Subpar - Ben Lamb talks playing The Genesis Pro-Am with Tiger Woods, the craziest on course bets he’s witnessed

Episode Date: May 2, 2023

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, professional poker player Ben Lamb joins former PGA Tour pro Colt Knost and jicky jack legend Drew Stoltz for an exclusive, in-studio, interview. The 2011 World Series of Poker Player of the Year breaks down being paired with Tiger Woods during The Genesis Pro-Am, the parallels between poker and golf and the wildest bets he's witnessed on the golf course. -- Tee it up on FanDuel this PGA TOUR season! Right now NEW customers can get ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS in BONUS BETS – GUARANTEED when you place a FIVE DOLLAR BET. Go to FanDuel.com/SUBPAR and sign up. That’s FanDuel.com/SUBPAR to get a ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLAR IN BONUS BETS – WIN OR LOSE! FanDuel, ​​Official Betting Operator of the PGA TOUR. Disclaimer: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. $10 Deposit req. Refund issued as non-withdrawable bonus bets that expire in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See full terms at fanduel.com/sportsbook. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MI, NJ, OH, PA, IL, TN, VA), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), visit www.mdgamblinghelp.org (MD), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), 1-800-522-4700 (WY), or visit www.1800gambler.net (WV).

Hello, world. Welcome back to golf subpar, or I should say, Olas, ladies. Oh, bonjour, signor gray there. Good to be with you. I'm in Mexico. You're over in Paris, France. How's things going? How are the French treating you? Oh, my God, dude. It's been spectacular. We just wrapped up the second annual Bridges Cup.

My first time being a part of it over here at Layboard Golf Club outside of Paris. Now, in the great city of Paris, France, Colt. Um, format, four rounds, 36 holes a day. Three days, three rounds of best ball, one day of alternate shot. Twelve Americans, mid-Ams against 12 European mid-Ams cult. You'd love this event, but it's dudes, it's bros. You're competing. You want to rip each other's throats off.

And then at the end of the day, you all gather around. You have a few drinks, some pops, some great, great dudes on the European side from a bunch of different countries, a bunch of great golf. course is a rural county downs ever heard of it that's in ireland ever been there yeah yeah that's europe that's europe you ever played a little event there little event little event did okay there actually you know what it's like competing on foreign soul by the way the guy that i played with from there great dude um was that your walker cup there by the way great dude very close friends with shane lowry and with roy mackroy as well he was spectacular the whole european team was awesome

I met a lot of great people. Man, we had a hell of a time. The Americans showed up. Cole, you know what? It's like an easy winter on European soil. We got it done. We paved the way for the boys coming to Rome a little later this year. But, man, hell of an event.

Had a great time. Fun to play some competitive golf again. And now I got a few days in Paris to see the sights. There's some protests going on outside. So that's pretty sweet. Shit's getting real out here in Paris. So pray for me. But God willing, we're coming back.

You got your Spanish tuned up. Ola. He heard that. was it down in Mexico? It was great. By the way, I should have informed you before you went over there. I took three years of French in high school. I know absolutely nothing except I believe Jemet-Tush means I touch myself,

which also could go into self-sucked. That could be useful. Run that by me one more time? Jem-Etouch. Jem-A-Tush. I'm just going to say that a lot of place. I'm actually, dude, we're going to Moulon Rouge tonight, which is supposedly some sort of risque little situation over here.

So I might need that term a little later if you're with me. But it was great down here in Mexico. The Mexico opened at Vedanta. Listen, the field was not very strong. Eight of the top 100, but the big dogs showed up. John Rom, two and a half to one favorite, goes out, shoot 61 on Saturday. Could have been a 59, but Tony Fee now from the jump was in control. Absolutely put on a fantastic performance.

His coach Boyd Summerhays told me on Friday, he goes, I could just see this coming this weekend in practice. he looked great. I feel great. He's about to go on a heater. Wouldn't be surprised if he wins this week. I'm like, hey, bud. Maybe how about a little,

how about you talking this before the tournament starts? Hello, we do like to fire on this. As you know, Boyd, a little tip of the hand would be nice. But we had it set up beautifully. The final grouping, Tony Fina had a two-shot lead

over World Number One, John Rom, and Opshe Batia, the young 21-year-old that was just on subpar. The tournament couldn't have asked for a better final grouping. Brandon Wu made a charge in there as well, but at the end of the day, Tony Feene out went bogey free, just put on absolute clinic, 24 under par, wins by four.

His six BGA tour victory, not one bit surprised. Yeah, he's finally getting to shed that label of, like, great player can't close. He's up to six now. Do it against John Rom and the final group head to head with him. I'm sure John Rom, you know, is a little gas still from the Masters, but he shows up when he gets on property colt, like you get the best John Rom every single week. to do that that's got to be a huge confidence builder for tony going forward and yeah the chalk a good week to bet shock if you're a gambler out there tony and rom i mean damn uh you know those two guys showing up

in the finals then oxshay quickly adapting to this uh to her life as well so fun to see him i didn't get to see any of it but uh i heard about that damn near 50 or 59 opportunity i guess from rome what did he catch a bat he flew it into a bunker and it just killed it and he had to pitch out with the wedge or something like that. Yeah, I had to Eagle 18 to shoot 59, which it's very getable. But yeah,

he flew it in the left, fairway bumper and actually plugged under the lip and had to punch out sideways, had eight iron in for his third. But it was something special. I think he made three puts over 25 feet long.

Meanwhile, Tony Fee now just put on a ball striking clinic on, I followed his group on Saturday and Sunday. On Saturday, he shoots 65 in the longest putt he made. It was four feet, three inches. Nice. That's fun.

That sucks and is also very fun at the same time. but it was cool to see those guys battle it out obviously great friends John gave him a big hug after he won Tony had the whole family down here Tony afterwards picks up the W just four days of exhausting golf what's he do last night he's at the par three course here at Vodanta with all his kids catting for them playing golf he's just he's one of the best dudes in the world yeah that's really cool and to do it against like I said John Rom who's one of his closest friends on the PJ tour they traveled again they do it all that's a huge shot of confidence for Tony going forward and yeah if that putter just ever cooperate somewhat at some of these major championships and look out because Tita Green is special. Yeah, good timing. I mean, we're two weeks away from the PGA championship. Good to see Tony rounding into form. But I will have to say another guy that's going to be at the PGA championship. I'm currently in a little back and forth with on Twitter trying to get

him to come on the show and discuss things. But Phil Mickelson, who has told both of us over the years that he would love to come on subpart at some point. Obviously, things have changed a little bit with Live golf and everything, but someone recently on Twitter said that half the world's best golfers play on Liv. And I simply just said, would you please list those for me? Okay, well, that started a whole shit storm

of that I'm hating all over Live again, which I was just asking a simple question, never got an answer. Well, all of a sudden, here comes Mr. Mickelson, chiming in about the world rankings and all of this. We're going back and forth on it. And I said, hey, we happen to have a little show. You don't live too far away.

Happy to get on a plane. Come, we sit down. No thanks. I like it better on Twitter. I'm like, come on, buddy. Greg will sign your permission slip. Come join us. We'll have a good time on subpar. So I'm still working at it as we speak, Sleeze.

I'll let you know. All right. And we've had Greg on as well. So the water's warm over here. We can hash it out who are, and I feel like I'd be a great, I don't call it mediator, but I could be a great kind of, you know,

intermediary, I guess, between the two of y'all going back and forth. Because there's things I like about lift. There's things I don't. I try to just be fair on both sides and say when it's great. for instance, that event they just had in Australia, looked incredible. It looked like exactly what LivGolf wants LiveGolf to be.

I think there's some things with the World Golf rankings that are unfair. I think there's also some things that the LiveGov guys should come to terms with and being that we're joining this tour, we knew what we were getting in, right? So I think there's a lot of things there to unpack. I would love to have Phil on. Always, you know, been a big Phil fan regardless of what's going on out there. So I would welcome that and Phil. We've talked, but yes, please take us up on this invitation.

we'd love to have you, brother. Yeah, it would be a lot of fun. So is our guest this week. This man, a little different lifestyle than most of our guests we have on. He's a professional gambler, professional poker player, two-time finalist at the World Series of Poker Final Table, one of the most feared cash players in all the world

and loves to play some golf, has some incredible gambling stories. Let's get to our guy, Ben Lamb on Golf Subpar. All right, folks, for our golf fans out there, you may never have heard of this man, I guarantee you're going to love him. He's one of the best poker players on planet Earth. What, 2011 World Series poker player of the year?

Avid golfer, possibly the reason why Tiger Woods may never come back to the Genesis ever again, but we got him here today. Ben Lamb in the house. Bimba. How are we, buddy? I'm doing good. She came back from Cabo. I've been there for four days.

Yeah, I don't know if that's right, but maybe a little bit more than when I went down there. You're solid. You look fantastic, as always. You do it too, bud. I think you look great. We got to start with the tiger story because that's the intro. You want to start with Tiger? We got to.

