Stuff You Should Know - Movie Crush: Tig Notaro on Mask

Episode Date: November 3, 2017

Episode two of Movie Crush is a very special one. Comedian Tig Notaro dropped in minutes after a very important, life changing phone call to chat with Chuck about the movie Mask. Have a listen! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to Frosted Tips with Lance Bass on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Hey folks, and welcome to Movie Crush. It's Chuck Bryant here, and boy, I gotta tell ya, this week is a pretty special episode. This one needs a little bit of setup, and I urge you to listen to this one,

because the background of Tig Nataro's interview and how this thing started was, well, here's what went down. So I had met Tig before at her comedy festival that she curates every year, Benson Ball in Washington, DC. And Josh and I do our stuff you should know live there, usually every year,

and was lucky enough to meet her last year, and she's just really sweet and a very nice person. And so I hit her up to be on this show because she was coming through town to perform. And she said yes, was very sweet of her to do so. And so day of the show, waiting for her to get here, texting with her assistant who was traveling with her, and they said, all right, she's here, meet us downstairs,

met her downstairs, I was really excited, because I adore Tig Nataro in her comedy, as I'm sure everyone listening does. And I meet her downstairs in our building, and she's just a little weirdly removed, I guess the best way to say it, she's a very warm, friendly person, so it was different than I was expecting to get.

She wasn't being mean or anything, she wasn't being a jerk, but I could tell something was going on, and I was kinda walked around the building a little bit, and then got on the elevator, and the whole time she was just sort of nodding, and being nice enough, but something was off, and I could tell something was off.

So we get up here in the studio, and she needs a moment to go to the little podcasters room, so I walk her over there to the bathroom, and say here you go, I'll be inside, it's fine. She takes a while, she gets on the phone outside, and it's sort of having a, it looks like a fairly intense conversation. And wrap set up, and then we get into the studio.

We sit down, and we are just sort of small talking initially, and she starts to cry right there in front of my face, and I don't know what to do. She's just sort of crying, and saying I'm sorry, I'm sorry, and I go, all right, listen, I'm gonna give you a minute, and her assistant's actually in the studio with us, so I'm gonna give you all a sec and step out, and let you deal with whatever's going on here.

So I go out, and I start chatting with producer Noel, and I'm like, Tix and they're crying, and he saw what was going on through the window here, and nobody knows what to do. Jerry's kind of over there too, and we're all just sort of wondering what we should do. So I give it a little bit of time, finally her assistant comes out and says,

hey, she's good, she wants to do this. So I was like, are you sure? And he says, yes, come back in the studio. I sit down, and I said, listen, Tix, I said, we do not have to do this. I said, whatever you've got going on is more important than this silly little show, and I will not think any less of you

if you want to postpone or cancel or whatever. I said, you take care of yourself here, that's what's important. And she said, no, no, no, I'll be all right. I was like, all right, and I was like, are you sure? She said, yeah, and she looked at me, and she looked at her phone, and she was sort of still wiping tears from her eyes,

and she said, it looks like I'm gonna live, and I just stop. And I start to get a little emotional, honestly, because I'm a sensitive guy, and I was like, what do you mean? And she said, that was my doctor. And she said, I had my five-year results from my cancer treatment come back,

and it was basically a call I had been waiting on for three days on whether or not the cancer was back, and if the cancer was back in the way that they thought it could be, it would be a death sentence for me. And I just got the call, I'm gonna live, and I'm literally fighting back tears at this point. She's two feet from me, and it's a very intense situation,

and she's sort of crying, laughing at this point, so it's a good call, that's the great news. But she was just overcome, obviously, and so we kind of chat for a moment about, she called her wife, Stephanie, and shared the good news with her, and they were crying, and it was just really a super, super special moment.

But even though it was good news, I said, listen, seriously, I know it's great, but you still don't have to do this. Like, we're literally sitting here about to talk about the movie Mask, and I don't blame you if this is not what you want to do right now, and she said no, and she said, you know what? She said, this is exactly what I wanna do right now.

So that's the setup for this episode. My second interview ever with someone for the show, not like the most accomplished interviewer yet, so needless to say, I was sort of on ice skates at this point, but it made for a really good conversation, and I just really hope you enjoy it. So here we go with Tignitaro and Mask. Man, and especially after everything.

Well, and I'm right at my five-year mark where I'm supposed to be technically in remission, and people have been congratulating me, and I've been walking around with like, well, or I might be terrible, so I've just been like, come on, let's just get this news, and a funny addition to this is that Thomas is just talking about how uncomfortable he is

with people crying, and I've never cried. We've worked together now for a long time. I've never cried in front of him, and then I'm like, oh, wow, like the day after, he's like, well, I'm a little awkward when people cry, and then I'm like, oh no. Oh no, I have to release this sad but very excited new, excited energy.

I prefer that they were ex-girlfriends. Yeah, he was specifically talking about ex-girlfriends. Okay, I am on track. Good. I'm alive. And Stephanie knows everything. I told it, I told it. I told her, and she was texting, that she was crying,

and I think that really triggered me. Yeah, well, and you have kids now, it's like, not that it's ever a life situation. Yeah, but I have a lot in my life that I love. That's awesome, so everything's going great with the kids? Yeah, everything's. I mean, I really have a pretty splendid life, so there'd be a lot to mourn.

Yeah, no kidding. Wow. Yeah, anyway. Boy, this is gonna go down in history for me. Me too, me too. My apologies. Oh no, everyone, I think you have this thing where everyone cares about you so much as fans.

Oh, that's so nice. Because you've been so open about all your experiences the past few years, so I think everyone feels like you get a collective hug from your fan base, which I don't know if you can feel that, I'm sure you can. I definitely can. Thomas gets the residual stuff at the merch booth. Are you doing season two of One Mississippi?

It's coming out September 8th. I'm so glad. It's so great. Thanks. I think it has one of those, I think the quality that I find a lot of TV shows is attracted to me is heart, and like Master of None is another one, and I think both those shows just have so much heart,

and that's something you can't manufacture, you know? Right. So it's great. You can manufacture it. It's just, do you wanna watch it? Yeah, well, exactly, false heart, I guess. But my family's from Mississippi, so it's sort of... That's what he was reading that to me in the car.

Oh, how did you know? Wikipedia. Oh, is that on there? My family in Mississippi, they started an email chain that I was on talking about how I have a Wikipedia page, and they were all like, oh, chiming in, like, wow. And I just... Like you really made it.

The same guys. I've actually done a lot of other things, and you could probably have your own Wikipedia page too. Right. I mean, somehow, some way. Yeah. But this is not my biggest, biggest accomplishment. Right.

