Subpar - Best of Ryder Cup Week featuring Paul Azinger, Colin Montgomerie, Tom Lehman and Tony Jacklin

Episode Date: October 1, 2025

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Today in the press conference, after it's over, he's saying, I think golf should be held to a higher standard of decorum. Isn't that what he said? But in the meantime, he says, F you, FU, FU, in full voice for the world to see. He turns around and says to the guy, shut the F up. The guy in the media asked him today, how did that feel, Rory, to tell the guy to shut the F up and then hit it two feet? And he said, it felt pretty effing good. And I'm like, by which is it, Rory? Is it that golf is held to a higher standard?

Or are you just going to F you the fans and act like that's okay? So I love Rory. You know that. But you can't say that. You can't say the fans need to behave better. And then in the meantime, lay them to waste. You can't be on both sides. You can't do both.

You can't do both. You got to be one or the other. All right, here we go. Welcome back to another episode of Subpar with Colt Nost and Drew Stolson. Who, boy, it is good to be home, sleaze. After a long week at the Rider Cup, we're getting ready to break it all down for you. But first, we are back again talking Fanatic Sportsbook and Fan Cash. Most sportsbooks, their rewards are just fluff.

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Not available in all states. Terms apply. sportsbook app. By the way, we both nailed Tommy Fleetwood as top European sport. We're so smart. Who could have seen him back coming? Well, yeah, both nailed our individual bets during Sunday singles. Thank you to Justin Thomas for taking care of business, plus 115. JJ Spahn, who had himself a very nice Rider Cup. But overall, pretty successful week, I would say, at the Rider Cup. For us, not so much for the Americans.

So let's dive into this, Lise. unless you're not paying attention to anything going on in the world, you'll know that Europe won 15 to 13, but wow, if you just look at the scoreboard, you think, man, that had to been a battle. But you have seven points down going into Sunday before just an unbelievable, I'd say tear they went on in the singles, winning eight and a half points, lost only one match outright. That was Patrick Cantley lost to Ludwig Oberg,

but I think you and I were kind of joking Saturday night, like, okay, this thing's over. Team USA might as well start the party in a little bit and enjoy Sunday singles because this is a dirt nap. And then they came out and there was one point early on Sunday where they were leading the first five. Yeah. And I was like this is going to be. Can we go home early? This is going to be the biggest beating in history and then all of a sudden cool stuff started happening.

Finally for the first time Europe started to miss some puts that they'd been making all week. Finally for the first time the U.S. started making some puts that they had made all week. And I mean, dude, it went from like the two biggest letdown days, I would say, in the history of the Rider Cup, in terms of like the buildup, dude, everything we've talked about, how long we've talked about, everybody waiting on this thing and come out there and just got kicked straight in the teeth. We had nothing. They had everything. Felt like their entire team was having the best putting weeks of their lives at the same time.

I mean, it honestly got comical that times. It'd be like, we'd hit one into three feet. Like, finally, we're going to get one. They're closest to sturdy two feet. What happens? Like, it just went in time and time again. And then Sunday, I mean, I was ready to shut the thing off. I was like, as soon as this is mathematically over, I'm taking a nap.

Like, I'm worn out. and I never got to because it just kept going, kept going. And there was a point where I was like, they're going to do, like this might actually happen. Like legitimately thought it could happen. We'll get to the singles. Let's just go through the entire week because it was wild, man. I mean, all week long, I was talking to the guys early in the week,

and I said, how's the course? Because we weren't there on site yet. And then I got soft, no rough. I was like, that's weird because it hadn't rained much in New York. I actually played Garden City Golf Club on Tuesday. The place was concrete. and I think a lot of us were really surprised how soft it was, considering we knew quite a bit of rain was coming there on Thursday.

