Stuff You Should Know - Short Stuff: Flappers

Episode Date: September 9, 2026

In the 1920s, a certain set of women wanted to loosen up and have a good time. Today, we get into it with the flappers.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Bell, connection is everything. Welcome to Decoding Women's Health. I'm Dr. Elizabeth Pointer, chair of Women's Health and Gynecology at the Atria Health Institute in New York City. I'll be talking to top researchers and clinicians and bringing vital information about midlife women's health directly to you. A hundred percent of women go through menopause. Even if it's natural, why should we suffer through it? Listen to Decoding Women's Health with Dr. Elizabeth Pointer on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, and welcome to the short stuff. I'm Josh, and there's Chuck and Jerry's here doing the Charleston on Dave's behalf,

and this is, you know, short stuff. Let's go now. All right, the year is 1915, everybody. And the word flapper is about to be introduced to the world by way of H.L. Minkin, a writer who wrote a, I guess an essay called The Flapper for the literary magazine. the smart set. What a great, Mag. Yeah.

By the way, we should say that Private Eye is not a rag over in the UK, so sorry, everybody. I'm going to go ahead and assume the smart set wasn't either, but in this article or essay,

Makin is using a term that's already been established. Flapper, it was, I think, British slang for a young girl, right? He's saying, no, no, no. We need to get more specific. There is a young girl it's emerging. They're not here yet, but I can see them coming out of the fabric of culture,

and they are not going to follow these standards and traditions and moral codes that are handed down generation after generation. There's this new thing called media that is coming up, and that's what's going to influence them, and they're going to be total trailblazers. And he was right. Yeah, so the flapper would come along and kick what was known as the Gibson Girl to the curb. The Gibson Girl during the 1910s, was created and popularized from an illustrator named Charles Dana Gibson. And this was like, if you think of the Edwardian sort of corset wearing, updo, hair wearing, choker, you know, like a dress that goes, a skirt that goes all the way to the past the ankle and like a choker up to under the chin. That's the Gibson girl look.

And the flapper came along and said, no, no, no, no, we want to have more fun than that. They did. And they did. And it took the death of tens of millions of people to get them there. Because World War I and the 1918 flu pandemic were a one-two punch that killed a lot of people around the world. And in doing so, both of those things adjusted gender norms to the extent that all of a sudden, like, the world couldn't afford to just keep women off to the side any longer. They were needed more than ever. Like in the workforce, they needed. to be educated. And so it opened all these opportunities for women to just kind of come out from under the thumb of their fathers and then their husbands. Yeah. And this kind of happened around 1920 when the roaring 20s came on the scene. There was a new woman emerging from the cocoon that kind of coincided with like, hey, we'd like to have a right to vote, kind of early feminist causes as well. And both the 18th and 19th amendments were both, you know, pretty crucial to the rise of this new.

kind of style of woman, which was a prohibition, which sent people into underground bars hanging out, and then the right to vote. And both of these things were sort of like a rejection of the Victorian code that came before. Yeah, big time. I mean, this wasn't like a transition over, you know, the course of decades that just one piece followed another. This was like a razor blade cutting off the old guard and starting anew. And it was led by this leading edge of young, like, early 20s, late teens, girls who just completely just changed everything. They went against so many norms. They started smoking.

They started drinking. Women did not do those things at that time. They started wearing makeup. Women did not wear makeup unless you were a sex worker or an actress. They just did all this stuff that up to that point was just not done, and they just started doing it all of a sudden. Yeah, two other big things that kind of spur this was the rise of the automobile, and more people had cars. So all of a sudden, not only could young women drive themselves places, and they weren't literally sort of under lock and key of their home or their parents' homes. But all of a sudden, boys and young men could come along and pick them up and take them out on a date.

And, you know, sometimes things would happen in cars. and like everything was changing. The other big one was the radio. KD.K.A. and Pittsburgh was the first, I guess, commercial broadcast station. And by 1924, there were more than 600 of those. And all of a sudden, there was like music happening and movies happening that featured different styles in young women like, you know, dancing and having fun. Yeah, people driving around in convertibles in New York, booming JZ. It was amazing.

Yeah. I thought that was so stupid. No, it was great. Let's take a break and we'll come back and Chuck and I are going to work out whether that was actually stupid or not. The long loading times, the glitchy video calls. That's your house. for better internet. Switch to Bell Pure Fiber, Canada's most reliable internet awarded by Open Signal from $75 a month.