I just teed it up like that. We got to talk about it. That's fair. You, give us the brief version of how you ended up playing in the Genesis Pro Am with the one and only Tiger Woods. Yes, the super brief version is a buddy of mine won it in the like charity poker tournament. Tiger Jam.

Yeah, and he shoots about 230 roughly. Solid. So he was trying to sell it. It's not really transferable. And so I snuck in there and got the transfer because I had to really. relationship with the Tiger Jam before. So you could say how he owed you money. Like that's...

He owed you a little debt. He may have owed me some money. Okay, yeah. Okay, so you slide into the spot and you get to play with Tiger at Rive. What first, dude, you teed off at like dawn. I'd never teed off at 6.30 a.m. Like, the sun was coming up, like, as we were teed off. And freezing balls.

38 degrees, 40 mile per hour winds. And, yeah, I had no chance to... And you had some side bets with some buddies out there. Yeah, buddy of mine, Trevor Pope. I had $10,000. bet and if I made one birdie I'd get 4,000 back I made another birdie I'd get 8,000 back and then every birdie after that would be 16,000 I made no birdies you have to bird you if you don't he and I think we're talking about it was born 40 left or right on one

like if he doesn't get one it's stress it was 140 left it left right on one so like there's no way my ball wasn't going to end up in those trees right so I had to like pitch out whatever I didn't get up and down it's hard after that your buddy Shane Sigsby with caddy free night of the documented it rather nicely. Some of your highlights. Some of your low lights. He claims you shot 63 on the front nine. You know, it's probably not too far off.

You know, I'm not a great golfer, but not very many 63s in my front nines, but hard conditions. I don't know. Tiger effect is real. How was it, though, seriously? Because, I mean, look, there's three people sit at this table. One of us is played with Tiger, and it's not mere slees. Although I think he's asking for that pairing. Yeah.

I think so, too. Did he mention that? Did he mention that? He mentioned you. Yeah, he's been asking me. I just been busy. A dude is awesome, man. Like, he was so nice.

He was engaging and he was asking me questions. I guess he plays a little bit of poker. He says he plays poker on his boat in the Bahamas. I bet it's a big boat. I said, can I get in? He's like, oh, no, no, no, you can't get in that game. It's like, I'll come down and play. But he tried to, I saw it in the videos.

He tried to help you a little bit. Yeah, he was giving me some reads. I mean, he knew about my bed. He wanted me to win my bed. He gave me some reads. He did. Yeah. His wreaths were perfect.

I left both puts that he gave me. My two, like, easily-makeable birdie puss, I had, like, 12-foot and 8-foot. I left, like, a couple rotations short on both of them. Did you guys like... I mean, you had the worst condition. Possibly. I mean, there's blowing...

It was blowing... It's blowing... It's freezing and blowing a million. Tough course. You know, I'm a 7 or 8 index, and so that with 40 mile per hour winds, 6.3 a.m. cold. It wasn't going to be a pretty round.

He loves, like, you know, he's a poker guy, like he told you. I've had some buddies from other sports who have played with them, professional athletes, and he said they, like, pepper him with questions about, like, working out, because obviously he's a workout theme, right? But he loves poker.

Was he, like, picking your brain? I'm sure you wanted to ask him a ton of golf questions. He probably wanted to ask you a bunch of poker questions. He did, yeah, like about five or six, he kind of livened up. And he asked me some questions about poker, but, like, we talked about how poker evolved, and there's some similarities between that and golf,

you know, with all the new software and nerdy stuff that won't really interest your viewers. But it has evolved a ton, like golf has as well in the last, you know, 15 or 20 years. That's sick. That's still sweet. You got a good picture. You got 15 holes with Tiger was.

Yeah, dude. Not your best friends. Yeah. Yeah, we're all bundled up. You look cute. You wore your red pants, by the last. I saw red pants black shirt. I had to wear the red pants.

I thought red shirt was a little much, you know, especially because I knew I was going to shoot 100. So the red pants, you know, I got to do that at least. Everyone that plays with Tiger, pro or not, is going to do something that's probably embarrassing. Like, you're in front of the guy that you've been watching for forever. Give me the low light of the day. Because we got one on Instagram, courtesy of shame.

name. Yeah, no. I couldn't. We were going live on air. I was like, dude, time, time. I banged electrical box hard. Don't have to be anything. I mean, I think it's number six, the one before the par three with the five.

Five, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So he hits a two iron off the T, 40 yards behind me. And I said, well, should I hit driver? He says, can you draw a three wood? Of course I can draw a three wood. Of course.

I'm done 60 on the front. I did. Well, at this point, I'd hit some decent shots. Anyways, I dug hooked it. And he's like, oh, when hit that one? No problem. Duck hooked it in the left trees. and there's an electric box which I didn't see.

I had a hybrid and I was kind of going up and through these trees to the right. I was pretty impossible. But I'm trying to make birdies, you know, so I'm going to go for it. And I didn't see the electric box until I heard it. And it was loud. And it hit hard.

And it went like all the way back behind, like the 30 people in the fairway with the cameras and all his people and whatever. My brother just looked down to show you. He was catting me around the front. No, my brother was. He just like, I looked down and shook his head. He said, what do you want to do?

I said, go pick up that fucking ball. Don't look at it. Don't look at me. We're done with this hole. I'm going to the next T-box where I topped an A-iron. Perfect. I got to get out of this nightmare.

Give me the A-Diron. So after that, I said, right, Shane, you're on the bag. I fired my brother. Oh, nice. Blamed him for the electrical box. Of course. You're a real pro.

He said to me that electrical box? Exactly. You're a real pro. You had a bad shot? You're done. Yeah, grab your shit. And after that, I really just wanted Shane to put the camera down.

So if he had to carry the bag, you couldn't, you know, film this stuff. And I had a little come to Jesus moment I was like if I continue to shank every golf ball for 18 holes this is going to be whole I had I got to hit some good shots you know I played all right kind of back now yeah I played right now you got it around pretty nice somewhere somewhere in the 40s not the 60s at least you know with blowing hard I hit some good shots you played tiger you got a picture with your arm

around him who cares yeah and your best friends yeah probably showing that picture tonight to he's probably like I played with in land he can't wait for the same you know what I mean you're always called sleeves your best friend I mean now you're not my favorite person in the world's different, but he could. Favorite person in the world? For sure. I'll take that. A nice we've had. I love you. Yeah, dude. Talk to me. Do either of y'all remember any of them? We have some video evidence of one that we just sparked up there. I hope you show that. Yeah, that's in the vault. That's in the vault. We're going to get to some incredible high stakes gambling golf stories, but we've got to talk a little poker because it's not your normal

everyday job. And I want to know, like, how did you get started in this? What made you want to get started in it? And what the hell was your parents reaction when you're saying, I'm dropping out of college and I'm going to play poker for a living. Well, that's the funniest part is, like, so when I dropped out of college, I had like eight or nine thousand in my name. Plenty. Well, I thought I was a billionaire, basically.

You know, like, I was like, these, you know, the teachers are making a hundred care of your. I got $9,000 in my pocket. Like, I'm going to be a poker player. I didn't know if I, like, was going to, like, continue on that path, but, like, thought I could make some money and figure it out, and whatever.

College wasn't for me. I didn't like college. And so I just packed my stuff up. I had, like, had all this work to do. And I just opened my laptop. I started to work on it, and then I just closed my laptop, pack my stuff up and drove home, just kind of showed to my parents' house and, you know,

tell them six and a half hours from San Antonio, Tulsa. And the first thing my dad said, like, maybe the third thing in my dad said was like, well, what did you do with your books? I said, I gave him back to the, you know, the store. He goes, you sell them? He goes, yeah, he goes, they're my fucking books. $2,200 in my $9,000 bankroll gone.

Oh, wow, respect. That's nice. That's nice. That's nice. So I lost that money in the first few weeks, got a job dealing at the casino, know, local casino dealing poker. And four or five months later, quit that and kind of came out to Vegas after that.

So you just packed it up and said I'm moving to Vegas? Yeah, when I was about, I came out here for the World Series of Vegas. Where in Scottsdale? 21 for the World Series of Poker. And I stayed after that. I had a decent year, decent summer, made some money. I had a, you know, maybe $100,000, $150,000 bankroll, got an apartment, got a roommate and, you know, been out there since that's 16 years ago now.

So do you turn pro in poker? like you turn pro and golf because basically you could turn pro and golf tomorrow and just say I'm signing up for a local jick and I'm going to play for some money if you cash a check boom you're a pro you're a pro-poker. A committee or like a you know whatever like a draft yeah I think a pro poker players is someone who makes money playing poker like some of the most successful poker players are like lawyers and businessmen who just get to play with other players that are much worse than them like they would not win on like a tough game but they play against you know they're there are

seven handicapped poker player playing against 20s whereas I have to play against you know a lot of pluses. And so, you know, the stakes are gigantic in those games when people are winning and losing hundreds of millions of dollars sometimes. Like crazy stuff happens. Games I have, I would have no access to it. They're not going to let me play. How did, all right, so you get in, you drop out of college, like, boom, I'm going to play poker. Were you a, what makes the best poker player, I guess? Like, you got to know the odds, right? Like math, I feel like is a big part of it. But people can learn that. That's an attainable skill, right? But then there's like the reading of the people. Like, why did you think I can be, you know,

one of the best poker players in the world? What's your, what? What's your superpower? I think my... I don't think he's going to tell us. How do I do it? What am I thinking right now? No, I'm kidding. Go. You're thinking about getting another drink.

