Stuff You Should Know - Is brain size related to intelligence?

Episode Date: July 8, 2014

The idea that the larger the brain, the higher the intelligence is an old one, but it's pretty much utterly false. Modern investigation into how the brain works suggests there's a lot more to take into account when comparing brain biology to intellect. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We've done difference between men and women's brains. Right. And now we're tackling brain size, which is sort of, it's on both of those a little bit. It does. But there's always new findings. So yeah, that's what I'm saying. If there's ever an ongoing sweet, it's got to be the brain man. All right. It's growing all the time. It's changing shape, changing size, changing connections. You could almost say that sweet is plastic. Plasticity, baby. Yeah, that's right. You sent me something that I think we should talk about first, Chuck. Okay. This is kind of like, this is just like a grab bag hodgepodge of loosely related studies that all find that we don't really know the answer to the question.

Like, does a big brain mean a smarter person? Yeah. Because there's a lot of different conflicting findings. Well, a few million years ago, our brain started growing a lot and that kind of timed out with becoming smarter and using tools and things. Right. So I mean, there's a little bit of, you call it evidence. Well, yeah, there's definitely some plenty of evidence. I think that's the confounding part is that there's plenty of evidence that, yes, as a brain grows, it is correlated to intelligence. Yeah. But then that's only holding true up to a point. Right. I sounded like a Soviet immigrant just then. Did you? That's only holding true up to a certain point. All right, y'all gov. Right. He's in Branson, Missouri, though. Did you know that? Oh, yeah.

I think he's got like his own restaurant or something. Well, he's on theater and I think all the theaters are food. Right. Buttery. We should go to Branson, man. I want to see what that place is all about. Okay. You know, yeah. I mean, it's a parade of stars. It's 1973. Right. You know, yeah. I bet your boy Ronnie Milsep is there. Yeah. If he doesn't have a place there, I'll bet he plays Branson fairly regularly. He sublets. He would play well there. Yeah, I bet. So Branson. Yeah. How did we even get on? Oh, yeah, the Russian thing. Sorry. Brain size. So brain size does correlate to intelligence to a certain extent, but you can point out like, well, a sperm whale has a 17 pound brain. Sure. Holy cow. It must be the smartest animal on the

planet. Well, it's not. Right. I'm sorry to tell you sperm whale fans that it's not the smartest animal on the planet. Humans are the smartest animal on the planet and don't you forget it. That's right. But we don't have the largest brains. So you kind of take that idea of, okay, well, if it's not brain size, maybe it has to do with the size of your brain in relation to your body, then we start to get a little closer to jackpot. But even still, I just want to, I want to spoil it for everybody. There's no definitive answer. Yeah. But sometimes those are the best ones because we get to explore all this stuff and we can't really get anything wrong because nobody knows what's right. Oh, I like this then. Yeah. I've turned. You know these. Yeah.

Now I feel good about this because I can't be wrong. Right. Exactly. Well, I guess we should start off with a little bit about what determines what size brain you do have. And again, they don't know everything about it, but they think that genetics plays a part. They know this in part by studying twins and identical twins have, of course, the same genes, fraternal twins have about half the same genes. Right. And there's a greater correlation in brain size if you're identical than fraternal. Yeah. So genetics, you know, looks like it probably plays a role. Yeah. And they've done a lot of exploration into what genes in particular have to do with brain size and they've isolated a few. One is called beta-catanin. Yeah. There's a hyphen in there too.

