Stuff You Should Know - How Zero Works

Episode Date: February 14, 2012

Few numbers have as storied a past as zero. Even fewer have had as great an impact on our ability to understand our universe. Yet zero is a relatively recent arrival in math. Find out all about this s...urprisingly fascinating number with Chuck and Josh. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:45 like what we would call a jack move or being robbed. They call civil acid work. Be sure to listen to The War on Drugs on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Brought to you by the reinvented 2012 Camry. It's ready, are you? Welcome to Stuff You Should Know from HowStuffWorks.com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and this is a rare, unusual, mathematical episode of Stuff You Should Know. Yes, and I'm just going to step out of the room, and I'll be back in what, 25 minutes?
Starting point is 00:01:33 I think you're going to do this. This is not going to be another yo-yo episode. Oh, I just hate math. This is not math heavy at all. It's about the history of zero. It's about the weirdness of zero. My hero's zero. Exactly. So you came along, people counted on their fingers and toes. I posted that today on Facebook. I don't know what that is. The school house rock. I don't remember that. My hero's zero. I don't remember that one. Till you came along. Keep going. They counted on their fingers and toes. It's basically, you would appreciate it, because it sings what you wrote. Oh, that's great. In a much more basic way, but basically trying to teach kids how amazing zero is, and don't discount it as just, it's a number. It's not
Starting point is 00:02:18 the absence of something. Well, there's a lot. There's a bunch to it. It's many, many things. It's a multifaceted number. Not now. It's a multifaceted entity. Zilch. Zilch. Well, Noel is German for zero. Did you know that? Bupkis. Yeah. Bupkis is, I believe, Spanish for zero. Zilch. Zilch is Cajun. I did actually get a little etymology research. Originally, Sanskrit was Sonia, which meant empty. Then later, Arabic was Saphira or nothing. Then Italian was Saphiro, and then finally, French gave us zero. Zero. Right. And it wasn't, you know, we represent zero as something that looks
Starting point is 00:03:02 confusingly like an O. Yeah. Right. That was the Europeans who did that. Prior to that, the Arabs, and I believe the Indians too, represented zero with a heavy dot. You know where that might have come from? Where? Robert Kaplan's book, The Nothing That Is, A Natural History of Zero, he speculates that the shape comes from the round depression left in the sand, a sand counting board, once you remove a stone from it. Wow. So the absence would be a round thing. That's what he thinks. He speculates. But that wouldn't have been the Europeans. It was the Europeans that came up with that. Well, no, but you said like a heavy dot. Yeah. A heavy dot. But a solid dot. Could be the depression where a stone was in sand.
Starting point is 00:03:51 That's a good one. Who was that? Robert Kaplan. Thanks, Mr. Kaplan. Well, I guess I feel like we've kind of done a pretty good setup here, Chuck. I think so, too. We've talked about how zero is multifaceted. And we talked about the Arabs and the Indians. Right. Yeah. And we have to go back even further to first find when zero made itself known. Should we get the way back machine? Let's. I think let's blow the dust off of this thing. Sorry. Wow. That was right at you. You think this thing still works? Let's find out. You ready? Yeah. Hey, look at there. Wow. Lit up like a flux capacitor. This is nice.
Starting point is 00:04:38 Nice. We're back in ancient Sumer. And these baked clay tablets haven't even been baked yet. They're still wet. Look. Wow. J-O-S-H was here. Cool. So, Chuck, if you'll look at this clay tablet, do you see these two diagonal lines? Yeah, those little wedges. Yeah. Those, my friend, represent nothing. Really? And the reason they're there is because around about this time, somebody figured out they ran into a problem and when they were making some sort of tax record or grain inventory that, you know, showing that basically writing out 3,000 lines for the 3,000 heads of cattle, that doesn't make any sense. But let's say you have 300, you have 3,000 heads of cattle and all you have are the ways to represent 300 heads of cattle.
