Subpar - Adam Long Interview: From going to Duke to stealing Colt's Caddie

Episode Date: January 12, 2021

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, PGA Tour Winner Adam Long joins former PGA Tour pro Colt Knost and his close friend and on course rival Drew Stoltz for an exclusive, in-studio, interview. The Duke alum talks his methods for getting tickets to games in college, meeting the sleezeyman for the first time, and what it's like being mistaken for a fan.

Hello, world. Welcome to another week of golf subpar, Colt Nost and Drew Stoltz. Slees, golf is back and Harris English is the champion of the century tournament of champions. Yes, starting off with a little playoff there, a little shootout with Joaquin Neiman, man. And you and I talked about this a little bit, but I feel like we're finally starting to get the Harris English that we all expected with him coming out of, you know, the University of Georgia and amateur golf. He was the guy that, at least in my opinion, I had this guy pegged as like the next thing. I remember when he signed with Ping, telling all the guys that Ping, I think this is a major champion that you guys just signed. I'm really high on this guy.

And then after a few years of struggles, last year he was absolutely rock solid. And then finally getting the dove. I felt like this one was well deserved and been a long time coming. Yeah, he's playing some great golf and very, very consistent, doing some great work with Justin Parsons. But like I said, no surprise by the victory. I think the sky is the limit for this kid. Look for him to start popping up on a lot more major championship leaderboards.

finished fourth at Wingfoot. I'm already telling you right now, I'm going out on Olim. He's going to be your U.S. Open champion around Torrey Pines. I'm so excited for what Harris English is, what his future looks like. He's only 31 years old. He's still got a lot of time left in his career, a lot of great golf ahead of him. So couldn't be happier for Harris. This kid is a superstar in the making. Yeah, and I don't want to jump the gun or go recency bias or anything like that, but I think he's on the U.S. Fryder Cup team at the end of the year this year as well. I think he just moved into the top 20 in the world golf rankings after that win, but I think this continues.

And he may not even have to be a pick, Colt, if he does what you're expecting him to do, he might not even have to be a pick. He might just play his way on. But regardless, I think he's a pick one way or the other and he's on that team. I agree totally. He's going to earn his way on to that team. He's currently 17th in the world. And big things are coming for Harris English, Sleys.

But he wasn't the only big thing to happen in golf this week, Sleys. Let's go ahead and get right into it. Let us go ahead and fluff yourself a little bit. A little pro scratch here in Scottsdale this past weekend, the Twin Fin, Johnny O. Twin Finn, pro scratch out of Greyhawk Golf Club, and tell us all about it. You're the champ. The only fluffing will be going to my partner. But, Colt, just you know this tournament.

You've won this tournament as well to break down the format. Johnny O Twin Finn, two-day pro scratch out at Greyhawk, the Raptor course where they used to play the fries open out there. One pro, one AM. The first day is a scramble form. format and the second day goes to a best ball. So typically the scores in the scramble or, you know, the pro can kind of carry the load. And then the best ball is the day where the rubber meets the road and you got to have two guys showing up. So we shot minus 11 the first day,

which is kind of typically right around the lead somewhere, just typically 12 or 13. This year, it was 12 under. There were three teams at 12 under. Paul Casey was up there in the lead. I think we were tied with Adam Hadwin's team, Joel Damon and Mark Mulder. That was a really good team. They were up there as well, but it was kind of jammed up at 12, 11, and then some tens, right? So going into the day, we thought, Dre and I thought, my partner, Andreas Gonzalez, we thought like, we typically it's 2021, somewhere in that range wins the golf tournament. So we're like, all right, well, we need nine or 10 under today, which is a good round in best ball.

We got to go. And we're playing Colt, the final round. We play with our boy, Taylor Montgomery, the son of Monty Montgomery, the GM out of Shadow Creek, who you know very well, and I've played a lot of golf with. I had not played golf them up until this point. We start off the round, Colt, and this kid, he pars one, he parsed two. And from that point on, I've never seen anything like it. He proceeds to Bertie like eight of the next nine or ten holes on his own.

He was eight under par through 11 on his own ball. And of one of the three holes that he pared, his partner sprinkled into birdie. So they were nine under through 11. Dre and I were five or six. We were six. So we're three back, we thought. I was like, oh, my God. I don't care.

We're not playing that back. but this kid's birding every single freaking hole. So at that point, Cray and I made a conscious decision to start talking to Taylor Montgomery about how well he was playing, try to throw a little jinx on him. Dude, you're eight under on your own ball.

You got a breechable par five. You'll definitely burdie that. You get a birdie the dribble hole. You can shoot 59, dude. This is going to be the best thing of all. Have you ever shot 59? You know, all the bullshit that you do when someone's playing good.

And we both made a few pars there on the next few holes. But it all came down, ultimately, I'll fast forward to the end. 18th hole, we walk up. Dre and I believe that we are two shots behind Taylor and his partner at the time. And it's a par five, five hundred and ten yards and with a little lake on the right and we're like, well, we need Eagle to even have a chance. You know, we got to hope that we make Eagle and that they somehow mess up and make par.

Winds down about 20 miles an hour. There's a bunker on the left side. Probably what, what would you say, cold? 310 something in the air to cover that. I mean, I've never even thought about covering it. So, Dre's like, I'm going to go over that bunker. I was like, yeah, hit it as hard as you can. We got to have a three.

he hits it over the bunker absolutely bombs it lands on the down slope scoots even further i hit it down the fairway we get up there dray is a mile up i got a nine iron end to this par five because it's so far down wind i hit it to the back of the green but taylor montgomery hit it in the top lip of that bunker he hit a three wood because he was scared he was going to drive it in the water he can't go for the green and two and there's no way to hit your third shot close from where he was so i was like all right well now his partner's got to show up he could hit this in the water he can make boat or he can make par anything could happen. His partner proceeds to hit it right in the middle of the green to about 30 feet for Eagle. Uh, so we drive up to Dre's ball. I'm like, got to hoop it, dude. Looks like you got to make

this thing. He's like, all right. It's 140 gap wedge. I'm just going to aim a little bit left, hope it bounces right. I was like, do it, dude, be a legend. He gets up there, hits this thing, carries the bunker, lands in the rough. And instead of kicking forward and right, it kicks straight right. And it's trickling. It's going slow, too. It's going right at the hole. And I'm staring at it. I'm like, dude, this is going to be really good. All of a sudden, it's rolling, rolling, rolling, bam, vanishes. And we can't really tell from behind.

Maybe it just went right behind the flag or something, but everybody on the green and behind the green start throwing their hands up going crazy. Me and Dre start going ape shit running around the fairway, you know, chest bumping, all the stuff. We get up there and I tell Dre, I'm like, dude, if this guy doesn't make this, we're going to get a playoff. You're going to make a double eagle to get to a playoff.

Taylor's partner hits this eagle put, lips out on the high side. It looked good the entire time. It was about three inches behind the cup. He taps in for Bertie. We give them high fives. Great playing guys. You know, see you in a playoff. We're walking back to the cart. We're going to get a playoff. And we get in. People are coming up and congratulating us. And we find out that the Taylor's team has started the day one behind us. So we actually beat them by a shot. And at that point, like something crazy would have had to happen on the way in for anyone to catch us. And so ultimately, Andres Gonzalez makes a walk off double eagle to win the golf tournament by one, which, Colt, you know a lot more golf history and I do.

I can't remember that happening on any level in any event, amateur pro, anything, a walk-off double eagle. Yeah, that's what an incredible. Dude, it was nuts. Yeah, I was getting text from you and Taylor Montgomery just saying, you wouldn't believe what just happened. I can't believe it. It's an incredible finish. What a way to win. Congratulations on such a great victory. I'm very sad. I wasn't there to try to dethrone you guys. Me and my partner, Jim Strickland. As you know Sleaze, I've been battling the coronavirus for the past 10 days. Today is my first free day.

I cannot wait to get out and get amongst it. It has been absolute hell being inside for 10 straight days, you know, not being around any people at all. I'm starting to talk to the walls a little bit. It's getting a little weird around here. But I'm very happy for you and Andres. And I can't wait to get out there and try to slap you all around next year. Yep. You will absolutely have that opportunity.

Good news is that Dre, he's out Monday qualifying for Hawaii right now, whether he gets in or not. He's going to be back in Scottsdale either next week or the week after. So we will get him in studio. We will do a show with him. One of the best dudes, like you know, I mean, there's not a person out there that doesn't love, Andreas Gonzalez.

