Subpar - Abraham Ancer Interview: Inside the International Team locker room at the 2019 Presidents Cup, facing off against Tiger Woods

Episode Date: October 27, 2020

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, former PGA Tour pro Abraham Ancer joins former PGA Tour pro Colt Knost and his close friend and on course rival Drew Stoltz for an exclusive, in-studio, interview. The 2019 Presidents Cup International Team member talks what it was like inside the locker room at Royal Melbourne, his comments on wanting to play Tiger Woods being misconstrued, and what he is looking forward to about playing in The Masters for the first time this fall.

Hello world. Welcome to another week of golf subpar. Colt Nose Drew Stoltz. Just wrapped up the Zozo Championship at Sherwood. And the man, Patrick Cantlay, took down two stalwart, John Rom and Justin Thomas this year. Yes, look at the top of that leaderboard going into Back 9. I was pretty convinced it was going to be Rom or JT. I was like, man, this is the two. We've been waiting to see a battle like this, you know, for a long time. And then out of nowhere, those guys kind of put it in neutral.

And Cantley kept pressing, shoots a little final, or Back 933, comes out with the one-stroke, win. I don't know if, you know, we talked about this earlier. I don't know if you can say that those two guys lost it and then Patrick Cantley, you know, didn't win it. He absolutely kept his foot down and shot 33 on the back nine final rounds minus seven. But those guys, that's not what I was expecting on the back nine from those two guys, at least not both of them. No, and I mean, going into the back nine, you know, first off, Patrick Cantley played fantastic. But to have John Rom and Justin Thomas both shoot even par on that back night, especially Justin Thomas, who was 15 under on the back nine through the first three rounds, I thought Justin Thomas,

was the guy to beat, but you know, he made some bad swings coming down the stretch and just wasn't able to get it done. But you got to give it to Patrick Cantley. The guy went his first 61 holes, bogey free. Made two bogeys all week. Listen, this is a big time win. His third one, I wouldn't say it's quite as big as the memorial, but it's still a pretty big one to go along with the Shriners in Las Vegas. But, you know, big things expected. He moves in the top ten of the world. I think we'll see these three guys, Patrick Cantley, Justin Thomas, and John Rompe, battling it out down the stretch a lot in the future. Yeah, Cantley is a guy. that I've loved for a lot. I've liked him for a long time. I feel like he, I don't want to say

underperform, but just looking at his talent, you're like, why does this guy win not win a ton of times? He seems to always be there. He had a little rough stretch towards the end of this last season, but typically so consistent. And he's a guy that I would put very similar vein to like Xander Schauchley, just zero weaknesses in their game, very soft-spoken. Don't get all the media attention because they're not out there giving interviews and things like that. They don't want the attention. But from T to Green, just all around golf game, I mean, he's phenomenal. He jumps into the top 10 in the world golf rankings, like you said, and they're peeking at a very nice time.

Almost won the Shriners, too, just a few weeks ago. At the 54-hole lead, he was the guy that everybody pointed to in that event was like, that's the guy to win. He'd won there before, didn't get it done, and now he bounces back and beat an unbelievable field. I mean, minus DJ, pretty much everybody was there. Yeah, you mentioned Zander Schauchley. Both those guys, him and Patrick Cantley, are an agent's dream because they never say anything stupid. They don't say much at all, but they're never going to get themselves in trouble.

There's no endorsement deal that comes to either one of them. They're like, all right, just don't tweet anything stupid. Don't get drunk and start firing stuff off. They're going to be just fine. They're going to be exactly what you expect. but I think that's part of the reason why they don't get as much of attention. Sure, neither of them I don't think of one at the clip that they could win because they are so talented, but they also aren't the guys grabbing headlines every single

week saying things about other players or whatever. They just go about their business, play well every single week, it seems like, and that's why they don't get quite all the love. But I expect big things from Patrick Cantley this year. I think now he's going to be a factor going, you know, in terms of betting, you'll be one of the guys higher up there on the boards going into Augusta and just getting that first one. And over a year, it's been a long time.

coming for him and just that little shot of confidence, I think, goes a long way. As our good friend, Mark Mulder would say, the ceiling is the roof. The ceiling is the roof for him. Not sure what that means, but I feel like good things are coming. But I like it. I'm going to continue to say it. Yeah. Well, and we're two weeks away from the Masters, and I tell you what, a man that didn't play

this past week, still making news. Mr. Bryson DeShambo sending out a little tweet and Instagram story showing that he hit his first ball over 400 yards in the air. Just a little 400 carry. Just, hey, I know I'm not playing this week, but here's a little reminder. I'm out here. I'm working. And oh, by the way, I'm hitting it 400 in the air. And also, this isn't my 48-inch driver.

When I first saw it, I was like, oh, finally, we get to, you know, we're seeing what this 48-incher could do. Turns out it wasn't. If you do look, though, at the track man or flight scope or whatever it was, it was a 20-mile-hour downwind. So, all right, that wasn't disclosed. You have to kind of look to find that. Was 20-mile-d-d-yard downwind?

I don't care. But it was at 56 degrees. So it was a little cooler. Yeah, cooler. Which, obviously, this guy's very, very smart. he's kind of looking like, to me, it looks like he's foreshadowed into Augusta where he thinks it's going to be a little chillier, a little breezier. And like you said, 20 mile an hour, that's a lot of wind, obviously.

But still, 400 in the air, get down. That's still, that's different. Someone sent out a tweet, like, what's he going to do on 375 yard par four? Yeah. He doesn't have a club. But he's the betting favorite right now. And I mean, with numbers like this, I mean, look out. It's going to be very interesting.

I am a little nervous with Bryson about if he does go to this 48-inch driver with no competitive rounds before the Masters. Yeah, that's a big change. to add, what, two and a half inches to a driver? I mean, that's a different swing, that's a different tempo. It's different everything. So to not have any rounds, competitive rounds under your belt, going into a place like Augusta National and trying to trot that thing out.

I mean, I know all of the practice rounds, but practice rounds is not the same as Tienn it up on Thursday morning with a club that you've never played in competition before. So interested to see what he does. Also, there's just so much talk around him, and he is the betting favorite, but it's like rarely before, maybe Tiger Woods, rarely have we gone into a master's like, it's win or bust for this guy.

You know what I mean? Like, he's in the position now where, like, if he doesn't win a bit, you wouldn't work, you know, but, you know, guys like Jordan Spithu, he just had onset, it's his to lose, basically. That's a tough situation to be in first or nothing. You're still around there. You still got to putt it. And he's a great putter. He's 10th on the PJ tour and putting. But you know what? Everybody has off weeks. He's still got to put everything together. It's not like if he just goes out and striping the driver off the team, he's going to win. He's going to have a damn good chance, but he's still got to put it.

And there's some other dudes right now. Look at the leaderboard this past week. Can't lay, J.T. Rom.R. DJ hasn't gotten to play for the last couple weeks, but he's playing pretty damn good golf. There's a lot of the biggest names in golf where. trending right now headed in it's not like it's just like you know he's not going to have any competition out there i think i think we're getting a little ahead of ourselves in terms of giving this thing to him i think he absolutely could go out there and do something weird but you still got to go do it and there's still a lot of guys that can make birdies up there yep well our guest this week we're not going to get to him quite yet but look for him to be a little dark horse around

augustin national yes i love this guy's game a lot but first we got to open up the mailbag producer mark what do we got this week well we have perhaps i think the biggest fan of the honda classic in america nicholas thomas reached out to sleaze on ig and he He said he's been the last seven years. He wants to know if you think it gets disrespected considering how much players struggle there. I definitely don't disrespect it. I'm guessing since he's been there the last seven years,

he's seen me soup a few around the bear trap. There's no doubt about that. But, I mean, it's one of the, you know, fairest, hardest test on the PGA tour. It's a fantastic golf course. One that I, you know, you look forward to every year, but you're scared at the same time. It's one of those ones that you feel like you played a major at the end of the week.