Starting point is 00:05:36 There's a big difference, right? There's an extra digit in there and that those two diagonal lines were used to represent one of those digits when there was not any digits there, but there's something to the left of it and something to the right of it. That's right. And Kaplan also said that before that even, they just would leave a blank space sometimes before they even came up with the little wedges. Right. So what this is all based on is basically our numerical system where if you look at a string of numbers, right? Yeah. Starting from the right, you have the ones column, the tens column, the hundreds, the thousands, the 10,000s, the 100,000s and so on. You want me to keep going? Add infinitum. Right. Yes. And in each of these
Starting point is 00:06:23 columns, there may or may not be numbers present. So when there are numbers present, we have our friend zero to serve as what's considered a placeholder. Yeah. Makes, I mean, it's very easy to just say, well, the now, but way back then before there was a zero, that, you know, we take it very much for granted. Yeah. This is huge. This changed everything. Changed everything. All of a sudden now, because I mean, we said there's a big difference between 3,000 head of cattle and 300 head of cattle. And by putting a zero there, right? Saying this, this column is represented. There's just not any in here. You're not going to find the two cattle that should be in this. Right. That changed everything. It changed everything. I think there
Starting point is 00:07:07 was frustrating before that. Yeah. You're like, if only there was something to put there. Yeah. And I guess when they just like, just trust me, I have 3,000 cattle. Okay. And I guess when they left the blank space, that got confusing because they could have thought it was an error. So they figured we have to put something there. So they know it's not just an oversight. Right. Exactly. And it's the diagonal lines. Well, in this, I think before it even became that standardized, it was, they use different things because they found a tablet from 700 BC and a dude used three little hooks to represent zero. Well, that would have been after that because the Sumerians were doing this like 5,000 years ago. Well, it's probably hard to get the word around.
Starting point is 00:07:50 Three hooks. What is this crud? Exactly. So the Sumerians are the first documented to come up or stumble upon zero as a placeholder. Sure. And then it was codified with the invention of the abacus, which uses our numerical column system that we use today, which is invented by the Babylonians about 300, 500 BC. Wow. Right. Smart folks back then. So we have zero as a placeholder. We have this understanding now that there's something out there like we can represent nothingness. Yeah. But it wasn't until the 5th century AD in India where zero first comes about as a concept as a number, which is equally groundbreaking. Yeah. On this nothingness, we should point out was not something that people were comfortable with back then.
Starting point is 00:08:39 True. Oddly, now it seems odd. But to have something represent nothing made people very uncomfortable. It was associated with chaos and the great void and even the sign of the devil. Yes, it was. Well, I mean, if you look at the Christian theology, the void, which is represented by zero or nothingness, was the state of the universe before the creation of man, humans. Sure. Seeks feel the same way too, although I don't know how they felt about zero. Oh, really? But that's their conception as well. There was nothing. There was void. And then also void fits well with chaos, which is the Christian conception of hell. Right. No one's in charge. Right. So yeah, it was avoided. I don't know. I went back and looked,
Starting point is 00:09:29 Chuck, after I wrote this article. When we were studying today, I went back and looked and I didn't find a lot of support for that. I didn't either. I did see that during the Dark Ages, monks kind of were probably, they feared zero. Well, Kaplan mentioned it in his book, so. But I mean, it was out there, but there's no, well, these people did this. They killed this guy for saying the word zero. There was nothing like that out there. I think more to the point, it was the Romans who just didn't use zero, and the West was built by Rome. And that's, I think, where the shunning of zero came from. Not necessarily from fear, but just because the Roman numeral system doesn't have zero. Yeah, I found where they flirted with it at first,
Starting point is 00:10:17 with the nulla, N-U-L-L-A, which they would represent with a little N, but it clearly didn't take. No. They said, we're not going to use it as zero. No. Why would we ever need zero? We don't need it as zero. Right. Did they talk like that back then, too? Yeah, like Vinnie from Brooklyn? Sure. I think so. So where are we in India? Yeah, we're in the 5th century AD in India, and a guy named Ariyabhada, Ariyabhada, is possibly the person who invented zero. Really? Possibly. Or discovered, as you like to say? Thank you. Yes. Thank you for correcting me with my own words. That's weird, isn't it? Well, they're your articles. So it is pretty much universally accepted that zero was created
Starting point is 00:11:10 or discovered in India, and then it spread pretty quickly over to Islamic nations, Arab nations. And it was the Arabs who taught a guy named Fibonacci, Leonardo of Pisa, who was a great mathematician of the West in, I think, the 12th century or the 13th century. You know, people are going to say, do the Fibonacci number. Go ahead. Well, no, no, no. People are going to ask for that podcast. Oh, okay. In fact, they've already been asking for that podcast. Do you want to do that one? Yeah. Do you want to? Maybe. Probably not. Well, Fibonacci was the son of a customs officer in Algeria, Chuck. Yes. And he had Arabic tutors, and they said, hey kid, we're going to teach you how to really do math, because by this time,