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go check out on Ladylike the podcast. It's great, and so is Kristen. Exactly. So there was a new woman that emerged from that right to vote. You can kind of say that those two amendments that came out so quickly together, the 18th and 19th. One was for the flappers. That was the prohibition on alcohol because it created speakeasies, like you said. The right to vote, that created this kind of other thread of.

of women called the new woman who were very interested in being active politically and socially. The flappers were like, yeah, you go have fun with that. We're going to go get wasted and hang out in speakeasies in New York and just live our funnest lives. Yeah, or maybe go see a Clara Bow movie

because in 1922, Clara Bow debuted and Beyond the Rainbow and kind of defined the flapper look. She had that hair bob, She had a little bit of makeup on. The flapper style was really coming in vogue. In real life, you had none other than Zelda Fitzgerald as a late teen when she was with F. Scott Fitzgerald when he first gained fame. I think before she was writing even.

And she was sort of one of the first big it girls and certainly embodied that flapper style. Yeah. Also, I don't know who I said was the first it girl. But I was wrong. It was in some other podcast a lot back. But whoever it was was in like the 40s or 50s. But I think Claire Bow is the actual first it girl. Okay.

And then I guess Zelda Fitzgerald was the first real-life-it-girl. But let's talk about some of those fashions that people like Claire Bow and Zelda Fitzgerald rocked. A lot of it was being designed by Coco Chanel. Yeah. Like the real deal, Coco Chanel was designing in Paris during this time. And that whole Victorian-era corset S-figure shape was just thrown totally out the window. And instead it was boyish bodies with drapey, boxy skirts, essentially. Yeah, that was like that sack dress was like the flapper uniform.

The fabric literally was lighter. Konger found this is pretty staggering. But the flapper dress had about seven yards of fabric. A Victorian gown had about 20. 20 yards of fabric. So they literally shed, you know, weight in their clothing to just be freer. The flapper dress basically was about mid-calf and length. By the late 1920s, it inched above the knee a little bit. But, you know, so they could dance. So they could do the Charleston and the fox trot. Yeah. People think like it immediately went up. That is actually one thing that kind of

slowly change, and it was just that way for a couple of years. Yeah. One of the other things that is like, like you said, the flapper uniform was the Closh hat. I never knew that's what it was called. Yeah. But it's like an almost brimless hat. It's very close to the head.

Usually has a big bow, and it would show off their hairdo, which is usually quite short. You mentioned that those Gibson girls had like the big updo or else like long, flowy hair. Another way to rebel against that was to cut your hair. very short and often very straight. And sometimes with pomade, that was the flapper girl's haircut. I think it was called the Eton crop. Yeah. And they might use the pomade to like slick it back like a man might. They would show there, a lot of those flapper dresses had no arms. So they were showing their arms for the first time. Scandalous. Very scandalous. A lot of times with a lot of like

necklaces and bracelets and things like that. And the wool, those like heavy black wool stockings went out of fashion for a more sheer hosery. And sometimes, oh boy, they would roll down that hosary a little bit to like a makeshift knee high. Not a good look. Oh, I think it is. Do you? You like the roll down knee high look? Yeah, I was raised Baptist.

All that stuff is very titillating. I think my problem is I associate that with Mama for Mama's family. Yeah, that'll do it. Yeah, that'll definitely dampen your thoughts. So all of this Flapper party came and went in less than a decade. I mean, Clara Bow hit the scene in 1922, and she was the one in Beyond the Rainbow that really, like, kind of set the standard. And by 1929, it was all over because the Depression hit, and everybody's like, we don't have time for parties anymore. We got bigger fish to fry now.

Yeah, and that was kind of it. The stock market crash was, like, literally the very end. It was October 29th, 1929. And it was just one of those events that kind of signified like the end of an era. And definitely the end of the flapper era. Yeah, the fun was over. And so was prohibition, too, because America really needed to start drinking again. So there went to speak easy and all that stuff.

And I think that means short stuff's over too, though, right? Yeah, it's not just over, Chuck It's. Out. Stuff You Should Know is a production of IHeart Radio. For more podcasts to My Heart Radio, visit the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.