You're so exhausted. I mean, every single hole just slaps you in the face. It's a great week. Probably the hardest closing stretch in golf, arguably, coming around that bear trap at the end. I mean, there's disaster lurking at every hole. I'll tell you who doesn't disrespect the place. That's me.

I'll tell you what. I do, I hate the place because that's basically where my career died. I've had final stage of Q school there a number of years ago in the 11th hole is making my turn shot, even on the front, made a smooth little seven burger on number 11 hit it in the left rough. It's hard to go for it. Spare you the details, but there's a little chalk outline in the left ruff of my body. I think this is where Sleez's career died.

took a little shot to the face, right to the nose, never recovered. And that place, I just, by the way, I had to go play five more days after that, too. I was like, dude, it's just a death march around that place. So nobody will respect that place more than me. I think it's really, really hard. I had a tough time with it. But, I mean, it is one of the harder venues on the PJ tour. And I would say probably the hardest place to close out a golf tournament, for sure.

Yeah, it's really fun to watch. I enjoy watching it more than playing it. There's no doubt about that. Dude, yeah, I get cold sweats just watching. I'm like, oh, there's the whole. There's that son of a bitch. Well, thank you so much for the question. but Sleez, it's time to get to our special guest this week.

Like I said, a man who could be a dark horse around Augusta National, one of the best iron players on the tour, ranked top 30 in the world, Abe Anser. Yeah, and probably a guy that you'd look at and put on the short list of best players to not have won on the PJ Tour right now. It seems to be hanging around the hoop a lot, and he's had some close calls, but just the way he hits the golf ball, he played really well at the Shriners. His iron play is incredible. If he gets that putter cooperating, I mean, Augusta's second shot golf course.

Wouldn't count this guy out, but really fun to sit down and talk with Abe this week. Yeah, or he might be on my mom. list of guys who I'm surprised is on the PJ tour. You'll find out when you listen to this. All right. Before we get to our guest, Abe Answer, a word from our official sponsor, Rockform Slease. We both use these things. We drive the members nuts.

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are a 25th ranked player in the world, sipping on a little Fletcha Azul, your tequila company, it could get a little bit sloppy in here. But anything that you drink, if it makes me my irons like you, I'm going to drink a gallon of this tonight. That's a good point.

Here's to you, baby. Cheers for that, for sure. By the way, speaking of your iron play, you are with Mira, and you are one of the best iron players on the PJ tour. I was looking at some of your stats earlier. When you finish second at Hilton Head,

you had 90% of your greens for the week. That is assonine to me. That is, that was wild. I mean, those are the smallest screens on the PJ tour, and you had 90%. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know what happened, and I didn't even think about it. I wasn't even until I, they mentioned it on the telecast,

I looked at my size, I was like, man, and I didn't win. Yeah. That's another point, yeah. And like, I play good. And, you know, Sundays, like, you play good. And sometimes you think, oh, that could have been enough. But, like, I thought that was going to be definitely enough because I shot five, five, six under the last day,

play good. There was a lot of pups that definitely could have gone in. But, man, I mean, I don't know what else can you do. Simpson clutched up nicely and made five 30s in the last six and I was like, hats to him. I mean, he played great. I don't know what the record for most number of greens

hit around Harbortown is, but if that's not it, I don't want to know who. I don't care. I'm where you're playing. If you're hitting 90% in 72 holes, that's a joke. That might be the answer right there, but you're obviously one of the best iron players in the world. What's the golf course that you look at and say

on the PJ Hours like, this is the perfect spot for me? Well, it would be somewhere like that. Somewhere that I know you have to be in the fairway and their targets are really small. And I didn't even know they were like the smallest greens on tour, but now that I look back, they are. And you really narrow your focus. And maybe that's what helped me.

Because it's not like I hit 90 or 70% of the greens all the time. There's probably courses that the greens are huge, and I hit maybe 50 of them. I don't know. But that week, it just felt right. You know, I like it off the tea. I like it going to the greens. And the year prior, I didn't even play that good.

I missed the cut. it was the first time that I was there. Different conditions, they're overseeded and stuff. But yeah, you know what? I like courses like that. I feel like that's a good lesson for everybody listening at home, though.

It's like, look, like you said, you can play a place with massive greens and you go out there and you miss a bunch of them. But the small greens, you narrow it in. You're like, okay, middle of the green is going to give me 15, 18 feet to these small greens. So let's just focus on middle of the green just to ignore the pin and see what happens.

I think that's a great lesson for everybody listening at home. That's something that I learned once I got to the PG-2 really quickly. And my coach in college, always tell me that, you know, but in college, you're just, you think you're better than what you really are and you're looking at, you're staring at that pin and you're just, you just got one vision, which is fine. But you get to the PGA tour and you can't really be short-sighted. I mean, it's, it's pretty tough. He gets tough and you learn how, how nice is putting from the middle of the green. And if the target is small, then you're not going to

have a long put. Harbor Town, the 90% of Harbor Town is even more impressive because, like, the fairways are, A, tiny, but B, you can hit the fairway. If you're on the wrong side of the fairway, you might not even have a shot at the green, so it's not like. Like, just your iron play is good. Like, it has to be perfect off the tee. Like, this needs to be left center or left for that to have a shot. Yeah, you can be in the middle of the fairway and have to shape the shot to hit the green, which is something that I think is really cool.

Which would be cool if there's more places like that. Exactly. I might not be sitting behind this microphone. Fewer Beth pages, more harbor towns. Let's get back to the jump, though. Dude, you're born in Texas, grew up in Rhinosa, Mexico. What age, when did you start getting into the game of goal? Since the get-go, man.

My dad took me to the golf course in Ragnosa, Mexico, where I grew up since I was pretty, much in diapers. And then since then I haven't stopped. So it's pretty soon. I grew up there. I got, yeah, like I said, I got pictures and diapers. Barely I could sit up and I already had a golf club in my hands. First tournament, I was like five or six years old. And I grew up playing a little mini junior tour in Mexico. And that's kind of how I got started. And then after that, I wanted to pursue this in the States. I knew I wanted to go to college. So I moved to the States when I was. Is it true? Odessa? Is it? Is it true? Odessa? Is it? only place that offered you a scholarship? Yeah, pretty much. So I didn't do a really good job just

because I didn't really know how he worked, to be honest. I should have done a lot more homework. And I didn't play any AJGA events or anything like that. So really coaches didn't really know about me at all. So I got lucky my already, I was already done with school with high school. And I was like, well, I don't have really any options. So that was really the only one. And coach Travis called me. It's like, hey, you want to come here and give you a full ride play here you play good you can transfer somewhere else like sweet let's do it when you were growing up and just starting like you said you started so early like kids nowadays at six they've got a swing teacher and they got the technology and the video and all that were you growing up doing that same stuff

going to teachers earlier were you more like a home talk guy yeah no i actually i've never had a swing coach ever i still don't so there it is he's 47 of them that's why you ever made it no one could fix me that's why i mean when i growing up there just a local pro there were there were a couple that were there taught me just the most simple stuff the basics how to grip it or swing it and that's it after that i've never never had never had a lesson never had a really coach to this day nothing so you're hitting it bad you're not going on video or anything like that i mean i can i have videos of myself and i like kind of look something different but i know my swing that well now that i that i know what's wrong when i'm like when i'm missing it right or whatever i can manage my miss as well

so that's something that i take a lot of i take a lot of i take a advantage because I don't want to be messing and putting someone in my head is like once you start switching and now a lot of things come into play that you you don't even know because now I know my swing really well and if I'm being able to hit a little drawer and a fade and high or low then I don't really want to mess with it to be honest but unless there's a moment that I'm like I'm stuck and I can't get better I feel like there's a little more that I that I'm just not getting then maybe I will look into that I do have a putting coach which has helped me tremendously but other than that I just kind of do it on my own.

