Stuff You Should Know - SYSK Selects: That Dang-old Goat Fell Over

Episode Date: December 8, 2018

Due to a condition known as Thomsen's disease, the muscles of fainting goats tense up whenever the animal is startled. In this episode, Josh and Chuck break down the science behind this bizarre condit...ion. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey friends when you're staying at an Airbnb you might be like me wondering could my place be an Airbnb and if it could what could it earn? So I was pretty surprised to hear about Lisa in Manitoba who got the idea to Airbnb the backyard guest house over childhood home now The extra income helps pay her mortgage. So yeah, you might not realize it But you might have an Airbnb to find out what your place could be earning at air bnb.ca Slash host on the podcast. Hey, dude, the 90s called David Lacher and Christine Taylor stars of the cult classic show Hey, dude, bring you back to the days of slip dresses and choker necklaces We're gonna use hey, dude as our jumping off point But we are going to unpack and dive back into the decade of the 90s
Starting point is 00:00:43 We lived it and now we're calling on all of our friends to come back and relive it Listen to hey, dude, the 90s called on the iHeart radio app Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts Hey there everyone, it's me Josh and for this week's sys case selects. I've chosen our episode on fainting goats from 2011 it's about the funniest saddest breed of goats around plus sad kittens too But it's also really cute in a weird way at any rate This one I will advise you to listen to accompany by your laptop or phone Ready to go on YouTube because there's gonna be a lot of stuff for you to check out. Enjoy it Welcome to stuff you should know from house stuff works calm
Starting point is 00:01:38 Hey, and welcome to the podcast I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant I ain't me. Yeah, that's right. That's me now fall over But yes, not yet Chuck. We're getting there. Okay, okay How are you doing you feeling a little sick after Los Angeles? Yes, Josh heavy workload and stress usually means Chuck crashes and gets sick afterward. Yeah, I came very close That's what happens. I was telling you I am a walking ad for emergency. I know it works really well. It's good stuff Um Chuck, I hope you feel better soon. Thank you. Um in the meantime, let's talk about the Satanic symbol That is the goat
Starting point is 00:02:18 Yeah, the inverted star is supposed to be a goat head. Is that right? Yes, that is actually the Bah foment the Bah foment the Bah foment. It's a I think a 17th century French illustration No 19th century French magic magician Elyphus Levi drew the Baphomet of Mendes, right? Okay, and Mendes is like the key term here This is where the idea that the goat with Satanic came from. Okay, so back in the day
Starting point is 00:02:52 Back when the Greeks were running around Egypt. Let's say the 4th century BC. Okay? one of them Herodotus wrote of the Mendes people who lived along the Nile and venerated and essentially worshiped goats specifically male goats as symbols of fertility and The Greeks doing what they did eventually ripped this idea off and labeled their god pan the king of the Seder's the half god half man god, that's right who'd like to woo the ladies and Basically press his male goat sexuality onto them
Starting point is 00:03:29 Right, okay, so we have the idea that a male goat aka a ramp in a lot of cases I'm pretty sure it became the symbol for powerful male sexuality, right? Sure. Why not as the Christian church came about and sexuality kind of diverged from reality That that I that concept became more and more taboo increasingly taboo until finally you get to the point where We arrive at the Knights Templar who supposedly venerated a Baphomet those guys pop up a lot with us they do That that image of Baphomet not the 19th century one
Starting point is 00:04:11 But the image of a goat head which they supposedly idolized Was used against them to persecute them as Satanists and kill them and from that point forward the goat went from pagan god of male fertility or sexuality To satanic from that moment on to the point now where you can look at a goat And you get a touch of evil from it, don't you know? I was just about to counter and say that's funny because Goats are the sweetest most adorable little creatures on the planet. It depends first of all it depends on their age It depends on their size. It depends on how readily you can see those satanic eyes of theirs
Starting point is 00:04:50 I disagree it's Satan walking the earth Chuck. Let's just come out and say it okay I well we know we everyone knows I had pet goats, so you're not gonna get me to say anything like that Plus if you're anything you're a lackey for the goat lobby. I am yeah, yeah What about fainting goats though? I have to agree. These are not satanic. They are they fall into the cute camp, right? Yeah, it's pretty cute and sad and funny. It's all wrapped up into one Yeah, in fact, I have never experienced such a range of emotions as when I watched fainting goats and fainting kittens Yeah, fainting kittens in particular got my goat. I just showed Lizzie. It's awesome. She laughed I know other than I thought she was hilarious Chuck