Starting point is 00:12:03 by the, I think the 1200s or the 1100s of the 12th century, the Arabs were very well versed in mathematics, and the West was still just complete idiots. Fortunately, Fibonacci was over there getting tutored, and he figured out, wow, this is really, really important, and introduced our Arabic numeral system, which we use today to the West through a book. So you said he wrote a book. Did he write the book? No, he wasn't the only one. Okay. Oh, okay. No, that's not true. For the West, yes, he wrote the book, and then other people wrote treatises on his book. Okay. So he pretty much set the basis. Yes. Okay. He was the, the, the fulcrum, the hinge between West and Middle East. A zero is a fulcrum. Yes, it is. Interesting.
Starting point is 00:12:52 So he was the one who introduced it to the West. But again, I mean, we say that because we're Western writers, Chuck, but it was very well established for hundreds of years by the time Fibonacci heard about zero. Yeah. And you also point out, interestingly, that simultaneously, and completely independently of India, in Central America, the Maya were also beginning or already using zero. Yeah. To mainly for their calendar, right? Yeah. It was their, it was the base of counting, which makes sense. It totally makes sense. And it makes for a more accurate calendar, right? Sure. So like for Mayan calendars, like the day of the month would be zero day, and one day, then two day, then three day, and so on. How would you say that though?
Starting point is 00:13:35 Because you say first, second, third, how would you say? They had, they had different names for the day, like Zool. Okay. Would be Zool or, you know, Maan or something like that. It was like, rather than first, second, third, they didn't have numerals like that. Right. Like first, second, third, that's Arabic. Right. So to the Maya, it was like Zool day. Isn't that Ghostbusters? I think so. Okay. But that was what Sumerian. Oh, yeah. Zool was Sumerian. It's all coming together. So that does make for a lot more accurate counting. And that's one of the big flaws in our calendar, the Gregorian calendar, is that there is no zero year. Well, and we all got that pointed out to us quite through the media, especially when the millennium turned. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:22 Because there's no year zero, our decades and our centuries and our millennia actually occur at the end of that year and not the beginning, like when the clock struck midnight at 2000, we all went, yay, new millennium. Yeah. Not so. And we still had a year left. That's right. Have we started counting from zero? Then, yeah, in January 1st, 2000. Yeah. That would have been the start of the new millennium. But we started counting from one. So one to 2000 is 1999 years rather than 2000 years. And there was one guy in every bar trying to point out to as many people as he could. Do you realize it's not even true? And he's like, why isn't anyone buying me drinks? So crazy. Why are they going to beat me up? Yeah. And I put a little notation in there
Starting point is 00:15:10 because I have trouble wrapping my head around that sometimes. But the point is, is there's 10 single digit numbers in the Arabic numerical system that we use. Yes. And it's zero through nine. Anything beyond that is in the tens column or above. And thanks to zero, we have a 10 column. Exactly. The war on drugs impacts everyone, whether or not you take drugs. America's public enemy number one is drug abuse. This podcast is going to show you the truth behind the war on drugs. They told me that I would be charged for conspiracy to distribute 2,200 pounds of marijuana. Yeah. And they can do that without any drugs on the table. Without any drugs. Of course, yes, they can do that. And I'm the prime example of that. The war on drugs is the excuse our government
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Starting point is 00:17:46 below that would either be plus or minus. So BC or AD. Right. So two AD would be minus one, or no, two BC would be minus one BC. Yes. Since we're not living in AD, they just kind of screwed with the BC a little bit. So right now we're in plus 2012. Yes, which also makes, I mean, it's not just calendars. I mean, zero lies between negative one and one and serves as a fulcrum point for basically all numbering positive and negative. And that was Jacques Cassini who came up with that astronomical calendar. Oh, those Italians are all up on this stuff, weren't they? Yeah, it's not going to be French, but yeah, it is an Italian. Well, Jacques though. Yeah, who knows, maybe Northern Italian. Yeah, exactly. But yeah, so he basically said, well, wait, why don't we just
Starting point is 00:18:38 choose one year to be zero, and then we'll just basically make it, we'll make the calendar based on zero's rightful place of numbering, which is precisely between one and negative one. There's a zero there. It doesn't just go from negative one to one. Zero is like you said, the fulcrum of all numbers. It spreads out infinitely on either side. So it's not positive, and it's not negative. And so it's the only number that is non positive and non negative, but it's neither a positive number nor a negative number. Wrap your head around that one. Yeah. All you college students sitting around here at midnight just gaze up at the stars and try and figure that out. Start counting. Start counting. It's also an integer, a whole number, right?