Yeah. It's a pretty flashy gene. Not beta-carotene. No. Catanin. Yeah. And who's coming up with the naming convention for genes? They are all over the place. Yeah. Like you can't look at the name of the gene and be like, that's obviously a gene. Yeah. Yeah. Unless there's like a couple of weird consonants in a number and then another consonant, then you're like, well, that's a gene, but you're right. There's no consistent. Beta-catanin. Yeah. That's a gene. It is a gene. And it's a gene that they know controls brain growth because they've injected poor mice with this stuff. Until their heads exploded. Exactly. Their heads, they fell short of exploding, but a lot of the mice died as a result of their heads growing too big. Yeah. But their brains grew big and as a result of

their brains growing big, they exhibited more intelligence, higher cognitive function. Right. They injected these things with a gene. Yeah. Protein. That grows your brain. Yeah. That made them smarter. Yeah. But like Molly points out in this article, you can't, that doesn't mean we should start doing that because these mice are dying. Right. So you can't just, you can't play God as they say. No, but it does make you wonder like, okay, you don't want to shoot up beta-catanin like before the SATs or anything like that. Right. But like, is there a way to kind of tamper a little less, but still tamper with that gene? Something put under your tongue and let it dissolve maybe. Sure. Like, you know, just epigenetically, just a tad bit. Yeah. Maybe, you

know, amplify it just a tad and see what happens, but it would cause your brain to grow because that gene is partially responsible for the size that your brain gets to. That's right. As far as large brains go. Yes. Like it makes it larger. Yes. If you want to talk smaller brains, there's another gene. And boy, you're right. The names are all over the place. Yeah. Just convention-wise. It's not like they have different names. There are some numbers and dashes. Right. Right. Get it together, people. ASPM. It's an abbreviation for abnormal spindle-like microcephaly associated. That's the name of the gene. Yeah. That's just shameful. And they say microcephaly associated because that is a condition that you've probably seen before

when you're born with a small head and small brain, which probably means you're going to have some cognitive impairment. Right. So right there, smaller brain is correlated to lesser or lower faculty or cognitive function. Yeah. We should look into that more for another podcast. So I think it's, from the images I saw, it looks like you remember like the movie Freaks. Yes. That guy is so cute. I think that's the deal. I think you have like normal size, nose and ears and eyes, but your actual head and skull and brain are smaller. Right. You don't look like the African safari guy from Beetlejuice. No. He's not proportionately strong. Right. Yeah. You get him down so small. Right. That's one of my favorites. What was that guy's name

from Freaks? I've read about him before. Oh, his real name? No. He had his stage name. It was like Topsy or Flopsy or something like that. Yeah. And he apparently had like the greatest personality of all time. Oh yeah. Just so lovable and was just exploited basically his whole life until that movie like kind of got vengeance for him because he was a real life sideshow performer. Well, that's good. Yeah. Topsy? It wasn't Topsy. That was the elephant that Edison electrocuted. Yeah. I think you're right. But it was something along those lines. Just a fun name. So check there's another gene. This is a little more genetically sounding. EMX2. Yeah. That's the sequel. Sure. Sounds like a dirt bike or a gene. Yeah.

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do with the size of your brain. Right. And they, we also have figured out that if you mess with these genes, you may also be messing with cognitive function. Right. So we're, we're laying the ground work here, everybody, just bear with us. The EMX2 gene, um, apparently has to do with the growth of your, um, the functional subdivisions of the cortex. Okay. You have different courtesies. Sure. They're responsible for different things. So like if in that New York Times article, you sent me the guy uses the visual cortex as an example. Right. Um, where like you get all your visual sensory input and your brain puts it all together. Yeah. That cortex, that region of your brain is responsible for a fairly specific, but also very, um, complicated task. Yeah. Now this one functional

cortex that the EMX2 gene is responsible for, um, has to do with basically input, sensory input and motor output. Okay. So your behavior, like, um, if I came across this desk at you and like pinched your cheeks, you'd like jump back and say, what, is it Wednesday? Right. Right. Yeah. You would make a connection that is Wednesday. Your behavior would occur. Yeah. So, um, this EMX2 gene has to do with that cortex and its size. What they found is that bigger is not necessarily better. Right. If you have a lower expression of it and you have a smaller subdivision of that cortex, you're not going to do very well behaviorally. Okay. Functionally. Yeah. Like you won't be able to hit a baseball very well. All right. Gotcha. But if it's too big, if that gene