I hope not. Well, I think for a long time, stuff you should know had a page, but I was like, no, why don't I have a personal page? And then that happened, and I was like, be careful what you wish for. Yeah. But yeah, my family, my dad's ancestry is from,

like, Tupelo and Jackson and Ponitok. I don't know. Oh, yeah. I do not know. Yeah, it's one of those things. That's your family. You'd have to tell me. You know all the towns in Mississippi, right?

So I went there as a kid growing up and stuff. So it's kind of cool to see. Although you didn't grow up there, right? You grew up in Houston? No. I was born in Jackson. Then we moved to Pascua Sham, Mississippi on the Gulf Coast. Okay.

And then, yeah, we moved outside of Houston to spring, Texas, and then used to spend our summers in New Orleans and Jackson and Hattiesburg and Pascua Sham. Right. Yeah. So you're familiar with this weather? Yes, I am. Didn't freak you out too much?

No. Good. Sounds good. Were your early days in Houston, like, were you a big moviegoer? Did they factor in? I went and saw Grease and Star Wars, which are kind of my two big movies. I did, too. Yeah, you know what?

I remember going to see Eddie Murphy, his concert films, and also, you know, all Molly Ringwald movies. Oh, yeah. Yeah, just all that kind of, I guess, rat pack type stuff. Oh, yeah, sure. Molly Ringwald. Yeah. Breakfast club.

I think I've always been a little more of a music person. Right. I followed stand up a lot, also, until I got into it. Comedy records and... Sure. Yeah. But yeah, I think consistently through life, I'm always more heavily in the music world. Thomas and I were driving to Georgia yesterday and, I mean, just going through anywhere from

the Indigo Girls to Frightened Rabbit to Ronnie James Dio. Oh, yeah. That's a nice swing. Yeah. I don't discriminate. There's a bend diagram in there somewhere. Yeah. But it was a fun little drive.

So you drove on this, I think you used to go to Mississippi and then Oxford, Atlanta. Yeah. Oxford, Birmingham, Atlanta. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Thomas and I were talking before. Do we mention who Thomas is?

Yeah. Thomas is your assistant. It was feet from us. Yes. Giggling in the background. Yeah. Smiling. I guess I'll be here.

Just so proud of me. He just gave it two thumbs up. Two thumbs up. All right. Roger Ebert. Yeah. We were talking about stuff you should know did a Birmingham show and just how sometimes when you go to places like Birmingham and Oxford, they're just so appreciative.

It's just really lovely. Well, I was reading about Birmingham and I guess it's the number one, unless I have completely wrong information. Right. It's the number one most liberal city in the southern states. Oh, really? Yeah. Hmm.

Probably of a certain size, maybe. I can't imagine it's more liberal than like Athens, Georgia. I don't know. I don't know. How do you measure how liberal a place is too? Interesting. I'm not sure, but. I could believe that though.

Birmingham's pretty cool. I think it's a pretty cool rep. Yeah. I was stunned and I think Atlanta was ranking fourth. Yeah. The city of Atlanta is fairly liberal and like the in-town neighborhoods are. Well, I know it's fairly liberal in Atlanta. I guess my shock was I thought it would be closer to the top.

Right. Yeah. I did too. I wonder what number two and three were. I don't remember. Again, I could have gotten all the wrong information and I'm here to spread the word. That's not what the show's about anyway. So we can go ahead and get into mask if you want.

Sure. I did. I should let everyone know. I verified a little nervously right before that it was not the mask, the Jim Carrey movie because I don't know what I would have said about that. Well, here's the thing. There was a part of me that wanted to reach out and clarify which one. Yeah.

And a part of the difference. But then I also thought it'll be hilarious if you researched the wrong movie and I came in to do a more dramatic film in years as you've researched this over the top ridiculous film. Yeah. And so I was like, you know, I just leave it and let it do what it wants to. Yeah. I think that would be in a panic if I hadn't seen mask and that happened.

But mask for me was, it was a big HBO movie for me. I was born in 1971. I was too. Oh, yeah. What's your birthday? What's your birthday? March 15th. March 24th.

Shut up. Really? Yeah. All right. Yeah. Well, all right. In Mississippi ancestry. Yeah.

So when I was third, I guess we were 14 then in 1985 when it was kind of fun to say when mask came out and it was, I don't know about you, but HBO when that landed in my neighborhood, we were kind of one of the last neighborhoods to get it because I kind of lived out in the woods and on a dirt road until it was paved when I was like 12. So it was a really, really big deal. Now we're bragging. Right. Right.

So HBO came late and I would just watch some of these movies over and over again and mask was one of those. You know what my HBO movie was? What? Under the Rainbow. Oh, yeah. Do you remember that? Chevy Chase.

Yeah. Yeah. What was the premise of Wizard of Oz? Like remake? No. What were they trying to do? I actually don't even remember what the movie was about, but I remember there were just a lot of little people and I watched it several times today.

Anytime it was on HBO, I was like, well, I know what I'm doing with my time. Right. Yeah. I don't remember the premise that there was definitely a Wizard of Oz angle. I don't know if they were trying to do a remake or a musical or something. I have no idea. Yeah. I mean, nothing stuck except Chevy Chase and Little People.

Yeah. Same here. But really, I think that's the movie I've seen most in my life. Oh, wow. Is Under the Rainbow. Thanks to HBO. Yeah. Have you ever heard of that?

No. Oh, well. Yeah. Watch it. It didn't, that's not one of, like, that's not one of those you can hear about anymore. Of course not. It didn't live on in, like, the popular culture. I don't think it was thriving at the time.

No, but something like Mask, like, still, you know, I think people still talk about that kind of movie. I bring up Mask a lot and it is often followed by The Mask. Yeah. So. Sure. Yeah. So I watch it today again.

Mask is really hard to find. Like you can't even pay for it on YouTube and as a rental. Like I had to watch it on it on YouTube, but it was a, the screen was in the top little third of the corner and then all around it were like starbursts going off and it was in. Yeah, that's the original. So yeah. That sounds about right.

Terrible quality. It was really weird, but I've seen it, like I said, because of HBO, so I don't, I mean, I can't even hazard a guess, but at least like 10 times probably. So it's a movie I was really familiar with, but hadn't seen in many, many years. So it was, it was fun to, you know, kind of go back and watch it. Now this is an embarrassing moment where I admit I didn't go back and watch it. That's okay. Okay.

No, no, no. That wasn't like part of my homework. Okay. There won't be a quiz. Okay. So you don't need to worry about it. Okay. You remember the gist of the movie, right?

Yes, I do. So Eric Stoltz. Oh, I remember. Yes. Okay. I thought you were going to say I didn't know that's who that was. No, no, I for sure did. Yeah.

So they were apparently at the rat party, there were crew members introducing themselves to him because they didn't see him out of his makeup. So they didn't even know Eric's, like what Eric Stoltz looked like. Wow. And I also read that Cher dated him after the movie. Really? Yeah. Huh.

