Stuff You Should Know - Selects: How The Pill Changed the World

Episode Date: December 7, 2024

When the birth control pill hit the market in 1960 it landed like a social bomb. Almost overnight, women gained the ability to separate sex from pregnancy and everything from feminism to patients’ rights centered on it. Find out all about its history in this classic episode.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to Post Run High on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey everybody, here's Chuck this week on a Saturday with a pretty relevant topic these days. Who knew that it would be relevant again? And this is from June 19th, 2018. How the pill changed the world. I think you know what pill we're talking about. Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant and there's

the ghost of Jerry Rowland. The empty chair. Thanks again. Thanks again to Ramsey. Yeah. Thanks Ramsey. How do I feel about this? I feel great. The pill is it has everything. This might be I just love this episode already. I do too, but I... Kind of like when we did the female puberty episode, I just feel... Nervous. This is gonna be fine. Dudes explaining female reproduction. I just... I don't know. Hey man, we're just... we're just explaining stuff.

I know, I know. It's not like we're... we're just... we're just explaining stuff. Just be cool. Hahaha. Uh, alright, so It's not like we're just explaining stuff. Just be cool. All right, so let's talk the pill. Yeah, the opposite of having kids. The pharmaceutical so famous that it's called the pill. It is. I read this New Yorker article about a book on the birth of the pill.

And now I'm talking about it. So everything comes full circle. And they were saying like, you don't call anything else the pill, like Viagra is not the pill. It's the little blue pill. Antibiotics isn't the pill. You don't call it the vacuum or the meat grinder, right? Like there's really nothing like that.

Nothing compares to it. And it's for good reason. There's really nothing like that. Nothing compares to it. It's for good reason. The pill is monumentally huge as far as pharmaceuticals and medicine goes. I mean, on the scale of antibiotics easily. Yeah. It's the very first medication that was designed for a non-therapeutic purpose too. Yes.

Very interesting. And so it's really difficult to overstate how much of an impact the pill had when they released it in 1960s when it first came out. Are we going to do history first? Yeah, let's. All right, let's do that. So let me set the stage for you. Please.

Oh, you're bringing a couch out back in back in the day I'm going to do my charles nelson riley one man show impression back in the day, um, if you were a woman And you didn't want to get pregnant You had to coordinate with your husband um That he wore a condom.

Okay? Sure, or boyfriend. Well, that's like a whole other kettle of fish at this time. Supposedly, socially, that went on all the time. There's plenty of premarital sex, but socially speaking, only single men were allowed to have premarital sex, which is like, who are they having

premarital sex with then, right? If they're the only ones allowed to have premarital sex. Which is like, who are they having premarital sex with then? Right? If they're the only ones allowed to have premarital sex. Considering everyone refused to officially recognize homosexuality even existed. Yeah, I know where you're getting. Okay. So there are a lot of double standards, a lot of repression going on. But if you were a woman and you wanted to have sex, so whether it was with the guy you were having sex with or your husband, you basically had to say, you got to wear a condom. And if you said no, well, you were SOL one way or another.

Either you weren't having sex or you're going to have sex without a condom. And if that happened, there was a really good chance that you were going to end up getting pregnant just from having sex. Yeah, the ball was entirely in the man's court and women did not have much say in the matter. No, they didn't. There were a couple of things on the market. So before the industrial revolution, there were like folk remedies where you could use herbs and stuff like that. Basically, I think they're called herbal douches, where you're just like squeezing stuff in there

and like hoping for the best, right? And then by the depression, there's something, there's a whole line of stuff called gynecological aids or feminine hygiene, I think is what it's called. And some of them worked, some of them kind of worked, some of them didn't work, some of them worked but would kill you or give you chemical burns.

There was a lot of problems. So you didn't have a lot of options, right? And then along with the fact that you actually didn't have that many options, socially in 1950, 30 states in the federal government said you can't have anything that that can be used as a contraceptive and you can't even learn about it from your doctor or from school yeah 30 states in the federal government this is 1950 ten years later the pill comes out. And a couple of years after that, 5 million American women are using it as a contraception.

