Stuff You Should Know - What is parallel evolution?
Episode Date: May 19, 2011In the process of parallel evolution, two seemingly unrelated species living in isolation can evolve surprisingly similar traits -- but how does it work, and why does it happen? Join Chuck and Josh as... they break down the process of parallel evolution. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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                                        Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. With me as always is Charles W. Chuck Bryant.
                                         
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                                        It's possible because of people like Glenn and Sonya. Yes. Who helm the team for us. That's right.
                                         
                                        There are de facto captains. It's because of people like Blake. Yep. This guy who came in and
                                         
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                                        close to half a million dollars, but not quite there. That's awesome. And everybody who's a member
                                         
                                        on our team who's contributed anything, well, at least 25 bucks. Yeah. We're number three on
                                         
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                                        Before you do, before you sign up, um, or if you just recently signed up, you should read our
                                         
                                        two-part blog post on Kiva and how we feel about Kiva because it's not a perfect system.
                                         
                                        No. Um, and after a while, everyone inevitably runs up against the flaws in it and talks about
                                         
    
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                                        search why we lend at SYSK. Yeah. Um, and, uh, that will bring it up on the blogs. Right. Yeah.
                                         
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                                        wouldn't hurt to go listen to our, uh, micro lending, how micro lending works podcast. Yeah.
                                         
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                                        Let's talk first about Australia. Australia is this awesome little natural laboratory,
                                         
    
                                        a giant petri dish, if you will. Just from childhood, I've always been amazed that it's a country
                                         
                                        and a continent. My hat's always gone off to Australia for that, so to all of our peeps down
                                         
                                        in Australia, Chuck, take off your hat. Ozzy, Ozzy, Ozzy. Okay, there you go. You're supposed to
                                         
                                        say oi, oi, oi. Yes, okay. Just pretend I just did. And the reason being is because at one point
                                         
                                        the continents all formed a supercontinent, Pangaea. Some of the other continents kind of stuck
                                         
                                        together a little more. Australia went off by itself as Australians do. It went off to do its own
                                         
                                        thing. That's right. And there were animals in existence about 60 million years ago when it broke
                                         
                                        off that were living on Australia. Yeah, I picture the little crack forming and then separating and
                                         
    
                                        literally animals looking at their little species brethren going, bye. That's a really good way to
                                         
                                        look at it too because it's not like these cracks happened like this species lives over here and
                                         
                                        this species lives over there. That's pretty much exactly how it happened. Not that quickly,
                                         
                                        obviously. Maybe using time lapse photography. But essentially that gave rise to related species
                                         
                                        evolving in completely different parts of the world. That's right. So Australia gave us some
                                         
                                        freak shows like koala bears, kangaroos, wombats, Tasmanian devils. Yeah, they're really different
                                         
                                        than other animals in other parts of the world. Exactly. But it also gave us a little something
                                         
                                        called the flying phalanges. I've never heard of this. Okay, the flying phalanges looks, it's a
                                         
    
                                        rodent. It has a tail. It has a tiny head. It's covered in fur. It'll give you some sort of
                                         
                                        pestilent disease if you eat it raw. But it also has this weird little bit of skin that retracts,
                                         
                                        except when it's jumping from tree to tree. It spreads its arms and legs out, spread eagle,
                                         
                                        and this flap of skin in between its arm and say its ribs, and then its legs,
                                         
                                        and it's so say buttocks. Okay. This skin flaps out to allow it to glide. It's like those flying
                                         
                                        dudes that you see now, the skydivers that they basically wear little flying phalanges suits.
                                         
                                        Yeah, wingsuit. Yeah, wingsuit. Those things are awesome. Pretty cool. And way dangerous. So this
                                         
                                        is like the original. This is the OG of that. Yeah, I think it was based on that. Flying
                                         
    
                                        phalanges. Sounds like, again, a total freak show until you remember, oh yeah, North America has
                                         
                                        flying squirrels that are the exact same thing. And I had a pet one. I think I mentioned that before.
                                         
                                        You did, didn't you? Yep. Okay, so if you go back far enough on the family tree, you're going to
                                         
                                        find that both of these animals' ancestors were living on Australia and elsewhere in the world
                                         
                                        at the time. That's right. Okay. So when they split off when Australia broke off, this animal's habitat
                                         
                                        was disrupted. And so you had two members of the same species living on different parts of the world,
                                         