You're amazing. One of the things that I think I'm good at is kind of reading people. You know, poker is just like basically lying. Like, when I have a good hand, I want you to think I have a bad hand. All of the ways I interact with my chips, how I put them in, how I look at my cards, how I look at you. Do I take a swallow? Like, all this stuff, you know, is going to give you information. and I might try to mislead you.

A very easy example, like 10, 15 years ago, like when, like, at the very most basic is, when someone had a good hand, they would act super uninterested. They, like, look at the TV and watch the TV. You know, they're playing a big pot, and they're like, oh, you know, I don't care what I'm doing here. And so then, like, I was like, well, I'm just going to do that when I have, you know, bullshit, when I have nothing.

And it worked. And then people caught on to that stuff. And now it's like, you know, a leveling war and it's become more, like, psychological. But I think that's, like, my main thing that I'm really good at is just like reading people and kind of fucking with their mind. Like I say, I say, kind of cussing.

No, it's it. Whatever you want, bud. Do whatever you want. All right. I'm in the lamp. Okay. Anyways, I think I'm good at that aspect of it. The math part is, you know, you have to be somewhat mathematically inclined,

but it's not like, it's not as hard as you may think it is. Like, it's some rope memory and, and then from there, some intuition. Obviously, there's, you can get better at it, but that part's not particularly hard. And then there's a new push in the last 10 years with, you know, kind of solving the game theory of poker, the trees and whatever. And that's very difficult. It takes a lot of studying, something I have not spent a whole lot of time on the last 10 years. They're too busy playing golf with Tiger Woods.

Yeah, I know, right? Yeah. Well, we have our normal Sunday game now, so that's good. Yeah. I mean, like, when was your, you mentioned you had 9,000 in your bank account, you thought you were rich and then your books got taken away? What was the first big tournament you won? You're like, damn, I got some.

I actually got some cash now. So I won a tournament in Oklahoma right before I moved out for like $50,000 or something, and I probably had 20 before that. So that was a huge increase in my bankroll. And then went to Vegas, had a good summer, I don't know, maybe $150,000, $200,000. You know, I was 21. That summer. Yeah, that was a...

We didn't meet during the summer. We met... Right in the fall. Yes, right after that. So we met... Fall of 2007. Never forget it. When you slept on my floor.

Here we go. Here we go. And a little cot. Yeah. Do it. So cute. Yeah. Through a mutual friend, Brent Hill.

And I didn't know you, but my brand said, hey, we didn't have a bunch of money either because me and Brantner were sharing him to win. And I said, hey, I got this buddy. He needs to, you know, he doesn't have any money. He needs to sleep on your floor. I said, of course. Bring him in. You like adopted him. Like a lost puppy.

He was like a lost puppy. He was like a lost puppy. Yeah, he was a little buddy. But it's great. Dude, he did my laundry. You got my coffee in the morning. Good house guest. It was awesome, man.

It was great. Yeah. That's nice to have a little, a little bubble. Oh, boy, why did I ask you to come on the show? This is a horrendous thing. I want to get into some more poker stuff before we get into all the golf stuff. All right, so you're out there. You're playing.

You won the $50,000 one. Every guy in golf, I would say, is the same way. You can remember, like, your bad beats. I got the worst break on this hole. I made double here, a horrible bounce. Give me, it's like some of your worst beats all the way up where you thought you were done. Like, the equivalent of like, I don't know if I can play golf anymore. Well, I didn't think I was done, but like, definitely the worst beat I'd taken, you know, at a young age.

I think I was, this is 2009, so I'd been to Vegas for a year. And I was down to 17 in the main event of the World Series of Poker. And like, you know, 6,500 people and it's $10,000 buying. And we're down to 17, and this guy named Stephen Begleiter. He had, I think he'd worked for Lehman Brothers or Bear Stearns, like previous to like the collapse. Finance guy, yeah. Finance guy. And me getting this pot, he's got the jagged out of diamonds.

I have pocketases. And not to get like too pokery talk. but anyways he raises I re-raise he calls it comes jack nine to five and he and he cracks my aces he you know two pair and that pot would have put me chip leader with 17 left instead I had like a little tiny bit left I exited 14th a little bit later but the worst part about the whole thing was he was like so excited in the moment because there's such a big pot where so much money first was like you know eight and a half million bucks he like came up and he like he was like nice hand he like slapped me my back like very hard and like I'm just here there's like my world's fucking

crumpled in front of me. And now this guy is hitting me, you know, like hard, like hard in the back. Yeah, that was probably my worst beat, followed by getting hit as well. How's your handle that? Do you do anything? I mean, I... Don't touch me, finance guy. I didn't say anything. I mean, the hand was, like, I didn't

care about him. Slap me, but, like, it was a cherry on top, but just, like, losing that hand, you know, it's worth millions of dollars. I didn't have millions of dollars, you know, it's 2009, but, yeah, I mean, it sucked. But to be fair, silver lining, I did cash for, like, a bunch of money, like six or seven or a thousand. It was, like, huge bankroll builder and you know it was all good like you know it definitely was a

movement in the right direction no doubt the poker world wow I had this much bankroll it's crazy yeah well fast forward in 2011 you had a massive year you were a player of the year you make it to the November 9 I'm curious about this because you didn't have finished in third went over four million dollars when you but what's it like for a poker player because I feel like you go and runs where you get good cards you get bad cards and here you are you're rolling in the main event and then you got to take time out and come back in November yeah so that was the year they did it yeah 2011 was it was a weird year man so online poker had just gotten shut down the year previously from the u.s government and and you know there's this gray area for a few years

but so the sponsorship dollars that come way down and they you know what they wanted to like boost like viewers and and like kind of build stories around these characters that make the you know the final nine of the 7000 people so their idea was making November 9 it's so you finish in July and then two and a half months later or whatever you play the final nine I was upset that about it because you know like you know I was good at poker and like these guys you know someone weren't very good of poker they got lucky and they were there so now they got two and a month to study they got study my tendencies I can figure out to play poker and learn a bunch like I've been playing poker for five or six years two and a half months like I wasn't going to learn

too much and and so obviously it was costing me money I thought so for that reason I'd like it but you know for for poker at the time I think it was probably a good idea like as a whole hole but it was brutal man because you know I'm playing for I think that was like 9.2 million for first place I'm guaranteed like 700k or something which is great but like way big difference yeah so now for two and a half months like I'm waking up like literally like nightmares like like me getting aces the first hand and get him cracked or something you know like I wait two and a half months and then I go there and five minutes later I'm walking out you know with zero dollars so they paid you the ninth place money so if you get ninth you don't get any more money it's over and I actually

went on like a down swing during that two enough months too I lost money so I was like you know like sweating it really, really hard. It was rough for sure. That's the first I've heard. Do you study tape on guys? Like, you know, like, all right, people that I'm about to play, they're watching me, they know when I look disinterested, that means I got a monster, whatever. Are you doing the same thing?

I've never even thought about that. I mean, it's definitely evolved. Like, like, you know, basketball players and baseball players, they watch tape of their opponents, you know, playing to try to figure out, you know, solutions for what they do. Yeah, of course. And in poker, yeah, of course. Like, if I think, you watch poker movies and they're like, oh, he's got the tell if he plays with his wedding ring, he's bluffing, like that doesn't exist. But like natural human behavior, you know, will, you know, kind of wear on your face. Like you can see it. You can see like, you know, your feet are moving or, you know, just your fidgety or, you know, you look back your hand a few times. Like, there's different things that, like, naturally humans will do when they're worried. And so if I can watch Colt play a poker hand where he does the same thing three times and all three times he's bluffing, now I hadn't. now I have something.

You know, I have a piece of information he doesn't have that I can use against them. That part's sweet. Yeah. So I wasn't too worried about that because, you know, like I said before, I think I'm very good at, like you can do what's called false tells. So I'll just do the opposite of what you think I would do, like when I'm stronger week and, and, you know, get my desired result, whether it be a fold or a call. Like, I want them to continue in the hand or I want them out of the hand. But I was more worried about these guys who just like, you know, they weren't professional poker players. They played their, you know, Sunday game in the weekend with their.

friends and they were like decent but they weren't very good but now they had two and a half months and they're very very financially incentivized to get better and and there's you know tons of ways to get better there's you know there's books there's videos there's online sites there's all sorts of stuff and it's evolved a lot more since than you know 12 years ago now so they had two and a half months to get way better and I wasn't going to get too much better you know I was I was already better you know so if you sit down with like a table of amateurs dudes that play poker but they're not your caliber whatsoever does it be matter how shitty your cards are will you win that no matter what will you clean that table up no no no

no not at all like the cool thing about poker is like over a big enough timeline over over 100 years the better players always going to get the money over one year they're most likely going to win 90-something percent of time you know over a night you know you might win 30 40 percent of time like or or more i don't know like you get hot man you get good car you're correct yeah like i can't if you just get if you just flop sets and have aces a bunch or you know make your flushes make your straight like What am I going to do? You know, especially I have a good hand when you have a better hand. Like, you know, over one night, anyone can win.