And it was awesome that he hit that shot. It will literally go down as the coolest golf shot I've ever seen. I know it ain't a major or Masters or PJ, but I mean, a walk-off double eagle. There's his first double-eagle he made in his life. I mean, the star is just the line. energy was all correct. That is crazy. I'm sure it was an amazing celebration Saturday night. Yeah, we, we had a little session. We fully got amongst it as some of the pictures show,

but you had the COVID. What the hell have you been doing? I mean, you've had 10 days not really leaving your house. What's a fellow, are you betting on like cricket games in India and European soccer? How do you fill that time? Thank God this past weekend. There was, you know, six NFL playoff games. We had the century tournament of champions going on. So I was glued to the TV all day, Saturday and Sunday. But I'll tell you, during the week, it's been rough. I've been binge watching some series, watched an incredible one on HBO called The Undoing,

which I highly recommend. And then a new one that is now six episodes into the season called Your Honor, starring Brian Cranston, which I highly recommend. It's on Showtime. Those two were both awesome. I was glued to the TV. Couldn't stop watching.

So yeah, just a lot of TV, a lot of hanging out, a lot of stretching. That's how I kind of just waste my day. Stretch about four or five times a day for about 20 minutes. So I'm feeling very flexible. I lost all taste. So I've been eating the healthiest I've ever eaten my life. There you go.

Grill chicken, salad, no dressing, really. I mean, you can't taste it. You might as well just put nothing on it. Smeag white's in the morning. Down about eight pounds in the, I think, in nine days, which is. Damn. Yeah. A couple more weeks of this shit.

You're going to need a new wardrobe, bro. No, thank God. Hopefully we can get someone out there to send us some clothes because I don't like buying clothes. That's the good news about losing your taste is if an Oreo tastes the same as a carrot, shit, might as well eat a carrot, you know. My mind tricks me. I can always taste the things that are good, I think. Right.

Well, yeah, you know, you could use that memory, you know. But I feel like quarantine is one of those things where for two days, I'd be like, this is the best thing of all. All I got to do is lay here and watch Netflix. Like, okay, Simon. And then after about two, I'd start going crazy. It sucks. But that also explains the reason why we did our show this week with our special guest coming up next, Adam Long, from Zoom, because I'm not allowed to go into the studio right now,

as well as our next guest, who we'll get to later on. We'll preview our next guest, but we're going to do a couple of interviews through the Zoom, just to be safe. Don't want to get anybody sick out there. But our guest this week's, Adam Long, you know, not the most well-known guy out on the PJ tour, but a guy that's a good friend of us to us. I've been playing some great golf lately. Really is starting to make a name for himself on the PGA tour.

And he's got one of the driest sense of humors on the planet, a guy that I just love to mess with. I love talking to. He was an absolute blast to sit down with. Yeah, he's a fun, dude, man. Really fun, really sharp guy. And it's cool for me to see because, like, obviously I spent most of my time on the jikis, the Canadian tour,

you know, some web.com and cornfairy. This guy did the exact same thing. We played so many events together, so many rounds together, traveled together, did all that. And to see a guy like that actually be one of the guys that makes it and not just makes it like, hey, he got a tour card and then lost it, but makes it gets on the BJ tour wins. And now turning into a guy that, I mean, last year was 31st on the FedEx Cup, almost made it to East Lake. It's cool for me to see those guys that kind of went through the grind and, and, you know, kind of had to eat some shit a little bit before they got to eat caviar out there like he's doing right now. and he's turned into a hell of a player and is having another great start to this year as well. Yep, up to 62 in the world, and I can just see him continue to climb that world ranking list.

He's a great player, very few weaknesses, and I'm excited to see what he can do. But here's Adam Long on Golf Subpar. All right, our guest today is a very good friend of the show. He is a PGA tour winner, finished 31st on the FedEx Cup in 2020. He is the Phil Mickelson Slayer. Adam Long, welcome to the program. Wow, this is an honor. I can't believe this thing has made it to 2021.

I owe a lot of people money, but happy to be here. Yeah, I mean, I guess everybody else was busy, but you know what? We're happy to have you. And, you know, like I said, it's an honor to have Adam Long. You're always one of my favorite guys to hang out with out there on the PGA tour. I mean, I know Whisper Rock has a lot of members, but I didn't realize he went through them that quickly. So it flew by. But we're on like episode 51.

I mean, you'd be surprised, buddy. I was going to introduce you. I introduced you as the Phil Mickelson Slayer. I was going to introduce you as the man with the smallest head on the PJ tour, but I thought the Phil thing sounded better. But you just have to throw it in there. Yeah, what I think, you know, I think it's I take it as a point of pride, honestly. I mean, there's not too many things on tour that guys can say, like,

I'm the only one or I am the best or I have the only, you know, and that's something that I just, I cherish. Before we get going on all the good stuff, what is your hat size, right? If you wore a fitted hat, what size do you get? I don't know. I mean, six something. I don't even get fitted hats. I just get like a small something, but I don't.

It doesn't even look that small. No, dude. I mean, yours looks big, please. Mine's enormous, but his is like, his looks like what I came out of the womb with. It's always a thing,

like sitting around a table, guys, my hat will be sitting there, and somebody will have a huge head and we'll put it on each other's heads, and it's ha-ha, Adam's got a tiny head. It's been,

it's been a thing for a while, but I'm over it. I'm over it. All right. Well, let's get past your head. Let's get on to a little bit of your golf and everything else. But I want to talk a little bit about when you grow up because I read that you were a big hockey player before turning to golf. And an injury kind of ruined your hockey career, correct? It's a true statement. And I can't believe how much research you guys do. I can't. And really impressive.

It is. So, yeah, I played hockey, big hockey fan growing up in St. Louis and big blues fan. And that was kind of my favorite sport to play. I was most excited about playing. I was decent out. I was a defenseman, but I played some travel teams. I was, you know, decent. And I don't know, it was like a winter league, some small little local series league thing that I was playing. And it was a checking game. It's like one of the first few games of checking, I feel like. And I just got absolutely destroyed in the middle of the ice by this huge kid who just had it out for me. Anyway, I go on my back. I'm flying into the board's feet first. one leg hit before the other, and I just screamed as loud as I could. I remember like,

oh, I just like basically passed out. I was, it hurts so bad. And I just remember at the hospital laying in the bed, my dad, my mom were there. And I just, it's a joke now in our family, but I was just laying there like, they're going to have to cut it off. They're going to have to cut it off. I swore I was going to have to have my leg amputated. But it turned out to be just a broken leg six weeks. I was back on the ice. So your first game ever checking, you went out for your career. That's pretty true. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I got the cast off. I got the cast off early to have like a brace so I could play the Pepsi little people's tournament. So golf was still a priority at that point, clearly. Yeah, well, golf obviously worked out very, very well, but staying on hockey just

for a second, I got to run this by you because you know, you're good friends with the sleaze. And he's got this bet coming up. Okay. Yeah. It's scheduled to take place February 1st here in Phoenix, as long as everything's not out of control. But the former hockey great Ray Whitney, not sure if you know the name, the wizard legend, has challenged Sleece. Sleeves never been on skates before.

Okay, Adam? Nope. Keep up with me here. Never been on skates. So they have three bets. One, he has to skate all the way around without holding the boards without falling, which he thinks is a layup.

Layup, bud. Two, he's on the blue line, on skates, has to fly one of 50 pucks into the net, on skates. Okay. And the other one is Ray gets to dig in at the far end of the ice. Slees gets to go as fast as he can at Ray

and Ray says he will not move him an inch. Do you think he can win any of these? How many of those do I win? I don't you get two out of three. Two out of three. Wait, what's the... That's my... That's good. I mean, I think you're... I think you can move Pink Whitney a bit. I think you...

No, no, that's Ray. That's Ryan Whitney. We're talking about Ray Whitney. Whitney. He's, he's, oh, gosh. Okay. Ryan's bigger than Ray, though. I think, I think, I don't know, I still think you could move another human being on ice going full speed. I mean, I mean, I never skate. He's a big guy. So what's full speed? He's probably going to wipe out a few times on the way to him.

But, and I think you could get one puck in. I mean, I think you can get one in. It's got to go in the air the whole way. Never mind. If I get 50, I get 50. You're going to be struggling, bud. 50 tries. Could you do it right now if you put the skates back on? Did you hit one in the air from the blue line?