overexpresses, you don't get better at hitting a baseball. With this in particular, it seems to be fine tuned. I got you. So if you're not hitting that sweet spot, you're never going to hit a baseball. Right. And there may be myriad other problems, but you're definitely not going to hit that baseball. So that means you're born with baseball talent? Pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's genetic and there's like, there's some people who are so close to perfect that like baseball just comes naturally to them. Right. Right. Right. Like Robert Redford. Exactly. Yeah. Man, he really gave those lights a wallop. Yeah. He's the natural. So, uh, that's the genetic basis of it, Chuck. Yeah. And, uh, I guess we should talk some about size if it's important, uh, because

this is sort of the debate that keeps going on and on is brain size, corollary to intelligence levels. Right. Uh, they did find or they have found links between, uh, if you have a lot of brain growth, um, if it's disproportionate early on, um, they've linked that and early on being the first 12 months to, uh, they've linked that to autism. So super rapid growth may, what it may do is just prevent those neural connections from, uh, happening like they should. Right. Um, and actually, well, that's kind of links into that tethering thing I said you too. It does. Which we will talk about later. Um, in biology, though, is there's kind of this consensus that it's, that's not the only determinant that it has a lot to do with, um, environment as well. I think kind of as a whole,

people who investigate correlations between brain size and intelligence have totally abandoned the idea that, um, like your brain is pre-determined to grow a certain way and then that's that. Yeah. Well, size-wise, they've also found that if you have ADHD, if you're an adolescent, your brain might be three to four percent smaller than your classmate who does not have ADHD. Yeah. Um, and your brain shrinks as you get older, but doesn't necessarily lose functionality because of the shrinkage. It's not to say when you get older, you don't, you know, lose functionality, but it's not due to the size. No, they think that, um, it's probably mostly due to plaque buildup. Oh, really? Okay. That your, your, um, synapses are just kind of built up with

gunk remnant proteins from years and decades of firings. And you shake that off by continuing to use it? Yes. That's one thing, but also they've recently found that, um, while you sleep, they think now, the function of sleep, they didn't notice it before until, I don't know what kind of new imaging technology they used, but they found out that there's this whole channel of like basically a sewage system that just clears out all the gunk from your brain while you're sleeping at night. And it just, that's why you are cognitively refreshed from sleep. And we've done, we did one on, uh, why sleep so important, right?

Yes. I think that was in there. We've done a bunch. There's a whole sleep suite too. All right. So one of the reasons why, uh, people are still debating whether or not brain size equals more intelligence or less intelligence is because when there are a lot of different ways to measure the brain, um, you know, like, do you take a tape measure and go around it? Or do you go from the middle out? Or do you do it proportion to your body size, which is a real measurement called encephalation quotient. Right.

And if they're talking about your body size, what if you're super fat? Like there are all these different ways and no one, I don't think has ever come to a consensus on the best way to actually do the measurement in the first place. No. And there's another really big outstanding question is how do you measure intelligence? Like are IQ tests actually legitimate? Yeah. So when you have two parts of your equation that are both hinky, how can you come up with an answer? Well, it depends. Like if you're comparing species to species, that encephalization

quotient actually has been proven to be pretty effective. Okay. So like the proportion of your brain to your body size is a pretty decent predictor of your EQ is what it's called. As a mammal. Yes. As a mammal. When you go outside of mammals, it gets less and less effective. Right. Right. But with humans, for example, we, our brain is like 2.7 pounds on average.

Yeah. It's something like around two to three. I've seen as much as five, but I think it's about 3% of our body weight. Yeah. But it uses up about 20% of the energy, which is another measure. Yes. Like how much energy is your brain require? The more energy your brain requires, in addition to things like EQ,

Yeah. you can get a pretty good idea of like how intelligent that being is. Yeah. Well, Einstein's brain remembers this was the same size, but different parts were bigger than others, right? So supposedly that's come under fire lately. Oh, really? Yeah. Somebody was like, these studies are terrible. Yeah.