They moved the opening ceremonies because of the weather coming in. But then that rain came in, and the golf course just became extremely soft, no rough at all. It was actually better to hit it in the rough, especially with all the wedges these guys were hitting in. We go from a golf course that has a warning sign out front, talking about how difficult it is,

to a pitching putt is what it looked like. I mean, even fore-irons were just stopping right where they landed, turned into a birdie fest. guys were seven under par an alternate shot. Records were being broken all over the place. I just did not understand the setup one bit. The softness, I think, is like what made it. The not having rough is one thing, but once you take the softness into account,

like look at one. People hit in Driver. Every guy out there was hitting driver. Some were trying to press it up by the green. The guys that missed right, especially when the pin was tucked over there, right. Like, that should be a shot you can't get close. You know what I mean? And they were hitting it from the rough, landing at pin high, stopping it dead.

It was just like no pin was ungetable. And how many times have we talked about this when it's just a regular tour event? And we talk about the score. Oh, look at these scores. Look at these scores. If you give them soft fairways and soft greens, the ball stops where they land. By the way, had the ball in their hand also. I couldn't believe it continued Saturday and Sunday.

They're going to destroy anything. Like, you make it 8,000 yards. If there's ball stops where it lands, they're going to kill the place. And essentially, it just made it into a putting contest. And Teter Green, we're actually statistically like right there with them through a couple days. but they just were bodybagging us on the greens. I believe through three sessions is when Dadda Golf put it out. It said ball striking is dead even right now.

They were losing 12 shots to the Europeans putting. 12. That's a big deal. And I just, like I said, I was very confused. Like I feel like overall, the United States is a better ball striking team. I think they drive the ball straighter than the Europeans. So to have no rough was shocking. Keegan Bradley said afterwards, I should have gone with my intuition.

I made a mistake there. And it just obviously he would love to have that one. I'm not saying that the U.S. would have won a third have been four or five inch rough like we're used to seeing it, but I think it would have totally changed everything. It wouldn't have been a putting contest, was it been the biggest thing. Yeah, no question about it. I mean, that's a golf course that just beats people up, beats people up, and all of a sudden are going out there and alternate shot. We're seeing guys shoot seven hundred. Bestball, guys are closing teams out, nine under through 15. You know, I mean, you had to birdie damn near every other hole just to even catch up. I mean, what was it? Scotty, in his four team matches, his team was minus 22. The teams he played against,

were minus 32. In 66 holes. And half of that is alternate shot. I mean, that's sickening. Like, they didn't play, did we put our best? No. It was just magnified

because they were making everything. And they played, I don't know, we can second guess all this stuff we want in the world. Those first two days, we could have been playing Beth Page and soft conditions.

I think we could have been playing Oakmont in firm conditions and the Europeans are going to beat us. You're going to lose. Like, you got to tip the cap to them at some point and just be like, that was the best two days of team golf,

I think I've ever seen. Yeah, you just go into some more numbers. where it's just wild. Like the first day in alternate shot or foursons, Team Europe was 16 underbar combined in four matches, which a lot of people that look up the number, so that's the best they've ever seen.

They won the session three to one. The next day, the Americans go out. They're 16 under par in their four sessions. They lost three to one. The Europeans were 22 under par. Sometimes you just get beat. You can have a plan. It can pretty much everything can go the way you want it,

and you just lose. The one big question that Keegan Bradley got was Colin Morikawa, Harris, English, which I don't mind rolling them out there once. I know Data Golf claims when you type everything in and you do all the numbers and everything, they were number 132 out of 132 possible teams for the Americans as far as strength. And they got put out there. They lost five and three the first day. The biggest shocker of all is they trotted them back out there again on Saturday.

They lost again, three and two, I believe. That one surprised me a lot. You and I play professional golf. It don't matter how perfect your plan is. Sometimes you show up at a venue, at a tournament, and you just don't have it. And that's where I think adjustments have to be made. I know there's plans going on. You never planned on getting your ass whipped.