I don't know. I wouldn't trust myself. That's not what I needed to hear. All right. I think you can get around the ice without falling too. I think you're just going to be like, you know, that's the done. Barely standing. February 1st, that's all happened.

I'll be watching. We'll keep you abreast of the happenings on those bets. I'm ready. I'll be first in line to watch that. Perfect. Well, let's go back. I want to go back because you are one of the few, very proud Duke Blue Devils on the PGA tour. But when you came out of high school, you committed initially to the University of Florida. Why the switch to Duke?

Yeah, I kind of went on a sneaky little extra visit to Duke. I always kind of liked it. My parents were like, you know, you should probably check it out. They really liked you. And look, you know, if you got a chance to go to school like that, you should probably go, you know, give it a fair shake. And I kind of was thinking that there's probably a bunch of nerds. I don't know. I don't think I'm that smart. I don't think I can get through school. It's probably super hard.

I don't know. I didn't like it. But I went back and stayed with some guys on the team, got to know him a little bit. Saw him, you know, at a football game and at night get slightly inebriated. Some of the upperclassmen were a bit out of control. And I was like, all right, these guys are fun. It's not a bunch of nerds. I had a stereotype from my head that turned out not to be the case.

and I kind of loosened up a bit. And I was like, all right, they convinced me basically that the school wasn't that hard. And the golf program was on the up. We had brand new practice facilities, brand new building. And, you know, going to a Duke basketball game, gets you fired up. And so I made that switch, which was tough. But it was a great decision. Yeah, you went to a powerhouse golf school like Duke with the likes of what you,

you, Kevin Strillman, Joe Ogilvie. Are there any others? I mean Ryan Blom That's right I mean pretty solid Westrored like it was just so obvious I mean Ryan Blom That's the first guy I think of But Duke's obviously

Oh yeah Nate Smith was on tour Oh yeah Nate Smith What a legend that guy was But Duke's obviously more known for basketball And lacrosse And I was looking Looked up some of the records At Duke

The 54 whole scoring record It actually was held by you I'm not sure if it still is at the Coca-Cola classic, eight under par. Jesus, can we get some quality players in at Duke? I don't know what that, is that true? That can't be true. It said your sophomore year, you broke the 54-hole school scoring record

and shot eight under par 208. Damn, tough competition around there. It's cold. Hourses are hard. They tuck the pins. They tuck the pins. Yeah, academics, dude, they got to be studying. and they don't got time to hit balls all day.

Eight under would be all-time scoring record at TCU, so I got no problem with that. We were always, like, solid with the top, I don't know, 25, 30 team. We went to the Nationals three out of the four years. Like, we were solid, but we weren't definitely not a Oklahoma State by any means. Well, we had, we had Streelman on as a guest not too long ago, and he talked about how he used to get into the basketball games by bribing the ticket guy or the admissions guy, whoever it was.

They'd give him golf balls and a golf bag and just take care of all of his golf and things like that. Did you have to do anything like that when you're on campus or were you the camping out and a tent in Cheskiewville guy? Neither. I went to a lot of games, but honestly, every year it just keeps getting more and more strict. I can't imagine how hard it is now and they're like sneak in. You always hear these stories about past players or guys, students that were find ways to get into camera. And it just got harder and harder and harder. But no, I couldn't really camp out either because I was like a month long, two month long commitment that I couldn't do.

with school and workouts and traveling and everything. So the longest I ever stood in line, in my first one year I did it. I think we hosted Indiana. I feel like I was in line for like 10 hours or something off and on in the line to get in the game. But tinting, like that's a whole nether crazy. They have all, it's a whole set of rules

and it's, I don't know, I was never into doing that. That's just ridiculous to- So how did you get in? Well, like a normal game you could get in. Like if you're playing a TCU or an SMU or something that like some school that was kind of a ride-off, you could just kind of cruise in a few minutes before tip-off and have a decent spot in the student section. But if, you know, a tight ACC game or UNC or something like you weren't going to get into that game or if you did, not a UNC game, that was impossible. But even a good like Georgia Tech or Miami or somebody like that, you could get in even after tip-off and still get in.

We weren't very good my first like two or three years there. My first year, I feel like we were a sick seat in the tournament, which is embarrassing. But by my senior year, they're pretty solid and they ended up winning the national championship. So that was pretty sick. Go back to the UNC thing real quick. Like you said it's impossible to get a ticket. Like, how long would guys or girls camp out for a ticket for the UNC game? Well, if they're last, so they do a home and home.

So if they're hosting last, it's usually like the first week in March or very, end of February. They're lining up even before school starts in January. So the mid-January, early January, and it's, it gets cold and burn. I mean, it's, it, they blow like an air horn and stuff and they do random tent checks throughout the night. And it's, I mean, if you're not there like you're supposed to be, then you're, you're out. You can obviously be a single file line.

You're just in line for that long. And as soon as the game starts, you just go in and your line. And you can have up to like 12 people in your tents. it's pretty strict rules that you don't mess around with so it's a commitment to do one person one person has to be in the 10 at all times during the day and like half of your half of your group has to be there at night yeah and then game day morning they hand out tickets or what there's no tickets they just kind of swipe your student ID and you're in but yeah basically it's a it's a single file line but you're you also in front of the line for all the

game prior. So if you're just like me, like hanging out trying to get in after, you're going to always get in after all of the tenting people. They've separated now to like blue tenting starts earlier than white tenting or vice versa. It's it's a they have line monitors. They're called and it's, you know, just the police officers of KVille. And it's, but it's sweet. It makes it all that much more special when you get in because you're like, I waited and froze my ass off for months for this. That's why it gets so crazy. Imagine if you get blown out after waiting months. Yeah, that happens.

That happened when I was in school, for sure. But we also blew them out in my senior year. So I don't know. It's part of it. And there parties there on the weekends. It's a whole thing. It's a wet campus. So it gets pretty fun.

Coach Kv rides pizza for everybody. A lot of the players will stop by and set up a basketball hoop and shoot around and the music's going. And it's a pretty good time. You sure that's not an NCAA violation? That feels like a violation. I mean, getting free pizza, but that feels like cheating. He doesn't buy the pizza.

Somebody else, the, yeah, well, Duke just got put on probation, thanks to Adam Long. I need to have a lawyer here. I knew it. I knew I should have a lawyer here. When they suspend Duke basketball operations, everyone's going to look at Adam Long, thank him for that.

Who are the last basketball question, though, because I'm into, who are the guys when you were there? Who were the biggest names on campus? and what was their level of celebrity like on campus? They are definitely celebrities. I mean, it's a small campus. There's only 6,400 undergrads or whatever. And so you see everybody around, you know, everybody,

and they just really stand out because they're ginormous. But I had some classes with a few of them. And, you know, we were, while I was in school, it was pretty blue collar. Right after I finished, like Kyrie Irving came in and that kind of started this whole one and done thing that now that they've been doing. but, you know, we had Kyle Singler, John Shire, Nolan Smith, Gerald Henderson,

you know, not a whole lot of like crazy superstars, but some guys that made it to the league for sure. But Lance Thomas, I don't know, just some blue collar guys that's how they won the championship was, you know, not the way they're doing it now. Did you take the same time? Sorry, go ahead. Have you ever spent any time with Coach Kay? Yeah, I met him probably like three times, not a golfer. that kind of sucked. Didn't have a whole lot of talk about after that.

There was a guy on the team Gerald Henderson who played in the league for a while, who I was friends with at school a bit. And we would talk about him a few times. And he always talked about how he tries to get Gerald not to play so much golf. And he could be on the golf team too. And then Gerald would be like, I could never be on the golf team here. I like golf, but I'm not that good. But he just didn't have a clue.

He didn't really care versus Roy Williams down the street at UNC. a huge golfer playing every day. That would have been pretty cool to have, but not the case of Duke. Did you take the same class as Kyrie Irving there at Duke where they taught that the earth is flat? Next question. What a school. You paid attention to media class. Oh, good man.

Well, let's talk a little bit about golf. Yeah. Yeah, golf. You obviously, you finished up at Duke. You're a two-time academic All-American. A lot of brains in that small head. But you turned pro in 2010. and things didn't get off to probably quite the start you're looking for.

Bounced around the jickey jacks, as Sleeves calls a little bit. Tell us a little bit about the jickey jack life. Yeah, the jickey jack life. It's the life. I loved it. I really enjoyed it, honestly. You want to go back? It's tough.