That's, and this tournament, you know, and most terms in general, like, you know, anyone can win the tournament. That's why it's great. It's open that you can play. If you have the money, you can play, almost every tournament there is. You know, I would say, like Chris Moneymaker is the man who made poker a big deal. How did the guy named Chris Moneymaker? That's his God-given name on his birth certificate. He lived 48 years where it was.

And then before he played the main event for the first time, names Chris Moneymaker, won the tournament. And he wins. Yeah, and all of a sudden, poker blew up and everybody wanted to play, and the main event just kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger. It's wild. I mean, obviously, that gets all the attention, but, I mean, there's a lot more throughout the year that y'all have to do to make money, and the cash games are where it really gets in.

Like, give me some examples of, like, some big cash games you play. Like, what's the buy-in? What's at stake? Is it all on you? Do you have partners? What's the deal? So, yeah, I mean, like, sometimes, like, I would say the most, the majority of my cash games, like, I don't really have partners.

Maybe, like, I'll sell a friend 5% or something. something but sometimes the games you get like gigantic and like you just have to take on partners like games i can win or lose you know two three million dollars in one night like you know so what's the buy-in for that uh-huh i guess no no because you might start with like the lot of the private game scene is like everyone starts with like 50 or 100 and then this guy right here who's the big whale gets stuck 500k and he's like okay the blinds are up now so now like everyone has to buy him for 100 or 200 or 400 or whatever and you know sometimes things evolve in in such a way that the games just get gigantic.

And, like, I don't know. Like, I don't have enough money to, you know, be losing two or three million in one night, you know, consecutively. Like, so, yeah, you definitely take on partners. And you can make that, like, a good deal, like where I would get a bigger percentage of my wins than they would have losses.

Like, in these big games, when a guy gets stuck like that, is it just, okay, he has the cash on him, or do we trust that he's going to come back and pay his debt? If it's in a casino, in general, it's, you know, chips on the table. Now, you might have to loan the VIP money or whatnot sometimes, which is kind of a weird, tricky situation.

You know the guy great, but obviously I've been burned a lot, and I think most poker players have. There's in times of my life I've been owed more money than I had. And, you know, you call these guys. I just bought a brand new Porsche, but, you know, they can't bet you. So what do you do?

What do you do? What do you do? Of course, I break up every knee. Yeah, I know. No, no one really does that, man. You play off with Tiger Woods. Yeah. It's not the Wild Wild West anymore, unfortunately.

you know, like, you know, there's some bad actors out there. And, you know, they usually just kind of get kicked out of the games. You know, it's, you know, you take a businessman who's lost, say, $10 million over five years, they're going to keep inviting them to the private game until he doesn't pay. So his easiest way to get out of getting advice is just say, I'm not paying. You know, I lost that last 800,000, I'm not paying. Well, now, now it's definitely not getting invited again. So, you know, it's a tricky situation.

Whoever runs the private game is, you know, is usually taking a rake or something. So they're supposed to be responsible for the money, which doesn't always work out quickly or at all. I want to, there's a little parallel, I guess, with golf and poker. And they're like, I feel like celebrities, a lot of them are attracted to it. And they're like, I play that. I want to go play against the best. Do you get, like, calls from whatever, Hollywood athletes that are just like, you're one of the best players in the world. I want to test myself against you.

That's got to be like the dream because, like, they suck. I'm going to kill them. But they just want to see how they stack up. Yeah. And, you know, obviously a lot of, a lot of basketball guys. some actors, you know, some other sports guys. You know, they all play poker. And I would say, like, when I was younger, maybe like eight or ten years ago,

you would see a lot of that where, you know, some basketball player was like, I want to play against Ben Lamb or, you know, whoever else. And so you get in there and, you know, he loses three or four sessions and he gets out of, you know, he's like, okay, I'm done with that, you know. But most of those guys, man, like there's one actor I'm thinking of it in particular. He's gotten, like, very, very good, like, over the last 10 or 15 years. I mean, these are smart people, very successful in their craft. craft. Who's good? Like you can say the guys that are good. You don't got a funny guy?

Is there anything? One of those funny guys, yeah. Can you say any games of like celebs that are good? He's not particularly tall. You're giving him a compliment. He's not particularly tall. No, that's fine. We know what he's talking about. Yeah. He got a good. When we first started playing with him, man, this was like 2010 or 11 and no, he wasn't very good. And he's, he's a player now, man. He plays good. He's really good. I wouldn't say he's like, you know, like top pro tier, but like he's, he's right under. He plays very well. But that's the dream I got to feel like. That'd be like a guy calling up a tour player and being like, hey, I'm a four. I'm getting pretty good at golf. Let's go play straight up. Because there's no handicap in poker.

But yeah, but there's luck. There's luck in poker. There's no luck in golf. Like, if me and you play 100 rounds, you're going to win 100 rounds. If me and you play poker a hundred times, I'm going to win 74 times or something, you know. 73. I'm pretty good. Oh, you might be really nice.

Let's talk about golf a little bit because you've played in some rather high-stakes games out there in Vegas. There's one man, fellow poker player, also a rather big deal in Vegas, Bobby Baldwin, who you spend a lot of time with. I heard he used to dump truck you pretty good. Oh, he tore me apart, yeah. And is he like the first guy you actually started playing like big action with on the golf course? So, yeah, like I played a lot of golf until I was 16 or 17, and then I didn't really play much, maybe a couple times here with my brothers or family, dad, whatever.

And I didn't play much until I was like 26 or 27. And I've been in Vegas for a few years by then. And we play 100 bucks a hole or, you know, 500 bucks a hole maybe. But yeah, I remember the first time I played Bobby. He said, he said, five a hole. I said, yeah, 500 is fine. He goes, no, 5,000? And I'm like, I never played for that kind of money.

You know, I was young, but I don't want to tell the guy no. I mean, he's, you know, he's an opposing man. You know, he built Vegas, more or less, him and Steve Wynn and a couple other guys. So I played him, and I just won a bunch of money in the year I got third in the May, and he took a bunch of it. Yeah, he kicked my ass, man. We'd go play poker afterwards, and, like, he's a very good poker player, too, but, like, he would bring, like, you know, non-good poker players.

So I won my money back in the poker, but, I mean, he absolutely. stomped being golf. It's just like a ride of passage. Like what was a bad day on the golf course? Like a hundred. Yeah, we play, we either play like, you know, like we pretty quickly got to 10K hole and played primarily 10K hole. He never pressed me when he was down and when I get down I'd be like, you know,

press. And he never once pressed me when he was down. Tell me, because there was one, there's one really good story where a crazy swing happened on 18 at Shadow Creek. Oh, yeah. It was versus him. We were playing 10 a hole, and there was a guy, and I was actually winning this day,

I was winning probably like 60 or 70,000, and there was a guy following us around, and he was bedding on the side. He's been five whole to start, than 10, then 15, and Bobby was going to half shot this hole, and this guy wanted to bet an additional 25,000, and I played poker with this guy,

and I didn't want to tell him no. I said, okay, but he's getting a half shot on 18, that par five we can get there too. So I banged my drive down there, a little fade and I get down at the bottom of the hill. I got like an eight iron end. And Bobby hits it out left and he lays up. And I go next and I hit it to like five feet for eagle.

And Bobby hits this to a foot. So he's in for birdie. So I've got 35,000 on the hole. The biggest hole I've ever played at the time. And if I make my put, I win with a three eagle. If I miss my put, I lose with a four to his three and a half. So now it's $70,000 put. Yep.

You know, I'm either going to win $35 or lose $35. And I, you know, I didn't, I never had a put this big, you know. one put. I had, you know, 20K plus, whatever, but 70K. I was 27 years old. And, uh, I got over the ball and the putter just wouldn't move. I couldn't, I couldn't pull it back. We laugh, but dude, you have 70 racks. I mean, I'm sure you've had it too, man. Yeah, dude. You're gonna feel different. The putter weighed 80 pounds. I couldn't move the thing. And I, and I got off the putter and, you know, my caddy, you know, Nick Polone, you know, Nick, you know, he said, well, you know what the putt does is inside rides, five feet.

You're gonna make it, just hit it firm. It'll go in. So I go over there and the same thing happens. And the guy that's bedding on the side goes, are you worried? I said, yeah, I am. He goes, what do you think you're a mega? I said, I think I am. It's just flutter's not really moving. He gets this putter to move. A better. Another 20 you missed. So he goes, do you want to bet anything more?