That's refreshing. Yeah. Well, your coach at Odessa said, you know, if you play well, you can go transfer somewhere else. You win the Jack Nicholas Award while at Odessa, and you end up going to OU. You, Coach Ryan Hibble calls you. Did anybody else call you? Were you looking to go anywhere else, or was OU it? Yeah, well, OU was the first big school that approached me and went and visited

and I was kind of pretty blown away right off the bat. I like the coaches as well, too. There were other options on the table, actually quite a bit. I had a, thankfully, I had a really good year that year. Odessa and but yeah it was always kind of where I never really thought about going somewhere else so Ryan and Hebel was awesome to me he gave me an offer I couldn't refuse to so car you say how many wheels did that everything was legal guys Yeah, kidding kidding what was the recruiting ship like though did you go to a football game

I mean Anthony Kim went there he said he went went to a football game no I It was it was not on season but I play I went there I flew it would just happen like that by my own I had no idea like where I was going to. Will Crop, a former team of mine. We played a round together. The golf course was beautiful. It was a great time. Like the fall, it was just awesome.

And I fell in love with the place. I love that the golf course was right there on campus. So I can be done in school. And three minutes later, I'm teeing it up. So that was big for me. The coaches were awesome. Jimmy Austin, is that the course? Jimmy Austin, yeah.

See, that's always confused me with being in Oklahoma. Jimmy Austin and your normal Oklahoma would. They should think if they would read, Name that course. Yeah. Very interesting. I know. Everybody tells you the same thing.

But yeah, Jimmy Austin. Damn it. I thought I was only one would have thought of that. I can't believe I someone else thought of that. You won twice early at OU and you end up staying through your senior year. Any thoughts with like you go to Odessa, you win a bunch of times, whenever award you can win. Go to OU win twice right off the jump. Did you ever think about turning pro early?

Never did, actually. No. I always wanted to have a plan B just in case golf didn't work out. I told my family that I wanted to just get my degree. and my dad and my mom didn't really care about what degree is like just get done something that you enjoy and after that you can just do whatever you want you can turn pro what would have been plan B right now selling to kill that's not that there you go well done he's got a and B knocked out he's one of those guys yeah but you turn pro after oklahoma and kind of a slow start yeah you know eventually end up getting

i met you there yes you did we're going to get to that oh we got a great story we're going to get to that really oh yeah at all cult remembers. Oh, I remember very well. I can't wait to hear it is. We'll get to that at the end. Hopefully it's a good one. It's great. It's great. It makes you look great. It makes me look like an asshole. But we'll get to that. But was it, did it kind of surprise you that you struggled early on when you turned pro with all the success you had in college? No, not really. I I've always been the guy that gets somewhere and doesn't feel like I'm going to go. I'm

going to win. I've always been the guy that I get somewhere and he's like I got to play my best to have a chance to be on the top. So I've never been the guy that was like, oh, this is going to be a breeze. And I think that's what kind of has helped me throughout my career. And I've never been like the superstar or anything on any level.

I've always been kind of there and just getting better, a little bit better. And I think that's, that mentality has been kind of really good for me. I feel like I don't want to change that. I always want to be in that kind of frame of mind. And no, and I actually learned a lot from where I struggled.

I made it to the PGA tour after a season and a half. And then I struggled. I played terrible golf my first year on the PGA tour. And it was pretty brutal mentally. Not making a cut. Not making a cut.

But I did change a lot of things. That's what I was going to ask. So your rookie year, you finish like 190th on the FedEx Cup. You go back. You have a good year on the corn, what's now the Corn Ferry Tour. And you get back.

I think you finished 60th around the FedEx Cup, your next year back. And then now of a sudden you're just, your 25th in the world. Rock the ship. At what point did it all kind of like

click or what change did you make that like just changed your game so that first year i go from mccan ferry to the pj tour i get to the first event and i think it was napa hitting balls i'm like in disson land right and then rory i think that's like the only time rory has played that event he says up next to me i'm like fuck you know yeah and i'm hitting balls and i'm like just thinning it's cold i'm like man this feels terrible And then just, I mean, seeing these five irons are just taking off, you know, and like flying like 215, I'm like, God. Like, I'm like, made me things like that really intimidated me, you know? I just like, man, I don't know if I have what it takes to be out here.

And I was like, man, I need to hit it higher because I mean, normally hit it pretty low. You know, I grew up in the wind and like, man, I need to hit it higher and like kind of farther. So I started tinkering. I started changing shafts and changing stuff. and long story short, everything went downhill bad. Like, I made too many changes. The shafts that I ended up using were terrible for me. My swing even changed.

Like, I looked at a swing when I was, like, hitting it really well. And then I looked at a swing after that, those months of, like, trying new stuff. And he completely changed. That's when a swing coach will be handy. When you change your stuff and you have all their eyes to kind of look at you. But that was actually really good for me because it taught me so many lessons in those months. that I played just terrible golf by doing all those changes. And he made me realize that I didn't have to change anything.

I just had to play my game, get better at what I'm already decent at, you know, and go from there. So I went back to the basics, play all the clubs that I played that got me there in the first place. Didn't change anything. Went back to the Corn Ferry Tour and play great. I didn't win that year, but I played so solid that I think I finished like second on the money list without winning throughout the whole year. That gave me a lot of confidence, got on the PJ tour, and just didn't change anything. I just kept doing the same thing. And I realized I was like, man, I don't have to hit it like anybody else.

Like, you know, like DJ or Rory or, you know. And that gave me a lot of confidence. And from there, I just kept being doing my thing and I haven't really changed anything. Yeah. That second time you got on tour where then you started having success, you started playing great. Do you think that was more of like my game has developed and I'm a better player now for my rookie year? Or was it rookie year just feeling like I don't belong out here. These guys are better.

I got to change everything. I think it was a little bit of both. Like I said, that first year, that was such a rookie move. Everything I did. And it was good because I learned from it. And it was good that he happened, everything, a lot of bad in such a period of time, that I can really learn of that and not do all those mistakes along the line, which I think that helped quite a bit. I feel like that's a common thing.

Like tons of rookies have that. You know what I mean? They get up there and you see Rory for the, you're like, oh, my God, dude. I don't hit it like that. I'm not good. I see DJ. And they all kind of fall into the same trap. Like, I don't belong.

I need to change things when really you probably were good enough with your game that you brought to the tour at that time. Yeah, I mean, you see it all the time. And, I mean, I try to help young kids that come out there. I'm like, listen, there's going to be a lot of opportunities for you out there. Club reps are going to be coming up to you nonstop saying, hit this, hit this, learn how to say no. Yeah.

And look, you're not playing against Rory and Tiger. You're playing against whatever golf course you're on. It's easier said than done. I'll never forget Martin Pillars was a rookie on the PGA tour. And we're at Torrey Pines and Tiger was playing for the first time that year. And I look over and he's on the range and he's filming Tiger hitting balls. And I'm like, hey, bud, you got to beat that guy this week. Probably shouldn't be in all of him right now.