                                        but evolving completely differently, right? So they've gotten to the point now where the
                                         
                                        flying squirrel and the flying phalanges are not the same animal. They're different species
                                         
    
                                        because they can't engage in successful reproduction any longer. But they still both evolved
                                         
                                        independently. These flaps, which are just totally odd. That's what's called parallel evolution,
                                         
                                        right? That's right. And the flying phalanges and the flying squirrel are far from the only
                                         
                                        species that are no longer related, that are no longer the same species that have evolved similarly,
                                         
                                        which poses a really big question for biology and evolution. How is this happening? That's right.
                                         
                                        Well, parallel evolution further defined is when they're related species that have been split.
                                         
                                        When two different species share these traits, it's morphological similarity. Kind of neat.
                                         
                                        Uh-huh. And when two completely unrelated species develop this morphological similarity,
                                         
    
                                        it's called convergent evolution. And it's kind of hard to tell because we don't know exactly how
                                         
                                        things were millions of years ago. When you look at species. Sure, exactly which one of these were
                                         
                                        similar back then. But we do know in the case of the squirrel and the phalanger. Phalanger? Yeah.
                                         
                                        Phalange. Phalanges. I've been saying phalanges. Oh, really? Phalanger. Yeah, it's a phalanger.
                                         
                                        The flying phalanger. They should just call it a squirrel.
                                         
                                        Too silly. Well, that occurred to me. Maybe there isn't such a thing as parallel evolution. Maybe
                                         
                                        it's all humans. We're just not calling everything the same thing. Yeah. It's our naming convention.
                                         
                                        There's problem solved. So one of the reasons, and it's pretty simple actually, and it makes
                                         
    
                                        a lot of sense that parallel evolution can occur, is that when you have a similar environment with
                                         
                                        two species, population pressure is going to lead to similar traits. Like we got to survive.
                                         
                                        So if we live in a similar environment, then we're probably going to evolve similarly. Like if it's
                                         
                                        really cold, we're probably going to have thick fur as different species. It's pretty basic.
                                         
                                        Another really good example I think that was used was teeth. Yes. Right? Yeah. I know that's
                                         
                                        jumping around a little bit, but teeth. Things we take for granted, they're so ubiquitous.
                                         
                                        Sharp teeth. Sharp teeth are found in all carnivores. And the reason why is because it's
                                         
                                        a really good trait. Yeah. Right? Because we can dig into meat. Right. Same thing though.
                                         
    
                                        Although I can't with my stupid bum tooth. I'm devolving. Someday again, through technology.
                                         
                                        I hope so. So what you're talking about, Chuck, is with natural selection is that
                                         
                                        basically if you imagine dropping an animal into an environment, say a jungle. Right?
                                         
                                        There are parts of it that are going to allow it to thrive. There are things that are going to make
                                         
                                        it less likely to thrive. Yeah. The things that make it likelier to thrive are the traits that
                                         
                                        are going to get passed along from generation to generation. Yeah. As long as they hang on long,
                                         
                                        hang on long enough to survive through the reproduction process, then it gets ingrained
                                         
                                        and boom, you've got yourself a trait. Well, by nature, the traits that allow it to hang on
                                         
    
                                        long enough to reproduce are going to be most successful traits because with reproduction,
                                         
                                        those are the ones that are going to get passed around the most frequently. Sure. Then eventually,
                                         
                                        the animals that had more of the traits that didn't allow it to thrive are going to die out.
                                         
                                        They're not going to reproduce. So on a long enough time scale, this reproduction will lead to
                                         
                                        a higher frequency of traits that make an animal fit for its environment. Right. Like the gorilla,
                                         
                                        for instance, used to have a large tail with a pinwheel on the end of it, but it didn't really
                                         
                                        do much for him. So over time, it just kind of went away. That's not true though, is it?
                                         
                                        No, it's not true. What do you mean is it? All right. I was making sure. So these changes though,
                                         
    
                                        these traits, right? They just kind of seem to pop up here or there. If you're in our current
                                         
                                        understanding of genetics, same 1980s understanding of genetics, they just kind of pop up out of
                                         
                                        nowhere. Right. Sure. But Chuck, if I may digress for a second, please. Have we ever explained
                                         
                                        what came first, the chicken or the egg? Yeah, it's been a while though. It has, but we have
                                         
                                        already? Yeah, but it's been a while. I think it deserves a recap. Okay. Because you actually
                                         
