Stuff You Should Know - How Willpower Works

Episode Date: February 8, 2013

You use it every day to overcome your lower self (which wants you to eat cake until your vision blurs) in pursuit of the goals of your higher self (which wants you to not develop Type-II diabetes). Yet it was only in the 1990s that researchers began to understand what makes our willpower and how it behaves. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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not Plato. Right. And Plato decided, well, suggested, that the entire human experience, the sum of human existence could be basically nailed down with just this. You have a higher self and a lower self. Yeah. And your purpose for living is to overcome the usually more powerful urges of the lower self in order to fulfill the goals of the higher self. I am down with that 100%. It makes uttering complete sense. I don't know about the reason for living, but the struggle, man's struggle, or at least. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Like that's if you are born, you are going to face that. Yeah. But you're going to face it in varying degrees, because as we found willpower, which is what you use to get over your lower urges and pursue your higher goals, it comes in differing

amounts for differing people, different people. Yeah. And Robert Lam wrote the original article from House of Works. Yeah. From Stuff to Blow Your Mind. And he points out that we're at odds with our own nature as we have evolved here on the planet because we craved sugary sweet things because sugar gave us lots of energy back in the day. And back in the day, they didn't have little Debbie cakes within hands reach at all times. Yeah. So we're sort of at odds with ourselves. And he points out sexually as well. We evolved to spread the seed and procreate as much as possible to ensure the survival of the species. Right. And nowadays, you can't really do that stuff. Or if you do, you're a flanderer or a jerk or you're spreading disease. Right. You're a public health

nuisance. Yeah. So we're at odds with ourselves with our very existence. Yeah. And not only internally, but you make the point as a society as well. I mean, society and evolution tussles. So you can make the case that society represents our higher self and what we are basic instincts that we've evolved to our lower selves. So that's what's going on. And it's willpower, willpower, that will get us over the bumps that come along in life inevitably. Yeah. And I think most people relate willpower to things like eating or going to the gym or indulging in sexual proclivities and things like that. But I think it's broader than that in general. I think it's the will to, like Plato said, to strive to, I guess, do the right thing. Yeah. By yourself, by others,

by society at large. Right. And I guess also how often you come up against that, how often you have to exercise willpower because you just hit it on the head. Willpower is the act of making a decision. Yeah. You're deciding to do something or not to do something. How often you do that, it does depend on how you define the world around you. Yeah. Like, are these things, you know, are you surrounded by temptations that you have to ward off all the time and you're paying attention to it and they're always closing in? If you would like that, then you're going to exercise your willpower a lot. If you don't see the world as temptation, you give in to them all the time, you're not going to. If you look at the world as something that you can handle, you're probably not going to have to

exercise your willpower too much then either. Yeah. But it's all, they're all, those are three different ways of living and they all are, I guess, described by willpower and how you use it. Yeah. That's a good point. Robert makes a point that is backed up somewhat by science, or actually completely by science. Yeah. And he puts in terms of a video game, which makes sense, that if you were a video game and you have a willpower meter, that willpower meter is replenished and depleted on a daily, probably hourly basis. And the more you use your willpower and say, you know what, I'm not going to have that little Debbie cake, your little willpower meter goes down and it depletes itself. So you're not going to have as much willpower maybe for the next

decision. Right. It's really interesting. Yeah. That's pretty new. Our understanding of willpower like that is very new. The first guy to really kind of put it out like that was Freud. And he basically said, we have this thing called willpower. We have an ego. Yeah. That's what the Freudians associate with willpower is the ego. Sure. And your ego is this finite thing. It has a finite energy reserve. It uses energy and therefore it can be sapped. And then Freud fell out of fashion and everybody just kind of stopped looking at willpower that way. Yeah. And it wasn't until 1996 when a Florida State University psychologist named Roy Baumeister, the Balmer, he figured out through this test using chocolate and radishes, I believe, that if you are staving off temptation

using willpower, you actually do terribly on like another test of willpower. Yeah. They used persistence tests, basically puzzles that you have to just keep at it and keep at it. It's not something you could complete immediately and offered some people chocolate chip cookies and other chocolate treats of their liking and offered other people radishes instead, which is not a fair fight. No. I mean, he really stacked the deck. Like maybe a radish, a shaved radish in a salad or something. Right. But if all you're looking at is a plate of radish, then yeah, I would take the cookie. So what he found out, though, was the people who ate the radishes had more trouble completing the test, I guess, because I guess the idea is they're using up all their willpower