Starting point is 00:05:29 It's so sad looking though I know but then they kind of look around and look like a stupid kitten and like a few times and they're fine I Urge anyone who hasn't seen first of all fainting goats to go on to youtube.com That's why oh you You be.com yeah, it's a kind of like a video repository of sorts you can share videos type in yeah Yeah, it's amazing and you type in fainting goats and then watch the one with the greatest number of hits And you will see what we're talking about. I think it's 10,000,000 800,000 hits right now. Yeah, watch that one
Starting point is 00:06:04 You'll see what we're talking about the rest of the time You can also if you want to treat yourself type in fainting goat kittens hyphen original video and yeah You'll see what makes me laugh and makes Chuck cry and if you want to really treat yourself type in where's be oh That one's adorable. That's a little lamb. Yeah, that's the key. Is that a lamb or a goat? It's a lamb it but a lamb is a female goat right or it's a baby goat Isn't a goat a male lamb a baby goat is a kid a Lamb is a lamb huh. Oh, yeah, a lamb is a baby sheep. Yeah, okay We're all set no need for emails everybody
Starting point is 00:06:39 Myotonic goats, okay, so yeah, there's other names for these things now that hopefully you've gone and watched this You're up to speed and you know we're about to be talking about because we are going to explain this weird phenomenon That is fainting goats aka as you just said myotonic goats What else Chuck where are some other awesome names for these things the Tennessee stiff legs? Just good name for a band as is myotonic goats Tennessee wooden legs nervous goats and fall-down goats I imagine fall-down goats was pretty early in the game. Yeah, they said that's what Bam Bam from Flintstone called exactly They go by several different names Josh, but they are not fainting at all actually No, no, and we should say if you were too lazy to go look up this YouTube video
Starting point is 00:07:22 You don't know what we're talking about basically these goats the videos of goats who are being chased by like a farmer or something With an umbrella and all of a sudden they'll just stiffen up and fall over and it looks like they fainted dead away or possibly died And instantly gone into rigor mortis. It looks like they've been shot and killed by a sniper Exactly, and then after a second they just kind of get up and and you know run away some more And yeah, they're called fainting goats, but it's not at all. What's going on instead Chuck It's like a an altered startle response, right? Yeah, it's a congenital condition means they get it since you know their little baby kid goats They were born with it right and it's called myotonia
Starting point is 00:08:03 congenital and There's another couple of names the Becker type disease or Thompson's disease. Mm-hmm, and you know they Basically we'll get into the specifics, but what happens is they tense up Like the fight or flight like if an explosion went off right behind you right now you'd tense up and then go whew Maybe what happens here is they tense up and they don't they don't untense They stay stiff long enough to fall over on their side as if they were dead Yes, yes, I'm appropriately Robert Lamb who wrote this article points out It's like that you know when you tense up from a from a fright or a startle or danger flight or fight a fight
Starting point is 00:08:41 Fight or flight. Uh-huh. It's been a while clearly. I know In that tension that's relieved almost immediately That basically your brain like getting your body like zapped into preparedness like you're ready to run, right? Go to stop thinking about to see roll pops jerk. It's time for you to to kick some bottom Yeah, or in the goats case quit thinking about that big patch of grass, right? There's a wolf behind you right running get out of here exactly But instead of running they tense up they fall over because their muscles take about 10 or 20 seconds to relax, right? Yes, so You talked about
Starting point is 00:09:19 Myotonic, they're myotonic goats. Myotonia exists in more than just goats. Yeah exists in humans as well Yeah kittens we said. Yeah, um saddest video ever And myotonia is basically this it's a nervous it's a disorder of the central nervous system a congenital one like you said Chuck That's characterized by stiff muscles that they're rigid and they take time to relax, right? Yeah, I think the involuntary or voluntary muscles. We should say not like your cardiac muscle or your right voluntary muscle sure The stat I found was that it affects about one in 100,000 people and in northern Scandinavia one in 10,000 Who knew well, I guess they They have a bottleneck up there of some sort
Starting point is 00:10:04 I don't know Because not that many people want to move up to Scandinavia I didn't see any kind of explanation for why there would be more abundant there But that's how many it affects in people if it's if you have it you there's some medication It's not that big of a deal stay exercise stay loose, right? Don't walk around big piles of glass. I would say or beds of nails You don't want to fall on anything like that. Maybe you shouldn't be driving a car But I don't think humans actually stiffen and fall over like the goats. I think it's more of a