I do not want to go back. I just enjoyed the time. Yeah, I failed miserably at first stage of Q school right out of school. Didn't play that great the next year on the mini tours, I guess. qualified for the U.S. Open the next summer after I graduated, and that was kind of my first, like, big success, just getting there. And then that fall got through Q School and made it on the web.com or nationwide at the time, both. And I lost my card pretty quickly, easily, that year, back on the jicky jacks for two years. So, you know, it was pretty up and down at the beginning.

But I did well in them. Like, I had a pretty decent, I don't, career, I guess you'd call it, but a pretty decent start. Like I made a lot of cuts, had some, I didn't have a whole lot of wins, but I was, you know, doing okay. It wasn't terrible, but playing a lot of e-golf tour, Hooters tour. You know, then I played to Canada, Latin America. I mean, some tough times, but it was also awesome. Like, I made a lot of good friends.

I have awesome memories that, you know, I look back on it. It's pretty hilarious to look back. When you were bouncing around and, like, you had a tapes out there. you got on the Corn Prairie tour, fell off, then you had to play some more jickeys, go to Canada, things like that. Were you always 100% all in on playing golf? Or did you ever have any thoughts in your mind?

Like, hey, maybe I want to try looking at something else. Yeah, I was never, like, thinking about the PGA tour when I was on the mini tours. I was always kind of thinking about the next step, like getting to the Corn Fairy tour. And then when I was on the Corn Fairy tour, I was just trying to get off that. But I wasn't two steps below or three steps below

or anything thinking. too far ahead. I was just trying to get better status or trying to improve. Like, I was always short term. I still am that way. I don't really look too far in the future. But not really, there was one, like, really, really low time. I think I missed five straight cuts on the eGolf tour in 2011. And I was a wreck. I mean, I remember sending like swing videos to my coach in St. Louis, like, what's going on in the swing? Like, looked fine. You tell me things. I couldn't feel it. It was just awful. I was missing cuts by mile. I mean, I, that's when I was, like, going to, home at night like what am i doing i'm trying to get to the pj tour i can't even sniff a cut on the e-golf

tour like this is this sucks um that was really my lowest point and i missed the cut one week on friday saturday i flew to columbus ohio got ready for sectionals for the u.s open qualifying and played like two of the best rounds of my life that monday and got into the u.s open and then after that i had a nice fall and it's like it's just crazy that's basically that's golf where basically because I was at my lowest point and then boom my highest point at that point was making the U.S. Open. Yeah, you're you're playing terrible. Then you play great and you get to go play the U.S. Open and get absolutely slapped around. What a reward. Yeah, show up there and I'm like, whoa, these guys are good. Yeah, but you obviously, then you kind of had your breakout year in 2018.

You finished 13th on the, what's now the Corn Ferry Tour money list to get your PGA tour card. Were you surprised at all? It took that long? I mean, eight years is a lot. long time to keep going without any real, real success. Yeah, looking back, eight years is like a ton. Like, it's like, wow. But I did play five years on the Corn Fairy Tour, and each of those, besides the first one in 2012, kind of sucked. But after that, the other four were all pretty solid.

So, like, I was keeping my card on the Corn Fairy Tour, and I was getting to the finals and kind of coming close to getting a tour card. So that felt like I was almost like I made it. Like I felt like I was, I had status the next year every time. You know, I didn't go to Q school since, I guess since 2014 was the last time I was like Q school. So I'm, you know, I was feeling pretty good about it. Not that I like arrived by any means, but at that point, you're just wanting status.

Like, you just want to have a tour to play on the following year. Like if you're doing that, you're doing okay. And I felt like I kept getting better and better every year. That it, like the dream of the PJ tour wasn't that far away. finally in 2018, I got it done. Yeah, let's go back to that time that Colt just mentioned, the year that you're last year on the Corn Furry Tour where you finished 13th on the Money List. Obviously, you played really well that year.

Then you go on to the PJ Tour, you win in your rookie year right off the bat. Then you go and have another great year on the PJ Tour. It seems like since that last year on the Corn Furry Tour, you've really played really well and you've gotten better every single year. What's the difference in your game over these last couple years than it was versus the previous six or seven? Yeah, kind of two things. definitely some physical stuff with my golf game that with Josh Gregory that I started with,

I don't know, five, four years ago now. We really, you know, he was the first guy that I really went to and it was like, okay, help me with my chipping, putting, short game kind of scoring because I feel like I'm playing okay and just not getting anything out of it. And he really opened my eyes a lot about technique, for one, and also just spending the time and how to practice it and how to stay on it and how to get better, how different grasses. I mean, that's what we deal with a lot on professional golf is like every week you've got different grass. And so different bunkers and lies and really having a clear plan of how to handle these issues. And he was the first guy that it really went to that that was his thing. That was his focus. And it made, you know,

the rest of my game so much less strong. I didn't have to hit it as well because my short game got a lot better. Or at least I had I've been practicing a lot in the right ways and I felt like it was a lot better. So I had the confidence that even if I was swinging and kind of crappy, I could still get up and down and wasn't a big deal. So that was for sure one big thing. And then a little before that, even I spent some time with Dr. Robertella and kind of really talked about my mental side of it and what I, you know, and again, same kind of thing. gave me a lot of clarity and a lot of focus and a lot of purpose as to how I carry myself, how I think about golf, how I handle all the ups and downs on and off the golf course.

So I think those two, you know, a true focus on my mental side and a true focus on my short game putting and wedges and stuff. Those two things really kind of came together and started clicking in 2018. Yeah, you definitely have found your way because, I mean, you go back to your start of your rookie season. You start off T63, then you miss three cuts in a row. and I think a lot of people might be like, oh, God, what have I gotten myself into here? But then you find yourself in the final group in Palm Springs at the American Express with Phil Mickelson,

where I think no one would have been surprised at all if you would have faltered, you know, coming down the stretch at all. But you step up and hit one of the greatest shots of your life, make birdie on the 72nd hole and win the golf tournament. Take us through that last hole because I thought that was one of the coolest moments I've ever seen on a PJ tour. Yeah, that was wild. I mean, I just started that day, like, I need a top 10 to get into Tori. I was, you know, have a blast. Like, I just want to make sure I had a good time. I wanted to, like, enjoy the moment, be in the moment, embrace it and, you know, not try too hard and not anything.

Just have fun with it because, who knows, I'd probably never be on the last group of a tournament on the PJ tour. You never know. Like, let's just have fun with it. And like you said, all of a sudden, on 18T, I'm like, holy crap, we're tied. But, yeah, water on the left side. I was not going left. So I hit it right, which, as one does, and hit it over there.

on the side of a mound, unfortunately. I would get over there, like, of course, like, why can't I just have a normal flat lie? I've been pretty lucky all week. Like, come on. But I was first to hit into the green and kind of quick-plated in a sense. At least I felt like I was playing it pretty quickly because I didn't want to, like, overthink it. I've been playing pretty steady all week.

I was kind of stepping up and just hitting it. I didn't want to overthink this shot and think about all that it meant. So I just hit that seven iron and was trying to go middle of the green, pulled it a little bit right at the flag and perfect. I was like, wow, I'm going to have a chance here. But I still thought it was going to be a chance at a playoff because he got Phil Mickelson, middle of the fairway, probably has like eight iron. And then he hit it like 40 feet short of the hole. I'm like, hmm. And then I'm like, well, Hadron probably has nine iron. He's even closer up. He's going to stuff it. And he gets it over the green. So I'm like, holy crap. I'm going to have a chance to win this thing. And that's what

happen. I mean, they miss their third shots and I had 13 footer for birdie and kind of got over it and felt pretty good about it and was like, don't, I was basically not trying to think about all that it meant or all that it could mean. I was like, this is like a putt on Thursday. You've been rolling it well a week and I just kind of got over it and felt good and went right in. And then I don't know what happened after that. So don't ask. Except it was for like 1.3 million and changes your life. No big deal. Yeah. Just a Thursday put. Yeah. Just a, just a, just a, just a, nothing in it. But Adam, I read, or I heard you say after the tournament, like, you like anyone in our generation looked up to Phil as a young kid, right? That's the guy you look up to and

kind of idolize and, you know, you want to be like, when you were paired with him in that final round, had you had any interaction with Phil Mickelson leading up to that or was that the first time you guys met? First time we met. I mean, I saw him. I think the only other tournament that he played in that I was in was at Napa earlier in the season. But no, no interaction met him on the first and have at it. Yeah, it's amazing, like how well you handled the situation, but then you look at throughout your career, when you get big pairings,

I was talking to Josh Gregory about this last night, when you get big pairings, you seem to play really, really well. Obviously, this year, y'all weren't playing great, but you had the biggest pairing you can possibly have on the PGA tour, arguably, at the Zozo with Tiger and Phil, and here's Adam Long, and you went out and slapped them both around. I mean, what is it when you get in these moments?