But when you do, how do you make an adjustment to turn this thing around? I thought, I'm guessing, I don't know this for sure, but I'm guessing Cameron Young probably wasn't scheduled to play Saturday morning. But after his performance Friday afternoon with Justin Thomas, they're like, we got to put this guy in. He's rolling right now. They put him in with Bryson DeShambo, and he went out there and they played great. He was the spark play. He was the best player on our team this week. It was pretty incredible what he did, especially going down to the singles and what he did on that last hole, which we basically had to have.

And we'll get to that. But trotting them out the second time, I think is like if you're going to play Monday morning quarterback and stuff. But we all said it when we first saw it. Like, whoa, I don't know about that one. They just got thumped. Oh, and then they just happened to get matched up with the exact same team that killed on the day before and then they did it again. Meanwhile, you got a guy like JJ Spahn who went out in the afternoon on the first day, played great. I bet, get him out there. I think you audible out of some

of these groupings. I know you got to plan and things like that, but there's a certain thing like who's playing well in the moment. I think there are other guys playing better than Calmorekow and Harris English. And to go on the 132 out of 132 thing from Datagal, which is getting a lot of attention, that's something. I think that's not nothing. Dat is there for a reason. They seem to use it really well. We went with our gut on this one. It didn't work. But the number one team that we could pair up in that deal was who? Scottie and Bryson. And they went out.

They went out in foursums. Yeah. And they lost. Yeah. So, I mean, it's not like a guarantee you put your most optimal teams out there that they're going to get you a point. I believe Scottie and Bryson were the most, were the number one team in foursums. They went out in four ball and they did lose. But going back to

JJ Spahn, like he's a guy, I couldn't believe. Just going in it. I was like, he's going to play foursums. He's going to play alternate shot because he's one of the best ball strikers in the world. He drives it extremely straight. His iron play is phenomenal. I knew him and Scotty were going to go out in the four ball, but I was like, dude, why wouldn't him and Scotty play foursomes?

Give Scotty a bunch of opportunities, vice versa. Scotty giving him a bunch of opportunities with how he putts. The match they lost in the four ball was against Tommy Fleetwood and Justin Rose, and that's the match you were talking. They were 9 under through 16. Tommy and Justin were 11. I mean, what are you going to do? That doesn't make that a bad team.

No, it doesn't. They could have won five and four against another team. So sometimes the win lost doesn't necessarily tell the story of like, are these guys good together? Are these guys in good form? But I was really surprised with the second run of the Moracawa English. Because just watching them play, you didn't even have to know anything about the data golf stuff.

You just be like, nah, they don't seem to quite have it. You mentioned Cam Young was the best player. I think someone that just went way under the radar because all was talked about was how bad certain parts of the United States was. But Sandra Shafley, also just sneaky, went three and one. One with Patrick Cantlay Friday morning. He was the only the bright spot. Goes out there in singles.

And his match hardly got shown because he was in control the entire day. All these other matches, 10 out of 12 went to 18. He beat John Rom, four and three. Yeah, John Rom, who was a monster in that thing. Through three matches, I mean, at the end of the day, I guess big picture is you look at the European team, they had three monsters heading in in terms of form and just how they're playing. They had Roy Macroy, Tommy Fleetwood, and John Rom. Those dudes showed up and put a lot of points on the board.

You could throw Tyrell Hatton in there too and that grouping. Look what their superstars did. I can tell you what they did. And then look at ours. Like we were looking for them. Where are they? And like ends up being, you know, Xander you could say showed up.

I put him in our superstar category. But Cam Young was the next one up and he was a rookie first timer. Yeah. Scotty Schaeffler was one and four. Bryson DeShampo, one, three and one. But those four guys you mentioned for Europe, Rory, three, one and one. Tommy, four, one and oh. Ram 3-1-0, Hatton 3-0-1.

By the way, you add all that up. Yeah, what is it? Those four earned 14 points, which is what they needed to retain the cup. That's it. I mean, Luke Donald looks like a genius. It puts these pairings together. They go out and beat people's heads in. But, like, it's just sometimes you run up against a juggernaut.