You can't make these huge leaps and bounds in conclusions just from a couple of strips of brain tissue. Right. But apparently most studies have. Well, I think that's sort of like a juicy thing that people like to talk about Einstein's brain. Yeah. You know, I could see people making that leap.

Right. And the idea that like, oh, well, Einstein's brain is just like anybody else's. Yeah. Well, that means that anybody could be a genius. You know, it really argues in favor of the nurture side of things. Right. But if his brain is structurally different, well, then genius is an inborn natural thing. It's just nature versus nurture played out on poor Einstein's sliced up brain. Yeah. That lived in a garage for many years.

Like everyone's brain. So here's the most controversial thing. Like when you're comparing species to species, like you said, especially among mammals, Chuck, it's easier to say, like, yes, this EQ thing works. Yeah. But within a single species, that's when things start to fall apart. For instance, specifically among humans, men tend to have about 100 grams more mass to their brain than women.

Right. But if a bigger brain means that you are more intelligent, right, then does that mean that men are more intelligent than women? I think we all know that women are more intelligent than men. Okay. So then brain size really has nothing to do with it, at least introspecies. That's what I'm saying. But there have been plenty of studies that I'm sure got a lot of people's hackles up. One guy named Michael McDaniel, who's a psychologist, basically entered the news cycle

bursting onto the scene in 2005. Yeah, which is always a little bit like, yeah, who's this guy? Right. Yeah. But he came up with a study that was ready made for CNN. Yeah. I mean, he said flat out that bigger brains means you're smarter. Yes. And that IE or EG, which one is it?

IE in this case. Men are smarter than women. Yeah. Yeah. That's what he was saying. Yeah. Because he basically put brain imaging tests and IQ tests together and said, well, there's a direct correlation between the two.

And again, with these tests, they converted SAT scores of 100,017 and 18 year olds to an IQ score. And I don't see why they even had to do that. And they found that males average 3.63 IQ points higher. But I don't know. It just seems really hinking because first of all, they use 10,000 more females than males. So that's going to skew things. Yeah. And then it's an SAT.

Right. What does that even mean? Yeah, which has been proven time and time again to be biased. Yeah. And then they converted that to an IQ score with some like, I guess, machine. Seems like some things would be lost in translation. Yeah. I think it's a bunch of bunk.

So yeah, I think you're not alone in the idea that it's a bunch of bunk. So a lot of scientists have said, okay, all right, this whole brain size correlating to intelligence stinks of phrenology when you're talking about looking at it just in the human species, right? Yeah. So what is it though? I mean, surely there's got to be some biological part or aspect of the brain that correlates to intelligence.

If it's not size, then maybe it's the number of neurons that you have. Yeah, neural connections. A lot of people have thought that that was kind of the second to most recent wave in thinking about what brain structure correlates to intelligence. Yeah. Was this the New York Times one about the tether hypothesis? This is just December of last year. So it's pretty recent.

And a couple of neuroscientists from Harvard, so you know they're right, they had a pretty simple explanation when back in the day when Tuk-Tuk had a little bitty tiny brain, their argument is that the neurons were tightly tethered in a pretty simple connection pattern. Right. And that when our brain started getting bigger, those tethers were torn apart and it formed, it enabled us. We formed new neurons and new neural pathways and new circuits. Right.

And that makes a lot of sense to me. Yeah, it's like the brain size might have been about the same and it was. Yeah. But the neural connections were still following the primal animal connectivity where it's like they connect in a predictable way. Right. Whereas with this untethered idea, they just blossomed out into the idea of what neural connections look like today rather than following like straight predictable lines.

They were all over the place and from these new connections, new associations arose and that gave rise to intellect according to this. Yeah. It's pretty simple, smart. Yeah, I think sometimes the simplest hypotheses might be on target. That's Occam's razor, my friend. Or maybe they just speak to me because I'm a dummy. Right.

Chuck Occam brought it. Tether, I got tethered. I played tether ball. So that is a competing explanation. Another one that I've seen says that it's not the neurons, not the number of neurons, not even the number of neural connections. It's the chemistry and the complexity of the neurotransmitters that are being conducted between these neurons.