And now it was in their hands. They had the ability to decide for themselves whether sex led to pregnancy or not. Matthew Feeney Well, and sort of even then. Because not all states allowed it. And not all doctors would give it out. So it wasn't like, oh, the FDA said it's good to go so we can all get it. It was still a fight for years and years and decades. It really was.

So I guess we should start with a woman named Margaret Sanger. She is a very controversial figure, founder of Planned Parenthood. She's a nurse and she wrote in 1912 about a magic pill that could prevent conception. Matthew Feeney Yeah, just a theoretical, hypothetical pill. Matthew Feeney Right. And she's controversial for many reasons, not the least is which is her. She was anti-abortion kind of when she was most famous, she was anti-abortion and kind of went all in on the pill and was like, this is the way to do it is to prevent the pregnancy.

Once you're pregnant, sorry. Matthew Fosk... Gotcha. Peter T. Leeson And then, you know, there's the whole eugenics thing. We should do a podcast on her probably at some point. Matthew Fosk We should. Peter T. Leeson Because that's a rabbit hole right there. Matthew Fosy Yeah. So, but she was the early champion of it.

She coined the term birth control in I think 1912 as well. Matthew Feeney Yeah. So in 1914, she started a newsletter called The Woman Rebel. That's where birth control was first typed out and distributed. The words, like you said. And then in the 1920s, some breakthroughs happened in science where they were able to identify progesterone and estrogen and realized kind of how it all worked. Yeah. So, at first, they were looking at this stuff as fertility drugs and then they noticed that

it actually could suppress fertility and As they were I think this is in the 40s when they were really starting in earnest or is it the 20s? Well, I mean they were since synthesizing it from animals and it was in early 1941 I don't think they were even synthesizing I think they were it. And then that's what you got in your pill was animal hormones. Well, it says synthesized from animals. Maybe it was a process. Gotcha. But eventually in 1941, Dr. Marker, Dr. Russell Marker, just said it like James Bond for some reason,

he discovered how to synthesize the synthetic form of progesterone, which is called progestin. And that really, this is from wild yams, believe it or not. So we did that and that changed everything. Matthew Feeney It did. It made it cheaper. It made it easier to obtain. Matthew Feeney You could research all of a sudden. Matthew Feeney Right.

But you still couldn't really research, right? Because there were laws on even doing research on birth control. So the people who were doing this, it started out as Margaret Sanger. She hooked up with a doctor named Pincus and Gregory Pincus, who was a biologist and he was interested in coming up with birth control as well. Mary McCormick, was her first name Mary? Catherine. Catherine McCormick. Of the McCormick, I her first name Mary? Catherine. Catherine McCormick. Of the McCormick, I guess the spices, right?

So she lent a tremendous amount of her wealth to this research. And then a guy named John Rock, who was a doctor who was also working on a birth control pill. They all joined forces in the 1950s and started working on this really hard. But they had a lot of roadblocks up against them and they cut a lot of corners in getting this thing out into market. Matthew Feeney Yeah, like going to Puerto Rico to because they had to for trials. Matthew Feeney Right. And so this is not like Puerto Rico was like, we don't want this,

but you're forcing it on us anyway. Puerto Rico had the exact opposite attitudes toward birth control that the United States did at the time. Yeah. So it was a good place to do it. They just didn't inform anybody what was going on with this, that this was a clinical trial. They just gave them some pills and said, here, take these. It'll keep you from getting pregnant.

Yeah, which they kind of came about by accident. Some of the pills were contaminated with estrogen and they use that in scare quotes, I guess, just because what they really mean is mixed by accident. And that reduced a lot of the side effects because that was one of the big problems at first and continued to be for a while. And eventually they landed on a drug company called Serol. There were two competing ones and the other one was Syntex. And Serol, is that how you pronounce it?

Serol. Serol. That's what I'm going with. S-E-A-R-L-E. Serol. Serol. I want to hear you say it again. Serol.

They finally came up with what they thought was the right formulation and in 1962 Syntex came out with their version and then pretty soon it was being marketed and distributed after FDA approval in 1961. Matthew Feeney So, yeah. So Searle was the one who hooked up with Sanger and Rock, yeah. And they were the ones who provided the pills for the clinical trial in Puerto Rico. There was also a clinical trial at a women's mental asylum in Massachusetts, and the patients there didn't have any informed consent.