to not eat the cookie so they don't have time for the test. Yeah. The persistence. And there was also another kind of follow-up study a few years after that by the University of Iowa professor with the greatest name of all of the faculty there, Baba Shiv. Yeah. And Dr. Shiv had a basically tested willpower by saying, this group's going to remember a two-digit number. Yeah. And this group's going to remember a seven-digit number. And then we're going to test their willpower by tempting them with chocolate cake. Right. And Dr. Shiv found that there was the people who were using their working memory, their cognitive capacity to remember the seven-digit number had a harder time resisting. So it basically proves that we use our working memory to resist

temptation. And I guess it's something like reminding yourself at the forefront of your mind not to do something until the temptation pass. Who knows? Yeah. Maybe I had that cookie yesterday, so man, I can't eat it today. Or we use our working memory to remind ourselves of our long term goals in the face of a short-term reward. Well, that's one of the big keys, I think. Yeah. And that's something Robert hits on, which is I want that cookie now. And I know Bikini season's coming up. And you've seen me in a bikini, Josh. It's not pretty. I will never get that out of my memory, working memory or otherwise. Yellow polka dot bikini. But that's sort of what we're at odds with is the short-term, I think humans as a group tend to enjoy the short-term pleasures.

And if you truly learn to conquer that in lieu of long-term gain, that's when you're like, you're winning, as Charlie Sheen would say. Right, exactly. Although Charlie Sheen's not exactly one who's known to exercise the willpower. No. You know? That was a really odd person to tap for that. Well, I think that's the opposite. He thought winning was the short-term gain. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. And that is so dated. People are like, when do you guys record this? But it's been, I think, today might be the very day where you could get away with it. Okay. So it was perfect, by the way. So from all these tests, like when Baumeister put his 1996 study, ego depletion colon, is the active self a limited resource?

Yeah. It just basically kicked off the slew of follow-up studies from Dr. Schiff and others. And one of the things that they found was that you can kind of watch people exercise willpower on the old Wonder Machine. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Using MRIs, they put people in and had them think about, I guess, a sweet or a health food. Oh, right. And decide between them. Is it Caltech? Yeah. And they found that the ventromedial prefrontal cortex lights up when you're making that decision when you're considering it, which made sense. I think they kind of expected that. Yeah. But they were also surprised to find that the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex, which is located a little further back, that lit up as well. And they think

that that has to do with... Well, that lit up for the people who made the good decision only. Thank you. Right. And they think that that's maybe part of your... That's part of the working memory where you're like, no, I can't eat that because this, that's tapping into that higher self-goal pursuit. That's the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex. Right. You did a nice job there, by the way. Thanks. The war on drugs impacts everyone, whether or not you take drugs. America's public enemy, number one, is drug abuse. This podcast is going to show you the truth behind the war on drugs. They told me that I would be charged for conspiracy to distribute 2,200 pounds of marijuana.

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Right. Do you do this? After reading this, I started to realize that I actually kind of exercise willpower all the time. I think you especially do. So like, for example, I have a mail key that I used to go get the mail, right? And we keep it in our car. Gotcha. And I had to go to the car and get the mail key and then go get the mail and it was cold out yesterday. And then on the way back, I could have just taken the mail key inside with me and taken it back to the car the next time I went to the car. Again, it was very cold. But instead I walked up a flight of stairs, put the mail key into the car and then went back home.

So you made that decision and you struggled with it even in a minor way? Yes. I did it specifically because there was no reason whatsoever for me to do that. Rationally and as far as common sense went, there was no purpose to it. But by doing it, I basically just exercised my willpower. It was something I didn't really want to do, but it wasn't a big deal. But I could, like doing that, accumulate. Yeah. I think you and I are really different in that way. I see you as someone who actively works that muscle a lot on a daily basis and I don't enough. And not that I just have no willpower, but I don't give decisions like that enough consideration. Does that make

sense? Completely. Yeah. I'll just go upstairs and throw the key on the coffee table. Which a sane person kind of has that thought. I think that puts you in the same camp. Yeah. But that didn't ensure that I'm making good decisions for my life. Oh, yeah. No. But I mean, I don't think you're making bad ones, but it's good to self-reflect, you know? Yeah. I do kind of, it's kind of fun, you know? It's like a game. Yeah. Yeah. I want, you know, it's like, how ramrod strict can I stay in, you know? That's what I'm building toward. So another thing Robert points out from the science side of things is, as far as giving into the short term in favor of the long term is glucose plays a big part in that. And I think

