Subpar - 8AM Golf panel featuring Michael Phelps, Tim Clark, Jim ’Bones’ Mackay and Parker McLachlin

Episode Date: November 22, 2022

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six weeks of off season now? Finally. Five weeks? Yeah. The season is over. RSM Classic is in the books. Adam Svinson, the Canadian, picks up his first PGA tour win.

This thing was log jammed. It looked like we're going to have four or five-man playoff. All of a sudden, Adam Spencer doesn't Bertie the par five, 15th, but it makes a huge putt on 16 for Bertie. Great iron shot in a 17 to make Bertie. End up having a two-shot lead coming up to last. Yeah, it's a nice way to get your first up on the PJ tour.

This is a guy, too, that like, I played going way back Canadian tour with this guy. And there was a group of us at the time. We used to kind of say, all right, who's got it? Who's the next guy? Because there's going to be some dudes coming off this tour that go out, get on the PJ tour, win, have big careers. He was a guy and he got there right at the tail end of when I was playing.

But we saw him and like, to a man, the guys that I kind of did this little game with like, that kids got it. And I'm honestly, I guess more, less surprised that he won on the PJ tour and maybe that it took as long as it did because this guy's game is all around, been really good for a long time. And even crazier to think that it's his first one on the PJ tour. it's his first top five. So he wasn't a guy that was like, like, say it's the gala was right in the mix this week. Look like he might be a part of that four-man playoff, right? He's been knocking on the

door. He's been close. You kind of get there. You don't win. You learn the next time you get a little closer. Spinson just said, forget that. First top five, I'll just clip that thing off. Yeah, I never got a chance to play with him when I was still going, but I've always, everyone's just raved about his ball striking and how much potentially he has. It's just all about the putter for him. Well, this week, there was nobody that putted it better, and he ends up getting a two-shot lead. You know, we were looking at his stuff earlier. I believe this was a 70th event. He's made 39 cuts.

He's now made right around $3.3 million. Well, 1.5 of that was this past week. Half of it basically came this last week, and he's a guy going back. Like, now it's kind of starting to happen for him. I really think he's one of these next, like, Canadian guys that could be a part of the President's Cup. Next one's up there in Montreal. If he, you know, hangs around the hoop, he could be a guy that gets picked for that or maybe just automatically qualifies because the game's been there for a while.

Maybe it just takes one to get that domino effect. like we've seen with some other guys, but in terms of just his all-around game and his talent, it's really good. So not a huge surprise that he won, but I thought we're headed for, I was like, this is a four-way playoff,

ready to happen. Yeah, I'm with you. I mean, they were sitting there at 1700, and all of a sudden, boom, boom, he makes those two clutch birdies, but coldest shit down there, too, by the way. They were shooting these final round scores,

like, Svens and finished with a bogey-free, 64. There was some other good digits posted up there. It looked miserable every time I was turning on the TV, which, by the way, we didn't get to turn on the TV a whole lot this week because we had a bit of an event. And we'll get to that. Oh, okay.

Well, there was a little bit of an event. But first, before we get to the Doers moment of the week, this is actually a special moment in whiskey history because Doers is releasing the all-new Doers 12-year-old. Doers has really invested the time to make a truly special Scotts whiskey. Like all the time you put in at the range to perfect your swing. The new Dewers 12-year-old is double-aged and finished in first-field bourbon cast for a flavor profile full of fruit, vanilla, floral notes, and spice. earning a 94 point rating from whiskey cast and a 93 point rating from whiskey advocate.

Give it a swing and please enjoy responsibly. It's now time for the doers moment of the week. And yes, Lee's. Let's do it. It happened. If you're watching on video, I got a new little piece of jewelry. Look how heavy that hand is.

Oh, my God. It only weighs two ounces, but it's an anchor. It is. Wow. But we, that's heavy metal. We got amongst it this weekend, as we like to say. Throats are not doing great.

No, but man, it was so much fun. Lucky enough to marry to my now wife. It's weird saying that. Yeah, get used to that. Yeah, Natalie. We put on a show Friday night, welcome party into Saturday. It was one hell of a time. I mean, everybody that came out can't thank you enough.

And it went even better than I think I ever could have hoped for. I love weddings. Everyone's happy. Everyone gets after it a good bit. This one was spectacular from the start to the rehearsal to the pre-gaming before the wedding on Saturday. All the way into, we got to give a special team. tip of the cap to a loyal, very loyal listener, Mr. Peter Thomasulo, the reverend, the reverend, who became an ordained minister so he could be the efficient at your wedding, which goes to

show you, you can be anything you want to be in this life. If Peter Thomas Sulo could be a reverend, then I'm not convinced I can't be the tooth fairy if I want to be. I mean, he's up there. I'm watching him go, by the way, he was more nervous than anything he's ever done in his life. Got out the gates with a little stumble early on the very, what was the first sentence, the intro. You got that? You remember what he said? For those of you that don't know me, I'm Peter Thomasulo. And for those of you that do know me, I'm Peter Thomas. Thanks for clarifying that, Rev.