Starting point is 00:19:18 Yes, and it's very handy when it comes up to ratios and fractions because a fraction can be written in a couple of ways, either with the one on top of the other or with a little decimal point. Yes. And without those zeros, you wouldn't be able to do that. No. So this decimal system, basically, you can look at it as anything to the right of the decimal. Yes. So the tens, the hundreds, the thousandths, right? The th's. Tenths, hundreds. Thank you. Yeah, you're getting as bad as me, Chuck. Those are all encapsulated in that zero that's up to positive one, right? Yeah, because it's less than a whole one, but it's not so much that it's negative one. Right. It's encapsulated by that zero. So all of these ratios, all of the decimal system,
Starting point is 00:20:10 gives us these incredibly precise numbers, whereas we can count in whole numbers to the right of zero and positive whole numbers that just goes on and on and on and measures the vastness of the universe. Right. To go the other way, to go in this infinite decimal system that's encapsulated within zero, lets you measure the infinitesimal, right? Yeah. So it's not like, oh, it's between two and three. Right. I mean, try making like high quality machine parts using whole numbers. Yeah. You can't. No, it can't be done. So there's all sorts of things that would have never taken place had zero not given rise to the decimal system. Or everything would be really big. Yeah. You know, everything could be like twice as large. Like the 10,000 year clock wouldn't
Starting point is 00:20:52 even work. Remember, they were using like fractions of an inch that still wouldn't work. That's true. Um, what else, Chuck? Well, you point out very astutely some odd properties of zero. Yeah. And they are actually called the properties of zero, because it's such a weird number that you have to have properties to explain it. Exactly. So the, which is first one called as the additive property of zero, addition property. Yeah. Add zero to anything and you're going to get that same thing. This sounds very basic. Same as subtracting. Sure. Five plus zero is five. Right. Five minus zero is five. Right. And it is very basic, but zero is the only number that doesn't affect another number when it's added or subtracted to it, which is important. It is.