                                        know the answer. Yes, I do. I can say that the egg came first because the genetic mutation that
                                         
                                        gives rise to new species to new animals occurs in the zygotic stage of development. Right. Right.
                                         
                                        So that means a non-chicken and a non-chicken got together and created a zygote that had a
                                         
    
                                        mutation that eventually turned it into a chicken. Its genes were expressed to be a chicken to the
                                         
                                        egg came first. The egg came before the chicken. Eventually the egg hatched and you had the first
                                         
                                        chicken, but the egg came first. All right. But the point of me saying that is that the mutations
                                         
                                        that appear, these traits that change over time or show up that make an animal more fit for its
                                         
                                        environment happen in the reproductive level of zygote. That's right. And the accumulation of
                                         
                                        those traits, the beneficial traits that make it able to survive in a certain place like the
                                         
                                        polar bear in the cold is called an ecological niche. Yeah, niche, as some people say. We talked
                                         
                                        about the polar bear before separating from the brown bear and the black bear in evolution and
                                         
    
                                        isolation, which is kind of a companion podcast of this one. Agreed. Did you write that one?
                                         
                                        Yeah, I wrote that one. I didn't write this one. This was the grabster. Yeah, that's right. Of course.
                                         
                                        Grab. So that's an ecological niche and animals like we mentioned the polar bear that have adapted
                                         
                                        to live in a cold area throw a polar bear out in the savanna of Africa and it's not going to do too
                                         
                                        well. Right, which brings up another point. I think that there's a lesson in all of this,
                                         
                                        what we're talking about, especially with ecological niches. We, especially us being humans
                                         
                                        at the top of the food chain and the smartest things ever since sliced bread or prairie dogs.
                                         
                                        Go ahead. Okay. Tend to look at evolution as basically a ladder and we're at the top, baby.
                                         
    
                                        Right. That's not the case in ecological niches. Point that out. If humans, okay, great example.
                                         
                                        If you take a human and put it at the bottom of the Mariana trench, it's not going to thrive.
                                         
                                        No, it's going to drown or its head's going to explode. We're not suited for it.
                                         
                                        So we're not evolved. We're not at the top of evolution. If evolution were a ladder and we
                                         
                                        were at the top, we'd be suited for any environment. We're not. That's a good point.
                                         
                                        So as a guy named Matt Ridley points out in a book called The Red Queen, Sex and the Evolution of
                                         
                                        Human Nature, that evolution is not a ladder. It is a treadmill. Yeah. No animals necessarily
                                         
                                        better than another. Right. More highly evolved. It has to do with adapting to your local environment.
                                         
    
                                        That's one of the processes of parallel evolution. Makes sense. We adapt to our local environment
                                         
                                        or our ecological niche. That's right. That's a very good point. And the reason we're pointing
                                         
                                        out ecological niche to begin with is because animals are, I'm sorry, organisms period that have
                                         
                                        parallel or convergent evolution are usually or more likely to have a similar ecological niche.
                                         
                                        That's a really, really long way of putting that. Was it? Yeah. For instance, you look at an animal
                                         
                                        like the wildebeest or North American cattle. They're actually sort of parallel evolutionized.
                                         
                                        And they live in very similar areas, you know, planes, hot, grassy. And so they're really
                                         
                                        similar in the end, even though they're on two different continents. Yeah. Number one,
                                         
    
                                        evolutionized t-shirt. Okay. Okay. Number two, that's absolutely right. All right. Yeah. Thank you.
                                         
                                        Absolutely right. Right. Okay. Great. What do you think I said? I thought you said wrong.
                                         
                                        And I heard you wrong. It's absolutely white. Okay. That's absolutely blight, Chuck. But Josh,
                                         
                                        sometimes convergent evolution does not depend on this ecological niche because the trait is
                                         
                                        really advantageous for all kinds of organisms. And that's when you brought up the sharp teeth.
                                         
                                        Teeth, limbs, wings, arms. Consider this the arms. We can say now, looking at genomes,
                                         
                                        that arms are a direct relative of fins. Yeah. This again goes to the idea that evolution is
                                         
                                        a treadmill, not a ladder, right? So it's not like arms are the inevitable end of fins. What are
                                         
    
                                        you laughing about? Nothing. It's that fins are better suited for swimming around the water. Yeah.
                                         
                                        Right. But the same genes, the same genetic set, the same genetic code that give you fins also give
                                         