All right. Proceed. You know, Natalie and I asked him to do it. He's one of my best friends in the world. He had never done this before. He's like, I'd be honored to do it, though. And I was like, and as you mentioned, his nerves, Saturday morning, sitting at the house. We were all watching football.

He was sitting in the corner over by himself. And I was like, this dude's nervous. It was like a pitcher on a perfect game. I was like, no one talked to Pete. He is locked in. Had his notes, by the way. Did you see his notes? Because he was like, you read the thing, right?

His handwriting, I was like, you could hand that to anyone else in here. And they couldn't get, it's just straight chicken. I was like, you didn't think maybe type this thing up might be a little bit easier. So you don't have to, if you wrote a word sloppy, you don't stumble over it. He had a handwritten and it was just, it looked like Arabic. I told him before. I was like, listen, Peter, just calm down, relax. You're going to be fun.

It's like 260 people. No big deal. Just the biggest day of their lives. If you fuck it up, you'll just forever be butchered for it. As what friends do. That's what we said. If you fuck it up, we'll never let you forget about it. So just relax and go have fun.

See you out there. After that first sentence, I looked on, was like, oh boy, there we go. He was awesome. He was thoughtful. He was funny. Took a little shot at our man, Charles Barkley, which was great. Took a few shots at me. But, man, it was so much fun.

Even the golf Friday. Organizing 25 of you idiots is not the easiest thing in the world to do. But everything went. I can't believe that worked, actually. That group of people out there. Here's when you show up. Here's when we're going to tee off. There was really no no-shows or no anyone super late.

At what point do I tell our wonderful owner at Whist Brock and Silverleaf that I have no interest in paying the bill from this month? I think if you just don't pay it, that's what I do a lot. They'll give you like six months of leeway before you get the email like, hey dude, you've charged some things. Do you want to pay? Do you want to still be a member? And that's when I typically be like, oh, you guys are serious about that. All right, stand by. Man, but seriously, it was so much fun.

I'm so lucky. I'm glad you were there to experience it. You put on a hell of a show yourself. I played to the whistle, dude. Did I not play to the whistle? A lot of people did. I might have, well, let's just say the first dance of the night, Diane McCord, who's right there I was song with Gary.

She's like, first dance. First time the music plays, you and I are going out there. It's like, you got it, babe, whatever you want. I was like, buckle up. I get wild out there. Sure enough, first note comes, grabs me by my tie, yanks me out there, we're right in front of Gary, and we got nasty. We got filthy.

I was looking at Gary's like, Jesus, God, this is an aggressive woman you have here. I've never been more, never been more aroused. I was like, take my wife, get her out of here. She's not going to like what's going on right here. But we had a time, dude, and congratulations to you. It's fun to be a part of it. That was a hell of a wedding. Hell of a wedding.

I'm struggling. We'll continue to struggle. Thank God it's some holidays right now to get out of it. I'll give you my doer's moment of the week, which ties into the deal, obviously. Saturday morning we come over rehearsal dinner the night before. So we're getting IVs. By the way, it touched me. Tip of the cap for the IVs.

Game changer because we had a big night that night too. We're sitting there when my boys are on. TCU Baylor. And I, as you know, watch games alone because I want to only be around people that care as much as I do, which is an unhealthy amount. So I always watch all of them by myself. For this, I'm like, well, I've got to be there for this. It's second half.

It's close. I'm sitting next to Gary Woodland, who by the way, there's not more of an energy suck, just a negative wet blanket the whole time talking about what we're going to lose. Oh, that should be a penalty flag. all this shit took all my positivity all my mojo to get us through that game with the game-winning field goal where I went ape shit after that rubbed in Gary's face but that's a tough environment for a guy like me to to watch my boys potentially lose their perfect season which we did it and shout out Griffin Kell that's the moment of the week with the walk-off field goal to clip those boys that was

a hell of a game I really enjoyed watching you freak out I thought you're going to have a heart attack in my living room but Gary okay listen I've known the man for a long time he is the absolute worst to watch your team with because he doesn't care he wants them to lose and he loves rooting against you he loves fucking with you i mean it's it's entertaining now looking back on it since y'all now it's great and it was fun i would kill them otherwise he was just giving it to you and i was just crying when i was running around the room after the field goal going ape shit and then he yells flag i almost had a heart i was like no don't it and then i saw that it wasn't true i was like you you dirty dog but congrats to your boys are hanging hanging hanging in there hanging tough

College football by week. We would love of 40 to 7 type of a game eventually, but we're not getting them. What are you going to do? Hair's getting greater and grayer. Oh, my God, there's a lot of stress. I'm aging like a dog right now. All right, well, let's get to our interview this week. This was a fun one.