But it's, I mean, it's hard not to be when you, when you watch these guys on TV growing up, I mean, it's crazy out there. Yeah. And it's like in college,

you get, you mean, you can't wait to get a new club, you know? Yeah. And now it's like, I can't wait. I mean,

I just want my clubs not to break, like my five wood or something. Like if that thing breaks, I'll be like heartbroken, you know, because I don't want to change that thing. It's so good. It goes exactly where I want to do.

And it's something that a lot of the rookie guys might not really think about. You know, It's like there's nothing sexier than making the put. You know, a lot of things is like, well, this pot looks amazing. Look how nice it looks. Yeah, but if you don't make anything, that's not even, you know what I mean? Everyone falls into that trap.

It's crazy. No matter what level you're at. You know what I mean? Like, I want the new. Oh, look at this new putter. It's like, and they don't make shit with it. Exactly. What's the point?

But now you're 25th in the world. Has your mindset changed now when you tee it up? They're like, I'm one of the guys to beat. I'm not just trying to belong out here. I'm trying to dominate this thing. Well, obviously you want to be, you want to have that confidence, right? other players and I don't feel like, you know what I mean? Now I know that I play with most of the guys out there and you got to have that confidence, but I'm never the guy that I'm like overconfident,

really at any, any time. I like to feel good about my game. I don't have like that many of the jitters or like, but I still obviously get nervous every single time I tee it up and I feel like I belong, which is probably what it changed, but I don't feel like, you tell me, you feel like the 25th player in the world and I'm like, man, I don't really, I don't. I feel like there's so much. I don't. I feel like There's so much that I can get better at it, which is awesome knowing that I'm there, but I don't really like to think about that. I don't want to get comfortable or anything. I want to keep building on what I'm doing.

Well, you are on a hell of an upright right now, yeah. I mean, you finished second, I think three times now on the PJ tour. You become the first Mexican player to qualify for the Presidents' Cup team. What does that mean to you? Yeah, that was really cool, man. That experience was awesome. I love team events and growing up playing soccer is just not. not only about you, which golf is all about you, right?

So whenever you have the chance to, to feel that emotion with a team, with a captain and all that, man, I can't. I mean, that was, that was awesome. My teamers were great, and to represent Mexico, bring Mexico into something big like that, it's awesome. And you had a great chance to win. I mean, it was tight the whole way. Yeah, yeah, it was pretty, bro.

That Sunday was pretty hardbroken for the whole team. We were really hardbroken. We wanted it bad. The international, I mean, that was the first time I play, obviously, but just of the stories. Everybody says the international team just really didn't have a chance at all in the past, I don't know, quite a bit of cups. So having a chance to win it there, it was kind of cool, obviously. We were pretty hardbroken.

We wanted that bad. Yeah, so much was made of the comments about Tiger. We're not going to get in to make you relive all that because it's all over the internet and stuff. My only question on that is, have you since, like, you cleared it up and kind of said what you were saying to Tiger? Have you guys exchanged words you and Ty ever come up to him and like, hey, man, I get it or whatever? Has there been any conversation? Not at all. I mean, I've seen it a couple of times to the events. We haven't really been in the same, like, room or anything. Kind of nodded or whatever, but no, he doesn't say it really anything else. But he kind of sucked that experience.

Yeah, that was so, like, because it was such a cool experience for me, that all that whole event. And then having said that I, like, you would love to be playing my hero growing up in such an, it's such an awesome event, you know? Like, and then all of that got spun out and I left that. that week and I was like just like gas. I was like man, that sucked. I mean, you went three one and one though. No, I know, I know. But like, exactly.

I should have been really proud. But when I left, I was like, man, I can't believe you like that happened. And you just said what every other player in the world, of course you want to play Tiger was. This is the guy. Remember when you said you weren't going to talk about it? Exactly. It's fine. Well, I mean, we're just clearing it up.

Like you said what every way, we had John Rahman here a while back. He played him in the Ryder Cup in Paris. And he was like, dude, when I found out I was playing Tiger, I couldn't have been more like, this is my idol. You know what I mean? Of course I want to tee it up against that guy. Exactly. I mean, would you rather play Gary Woodland or Tiger?

Of course you want to play. Who wants Gary? There's no upside. Gary. But you've been on an absolute run. You've made back-to-back tour championships. You were scheduled to play your first masters in April. Obviously, COVID ruined that.

How excited are you to get to Augusta National in November? And have you been there yet? I'm pumped. I haven't. Actually, I was going to go there and play my first round. The Monday after the players. I think everyone that was qualified was going the Monday after the players. That place was going to be packed.

There you go. There you go. I was, I was going to go there, the Monday after the players, and then obviously that all that got canceled. But I'm pumped men. That was the only major I didn't qualify last year. And there's nothing. I mean, I'm sure there's nothing like it.

But I'm a huge fan of majors. It feels is a different feel when you walk in there. And I can't wait. I don't know how I was going to look in November. Maybe no. Some pictures the other day looked rather nice. They look nice. I don't know about these alias.

I don't know if they're going to be blooming or not. They'll figure it out. I know. They'll fly them in from wherever the hell they need to fly them in from. I'm pumped. I guess two masters. You know what? Five months?

Five months, yeah. Yeah, that ain't bad. I want to go back to the President's Cup real quick, nothing related to Tiger or whatever. But we've had guys in here from the U.S. Ryder Cup, U.S. Presidents Cup team. We've had European Rider Cup players. We've never had an international Presidents' Cup player in here.

I want to know, I'm really infatuated by like the team room and the dynamic and stuff in there. Take us inside the international team room down in Melbourne. Who are like the, who's the like firecracker guy, the guy that keeps the energy up? Like, what are the roles? everyone plays in there because the U.S. has guys like Phil. Had to been Sung Jay.

Had to been Sung Jay. We got good stories about that guy. Very little English, Sung Jay. But we call them Senmugi, which is Big Korean weapon. Oh, Big Korean weapon. That guy. Love that. Does not miss.

That it's insane. Like, I've never seen anything like it. You just tell him, but he's so aggressive. I'm kind of going away from your question. No, that's all right. He's so aggressive. Like, he always look at spin. He doesn't care.

Like, I'm going at it. this I don't care I'll get it up and down if I don't hit the green and I guess Pepsi it was caddy for him that week changes caddies all the time I guess and they get tired he tells me like hey man please talk to him and just kind of show him like where to hit it because at Melbourne you can't you can't shoot at the pins you have to like work the greens and super firm and I was like walking down and when he was my partner he was like Sanjay right here like that like 133 right there and he was like right there okay right at it like perfect every time it's like okay perfect

So we ended up, we had a great match. We did great. And going back to your question, Louis, Louis is probably the guy that I've never, I didn't really spend that much time before the President's Cup. He was always really nice to me and me to him, but we never really, you know, like, talked a lot.

He surprised me. The guy is so funny. Louis is so funny singing karaoke, that rides back on the bus. We had a, like, microphone. I mean, it was amazing. Nices guys ever. All the Australians are crazy.

Great people. Adam Scott, definitely, definitely kind of like a captain by. Great, great guy that kind of pushes you and motivates you. He gave us a speech that we never really expected. I was just kind of like getting off the boss. And I was like, bro, I am ready. I'm ready to play golf. Like, I was never felt that.