                                        you arms if you're walking around maybe swinging from trees or need to climb them. Sure. Or need to
                                         
                                        like, you know, high five somebody to keep society going. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Same thing. Yeah.
                                         
                                        You're right. But, you know, we're not the only things that evolve limbs, but limbs are so advantageous.
                                         
                                        Just like teeth that we are, that a lot of different completely unrelated species evolved.
                                         
                                        Right. Limbs. To walk and to grab things. Which is, what is that, convergent evolution? Yes,
                                         
                                        I would say so. The very least parallel. You know, I have to say I'm surprising myself. I'm
                                         
    
                                        extremely passionate for this one. I don't understand why. Well, it's cool. And, you know,
                                         
                                        we haven't covered evolution in earnest as a podcast, but we've hit on it in so many. I think
                                         
                                        we're covering it in the long run one way or the other. You know what I think it is, Chuck?
                                         
                                        I am just barely hanging on by my fingernails. So I'm really like, yeah, if I say it really fast,
                                         
                                        it'll, it'll be right. All right. Let's talk about genetics in this whole mess. Okay.
                                         
                                        A parallel evolution. There are two things to think about when you think about genetics. And
                                         
                                        the first one I think is kind of cool. The genetic code for species potentially has
                                         
                                        a hidden blueprint almost for what it could do, but not necessarily does do. And the grabster
                                         
    
                                        likened it to, let's say you have a blueprint of a house and the architect designed it such
                                         
                                        that you can add on a master bedroom here in this spot, but you never do it. But it's there.
                                         
                                        You've got the land and the blueprint for it. You just don't use it. Right. Because the architect
                                         
                                        said, don't build that addition yet. They don't have the money for it. They're just building the
                                         
                                        house. Exactly. But it still exists in the master blueprint. And the same can be said of, let's say,
                                         
                                        a jellyfish, which is round, right? There's no right or left side of a C and an n-in-in-in-in me.
                                         
                                        Right. It has radial symmetry, right? A jellyfish or an anemone. God, that's so hard for me. Anemone.
                                         
                                        Show off. An enemy. No, it's not an enemy. An enemy.
                                         
    
                                        The genetic. There is no left or right side as a radial body plan, it's circular,
                                         
                                        and which is not a funny shape at all. And the genetic code though is there.
                                         
                                        So, eventually one day, let's say the jellyfish needed to evolve to have a left or right side.
                                         
                                        For some reason, it could do that.
                                         
                                        Genetically speaking, the code is there.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        For bilateral symmetry.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
    
                                        Which I have, which you have.
                                         
                                        That's right.
                                         
                                        If you cut us down the middle, we could be folded in half.
                                         
                                        Yes.
                                         
                                        If you put a mirror up to your nose perpendicular to your nose, parallel to your nose, the point
                                         
                                        of your nose, it would be half.
                                         
                                        It would look like you.
                                         
                                        That's right.
                                         
    
                                        Right.
                                         
                                        You know, they say symmetry equals beauty.
                                         
                                        Yes.
                                         
                                        That's what they say.
                                         
                                        That's what a lot of people say.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        If you've got a big walleye on one side, that's why you're not attractive.
                                         
                                        What are you going after the eyes for, as you mentioned Disco Eye and another recent
                                         
    
                                        podcast.
                                         
                                        Did somebody wrong you recently?
                                         
                                        No.
                                         
                                        No.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        Okay.
                                         
                                        So, jellyfish have radial symmetry, but they have a genetic marker to kick in bilateral
                                         
                                        symmetry.
                                         
    
                                        If they ever need it.
                                         
                                        They would run horrified.
                                         
                                        Maybe that's what Cthulhu is.
                                         
                                        It's a jellyfish whose bilateral symmetry has started to kick in a little bit.
                                         
                                        Nice.
                                         
                                        The point is, it's not just jellyfish.
                                         
                                        There are a lot of dormant genes just ready to go off with the right mutation to change
                                         
                                        all sorts of stuff.
                                         
    
                                        And they think also, I read the article that he cited, the Ars Technica article, that the
                                         
                                        jellyfish have that so that they can develop their mouth.
                                         
                                        Oh, really?
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        Oh, cool.
                                         
                                        Because the mouth requires bilateral symmetry on even a jellyfish.
                                         
                                        The reason we mentioned this to begin with though is that the belief that you can develop
                                         