We were lucky enough to host a panel out at the Golf's Top 100 Teachers Summit here in Scottsdale, over at Top Golf. Some of the best teachers from all across the country were here. And we got to host a panel with the great Michael Phelps, Jim Bones-McKye, Parker McLaugh on the short game chef And Timmy Clark The Little South African It was a hell of a panel, wasn't it?

It was awesome You know, we went up there Just started asking a few questions They started asking questions We went out of the crowd It was great This is a really fun interview Michael Phelps was having a good time

Phelps is a guy that everyone says Like tough nut to crack You know what I mean? Like you could be a little standoffish Things like that We got him going And when we went in the crowd We opened it up to the gallery

Like to the fans What everyone would call it ask questions. And it was hard to hear back there because the speakers were up front like for us. Every time I looked up, Mike was just still going. I'm like, yeah, Mike seems to be comfortable in here. So it was a hell of a pound. That's a good crew, kind of eclectic crew, different careers, different sports, all that. But yeah, that was fun. That was right before the wedding week too. Yep. All right. Well, here it is. Enjoy. All right. All right. Let's get this thing started here. Everyone get a drink. Get ready.

and welcome to the 8amGolf.com Instructors Summit. I am Drew Stoltz. He is Colt Nose will be your host this evening before we get started. A big thank you to 8am and Howard Milstein for putting this event on. Let's give him a round of applause. Also a huge personal thank you to Justin Timberlake for being here today. I've been with my wife 12 years and until earlier this afternoon, she didn't give a shit about golf ever. And all of a sudden about 1 p.m. today, she really got into golf and had to be here.

So thanks for growing the game, dog. Appreciate you. You're doing God's work. She doesn't know where the Masters is played, but she had to be here tonight at the Instructors Summit to learn about golf. All right. Colt, why don't you go ahead and introduce our fine panel this Eve? Well, first off, I would like to say how cool it is to have over 100 of the best instructors in the country.

I think you fired about 52 of them. They couldn't help. Worthless. I love you all. But seriously, we got an absolute legend sitting next to me right here. Jim Bones McCau. does it all, catty, TV, currently on the bag for Justin Thomas. Tough job you got.

Yep. And then the man next to him, I don't think, needs an introduction one bit. We got Michael Phelps sitting over here. Now these other two we might have a problem with. We've got a two-time PGA tour winner, Tim Clark in the building. And the short game chef, PGA tour winner, now a very well-known short game instructor, Parker McLaughlin. All right, my job's done. All right, that's it.

Thanks, guys. See you next time. Before we get started, what do we all think about the new hairdo from our guy, Mike, right here? Mikey, you couldn't hold back. Talk to me. What is this? What do you call this? Now you're giving me shit.

You were telling me to tighten it up. Now you're telling me, what's going on here? I think it's not extreme enough. No? No, I think you've got to go more, dude. It's like really like Brad Pitt, Fury. We just got to go there. Yeah, a little Mr. Miyagi vibe.

You're really under the radar with that. That's what Fuji says. Really? Yeah. I mean, you put that man bun with Tim's mustache. I had one. I actually had a nice one. That's a walking Amber Alert.

Children would not be allowed at this event. Nicole said, grow the full one back. I think my phone just vibrated. Hold on. Amber Alert at Top Golf. All right. What we're going to do is we're going to ask some questions to all these guys, but really what we want to do is open it up to you all.

You got some of the best in the business at everything they do. So we're going to ask a few questions. If at any point you got some questions for the boys, we're going to walk around with the mic, and you got full access to some of the best to ever do it. So with that being said, let's get started. Anybody got any questions? No, let's start with you, Michael, though,

because obviously we know golf is not your first sport, but you have become obsessed with the game. Tell us what you love about the game of golf, and, you know, what's it like for you getting out there and tee it up? because you play alongside some of the best players in the world. It's frustrating. And I honestly think it's because I did something for, you know,

two plus decades where I had great success, and now I'm out there and I literally struggle on top of countless shots. And it's not necessarily formed when sometimes it is, but it's more of really what's in between my head. So how can I get back to new? And that's like in the pool or behind the block, it was something that was so simple because I practiced it every single day. But I feel like the more that I am hitting a golf ball, I don't want to say the easier it gets, but the more confident I am. The more relaxed I am, the more I'm able just to be me and play the shots that I play.

Is it humbling to go from like the best in the world that best ever do it to that I'm to, to go and just start at zero. And then you have the balls, though. You have the balls to get out at 16 and hit the shot of glory. Wow. I mean, is that a real question? I don't know. Like, fuck. Egos are a weird thing.