And when they released this formula, first it was for gynecological disorders, things like ovarian cysts. They knew it could be used to treat that. And Searle at the time was like, they had no expectations for this whatsoever. And then within a year, there were half a million women in America who were suddenly using this for gynecological problems. And Searle figured out, well, they're actually using it for contraception. And. And Searle figured out, well, they're actually using it for contraception. And so when they went and sought FDA approval and got it, that was when the floodgates opened.

There was now a pill on the market that could prevent contraception that was the woman's to take. And all of a sudden, the first year, there was 1.2 million American women on the pill. And Cyril at first thought they're not going to want this. Women aren't going to want to take a pill every day to keep from getting pregnant. They couldn't even finish the name pregnant before the pills were being grabbed from their hands. It was a huge deal. It was. And then these pills were not very safe. That's the upshot of this. The estrogen, there was way too much estrogen.

It was dangerous. It was causing cancer. And in 1969, a very famous book came out called The Doctor's Case Against the Pill written by a medical journalist named Barbara Seaman. And she got together with a bunch of doctors and researchers and women and made a case against the pill that it wasn't safe. There was a senator named Gaylord Nelson who read the book, took on birth control in Senate hearings and in January 1970 in the Senate chamber, there was this testimony about the

pill going on, of course, run only by men. All the witnesses? With only men testifying, providing witness testimony. But there was a woman there named Alice Wolfson and her group, the DC Women's Liberation Group, they were sitting there just getting more and more steamed. Yeah, in these hearings, at this time these hearings were kind of under the radar. Right. Until Alice Wolfson like blew it up.

The C-SPAN wasn't a thing yet. Right. So they were just getting more and more steamed watching all these men get up there and talking about women's reproductive health and... But not only that, they were also, these people were talking about how dangerous the side effects were with the pill. Sure. Hypertension, blood clots, heart attacks, high blood pressure, stroke, all of these things and the women in the DC Women's Lib Movement including Alice Wolfson were like, we've never heard this before in our lives.

How did our doctors not tell us this? Matthew Feeney Well, that was the back story is that none of the doctors were sharing this information because they were getting and I think there's always been a problem, not across the board but with doctors and pharmaceutical companies pushing certain drugs over others. Matthew Feeney But even – but at the time, it was way worse than it is now. Like there was an actual – Matthew Feeney There was no disclosure.

Matthew Feeney Yeah. There was a mentality among doctors, male doctors, who believed that if you – a woman was better off not knowing. You didn't want to get her all upset by giving her all the information. They didn't even have side effects listed. Right. And if you did tell her you ran the risk since women were so suggestible, she might develop a stroke just by thinking about it so much. So it was better off just not telling her about it. That was the entire medical establishment at the time.

And so the pill went from this feminist icon in the 60s to by 1970 becoming an icon for white male medical patriarchy and how patients informed consent was a paramount issue now. And it just took on this other role. Matthew Feeney Well, and informed consent was literally born that day at that hearing. They finally heard an expert say, estrogen is to cancer, what fertilizer is to wheat. And Alice Wolfson stood up and started screaming. She was screaming, why are you using women as guinea pigs?

Why are you letting drug companies murder us for profit and convenience? And it got a lot of media attention and really the aftermath of those hearings is when this consumer health movement started and they started informed consent. They started having to list side effects on bottles and, you know, it wasn't an overnight thing, but it really changed the pharmaceutical industry forever. Right. So the pill managed to accept this, I guess, iconography, right? It became a symbol for this other thing. Yeah.

But still managed to keep on keeping on. Like, I think 18, so 87% of women between 18 and 49 in the US followed those hearings. Once Alice Wolfson and the DC Women's Lib Movement like made it a national thing. And I think 18% of them stopped taking the pill as a result. But the pill really didn't fall out of popularity. It stood in as the icon for informed consent.

And then just after that was established, it just went back to being the pill. I think that's amazing. It is. Because it was this huge thing in 1960 for one thing, huge thing in 1970 for another thing. And now it's part of the cultural zeitgeist forever. Should we take a break? Yes.