And that's what we did for two days. That was a, I think that team beats anybody, any pairings, any golf course, all the stuff that we're guessing, they were second-guessing. And it just doesn't matter. And look at their horses, which is what you need. showed up. Yeah, I can tell you this, though. Sunday was about as most fun as I've ever had being on a broadcast.

We were there for the call for Sirius XM, and it was insane. I was sitting there in the booth going in. I was like, this is going to suck. This is going to be miserable. They're going to close this out in the first like hour and a half, two hours, and then we're just going to be sitting here, filling time for four hours, talking about matches that don't mean anything. Boy, was I wrong?

Because the United States, you could just feel it. A couple of pups started going in, a couple of comebacks were coming. Bryson was five down through seven holes to Matt Fitzpatrick, got back in it. You mentioned Cam Young, Justin Thomas. So many of the guys coming up clutch there at the end to make it interesting. And then I was like, holy shit, you look at this. There's a lot of red on that board.

I mean, there was no blue at all. I was like, this could possibly happen. But then at the same time, I was texting with you. I was like, this envelope rule. Where Victor Hovlin couldn't go. So our guy was Harris English. Couldn't go. They don't play.

Each team gets a half point, which they only needed two and a half to retain the cup at the start the day. Now, boom, before we even tee off, they only need two. Two to retain. I was like, this is going to end 1414 and we're going to have a massive problem on our hands. Let me just say this. This is not sour grapes. This is not I'm pissed off the U.S. lost or anything like that. That is a donkey shit rule. If it was a completely reversed situation, the U.S. was just dumping on the Europeans. And we, and one of our guys couldn't go the last day. And they had to pull a name out of an envelope and they got a half pull. I'd say that's a horrible rule. I don't care which side you're on. We lost. That's a bad rule.

that needs to change. And no other sport, no other competition in the world can I think of where you get rewarded for not playing. And it's a reward because there's a finite number of points here. You just said, 14 retains, 14 and a half wins. There's a limited number of points here. When you're giving them a half, a half matters, especially when you have no margin for air as a losing team heading into the final, heading into singles to make up ground every point you got a half. I just, this isn't sour grapes. I don't know if it's a substitute guy. if the team that loses a player has to just forfeit the point because we're ready to go, you're not, why should we get to split?

I mean, Victor Hovlin got the same amount of points for his match as Bryson DeShambo. That was Fries was fist-pumping celebrating. Like, a half-point matters. I just, that's a horrible rule and that's not sour grapes. Yeah, I believe the rule got put in place in 1971. Since it got put in place, it's been used three times. The last one was 1993, where Sam Torrance actually couldn't go for the Europeans. And the last few times it got used were very close rider cups, 91 and 93.

91 Steve Pate couldn't go at the war at the shore, which people were saying, you know, obviously that half point put them over the point threshold they needed. 93. 93 is the last time the United States has won on the road. So, yeah, it's coming to play. But I think for us, you just really don't think of it. And I learned more about this rule, actually, before I just came in. So you don't pick the person to put in the envelope the start of the week. You do it Saturday night when you're doing your singles.

matches. So Victor obviously was a guy that was kind of questionable going in. I was a little surprised with how Colin Morricow was played. Like he wouldn't have been the guy in the envelope. But either way, I was shocked to learn that. I think the rule sucks as well. I would love for it to go away. I would be all for both teams carrying 13.

That way if someone gets hurt, I would actually be forward to. If you can't go, you lose the point. That's how they do it in the Solheim Cup. I'm fine with that. The President's Cup's the same way as the Ryder Cup, but they have never used it in the history of the. President's Cup. And speaking of that, I got a little thought here for you. Feed me.