                                        similar traits even though you evolve separately, which is what we've been talking about this
                                         
    
                                        whole time, because the trait has always been in your genetic code to begin with.
                                         
                                        Just dormant.
                                         
                                        Right.
                                         
                                        It's just very, very ancient.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        And then it can express in different ways.
                                         
                                        Like apparently they looked at the fins of a fish, right, and found that they have pretty
                                         
                                        much the same genes that we do for our arms.
                                         
    
                                        Okay.
                                         
                                        And bilateral symmetry, those genes are the same for everything.
                                         
                                        Wow.
                                         
                                        Right.
                                         
                                        So we're all a lot more related, I guess, than we thought now that we're starting to
                                         
                                        look into it.
                                         
                                        I wonder if, well, we probably know this by now, if we have any dormant genetic codes
                                         
                                        in humans.
                                         
    
                                        Like, we could potentially grow that tail if we needed to.
                                         
                                        Well, apparently we do have tails in some embryotic development stage.
                                         
                                        Oh, yeah.
                                         
                                        We still have vestigial tails, and there are people who are born with them who don't shed
                                         
                                        them.
                                         
                                        That's pretty cool.
                                         
                                        Who had the tail?
                                         
                                        Jason Alexander had one in one of the Fairleigh Brothers movies.
                                         
    
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        Or like if it was, was it there's something about Mary, wasn't it?
                                         
                                        No, no, he wouldn't have that.
                                         
                                        Are you sure that wasn't it?
                                         
                                        Shallow howl.
                                         
                                        Yes.
                                         
                                        Thank you.
                                         
                                        Yeah, yeah, that's what I meant too.
                                         
    
                                        Didn't one of the friends have a tail?
                                         
                                        No, no, no.
                                         
                                        Chandler had a third nipple.
                                         
                                        Yeah, superfluous nipple.
                                         
                                        So did Krusty the clown.
                                         
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                                        The property is guilty.
                                         
                                        Exactly.
                                         
                                        And it starts as guilty.
                                         
                                        It starts as guilty.
                                         
                                        The cops, are they just, like, looting?
                                         
                                        Are they just, like, pillaging?
                                         
                                        They just have way better names for what they call, like, what we would call a jack move
                                         
                                        or being robbed.
                                         
    
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                                        So Josh, what's the second thing to consider?
                                         
                                        Well, I guess the other thing, we've been, what got biologists into the idea of looking at genes is that we were looking at morphological changes, right?
                                         
                                        Stuff we can see.
                                         
    
                                        Yes.
                                         
                                        Like this flying squirrel is not related to that flying squirrel, but they're both flying squirrels, even though we call them different things, phalangers.
                                         
                                        Right.
                                         
                                        When we look at the genetic level, we're finding that like these same morphological traits, the similarities, are also found on the genetic level.
                                         
                                        Right.
                                         
                                        Right?
                                         
                                        So basically they're thinking like, you can look at the ecological pressure, the environmental pressure that caused a polar bear's coat to become white.
                                         
                                        Right.
                                         
    
                                        Right?
                                         
                                        On an internal level with the interactions between amino acids and proteins that are causing these genes to be expressed.
                                         
                                        Right.
                                         
                                        So internally and externally, these changes are occurring to form flying phalangers.
                                         
                                        And squirrels on two different continents.
                                         
                                        Thank you, the freak show that is Australia, for basically pointing science in the right direction.
                                         
                                        They love it when we talk about them too. We always get emails from Aussies that are just like, you guys are the best.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
    
                                        And they gave us another one too, the Tasmanian wolf.
                                         
                                        Oh, is that Australian?
                                         
                                        Now extinct wolf, which is almost completely unrelated to any other wolf.
                                         
                                        It's extinct, like I said.
                                         
                                        But it is the spitting image of the gray wolf here in North America.
                                         
                                        Same size.
                                         
                                        Even though they're like, they were not related.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
    
                                        Same everything.
                                         
                                        This is the kind of science I dig.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        Cool science.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        Not that physics.
                                         
                                        Magnetism.
                                         
                                        You're into physics though, sort of.
                                         
    
                                        Just not a necessity, I guess.
                                         
                                        Yeah, but you have an appreciation more than I do, I think.
                                         
                                        Really?
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        You don't like fulcrums?
                                         
                                        What is wrong with you?
                                         
                                        What's a fulcrum?
                                         