All right, we're going to take a break. We're all excited about history. And now we're going to get into science. ["Science Theme"] This is Tracy V. Wilson from Stuff You Missed in History Class. Do you like podcasts, music, and audio books? Because when you subscribe to Amazon Music Unlimited, you get all three in one app. Imagine listening to your favorite podcasts

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like there's nothing to do other than surrender to what's happening. I just kept feeling like in the moment, like the only way out is through. I just felt like I had to feel it all and had to be present through it. Find Dear Chelsea on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever talk menstrual cycles. All right, let's man. Because that's all that's going on here is the pill manipulates the menstrual cycle by tricking the body with synthetic hormones. Yes, it tricks the body into thinking it's already released an egg.

It's pretty brilliant. It is, it is. But it's also kind of lo-fi if you think about it. It is very lo an egg. It's pretty brilliant. It is, it is. But it's also kind of lo-fi if you think about it. It is very lo-fi. It's neat. So we should kind of give you an idea of what the menstrual cycle is, right? It's 28 days.

Generally. Yes, that's the rule of thumb. But yes, it's certainly different. It's different for every woman, yeah. And I think it's also down to like hours and stuff like that, too It's not just days. It's a human construct, you know But have you stopped and ever thought about like how interesting it is that the cycle of the moon is like 28 days as well No, I think it's fascinating. Oh, no, I didn't say I wasn't passing. I never stopped it. I just think just in researching this

I was like, that's the cycle of the moon as well. Oh, that's interesting So anyway over the say roughly 28 day period the whole thing starts with the pituitary gland getting a little froggy and Saying hey, I'm gonna release some follicle stimulating hormones at that stage and that stuff floods the body and it makes its way down to the ovaries and it stimulates follicles, hence the name. That's right. It makes these follicles and the ovaries grow. And it just sets off a big series of events basically. Estrogen triggers that pituitary gland again.

Yeah, because the follicles then in turn release estrogen, right? Yeah, and so the pituitary gland is busy because then it secretes what's called gonadotropin-releasing hormone, G little n, big R, big H. One of the better abbreviations ever. Yeah, because it looks sort of like Guns N' Roses. A little bit, yeah. Oh, that is why I like that. G and R, H. And that triggers a rise in luteinizing hormone, LH. Right, and so luteinizing hormone goes back down to the ovarian follicles,

and it gets one of the follicles, so if you have a bunch of ovarian follicles growing, one of them's going to clearly, it's the lead horse, right? Yeah. It's going to develop into an egg. And as the luteinizing hormone stimulates it to develop into an egg, the egg pops off, the rest of the other follicles wither and die, and then the egg travels down the fallopian tube,

where it may or may not be fertilized. And then the egg travels down the fallopian tube where it may or may not be fertilized. Yeah, this is called ovulation. And while this is going on in the background, the uterine lining, the endometrium is thickening up. It's getting ready for business. And the reason that is is because the estrogen and the luteinizing hormone are causing that to happen.

Yeah, they're just rising and rising. So, the mucus in the vagina, I'm saying like even more than usual right now, but the mucus in the vagina also, does it thicken? Yeah. So, it thickens, is that after the egg has been fertilized because I think it would make it it would become Okay, so it de thickens the uterine lining thickens I think the vaginal mucus makes it makes it easier for sperm to make its way. Yeah. Yeah, correct Okay, sorry about that. So that's so if all that goes

According to the genetic plan then those sperm going to make their way to an egg. The egg is going to become fertilized. It's going to come down the fallopian tube, attach to the uterus, and it's going to start to grow into a child. Correct. It might also not happen. Either the woman involved might not have sex, so there might be no sperm. The sperm might not make it. There might be some sort of barrier method being made. Yeah, or the dude may have bad sperm. Sure.

Regardless of how this happens, if the egg is not fertilized, the egg eventually withers up itself and dissolves, and that thickened endometrium is shed, basically. Yeah, the uterine lining is shed. Yes. So when they have like kind of iron rich blood tissue. Right. That is menstruation.

