and a companion named Vladimir crawled into a hole in the ice at the top of Mount Ararat into a wooden structure. All right. He says, he says, quote, we got very excited when we saw this part of the room was divided into pens like places where you would keep animals. And so this is on TV and people are getting like really excited about this guy. He took some wood with them, then tragedy struck. Vladimir was taking pictures and basically backed up and like fell out and tumbled down the mountain and died destroying the film evidence. Wink, wink. And as of course, if you can't see where this is

headed as it later comes out, George Jamal is an actor. He'd been telling this story for years. He's never been to Turkey. There is no Vladimir. The whole thing was completely made up and it gets a little more fun though. They had experts paraded about throughout the show that claimed certain things like biblical era people developed batteries. And with those batteries, they ran air conditioners. Wait, I've heard about batteries. They did have chemical batteries like back in Egypt. Oh, really? Yeah. Did they run air conditioners? I don't believe that. They said that the flood occurred in subterranean chambers bursting up through the Earth's surface with the explosion explosive power of 10 billion hydrogen bombs. And it's important to note that none of this is

like substantiated. It was all just like made up stuff. Okay. And then finally they found fossils of animals buried in swimming positions and fish found in positions of terror. Fins extended and eyes bulging. So like these fish were so scared that they were fossilized and flash fossilized with their eyes intact bulging at the the water because I guess a lot of water is intimidating to a fish. I would think they would have been like sweet. Do you think they really need to pile on more lore? I know it was weird. Can we just stick with the existing lore and try to figure that out? So anyway, that was the big hoax and it was found out to be a hoax and a big disappointment for some people. I'm sure some people. Other people are probably like haha. So I mentioned Robert

Ballard, the guy who found the Titanic, a famed explorer. He led an expedition in 1999 and 2000 and he was looking not so much for Noah's Ark itself, although if there's any place on Earth that would be a great place to preserve a wooden boat for several thousand years, the black sea, the bottom of it is apparently perfect. Oh, yeah. Very, very cold, very low in oxygen. And they have found some pretty ancient wood structures, but they haven't found any neolithic structures. Right. Although I said they did find the ancient shoreline. They found seven kinds of mussels, like ancient extinct mussels. Five of them are saltwater, two are freshwater, which is incontrovertible evidence that there is that they found this old ancient freshwater

lake shoreline. Right. And at some point that's what the black sea was, and then it was inundated somehow. But no wood. Slowly, quickly, not from the neolithic period where it should have, where this would have taken place. Yet, he has found some stuff, but not necessarily that. And that would suggest that this flood did happen, and it did happen quickly, and there were people around to witness it and create a story about it. But would experts think that there is no wood that would survive that long? That's likely the case. In ice, in water, in whatever. And also, I mean, if it was trapped in ice, like say on the side of Ararat, right, a glacier wouldn't have frozen it in place. It would have moved it down the mountain. That's what they say.

So what about Sulamon? Well, let's talk about the Ararat anomaly first, because that's pretty interesting. Okay, I'm sorry. I thought we already had. Did we? I guess not. I think we were about to. We took a step to the left. There are photos that were taken by the CIA back in the day. And I think it was, I think it was actually film as well. And they've got film frames now that they've released. They were classified and then released in 1999 under the Freedom of Information Act. And if you look at pictures, there's a dark spot. Yeah. And it looks like a big old boat. Yeah, it looks like a big old boat. And so they called that the Ararat anomaly, but most like experts claim, like you said, that it wouldn't just be stuck frozen up there. It would have moved

down from the mountain, not at 15,000 feet. No. And that's where George Jamal said he found it was on Ararat. Yeah. Okay. Which he'd never been to. Right. And then Mount Sulamon. That's the one in Iran. And that's been of particular interest to the Bible Archaeology Search and Exploration Institute. Did you see this one? I have not. Does it look like it too? It looks like a, I mean, it's rock. Well, they're saying like, yeah, it looks like it's rock, but it's actually petrified wood. But it's not. The big problem is it's missing like obvious cuts and joints and evidence that it was a man made wooden structure at some point in time. Yeah, there's a Christian apologetics group called Answers in Genesis that you can find on the internet. And they even came

out and were like, I think officially they didn't have an official comment, but they said, you know, even Christian creationist geologists say that it's a rock formation and this kind of stuff, if you push it just makes us look bad. Gotcha. But they still said, but you never know. No. Right. Yeah. Right. But it is in the shape of a boat ish. That's cool. Of roughly the same size. That's very neat. Yeah. So it's still out there possibly. I like Ballard's approach. He's like, I'm not looking for the Arkman. I'm looking for evidence that this flood took place and there are people around to witness it. Yeah. If I find the boat, awesome. If not, whatever. And everyone else can just duke it out. Yeah, exactly. I find it interesting. I did too. I sit ringside. Oh,

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