Starting point is 00:10:32 You know temporary stiffening and or again is Robert Lam put it a full-bodied Charlie horse, but without the pain Yeah, yeah, they say they don't feel pain. I don't know about that. Yeah, we'll get into that in a second. All right, but there's a there's a similar condition to called myoclonus and It's actually the basis of my favorite probably my favorite physiological Trait of humans. What's that the myoclonic jerk? You know when you're falling asleep and then all of a sudden you go and you know that's awake Yeah, yeah, that happens to me and if you'll notice most of the time you're dozing and you're you're dreaming of maybe falling down a stair
Starting point is 00:11:10 Sure, something like that. So Apparently your brain is either confused That you are in fact falling or it doesn't understand why you're why your muscles are relaxing in some weird way, right? And it's jolting you awake. Okay, or it thinks you are dying and it's railing against dying It's trying to get your heart going again. Well, you're the two explanations. I've heard either way Thank you body. Yes and mind, but another another name for it is the hypnic jerk the hypnic jerk It's just great. Do you like it when it happens to you or you just think it's neat. It's so it's just funny Yeah, yeah, yeah, that it's a weird feeling. It's sort of like when you almost fall back in a chair and you catch yourself
Starting point is 00:11:50 There's nothing more like, you know Thrilling to the body Then that that oh my gosh, I'm going to die here in one second exactly. So You're you're it's thrilling because your muscles tense up you have to wonder if you're just sitting there for 10 or 20 seconds Does your brain know your brain apparently would know yeah that there's no longer any danger, but you can't move right? Which I imagine would kind of be kind of stressful. Hey friends when you're staying at an Airbnb You might be like me wondering could my place be an Airbnb and if it could what could it earn? So I was pretty surprised to hear about Lisa in Manitoba who got the idea to Airbnb the backyard guest house over childhood home now
Starting point is 00:12:42 The extra income helps pay her mortgage. So yeah, you might not realize it But you might have an Airbnb to find out what your place could be earning at air bnb dot c a slash host On the podcast pay dude the 90s called David Lacher and Christine Taylor stars of the cult classic show Hey, dude bring you back to the days of slip dresses and choker necklaces We're gonna use hey dude as our jumping off point But we are going to unpack and dive back into the decade of the 90s We lived it and now we're calling on all of our friends to come back and we live it It's a podcast packed with interviews co-stars friends and non-stop references to the best decade ever
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Starting point is 00:14:16 Disorder is on the cellular level in the muscles, right? Yeah, there's a gene Josh called the CLC N1 the chloride channel 1 gene Of course and it's involved in the production of proteins Which are you know proteins are good for muscle relaxing and contracting and stuff like that. Well, yeah in chloride Ion specifically, right? Yeah, what's the deal too much chloride? Yeah, you will you want remember check the point of being alive as a functioning body is homeostasis, right? Right, so you want an equal amount or a relatively comparable amount of positively charged sodium ions which tell your muscles to contract right and
Starting point is 00:14:58 Negatively charge chloride ions which say go ahead and relax muscles, right? Oh, there's not enough chloride in this case Yes, so there's an abundance of sodium not enough chloride, which means that when you when the cells are innervated the muscle cells are innervated With an electrical impulse from the brain right tense up Uh-huh it takes them longer to relax because they're out of whack because this gene is not Expressing those chloride ions like it should be but cool So it's not the brain any longer thinking that we're afraid or that there's a danger. It's the muscles It's all in the muscles. That's right, and it is hereditary It can be dominant or excessive meaning either one of your parents can have the gene or both not too picky there and
Starting point is 00:15:44 The difference is with the goats is they're actually bred To encourage this right and here you mentioned something a second ago That kind of smacked of the ethics of it, right? I don't remember what it was. Maybe I did kind of like Well, let's go to well just people laughing every time I see those videos. I think The goats, you know, they're all there they're roaming around their pin and then I get the feeling they see people coming They're like, oh god Okay, and some jerk is gonna shoot a gun in the air or something and we're all gonna fall over and they're gonna laugh at us Very funny, haha, right exactly. So here we go again, and every time they see a human without fail