they found that a quick shot of sugar, I don't think a whole lot, can sometimes stave off or build up that willpower reserve in the short term. Yeah. Yeah. It's like you were talking about how we have like a willpower bar. Yeah. And every time we resist temptation, it's depleted a little more and more. They found that a shot of glucose replenishes that willpower bar. So is that in lieu of like, hey, boy, I really want that cupcake, but let me have the juice box instead. That's the irony of it is giving into that cupcake may help you exercise your willpower with other stuff later on. Isn't that weird? Okay. But yeah, I mean, if you had something healthier, that would be the better choice. But the point is, is like any kind of shot of glucose has been shown

to, to, to re-up your, your willpower. Gotcha. And this was very much poo pooed at first, this idea. I think Bowmeister, there's this really great article by John Tierney in New York Times magazine. It's from the August before last. It's called, Do You Suffer from Decision Fatigue? Our buddy, Chad, loves this. Oh yeah. He proselytized this article. Remember? Oh yeah. Yeah. Okay. This is the one. Okay. So I strongly recommend everybody go read it. It's a good one. But in it, it talks about Bowmeister, like thinking that, you know, glucose has something to do with this. And it was poo pooed at first because everybody knows the brain uses the same amount of energy pretty much all day long. Yeah. So it didn't make any sense. Like if you're, if you're ego depleted and you're,

you're suffering from some sort of willpower fatigue, but your brain still using the same amount of energy, those two don't jibe. Right. Again, with the MRI, what they found was somebody suffering from ego depletion, from willpower fatigue, who took a shot of glucose or whatever. Yeah. Their brains lit up in areas that had to do with exercising willpower. So while your brain was using the same amount of energy, it was using them in different places when your willpower was fatigued and that glucose basically was like spinach to Popeye for that part of your brain that's charged with exercising willpower. Interesting. Isn't it? Yeah. So what do you carry on a packet of sugar with you at all times? I'm on so much sugar right now. Yeah. Also,

in that same article, they talk about this, this kind of landmark study of an Israeli parole board and they found that you, if you were a parolee and you came to them after it had been a while since a break or lunch or breakfast, your chances of being parole dropped by like 50 or 60%. Oh, if the parole board had not had breakfast? Yes. Oh, or no, if they, if you came to them like right after things got started, after breakfast or after lunch, your chances of being parole were like 50 to 60% greater than people who came to them for identical crimes. Yeah. Like a couple hours later. I'm sure that makes the criminals of the world feel pretty great. Yeah, exactly. So arbitrary. And what they found is it's not laziness, it's not like physical fatigue.

Yeah. Where like you can tell you're tired. What our brains do is they employ the strategy where you you, you become risk averse, like you don't want to make a decision. So you say, you know what, I'm just going to put this off. You're going to go back to jail. I'm not going to grant you parole because that's risky behavior to let you back out in the world. And I'm just, I've made too many decisions today, but you're not thinking this. They just say parole denying you have no idea why. Yeah, it just makes sense to you at the time. But if you had had some glucose, that same instance, you may, you may be like, well, yeah, I think you're, you're ready to come back out in society. That reminds me of the Ben Rush. Yes. That we talked about before. Of course. I remember

this from when I was a teenager. You know the lyric, man, what song is it? If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice. Free will. Oh yeah. That's from that song, of course. Yeah. I think on the original album jacket, it says, if you choose not to decide, you cannot have made a choice. Is that right? Yeah. My brother and I used to laugh that, I think Neil Pert actually wrote a lot of the lyrics back then. Yeah. That Getty Lee just like, you know, etched it out with the pencil. Right. But it's the complete opposite meaning. So it's interesting that at some point, Rush, I guess had maybe a band argument or something. I'm glad Getty Lee won. Yeah. You have made a choice. No, you cannot have made a choice. Right. Just shut up and play drums. Your voice is weird.

I remember hearing that the first time I was like, oh man. Oh yeah, blew me away. Yeah. Yeah. Free will. I can't believe I didn't remember the name. Yeah, you're like, I can't think of the name of the song, but it's about free will. Yeah. Was it Red Barchetta? All right. What else we got? Oh, I didn't really fully get the Stanford psychologist, Walton and Dweck. And that is Dweck. It sounds like I'm saying direct wrong. I didn't fully get that. They said that people who have willpower fatigue tend to slack off when they felt their resolve wavering, but then people who felt their resolve was limitless pressed on. I don't get the point there. It seems like a no-brainer.