Oh, yeah. And from this has kind of come this new idea that it's folly to even say, well, humans are obviously smarter than a bottlenose dolphin, even though they're smart because the bottlenose dolphins experience understanding of life is so radically different from humans. Yeah, you can't compare intellect to intellect. Yeah. You can't say, well, a dolphin can't talk and speak, but I can't do things a dolphin can do. Right.

Or maybe dolphins are speaking, I mean. To one another. Yeah. Just not to us. Right. That doesn't make them less intelligent. So long and thanks for all the fish. And we're not, yeah, that's a good one.

Yeah. And we're not like anthropomorphizing here. Basically, there is very little point, I guess. Yeah, I don't get it. To comparing the two. There's tremendous point to getting, to cracking this code and understanding dolphin intellect or bird intellect. Agreed.

Octopus intellect. Right. And human intellect. But to compare them is, it's an exercise in futility. There's no point to it. I don't get it. Yeah. I'm Mangesh Atikular, and to be honest, I don't believe in astrology.

But from the moment I was born, it's been a part of my life. In India, it's like smoking. You might not smoke, but you're going to get secondhand astrology. And lately, I've been wondering if the universe has been trying to tell me to stop running and pay attention. Because maybe there is magic in the stars, if you're willing to look for it. So I rounded up some friends and we dove in and let me tell you, it got weird fast. Tantric curses, major league baseball teams, canceled marriages, K-pop.

But just when I thought I had to handle on this sweet and curious show about astrology, my whole world can crash down. Situation doesn't look good. There is risk to father. And my whole view on astrology, it changed. Whether you're a skeptic or a believer, I think your ideas are going to change too. Listen to Skyline Drive and the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Seriously, I swear, and you won't have to send an SOS because I'll be there for you.

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or wherever you listen to podcasts. I mean, compared Dolphin A to Dolphin B, one may be smarter. One might have a little patchy mustache and hang out at the gas station a lot. That's not the smart one. Yeah, I think people do this to either, I think they're trying to claim some either superiority of animals over humans or humans over animals. Right. And that's kind of, that's a big issue these days.

There are groups, animal rights groups, that are trying to further animal rights by getting them inalienable rights like humans have. Right. Which would really screw up the zoo system. Yeah, you can look for our podcasts on that too. We did. Yeah, that was a good one. Yeah.

I think we landed pretty heavily against zoos. Yeah, we did. But to each their own. But I haven't been to a zoo since then. What is this project enigma? I thought that was pretty interesting. It was another genetic thing. This, it was neat though in that like this, well, Australian researchers said,

hey, we have something called the internet and MRIs. Right. And willing participants. So everybody starts sending in your brain scans. Is that who proved that the complexity of the neural activity was the most important thing? Was that project enigma? No, that was a different one. That was, there was a new scientist or no, scientific American article that,

that explored that idea as the, the synaptic proteins that create intellect or intelligence. But the project enigma basically found that there is a single mutation on a specific gene where if you have a C instead of T, I think you have a bigger brain and they correlated that to more intelligence. Yeah. But again, using the IQ test. Well, what I'm tired of are the studies that throw out the results that don't make a good fun headline.

You know, there was this one from Smithsonian magazine from December of last year that it, well, they, it wasn't from them. It was from the proceedings of the Royal Society B and Smithsonian reported on it. But it was a study of country mice and city mice. No way. Well, a bunch of animals, but they found that city mice and vole. I don't even know what that is, V-O-L-E. Prairie voles.

What is that like? They're little roaches. Okay. They're very sweet. They, they are monogamous. Oh, like a bull weevil? No, that's a bug. A vole is like a, like a prairie dog.

Yeah. They used to look up prairie voles. Very cute. And the idea that they're very sweet is even better. You, you wouldn't like shoot one for being on your property. No, I mean, some people would, but not good people. I know someone who does that kind of thing. Shoots at voles?