Starting point is 00:21:37 Anytime a number is the only thing of its kind, it's worth mentioning. Like pie. There's, um, which, by the way, wouldn't exist without zero in the decimal system or any of those other wouldn't exist to us. Yeah, true. Um, there's the additive inverse property of zero where any numbers that add up to zero are additive inverses of one another. So negative five plus positive five, or just five, as they call it in positive land equals zero. So negative five and five are additive inverses of one another. Multiplying from the time you're, I think I learned in the second grade, my multiplication tables, if I remember correctly, Ms. Anderson, Ms. Temple. Thank you very much. Very good, Chuck. Uh, they taught me that if you multiply any number by zero, you're going to get
Starting point is 00:22:27 zero. And as you point out that multiplication is really just a quicker way of adding things. It's like a shortcut. Yeah, it's a shortcut. So, uh, the idea that a number can be added zero times, uh, or that zero can be added to itself. That's when I get the most. Yeah, it's just doesn't make any sense. Like you, like five times zero doesn't mean zero plus zero plus zero plus zero plus zero. That doesn't mean anything. Right. Zero. Yeah. Right. What about dividing by zero? Zero. Let me ask you. No, let me ask you. This is the part where I was like, what? Nobody understands this. Okay. I don't feel very bad about this because no one really understands it. Um, there's no, so there's the, these other properties of zero that cover like additive
Starting point is 00:23:12 inverse addition, subtraction, multiplication. There is no property that says why you can't divide by zero because it's so nonsensical. Right. It doesn't even exist. The concept of dividing by zero doesn't really actually exist except in, you know, the imagination of people. I bet mathematicians have tried though, like frustratingly tried. You can't. There's nothing you can do. And they don't even fully understand why, but the, um, the best explanation that I saw was that it has to do kind of with the multiplication property. Right. To where if you divide something, so like six divided by two equals three. So if you can divide a number, um, the result of that number by the divisor. So in this case, three and two
Starting point is 00:24:01 multiplied by one another should equal the dividend, which is six. Right. Now, if you divide six by zero, right, it doesn't equal anything. It should equal zero if you multiply it. It's not going to equal two. Right. Uh, that's the best example I could come up with. Yeah, that makes sense though. It shouldn't. Well, I mean, you're completely insane. It makes sense that it doesn't make sense. Okay. That's what I'm saying. And, uh, Stephen Wright had a joke. He said that black holes are where God tried to divide by zero. Wow. You like that? That's good. Stephen Wright is, uh, I still did that his one bit sometimes when, um, people get in the car with me. I say, Hey, put your seatbelt on. I want to try something. That was one of his jokes.
Starting point is 00:24:47 Nice. He's like, just try that whenever someone gets in a car. He's good. Yeah. Um, and then also there's the property of zero exponent, which also doesn't make any sense. Chuck, there's, um, you know, there's negative exponents, like numbers to the negative power. Ten to the negative five. Yes. Yeah. Because of this, mathematically it works out, but I don't understand it. Um, numbers to the zero power equal one. It doesn't make any sense because zero multiplied by something should equal zero, not one. Yeah. That's how it works out though. It's a magical mysterious number. My hero zero. The war on drugs impacts everyone, whether or not you take drugs. America's public enemy number one is drug abuse. This podcast is going to show you the truth behind the war on drugs.
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Starting point is 00:27:53 the ground floor is zero and any floor beneath that is a negative number. Really? Like the basement parking? Like a slippery parking? Negative one, negative two. Isn't that cool? And apparently that's because of the presence of the Turks who were there for a while. Wow. Yeah. I mean, they didn't have elevators then, but apparently you don't see a floor zero in the west. No, you don't. We just don't like zero that much. Or a 413. Right? Although it is 13. We've had that talk before, I think. We have. Yeah. What do we have here? P1, P2 in our building? Yeah. That's so boring. Definitely not negatives. Let's say that from now on. Like what lobby parked on? I'm on negative four. Yeah. I will say that. What? I will say that right now. I'm on
Starting point is 00:28:37 negative three. I'm on negative two. I was here early. Go and check. And also, let's see, you can type zero. You got anything else? You're just happy to be done with this one? No, this was actually really good. I don't know about that. Zero is my hero. Three is the magic number. If you type in zero and this is the search bar at howstuffworks.com, it will bring up this article, including a cool little story that we didn't get to about a great pair. True. And also, I highly encourage you, if this even piqued your interest at all, I highly encourage you to read zero in four dimensions, which is an article you can find online from 2002 by a guy named Hossain Arsham, and he explains in much greater depth and detail like zero and what's so cool about it. Or if you want to really