Because the Ryder Cup is every two years, as we know. The President's Cup started in 1994. The last time, United States won in Forest Oil, was 1993. Now that the United States is playing these team competitions every single year. Since the President's Cup started, Sleece, the United States is 4 and 11 in the Ryder Cup. I think it has a lot. to do with our performance in the Rider Cup. One, I think we tip our hand at a lot of our possible pairings, which it's not hard to figure out a lot, but you still see certain things that you might not see. Like, we have no idea for the most part, like who they're going to roll out. You just go off what happened two years ago. Presence Cup. The Russell Henley-Scottie Schaeffler pairing is because

of the Presence Cup. They got linked up there. They went out and dominated. They're like, oh, boom, there's a team. They're good friends, all this. I get it. But the competition at the President's Cup is nothing like it is at the Ryder Cup. It's the U.S. dominates it. They go out there. I think you get a lot of confidence in certain pairings where it's a totally different situation. I honestly think Europe benefits so much from having an entire two years in between events to get ready for it in prep.

It's all that. Like, Keegan Bradley just played on the President's Cup last year. Whereas Luke Donald, he's thinking, sitting at home thinking, okay, what can we do to make this better, whether it's better mattresses, better sheets, fixing a, a crack in the door, everything. Champo. I mean, everything. I just think the President's Cup is a detriment to the Americans for the Rider Cup.

And I think they need to rethink this thing. I know it makes money for the PGA tour. I would love to see a way where maybe it's with SSG. I don't know, where the PGA tour and the PGA of America come together to run the Rider Cup because I know the PJ Tour wants a piece of that pie. Of course. I mean, I've been trying to buy a piece of the Rider Cup for forever. That's why the President's Cup exists.

But the President's Cup sucks. It does. And it comes around and we try to make it into a thing. and it's not. Like, it's not a rivalry. Like, no one, it has one tense, the attention, the passion that the Ryder Cup has. So I don't necessarily disagree with you, like that we don't need the President's Cup. I would say if there'll be people on the other side of that argument saying, like, no, dude, that's like a practice for the Ryder Cup.

We get to try out pairings. We get to try out teams. We get to experiment a little bit. And even then the competition isn't as good. And obviously the tournament doesn't matter as much. But if we just said, hey, no more Presidents' Cup, which won't happen because of what you said with the PJs or it, they like making money. But I don't think anybody would be heartbroken.

And ultimately, I think what Europe does better than us, it's so hard to, like, put your finger on it. But one thing I do think matters is, like, you look at not only their team, they had 11 of the 12 back, right? But like, they're captains, the people that are involved with their team and the pairings and putting everything that goes into it are like the same dudes. Year after year after year.

They're there for a long time. There's like continuity there where it's like we come in, use Aisinger, for example, because we got an interview coming up with him where he talks about it. He put in a system, the pod system. It got a ton of praise. It worked and we win. And then a new captain comes along and like, we go away from it.

And then we go back through another captain the next time and they do their own thing. It's like we're always changing our formula in the way we do things. How we pick, how we pair, data versus gut. And I feel like the Europeans just have, here's our formula. This is what we do. Everybody's on the same page. That's my, like, I guess, big picture what they do better than we do. My question would be, because you listen to the Europeans and you heard a lot of it from Paul McGinley.

saying we on the broadcast because, you know, he is a part of the team. He's a part of the strategy for team Europe. Has Paul Aisinger been involved at all since he was a part of the winning Ryder Cup team? You're going to hear about it. It blows my mind. Like, I feel like every captain wants to have their Pauley's A Zinger moment because Paul got so much credit for doing that. And now every one of the other ones is like, oh, we don't, I'm going to come up with my own thing and get the credit. Why don't let's, why do we keep Paul around, guys?

Exactly. Like, why wouldn't we? Look at what Luke Donald did in Rome. He wasn't even supposed to be the captain. Came out, did a phenomenal job. They win going away. What'd they do? Hey, run it back again. Whereas Zinger, exact same thing. Valhalla, does it. The system works. Incredible job. Next time. New captain. That's my point. It's like, we change things up every single time. We're constantly juggling the way we do all the things. I mean, Zinger will get into it. But he's like, I didn't even make captain's picks, dude. I had nine guys in groups of three. And I said, pick your guy. It's on you. I gave owner. I gave owner. to the team. It's like, this is how the seals do it. This is how military does it. This is how big corporations, Fortune 500s do it. He's like, I took all those things that the most successful groups of people I could think of do things. And I applied it to the U.S. Ryder Cup team. And it worked. And then we're like, scrap. Yeah. Like, that's where I think we mess up. Europe does it same, rinse, repeat every single time. Does it work every single time? No, but their formula is the same. Well, while we're on the talk of captains, let's get zoned in with our friends at Zone Nicotine because no one in the last two years has been more zoned