                                        The fulcrum is the point.
                                         
    
                                        I know.
                                         
                                        It's like a seesaw, right?
                                         
                                        Isn't that the fulcrum?
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        Okay.
                                         
                                        It's like a balance on a seesaw.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        It's the point that a seesaw balances on.
                                         
    
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        Same thing.
                                         
                                        Got anything else?
                                         
                                        No.
                                         
                                        Are we just going to evolve separately here?
                                         
                                        I think so.
                                         
                                        Okay.
                                         
    
                                        If you want to learn more about evolution, you should type in evolution in the search
                                         
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                                        Also, check out, can animals evolve in isolation?
                                         
                                        That's a cool article.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        This article we've been talking about from the Grabster.
                                         
                                        You can two seemingly unrelated species that live in isolation from each other evolve into
                                         
                                        identical forms.
                                         
    
                                        You can also reach it by typing in parallel evolution in the search bar at howstuffworks.com.
                                         
                                        So there's a lot for you to go check out there.
                                         
                                        All right.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        And I would say just type in evolution in howstuffworks and you're going to get a whole
                                         
                                        bevy of cool stuff.
                                         
                                        That's what I said first.
                                         
                                        Oh, is it?
                                         
    
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        I'm reinforcing that.
                                         
                                        Well, Chuck said search bar at howstuffworks, right?
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        I did too.
                                         
                                        It's a super, super time for listener man.
                                         
                                        That's right, Josh.
                                         
                                        I'm going to call this, um, uh, mountaintop removal coal mining email from an insider.
                                         
    
                                        One of millions.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        We got a lot of positive feedback on this.
                                         
                                        And I surprisingly, not one person has written in yet that said, you jerks, you never think
                                         
                                        about the minor side of things.
                                         
                                        Most people have been like, yeah, this is probably shouldn't be some, some guy on Twitter
                                         
                                        basically said, I don't like it when they get political, but this one was pretty good.
                                         
                                        All right.
                                         
    
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        I'll take that then.
                                         
                                        Hey guys, I've heard all your podcasts from day one and keep up the good work, please.
                                         
                                        Sometimes you're all I need to get away from the day stress.
                                         
                                        I mean, mining engineer student enrolled at the University of Kentucky, go Wildcats, one
                                         
                                        of the largest exporters of eager and to do mining engineers.
                                         
                                        In reality, the decision to enroll here had more to do with scholarship opportunities than
                                         
                                        a lifelong love of Appalachian mining.
                                         
    
                                        However, after being surrounded by overzealous students who would personally blow up the earth
                                         
                                        for an ounce of coal because it keeps the lights on, I have become entirely infatuated
                                         
                                        with this mindset.
                                         
                                        I've interviewed for all the big name companies, some of which spend hundreds of thousands
                                         
                                        of dollars recruiting new workforce.
                                         
                                        When I interview for these companies, they seem to be in complete denial of the statistics.
                                         
                                        Occasionally showing a picture of a deer standing on a patch of grass and claiming that it's
                                         
                                        as if we were never there in the first place.
                                         
    
                                        As I have been shown firsthand what the mining field entails, I have nothing but devout respect
                                         
                                        for what these people do on a daily basis.
                                         
                                        That's something I don't know if we make clear.
                                         
                                        We're not anti-miners.
                                         
                                        We know these people work very hard.
                                         
                                        I think we made that extremely clear.
                                         
                                        I have nothing but devout respect for what these people do on a daily basis to make sure
                                         
                                        that I can send this email on my electricity-powered laptop.
                                         
    
                                        At the same time, I shudder in disappointment that they wishfully remain ignorant of the
                                         
                                        science involved in the harm they are doing.
                                         
                                        Part of me wishes to enter the field to reinvent the idea that providing energy must come at
                                         
                                        a sacrifice that compromises our ability to take care of the environment in our neighbors.
                                         
                                        Wish me luck as I have a lot of work ahead of me.
                                         
                                        And I asked him if he wanted to remain anonymous, and he said, it's probably a good idea.
                                         
                                        So that's anonymous.
                                         
                                        But pretty cool.
                                         
    
                                        Hey, thanks a lot, Anonymous.
                                         
                                        Yeah, changing the place from the inside, right?
                                         
                                        Good luck, buddy.
                                         
                                        We like anonymous emails, right?
                                         
                                        They're usually the most like, what?
                                         
                                        Exactly.
                                         
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