It's hard as hell. But, like, I just love the game. Like, I just, like, that's the dead honest truth. Like, I'm just obsessed with the game. And, look, like, I, you know, competition for me has been, I don't want to see easy, but it has been because of the preparation that I've put into my respective sport. So when I'm put at 16 in front of 30,000 people and they're booing you or they're screaming or they're hammered and you have no fucking clue what they're saying,

you just try to relax, but it is really hard. My hands are shaking when I'm putting the tea in the ground when as soon as I walk through that tunnel because it's the adrenaline. Yeah, I don't know. I could ramble for days. Well, I'm actually glad you said adrenaline because I think the man sitting next to me has seen it up close and personal more than anyone over his career.

And I think that's one thing for all the teachers out there. I think, you know, you can't really explain how to handle it until you're actually in the position. So you caddy for Justin Thomas, one of the best in the world. At what point in a round, or does he do anything where you know like, hey, the adrenaline's kicking in. I got to allow for this a little bit. It was a big thing with Mickelson, the 25 years I worked for him.

On those occasions that he had a chance to win the Masters, we would just throw everything out of the window in terms of how far he hit the ball. And, you know, you get to 15 and it's 70 degrees, and, you know, it's very kind of light air. He's got a chance to win the Masters, and all of a sudden his eight iron's going 17 yards further than it should. So, you know, you just have to plug that in and hopefully learn your guy. You know, Justin's a little bit more normal, if you will,

in terms of not feeling that kind of excitement in his body and his numbers being what they would be on Wednesday at the Phoenix Open. So it was a big thing with Phil, lots of adrenaline, and Justin's just wired a little differently. What's it like to go from a guy that pretty much went for everything his entire career? And for you, I assume you had to relearn the art of the punchout. Yeah, that's an option. Yeah, my ulcer's doing better. So it's, you know, that was part of what made Phil great. And he was very unapologetic about it and said this is the way I'm going to play.

and if you don't like it, go watch somebody else. And that's great. He was a very authentic guy in that respect. But Justin's a little more buttoned up. He's played a lot of golf with Tiger, you know, young when he was in his early 20s. I think, you know, that relationship has had an effect on ultimately how Justin goes about his business on the golf course. So a pretty good mentor to have. But, you know, when it comes time, he's not afraid to kind of let it fly, drive a green, things along those lines.

He's got some go. A little bit. But, Tim, you know, we got all. these great instructors here and you might be one of the most field players I've ever come across. Tell some of the teachers out there like kind of your preparation getting ready for a tournament. Well, growing up in South Africa in a small little town, there weren't too many golf instructors around. So the closest thing I came to a lesson was my father, who was a 14 handicap, telling me how to hold the club, right? Needless to say, I never had an instructor my entire

career. So I'm quite proud of that. I don't like to put anyone out of a job, but... So all 100 of you, you're worthless is what Tim said. But I think just for me, I learned the game on my own. You know, I hit so many balls as a young kid, probably from the age of six, maybe even younger, I was at the golf course every day, and I figured out a swing, and it certainly wasn't a pretty swing. It wasn't technically sound. Well, actually, it was pretty sound, but You know, if I looked at it, I probably saw my swing on a video for the first time I was 18 or 19 years old, you know, and I nearly had a heart attack, right? But I made it work. And I think for me, having hit so many balls, I didn't need the perfect swing.

It could be off on some days and I'd still be able to figure out how to play. So my philosophy on the game is quite different to a lot of guys. You know, I think they would love to hear the story because you shared it on our podcast. podcast, but you won the players championship, one of the biggest golf tournaments in the world. Take us through 17, which everyone here knows, one of the most iconic holes that we see all year. Take us through that T-shot on 17 when you had a chance to win the players. Yeah, and you've heard the story a few times, but, you know, at that point I'd never, I hadn't won on tour yet. I'd been on the tour for 10 or 11 years or so, and at that point,

I'd pretty much resign to the fact I'm never going to win, right? and I get on 17 and I know I'm in the hunt, I'm pretty close, I'm trying as hard as I can not to look at a leaderboard and I've got to tee the ball on the ground and I almost fell over. You talk about the shaking hands. My head felt like the jack-in-the-box guy, right? You know what I mean? So I managed to get it in the ground

and I'm discussing with my caddy, what club we're going to hit. And I think I asked him about five or six times. You think that's a nine-nine. You think it's a nine-nine. And eventually I get over the ball. And now it's going through my head, like, what has to move to get this club going back?

You know, how do I normally do this? I've kind of lost all sort of feel, all consciousness at this point. And I remember the last thing I said to myself, is you've hit hundreds of thousands of golf balls, just swing the club. You know, I think I've told you guys this, if I'd had a swing thought at that moment, I would have probably missed the ball. It was just a case of get the club moving.

And once I got the club moving, it actually just, it all clicked into place. But that's just the game the mind plays with you. You know, it's, that's the art of professional golf, is trying to deal with those emotions, deal with that adrenaline. And I didn't do a very good job of it before hitting the golf shot. But once I got that shot out of the way, I was back down to calm. and from then on actually felt really good about it. Speaking of not having any feel, Parker, you work with guys that don't have any feel every day.