That's menstruation. So when you think of, but that's your period. The whole thing is menstruation. It's like a 28 day cycle is menstruation. Because I always think of like, yeah, the period's menstruation. No, that's actually the end of menstruation. And then the whole cycle begins again. Right after that time, the pituitary glands like, oh, all right, I'll release some follicle-stimulating hormone.

The whole thing begins again. The pill interrupts this by making the body think it's already released an egg. Like when the egg comes off of the follicle and makes its way down to the fallopian tube, the ovum makes its way down the fallopian tube. That's when the estrogen and the progesterone levels are high, okay? So the pill introduces progesterone and estrogen levels and keeps

them high at all times. And therefore, the body stops releasing eggs because it thinks it's already released an egg. Matthew Feeney Yeah, it just hijacks that whole process, synthetically. The woman's body is amazing when you think about all that's going on. Matthew Feeney Yeah, our body is not doing anything even remotely like that. It's making like farts. That's what I thought. When I was researching this, I was like, man, I've never felt less important.

And like the insides of my body are just, I got some lungs doing some things, I got a heart and then like I guess I'm still making sperm. I don't even know. I've got like a wheezy old donkey running the show in there. Kind of dirty. Oh goodness. So the endometrium still builds up in the uterus and is released but it's known as withdrawal period so this is if you're on the pill.

But that's why your period while on the pill is going to be generally lighter and shorter. Yeah. And so technically the pill mimics the structure called the corpus luteum, which is the thing that releases progesterone and estrogen once an egg is released. So the body is like, oh, the corpus luteum has got it going on. I don't need to release another egg. I also am not going to have a period because during this time after the pill Those hormone levels start to become like a normal baseline in the woman's body There's no endometrium that builds up and therefore there's no endometrium to shed right and I don't think we mentioned this yet

Progestin which is the synthetic progesterone, right? It's going to make that Vaginal mucus thicker so you're right earlier, it is thinner to make the sperm, make it, excess the eggs easier. It will thicken up that mucus to make it harder for the sperm. So it, I think it's just sort of like a one-two punch to make it even harder to get pregnant. Although you can still get pregnant usually due to misuse of the pill because what you do is you take the pill at the same time every day. It's all very synchronous and depends on that timing. And if you don't time it out right, your chances of getting pregnant are a little bit more, but apparently if you're taking it exactly right at the same time, then your failure rate is going to be 0.3%.

So, it's still technically possible. Yes, it is. 0.3% possible. Which offers up the question like why, like when they were developing the pill, they had it completely in their control as to what they wanted to do with the menstrual cycle. And they decided, and I never knew this, it's very interesting, they decided to keep it on that 28-day cycle because for a lot of reasons. They thought, the Rock thought the Catholic Church, because he was a Catholic, they might be more willing to approve it if it seemed more natural, I guess. Right, he was way off there.

They thought way off. He thought that women would be more apt to take it if it didn't seem like it was disrupting things too much. Yeah, like I'm still in my regular cycle. Right, because you do have that withdrawal period. It's not an actual real period, but it does come at the end of that the pill cycle. Yeah, but they could have gotten rid of the period altogether. Right, and a lot of people are like, well, go do that. And there are pills on the market that we'll talk about that do take away women's periods. There's others that put them at different spaces of the amount, like four times a year

or something like that. And people started looking into this and they're like, well, wait a minute, like, shouldn't women be having periods? And the answer is not necessarily, right? Yeah, I mean, it's controversial. Like if you're not ovulating, you technically don't have to have a period. And this Molly Edmonds wrote this really interesting pill. An old Molly.

Article. Yeah. Like, is a period necessary molly. Matthew Feeney Article. Peter Van Doren Yeah. Matthew Feeney Like is a period necessary I think is what it's called. Peter Van Doren Because women today have many more periods than our ancestors. Matthew Feeney Right. Something on the order of like 450 periods over the average woman's lifetime. Peter Van Doren Yeah, about three times as many as our ancestors did.

Matthew Feeney Yeah. So like back in like hunter gatherer, pre-agricultural women had about 160 or something, right? And that was because they had more kids, they breastfed longer. They didn't live as long. They didn't live as long, yeah. And so some people make the point like, well, women are having more periods than ever before and the body wasn't meant for this.