Kind of tarnished it a bit. Yeah. In my head. That is, that's bizarre. Yeah. That was a little bit weird. I was about to say are they the same age, but I guess that doesn't matter. Well, no, of course not.

My wife's 15 years younger than me. I think that's about the age difference of Cher and Eric Stoltz. Did I just ruin it for you about Pete Stephanie? No, no, no. No, it doesn't tarnish. Because well, you didn't play her mom in a movie. So. No, I played her love interest in a movie.

Oh, that's right. Yeah. She's really good in one Mississippi too. It's like that's part of the heart of that show I think is this like little sweet budding relationship that you guys have. She's so good in season two. She's so good. Really?

Yeah. Who is the guy that plays your dad or I guess stepdad? Yeah. John Rothman. Boy, he's so good. He's phenomenal. And I've seen him like over the years as a character actor, but she's that role is just so like internal, but he's doing a lot with it.

Yeah. Yeah. It's really fun to watch. Yeah. I just can't wait for season two. Very excited. Um, so you know probably that Springsteen was supposed to be the songs, right? Or do you know that?

No, I know what, uh, don't, uh, Bob Seager. Yeah. Bob Seager was the sound, the soundtrack. Yeah. So he was the, the stand in Peter Bogdanovich, um, the director was insistent on Springsteen being the guy because in real life, the real Rocky Dennis was a Springsteen fanatic. And so, um, very famously he, uh, they had a, uh, a battle because I think the record label, um, and the, I can't remember if it was Columbia or Universal, who was who.

I think Springsteen was on Columbia and Universal was the, the movie studio, but they, someone didn't like each other and they wouldn't allow it. And, um, and Bogdanovich later sued the studio because they made him use Bob Seager, uh, whom I don't even think he cared for. Really? So. Bob Seager, I feel like makes that movie. Oh really?

Catmandu? Oh my gosh. The end credits, I remember, um, what Bob Seager song is that, um, well, I can't tell you because I watched the director's cut today, which has Springsteen. Really? Yeah. How was that? It was a little like bizarro mask because you're right, like it's such a through line,

uh, the Bob Seager stuff. And then having seen the Seager version 15 times and knew that the Springsteen version was out there. Uh, so it was a little strange hearing like Thunder Road and Born to Run and, uh, I feel so curious to see that version because I feel like Bob Seager represents way more of that world. Like the sort of biker, yeah, biker world than, uh, Bruce Springsteen does, you know, Bob Seager is just on the nose.

Yeah. And the Catmandu song, especially, um, because, you know, one of the big subplots of the movie was his Europe trip that he was going to take with his friend. Yeah. I mean, so, so great. Yeah. All right. So Seager, you're in the Seager camp.

I love Bob Seager. You're not a fan. Uh, well, we actually had a thing on Stuff You Should Know where I complained about Bob Seager. Um, I think I was complaining about a specific song, Turn the Page. You know the song? Of course. Yeah.

How many times do I have to tell you? And I think I made it, I think it may have just been so I can make the joke that should have been called Turn the Station, um, because I always thought that was kind of a funny joke. And then, um, we, I heard a lot from a lot of people, Seager Loyalists that kind of gave me shit for that. And then Metallica, did you hear their remake of Turn the Page? Oh no, I don't think so.

It's great. It's just a heavy slow version. Yeah. Yeah. But it's good. Yeah. I mean, it's a mix of anything, I'm always like, I think they had it handled, guys, relax. Right.

But I feel like Metallica did a really great Metallica version of Turn the Page. Wow. I'm going to have to hear that. Yeah. Well, it's sort of the ultimate, uh, Grizzly Rhodes song, you know, as a touring artist. I do feel like when I hear that song, I'm just like, yeah, that's me, Turn in the Page. Wow. Well, you're definitely going to have to check out the Springsteam version.

I think you can get it on DVD unless you want to watch the weird third screen YouTube Starburst version. Um, no, thank you. But as far as the bikers go, um, I don't know, like what kind of growing up, uh, you did in Houston, but I was a very, um, sort of sheltered Southern Baptist boy, um, before I came to my senses later on in life. And, um, the notion of like a biker gang was very, uh, exotic and scary to me. Um, so to see this movie where they would like, you know, love puppies and did like

blood drives. I don't know if you remember that scene where they were like, had a blood drive at one of their bike rallies. I don't remember. It was kind of early on. And that's where they had the puppies and, uh, they all, you know, cared for Rocky and love one another. Yeah.

It was kind of mind blowing for me to see, uh, this other world of like the bikers that I shouldn't fear them. Well, I think it's that typical situation, whether it's bikers or punk rockers or, you know, just that whole like, we take care of our own and then they, you know, all the little spikes on the jackets, whether you're a biker or punk rocker, it's just the, you know, stay away from me because if you get too close, I'm actually really soft and I love puppies and I, I love babies and I'm, it's like, they don't trust how sensitive they actually are.

So they have to put the spikes on their coat and they're just like, back off. Right. I cry easily. But yeah, they can show that love to each other though. Yeah. I think when they're within their little community and they're, um, they, they have their little puppies and babies and well, it seemed unrealistic to me as a kid, but now that I'm older and I look at that, I think that's probably, you're probably exactly right.

Yeah. I think that's probably nailed the biker scene, like more than anyone else. Yeah. I, whenever I see bikers, I'm, I'm always just like, I'm not scared again. Right. I'm a biker. Oh, really? Yeah.

I have two motorcycles. When did this happen? Uh, well, I started riding motorcycles, well, I mean, how long do we have? I mean, the story triggers another, but I always wanted to ride motorcycles and I had a friend growing up that invited me when I was in fourth grade to come over and ride motorcycles in her pasture. And I was, and she said, do you know how to ride a motorcycle? And I was like, yeah, yeah, because I'm like, uh, yeah, I know.

And so I went over to her house and we were going to ride motorcycles and it was just a mini bike, you know what a mini bike is? Yeah. It's just, you don't have to like switch gears. It's just gas and brake and they're like preteen motorcycles. Yeah. But they're just like little, little things. And, um, and so I got on her mini bike and I just was like, what?

And I mean no control of the bike. I just went shooting off through the pasture over like a bump and then hit like a hole. And then I slammed into the fence and fell over and I had hurt my hand and I just wanted my mommy, you know, and I had gone from just feeling so like, yeah, I know how to ride a motorcycle because I truly just thought it was just doing vroom, vroom with your hands. And you probably ridden bicycles before. Yeah. Well, and I've been watching the funds and I've been, I've been watching Evil Caneville

who I was obsessed with and I had all those like wind up, I had the very same toy. And my mother stopped buying them for us because the Evil Caneville doll ended up twice on our heaters that were on the floor and melted. Right. Um, but anyway, when I was 17, I was going to play pool at this pool hall with my friend and there's this motorcycle shop next to the pool hall and I had already dropped out of high school and had a job and, um, and I'd saved all this money and I was like, should I buy that motorcycle and my friend, I still didn't know how to ride one.