I was like, wow, this is awesome. And all the guys, we had a really good camaraderie. And I feel like the internationals have never really had that before of what they told me. They're always like, you know, different countries, different languages. It's tough to connect, you know. And this is the first year that everybody was like, man, we actually felt like a team, you know. It was really cool. Ernie, I think Ernie did an amazing job of prepping us before the President's Cup.

Actually it happens. Like, hey, guys, you guys don't speak the same language. but figure it out, play some rounds together, something, you know, so we don't get there. And it's like, okay, we've got to be a team, you know? So once, I feel like when we were there, we already felt somewhat as a team, and we kind of clicked, and it was kind of like the different factor that they had before.

That's awesome. I'm looking forward to the president's up from now. Like, I want it to be competitive. Yeah, because you don't want to see that and then be, like, already done by, like, Saturday, you know? Do you think they keep those same captains together for the next President's Cup on the international side? Being that every, like, all the players seemed like they loved it.

Yeah, it was amazing. They already announced Trevor, and then will be the captain. Do you think those other guys? I know, but are they going to be involved, like, that same group? They did so well, and everyone was, they haven't announced. I hope so. I mean, I truly hope so.

I think we had a great captain's great vibes. I think we had a great game plan, but I don't know if they're going to do it. I mean, it is a lot. Being the captain, a lot of people don't realize what actually goes into it. Ernie was super invested. And it does take a lot of time And a lot more than people think, I will say Did you go to Ernie and are like, hey, here's who I want to play with?

Here's the guys I like and this is who I match well with? Or did he just say, here's who you're with? He did everything. We had a group of guys there and just they did everything. We never really, we didn't say like, yeah, I want to play with this guy. He's just kind of, we kind of matched what games match with all their guys, you know, to make the best teams. That's awesome. I imagine that's going to be a goal of yours.

throughout the rest of your career to be on every prize. Once I felt like that Comardi and like how fun it was, I would love to play every single time. That's cool. Would you say, where does that rank in terms of your most memorable week

playing golf of your career? It's definitely, definitely up there, top three. I mean, up there with, I mean, it's not like I've won a lot, but I mean, on the Australian Open win and my Corn Fairy Tour win, I obviously got to be up there,

but it was awesome. That's cool. And the fans in Australia are sweet too. Yeah. I love the golf down there. Call me Aussie Abe. Osie Abe and the big I don't know why I do like Australia man

The golf courses are sick You get you miss a green and you have like Three four options to kind of play a shot And I think sometimes that's kind of what we miss here in the US And in Mexico as well You miss the green you only have one shot You know like if you're in the rough You just got to chop it out

Over there you got like a bunch of options Flop shot or like a low spinner Or like bank it off of that It's so cool I think it's amazing Firm and Wendy. Like Odessa. Those Odessa days coming into play years later. I did help, man.

It was Odessa. Bullets. Honey, I'm from Odessa. Odessa. It's in Odessa. Yeah, exactly. All right. All right, we do this with every guest, Dave. We go to a little emergency nine, nine fun questions. Just get to know you a little better.

Okay. All right, and I'm going to start it off today. We asked this to everyone. There's a movie made about the life of Abe Bancer. Who plays you? You can pick any actor. Oh. Say Kevin Hart.

Kevin Hart. I'm almost there. Look at this. Gary Woodland, don't quite understand how the game works, but we'll get to it. It's all right. Hey, we got the height. We got the height going. All right.

It's fair. I mean, it's your movie. You can have it ever. Gary said Denzel Washington for him, so don't really understand how that works. Who'd you have? I had a young Johnny Depp mostly because of the facial hair and stuff. Oh, wow. That's good.

I can see that. Captain Jack. Yeah. I had a dude and I don't know his name, but he's the star of Narcos, Mexico. Yeah. You watch that? Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's the dude.

Couldn't find his name. I don't know what I was doing, but that's him. Yeah, good research What's the other one? The next question Oh, we got a few more You're right? I'm trying to drag this out

So I can drink a little more This fletcher All right, next question Your big putter collector How many do you have And what's your most prize putter? I don't know where this came from That I'm a huge putter collector

I read it It says it on your PJ's Robito It's definitely true I think that is super old And I don't know if it's updated or not But I do have quite a few putters I do have an Odyssey number five that was made for me in Japan

that all the phase is Damascus metal all the front which is pretty cool and rare this crazy metal You ever putted with it or just Yeah I mean I have it there I rolled it there in my office quite a bit But I don't know I don't want to take it out

Mine is working now so I don't know Yeah I wouldn't change anything right now Yeah all right All right next question I know you're very passionate about race cars If you want to go I heard you might want to do that if it wasn't for tequila. So are you more passionate about race cars or just cars in general or tequila?

Definitely tequila. You have to say that. You have a time on your hat. No, not really. I mean, I enjoy cars a lot. I watch every Formula One race. Got to cheer on my boy, Checo Perez. You don't get a Mexican guy out there.

You got to support it, right? But it's fun. I love all that. I love all the crazy engineering. How much they spend on research and changing. a little bit of the tail of the, you know, it just baffles me how much money they spend on little things that make a huge difference to like gain a point zero or one seconds or stuff like that. So I think it's amazing. You got to have a screw loose to get in those things too and

zip around like they do. Absolutely rockets. Yeah. All right. Next question. Give me the current hierarchy of Mexican athletes. Give me the top three in order. Most beloved athletes in Mexico right now. Most beloved. Ooh, that's a tough question. Uh, I think, This is Jorge Campos, which is my buddy loves golf. He's probably the most famous guy in soccer ever. I mean, he's retired for a long time, but he's still, I go with him somewhere in Mexico. Nobody knows or has any idea of who the hell I am. But anywhere we go, he's like taking pictures with every single guy holding babies.

I was like, dude, what is going on? So Jorge Campos would definitely be up there. Okay. Obviously, Lorena Cho has got to be up there. She absolutely killed it. I played a pro-em with her last year. They broke us up into teams, and I drew her, which I was like, oh, my God, this is incredible. The nicest woman on the planet.

It's amazing. She's awesome. And does a ton for charity. And she retired. I was like, man, she retired at her absolute peak number one in the world and said, see you. When we played, she still had. This was last year, she still had the all 14 clubs from the day she retired. Yeah.

being like G5 driver. Yeah. She's awesome and she's super nice. I've had a good week or something and she'd like to send me a text. Just always cheering me on. She's definitely a role model, man. She kind of open. Yeah, dominated.

You did? Don't lie on this show. I feel like it was alternate. I feel like it was alternate shot. But it's crazy how competitive she still is. Like she would hit a bad shot and she'd get mad. And I was like, yes, I love this. Yeah.

Great. Canelo? Canelo is definitely going to be up there and also Checo Perez. I was going to say I was going to go for. Canelo's absolutely killed it in boxing world. Also getting into golf, he's the golf nut. He played in Tahoe this. Want to bet off Steph Curry?

So he, exactly. He's like, just started. He's absolutely, I played with him in a WC in Mexico. On Monday, we had a little proam there, and we play together.

He just started. And for like, how little he's been playing? Pretty good. I might be wrong about this, but I thought he said he's been playing 10 months, and he shot like 84 that last day at the, no,

yeah. Yeah. Yeah, when I played, he was, he was, he was, he was playing for like,

six months, four, five months. He's just one of those guys. Yeah, and Checo and Formula One. Got you, okay. And then your fifth? Yeah, I wasn't even thinking about me. Always stay ahead of Carlos Ortiz, the princess.

This is your boy. The princess. Yeah. All right. Next question. This one might hit a little close to home here. Does your Caddydale Valley like tequila or fireball better? Ah, fireball.