I don't know, maybe it just, it gets me, it gets me more excited. I definitely don't have like a chip on my shoulder. I definitely don't have a, oh, I want to, I want to beat this guy so bad. Like he's, you know, one of the best players. I don't know. I just play with Justin Thomas at Mayakova. Same thing.

I don't know. I just, I feel like they bring out the best of me in a way. I kind of, I want to like rise to their level. I want to rise to the occasion in a sense, probably. I always do better kind of the more pressure. the bigger the events, I tend to do a lot better. I am your worst, like, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, practice game guy or guy at home. Like, I just donate.

I just send it out. God. I just spend with you before the round. Move out here. Played with me on Tuesday. Move out here, bud. We got room. I am the world's worst on a Tuesday.

But usually by Sunday, I have a pretty good week. So I don't know. I just something about those tournaments or those rounds or those pairings that they kept me fired up. but I don't know. It's something to, I don't know, ask Josh, maybe he knows. So let's stay on that pairing you had at Sherwood with Tiger and Phil, which is probably 99% of the world of golf's dream pairing out there.

When you get there and you're paired with Phil again, did you have to reintroduce yourself? Like, hey, Phil, I'm Adam. I'm the guy that dusted you at Palm Springs. It's been a while, buddy. I did. I talked to him kind of throughout the last year and a half since it's been a little bit here and there in the locker room or something.

But he did say, like, I think last time we played together, you were making putts and chipping in to win. tournaments. That was a fun day. I wish I would have finished on the other end of that thing, but that was a fun day. But I did ask Phil, I did ask Phil and Rick Wild Scribs on the first tee, the starter. We're standing there. We're there, I don't know, three minutes before our tea time and getting our scorecards and pen sheets and things. And I'm like, you guys have any idea who our third is here? And Phil's like, oh, don't worry. He likes to make a grand entrance. He'll be here. He'll be here.

one of those last groups off 10th the 10th team it was hilarious though yeah exactly we were off 10 we're in like close to last and we look over I'm like talking to Jules my caddy your old caddy I'm looking at Jules and I'm like there he's look at look at number one over here there's nobody around one these guys are like winning the tournament and there was not one person on one

and we've got the entire club staff media everybody's on 10 we had like PJ tour live on us for T65 It was a sweet day. It was pretty awesome for me. Take us inside that, yeah, take us inside that around a little bit. Everyone's all of ours dream to play with Tiger Woods. I mean, there's no doubt about that.

I know Tiger wasn't playing his best that week. But what was it like? Did you chat much with him? I mean, you had to be kind of in awe, even though you were playing well. Yeah, quite a bit. I mean, I kind of wanted to just kind of watch them interact more than anything. That was a front row seat to those two. And they're little banters and conversations.

but yeah, none of us were playing that great. So I think that helped my cause. Had we been, you know, final group of a major, maybe, you know, they would have been a little more intense and, you know, felt like they were trying to kill me. But it was pretty relaxed for the most part. I don't know. They were pretty quiet to start,

but they got a lot more loose towards the back nine. You know, we're all kind of ready to be done. And it was pretty awesome, though. Yeah, I mean, I felt like Tiger didn't really initiate a whole lot of conversation, but anytime I asked him stuff or questions, he would just start a whole five-time-minute conversation the rest of the whole. So that was pretty cool. And Phil, he's pretty outgoing.

You guys know him a bit. He'll talk to anybody and he'll tell you all kinds of stories and stuff. So that's easy. He's an open book, but Tiger's a little tougher to needle. What did you ask, what was your first question that Tiger was that day? I'd love to know. My first question was on 11. our second hole, my first question was we're both like 10 feet away. I'm like, I mean,

I don't know who's going next. I don't know. Am I supposed to ask him? I mean, it's Tiger. So I'm like, I just kind of was like, who's next? Here, me or you? He's like, you call it. I was like, oh, it's probably me. I'll go. It's me, dude. You can stand right behind me and watch it if you want. I'll hit it twice. I'll rake it back and hit it twice. It's definitely me. That was the first question. I don't know after that. He had just filmed a golf past TV thing at the Dye Preserve where I'm a member here in Jupiter and I was asking him about his day out there and his experience out there. That was probably the second real question. But yeah, there was some funny, funny little things here and there.

And they obviously get along. They're not like super close best friends or anything. But they were talking about the upcoming masters in the fall and kind of the schedule changes and things like that. But it was a pretty fun, fun day for me. Yeah, I would say. Bias, not bad. Tiger Stiffed you on a ride home back to Florida on his jet. Oh, yeah. That's true.

Yeah, I mean, we're in L.A. Both trying to go to Florida, Jupiter. And I'm like, man, I could really use this. I had my wife and baby, but, you know, I would have bailed on them to hit your ride of this guy. No, but I asked Joe's caddy. I was like, man, how's, how's Tiger getting home tonight? And he's like, oh, he's flying out as soon as we sign that card, man. he's going straight to the plane.

I was like, yeah, man, I'm going the same way. So you're saying he's not on our jet blue flight tomorrow morning at 10 a.m. out of LAX. No, I don't think so. He'll be watching the Dodgers game and kick back and relax. But I didn't have the gust to ask Tiger that, but I knew the answer. That's a tough ask in your first time with Tiger. Hey, bud, you mind if I just saddle up back across country?

Tough ask, yeah. Well, I've also heard. Shoot a shoot. Shoot or shoot. I've also heard if he does give you a ride, you get a bill afterwards, too. you're probably glad because that's an expensive flight from LA to Jupiter. Certainly more than I made that week. So, yeah, it's probably a good thing I kept my mouth shut.

Yeah, he's not on the baby bird at all. I want to go back to last year, though, too, Adam, because you were in a situation. I mentioned earlier when I introed you. You finished 31st in the FedEx Cup standings, but this past year there was a monumental up and down made by McKenzie Hughes in Chicago in the FedEx Cup playoffs on the 70-second hole that a lot of people probably don't realize

how impactful that up and down was. Can you explain what that up and down meant? for you. I was almost over that. I was almost over it. And then here we go. I'm sorry, dude. Yeah, so it came down to BMW and long story short, it came down to McKenzie Hughes on 18. If he makes par, he's in the tour championship. If he makes bogey or worse, Adam Long, you're in the tour championship. And I had just gotten like takeout food for my wife and I and baby. And we, I was like in the parking lot watching it. I think I was listening on the radio. I don't know. I was watching on my phone. maybe. I was like, this is it. Let's see what happens. I think I was watching my phone.

And, you know, he's over. I'm like, this is a dicey, dicey putt. He had like five, six, five and a half feet for par. That he left him with a nasty putt and just cashed it. It was a sick putt. It was a perfect putt. And that was it turned it off. And I was like, well, all right, we're going home. We're not going to Atlanta. Yeah, it was, I'm really good friends with Mack. Like, he's an awesome dude. Knows Caddy well, too. And like, I was, I honestly, I was super, super stoked for them like that is a huge huge accomplishment and I just was more like disappointed myself it was more like I could have done so much more like you thought over the course of a season a point here and a point there that was the difference and so that was kind of it was like gut wrenching to myself

that I didn't really I didn't finish it off because I was in a great position the last like four weeks to do it and I just kind of hung around and made you know whatever all four cuts from the PGA to what was the next edgefield to Boston and then Chicago. I was around, but I was always finishing anywhere from 30th to 50 something. So just didn't get it done. And it was kind of just sucked for me, but I was stuck for Mac, honestly. How did you think? Go ahead, Colt.

Sorry. I just think if he would have missed that putt, you would be in Hawaii right now. You wouldn't be doing golf subpar. I mean, you're winning right now. Let's be honest. We haven't had him on. in all fairness. That's true.

It's a pretty even tradeoff there. That's true. I bet Max miserable out there too. Oh, he keeps reaching out to us like, have me on, have me on. Like, relax, dude. We got Adam Long. We'll put you in the queue somewhere down the mix. So, yeah, you are winning on that.