It's your new job. You went from PJ Tour winner, now you're one of the most respected short game guys on the PGA tour. You're known as the Short Game Chef on all social media outlets. Give us how he came into the name Short Game Chef and what it's like going from playing to now being on the coach's side. Yeah, I mean, it was kind of just a whim. You know, every shot around the green has a type of recipe

that you've got to use, right? You've got to open the face up or do something with the shaft, release your hands a certain way. And so I just said, well, every shot's got a recipe, every shot's got ingredients that you've got to have to hit a high, low, spinner, whatever it might be. And so I was like, I want to be the short game chef. And so I'm giving out recipes all day.

I'm just glad you admit it's self-proclaimed nickname. No one gave it to you. There's nothing wrong with it. If you leave it up to other people, they're all idiots. You know what I mean? Come up with your own. Do you think you made more money winning on the PJ tour, or are you going to make from Charlie V trying to fix that disaster of a short game?

I think it was probably roughly a million you got. I got to figure he's good for two or three. What do you do with someone like that? What are you like, yeah, you just got to time your flinch. You're fucking up. Your flinch is too early, dude. You've got to get it right there at the bottom. No, I've been lucky to help like 20.

Look at him. You can't even always drink. 25 people I've helped out of the chipping yet. So Charlie V., I got you. But, yeah, you know, you see it more and more these days with the lies are being cut so tight The agronomy is so good. The grass is tight. And people are forced to chip it from these, you know,

little swales that Phil Mickelson creates on the lower course. So then, like, basically, how do you, I guess I ask everybody here, how do you teach somebody to get up behind the ball and not give a shit? That's part of it. Right. Part of its technique and part of it is. Right? Because, like, right, like, repetitions, it's the highest form of learning.

So, like, how can you get somebody to get, like, to get behind a ball? Yeah. Like, I'm one of those people. I travel to Florida and I'm dead. The lies, no good, I'm dead, done. And I just chunk everything. So it's like how do you just get somebody to get up behind the ball and just, like I said, who cares? Just go.

Well, for $250 an hour, you can learn, Michael. Well, I'm just saying, like, I'm giving you, like, I don't know, like, it's a question that I have. Like, you can buy a package of four for $900, though, right now. There you go. question though Parker because not to just call out our whisperout guys but that's the only people I know here but we've got Charlie V who's not the greatest chipper and then our wonderful director of golf Trent Rathburn over there you had to get one of them to get the ball up and down to save your life who you going with or he could just kill yourself yeah I mean if you give me an hour

with each of them I can give you a good answer no no it's like right now right here up and down for your life who you going with if you had an hour with each of them who would you take I'll take, I'll take Trent just because I feel like he has Go Blue. I feel like he's got the pedigree. Charlie V's a much better temper. Here's the question for a teacher

because obviously you need business, you need guys to need you to fix them and things like that. Is there some sort of incentive to not ever really fix them fully? That's the problem. Like a guy that gets sick always coming back to the doctor.

Like you need to get sick for doctors to make money. That's been the problem I've noticed is that I fix people too quick and they don't come back. You can't fix them all the way. be like, yep, you're good. I'll never see again. I can't afford my house now. See you later.

No, you give them little bits at a time, right? You give them 10% at a time. I mean, I try to fix people the entire way. Like, my goal is not to see them week after week. I don't want to do that. I want to fix them, get them going so that they can own it, and they go play in the tournament. But everybody, got it.

But doesn't everybody learn differently, though? So, like, right? Like, everybody's going to grasp things differently than... So I think, like, one of the great things about being a teacher and these guys out here will know it, is you have to say the same shit nine different ways because you never know how someone's going to interpret it. Try 100.

Yeah. Literally, try 100. Like, every single person is different. I had one coach for 20 plus years. The reason why he got into my head the perfect way that it all made sense. Give us an idea of you on the starting block, how many thoughts are going through your head?

Zero. On the T, okay. There's none. Okay, how many on the T? Depends on where I am and where I'm playing. First hole, silver leaf. Not much. Because I know, like, if I'm playing the tips, I'm not reaching the bunkers, and I just hit three wood.

And honestly, I hope I worked through enough things on the range that I can control my ball flight and set up the perfect way, but set up for me is a train wreck. So I try to, back to what I said, not think. Because the more I just do, the more I'm able to learn. And that's how I was in the swimming pool. And naturally, I've had better success on the golf course, because I don't think. I just do, right?

You're athletic, you just do. The hard part about golf is that the object's just sitting there, where swimming, you're sort of reacting, right? Like, baseball you're reacting. But the temperature of the pool is exactly the same. The depth is exactly the same. The length or, well, the width of the lane lines are exactly the same. My competitors are pretty much exactly the same.