And she was like, yeah, you have to. So we went back the next day and I bought the motorcycle and when my friend and I went into the shop, this was our plan. Yeah. We were pretending like I had broken my foot. So I can't ride. So could he teach my friend how to ride a motorcycle? We weren't going to.

That's a good plan. Yeah. So he. Did you have to limp? Uh, yeah. I had to. That was my first acting job. Right.

So, um, uh, yeah, I was like, yeah, my foot's broken. Can you just show her how? So he did and we learned and, um, we didn't even have motorcycle helmets. We had brought along a go-kart helmet and a plastic football helmet and we rode the motorcycle. Wow. Yeah. Like a Houston Oilers helmet or something.

Yes. Yeah. And, um, we just, we're so amused by, it was her little brother's, um, plastic football helmet and, um, and then I ended up selling that and then. So they sold you a bike with, to some, to a young lady, 17 year old lady, limping with a plastic football helmet. Yeah. Well, they didn't see the helmets.

Oh, okay. That was something we took out of the car later. Oh, gotcha. Yeah. For safety. Yeah. I wore the, um, we didn't want to be pulled over by the cops. Right.

Well, of course. So, you know, you grab your football helmet and, uh, nothing to see here, officer. Right. And, um, so I ended up selling that motorcycle. I had that from when I was 17 until I was, um, probably 23. Uh-huh. Oh, wow. Uh-huh.

Uh-huh. Is that your primary mode? Um, no. I had a car as well. Okay. Um, and then I bought, years later, I bought a couple of, uh, vintage motorcycles that I still have. Nice.

But Stephanie no longer will allow such a thing. I think a lot of people go through that thing, especially if you grew up loving Evil Conneval and the Fonz. Yeah. And at one point I thought about it like, oh man, I know they're dangerous, but they're just so cool. Yeah. And, uh, I got married.

My wife was like, no. Yeah. Just go ahead and get that thought out of your head. So did you own a motorcycle? No, I never did. Oh, okay. I think I kind of thought about it here and there over the years. Well, yeah, Stephanie said probably before we were together, she would have thought it

was fun and cool and whatever, but she saw somebody die on a motorcycle. Yeah. And she said, it just, there's no way if, if it was before she saw that, but then after she was like, it's me or the motorcycle. Yeah. Yeah. So the jury is still out. They collect dust in your garage.

They do. Okay. They do. I think I'm going to get rid of one of them. Yeah. One, uh, there, it's one of them's gold and one of them is teal colored. They're, um, Honda CB 350s and, uh, those are cool. Really cool.

One's a 69, one's a 70. The gold one, uh, is named Goldy Honda and, uh, the teal one is, um, what's her, what's her? Kurt Russell. Kurt Russell. Oh, okay. Yeah. I thought it was going to have something to do with teal.

No, I know. That's the setup. And then. Right. Yeah. Fooled you. Goldy Honda and Kurt Russell sit in my garage. Who are you going to sell?

Who am I going to sell it to? Yeah. I mean, you love them both. Oh, I'm, I'm, I know, I'd for sure sell, um, I don't know. Um, Kurt Russell. Oh yeah. Yeah. Goldy Honda stays.

Yeah. Goldy Honda was the first and, and I had that motorcycle. I did like 10 episodes or so of Sarah Silverman's first TV show and, um, I had that motorcycle in that show. And so there's kind of an attachment. Right. What if your sons grow up and they're like, why don't you have two motorcycles for it?

I know. My good friend, Rick, is he collects motorcycles and he races motorcycles and behind Stephanie's back to the babies. He's always like, yeah, we're going to ride motorcycles, buddies. You guys get him a sidecar. Those are kind of cool. Um, that was a great story. Thank you.

Uh, so the bikers, well, first of all, we need to talk about share in that movie. Yes, we do. Because, um, I don't know anything about shares, uh, process in her career and I may be wrong, but I've always had the feeling that she can kind of be in anything if she wants to be or at least put herself out there to just act all the time. Yeah, but she's only done like five movies. Yeah. I feel like she's could do whatever she wanted to, but it's perfect purposefully just sort

of been super selective. Yeah. I mean, you hear about people being selective. Yeah. But she really walks along. She's really selective. Yeah. She's like, seriously only the greatest movies ever.

That's all I'm doing. Yeah. I mean, which is a V-swick, uh, mask, Moonstruck, of course. The Sonny and Cher show. That's a great movie. Um, but I know that mask was, I think she had us, uh, well, she was in Silkwood and had a small part in Silkwood before this, but this was her first big starring role and, um, and everything that she's in, she's just so good and like real and authentic.

And, um, I like, I've always wanted more Cher in my life, like in my movie life. Yeah. Um, but you know, Cher's going to do what Cher wants to do. We can't boss this woman around. No. Uh-uh. No. And apparently Peter Bogdanovich couldn't either because, uh, apparently they, um, there

was some friction because she was sort of new and she wanted her boyfriend to play Gar, uh, who was Val Kilmer at the time. So like after you see Sam Elliott, I mean, he is Gar. Yeah. I'm surprised that's not his name. Yeah. Uh, like, uh, you know, cause remember what Val Kilmer looked like in 85? Yeah.

Like there's no way he could have pulled that part off. No. Man. Gosh. That Gar. Yeah. I mean, come on. I know.

That moot. Do you love that movie? Yeah. I do. Or do you just go, yeah, you know, I like it. No. Um, and seeing it today, it kind of brought back a lot of, did it hold up? Yeah.

I haven't seen it in a handful of years. It does hold up. It, um, I think it avoids that like movie of the week thing that it easily could have been because Bogdanovich was a director and like a really like a masterful director in the casting, you know, um, like my mom is, is been in love with Sam Elliott since she was from that generation of, uh, of mustachioed hunks of the seventies were kind of right up her alley. Like, uh, Tom Selleck.

She loved Tom Selleck and Bert Reynolds. Okay. Sure. Uh, in fact, uh, smoking the bandit filmed, um, in Atlanta and, uh, shot, uh, some scenes across from my elementary school and our station wagon is in one of the scenes. Oh my gosh. How did you wait so long to bring this up? Well, this gets even better.

She, um, for probably 12 years after that movie in our garage, we had the, uh, Sheriff Jackie Gleason's car door in our garage that was knocked off of the car and a scene in the movie. And you were so closely tied to this. I know. Somehow my dad got it and we had it in my garage and for years until my mom was like, get rid of that thing, get rid of that piece of movie history. Wow.