in than Luke Donald. Back-to-back winners of the Ryder Cup, as you mentioned, came in on short notice when Hendrik Stinson went away for Liv, came in there. They were massive underdogs over in Rome. He put a clinical performance on when you come to being a captain. And no surprise, they ran it back. Also, I've heard Slees that going forward,

or maybe this happened several years ago, Europe will never have a rookie captain on the road, which I think is huge. And that's why one thing, I think when we look forward to 2027 over in Ireland, I would be perfectly fine with letting Keegan Bradley run it back again. I know it didn't go the way he wanted. No one poured their heart and soul into it more than Keegan. He made some mistakes.

He can learn from it. And I think he is, in my opinion, the man to go over to Adair Manor and try to win for the first time since 1993. Yeah, and to stay on the Luke Donald thing for a minute. I think he may now, I don't know what they'll do with him going for, whether he'll run it back again or not. But I think he may go down as like the most well-respected, successful European Rider Cup or ever.

When you look at his record, he's 70%. He won 70% of his matches, which is like sickening high, played in a ton of them. Then he goes and takes the captaincy late in Rome, wins. Now he does it on foreign soil. Hardly anyone's ever done that one on both sides. Like I think he's cemented himself on like the Mount Rushmore of European Rider Cuppers, like with Sevy, like with Sevy and some of those guys. And we'll see what some of their other guys that could be on that mountain if they get their chance to be captains going forward from Lube. Yeah, the question is, I know all the players who want him to run it back, but for Luke, it's like,

Okay, I'm 70% all time as a player. I just got passed by Tommy Fleetwood, who's 70.6, which that could change because Tommy will be on another team. I just won at home and on the road. I could kind of just ride off into the sunset, be a strategic partner of the team and just kind of sit in the background, let somebody else handle it. But I don't know if Luke's like that. I think Luke loves doing this. And he doesn't like, he doesn't miss a beat. We mentioned the shampoo, the sheets.

I mean, everything. They make sure they don't miss a thing. Every little detail. What can I do to make this team be at their best, to give them the best chance to win? And he does it. So I wouldn't blame him if he said, I'm done, but also wouldn't blame him if he said,

let's run it back again. I'm pretty good at this thing. I mean, winning on the road at Beth Page, too, with all this high, that's kind of like the Jordan fade away against the jazz. Like, that would be the ultimate walkoff. That's the John Elway helicopter into the end zone and the Super Bowl. Like, boom, you can't end it better than that.

I hope he comes back and I hope it ends up just like Jordan on the Wizards. You know, I'd like to beat him. At some point, but I wouldn't, like, if he leaves right now, like you can just go ahead and stamp him up there in like the all-time European Greats, Riter Cup, player and captain. Yeah, but thank you to Zone for always your support of the show. Also, the event we did at T-squared on Thursday night was fantastic up there. Had a blast with Jimmy Walker and everybody that came out.

That was first class the all the entire way. Before we get to our guest, we got to talk about the fans. Yeah. Up at Beth Page, which was a big topic of conversation. Obviously, we knew going in, The second this got released that it was going to be at Beth Page. Everybody's like, oh, boy, that's what I want to be at. That's going to be insane.

The New York fans are so passionate. They can get a little while. They're not scared to say some things. But a lot of people, I was in the booth. I wasn't out on the course, so I didn't get to hear a ton of it. But it sounds like there was a lot of people that crossed the line out there. I'm all for cheering against the team. The occasional boo, applauding when they hit the bad shot.