And in my mind, you know, it's a five and a half foot putt uphill inside right? Like, I'm my favorite to make this put. And so as a poker player, I'm like, fucking I want to bed more. What are you thinking about another 50? And before I could even like think about it, I said yes. So now I've got Okay Now we're playing in

It's a $170,000 swing And you know This is a lot of money About 18 minutes later Finally I'm ready to put it Maybe 10 minutes later And there was a group Coming up behind us

So I had to put it And I did finally put it It went in center cup It was beautiful Fist Pump What did you do for I don't know if I tiger fist pumped You know

We were friends by then you know I heard it was like 10 minutes It took you to put Like what are you doing He's just walking around And talking to the caddyman Oh my God And you're taking bets

but like what what's happening because if I'm the other dude I'm like hit the bro we're on the clock I would be chirping me the whole time by the way Bobby had already gone in by the way Bobby's very inside he's not even watching he's already inside in care you're just on the you're on the honor system well he's you know because oh he's watching from that chat he's watching across the clubhouse yeah he's just like I'm just going to go watch I would have been right there but but he only had he only had 10,000 on it and you know whatever but the other guy had all the other the side action was the big money and so he was already in there having his crown and crown and officially on the clock.

By the way, 120,000, 170,000 or the member guest doesn't matter. He just gets nervous. You need to admit that. But I show up. You do show up. I show up. But the back off is the thing.

Hey, he hooped that thing with a gris of cash on the line. Yeah. All I know is, you know, just switch subject a little bit. Yeah, you made it. That's clutch. I love the high stakes gambling, but just think, you know, two years ago at the Southern Highlands member guest, the guy riding on the back of our cart,

Taylor Montgomery is most likely going to be Rookie of the Year on the PGA Tour this year. I mean, we basically made it. He might win a major this year. He was looping for y'all dumbasses. So, yeah, he went to caddy at the time. He cleaned Ben's balls. Yeah, he did, you clean my balls.

You'll always have that on it. Do you ever play, you get into all these golf money games which we're getting into right now, I've heard about gamblers' rules in golf where it's like you could have 22 clubs, you can grease your driver off the tea, Vaseline, chapstick, whatever. If you find your bottom,

if it's out of bounds, wherever you can play it. Are there dudes that play that stuff? Yeah. Gambler's rules? So me and Bobby play gambling's rules. Not everyone plays them. You've got to kind of figure it out.

What are the rules in that? No rules? Basically, you don't move the ball unless you want to take a shot. Like if your ball's on the car path, it's not a free drop. You play it from there. And if it's in the crack of the car path, you can move it onto another part of the car path.

So basically, and it's on it gets a root of a tree or something. If you're going to hurt yourself, you can move the ball four inches, whatever. But you really can't. move the ball unless you want to take a shot. There's no, not really any free drops. There's no sprinkler heads. You can drop from a cart path? So you can grease your clubs, but you can't get a drop

from a cart path? Yeah, well, so the rules exist so that there's no arguments. It's very easy. You can't move your ball. And if you want, you can beg me to move your ball, and I'll come over and I'll move your ball from the crack to the other part of the car path. I have to, I have to move your ball if it's free. You give people free from the roots of a tree?

Yeah, because, I mean, you don't want to break your wrist. You can't be it there. Well, you just move it. You just move it three inches. You're still, you're still screwed, but at least you're not going to break your wrist or whatever. Talk. Let's go, let's go through the greasing. Okay. So yes, I'm cured of it for 10 years straight. I'm incurred. Ten years grease free. It's 10 years grease free. So grease is commonly for his grease is basically just like Vaseline or chapstick. Yeah. And if you put it on the face of your driver or really any club, I mean, it'll go straight, high, long. If you hit like a 30-yard cut,

or I guess that's a slice now it'll be like a five-yard cut and it'll go high and tower. It doesn't spin. Yeah, it goes straight and it rolls out. And like people will put it on their like six irons and seven irons. They'll land on the green, it rolls through so it's no good. But I started using grease because Bobby and those guys and everyone in that group was using it and like we were playing big stakes

and I was just kind of like, we're gambling for this bunch of money and this thing helps you. It definitely makes golf way easier than I was like, I'm going to use it too. But then you don't like learn how to actually play golf. Like you're trying to hit every drive you're trying to hit with a 30-yard slice, and it goes straight-ish. And it hit as hard as you can. You can swing your shoes, it doesn't matter. It's going to go straight.

You're going to find the fairway mostly. But when me and him kind of quit gambling all the time, I started playing with other people, and I was playing with Colt. And Colt, you know, was like, what are you doing? And for me, it was like a normal thing. Like, all my golf gamblers used grease. Yeah, I'm greased in my driver, probably. Yeah, like, I'm going to hit a seat.

Shine her up, you know? Yeah. What do you do? Well, here was my argument. is like he's saying he's a seven or eight or whatever he is and I'm playing so he's getting six aside but he's greasing and I'm like yeah but I was a seven or eight with the grease that's that's fine if I lose the grease I'm a nine or ten there's no grease no grease here and so that was a argument for what it's worth but I think I made you a better person

because of this dude I like I've gotten much better golf obviously the last 10 years and like yeah man like I don't think I would have gotten like better with with this stuff it's just a crutch and like it really don't learn much about the golf swing using the stuff yeah it's strictly just for gambling yeah guys that aren't good like i've heard about it and you can play a lot of money it i mean if you're playing if everyone else is doing it i get it then yeah you got to do it and you can play 22 i've heard guys that are like any amount of clubs you want whatever they've got different wedges for different stuff and so back in that time period i had you know the grease days i had two sets of golf clubs on my golf card to shadow creek i had my all my golf clubs and then the

other one was all wedges i had 46 four 48, 50, every two degrees all the way up to 64. Yeah. And me and Nick had gone out there, and we had measured the distances on like an 80% swing on all of them. Like it was a real repeatable swing, you know, took it to here, whatever. So if I was, you know, 71 yards, I'd use the 64. If I was 77 yards, I'd use the 62 or whatever. And I had, you know, I'd probably more than 22 clothes back then.

Yeah. I'm reformed. I have no grease. You're curious. Currently 15 cloves in my bag, but I take one out before the round. That's fine. Purist. We play by legit rules.

We have 14 clubs. Yeah, this week, I'm going to be checking out. I don't want to see a chapstick near your ass either. I don't care how chaps are. I don't want to see chapstick nowhere. I'm not going to name names, but the old school guys, you know, back in the day and the era much before us, the pro golfers, I mean, there's times where everybody claims, you know, they'd see the players like kind of wipe their driver face across their cheek.

Yeah. Sunscreen. A little of this and then, oh, let me clean up my driver. Most nervous person you've ever played golf with other than Tiger, like because of stakes and everything that's going on. I mean, he's, he was for sure. Yeah, he didn't count. Well, dude, there's like the first couple rounds of the MJ for sure.

Like, I mean, I was, I was, I was frightened. That's the answer. He's a very imposing person. He talks mad shit. I don't know if like if you and Phil Ivy, because Phil ain't scared to play for some action, he's not a good golfer, but he'll play for whatever. Doesn't he play some weird stuff too? The problem with Phil is like, like he, he, so he won't meet you.

Like, I want to, like, if the first few times we play, like, let's have breakfast. Let's hash out our game. Like, it might take 30 minutes. might take an hour. He might not find a game. But he just always had me on the first tee and just like, he just like manhandles me and like this game. And so then by the time of it, like I know I don't have the best of it, I was like, fine, a thousand a hole. Like I'm not playing you bigger.

Like, you have the nuts. And I lose my five holes and, you know, see him six months later. Like, I don't know. Phil, he's tough, man. Like, he's so tough. And it's just there's certain people that I know I'm going to lose money to. Like, if we mess around enough together, we're playing golf or poker or gambling on anything, like he's going to end up with the money. So I just try not to game with the guy. I don't know.

But he's so fun to gamble with, too. So, like, whatever, I guess I paid the dues. How much money has it saved you with Taylor Montgomery being on tour now and not home every week? A lot. A lot. I've been paying his rent for... His rent, he lives at home. Yeah, you've been paying money.

I've been paying money. He's been paying money. He comes over. There's a mortgage. I'll play with Ben again. Yeah. No, he's kicked my ass. And the brutal part is he, like, money whips me, too.

Like, even, like, before. before like he's no way he had much money but he'd always want to play bigger than I wanted to play because like I knew I wasn't going to beat him but like I liked him so much like I didn't really care but then he would like try to like he's like press press press and and I don't know I mean he's he's up don't you think that's helped him though to grow up there being around these games all this like he's not yeah he's I don't think he's like I think from the time he was super young and just a little kid I remember hearing about him when my buddies went out and played pretty good game other guys involved out there and they're like there's a kid

coming up, he's going to go to UNLV, and he's really, really good at Shadow Creek, and he's not afraid of the game. He was in way over his head. I remember the first shot I saw him hit. It was three wood off the tips at 10 at Shadow Creek, and it was a little tiny fade, and it just went through the air in a way I hadn't seen a ball really go.

And I was like, and he was 16. I was like, this kid's going to be good. And we played the round. He shot his normal 66 at 16 years old or what it was. And, you know, his college career was less than spectacular, but he's kicking ass now. I mean, it's awesome to watch. He's playing great.