Uh, but anyway, long story short, she drugged me down one day to meet Bert Reynolds. He did like an autograph day and it's one of those things, you know, I'm like, I don't know, nine or 10 years old in line for hours and hours to meet Bert Reynolds, uh, and have him like smack his gum in my face and like hit me on the chin and sign a thing for my mom. You know, at movie history, I have, um, that I didn't realize was movie history at the time. I used to work for Sam Raimi and yeah, and what capacity I was an assistant. Oh, cool.

And I mean, not his personal assistant, but I was just an assistant for the company. Did you hear that Thomas? And so, um, yeah, I've remained Thomas near daily about assisting Sam Raimi and, uh, let me tell you how it's done, but when I was, I think the company was moving out of a building or I was, I can't remember how I acquired Sam Raimi's old, um, file cabinet. Oh, wow. But I acquired, I started working for Sam Raimi when he was finishing up, um, a simple plan and moving on to, he was in, he was finishing that and then he was in pre-production on

his big, first big movie, which was, um, Spider-Man? No, no, um, for Love of the Game with Kevin Costner. Right. That was weird. Yeah, I know. Yeah, there's one moment where Kevin Costner's hand is bleeding, um, and there's like a shot that everyone's like, oh, there's Sam. It looks like Evil Dead like, but, um, so I have this, um, file cabinet and I remember

when I brought it home, I was like peeling all the labels off that said like dark man and Evil Dead one and Evil Dead two. And did you have it just so you could use it as your own? Yeah. I wasn't even like thinking, oh, this is Sam Raimi's file cabinet. Like, historic little stickers or not. And, um, and I couldn't fully get the stickers off and I just bailed halfway and just wrote like comedy on one and like, just all these stupid labels that have to do with me.

But, um, then years later, um, you know, after he went from just cult iconic director to just like one of the biggest A-list directors you can find. I looked at the file cabinet and I was like, thank God, I was unable to fully scrape off Evil Dead and dark man and all these labels, even though my stupid like comedy label is written on there too. That's pretty funny. It's a funny merging of my stuff and Sam Raimi's file cabinet, but I have that. You're like, ah, Johnny Ron's base case and add a bunch of stickers.

I couldn't get them off. It's fine. It's like a planter. So did you, do you still have that? Oh, cool. Yeah. And use it? I do.

And now you tell everyone, right? Well, it actually hasn't, it's in my garage, so I always forget. Oh, with Goldie and Kurt? Yeah, it's real. It's a real, I need to get Cher to come over and hang out in the garage. Do you, does Sam Raimi, do you know him now? Like, does he know who you are and that you worked for him or? Yeah, he, he, I made a couple of short films and he paid for both of them.

Oh. One is called Clown Service. Yeah. Yeah. I saw that. He paid for that? He did. Oh, wow.

Well, portion of it. Uh-huh. And my first short film called Poop Dreams, Colin, a series of stained shorts. I don't think I saw that one. I'm certain you haven't. It's not anywhere to be found. Okay. You've never heard of this, Thomas?

Okay. No, not only paid for it, but he's in it. Oh, wow. Yeah. And, um, and then, yeah, he gave a chunk of money to Clown Service. Awesome. Yeah. Cause that Clown Service kind of helped put you on the map, didn't it?

Or did it? No. Oh, okay. No. It only came out a couple of years ago. Oh, okay. I wrote it 20 years ago and then I started a Kickstarter fund to raise money for it. Right.

Five years ago. Oh. I was in the bumps in the road in life. Oh, yes. And installed the production. And then, uh, I made it two years ago. I know what I'm thinking of now that I read about it recently because of, uh, a controversy. Yes.

Yes. That's why. There is a controversy around it. Yeah. You got ripped off. Oh, you don't need to say anything. That's fine. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Controversy. Just know that I wrote it 20 years ago. I made it two years ago.

It was based on true events from my life. Right. So, it might have put me on the map to some people who had never heard of me. I know the first time I saw you was the Conan O'Brien appearance where you, uh, where you shoved the stool around. Um, I was just like, who is this? That is the best thing I've seen. Thank you.

And, um, and, uh, Paul Tompkins was the guest that night too, right? Yeah. So I'm a fan and sort of friend of his now. And that was, uh, why I was watching that night was to watch Paul. Yeah. Yeah. You came on and did that. And I was like, wow, this is awesome.

This is the coolest thing. Well, it's funny. Cause when I, when I pitched that idea to the booking agent and producer, they were like, I said, so I just want to, you know, push a stool around and he was like, well, um, I trust you, but I just, you know, I think I need to see it. And I was like, yeah, it's just makes, it's like, no, you really need to hear it makes these squeaky noises and it makes people laugh and then it makes them not laugh. And then they laugh and then they don't, and he was just like, let me, let me just come

see this. Right. And, um, I was like, yeah, sure. And so he came and saw me do it live and he was like, oh my gosh. Oh, so that was part of your act for a while for a little bit. Yeah. And, um, and then when I did it, I, when I was doing it on Conan, I couldn't get the stool to make the noise it was supposed to make.

Uh-huh. So I just went on a leap of faith, um, literally and leapt up closer to where Conan and Paul were because there was a plexiglass underneath the plexiglass floor or these lights that come up. And so I went over and I was, you know, run it, run it across the plexiglass and it was just making this sweet, sweet noise. Well, yeah. I think I'd probably told you.

Scratch the floor. Yeah. You probably heard it directly from me. Um, but yeah, I, I scratched the floor. No, the scratch isn't still there. They had to have it buffed out. Oh. But what is still there is the sound of the stool and the, one of the sound guys, I guess,

to annoy Conan will play it every now and then. That's great. Yeah. I think while it was kind of great that you went up to that second level because then you had Andy and, and PFT Conan like just dying in the background. Yeah. So that really added to it. It was really fun.

So that was my introduction to you, uh, but, but you can watch clown service on Vimeo now. Oh, okay. Yeah. Well, that should settle any, uh, controversy. Questions. Um, I do feel like I have, I need to mention though, we were talking about, um, how great, uh, well, how great, uh, Gar was and Sam Elliott, but those, the, the only thing in that movie that kind of took me out of it was, um, I don't know if you remember, there's

the one scene at a party, one of the many biker parties where he has a mustache rides shirt on. No, I don't. Yeah. I didn't, I don't think I probably knew what that meant when I was 14. And then I saw it today and I was like, oh man, like car is way too cool to wear a shirt like that. It's like somebody walking around with a, um, Hey man or whatever Bart Simpson.

Yeah. You know, or, uh, don't have a cow. Yeah. Yeah. What are you doing? I remember a friend of mine was on a date and she ran off to the bathroom and called me and she was like, I'm out with this guy and he's wearing, uh, what was that movie? The guy that, that was filmed, I think in Salt Lake city with the kind of nerdy guy.

No. Uh, Thomas at Wayne's world, by the way, Napoleon Dynamite. I guess he had some Napoleon Dynamite shirt on. On the first thing. Yeah. And my friend was like, am I crazy? But this is such a turnoff. Yeah.