Yeah. I think it is. You may just be looking too deeply. It's like what I was talking about earlier at the beginning where like depending on how you see the world, like do you see the world as like you have willpower so you can overcome any temptation, you're going to last longer on tests of willpower than somebody who is like, I'm feeling kind of weak today. Gotcha. And then you're just going to give in. Okay. So it is pretty simple. Yeah. All right. I thought it was a dummy. Not only is it simple, I managed to make it more complex and talk about it at length. Okay. They do know that people generally there is some genetic component involved, like if your parents are super self-disciplined, then you are more likely to turn out that way.

Right. I found that to be true from friends of mine whose parents were like super self-disciplined and their kids kind of turned out that way too. Yeah, but I wonder and Robert makes a point in the article like is it genetic or epigenetic? Yeah, I don't know. Probably both. Yeah, I would think so. That'd be my guess. We just chose not to decide. We cannot have made a choice. And then the old marshmallow experiment, this Stanford, not the prison experiment, but the marshmallow experiment. Yeah. From the 1960s, a very famous one where they placed these, tortured these kids basically by placing a marshmallow in front of them and saying, if you hold off on eating that marshmallow in 15 minutes, you will have two. And of course,

not many of the kids could hold out, but they found that the ones who did hold out for the second marshmallow went on in life to greater successes, at least if you count SAT scores as a measure of success, 210 points higher than the ones who chowed down on the marshmallow. And the ones who ate the marshmallow later on had struggles with relationships and stress and attention. Yeah. So I wonder if that has anything to do with like, you know, OCD. I wonder as well. I wonder how much of our modern problems are really just crises of willpower. Yeah. I wonder. There was a follow up to that 60s experiment. There's been a bunch, but there was one at the University of Rochester that was carried out last year that found we are more

willing to exercise willpower if we think that what we're holding out for is actually going to happen. Yeah. You know, and they did that by, this is hilarious. It's funny. Studies with kids are always, they're so cruel and funny. I mean, not the really truly cruel ones, but like any psychological study that has to do with kids almost invariably has some cruel aspect to it. And this one was no exception. Basically, they said, here's the control group. Here's the experimental group and the control group. We want to give you some extra art supplies. Let us go get them. And they came back with some extra art supplies. Yeah. The experimental group, they said, Hey, we're going to get you some more art supplies. We'll be right back. And they came back. They're

like, we don't have any more art supplies. We know you were really excited, but sorry, you're going to have to make do with that old red pen. Yeah. And then they tested them with the marshmallow experiment and found that the ones who had gotten the art supplies, the promise hadn't been broken. Sure. They held out longer than the ones who had been lied to. Yeah. They're like, screw that. You're not bringing me to marshmallows. I'm eating this marshmallow right now. Exactly. I'm going to kick you in the shin afterward too. I'll show you. Yeah. That's not cruel on the level. What was that one, the one kid, remember the, that we talked about that was tested on like, oh, kept in a closet? No, they tested fear conditioning and extinction in the

kid. It was a little Albert. Yeah. A little Albert. Where they like, they would put a bunny in his lap and then bang a bar of metal with a hammer and scare the bejesus out of him. That's right. And he came to like fear rabbits. And there was a search form, right? And they eventually found him. They thought. I think so. I don't remember. I wrote a blog post that I'll have to republish or whatever because it's been a while. I don't remember, but yeah, they figured out who it was pretty much. So this isn't on that level. No, no, no. This is just marshmallows. Yes, it is. So, oh, there was one other point I wanted to bring up that I thought was pretty interesting and horrible from that John Tierney article where with, with decision fatigue, with exercising willpower,

yeah, disproportionately affects the poor. And they think that possibly now that poverty exists in a cycle because if you're a poor person, you have to exercise willpower. You have to make more decisions than somebody who has more resources, more money. Like say, you're walking through the grocery store. You know, I want the soap and this food. If you're poor, you might have to say, I want both, but I have to just buy one. I don't have enough for both. So how much is it going to be? And their willpower, their resources of willpower of decision making become fatigued a lot faster because they have to exercise it a lot more and they don't have the resources to get themselves out of poverty. To indulge. Or to study or do more that they already have the

deck stacked against them resource-wise, but then you throw in this idea of willpower possibly that makes it even more difficult. Yeah. Boy, I never really thought about that. Yeah. It's pretty interesting stuff. It makes you feel for them even more. Yeah. And it makes me feel bad when I say, do I want the peanut butter ganache cupcake or the chocolate? You know what? Just go ahead and give me both. Exactly. Well, you can buy both and then just take one to somebody who's struggling in the grocery store trying to figure out if they're going to buy soap or food. That's a good idea. Yeah. The war on drugs impacts everyone, whether or not you take drugs. America's public enemy number

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