It's all golf all the time. Made ten cuts in a row as a rookie. Yeah. You're going to... He missed the big ones in the $20 million. You're going to win rookie of the year. Make East Lake. You know, I think the blow up at the players was the last weekend.

It might be... That's an all-timer. Cool. That's one in like a few years. We'll have a minute. You talk about that, but at the time, like, that hurts. I'll text them a million dollars. That was a master's invite.

Yeah. That was Masters too. Oh yeah, he would have, he would have moved to between 35th and 40th in the world if he pard the last four. It's still doable, but he would have locked out. The Masters for next year he knew? No. So the cutoff, well, this is going to come out later, but the cutoff is after the match play.

Oh, so if he had not done what he did, he made those eights. He wins. If he would have pared the last four, he played the last four and five over, I think. He had the Masters and a million bucks. Locked. Yeah, but it was funny. What about Ryder Cup? What about Ryder Cup?

Oh, there were more points, yeah. But I texted him. because NBC's covering the event this week, so I'm not there. And I needed to leave tickets for a friend. So I was just trying to figure out who could leave him. And I figured Taylor doesn't have any friends in Austin. Surely he's not using his tickets. I was like, hey, Taylor, can you leave four tickets for a friend?

He goes, this is a career-defining moment. You haven't to ask me for tickets. I love this. Immediately found somebody else. It's like, don't worry. I don't need shit from you as usual. I can't believe he said that. To him?

I don't know. I can't believe he said that. Yeah. He was mad that you asked for tickets. No, he said this is awesome that I actually have to help you out. Oh, I see, yeah. I understand you. You're going to owe me one.

Yeah. O him one? I've done plenty for that. Well, he came down here and worked with you for a week or two, right? Yeah, I've been up to shadow when I was hurt. Spent a couple days with him. He's good, man. It's been really cool to see.

His short game is ridiculous. His putter is a joke. It's going to be. Yeah, he drives it great and puts it great. The other stuff you can figure out. You know? What's the best part about, you know, making all this money? Is it that fine food and wine you get to eat with Shane Sigsby?

It's probably just hanging out with you, man. I mean, if I had lost on my money playing poker, there's no way you would still hang out with me. It's a great point, actually. You catch a cold streak. Yeah, I'm out. Yeah, you're going to get a new phone who it is real quick. We played the member guest for the first time at Southern Highlands,

and we were right in there. We won our flight, but. I remember, I was getting FaceTime throughout. I mean, Ben was a very nervous golfer, and I'm pretty sure I asked every single member if they needed a partner the next year for it. You hit one top seven iron, and a guy never lets you forget it, you know what I mean?

I think I still have the video on the phone. We got third. We got a third. We had a chance. It's not that I'm nervous. I'm just, I'm very competitive. We're down to the final three. You are very competitive.

I'm very competitive. And like, you know, like, it's hard to get down to three people in a tournament. And like, no, there's no money on the line, whatever. But, you know, it's hard to get down to three. Like, I want to win. Like, I want to do everything in my power to win at all times, especially like deep in something, whether you're a poker tournament or golf game or whatever. And so, you know, he had slept, I believe, about four or five hours that weekend.

You were doing good shape. Total. Yeah. I didn't sleep the night before the first round. I felt like I was there. FaceTime, I was like, here we did. And like, you know, like I tried to like be smart about it. Like I get him like real drunk by like 7 or 8 p.m. thinking like by like 11 like he's going to have him to go to bed, you know.

Oh no, no, no, no. It's Vegas, dude. He'd be FaceTime at 3A in the morning, you know, T-offs at 7.50. Finds away. I mean, as James and all the, Randy Headland, all the guys are like, what did you expect was going to happen when you invited him to Vegas to play the member guest? And when you just invite anyone that's not from Vegas, do you live there? So it's like it's old hat when you bring other people in like, this is when I go. This is my, the pedals down this week.

Well, he's pretty much got the, the fall member guests locked up for the next. Hell yeah. Ten years, more or less. It is a time. We're going to win. How about my warm up last year? Can you think you get Taylor back on the back on the back? Yeah, so we were teeing off.

We were out of it pretty much. We had a chance. We weren't. Well, we had to play good with. I guess, no, I'm sorry. We were only two back, weren't we? Yeah. We're fine.

And, you know, T-offs about 8.50 a.m. And here comes cold at 8.43 a.m. Oh, you're showing up late. I did a lot. You like this back. I remember that. I just looks absolutely. Been in the locker room since eight.

Abysmal. I mean, he looks like he's about to die. It looks like he's about to puke in every bush he walks by. And he grabs a seven iron and, like, there's a little, like, there's a little grass area that no one's ever hit a golf ball from in their life. And right in front of the owner, he drops down two brand new balls. hits him into the driving range over the trees. He skanked the first one, striped the second one, I said, I'm ready.

Here we go. And somehow in between barely able to stand up, he hit every fairway pretty much. It was impressive. Fairways aren't a problem. It's a good time out there in Vegas. Fairways. I still put that out there.

Everybody needs a partner call me. Still a free agent. Still a free agent. That thing's a wrap, by the way. Shane's got to bring him. The problem is if you two are both in Vegas for that same time, It's going to be like multiple.

He can't hang with me in Vegas. Shane's going to need, that's a, we've been there again. He's a one night. You know the deal. I really, really hope you guys show some of the video from, from, uh. Ask a little way. All right, let's get to the E9. These things are going so long.

All right. We ask this to everyone. Okay. You can be any other person for a day, dead or alive. Who would you be? That's a weird question. You just kind of hit me with it. Phil Helmuth?

Yeah, dude. No, I'm probably not, surely not. He wouldn't be a bad, bad answer. Yes, he would be. see what was going on in his head. I think I don't only want to be him for like five minutes. Like that'd be enough. Okay, well, you get a whole day, 24 hours.

I got 24 hours. Probably like Leo in like 1999. Or yesterday or today? Or any day? Like Bieber, like 20 years. They all look the same still. Yeah. I guess one of those guys would probably be all right.

Leo? Yeah, that's on. Leo. Yeah, I could see. I mean, our last guest said his grandpa and you just threw out Leo. Well, yeah. I mean, Leo would be more fun than I guys' grandpa. It's true.

Crossword. Crossword. That guy's your grandpa, that was so cool. That's good point. He plays a do- a lot of cool things, yeah. All right,

give me this, because I hear some weird shit out there. What's the craziest cheating technique you've heard in poker? So yeah, I mean, I got cheated for a lot of money, actually, 2011, 2012. Live, or is this internet?

Online games, yeah. Or no, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, live games, like real live games. Okay, that's the one I want, yeah. We were playing in Santa Barbara, and these guys had, like, set me up, conned me,

became my friend and like they got me good man they got me for like a million bucks or something oh um how well so i i found out how after the fact i didn't pay him the last i've only ever not paid two people in my life and this was one of the other guys were 20 bucks and this is we'll let that slide we'll let that skate they got the guy the guy for 20 bucks didn't deserve the money either but anyway so so they they had uh i got the dealer drunk and like kind of like you know like got him to share like i know they're cheating me how they cheated me the guy lied me whatever he told me everything. And yeah, they had a device around their thigh that would vibrate, you know, quickly one through seven or whatever to indicate the seat at the table that was going to have the winning

hand. And they had a little camera that would read the side of the deck. You can go on YouTube and you see all this stuff. It's crazy. It's crazy, man. Like there's so much cheating in private games, you have to be very careful. The little camera read the side of the deck and would find out once you deal the hand, who's going to have the best hand? So if you're the cheater, and I'm the mark and you know that you're going to beat me the hand all you do is not fold you just continue to put money in the pot you might make a straight you might make a flush you might make a pair who knows but you're going to win the hand first me you know you have the best hand and at the table and you know I have the second best hand of the table so when I raise you just call or re-raise or

something and you just keep building the pot yeah and they got me good man they got me real good how does it know how does it know so does the dealer have to be in on it yeah so they can see the cards or however they know yeah otherwise how can you know what cards everyone. Well, so there's like the camera on the table. It might be something like this. It might be like it looks like a set of keys for your Audi or something else. It just you know, it takes like 0.4 seconds or something

to read the side of the deck. There's a little tiny like basically a barcode on the side of the deck that you can't see with your eyes. The camera picks it up. So did you just finally realize like this guy's just being in the hand? Yeah, like so they weren't smart about it. Like thank God they weren't smart about it. They would just play

pots like that didn't make sense. Like they would call 40,000 before the flop with some you know like bottom 5% hand and hadn't played a pot for like 15 hands before that and now they want to play you know this this piece of garbage hand 4-7 off and they're gonna make it straight out of the the quill one of like you know like jack three offsuit or something you know and they just folded forever god yeah that's wild damn yeah

all right next one um best hole in one story or maybe most profitable hole in one story for you two old ones and they're both kind of funny someone tell them both okay the first one's pretty quick the first one i i'd play golf the guy him Eric Blair. He's a poker player out in Vegas. And I'd probably played 20 rounds with him. We never had a whole one bed in our life. On the second par three of the day, he turns to me and says, do you want a whole one bet?