And I was like, no, it's, it's telling of something that's not speaking to you. Yeah. If you choose to wear like, it was probably a vote for Pedro. Yes. It was for Pedro on a first date, you're screaming. Yeah. Because you pick out your clothes for a first date and you think about it and deliberate and you might try a few things on.

Yeah. I'd like to see the rejected outfits exactly like see what t-shirts he did not wear. Can I tell you my favorite gar moment? Yeah. And it's actually my favorite. It's my favorite. Well, oh my gosh, right when I start to say it's my favorite moment from the movie, then my brain jumps to other unbelievable performances by Cher.

But Cher and Gar together, I guess that's not her movie name. But anyway, it's when. Rusty was her name. Yeah. Yeah. It's when, and what's her son's name again, I'm bad with names, but I love the movie. Rocky. Yeah.

Rocky's gone off to camp and Rusty is so devastated using him and then he's trying to write a letter. Oh my God. And that is a scene that when I would try to describe it to somebody, I would a lot of time start crying. Yeah, yeah. I know what you mean. It's so raw, her love for this child.

And when Gar comes in and he starts to try and write what she's saying and then he just stops and looks at her and, oh man, are you kidding me? Yeah. I mean, just kill me now. Another few of those scenes are when Rocky confronts her about her drug use and she rips up one of his baseball cards and he goes into his room and like it brings on one of his headaches brought on by his bone disorder. And then she goes in there because it's one of those parents, the kid is the parent of

the parent kind of situations and all he cares about is for her just to not do drugs and then she goes in there and does her thing where she talks to him to get his headaches to go away because they go to the doctor and they're like, what do you do? And they're like, oh, she talks to me and they go away and the doctors are very incredulous about that whole thing, of course, because it's an 80s movie. But that scene just devastates me. Doctors are still incredulous. Yeah.

You've got a little experience there. And then the scene where Dozer, the big tough biker with the stutter after graduation, tells him that he's proud of him and that's the only thing he says in the whole movie. I was crying in my room today and they're with the blinds drawn crying quietly. Were those all the ones that destroyed you? Because I mean, there's a major one that's just like, come on. Yeah. No, that's not it.

Okay. Shall we go on? I was going to say, yeah. Well, we may as well go on. I was thinking you might be a tough little cookie if that's all that destroyed you in another way. Well, we should go to Laura Dern then. Rocky goes to camp for the blind.

And first of all, that's where I developed a lifelong crush on Laura Dern, I think, was when I saw that. Everybody says that. Yeah. She said it for me and I still just adore her. But when he, well, first when she feels his face and he tells her like he's not handsome and then he has this thing and she feels his face and says, you look pretty good to me. That gets me.

Yeah. Of course. And then when he- And just a look on her face, that sweetness and openness and she already knows she loves this guy. Yeah. And of course, his face is, everything's going to feel and seem perfect to her. Yeah.

It's just so sweet. Yes. And then when he teaches her the colors with the hot rocks and the cool things and she gets it, she gets it. And the cotton balls. Yeah. It just wrecks me. Yeah.

But we- Is that it? Yeah. I mean, we should talk about his death. Yeah. It's devastating. Devastating. I was weeping this morning.

I mean- I'm a big sap and a big sucker. I got, I don't know when I got so emotional, but I have no qualms about breaking down and crying. Yeah. Well- If the spirit moves me. I don't think we caught my boo-hoo session on audio today, but obviously I will-

You should watch Mask Tonight. Oh my gosh. If you need a good cry. I don't. I'm boo-hooed out today. Well, so as you probably remember in the movie, she, the night before they're having another big biker party and he says that his headache's kind of bad. Yeah.

So he goes in, just goes to bed, and then she gets the call in the morning that he's not at school and she fucking knows right then there's no way Rocky wouldn't be in school. Yeah. Because he like swept the academic wards. Yeah. And goes in the room and he's there and she knows he's gone. Yeah.

It's a mile. She's pulling the blinds up and talking to him like, you know, you gotta get up. Yeah. Oh my God. I know. It's just devastating. It's too much. It is.

And she keeps talking to him and then, you know, goes and kind of destroys her kitchen briefly. And it's just so painful because he's this one bit of light she has in her life, you know, very hard to sit through that scene. And I remember being 13 or 14 and just like it wrecked me then. Yeah. You know, it's a sense of bad this way. Yeah.

But yeah. I don't know if that movie is what started things off for me, but I love movies that just destroy me. Uh-huh. I do too. I don't know what it is. Yeah. It's a catharsis in a way too, I think, or for me it is.

Yeah. Probably so. Just to like be affected so deeply about something you're seeing. I'm not that way with music too. Like any piece of art now can move me to tears in like a second. Yeah. It's that, I feel like that might be that first dramatic film and then it just became, you know, I, I actually don't follow to like comedic movies or things like that.

It's just more like Bjork and dancer in the dark. Yeah. I'm there. Oh my God. Talk about a heavy movie. Boys don't cry. Oh geez. Yeah.

But then my favorite thing to do when I leave the movie theater after movies like that as I'm going down the escalator with other people that clearly just saw that movie. I'm just like, I didn't think it was that funny. You know, or what part, what did you think was the funniest part where people are just like, it was this human monster. It's always so weird in LA too because I lived there for like five years and when you, you hold up in a dark theater and especially a heavy movie like that and then you come out and it's always just like you're at the fucking grove or something.

It's so alarming. A trolley goes by. It is. It's alarming. Like a trolley full of tourists. It's very disconcerting to me. I remember I left a movie at the Beverly Center one time. I can't remember which one it was, you know, they have like the series of escalators going

down there and this is inconsequential, but I looked out to the side and there was something going on in a parking lot across the street and I went down and it's like, what's going on over there? And someone said, oh, the go-go's are about to play. It's free. I was like, are you shitting me? So me and my friend like went from this downer movie and we literally walked straight off as the go-go's stage and it was a little shorty promotional thing, but they did like

their eight greatest hits and banged it out like 40 minutes and it was one of those LA things. Like, did this just happen? It was like the best day ever. Oh my gosh. The go-go's are so great. Not why I'm here, but I have plenty to say about that. Boy, yeah.

Well, I mean, you're my age. That was our wheelhouse. 71. Yeah. Yeah. Go-go's. Pisces, right? Well, are you Pisces or?

I think I'm Aries. Stephanie follows all that. I think I'm like Pisces cusp or something, but I truly don't know what I'm talking about. And hilariously enough, I don't know what her sign is and she is astounded every time she finds us out because she talks about her sign all the time. And I never, I can't clock that. I can't quite register. It's not anything like that that I follow.