It's not even a question. He doesn't even like, he doesn't like anything. He doesn't like, he doesn't like the taste of a lot. Alcohol to be a I don't either Except this Hey look But it's some We need a big rock

Yeah but a big globe Yeah But no yeah he definitely So he doesn't really enjoy drinking He's a beauty He's one of my favorite caddies out there I absolutely love him to death He'll do anything for really anybody

Like this guy is amazing He likes to gamble too sleazy you'd like him Oh yeah Okay I'm into him He'll gamble A fireball drinker likes to gamble All right I think he

Sign me up I think over the Over the break he was gambling on weather Because there's no sport I love that. Perfect. I think he was back under the temperature. What are the odds that it's going to rain in Vegas or whatever?

He'll put a bed in or something. That's crazy. I love this, man. Never met him, but I feel like I know him. He's fantastic. You will absolutely love him. All right, I love him. All right, next question.

This one's a little self-serving, but it kind of ties into Colts''s final question. Did you know you were destined for greatness when you beat me at second stage at Q school in 2014? Did you know I was in the field? I had no idea. Was I on the radar? He thought y'all just met today. Yeah, we did. I had no idea.

Where about in Houston? Yeah. Yeah, when it was freezing. Oh, my God. I remember that day. It's like winter times 100. That was absolutely, what was it, deer on? Deerwood.

Deerwood. Deerwood. That's where they filmed tin cup. Yes, exactly. And that whole is impossible. I'll get it every day. I just play it as a par five. It was, no, I had, actually, I had no idea.

And I was just, I was just trying to stay alive that week. It was freaking cold. It was like the movie alive, but with golf clubs. That sounds sweet. It was brutal. It was brutal. It was like. 33 blowing and raining legit the worst weather you could have yeah we made it and then we went separate

we were at one time we were on the same level then we things change moxed diverted after that i mean that weather and you're actually playing for your future yeah it's not fun suck all right number seven sorry guys i need go get you refill but do it as you're listening to this okay yeah we're just we're just gonna we're gonna fast forward to your first pGA tour win okay fast forward okay you're gonna you're gonna You're going to get this win and you're going to reward yourself with any car you want. What is A Banser buying? Any car? I think I will go old.

I think I'll go with like a 1975 turbo Porsche. All right. How many cars you got home right now? Two. Two? What are they? A Raptor and. Got out of a truck in Texas.

Well, I mean, I go to the ranch all the time. So, I mean, if you see it, nobody wants to buy it from it. It's all scratch. But, I mean, I used it like it should be for a ranch. You know? And what's the other one? And Porsche, yeah. Got to go past.

You got to have one of each. That's it. Make sure it matches your outfit. All right, next question. I think you have one of the most well-kept beards on the PGA tour. Yeah, thank you. I want to know. Give me the maintenance.

I was going to say something about Colts, but I think yours is, I really like what you do with this beard. So I need to know the maintenance on this thing. What's the trimming schedule like? Is there any sort of sheen or product in there? Because it always looks perfect on TV. I don't really, I don't do much. I got this little machine called Peanut. Peanut?

Yeah. Okay. You got one of those? Peanut by, I don't know. Got a peanut. It's a ball maybe. I'm getting some shoutouts here by wall. I think it is.

And yeah, I just trim it with the level one guard. Yeah. And then take that off and just do the edging over here and that's it. Yeah, the edges are always super tight. I love it. It looks like it's like a painting. Yeah, I don't really do anything special. I just do that.

Probably, I don't know, every, maybe once a week. Damn. That's it. That's a gift. Every day. That's a gift. What are you daily? Once a week?

Just on this. And then, like, once a week, I'd do it two guard around there. Just tighten it up a little each day and then once a week trim? Yeah, yeah. All right. I can't grow up here, but when I do, I'll tell you guys. Maybe one day. Puberty.

All right, last question. This is a big one. This is really tough for me to swallow. I'll be honest, okay? Okay. Not sure if you ever heard this or not, but we played together in Q school. Final stage in Palm Springs. A lot of people asked me what I thought of your game.

And I pride myself on this because I'm normally right. Okay. If guys destined for greatness, I normally predict it. I said, you know what? I don't think he has it. I only he's going to make it. Who did you tell that? A lot of people ask me this, I'll be honest.

If you said it on radio a million times, it's like, this is my one whiff in the golf world. I play with the game. Do you think this will go down as one of the worst predictions in sports history? It already is. Well, I mean, there's not really much to debate. Yeah. Yeah, you've killed it.

I was wrong. I'm admitting to you that I was wrong. That's hard for me. Well, I don't know what he meant, what you meant to like he doesn't have it. Like, he doesn't have it to win. I just didn't make it to the top level. and be like a top player in the world or anything like that.

Why did you think I was able to stay on the PGA tour or no? Or you even say he's not going to last on the PGA tour. I think I think the simple question was, I think the simple question was, is he going to make it, which means make it to the PGA tour? And I said, I don't think so. What a hater, dude.

That's awesome. No, I love being proven wrong. I mean, that's the first time. You think this hurts his chances of being CBS broadcaster with the movie? People are listening. The suits. The suits are listening right now. This kid's shit.

He can't even identify talent. There's so many guys that up there that would be wrong. It's so hard to, like, predict something like that. And there's so many guys that I played in college that you're like, wow, this guy's going to be a stud. And then you don't even know where they are. Dude, I mean, there's so many of those guys. We'll be sitting around, and every time they show you on TV on the last group, I'm like,

God, did I whiff on this one so mad? I'm happy I did, because you're awesome. Yes, you are. You proved him wrong, brother. Hey, thank you so much for joining us, Matt. Congratulations on your golf, Fletcha Azul. And thanks for bringing us somebody. Thanks for the samples, my brother.

Here's to you. Thanks for doing. Cheers. Thanks so much, guys. It was fun. Awesome. Appreciate it. All right. Well, that was Abe answer.

But before we talk about Abe, before the show, we actually sat down with him and his partner, Aaron Marquez, of Fletcha Azul. They were able to loosen us up a little bit with some of their tequila. It was fantastic. But if you want to learn more about Fletcha Azul, here's Aaron and Abe. Welcome to a special tequila talk. God, I'm not even drinking yet. Let me start that over.

Let me start that over. Welcome to a special tequila talk here on golf subpar. joined by Abe Anser, the 25th ranked player in the world. His business partner, Mr. Aaron Marquez, they are the co-founders of their tequila company, Fletcha Azul, which boys, I believe, roughly translates to the blue Fletcha. Correct? Blue arrow. Oh, okay.

Close. Got it. Terrible. Wiff on the joke. Blue Fletcher. I knew it was blue Fletcher. Well, tell us about it, man. We got a couple samples here.

I want to hear the whole origin of this, how you guys started doing this, when it started, everything. You want me to start? Sure. Well, this thing actually started the whole project in a pro-am on the PJ tour. Four years ago, if I'm not mistaken, in Fort Worth, Colonial. Obviously, you go there on Wednesday, you get paired with just random amateurs. Happened to be airing his, probably two or three of his CEOs.