Now he's terrible in January. You don't want that. The course is so hilly. That walk, dude? You get chat passed, all that stuff. You don't want any part of that. Have you, real question, though, have you, you're close with Mac, obviously.

You guys are buddies. you ever brought up after the fact like, hey, asshole, that up and down cost me the tour championship and every major, our friendship is a little rocky right now. I mean, I text him that night and he did text back, but not really after that. I don't think we've had much about that. We just talk about everything else, but it's understood. You know, he got it done and I didn't, though. It wasn't like he did anything crazy. He didn't, you know, a whole lot from the fairway or something that would be a lot different, but he made a pretty nasty par in the last hole. We had him on our serious XM show the next day, and he said he couldn't have been

happier that you finished 31st. So I'm not sure what that does deal with friendship. You weren't supposed to tell him that, bro. I did not know that. I had to. I'm coming for you, Mac. But obviously, you bounce back. I mean, a few, just, I mean, a month or so later, you finished 13th at the U.S. Open, your best finish in a major around Wingfoot. Incredible playing, by the way. But obviously, all the talk that week was Bryson DeCambo and what he's doing to the game. You're not one of longer guys out there. There's no secret about that. You get it done in a much different way. With all the focus on distance now, everybody going to

47-inch drivers are trying to hit as far as they can. Does this frustrate you at all the way the game's going? Not really. I mean, it's kind of, it was going to happen at some point probably. People are going to figure it out. But no, more power to

Bryson. I mean, it's unbelievable what he's done. He's probably the most dedicated athlete of any sport. pretty awesome to watch. But for me, I'm in a way different position than he is. I don't know, as far as like gaining a bunch of weight and trying to pick up a crazy amount of swing speed and makes these huge jumps, like I'm not in a position to do that. Like I can't afford to have a crappy year or two on tour.

I lose my card. I'm out of here. And they'll still chew me up and spit me out. I mean, it's cut throw out there. So I'm in a more position where I feel like I just need to keep doing my thing and almost have blinders on to that because, yes, I'd love to hit it 30 yards further, of course. But that would take me some time. It would take some effort, take some commitment and doing it the right way. I'm just not in a position to, we're willing to do that right now.

Maybe that will change in a few years. But where I'm at right now, like I feel like my results have been really good. My game's solid. I'm in a good position. I'm trending in the right direction. And why would you start, you know, searching for something that may or may not breed success? I mean, there's no guarantee that if I hit it further,

all my other shots will be just as good or better either. So, you know, I always kind of one or two. Like if your driver's swing speed gets that fast, does it affect the rest of your iron play and your wedges and your touch around the greens? Like, I don't know, it could have an effect in that too. So I'm kind of hanging tight and sitting back and watching everybody else do it.

it, but it is a thing for sure. I mean, those guys at the club every day trying to swing as fast as they can, and they're obsessed with who hits it farther. And I'm just kind of doing my own thing and, you know, trying to rack up FedEx Cup points, not money at the point. Very well said. What you said about distance was very well said. Also the FedEx Cup, very well said.

But it was interesting to see in the first round of the tournament of champions, Bryson was paired with Brendan Todd, who's one of the shortest guys on tour. and on average on the par fours and par fives, Brendan Todd had 48 yards further for his approach shots than Bryson did and he ended up beating Bryson. So it does show you that obviously you can beat him on any given day. But at the same time, 48 yards closer on every approach shot, that's a freaking big advantage.

That's a lot. I mean, one day, yeah, Brennan beat him. And over this week or next week or Brennan might beat him the decent amount. But over the long haul of a season or career, you got to give the edge to Bryson. But that doesn't mean Brendan Todd can't win tournaments. He can't have an amazing, crazy, long career either. That just means Bryson might just be a little bit better.

But I don't know, there's room for a lot of us out here still. Okay, here's a question I've never asked anybody. Because obviously, yes, I actually never have asked this to anybody. Obviously, the short hitter can survive on the PGA tour. Do you think we'll ever see a short hitter, say, bottom 30 distance guys? on tour be top 10 in the world ever again? I would lean toward no. See, I think the short hitter can survive, keep his card, have a nice career and all this.

I just don't know if they can ever be that elite player anymore, like a Justin Leonard, like a Corey Pavin and stuff like that. Right. Yeah. I'd probably agree with you on that. I don't know. It would be pretty awesome to see because it would be so different than everybody around him, but I would lean toward no.

It's definitely not trending towards the way of the short hitter. right now. I can say that. But you brought up an interesting comment earlier about how, like, I can't afford to have a bad year out here because it'll chew you up and spit you out, right? But you are a PGA tour winner. You've been out there a number of years now. Where do you view yourself? Because a lot of the young guys that come out, the hardest part is feeling like you belong on the PGA tour. You've been out there long enough now and have had enough success. Where do you view yourself in terms of like the PGA tour as a whole? Do you have a different mindset than you did a couple years ago? Yeah, probably. I mean, as a rookie, I was just kind of like, where am I, like,

am I good enough? Is anything in my game good enough to be here? Like, what do I do so well that I deserve to be here? You're just like, what do I need to get better at? Like, these guys are amazing. You're just kind of washing everybody. Like, you can't help but have a little bit of that. And then now I'm just kind of like, eh, I'm 33. I, you know, my goal is not to be number one in the world right now. Like it's just not a thing for me. I, you know, I think Calamorcawa, yes, certainly his goal should be number one in the world. Anybody that's on tour in their early 20s, yes, why wouldn't it be? But for me, I'm 33. This is my third year now on tour. You know, I'm whatever, 60s something in the world and I'm, you know, trending in the right

direction, but I'm trying to get to like 50. I'm trying to just kind of move up kind of gradually and do my thing. I, you know, I intend to win again. That's my goal. I want to, I want to I want to keep contending to win. I want to win again. I don't know. I feel like I'm a comfortable, I don't know, next tier kind of player. I don't, you know, maybe once I get that kind of settle down for a while, then I can move up to the next kind of tier.

But, you know, these guys that are contending to win every single week, Dustin Thomas, Dustin Johnson, those guys are John Rom. I mean, these guys are so underrated. It's unbelievable. They are so good. It's ridiculous. I'm a ways. I realize that I'm a ways from getting there and I'm just trying to kind of take baby steps to get there instead of maybe giant leaps. I'm not trying to gain 50 yards to reach that point. What is the one part of your game you would say you need to improve to get to top 50 in the world? That's good question because I've always pretty much prided myself on being good at like everything. Not necessarily awesome at anything, but no weaknesses in my game. I don't know.

I mean, if I had to pick, it kind of changes. I guess this season, my iron games kind of sucked. But if I hit it a little bit better, I'd probably feel a lot better. But if I had to pick one, I'd take putting. I think if I could put like Colt, I'd be doing a lot. I'd be a lot happier. Yeah, you'd be sitting here interviewing me. Congratulations.

I would take Colt on the 10-footer to win, by the way, if you're still doing that. Well, you already have one of those. you made it. True. True. No, I can put fine. It's just if I had to pick one asset from the game to get a lot better in, I'd take putty. What's the one shot you feel like you, if you, all the chips are on the table, all the

marbles, one shot you've got that you want to go to do more than anything. What do you hit? What's a shot you hit better than you think most people in the world? Yeah, I hit like a nice pretty three-quartered flight of draw with my irons. I don't know, 9-8-7 iron. and a, you know, 155, 7 iron into the wind, like a nice flighted little draw on there. It's feel pretty confident about that. I remember it.

Or a little hanging lie seven iron, perhaps, with a slight pull, which I knew you pulled. I was going to ask you if you pulled that, but you already answered the question. You said you slight pulled it. But unbelievable. I thought you might say that one. Slight pull. Is there one thing in your three years that you stuck out when you're playing with somebody that you were just like, oh, my God, that was impressive?

Yeah, you know what? Most recently, that sticks out as Sergio Garcia's driver, like t-ball game is unworldly. It's so good. I love watching. I played with them for two rounds at Sanderson Farms and Jackson when he ended up winning the first two days. But I was just like in awe of his driver. Like, it was so awesome. He's so got it.