It's actually kind of rough on the body to have a period. Like when the ovum pops off of the fallopian tube, it leaves a scar on the ovary. And that scar has to be repaired. And to repair, the cells in the ovary have to divide. And as long as they divide correctly, that damage will be repaired. If they divide incorrectly,

that damage can turn into ovarian cancer. So that's a problem with it. There's also scarring with the shedding of the endometrium, like actually having your period itself can leave scarring. Same deal, right? Yeah. And I think, doesn't iron deficiency come into play? So that's actually a benefit of having a period.

You get rid of excess iron, which can lead to cardiovascular disease. Well, and there are a couple of weeks during the menstrual cycle where women have a lot of significant reduction in blood pressure. So during the years, their reproductive years at least, they are at, I guess, a slightly lower risk of stroke and heart attack. I think like 10% lower. Yeah, well, that's not bad. No, not at all.

So there's pros and there's cons to having a period. The thing is, and this is what Molly ultimately points out, is we actually don't know if a period is necessary. Like the pill is still relatively new. And I think she quoted a doctor in there, Dr. Susan Rothko, I think, or Roko, and she called the pill that does away with periods entirely the greatest unregulated medical experiment of all time. And she makes a chilling point, like we don't really know what the side effects are yet because all of this is too new, especially the pill that does away with the period altogether.

Well, yeah, and they haven't done, there are no long-term studies of menstrual suppression from oral contraceptives at least. They don't know about what that means for a woman. They don't know because most of this testing is done for women over 18, so they don't know what it means for women under 18 at all because they're just not involved in the research. Even though they do have research that shows about two-thirds of women would get rid of their period if they could do so safely because, I mean we have any mention PMS or PPMD which is just, isn't that like a really, really

severe form of PMS? Yeah. It's like much worse. Yeah. Whereas like PMS is not a picnic to begin with. This is like go to the hospital bad. That's really interesting to think about. It also treats ovarian cysts. There's other uses for burst control pills too.

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Chelsea Handler here. This week on the Dear Chelsea podcast, Riley Keough discusses the memoir she co-wrote with her mother, Lisa Marie Presley. But it's also such a gift to be able to sit here and say as an adult woman, I had such a good mother. Yes. That is a gift mother. Yes.

That is a gift. I know. She certainly was not like a, I don't know what a perfect mother is. Well, she wasn't a traditional mother. She wasn't a traditional mother. I am so grateful to have had her as a mother. To have that kind of love.

It felt like when you were on the plane ride coming home, texting with your dad about whether or not she was alive still, there was almost an acceptance from you that that was the way it was going to be. Instead of sometimes, you know, we resist and fight the reality that we're in. I think a lot of my lifetime has been acceptance. There's been a lot of things where I've just had to, like there's nothing to do other than surrender to what's happening. I just kept feeling like in the moment, like the only way out is through. I just felt like I had to feel it all and had to be present through it.

Find Dear Chelsea on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, Chuck, where are we? Oh, we were talking about... I'm over here hanging on this cliff by my fingernails. I think you're doing great. Isn't he doing great, everybody? Yes. No. So remember, so there are side effects, both positive and negative to taking the pill.

There's some very common negative side effects like nausea is a big one, weight gain, spotting, which is called breakthrough menstruation, which is where you have bleeding during the actual pill cycle, not the prescribed period cycle of the pill. Yeah, and I don't think we mentioned yet either that in the pill prescription, in that monthly dose, there are seven, not always, but the way they designed it was there are seven placebo pills that are in there because you only take the pill for 21 days a month, but they put those extra seven pills in there to keep women on that. I guess the thinking was if they're used to taking this pill every day, they need to keep

doing it. Otherwise... Right, to keep it as a habit. Yeah, if they don't for seven days, they might forget on the eighth day and that's bad news. Yeah, so that's the most common way to do it and those that's a very easy type of pill to take, right? Because all of them are the same level of hormone and the the seven inert ones are usually a different color and they come at the end of the month. It's supposed to be easy. There's actually a recall right now of Tetula. Did you see that?