And he lays me 10,000 or 5,000. He's like a scratch. So that's our 82nd par three we've ever played. And the first time we've had a whole one bet. And I thinned a wedge right in the hole. About a groove thin. That's beautiful. Got you.

I've been sick. I've been hustling you this whole time. I've been just waiting. What are you trying to make them before this? Yeah, dude. It's hard to look as bad. as I have for the last 81. And so the other one's more recent.

It was number 12 at Cat. That was seven at Lost Stage Country. 12 at Cascada. Me and my like best friends, like Keith, Reggie, Rory. You know, Reggie. Reggie. We were playing a four on four scramble

against these other guys. And we were playing pretty big. We were playing like, it was 20,000 a hole by this point. We started at 10. Is this per man or team? For the team. So then we were at 20,000 hole.

Eagles are double because we're playing a scramble so it's hard to make you know birdies or everyone making a birdie whatever four and four scramble and we were down like 50 or 60,000 when we pressed

so now we're down like three holes like whatever and it's a par three it was 171 yards uphill into the wind I hit like Retchie hit his to like five feet so like I knew our birdie was locked up

so I'm trying to make it whatever so like I kind of hit a shot I wouldn't normally try to hit like I was purely trying to make make the ball. So I tried to hit like a low punch seven iron draw, which I'm not good enough offer to do that. Right out the electrical box.

Yeah, no electrical box on this whole, thankfully. And it just went right at the hole. Perfect shot. Like I hit it like, it's my first hole one, then, no doubt. It wasn't a very good shot. This one I hit the exact shot I was trying to hit. We couldn't quite see if it was going in. And we walk up there and we see Retchie's ball and Keith's ball way over here.

And there's no ball. I'm like, it's in the fucking hole. It's in the hole. We had made hole in one bet. on the turn. We did not have them on the front nine. And I bet like 60,000 of this guy, 30,000 this guy and 20,000 at this guy. And just hoop it. Two holes later. These are some timely aces. No kidding. Timely. If I didn't know any better. Just vibe vibrating right before you hit the shot. I'm going to say you had some shit strapped

time. I have never not considered myself a very lucky person. And yes, yes, these are some timely aces. The greatest part about it was obviously I made a shit ton of money on the shot. Because now eagles get doubled as well. So that's an extra 40K. It's an eagle. But, you know, like, being with my best friends and, like, normally if I make a whole one, they're getting a bill. But, like, they all made money with me. And, like, it was just, like, made the moment, like, that much purer. Damn, that's nice. Just normal.

Yeah. Pretty typical. It's a little different than when you make it in your local club for your $5.00. Yeah, I had to buy my, I had to buy a Jimmy a beer. Yeah, a little different. The dinner was expensive that night and I got the bill. No worry. All right.

Where do I go here? All right. Give me the one guy in poker, golf, or both combined that you've won the most from in your life. You don't have to give a number, but who's like your punching bag? I'm not answering that fucking question. You're crazy. You don't got a guy? If I had this punching bag and I said his name, do you think he'd play me ever?

It might piss him off and be like, I'm going to change that. And he for sure listens to this. You know what I mean? This is the tells that I'm talking. You know about this, a little reverse psych. You know, maybe he comes in there? Not Taylor. Just say Taylor.

Monty. To be fair, Taylor Montgomery might have the highest winning percentage for me. I mean, like he... You know he tries to give me? What? This is great. And I hope you really listen to this part because it's shameful. What do you think Taylor should give me?

What do I think he should get you? Probably seven and a half a side. Okay, he tries to give me like five and a half or six. And that's not, and by the way, I can't beat him at seven and a half a side. There's no way. Seven and a half a side. At Shadow, I shoot 82 every day. Okay.

Yeah, but that's, I mean, you're in the ballpark, dude. He's got to shoot 67. I mean, it's pretty good. That's not every day. I mean, it's probably close to every day. I've seen him shoot way more 60s and 70s. Way more. Yeah, I mean, he's down.

We're playing Shadow in Southern Islands, you know, like. 67's like, if you shoot. Well, now he's got money. Maybe he'll loosen up and give you a few more strokes. I doubt it, man. I think he's going to die with all that money. He's so redneck. You got to love how Redneck the Montgomery is.

Montgomery's are. He wins all this money. It makes all this money. Now he's rich, you know, millionaire now. You know what he buys? His first biggest fence to purchase? Please, can't wait. He buys a machine.

It's like $15,000 that fills bullets that you can make your own bullets with. Great. Yeah. That's the most redneck thing I've ever heard. That's useful. Well, that leads perfectly into my next question. What's the dumbest thing you've ever bought? I bought a lot of dumb things.

Exactly. Yeah. We had one session. I won a bunch of money. This was actually the year of 2011. So I was kicking ass in cash too. And I'd played, I sold a friend of mine. I think the game is going to be very big.

I filled a friend of mine 10% we'd gone to lunch and I played for like 35 hours straight yeah oh my god like we started like you know 3 p.m. and I went to like 10 p.m. the next day or something I'm getting the time wrong because it was in the morning when I quit around noon or one and I said come pick me up I can't drive him too tired he said how'd you do I said I broke about even

so he gets there and I hand him like his share which was like he hurt 84,000 or something like for his 10% like I've had like a monster session like one of my like to that day, to the day was my biggest winning session. And I said, I want you to drive me to the Jet ski store. And I went and bought $50,000 in Jetki's about four of them. Nice. I never owned

anything. I didn't know anything about the leg. I was just like, I want four Jeskies. You didn't even go to the leg. Yeah. Where the hell is the lake? Is that the one? With all the bodies in it that are fine? I bought a boat later on. I had some fun of Lake Me. A lot of bodies there, yeah. Take me to the Jetsky store. Jesus. And I need four.

You should meet my old cat. I don't know. I need four. No, like two. One runs out of gas. I got two. fast ones and two slow ones you know yeah yeah once for cruising once for speed yeah yeah all right what would be hard speaking of dumb shit you buy what would be harder for you to give up gambling on the golf course forever or louis Vuitton you love both to to be fair i do like louis but like i think i only wear it around you because it's begun the thing i know i don't wear louis that's our thing dude i was actually pissed when you showed up i was like what i know i know i was in cabo you don't bring the louis to cabo but but you know i just wear it around you know because you it's our thing

Yeah, if I don't see the checkers, I'm like, what's he even doing? He's not even trying. I'm not even trying. No, I give up Louie ten times before. I mean, it's gambling. It's still a hit. Half your closet's gone. The Louis jacket at Ariya all time.

Yeah, that was Lil Wayne night. That was good. Shout out Little Wayne. But you can't play poker for no money. You can't golf for no money, in my opinion. Like, yeah. You got to have something on the line. And it doesn't have to be a big number.

You got to have something online. You know, so at least you can talk shit after the round when they pay you, whether it's 50 bucks or more. Borderline impossible to play golf, but let's just go play. Yeah. What are we doing? All right. Next one.

Obviously, when you first started, online poker was a really big deal. A lot of action going on. Have you broken more golf clubs or computer screens? It's not really even close. I don't think I've ever broken a golf club. And I, not computer screens, maybe one computer screen I think I broke on an accident. I watched you break one. How you break one on accident?

You watched me break one? At the win. You punched your hand through your laptop. That's accident. You get a little twitch? Yeah, just a little twitch. It's just a little muscle spasm. The mouse is what breaks the most.

You know, I play basically no online poker nowadays, but the mouse, you know, maybe they're made poorly back then, but you know, you lose the hand and you're just slamming on the table. You know, well, those mouse can only take so many slams, you know, and they get harder and harder. What's crazy about it is, like, I can lose a giant pot in a live setting at a casino. I just kind of like laugh it off and, you know, next to hand. But like if I lose like a pot, like a fifth is big online, like for some reason, like there's just some guy there. I don't know.

He's from Russia and he's faceless and just have this name. And for some reason, I've hated this man, you know, because he's beat me a few pots. And with all the scams in the world, with technology and everything, like I just don't get how you all ever trusted online poker. Online poker back the day was like for sure, like very trustworthy. And as it's become more like decentralized and it's like much of app games and like ran by, you know, like you just, you know 30 people don't play poker and you run out, you set up a little club and they play poker on it. Like some of those are very good and some of those are very, you know, untrustworthy for sure. And, and that's not the only reason I don't prefer to play online, but it's definitely helps. Like online's boring at this point. I don't really enjoy it too much. You know, as soon as I start playing, I just kind of, I'm ADD and I don't really care what's going on. But live, like, you're at least socializing, you're talking to people. And I think that's like a very big thing about poker is like the social aspect is huge. Especially for me, yes.

So online's not no-go. So the answer was computer parts, I guess. Mouse. Yeah, mouse is. We should make a new mouse. It's not. Instructible. Let's do that.

We own that and that's patented right now. Now you're going to break your desk. Yeah, exactly. Made a steel or something. All right, next question for me. Do you think that when you buy a Lambo, it should come with a fuel gauge? That should be included with the land. It has a fuel gauge, to be fair.