He was entertaining for his oil company, and we hit it off right off the bat. First hole, we were already talking about tequila. We both already had. we just love tequila before even before the project obviously and we're talking about all that and we just hit it off right away and then after that at WGC Mexico he kept asking people kept asking he was like so what tequila do you bring and then we resonated and we thought about like it'll be so cool to have our own our own tequila brand and then after that he was non-stop working on you know doing all the research and stuff and I mean since then we we didn't stop

to bring the best tequila that we can bring to market. So it's been a lot of fun. We're really proud of what we came out with, all the way from the design of the bottle, the logo, the actual juice. We're really proud to say that we don't cut any corners. The juice is as good as you're going to get from the third oldest family in Mexico to ever make tequila, but it's still Mexican-owned. A lot of companies now, they're owned by American companies and stuff,

but this, where we make it and everything, is all how it's supposed to be, which is awesome, I think. That's awesome. Where did the name come from? So this is a cool story. We went back and forth. Like I said, everything has its own little story, but we're back and forth about names.

What should we name it? And we want to do something that kind of resonates with us of our lives. We're both Mexican. And it's not that we had everything handed us. You know, we had to work hard. We come from humble beginnings, and we really like the word of Fletcha. You know you have to really pull it back, pull it back, pull it back, to be shot forward. And we kind of really kind of thought he sounded cool, too, you know, the word Fletch is easy to say, both English and Spanish.

And he just, and Azul comes from obviously for the agave from the plant. And that's why we picked that. When we initially started talking about the concept of having a tequila, we wanted to do. what we wanted to do is be able to introduce something that was, you know, authentic in the bottle, but also keep in mind that our market was American. You know, both of us grew up in the U.S., but we're Mexican, so we wanted to make sure that the juice was as original as possible, that it was not sweet and it was not colored. But we kept in mind like the bottle design, the name, the logo, but we wanted to be mindful that.

We wanted to introduce something different, not just something that's simple. similar to everything else. And each taste profile that we have, it's good, it's fresh. We have a lot of friends that drink scotch, that drink whiskey, that drink vodka, and we have a profile for each person that drinks that. So one of the things that we,

when we first started talking about it, because sometimes you're drinking and you're talking and it's just small talk, right? But being able to commercialize something and bring things something to life, that's a whole different story. one of the things that we agreed upon was, hey, if we can't introduce something good, you know, or something different, something better, let's don't do it.

So the name came far after that when we made several trips to Tequila Halisco. You're talking about doing tastings to try to come up with the good profile? We're over there on a Monday and it's like 9.30 and I'm already spinning. I'm like, man, it's going to be a good day. You know, but we did a lot of tastings trying to get the profile correct, trying to get everything, fresh and we're really very proud of it. We're so proud to you know we being from Texas, being a race in Texas, we commercialized in Texas primarily and now we've had the opportunity now to be nationwide within the next couple months. So it's been a, it's been a blessing. The customers

have really enjoyed it. That's a pretty unbelievable story. Just met up randomly in a program having never before. I say this all the time. Bam. Yeah. We talk about this all the time. I mean, it's like you never know who you're going to get paired with on a Wednesday. in a pro-am like be nice to everyone like talk to everyone because you never know what can happen and look at this a business relationship starts out of it but i gotta say this is the longest i've ever sat in front of a bottle of tequila without having a drink so we might as well we got what's so this one is a cristolino uh we got five profiles this is uh this is limited edition by the way so if you go in the back it's all this number this is 787 out of 3 000 so it's need

3,000 out of this. Wow. And this is an aniejo that was filtered three times and that's why the color is gone and is made crystallino. But it's already aged 18 months. Wow. So let's have. You got five different.

Five different ones. Yeah. Different types, right? You guys know more about it than anybody. What are y'all's two favorite? Only heavy pores. Okay. So the last thing we need is a reason to get drunk on this podcast.

We normally do it without even, you know, having anything in front of us. So this will be, this will be interesting. But which ones are y'all's favorites? Well, the Blanco is the base of all the tequila. So one of the things that's different with ours is we've used mature agave for everything. And before we cook it, we actually cut the pinia in half and we take the middle part, which is called the cohojo. And we take that out before we put it in the oven.

And what that does, that eliminates the acidic taste of the tequila. So a lot of people, when think of tequila, they think of something that you pinch your nose or, you know, suck a lime or whatever. And that's exactly what we wanted to keep away from. So we take additional process to create something that's pure, something that has a great taste. And so people ask me, which was your favorite tequila? And I remember when people ask my mom, like, what's your favorite son? You can never say no. The one that I drink the most of is a reposado.

My favorite tequila is the extra inuejo. But the reposado, I drink it, you know, every day, unfortunately. Slaise isn't very good at sipping, so I don't think the extra in-huehahel. guys, I got a little reputation, maybe getting a little too loose during these things. So thank you. Cheers. Cheers. Thank you so much for having, coming on the show.

Yes, sir. Can't wait to try this. All right. Sold. Abe, I read somewhere that you said this is what you like so much about tequila and specifically yours is like, I can drink this at night, have a good time, whatever, wake up 7 a.m. I'm on the range hitting balls. Like the hangover is not like everything else. I mean, it's not like I'm a huge partier.

I'd like to say that I'm pretty responsible. And, but yeah, six or seven years ago, I started drinking tequila and I had the same kind of idea. Like, who's going to be rough tomorrow, you know. But I say I got a buddy of mine. I grew up hanging out with really older people than me. Way older than me. I don't know. I don't know why.

But it's kind of worked out. And I'll go a little bit back. In the north part of Mexico where I grew up, for some reason, the thing to drink is obviously tequila, but also very common is just whiskey. and scotch. I don't know why. Topo chico and I don't know, whiskey or scotch or whatever.

I don't know why it was really coming or why that started, but that's kind of why I started drinking. And then, but I'll wake up and I'll just feel terrible and I just kind of like put me down. I didn't really, it wasn't like a good bus.

Like I just, I don't know how to explain it. I just didn't. I enjoyed the taste, but I didn't really get into it. My buddy was like, you got to get on this tequila. Like just high-end tequila. Swip on that all night.

Don't mix it with anything. And let me know how you. you feel the next day. So one day we went and we sat at my house and we just drank a whole bottle of tequila, premium tequila, just me and I'm talking. We got a great time. We finished the bottle. I was like, bro, I mean, I'm going to feel terrible tomorrow. There's no way I'm going to be and I had to, I had to play because I already had a little game going on like, I don't know, nine in the morning or something. And I woke up and I was like kind of like you wake up, just see like, how do you feel? And actually, I was completely fun. I was like, wow. So I,

After that, I played, I ended up playing good. After that, that's all I drink. And I haven't really, and if I'm going to drink, I'm just going to drink the same thing. I'm not going to mix anything. I'm not going to take shots. I'm just going to be sipping on this all night. And I can, for my size, I can hang with anybody, really. Once you start mixing, that's where you get in trouble.

Yeah, so you just drink this all straight. Yeah. Mixing is for rookies. Yeah. I mean, if you, like, if it's summer and you're out there at the beach or whatever, you can grab the blanco, out a little club soda, lime, make like, orange water or something like that or if you don't want to you want to make like a margarita there's ways you can do like skinny margaritas when you add that much sugar and it doesn't really get to you that

bad you know for the next day so that's just kind of what i like to do what's what's y'all's goal with the fletches are like what do you what do you want to do with this well our plans to you know over the next few months to go nationwide but we've had a lot of opportunities and it's amazing how the game of golf i mean opens up so many different opportunities but we've had opportunities to already go to Asia, to go to the UK. But our folks are going to be primarily in the United States, and then in the next few years, look at other options. But, you know, really do feel that we have a great product.

You know, Abraham and I were playing at Dallas National, and the CEO, the largest distributor in the U.S. approached us because he saw Abe wearing the hat. And he said, who carries your product? And we were only in Texas, and that opened up the opportunities. again through the game of golf. And so our plans to be able to grow and we really feel we have a good product that, you know, and tequila being the fastest growing liquor in the world helps.