So, I mean, I get what you're saying. Like a golf course, like the one thing that's different for me is wind, right? And that's one thing for me that's hard to adjust to, right? Like downwind, I feel like I've figured that part out. but into the wind it's just difficult. Yeah. All right, before we get back to the interview, I want to make sure everybody heads over to the golf.com pro shop.

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My wife will be reaching out. She's a big golfer now. Big golf for now. I've got my wife into golf, and it's been really fun. We play a ton together, so it's enjoyable. You actually just won the 9 and Dine, I heard out at Silver Lake. Yeah, we did. We did.

Champs. It was nice. So Michael Phelps, best swimmer of all time. You're looking around the room. You see people like Colt Nost. Do you wonder if you were put into golf what you did to swimming, if you look at his athletic for hours compared to yours? guys.

Do you think you could have been as good as Colt knows if you'd put that much effort into golf? I think I could have won at least one tournament. All right, fair enough. But he does hit it a lot straighter than I do, so I would have really said it. I mean, if I got out there, he's going to kick my ass. I know that. I love Colt. And Colt gives me the most shit, and I know he's going to give me a ton of it for that.

So it's fine. But, yeah. Any inquiring minds over on this side of the room? Anyone? A lot of people that know everything about golf in this room, boys. Tough shit. I want to ask questions. You're not that interesting.

No one cares. All of you. Pump up song in the first tea. What are you listening to? Bones, I know you're getting hyped up out there. Anything by Dr. Dre. A little old school Dr. Dre. I'll go anything by Tool.

I'm going with Toto Africa. Classic. Classic. Mine was always hip-hop. I was a big biggie fan. There's not one song. Sky's the limit was one. But, yeah, something with some meaning.

I'll go Justin Timberlake. Good question about it. The man knows his audience. He knows the audience. Bones, for you, as long as you've been doing this, you've been a part of, I don't even know how many wins it is. I think it's over 50 now. Do you get nervous at all going out?

there? I don't. It just occurred to me at one point when you're sitting out there on the range behind these guys that I don't have to hit a shot, thank God. So I can kind of just go through my whole thing and let them deal with that and it was just not really something I ever had to deal with one time early in Phil's career. He had a chance to break 60 in Las Vegas when there was a big financial incentive. Back in the day like a magazine was putting up a million dollars for players that broke 60, which

didn't happen much back then. And I remember thinking, God, I don't want to be the guy. that talks him into the wrong club and it ultimately not getting to that kind of goal. But, you know, fortunately, I'm just hanging out there and just enjoying the weather and just chasing down some divots. Is there a guy that y'all get paired with in today's PGA tour that you still are like crazy impressed with? Anybody? Just one guy you get paired with you're like, my God, he's got it. Well, certainly Rory all of a sudden has got it, you know, maybe more so than he's ever had it.

But I will say that having had a chance to caddy when Tiger was in his prime, I'll probably never, ever say that someone was as good as that. Because Tiger, at one point, I figured, was the best at every single part of golf than anybody else in the world, whether it's driving, irons, pitching, putting, mind. At one point, he could do all of the above better than anybody else in the game. I thought that was quite impressive. How many golfers do you guys see nowadays actually care about a mental approach to the sport? Almost all of them.

Now? Yeah, it's completely, when I started catting in the 90s, I mean, you could go to the bird's nest at the Phoenix Open, and 40 guys might be in there drinking the night before a competitive round. Today, that won't happen at all. It's completely changed in terms of how they eat, what they think, you know. In those days, the bartender was the sports psychologist. Exactly right. Exactly right. All right. We got another question over here.

Okay. I'm just starting golf. It is so frustrating. I hate it. Does it ever get better? Yeah, I mean, I would say yes, but it's still going to break your heart almost every day, right? But you'll have those shots where you'll come back and be like, oh, my God, I finally hit one the way I was thinking I was going to hit it. But yeah, I think, you mean, go forward. find any of the guys in here, there's a hundred great instructors in here that will give you the right advice. All you need is a set of fundamentals and then you can kind of start playing off of that and being creative and having fun with it. It's actually true. But it's also like the more you hit

balls, right? And that's the biggest thing. It's the only way you get the feel. But yes, it does get better. I will admit it does get better. I know J.T. can admit it does it does get better, right? Like, we've played enough. It does get better. All right, we got another one over here. Fire away, sir. Chef. Tim, Michael, for all you guys, under the gun, are you going stock shot shape, or do you guys like to work it into different whole locations? And is that change off the T or is that different for approach shots? Yeah, I mean, I would say, like my stock go-to shot was always a little lower.