Starting point is 00:16:24 I'm sure a human does that to them and the humans laugh and think it's the funniest thing they've ever seen the guys are just like Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and actually there's two reasons that fainting goats are bred these days one is For novelty because they do that and another is for meat basically Yeah, that made me sad. I thought it would just be strictly novelty and having them as a pet No, and initially, I mean, that's what most livestock goats are used for is meat and frankly, they're delicious But I wouldn't know they're so delicious Awesome
Starting point is 00:16:59 But if you think of them as satanic, you can eat them all day long. It's like you're eradicating evil by eating the goat You know what I'm saying sure Give me one of those evil satanic goat tacos I want to do my part. Can I give you a like a tad of history? Yeah, you want to talk about the history of it? Sure, okay. I know we're hopping around here. That's right go on fire like be but the The the reason that Tennessee stiff legs or fall-down goats as some people call them are called Tennessee stiff legs or Tennessee wooden legs is because they were brought down from Nova Scotia Allegedly by a farmhand named John Tinsley. Yeah, that's what they think. Yeah from what I saw that was the likeliest explanation
Starting point is 00:17:43 Yeah, to Marshall County, Tennessee in the late 1800s. Mm-hmm 1880s. Yep, and he started breeding them which is It's called unnatural selection. We'll get to that in a second Yeah, but this these the goats were originally not bred for novelty, right? It took a hundred years for them to really start to be bred for novelty They were bred because Chuck as you pointed out their muscles don't atrophy, right? They do the opposite, right? Well, yeah, I mean if you think there's muscle waste going on think again because it actually makes the animal much leaner for slaughter
Starting point is 00:18:18 Right catch as hard for me to even say that right so there's because of all the tensing and un-tensing that they do Yeah, more than the average animal. They're kind of bulk. They're ripped. Yeah, they're right So they have a loaf their lean meat, but there's a lot of meat to To muscle as well. So they're prized for their meat and Apparently they're their propensity toward Myotonism, myotonia tensing up painting Prevents them from keep from climbing fences, which is a big problem when you're keeping goats as livestock They like to just hop right over a fence you erect for them. Mine didn't
Starting point is 00:18:56 No, my goats loved being pet goats. I'm sure they house goats Well, no, we had a big pin and they were actually in there with the dogs We had two dogs and two goats and they were I mean the goats I think took their cues from the dogs because they were very very playful and I used to play games with my goat nester all the time Whatever happened Nester while Billy died, which is very sad That's a good name and then of course and then nester we eventually were like, you know We need to move nester out to a farm. So we this lady took him and
Starting point is 00:19:26 Nester rode the back of the truck with me with his head on my lap the whole way and what the lady do to nester Do you think I think she kept nester as a goat? And that's the story I'm sticking to that nester was a pet until he died of old age. That's a beautiful story. Yeah Okay, so good. So your your goats fared very well. I'm glad to hear that. I remember the goats in my birthday party They one of them was a house goat. Remember. Oh, yeah house goat. Uh-huh. Wow So there was an actual reason that feigning goats were bred initially and it wasn't for kicks the Tennessee Farmers of the 1880s. Actually, we're a little more soulful than the ones today. Yeah, and it wasn't funny back then Nothing was funny. I'm sure somebody right. Yeah, exactly. Don't laugh at that. Yeah, I
Starting point is 00:20:12 Can't say it. I just had like 80 great jokes ran through my head. So are you talking about the protection of the herd? Not yet Oh, okay So the the goats become an established breed of their own by the 1950s, right and about that time They started to leave Tennessee. I think for Texas was the next place that they really spread out Uh-huh, but it wasn't until the 1980s that the the goats were really diverged into two not necessarily two different breeds because they haven't separated yet, but There's one line. That's generally bred for meat Right like the original version. Gotcha. The other line is bred as a novelty
Starting point is 00:20:50 Okay, they tend to be smaller and just faint like that cuter. Yes faint longer Yeah, because if you just kind of leave it alone the the Myotonia is worse as a younger worse Early in life. Yeah, they get kind of used to it. Sometimes more they adapt to it. They're not as scared later in life So yeah, younger goat is more prone to fall over. Exactly. So but I think if you compare an adult Fainting goat bred in that line to be a novelty to a goat that was bred for its meat of the same age The the novelty goats gonna probably fall over at the drop of a hat still right now because
Starting point is 00:21:30 Farmer thinks that's funny Well, the other reason that that Robert says they can't find much evidence of this anymore But I guess back in the day they would and this sort of makes sense They would they would add some of these fainting goats to their herd of regular goats in case there were predators around pack of wolves come up scares the the little Pebbly doo-doo out of these goats and then the stiff goats fall over and