It's flighted. It's bombed. It's hit hard. He's got the draw to fade. Like that probably was one of the most impressive, impressive things. I'm trying to think. of another one, but maybe Brendan Todd's like mid-range putting, honestly. Like, it's pretty nasty. If it doesn't go in, it's like, how did that not go in every time? When you're playing with guys

like this who impress you, are you one of the guys that has no problem going to these guys and asking for advice or asking for little tips and things like that and trying to gain information? Or do you kind of keep your distance and just watch and try to pick up on it that way? No, I think that's another thing that I've done really well at and that's helped me is like I like my own game. and I'm playing golf my own way, and I think that's really what you have to do on the PJA tour because there's so many good players. There's so many guys that are good at this or good at that

or have this shot or that, whatever, that you can get a little bit lost, and you end up trying to be like them and trying to be like somebody else. And I've really taken a lot of ownership in my own game and the way I get it done playing my own golf game instead of trying to be like them because I'm just not going to.

And just trusting that I can get it done in my own way in my own game is good enough. So I don't really, I like watching that stuff and it's pretty cool, but I'm not going to go try to be like that, if that makes sense. Yeah, you be you. You be you. Love you, sub view.

That's it. All right. Slee, should we get to the emergency nine? I know he's dying. Let's go E9 on his ass right now. Neil Patrick Harris. Oh, he listens. Respect.

He does. He's a fan. That's actually really good. Shit, I didn't. That is very good. That's the right. Well, obviously he's a huge fan of golf subpar, so he knows the question already. But number one, who plays Adam Long in a movie?

Bill Patrick Harris. So he's not going to have an answer. That was now looking at him, though, it's brilliant. I got to say my answer sucks now because I think that's the right answer. And the man obviously knows what he's doing. I had him as McLevin, the organ donor from Hawaii, I think from Superbad. I think that's pretty accurate. Agreed to disagree.

McLevin is the hell of it? he's a very likable character, dude. Colt's got nobody to hear. You guys are like the king of research, and this is what we get. The one I had down, he would need some work, but Owen Wilson.

Wow. Owen Wilson, huh? Yeah, blonde hair. His nose is a little messed up. He's going to need to play a little more hockey. You know, maybe take a couple more checks. He's blonde-headed.

You think he's that funny, Colt? You think he's funny enough? I actually do think Adam's funny. Yeah, he is actually funny. funny. He's not showing it right now, but I'm just trying to anticipate your second question. All right. I'm the second question guy. Here you go. This is the easy one. Who do you hate more? The North Carolina Tar Hills or the Los Angeles Rams? Oh, the Tar Heels for sure. I've been told that you had a really tough time when the Rams packed up shop and moved to L.A.

not a big Stan Cronky fan over here. Yeah, not cool. That sucks. I was a big fan there, greatest show on turf when I was a kid, got super into it. And then they sucked for a while, a little less into it then.

But then they just bailed and it was just, it sucked. So yeah, that's bad. But the Tar Heel thing, I mean, when you're living there in Durham and I mean,

you just have to, you can't, you have to hate UNC. Although we did go over there on the weekends quite a bit. full disclosure. If Roy Williams was at the golf course, would you introduce yourself to him?

Yeah, a thousand percent. Say I'm a huge fan. I'm a huge fan. I wouldn't say I was a fan, but I would like to meet him and have a little word with him, ask him why they sucked so bad. He'd probably come up to you. Just wait for that.

I totally agree. Good point. All right. Favorite Duke basketball player of all time? Well, all times tough. Jason Williams is probably, probably number one. When I was in school is what most people,

I thought you were going to ask me. I knew it. You're wrong. Kyle Singler was just awesome when I was in school. You're younger than me, but just blue collar, awesome,

kind of all around the floor, could do it all. And just we made him, you know, rebound and shoot threes. And I mean, he got his ass beat under the boards and in the paint.

But he, he survived and won us a national championship. That was number one. Yeah, He's a lot like you, basketball version, blue-collar guy, gets it done, hard worker, you know, just knows the grindstone type of a fellow. I like you, Drew. Yeah, I get it. I see the parallels.

I see the parallels. All right, I'll ask the next question here. This is the last one. My last two, I think will be real fun. All right. Bigger deal in St. Louis. You or Nelly? Current day.

Yeah, see, that's what I was going to say. In the day, Nelly. Are you kidding me? Nowadays, I don't know. I've been in like the 18th page of the Post-Despats. like four times in the last year. I don't think Nellie can say that. Have you ever met Nellie?

Have not met Nellie. I feel like all the St. Louis guys just hang out under the arch and you guys just all meet each other and hang out and shit. Yeah, kind of not really. Kind of not really, no. You know, he was on the other side of the river for the most of the time. But, no, that'd be cool to meet him. I mean, I was a huge fan of some country grammar back in the day.

Who wasn't? Maybe wear the bandaid on the eye and draw them out and let them know. Let them know you're paying homage. Next time you play the Masters, put the bandaid under the eye. Yeah, where the, bear the Band-Aid at the Masters? That would be. Yeah. You think people would get it?

You think people would get it? Nope, nope, but Nelly would, if you heard about it. That's all it matters, right? We're going to, yeah. 100%. I'm going to put that in my notes on my phone. Yep. There you go.

Mine's also a bigger deal in St. Louis' question, but mine's Albert Poolehouse or Brett Hall. Brett Hall. I mean, especially with the blues success last year and we went blues and I mean, that guy just absolutely crushed it in the playoffs. You know, Poole's was absolutely the goat there for a long, long time and sucked to see him leave. Yeah, I mean, Brett Hall has to be number one, except, you know, these kids these days, they don't really know them probably as well as we did. But yeah, I'm going Brett all tough call though. A lot of legends. A lot of legends

out of that place. All right, this next question I've been looking forward to asking this. All right, here we go. I don't know how to phrase it, but you'll get the gist. What took you so long to be friends with me when we played at the Canadian tour at the same time? Are you all friends? Barry the Hatchet, buddy.

He was so cold. You wouldn't believe this guy, dude. So there's this guy. There was this guy on the McKinsey, Canada PGA tour. that was this loud down in the range wearing these, you know, these flat bill like visor things and the hair and just talking and talking and hitting these like slices on the tea.

I mean, I didn't know who this guy was, didn't put out the best spot. And then it kind of weeks would go by and I'd be like, why are all of my friends friends with this guy that are playing practice rounds with them? They're staying with him. They're going to dinner with this guy who, like, why? and I kind of met him maybe briefly one time or something and I was still just like not my cup of tea and then who was our mutual friend was it west holman maybe somebody set us up

on a drive from yeah when you played good on tauntary somewhere in Ontario when you played good the waterway or whatever waterway classic who can forget we had to drive like the west side of Toronto and like London it was I don't know a three hour at least drive took it's like five because of that huge accident. I had to give this guy a ride because I'm the nice guy. And of course, there's a huge traffic accident, nasty thing. And we sat in the car for like four or five hours together. And I finally saw what everybody else saw on him.

So I did come around and finally like the guy. Yeah, what? What is that exactly? It's a good question. I don't know. He asked a lot about me, which he's doing well now, still to this day. He didn't, you know, he, he, I don't know, I think it was his charm. I don't know.

He may have touched my leg. I don't know. It was a nice trip that. That I believe. We're not supposed to talk about ever since. But, you know, I don't know. We just, we just started hitting it off. That was a special moment.

Special moment. Very, very nice answer. Really turned a corner then. Absolutely. I love it. Number seven. Your wife is a very successful nurse antithesis. Do my research.

That's pronounced very well. I know. Yeah. Trust me, I do my research, bud. Yeah, I see that. Rumor has that she was kind of your sugar mama when you were on the jickey jacks growing up. You know, you know, she was the breadwinner of the family. So be honest with me.

Who picked up more dinner tabs before you got your PJ tour card? You or her? She did do nice, but she was in school for a lot of it. So it wasn't until the very end there that she started raking in the dough. no it's pretty even i i'd still would like pay for the dinners and then i'd be like can you help out with the mortgage kind of thing or the rents you know can you help it out help us out on the back end kind of thing uh yeah very yeah she's a nurse anesthetist and uh does just quite nicely but she's uh she works pretty part time nowadays it's once or twice a week you know at the

most but uh it's a good good little setup for us i heard it i heard you said what If you weren't a PGA tour player, you'd be a stay-at-home dad. Oh, yeah, that'd be great. Probably what I'm best at. I could probably do that. I don't know. I would get a lot of babysitters. Like tomorrow, like I've been home for six weeks or whatever.