I grew up in Hawaii, saw the ball coming out a bit lower with some wind. So my stock shot was always a bit lower. I'd always like to take left out of play, so I'd play a little fade. And that would be pretty much with every club if I was really nervous. Yeah, I think for me it was more a case of what was working that week. You know, every week's different. Your body feels different every week. And thus you can't swing it the same.

every week and I think that's what's tough for a lot of guys that work very hard in the goal swings they're trying to create the same swing all the time and it's just not possible I think you have to be able to adapt and work with different swings so for me it was whatever was working that week particularly off the T. Iron shots if it was under the gun he's right a little fade was always the most consistent shot you could play you could control the distance a lot better and you know less chance of of spraying it with a slight fade. But again, for me, it was more of a case of feel

and what was feeling good at the time that I'd go with. Just commit. Again, like, I mean, for me, this is, I'm not good, but for me, it's just been committing, because again, that's the only way I'm going to learn how am I ever going to get better. Committing to a shot, getting out of my comfort zone, picking a target and going with it.

For me, playing in Arizona, we live here. So desert golf, target practice, picking something, just committing to it. So wherever I go, that's typically what I try to do. All I have to say on that subject, since I don't play, is that, you know, if you're a player, you can definitely win a number of tournaments on the PGA tour hitting just one shot. We've seen it over and over again. But if you want to win majors, it certainly helps to be able to turn the ball both ways. Bones is a short game nerd.

Who would you take up and down JT or Phil right now? Right now or both in prime? I mean like, well, yeah, both in their prime. Who would you take JT or Phil? Get it up and down for your life? You know, J.T.'s so good. I'm not sure he's gotten to his prime yet, so maybe we can get back to that. No, there are two of the best.

The thing about it is they're so radically different. Phil uses spin and JT doesn't. So it's fascinating to watch him, you know, go at their craft. But I will say Phil was incredibly good at the really, really hard shots. And J.T. is much more consistent at shots that you wouldn't describe as painfully difficult. Yeah, I would notice that J.T. does a lot more of the vanilla shots really well. Right. And Phil way more hands.

Right. And he's sitting the crazy shots that you'll see on Sports Center and pulling them off. Yeah. Yeah. No question. I once saw Phil. He was paired with Adam Scott and Tiger at the tournament there at Deutsche Bank. and he had a pitch shot for Miami 11th Green, and nobody hit a shot after Phil did for like two or three minutes because everybody was like, what in the hell just happened there?

So he could do some cool stuff. I don't know if you remember. We were paired the first two days at Wingfoot all those years ago. And Phil had that 64 degree at the time. And I mean, he hit it all over that golf course. And that rough was this long. Yeah. I think we're playing with Thomas Bjorn.

I don't know if I mean you probably won't even remember that but I just remember a couple times Phil hitting it into the rough this long and going in there with a I think you had a five wood or a seven Yeah five wood and twice I think he hit it three feet Yep then you hit it up around the green take out the 64 hit it like this yeah I mean that was one of the first weeks that he ever had that club and it always kind of surprised me that nobody You know he almost won the US Open hitting it incredibly poorly because of that one club you're mentioning it and I'm surprised me you haven't seen more of them since. In fact, I don't think I've seen any.

It's an almost impossible to use. Yeah, I guess it takes a little practice. So then, like, who would you say has the most creativity that you've ever seen on tour? I mean, like, you're literally talking about wedge specialists of all time. But, like, who has the most creativity? Sorry, guys. Hi, bones. Sorry.

I mean, I thought you're talking about my creativity, but whatever. I mean, I'd say speed. Speed right now to me is sort of what Phil was. And he's better, I think, at the standard shots, right? I think Spieth is like, he can go really shallow, but he can also go steep with those pitch shots. But he hits those high ones. He hits the bunker shots unbelievable.

I think he's kind of the guy right now that sort of has it all. And he also hit a shot last year in Elney 8, the Pebbleworthy could have died in the aftermath, and I don't think anybody else in golf would have done that either. Maybe Phil would have done that too, though, right? Maybe so. Yeah. All right, guys, we got a question in the back here. I don't know if you can see, but this is coming from.

from the legend Gary McCord himself, so prepare yourself accordingly. Of the nine planets in our solar system, which planet is the only one that goes counterclockwise in its rotation out of the nine? Good luck. Time's up. It's a good question.

Gary McCord, ladies and gentlemen. Wow. Anyone got an answer? Pretty sure that's a safe guess, Chef. It's a good question when you're brain is fried from all the drugs for the last 40 years. All right, we got any other questions out there? All right, well, first off, let's give it up for Bones, Michael Phelps, Tim Clark, Parker

McLaughlin. And thank you all for being here. This has been awesome. Congratulations on being here. This is a great feat for all y'all. Hope you all enjoy the rest of the week here in Scottsdale. There you go. Drive safely.