Yeah, so. But it's visible? The story you're bringing up is I ran out of gas on my first tank. So, you know, it came with the tank and I ran out of gas my first tank. So, like, the normal cars I drive are, like, German cars, whatever, they have, like, you know, it yells at you. And there's lights blinking, like, go get gas. And the Italians don't do it that way. I don't know.

There's just, like, one little, like, yellow lie, and then you're out of gas. It's bullshit. Yeah, you really should fix that. I agree. Time to get a new one. So where's you run out of gas at that? traded in at that point? In my neighborhood thing. At Steve Yeager come by with a gas tank.

It was great. Yeah, we got the picture. It's beautiful. First tank. First tank. Another great purchase, by the way. Those appreciate. Those appreciate. You know, the jet skis I sold five years later for nothing. This I can maybe make money on. Okay. Appreciating assets, Lambo's? They can be, yeah, if you get them in SRP.

Interesting. Okay. We should look into that. Last question. Have you ever threatened to beat up a baby? This is a question you ask everyone? No, no, this is... You're specifically asking me? You ever thread to beat up a baby? Not that I remember, have I? What about the baby?

Yeah, we were there. What about baby? What about the baby? What about... The baby. The baby. The baby. He's a baby.

We worded that a little. The gentleman in, we're discussing, is 34 years old. Yeah. His nickname is the baby. Yeah. And I love the baby. Me and the baby have been friends for many years, but that night he was a little out of hand. Yeah, maybe I threatened to beat him over.

Dude, that was... I was... I was talking about him. talking to somebody else and I started, get the fuck away from me, baby. Dude, you said baby. You said it before and at the end of every, he's like, baby, I'm going to fucking kill you, baby. I was like, this sounds like a bad beaver song. This is the worst thing I've ever heard.

COVID had just started. We didn't know what it was. He kept drinking my drink. And like, he was just so annoyingly drunk. I had two drinks. He's so annoyingly drunk. I'm just yelling at this kid. Get the fuck away from me, baby.

No, you're like, baby. Yeah, you said baby 72. I was like, dude, he knows his name by now. This guy Joseph Chong is the baby. We know what you're talking about. looked bad. It looks like he's like my boyfriend. Baby, baby, baby. A domestic dispute over here. Baby, baby, get the fuck away from me, baby. I was like,

he knows who you're talking. You're the only good, you're the only guy yelling at him. He's the baby. He's the baby. He's the baby. That was Louis V night. That was a big night. Child abuse. If anyone was just, if anyone just had audio that, they would have been like this is a problem. That was the night. You're going to beat up a baby. Ari had, you know, they were like, all right, you have to leave. And then like, I fought to not get kicked out. I was two drinks deep. And I was about to leave anyways. It wasn't, it was not the Louis night. It was a different night.

I was there for it, and it was weird. And then once I fought to not get kicked out, I was like, well, screw it. Like, now I got to go. You know, now I got to stay and have, you know, 8 breaks. You might as well. Might as well. You got child abuse coming. Benba.

It's been a pleasure. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you, bro. Glad to finally get here. Yeah. All right, well, that was the wild man, Ben Lamb, joining us on subpar. So, ladies, that is a different lifestyle, my man. I mean, just living and die in everyday gambling.

I can't imagine going through that. My heart hit can't handle that. Yeah, that's a different ballgame. I do think I would adapt quickly to the sleeping schedule. I don't think old Bimba gets up before about 10 a.m. a whole lot of the time, so I think I would gravitate towards that quickly. Dude, we talked a good bit about it, but him playing with Tiger at RIV, first thing in the morning, freezing balls cold,

worst situation imaginable for him, and then shooting a thousand with our boys out there, basically video documenting every shot. The one shot that went off the shitter or the trash can or whatever it was went backwards. I was like, we're trying to get Tiger back playing golf, but we put him out in with lamb, was bouncing it off of porta poties and shit.

We got to give him a better re-entry into the game than this. But, man, he's a beautiful dude. He is really, really good at what he does, and he loves some golf and loves the fire, man. But that's just cool to get a peek behind the curtain of kind of, I mean, how you start doing that and become what he's become. How about this one since happened, it happened since we filmed this show,

but he was recently playing at Madison Club with a guy, Big stakes, I believe it was $30,000 Nassau, which ended up getting much more high. Ben, the second day, ends up closing the guy out on 17. So 18 doesn't even matter. The guy's like, let's just play. I'm done all this. The guy hits it to like three feet for birdie on 18. He's like, just write me down for a bird.

Ben goes, would you take 40 to 1 on it? And he goes, I'd take 30 to 1. He goes, all right, thousand. The guy's like, deal. Gets over the putt, standing there for like 10 seconds, backs off, looks at him. he goes, you triple it, I'll put it one-handed. Yes. So 3,000 for 90 now.

This is the kind of shit they do. It's absolutely. There's a quick $90,000 nothing burger hole. Another guy chimes in. He goes, I'll throw 2,000 on it. So now all of a sudden, this guy's got a three-footer for $150,000, one-handed. Okay. He goes, Ben said he backed off a couple times, got over it,

pulls the trigger, wiped the shit out of it, caught the very right side of the hole, went all the way around and ended up going in. Oh, my God. It went in? Yeah, I'm like, God, can you imagine? I mean, he won five grand, which he just won back three grand for me. But I'm like, $150,000, one-handed three-footer.

That seems not worth it also, by the way. Just for me, going to go out on a limb and say the guy doesn't affect his life if he misses that thing. But that's a lot there. So, yeah, shout out Bimba. He can go get another Lambo that he doesn't know how to put gas in and do it, break that thing down quickly. and buy some more Louis Vee, which he loves. I was sweating just listening to this story. He was telling me, like, my God, I mean, I don't know if I can handle that.

Should we go in or should we play one more? I'll just play one more. Okay, oh, three-footer for 150. Nice. Normal stuff, normal dude stuff. That one was a lot of fun, man. I enjoyed that. It's a little different than we normally go, so it's fun to sit down with bin lab.

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Download the app and make sure you use code subpar when signing up and let's get amongst its sleaze. See if we can keep this little bit of heater running. I think this week was obviously a lot of chalk. this week could be a little different. Roy McElroy is making his return. I know Scotty Sheffler, I believe John Rom are taking the week off to rest up a little bit. But other than that, the field is absolutely loaded. So let's get to it.

I'm going to let you do the honors as I scroll back to the odds real quick. Who you like this week? I'm going to give you a guy. I've been banging the drum for forever. Keep talking about how he's not only going to win. He's going to win a ton of times. He's going to win monster events. Eventually, if I keep saying it, I'm going to speak it into existence.

It's going to happen. Give me Cam Young, 21 to 1. Like you said, great field, so you're still getting good at odds on him here. But he was runner up here last year. He plays so well on the toughest venues. Look at his major championship record. I feel like the tougher the setup, the more emphasizes T to Green, ball striking. The harder it can get, the better for Cam Young.

I just think it's coming, and I think this is a great place to do it. We've seen a lot of careers launch, you know, big wins at Quail Hollow. And I think he could be next up. So give me Cam Young 21 to 1, man. I'm going to keep saying it until it happens. Okay, I like that. And I actually liked him a lot. He was kind of who I had the circle, but you said you wanted him.

So I'm going to let you have him. I'm going to go with two guys who are both making a massive comeback in their careers. And I think one of them is going to win very soon. One of them has one on this golf course. And he's my dark course. It's not a very big dark course, but I'll get to that in a second. For my favorite, 28 to 1 great value playing some really good golf, just needs to put all four days together, Jason Day.

Okay. Love the work he's doing. Chris Como. It's a big golf course. I feel like it sets up very well for him. My dark horse, he's only 41 to one, but this is where he broke out on the scene, beat Roy McElroyd in a playoff. I'm going Ricky Fowler.

God, I honestly think that's coming too, man. It's getting good. You've seen a lot of high finishes up there going back to a place with good memories. I like that pick. I'm going down the board a little further, although I feel like this is really good value for this guy. Keith Mitchell going off at 70 to 1.

Okay, that's a lot. He's got two top tens in his last three at this joint, right? He just got in the mix at the Zurich with his boy, Sung Jay, and I feel like another good golf course for Keith, smashes it off the tee, ball striking is great, big venue. That's kind of the place that I, you know, Honda kind of fits that same, you know, where he's won there before. That's a tough tea to green golf course.

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All right, my man. Be safe over there in the riots in Paris. Come home. We need you back in America. That's going to do it for us. Oh, wait. Give me the phrase again in French. I got to write it down.

All right, say it? Gimetouche. Gimeoutche. Gimetush. Gimetus. Gimetus. I'm going to be tossing out around like Halloween candy. Very simple.

When I think about. you, Jemet-E-Tuce. Oh, is that how you learned it? That's how I learned it. I'm going to be touching myself all over Paris, but pray for me.

All right. Oste loego, bonjourno. We'll talk to you next week on golf subpar.