Emily's going to work from like one to seven, and I had like scheduled to play this golf round tomorrow at 10 o'clock, so I got to get a babysitter. Of course, the one day I'm on daddy duty. So I'm taking a little bit of heat for that. But luckily, Mallory Conner's, Corey Conner's his wife, right next door. Big fan of little Trevor. So we worked a little deal.

So she's going to go over and babysit. Nice. No, not the big golf matches the prior commitment. So if I stay at home, dad, you mean go away and golf dad and give the kid to someone else? Pretty much. My parents live nearby. You know, I can probably bribe them into coming over for a bit. But yeah, I don't know.

I don't know what I would do if I didn't play golf. I'd be screwed. All right. You're doing a hell of a job. Don't even worry about that anymore. You're beyond that. All right, next question. Have you ever been mistaken for a fan while in the elevator at a PGA tour event?

Oh, gosh, yeah. That was bad. I felt bad for the guy even. I mean, we're in the, like, the host hotel in New Jersey for the, it was like the first playoff event and the Northern Trust. And we're in the, I mean, there's players all over the place. Courtesy cards out front. I mean, couldn't be more obvious.

This is like Saturday of the tournament or Friday probably. getting the elevator and he's like, I got my bag, I mean, or no, I just had all my golf clothes on, I guess, I didn't have my back. And he's just like, where are you headed? I was like, oh, Liberty National.

He's like, oh, yeah, those two. He had his like ticket already ready, you know, he's ready to go. And he's like, do you think any of the players are staying here pretty close to the course? I was like, yeah, yeah, I think there's at least one. There's at least one player here.

Yeah, that was bad. That was a play better moment for sure. There was lots of times, though, at restaurants and stuff, like, oh, you just come from the tournament? Yeah, I was just finished up on 18 over there, but don't recognize me. That's all right. I don't mind it that way. Yeah, I wear my golf shoes to watch, like everybody else.

Yeah, it's fine. All right, last question. That's awesome. All right. So the listeners love getting the inside scoop of the PGA tour, like I said earlier. Okay. So we're going to just put a little hypothetical situation here. Okay.

This is going to hurt. Say a player is going to fire his caddy and he maybe is interested in hiring a caddy that works for another player. So what's the protocol here? Does the player go to the other player and maybe ask permission or does he just go behind his back and try to hire the caddy away? How does that work? There it is. You're breaking up. You're breaking up.

We've got a poor connection. It's been brewing for an hour. Thanks for having. I enjoyed the show. Appreciate it. Good night. Yeah, that worked out well for me. I know that. Why don't you explain to them what you did, Adam? Tell them what happened. I don't know. I was in a whirlwind at that point. But yeah, I mean, my side of the story was I was asking a lot of players and caddies and coaches and who might be available to hire. Who should I get? And everyone kept saying this Julian Trudeau chap. And I was like, all right, let's. Let's go with this Julian Trudeau chat. What's he doing?

Oh, well, he's out in the Zora caddying for Colt, but I don't know if that's a long-term thing. I don't know if Colts on medical. I don't know. I don't know what their agreement is. So I asked Jules and said, I know you're caddying for Colt this week. Do you have any interest in some point down the road?

I don't know. Next year, who knows? And he said, oh, my God. Thank you so much. I'm saving me. I will work for free. I will work. I'll pay you to get out of this situation with this guy.

I'm miserable. I hate this guy. It's awful. And that's kind of how it worked for me. That's from my side. Caddy thief. Happy catty thief. I knew it was coming up.

I just didn't know at what point during the show. So I knew the last question coming out. I was like, here we go. Here we go. Yeah, I thought we'd ask that early on, but you saved it for the last. and I'm sweating a bit. We build it up.

I did text Joel, a Colt, like a little later on. I was like, you know, I don't know what I said. Thank you. I don't know. Don't hate me. Don't talk bad about me on your radio show. Whatever I said. And you just said, you're dead to me.

And that's how I knew. I started off with, this is Adam Long. And then I said who? I said who, question mark. Is I thought I started it. Probably true. Probably true there. Oh my God.

And now look. I forgive you. I forgive you. And now look. I do so much that I forgive you. That, yeah, that's it. Well, that's because he's the nice guy. Everybody likes him.

So in fact, they're interned. Everybody can. And it doesn't hate me as much. Perfect. Well, Adam, thank you so much for joining us, man. It's been a blast. Yeah, you guys are welcome. And good luck with the show.

Hopefully you make it to next week. It's TBD at this point. Perfect. Thanks, dude. Thanks, bye. All right. And that was the catty thief, Adam Long. decided to wait till the very, very end to throw that in there,

Sleaze, but that's one thing. I didn't know Adam very, very well until the whole catty thief thing took place, but I love giving him a hard time about it. He's basically the reason I'm doing the golf subpar podcast in the Series XM radio show. So I don't know whether to hate him or to thank him. It all worked out, dude. You don't got to worry about making cuts or doing any of that anymore. But I was just, I was sitting there through the whole interview like, I wonder when

it's coming. I wonder when he's going to bring up the caddy. And then the last question, I was like, this has to be it or else I will do it lost every single bed. know it's got to come up, but it's always a fun thing to talk about with him. Your boy, Jules, your boy Jules popping off and going with A. Long for a little while. Not a bad move. It's worked out very, very well for him. But he is Adam Long. Great, dude. Very dry sense of humor. Love cracking jokes with him. But, I mean, what a run he's been on.

You know, 13th at the U.S. Open, 31st in the FedEx Cup standings, only because McKenzie Hughes made a five-foot slider to keep him out of East Lake. It was really cool to see his reaction. I mean, he wasn't upset about it. it. I mean, it's kind of hard on one of your really good friends, Knoxia. Yeah, what are you going to do? I mean, you have the whole season. It seems like it comes down to that bubble every single time. It's one shot here, one shot there. But I actually was texting with a couple of our buddies beforehand, like, yo, is it cool if I bring up the McKinsey Hughes up and down? Or is that still like a sore subject? Because I mean, that's still like, it's your buddy that does it to you and you're happy that he did well and all that.

But like, that's still a bit. I mean, that's every single major for the next year. That's a ton of money, a ton of bonuses from all your sponsors, everything like that. I mean, that is a massive deal to get in there. So to watch a guy get up and down on the last hole, make a five foot slider to do it. Tough one, but I mean, A-Long, he's cool with talking about it, but it was fun to hear that story. Yeah, and get you in the WGCs, which is just free money, no matter how you play. All of going to walk out with probably, you know, a few hundred thousand dollars, even if you don't play very well. So tough one for him, but I mean, like I said, the future looks very, very bright for Adam Long. He's really turned into a great player. I love catching up with the,

about the Duke stories. I mean, camping outside of Cameron Indoor, going to those games with the Cameron Crazes. What a cool experience that had to be. Yeah, I mean, you and I went to SMU TCU, dude. I could walk into our arena five minutes before tip off and probably walk down and ask the coach if I could start at point guard. You'd be like, yeah, sure, whatever you want to do, a little different world out there at Duke where I had no idea these dudes camp out for two months, space. I mean, could you imagine doing that? I mean, I don't care how much I love anything. Camping outside in the winter to do something for two months. Probably not going to survive that. I would like to know, like, how many people break the rules and their tent gets thrown out.

Oh, you could sabotage the shit out of people, I would feel like turn off their pro. You got have something to keep you warm. Turn that out. They're going to have to go leave and get a new one. Whoop, move their tent behind our tent. All right. We just moved up. Or be like Kevin Strelman and just bribe the security guy. or the tickets guy. That seems like an easier route. Oh, you want some golf balls in a bag? Cool.

I'd like to sit on the third row for Carolina game. Yeah, but that was a lot of fun. And our next episode is going to be even a lot of fun as well. We got one of the most colorful characters, Steve Elkington, going to be joining us on golf subpar. And also, Slees, we're going to be bringing back our gambling segment, which I know a lot of you out there have been waiting for. Yep.

That'll be fun to get back into that. We got to get the criteria lined up and all that figured out exactly. how we're going to do it, but we will be back with the gambling picks next week and another year of just competing head to head. Still need to get that caddy round, by the way. I'm waiting on that. My game's nice right now, so you might want to hurry up before I started hitting it like shit and you've got to work harder. Yeah, yeah, whatever. All right, well, that's going to do it for us. You're not going to want to miss next week with special guest Steve Elkington on golf subpar. Everybody have a great week.