Get the hell out. Well, Sleys, that was one hell of a time hosting that panel with those boys. Tim Clark, Parker McLaughlin, Bones. Michael Phelps, can't thank them enough for taking time to come join us. Also, we had some super fans in the crowd. A guy named Brian Erlacher, might have heard him. Yeah. And then his other fella, which there was a lot more Femos there than I thought, maybe because this guy was there, Justin Timberlake was in the house. As I said, my wife all of a sudden around 1 p.m. that afternoon became very interested in learning about golf and golf instruction. She literally can't tell you where the Masters is played,

but she was like, I need to be at this summit. It's like, oh, really? Really? All of a sudden. Yeah. It took you a while there, babe. I told Natalie, I said, do you want to go to this event tonight? Slees and I are hosting?

She's like, what is it? I was like, oh, this golf teaching thing at Top Golf? She's like, not really. I was like, oh, one of your favorites is going to be there. She's like, who? Slees? She said Fleener. I was like, no, not Fleener.

I was like, he sings and dances pretty well. Fleener? She goes, she said Fleener again. And I sent her a gift of Justin Timberlach. Like she goes, shut the F up. Greatest wedding present ever, I'll be there. After this deal ended and we were like talking to people and doing all this stuff, it was just funny to watch the slow migration of every female in the thing

just coming up to the front. I was like, here it come. They're all trying to wait for their little pocket, wait for the window here to get pictures. And there's just picture, picture, picture, picture, picture all over the place. She was so excited to meet him. She's been to his concert a few times. And I wanted to introduce to him because she was a super fan. So I was up on the stage getting ready to go with you.

And Justin came up and said hi to me. I've seen him in quite a while. He's like, what's going on? I was like, I'm actually getting married on Saturday. I'd love to introduce you my fiancee. She'll freak out. He's like, I'm going to bring her over here. She starts walking over.

She goes, he goes, her? Oh, I've already met her. I'm like, what the fuck? Oh, you? From my DMs? Yeah. It looks a lot different. Never mind.

Look a lot different with all those clothes on. I was like, oh, cool. Justin, Natalie, now with Justin, here's your wedding present. Goodbye. Hey, by the way, if you're going to be around, you want to maybe perform Saturday night and just play some of the greatest hits. It'd be nice. Yeah.

back patio. And I was like, you're still in town. He goes, yeah, I heard there's a wedding. I might stay and show up for it. I'm like, well, you're damn sure welcome. Yeah, you know what? Yeah, you get a plus one too. Maybe if old Jessica wants to slide in, whatever. But it was really cool to have all those great teachers in Scottsdale. My guy, Randy Smith, got inducted into the Teachers Hall of Fame, which was cool. But I know a lot of those guys out there use the Rapsoto Launch Monitor, which, why wouldn't you? It's absolutely incredible. It's number one rated personal launch monitor. pairs Doppler radar in your iPhone or iPad camera to track and measure every shot,

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I know. But they won, more importantly. That's all, I've never been so, I told you, that was, as it was all going on, I was like, this one matters for a number of reasons, financially and just for my fandom. And I've never been so happy to lose a bet, the non-cover, the missed extra point. And it costs us. That's when I started to freak out. A little one by three, one by two.

No cover there from my boys. But, you know, you live to fight another day. You know, back to Peter Thomas Thuleau for a second, who coaches his son's flag football team, which is an absolutely incredible. I mean, damn. Here's the deal. This is what you got to teach these kids. It's not about winning or losing. It's about covering.

It's all that matters. Sometimes maybe you need to tank kids. There's a situation where you can benefit financially. Maybe don't give your best effort, but make it look believable. So if we're going to lose, we might as well lose by 17 instead of 14. Yes. You know, that's a valuable lesson for kiddies to learn. But we did give you a winner this week because I took the Illinois line up.

No, that was smart. That could have been that was a close money line without a controversial call at the end. But yeah, that was a good one. All right, so this week, I'm going to roll with what. This team has just been absolute shit. Oklahoma State has just really been struggling

in the last several weeks. I know our man Hayden Wood, is he still paying off his debt to you? He's hard to get on the horn to settle up on this thing, but I got some pictures. I said, you don't start doing this thing and posting as we agreed to and there's going to be some pictures lying around the internet, bud.

So I'm going to go with West Virginia, plus nine and a half against Oklahoma State this week. Okay, Big 12 country. I love that. I'm going to go with, speaking of teams that ain't got it right now, I'm going against one. I'm going LSU minus nine and a hook against A&M, who by the way is just in like free fall mode.

Starting the year, it's like national championship playoffs. They spent more money than anybody on all these players. They are in a situation, like they're in disarray right now. On the flip side, LSU, two losses early. Now they find themselves in a spot where they're going to play for SEC championship. They could potentially still get in the college football playoffs. It's just two teams in two very different spots right now. I think LSU rolls by double digits and big double digits.

I think A&M is ready for the season to be over. All right. Well, there you go. I got West Virginia. You got LSU. Go taggers. Go tagging. Yeah, go get the gumbo.

All right. Well, everyone have a great Thanksgiving, and we'll talk to you when we return to golf subpar.