Starting point is 00:21:57 Get eaten while the other ones take off and run. So it essentially it's almost like they're not bait, but You know a much easier kill keep the wolves occupied so the rest of them can escape, you know what they are what a sacrificial lamb Yeah, you're right. That's exactly what they are, but there's no evidence that that's really the reason that they're breeding them now No, and there's apparently not much evidence that or how much that was used as I think it could have just been a good idea, right? Yeah Hey everybody when you're staying at an Airbnb You might be like me wondering could my place be an Airbnb and if it could what could it earn? So I was pretty surprised to hear about Lauren and Nova Scotia who realized she could Airbnb her cozy backyard tree house and the extra income
Starting point is 00:22:57 Helps cover her bills and pays for her travel. So yeah, you might not realize it But you might have an Airbnb to find out what your place could be earning at air bnb.ca Slash host on the podcast paydude the 90s called David Lasher and Christine Taylor stars of the cult classic show Hey, dude bring you back to the days of slip dresses and choker necklaces We're gonna use hey, dude as our jumping-off point, but we are going to unpack and dive back into the decade of the 90s We lived it and now we're calling on all of our friends to come back and relive it It's a podcast packed with interviews co-stars friends and non-stop references to the best decade ever Do you remember going to blockbuster? Do you remember Nintendo 64?
Starting point is 00:23:41 Do you remember getting frosted tips? Was that a cereal? No, it was hair Do you remember AOL instant messenger and the dial-up sound like poltergeist? So leave a code on your best friend's beeper because you'll want to be there when the nostalgia starts flowing Each episode will rival the feeling of taking out the cartridge from your Game Boy blowing on it and popping it back in as We take you back to the 90s Listen to hey, dude the 90s called on the iHeart radio app Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts So Chuck the idea of like make no no no mistake. Myotonia is a it's a deficiency. Yeah disorder sure It's not a desirable trait. No, so the idea of taking because it's an undesirable trait under natural selection
Starting point is 00:24:43 It shouldn't exist right right because if you take a feigning goat out in nature like you said Along with a herd of sheep or other goats or whatever No, they'll they'll be the first eaten and then they won't have a chance to reproduce eventually and it'll that tray to die out But them being Bred for that for an undesirable trait and then protected by humans whether by a fence or right You know like a hillbilly with a hillbilly with the shotgun or whatever. Yeah, that's called unnatural selection Right. Yeah, nothing natural about it. No or artificial selections another way to put it Yeah, and anytime something like that happens. There's going to be
Starting point is 00:25:17 Some people probably at an organization called PETA that might stand up and say I don't know if this is such a cool thing for humans to do And PETA as expected isn't the biggest fan of raising feigning goats Humane society isn't so worried about it. They say there's a lot More breeding issues in the world that we should be more concerned about and neither one of them have an official stance But no the woman from PETA that Robert interviewed in this article sounded like she hadn't heard of feigning goats until he called her Oh, really? Yeah, that's the impression I got. Oh, yeah, the quote is a little vague, isn't it? Yeah Yeah, she just like the standard PETA quote just plug in the animal
Starting point is 00:26:00 Well, who knows there is no official stance though So maybe maybe Robert alerted her to this whole phenomenon. Yeah, but they have an official stance now Yeah, probably stop breeding feigning goats. It's a little late for that though. It's recognized and Um prized as a separate American breed of goat. There's about 3,000 to 5,000 of them running around and then falling over Right. Um, and they don't look like they're going anywhere. Um, the livestock Conservancy, I think is what it's called Um suggests that this uh, this breed of goat be
Starting point is 00:26:31 very much um protected and taken care of and conserved is I guess the best word to use Did I tell you about Emily and the little baby goat at the winery? No at the winery in Athens. No, we went to uh, right before this LA trip, you know, we went to Santa Barbara wine country And we went in this one winery and as we were going in there was a guy with a dog outside And you know, of course, we attacked this dog and repeding it. He said, yeah, they wouldn't let it in because they got a goat A baby goat in there So Emily here's this of course and it's just like In this inside is saying where's the goat? Where's the goat? This lady has a