Starting point is 00:29:27 get into it, Robert Kaplan wrote a whole book on it, and I believe it comes with a length of rope and a buttress beam to hang yourself at the end. We should do one on three. All right. I pitched that article long time ago. Long time ago. I remember. On three. Yep. I remember. So those would be our two. I'd have to write it though, so I don't know if that'll ever happen. Get to it. I wrote this so we could do this. You're more of a man than me. I think at some point in the not too distant past, Chuck, I said search bar. Yes. So that means it's time for listening mail. Hold on, Josh. I think you have a quick announcement first. I do. I psyched myself out. It's crazy. Chuck, we are going to be in Austin, Texas on March 11th and 12th. It's Sunday and Monday
Starting point is 00:30:15 for South by Southwest Interactive, right? We are going to have our own panel. We're not even on a panel talking with some other schmoes about like Mashable or Twitter or the like. We are doing a live podcast like we did last year. Remember that how UFOs work one? They're really awkward, uncomfortable one. I started crying. We're going to do something like that. And we don't know what the topic is yet, but if you are a badge holder for South by Southwest, come see us. It's going to be on Sunday, March 11th at 3.30, hour long. We don't know where yet, but we will announce maybe on the internet like Twitter or Facebook. Sure. And on the show. We'll find out soon. Sure. Yeah. And if you aren't a badge holder at South by Southwest, but you like to go and just kick
Starting point is 00:31:02 around Austin, you'll be there on Monday. We're going to throw a party and we can't reveal really the details of that yet, but just know that we'll be in town and we'll be doing cool stuff. Okay. I think there will be live music. I think there will be live comedy and I think there will be some other special treats. Yes. Like those like Smarties, the roles of Smarties. We may have those for free. Yeah. They're good. They beat the tar out of Necco wafers, don't they? Oh yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's it for us making fun of old time and candy, which means it's time for listener mail. Indeed. I'm going to call this coffee, including coffee song from listener. Okay. This is from Ashley. Great work on the
Starting point is 00:31:42 coffee podcast Gents. I could have saved my last four years of work at a cafe just by listening to you all. Really though, it was a splendid way to spend my days getting to know the locals in downtown Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, North America. Have we entered the song yet? Because she rhymed a second ago. No, that is not the song. Okay. That's coming. That's great. She's just a rhymer by nature, I think. While I can't say I'm a total coffee snobber expert, I do have a thought on the old why Starbucks so bitter debate. I think that part of the taste comes from the number of beans used in the blend. For instance, at the cafe I used to run, we served both Milano coffee and then Umbria. I believe that each of these companies plus the coffee I now drink called Intelligencia
Starting point is 00:32:30 contains a blend of beans as many as 15 different kinds to create that smooth balance I really love in my Americanos. It's her last name, Starbucks. No, no, no. She's saying Starbucks doesn't use the blend. Oh, God. So it's more bitter. Her name is mom and pop. God's name. As far as I understand, Starbucks may use this view as one to three types of beans and their espresso blend. Like I said, I think this may be a part of the story, but not likely the whole story. On another note, since leaving the cafe, I now work with a group of software nerds who used to visit my cafe on a regular basis. So now I too get to go for coffee every day. It's one of the perks of the job, pun intended. We even have a little coffee song and she recorded this and sent it to us. So we're
Starting point is 00:33:19 going to play that right now. Coffee, coffee, coffee, coffee all day long. When I eat some coffee, I sing the coffee song. Well, that's the G-rated version I learned. This is the other version I learned a little bit later on. It goes like this. Coffee, coffee, coffee, coffee all day long. If I don't get my coffee, I'll punch Todd in the s***. So how about that, Josh? That was something else. Thank you, Ashley, for that. Yeah, thanks a lot. She says, as you can tell, we're a bit mad about our coffee drinking. It's the new smoke break for us. What? Where is that person from? She didn't say. Oh no, she did say. I'm sorry, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. Oh, that's right. Earth. That's right. Well, thank you very much for that. We appreciate you and your co-workers for making that
Starting point is 00:34:07 song, for listening, for drinking coffee, for caring. That's great. Yeah. If you have a song, Chuck, we get them from time to time, and I feel like we should be better about playing them. Yes. We want to hear it. You can, I guess, make it as like an MP3, MP4. MP3 is good. Right, Jerry? MP3. And you can send it to us. You can tweet to us and tell us it's on the way at S-Y-S-K podcast. You can go on to Facebook and tell us it's on the way at facebook.com. And you can actually send it to us at stuffpodcast at discovery.com. What? Discovery.com. Okay. That's stuffpodcast at discovery.com. For more on this and thousands of other topics, visit howstuffworks.com.
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