You know, people are now more than ever looking worried about health, and worried about, you know, being able to drink and be active in the morning or go to work or, you know, go to the golf course or whatever your profession may be. And so hopefully we're able to get the opportunity to introduce us all. lower the world. And Abe, I feel like, you know, you wear the hat. I feel like a lot of people already know about Fletcher's who watch golf because they see you and they see it on the hat. And that's a huge marketing thing for you guys. Any, any ambitions to add another like PGA tour player to the mix and like potentially put it on their hat or bag or anything like that.

Podcast people. Maybe some podcast guys can really move the needle. Free drinks for you guys going forward. We'll keep you guys stocked up over here. I love that. But there's definitely a lot of things that would probably be on the works. I don't know about in the world of golf, but maybe we'll venture out some other stuff that I think, I don't think we don't want to, we don't want to jump ahead and say anything that is not solid. So, but yeah, there's a lot of stuff on the works that it'd be really excited about. Beautiful CBD. What's been amazing is we've had a lot of people that reached out to us, you know, actors and other athletes, other golfers. Just being great that people had taste the product and they reach out, especially when it's something new, you know,

it's a, it's a new product. And, and us, we launched it during, during COVID. So, It made things difficult to really introduce that product when people you can do tastings you can do You we had a party scheduled at the WGC When we're gonna introduce a brand and that had to get canceled So despite of all that it's been a it's been a great introduction to great reception to our brand Yeah, congratulations. It's it's fantastic. I love it Thank you thank you so much. Well we'll be drinking it and we'll be getting a little bit sloppy But for everyone listening out there that they want to get some Fletches or how they get it right now

So right now we're only in Texas. If they visit Fletcha Azul.com, there's a location at a place where they can type in your address. And it kind of shows you to the next closest location to you. But I said that's going to change over the next few months. We should be all over the United States, which is incredible. Awesome. That's awesome. Congratulations.

Well, we'll be drinking it. We'll be pushing it. And thank you guys for coming here and sharing it. Absolutely. Thanks, buddy. Delicious. All right. All right.

That good? You like that? Any other things you missed? This is great. didn't hit on. Very. So the movie. I say this before.

Just like you said, tequila, I think of college, I had some bad run. With probably some low- rent tequila. It's ruined it for me for a while. So now I'll like sip it or I'll have a,

maybe it's a fresco in it. Like a little stress good of softening it. Like this is like pretty, maybe I've just been drinking the wrong because I don't drink it like Colt drinks tequila like all the time. Yeah. If I have anything, it's tequila splash of fresh.

The same thing you said. I switched two years ago, I guess. I used to be Tito's and soda guy. Now I'm tequila. and I used to wake up in the morning and flinch at impact trying to get golf balls and tequila I wake up and I'm like yeah let's go well it's like the only upper right every other booze is like a downer this is a like a upper or whatever though I don't know with the bus it's nice yeah I mean it's just

it's a good like yeah I suppose like whiskey I don't drink whiskey really like I never get it's become like sloppy with that I know I've never get a dressy like aggressive or anything yeah but I did get like just kind of like down or tire or whatever this I'm always just know like happy and upbeat and it's been great please I'm a And I have to say, I very much enjoyed Fletcher as well. Yeah, I had to watch myself after the speech, the last 15 minutes of the speed interview. I was like, look, you're setting me up for failure, guys. You can't come in here and promote an alcohol after I just had a little bit of an issue a few episodes ago.

But man, sipping that. I really want to make the transition to tequila. I know you drink it all the time. It's the only upper. It's the only thing if you don't put it with any mixers, that's what gives you the bad hangovers and things like that. But I got to say sitting there sipping that with Abe, that's pretty cool. And how about him, how about the way those two met? Like you played a bunch of proams.

I've played a bunch of pro-hams on the Jix, but never once did I get paired up with a guy in the first deal. It was like, oh, you want to maybe start a tequila company and launch it worldwide here in a few years? I was getting like, I was getting like plumbers and janitors and stuff. I never had guys that were going to set me up with a tequila company. The difference in the Jicks of the PGA tour. But I always said that. You never know who you're going to meet in these things. So be very nice to your foresum because you never know things like this could happen.

They've made an unbelievable product, Fletjezul, the Cristolino, which is what we were sipping on. I thought was awesome. I loved it. Definitely go check that out. but let's go back to Abe answer. I mean, first off, I was so embarrassed to ask that last question. I felt, I want to tip my cap to you on that because I take a lot of crap. We did the speech text, you know, or add a little missap.

We had the Romo wine spilling. I'm like, God, people are just going to think I'm just complete degenerate out here. They're getting to know you. They're getting to know me a little bit better. It's fairly accurate. But I was going to, if you didn't ask it, I was going to ask it for you and be like, Hey, Abe. See, that's something I could have just kept to myself.

Right. You know what? I was wrong. You know, I'll admit when I'm wrong. I'll be a man, but normally I'm really good at judging talent, I feel like it. I'm like, oh, you know, what, this guy's got a game that can do it? That guy I didn't think he did. And now look at him, he's top 30 in the world.

He should have several wins on the PJ tour. He's going to get one soon. There's no doubt about that. But man, what a fun guy just sit down and talk with him. Great guy, and I got to give props to him the way he's pushing Fletcher, the way he's balancing a PGA career and also trying to push out this tequila company. And they're doing a great job with it. I know everybody sees the hat, you know, when he's playing out there.

If you didn't know what it was, now you know what it is. and his stuff is really, really good. But cool to get a little perspective on him because he's a guy that's quick. He's one of those guys that keeps getting better every year. Every year he's just gradually getting better, gradually getting better. Top 30 in the world right now. I mean, this guy's popping up everywhere, and I think he's got big things ahead of him. He'll definitely peel off a win here and not too long.

You look just a few years ago. His rookie year on tour, he finished around 190th on the FedEx Cup. I mean, it looked like this guy wasn't made for the PJ Tour. Now he's top 30 in the world. He's the first player for Mexico to be on the President's Cup team, and I believe he's going to get himself a win soon. So I really thank him for sitting down with us. it was it was a pleasure yeah absolutely and we got another big uh we got some other big guests

coming up here soon should we release our our second on the road trip for golf subparr you want to tell them what we're letting us out of our cage once again we're heading down to west palm beach florida we've got a nice trifecta of interviews coming up you might have heard of a couple of them the young sensation matthew wolf a guy that kind of dress is kind of fancy which i know you like rickie fowler and my man the number three ranked player in the world justin thomas Yeah, just a little cruise down to South Florida. Jupiter, see all the boys are living. I see all these hashtag juplife, you know, on Twitter and social media and all that stuff.

I want to see how they're living down there. But massive trip coming up soon. We're getting back on the road, getting the band back together, and some monsters coming up. Looking forward to it. Well, stay tuned for that. But next week's Lease, we got Biz Nasty in the house. Paul Bissonette, former hockey player, one of the co-host on Spitting Chicklets. Spitting Chichlets, the monster hockey podcast.

It's fun getting these hockey dudes in here. We've had Ronick in here before. These dudes open up in a way that not a lot of dudes open up. before he's definitely not afraid to tell some stories speaking of embarrassing yourself like you and i have done here on our last few pods this man ain't afraid to tell some stories either dude no he's great might not be suitable for all ages but it's really really entertaining i hope y'all enjoy it but that's going to do it for us this week we'll talk to you on next week's golf subpar