Starting point is 00:27:05 probably about a six week old kid In her arms wrapped in a blanket that's um Has some sort of physical ailment not feigning a goat syndrome. It was part human part human. It had human hands Um, no, but she had this little baby kid and uh, you know Emily goes over and starts drooling and the lady says do you want to hold it? and in less than a second the the goat swap had been made and You know for the next 20 minutes
Starting point is 00:27:30 This goat is literally like nuzzling Emily in the neck Nice and I took about 20 pictures of the the range of emotions on uh Emily's face. Yeah. Was there any crying at all? There wasn't crying. It was just it was a type of ecstasy that you rarely see in an adult human female That is pretty cool. Yeah, very cute. You're like long story short. We own that goat now. Yes Yeah, no, not true. My aunt used to have a pygmy goat in california along the russian river Did they not get big I guess no Hence the I would say a pygmy feigning goat would be about the cutest combination Yeah, especially one that like asked to shine your shoes with like big go eyes or something
Starting point is 00:28:07 Those kittens. Oh man. I can't watch that. Yeah, it looks it just doesn't look right. It's awesome I think because they don't look like they're hurt. They don't look injured. They just look surprised every time and then fine Well kittens look surprised with everything. They just they have that constant looking surprise. Yeah Anything else? No, we've touched on the satanic nature of goats Mm-hmm meat goats fainting goats fainting kittens unnatural selection tennessee uh, texas the 19th century And that's about it, right Emily's unnatural love of animals. Yeah
Starting point is 00:28:43 Myoclonic jerks. Yeah, everything's right on Uh, and now, you know when you see these videos and you show your buddies you can now tell people There's something you should know exactly what's going on say. They're not fainting at all actually. Yeah stupid So if you want to learn more about feigning goats, remember go to youtube y o u t u b e dot com And type in fainting goats and then fainting goat kittens. This doesn't really make sense It could just be fainting kittens, but still yeah And you'll see some hilarity You can also learn more about fainting goats in a very well written and well researched article by robert lamb of stuff
Starting point is 00:29:21 To blow your mind how fainting goats work type that into the handy search bar and how stuff works dot com And that will bring that up and that means I just brought up listener mail That's right josh, uh, i'm gonna call this a real csi dude Uh, this is from ed in chico california Hey josh and chuck and jerry I'm a crime scene investigator for a municipal police department in rural northern california Being a csi is just one of my collateral assignments I'm also an evidence technician and have a couple of other titles depending on who's given me orders that day
Starting point is 00:29:57 Nearly every agency in my area has trained cops or civilians To be a csi when needed not as a standalone assignment. So that kind of answers one of the questions we had Yeah I showed interest in being a csi when I started my evidence assignment four years ago And was sent to basic csi school and later advanced csi crime scene reconstruction school He skipped right over intermediate. Yeah, I guess so this guy's gifted and finally, uh blood spatter analysis Uh, we also do monthly in-house training on topics like photography trajectories dna collection
Starting point is 00:30:30 Buried body excavation, etc. Our csi's are jacks of all trades since our agencies are too small to be able to afford specialized positions Uh, your show is very well researched and had all the highlights of blood spatter and forensic photography Uh, and as a sidebar while we do have two big expensive $2,000 SLR cameras. We really only use them for the most specialized photos like nighttime crime scenes 99% of the time they use a point-and-shoot from walmart Really? Yeah, I can see that though. I mean like that that technology's gotten good enough so that I'm sure I know but it would just seem weird if you saw dexter like walk up with a little point and shoot Well, yeah, and plus I think if you were the family of like a murder victim and you saw some guy
Starting point is 00:31:15 Welcome to be like are you even supposed to be here? Yeah, how about a real camera? Yeah, how about a little respect? You mentioned blood voids at a crime scene. We call them blood shadows Oh, I like that one too. That's pretty cool Coolish. I enjoy being a csi, but like josh said ages ago A television ain't nothing like reality. I can't stand watching those shows They drive me crazy what they're not based in reality writing in reality DNA evidence takes one to two months And latent prints can take four or five months not four to six minutes Yeah, and the other thing is is like uh, everybody is just this jack of all trades
Starting point is 00:31:51 Like oh, I I got these prints off of this scene and I'm going to go analyze them And I'm going to go like shake down the bad guys. Right, you know, it's like spend more money on an ensemble. Will you? Yeah Thank you Ed from Chico Oh, that was it. Yeah, those are sorry to end your letter with a rant from me Ed Thank you very much for your illuminating letter. We appreciate it um We want to hear from you. First of all, you can go
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