No. Tetula is made up by Allergan, I think, and they recalled a lot of their pills because they put the inert ones at the beginning of the cycle accidentally. Just bad packaging? Yes. Oh my gosh. And if you look, you can clearly see that the first like seven are different color, but where they're supposed to be at the end, they're at the beginning and that is bad news if you're taking that pill.

So if you have Taitula, go check it right now and go get some more. Yeah, but I think it interrupted you on the side effects, nausea, headaches, breast soreness, acne, depression, moodiness, weight gain, decreased libido. Sometimes these can be like if you start out on the pill, it can be worse. A few cycles in, it might get better. If it doesn't, there are different pills out there. There are there's so the the when those pills originally came out that first formula I think it was called like Inovid.

That was the first one on the market first one by Searle. And they had 10 milligrams of progesterone or progestin and 0.15 milligrams of estrogen. And that is like a nuclear bomb pill. Women had the worst side effects from it, like all these side effects, like each of them a Mack truck. And they were still willing to go through it to have control of their body as far as pregnancy went. But they very quickly figured out through further research,

you can do the same, and the reason they selected that is they knew that there was not gonna be any ovulation with 10 milligrams of progesterone. And so they figured out that you could formulate with a much lower amount of both progesterone and estrogen and still get the job done. And they still do that today. I think the estrogen gets down into the micrograms

and you can get like 2.5 milligrams of progesterone in some forms of the pill. Yeah. And then, so if the pill is mistreating you, what you're saying is there are options, right? Well, yeah, there are three main types of oral... Did I say kipes? I think I did.

You also said serial. There are three main types of the oral contraceptive pills now, combination pills, progestin only, and extended release, which are the newest ones out there. The combination pill is the most common pill that you will get. The mini pill is the progestin only. And for some women that's better, like if you're breastfeeding and you can't have the estrogen, because it's going to affect your milk, you'll probably be on the mini pill. And the mini pill, peel, it works in a couple of different ways.

It makes the endometrium too thin to accept that egg. And it won't allow it to attach. And again, with the vaginal mucus, it makes it too thick to allow the sperm to reach the egg. But it is a little less effective, but still effective, but a little less than the combination pill. Because it's almost like a different, there are different mechanisms. Yeah, like it's 28 active pills for the mini pill. Right, but rather than tricking the body into thinking it's released an egg, this is just making it hard to get pregnant.

Yes. Right? Exactly. It's almost like a different kind of pill. And then there's, what's the other kind? Well, the combination pill, the most common, there's a few subtypes of that pill as well. Right, so there's monophasic, which is what I was talking about, where you've got 21 pills and all of them are the same dose of progestin and estrogen, and then you've got the 7 inert

pills. And some women say, I'm not going to have a period this month. And then you just, rather than taking those seven inert pills, you just move on to the next month's 21 pills. Yes, and I believe with the monophasic, if you miss a day, you can double up the next day. Because it's the same amount of pills, or the same level of hormones, right?

So yeah, and that's far and away the most common. There's biphasic, which has two different levels of hormones. And then triphasic has three different levels. And the point of biphasic and triphasic is they're designed to give you the absolute minimum amount of synthetic hormones that your body requires to keep from ovulating. Because the point is, the lower the amount of hormones you have in there, probably the

better off you are. Whether it's cancer risk, moodiness, who knows? You're just better off with the least amount that does the trick. Yeah, and the kind of progestin in each of these is going to vary, but the type of synthetic estrogen is the same. Right. It's called ethanol estradiol. Eric Estrada.

Estradiol. That's it. Ethanol estradiol. Yeah. But the progestin is the thing that differs sometimes, right? Correct. And depending if like you're on a pill that uses one type of progestin, you can say, oh, I want to try a different type of progestin and they'll say, here you go.

Matthew Feeney And then the extended cycle, which we talked about, this is the newest one on the market. And I believe, isn't this the one that can reduce your period to like a few four times a year? Brian Smith Yeah. So there's a couple of different, there's Seasonal and Seasonique, and they're called that because that four-time-a-year period, you'll just be like, oh, it's fall, oh, it's summer.