So you could put a gun in my head and I cannot tell you what Stephanie's sign is. Well, we did a Stuff You Should Know episode about astrology, about how it was just bullshit. So don't feel bad. I used to, with an ex-girlfriend of mine, when we'd have an argument, she'd be like, it's because you're an Aries. Everything I did, she'd be like, yeah, it's because you're an Aries. And I would always say, so you're telling me that if I was born just one day earlier, everything would be your fault.

Right. I mean, it just, I'm baffled by, I don't have information on it and so I don't want to completely slam stuff my wife believes in, but whatever her sign is. Really quickly speaking of alternate casting, Kevin Costner, who you mentioned from Sam Raimi's movie, was almost Rocky Dennis. Do you want some Costner trivia? I'd love some. Do you know what his production company is called?

Oh boy. Can I get a guess? Sure. Kicking Bird Productions. That's correct. No, don't show up. Take productions. Really?

Yep. Why is that? Something about like his grandmother, I'm not sure, but Kevin Costner was the star of For Love of the Game when I worked for Sam. There was a mix-up, a couple of mix-ups, where cash was delivered to me when I was at my office that was clearly supposed to go to the production or someplace else, I don't know. I also ended up on a conference call with Kevin Costner and somebody else and looped in.

I'm just wondering about the cash. Does that help Costner operates? He just has cash delivered? I think it was just petty cash or something. Oh, okay. Yeah. No, I ended up with an envelope of petty cash that clearly had to do with the production, and then I ended up on a conference call going, hello?

Hello? Who is that? This is Tig. It was Kevin Costner and somebody else going, what do you mean, yeah, it was a lot of, but it was me just really unaware of what was happening, and then I was like, I'm an assistant over at, my name is Tig. And you were probably so afraid to miss any meeting, like you felt like, I got to be on this.

Well, I was never needed in a meeting. Well, that's why when you get the conference call, like, I got it. Well, they must really need me. Yeah, I got to get on this. Yeah. That's funny. I was like, a call for me? Okay.

I like press conference and I'm all of a sudden in on a meeting. When did you hang up from the meeting? After they were like, okay, well, you know, can you hang up now? We need to have our meeting. Yeah, when you were politely asked to leave. And now could someone actually connect us to Tig Productions and not this buffoon answering the phone at the production office? Is your production company Kevin Costner Productions?

It should be. It should be. That's a good idea. Rob Lowe was the other person who almost played Rocky. I don't have any trivia for you there. No, that seems like it would have just been weird stunt casting, like, let's take, like the most handsome guy in Hollywood. I can't stand stunt casting.

Covered in his face. The thing I pride myself on with my show is that. I, we hire who's perfect for the job. Yeah. And we, I personally am never like, I want to get a celebrity or I always wanted to work with this person. And now this is the time. It's easier to buy into, I think, for me as a viewer, because like when I saw the guy

that played your step dad, I was like, wait a minute, I can know that face like, I think he was in Ghostbusters. Well, see, that's the thing is if somebody's just like a character actor, a working actor, I don't care. Sure. Or if they've never acted, but I do not want to like cram a bunch of famous people in my show. No, that's weird.

And the guy that plays your brother, he's so great. He's so good. Yeah. It's really. He's so great second season. I can't wait. How many episodes? Six again.

Okay. Yeah. That's good. A nice tight like. There's no filler episodes. No, I feel that way for sure. I did it with my wife when I came out, but it was, I think people try to do too much these days for more episodes, right?

Like anything over 10. I'm trying to do less. Yeah. That's good. Yeah. It's a good goal. All right. Well, let's finish up then with a couple of quick segments.

Okay. You've been kind enough with your time. One I call what Ebert said because Roger Ebert's my favorite movie critic of all time. So I like to go back and kind of see where he landed two thumbs up from Thomas. He gave us three and a half stars out of four, three and a half wonder what the little half problem was. You know what? John Ronson said the same thing when he got three and a half stars on his movie.

He went, yeah, I wonder why he deducted a half a star. Yeah. But I mean, really, what was the problem? I don't know. I guess he just didn't think it was a perfect movie. I'm, I disagree. Well, here's his quote. Movies don't often grab us as quickly as mask does.

The story of Rocky and Rusty is absorbing from the very first, maybe because the movie doesn't waste a lot of time wringing its hands over Rocky's fate. Mask lands on its feet running. Not bad. And then five questions and these can be short answers. I kind of, I don't even know if I have a name for this yet. Sort of like movie going one on one with, uh, with Tig. And you'll call that segment movie going one on one with Tig every episode.

What was the first movie you remember seeing in the movie theater? I think it was Star Wars. Okay. That's good. I mean, we were sick. So we were. That's the 71 March first R rated movie that you remember seeing in theater or in VHS or whatever.

Porkies. Oh yeah. Yeah. I couldn't go near that one. I was, that was so foreboding in my life. I would have really. I don't think anybody was saying, sure, go ahead and watch it. I think, um, you know, there was just other activities going on at my house that were more

interesting to my mother than, uh, monitoring what I was watching up here watching porkies. Right. It's such a dumb movie now that we look back though, you know, didn't you know it was a dumb movie when you were watching? No, because I didn't see it till I was much older because I just thought it was, um, I thought it was like, you know, the sexiest movie ever made because there were body parts in there that aren't usually shown. And I literally thought it was like the filthiest movie.

Yeah. Like I have no recollection of the movie. I just know nakedness. Yeah. I just, I just know I watched it and I know it was rated R. Will you walk out of a bad movie and do you remember doing so? I have, I did walk out of a bad movie. Do you remember it?

I do. Are you willing to go on record? I am not because a friend of mine was in it. Oh no. Okay. And I, I was stunned. About how bad it was? Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. And then I, I saw a bad movie. I, I think it was not tremendous. And I didn't walk out because my friend and I were laughing so hard that it ended up being so fun. Oh, laughing in the wrong way. Yeah.

What was that one? Can you say that one? It was Kong. Kong. Skull Island. Oh, like the recent thing. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. Did you see it? No. It looked, I knew better. Why did you go see that? Well, I love, you've got better things to do. I love the original King Kong movie. Yeah.

Same here. Yeah. The original meaning Jessica Lange. Yeah. And so when this movie was coming out, I was, I just was hopeful and my hope was completely annihilated. Yeah. It was supposed to be really bad.

It was just me and my friend and two other people in the theater and I don't know what the other people thought of us, but we were laughing so hard. Yeah. Oh, so funny. It's one of the funniest things I've ever seen. I just can't believe it. Well, that's good that you stuck it out. You didn't walk out.

I wanted to, but then I just also wanted to see how much this would escalate into ridiculousness. Yeah. How bad it could get. This movie felt like they turned in the first draft. Nobody gave a note. Yeah. Everyone was just like, all right, all cameras go. Yeah.

Let's do it. Yeah. Let's do it. We wrote the movie. Can you name a guilty pleasure movie? Aside from Under the Rainbow. A good point. Like is there one that you go back to a lot that's just kind of ridiculous and dumb?