Not voles, but woodchucks with, with the air rifles. That's not nice. Yeah. He knows who he is. Boo. But the study basically said that city mice and city voles had larger brains than country mice. And of course that makes a big headline because people are going to try and make the point that, you know, people that live in urban environments are smarter and the hillbillies out in the

country are dumber. They study 10 animals. Only two of them showed that and some of them showed the opposite. That the, I think bats and shrews, actually the country versions had larger brains. So they don't say any of that in the study. They just want a headline that says, you know, if you live in a city, you're smarter. Yeah. And we, I mean, we've been addressing this lately.

Like there is like a symbiotic collusion between bad science and bad science reporting. You know, that results and stuff like that where it's just like, you know, city, city people are smarter than country people, right? Says this one study that where the data was massaged. Right. Well, can you, city person, can you go make butter with your hands? I have to say, can you farm land? No, of course not.

But there, it is possible that there's a basis to this. Or as city people are, their brains are more stimulated than country folk, perhaps. And so more neural connections, more plasticity takes place. I don't, I don't think that's true. I think there's just as much stimulation in nature as there is in a city full of people. Spends what you're stimulated by. Look at Darwin, he spent his entire life living in the country. Yeah, for sure.

But I mean, like we're also, we also have hundreds of thousands of years of latent inhibition built up against a lot of the stuff in nature, whereas the stuff in Times Square is relatively new. So our brain isn't, doesn't defend against it quite as easily. So hence we're possibly more stimulated. I think it depends on what you're doing with your time. Sure. If you're out in the country, sitting around watching reality TV, if you're in the city.

Then you're overstimulating. In your apartment watching reality TV. I found this other study today too from Germany about pornography may reduce your brain size. Another kind of sexy headline. Right. And. Sample size of three. And it's always self-reported too.

And when you're dealing with porn and self-reporting. Right. Do you look at porn? Check the box. Do you think your brain is small? Check the box. Boom. Yeah.

How smart are you? Somebody called Newsweek. They cannot say that watching porn caused a decrease in brain matter, but they did say they found that the volume of striatum, a brain region that's been associated with reward processing and motivated behavior was smaller, the more pornography you consumed. And basically where they're at is we don't know whether it's causing this or if people that. Oh yeah. They get struck down and they're like, ooh.

Yeah. They're just into watching porn more. Gotcha. Like in Idiocracy. Again. That movie. There's probably been no other movie that's made more of a legitimate appearance in our episodes than that movie. Idiocracy.

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dot tumblr.com He says we're huge nerds and Dr. Who fans. So that was lost on me. Some Dr. Who reference, I guess. Does it have to do with the phone booth, maybe? That's the only thing you know about Dr. Who. Same here. Secondly, I'm biking 150 miles

to raise money. And could you plug that? And you can go to G-O-O dot G-L slash 2-W-J-Z-X-Q. These people don't like normal words. Well, that's one of those shortened URLs.

Oh, I see. It's a goo. Got you. And then third, how about a shout out? I think that's what we're doing here. My wife is a little shy, so just use her nickname, The Mayor. She wears a sash during chemo and childbirth. I guess so. I mean, I call Emily the boss, though.

The Mayor. But the Mayor is like the boss of several bosses, I would guess. Yeah, we used to call my friend Justin who, you know, the mayor of Atlanta. Because everywhere he went, somebody knew him. He's a sociable fella. But now we just call him the manager of Atlanta because everywhere you go, he has some improvement

to that place. The lighting's not quite right or the door should be over there. The kitchen is not located properly. That's brits. Yeah. And then fourth, my wife works in public policy, specifically helping women and families get themselves out of poverty and advocating

for low-income workers. So, there you have it, an awesome and incredible woman who dedicates her considerable talents to helping others. She's pregnant and has breast cancer. Kind of hard to say no, right? I'm not above guilt-tripping. So Bob from Swathmore, Pennsylvania.

There you go. I hope things have continued to progress well for your wife and child and keep us updated. Yeah. And you keep me updated at the very least if not everybody listening. I will. Thanks a lot, Bob and the mayor.

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