Right. Not in that order, but you know what I'm saying. And then there's Librelle, and I'm sure there's other ones on the market too. We don't mean to buzz market or anything like that. So there's one that's like 365 days, and then there's others that are 84 days, so that you have four, either no periods at all, or four periods a year.

Right. So there you go. So there's a couple of other things I want to hit on. The pill is, it's so much larger than just birth control. Sure. I mean, just the fact that it's birth control is an enormous thing. Like you said, John Rock thought he was going to be able to convince the Catholic Church that this is an OK thing.

Yeah. That was not the case. No. In the late 60s, the Black Power movement really zeroed in on the pill, especially the men of the Black Power movement, and said like, this is tantamount to black genocide. And they definitely had, like, a case. Like, there were plenty of cases of black women

who went into hospitals and gave birth and then came out unknowingly sterilized. Like, the doctor had just taken it upon himself to sterilize after delivering her baby. So they had this evidence to back this up and it was never shown like, yes, there was a conspiracy to wipe out black power in America through the pill, but there were plenty of black women

at the time who said like, yeah, I can get birth control pills easier than anything down at the corner clinic or something like that. And even with the early trials from John Rock and Gregory Pincus, like one of the things that they zeroed in on Puerto Rico for was because they thought that if they could show that backwards, Puerto Ricans of color could learn how to take the pill regularly, it would demonstrate that women in the inner cities could or women in developing countries could. So there was definitely There's definitely like a mentality toward the white establishment being on board with the idea of at least providing the tools for minorities to control their rate of birth. That was just pure and simple. That was a thought of it.

It was. And it's had tremendous amount of benefits too, but there was some darkness in the place that it originally came from as well. Matthew Feeney Well, yeah. And of course, anti-abortion groups think that the pill still to this day is an abortion-causing agent when they call in, do you know how to pronounce that? Matthew Feeney Abortifashion? Matthew Feeney Abortifashion.

Matthew Feeney I think so. Matthew Feeney Yeah, I think that's right Which, you know, that's long been their argument. Well, their argument is that it makes the uterus hostile to a fertilized egg. Like prolonged use would prevent a fertilized egg that would otherwise attach from attaching. And so that's for attach from attaching and so That's for all intents and purposes abortion in their position, right? And yeah, that is I don't think that one's settled by any stretch of the imagination So you got anything else? I got nothing else as I predicted relief. This is a good one Yeah, I think it was good. I think it was great. I hope we did all right. Yeah, cuz we're not like patronizing

We've never been patronizing now might be like white dudes But we're very much aware that we're white dudes and let me leave you with this white dudes Okay, if you're a white dude, whether it's in America or the West or anywhere your one job is to have some perspective That's your first and foremost job Take yourself out of your own shoes once in a while look around put yourself in other people's shoes Your eyes will open widely and in a gog Some say walk a mile sure why not get a little weight off right at least go check the mail If you want to know more about the pill just type in the pill

It'll bring up some cool stuff on howstuffworks.com. There's also a really great American Experience site on PBS that had a bunch of cool stuff. Oh man, that was good. So good. And since I said American Experience and Chuck said so good, it's time for listener mail. Oh no, it's not. No listener mail today. Because we've had some milestones here lately. And as we sit here today in real time, we as a company are celebrating the 10 year anniversary

of Stuff You Should Know. Again. Again. But we're actually having the party today. And on the same day, Apple announced at their... WDCC. Yeah, their developers conference. Got up on stage and this one kind of hit me. Like we had the thousand episodes, that was good.

The ten years kind of hit me in a big way. But they got up on stage today and they said that Stuff You Should Know is now the first podcast in history, first and only, to reach 500 million downloads and streams on their platform. Yeah. Which is, I didn't know. No, it hit me too. Somehow Adam Kroll is in the Guinness Book of World Records.

Right. But here we are as the only one. And that's because of you all out there. Yes, for sure. We've said it a gazillion times, but without you there is no us. We would have been long gone if not for your support. So we continue to give thanks.

Thank you again. Yeah. And we'll continue to give thanks. And we will continue to podcast. Yes, we will, Chuck. Yes, we will. And that's all I got. If you want to get in touch with us,

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