Yeah, I guess some people think it's ridiculous and dumb, and actually now that I'm a fairly educated adult, I can see some flaws in ways that are not socially acceptable. It's not just socially acceptable, but there's horrendous behavior and you're cheering for an abusive person. But Urban Cowboy. Yeah. That is a nearly perfect film as far as I'm concerned, and that's a guilty pleasure because I just, I think I relate to it and connect to it because a lot of, like living in Texas

as a kid. And that was Houston too, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. And living outside of Houston, a lot of these people look very familiar to me and the Urban Cowboys that lived in penthouse apartments and drove the big trucks and cowboy hats. And you know, my parents were friends with, specifically this couple that we used to go over to their house.

It felt like John Travolta and that new girl he started to date with the hair down to the back. Yeah. Down the back. The Crystal Gale hairs. Crystal Gale looking lady. I've seen her live at the rodeo. But anyway, so yeah, I would say Urban Cowboy for sure.

I could watch that movie and I love Deborah Winger. Oh man, she was so good. I mean, she still is. She is who I wanted to play my mother on one Mississippi and she wanted to play my mother on one Mississippi and wrote me this unbelievable email. Oh wow. Just desperately wanting this to work. And then she got booked on.

She had another show, right? Called The Ranch. Yeah, which I haven't seen. I've watched in Kutcher. It's like a sitcom on Netflix. And then Amazon didn't, you know, there was just a lot of like we want somebody that anyway, it didn't work. But the actress that does play my mother on one Mississippi is so phenomenal.

She's great. And it's like one of the things like once you see her, like I can't imagine even Deborah Winger. And I know I already said I didn't want to litter a show with just famous faces, but. That wasn't, that wouldn't be stunt casting though. No. Oh my gosh, Deborah Winger. Yeah.

Nothing better. But Cher. I mean those two. Oh wow. Cher reminds me of my mother. Deborah Winger reminds me of my mother. Oh really? Yeah.

My mother is a little bit of a. Glammy. Well no, she was just, she's very beautiful, but she, she's wild and a little irresponsible. And so that character in masks. Yeah. Reminded me a bit of my relationship at times with my mother. And I think it's also why it kind of killed me a bit. Yeah.

But before we get to question five, I was going to ask you was like, what was it about masks specifically for you? Yeah. It was the parent-child connection. And I did feel like a lot of times I was the mature together one and that I was a lot of times parenting and trying to get my mother to pull it together in different ways and you know. Yeah.

Never happened, but. Well that kind of came through on the TV show. I kind of had a feeling that might have been part of it. What do you mean? Oh the. Part of your love for the connection to masks. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. For sure. Yeah. Cher's portrayal very much reminds me of my mother. But I also really connected to Deborah Winger as my mother because of that like just passionate like I'll rip your face off. I love my kids. Yeah.

I love to share kind of love for their kids. Uh-huh. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. I saw big mistake. I saw terms of adieu, believe it or not, for the first time last year on a plane and had to like put on my sunglasses and like in my seat and then I told my wife after she's

like, what the fuck did you watch that on a plane? Yeah. Yeah. So you know what that movie is? I was like, I thought I could handle it. But yeah, I could not handle it. Have you seen that? Yeah.

I don't know why it took me so long to see that movie because I loved Deborah Winger. Yeah. I'm certainly a gentleman. It's one of my favorite movies of all time. Yeah. Yeah. And just speaking of wrecking me. Yeah.

The whole movie wrecked me. Uh, and finally, um, what is your, do you have like a movie ritual? Like do you kind of sit in the same place or get the same thing at the concession stand or? Oh boy. I have always been somebody that gets popcorn. Uh-huh. Well, I love Barks Rubeir.

Barks, you know, it's from Mississippi. Uh-huh. Um, I would always get Barks, no ice, I'd always be like, don't, don't you even put ice in there because it comes out cold anyway. Uh-huh. Sure. So just fill up the large one with Barks, no ice. Yeah.

You get so much more Rubeir. Yeah. And, uh, and I don't typically eat like that, but when I would go to the movies, I was like, fill me up. Yeah. Big ol' Barks and extra large big gulp of popcorn and then throw some milk duds into the popcorn. Yeah.

And, um- Classic move. But now I'm vegan. Oh. So Stephanie just reminded me the other day, she's like, uh, our milk duds days are gone. Oh yeah. Yeah. And do you sit in sort of the same area or do you care?

You know, um, this girl I dated several years ago, she told me the trick at this one theater in Los Angeles. Which one? Um, well, I don't want to tell you because I don't want, in case you're in town, if you're going to see a movie when I'm going to see- Would it be that awful to bump into me? No, it's the, uh, well, I don't want you to steal my good seat. Oh, okay.

Uh, it's at the Grove. Okay. Yeah. And if you sit with, you sit behind where there's, um, bars, I think it might be a handicap seating is in front. So there's no chairs there. So if there's nobody in a wheelchair sitting there and you sit behind those bars, you can just put your feet on those bars.

Yeah, I guess you could be a total jerk and put your feet up there if there's a wheelchair there. Yeah. But I would highly suggest being, uh, a considerate human. Yeah. Not doing that. Put your feet down, you slob. Uh-huh.

But, uh, anyway. Wow. So that's your, that's your secret tip. Yeah. Grove. But I also always have had a fantasy of going to a movie, walking to the front, the very front row, you know, right or left corner by myself, just in an empty theater. That was, uh, that's John Ronson's move.

He sits in the front left seat. Well, I'll see him there. I'll sit on his lap. So strange. Kind of like to see that. Um, I, I know we have to wrap up. I will say this is what my fantasy of, I've always wanted to do is go into the, um, Grove and just start making announcements to the theater and not work there, obviously.

And just see how that goes for me. Yeah. See what takes. Yeah. And because the person, you know, that does work there is going to come in and, and need to do the announcements and ask me, would you just freewheel it or? Yeah. Just like, make sure you get your ticket validated and, you know, no talking, turn off your cell

phones. Oh, so like real legit. Really tell people the rules, you know, please no talk, you know, just bathrooms are over here and if you have to get up and get in and then the person, the job that is comes in and sees me doing it. Yeah. Oh, one day. One day.

I'll do it. All right. Thanks. Thanks for having me. Appreciate you coming in. All right. All right, so how about that Tig Nataro and mask mere seconds after getting the news that she was going to live a very, very intense, cool conversation.

She is the best. The fact that she soldiered on through this and we, I feel like we really shared a moment. And I think she even admitted it on the show that she's going to remember this one for a while. So I feel lucky to have, to have been with her when she found that news out. Very grateful that this all worked out this way and not a bad way to get the second show off the ground. So I hope you enjoyed it and we will see you next time on movie crush.

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