But when you get to wives, girlfriends, family, that's all. That's over the line, man. I'm sorry. I don't agree with it. I saw Tom Watson came out and said he apologized. He was embarrassed to be an American with how they acted as fans. A lot of people saying they took it too far. And I think a lot of it might be partially our fault of how we talked about this Rider Cup,

saying how crazy the fans are going to be. How rocks it's going to be. But at no point do we ever say, get disrespectful and insult people. Yeah, yell about Yuri's wife at the top of his swing. Yeah, but I totally agree with you. Like, what are we doing? Yeah, it's like some dude smacked it as a bad look at the whole thing. They were tossing people out.

But I totally agree with you, like us included because we've done the same thing. But you go on golf channel, go on any of them. Like, that's all the talk has been. Can you, New York's going to let them have it. New York's going to do this. These fans are ruthless. Go back to, you know, the U.S. opens and things like that. And all of a sudden, I think the guys show up, like, feel like they got something to live up to.

Like, we can't disappoint. Because Friday, honestly, I was out there on the course, walk with the groups. Like, I didn't think there was, A, that we weren't winning anything, right? So they were pretty quiet. But I didn't hear one. like out of, and I didn't follow Rory's group. I was with Fleetwood group, but like I didn't hear anything. When I got done, I was like, dude, it was quiet.

Like, there wasn't a whole lot of anything going on out there. And then Saturday afternoon is when I think it really like ramped up. Well, the tone got set Saturday morning. You and I were on their show. Oh, that was a disaster. By the way, you did a fantastic job as host. I want to give you some credit for that. Thank you.

We had a blast on that. Your first time. Maybe the bad luck, though. One and three. Yeah, we called it beautifully. Yeah, good point. Well, my Jim Nance texts me. He's scared to death.

you might be coming for a job. Hey, Jimmy, pack your shit. New sheriff in town, buddy, boy. But you and I got out there at 5.30, 5.45 in the morning. We're on at 7. Start working our way towards the booth, which you have to walk right by 1T, 18 green, all the way down 18 Fairway.

And the crowd was going on Saturday. Friday morning, I expected a lot more on the first tea as far as just the atmosphere, people being pumped up. I thought the stands were a little too far away for the T-box to get a real, like, real close, up-close and personal interaction. for all the fans. But I was walking and I hear this lady on the microphone and she is just screaming like, we got free shit.

Stand up and get effing loud if you want some free shit. And I'm like, well, this is kind of aggressive. It's 6.30 in the morning and there's kids here. Like, why are you yelling these things? And then we've been saying all along, we need some chance. Well, we didn't get too creative with the chance, Miss Heather McMahon. We just had some players' names involved. The fans weren't really having it.

until it turned to F.U. Rory, which the crowd caught onto very quickly and actually enjoyed singing along with. We're good with the three-word chants. USA, F.U. Rory. I was walking out there win that. She tried to start the, we will rock you. Scotty, Scottie. And after like one attempt, they just started booing her. And then she's like, all right, let's go to something easier. And then she went with the FU. Rory. And I was like, like, dude, there's like kids. Like, it's one thing if fans get weird and drink and like yell that, they don't have a microphone. in front of them. They're not in front of 10,000. They're not, like, setting the tone for the whole day. It's such a bad. What was her name?

Heather McMahon. Heather, Heather McMahon, not going to work here anymore. She didn't. She stepped down and apologized. But after the Scotty thing failed, I don't know if it was her or the other gentleman that was down there with her, but they were on the mic. They're going to try it one more time. If this doesn't work, we want to go to some Bryson Desham Dush chance.

I was like, weren't you supposed to be? He's on our team. He's on our team. What are we doing? Yeah. So I blame them. They set the tone. That was a weird environment. I was walking.

Same thing. Right behind you. I was like, this is not going. Just play some music, you know. Play some Toby Keith and let's get the thing going. The DJ booth.

Okay. Let's play some patriotic songs. There's so many of them. Play songs that get the crowd pumped up. John McGinnis and I were laughing. Right before the first match walked on to the T, Pink Pony was being played. I don't even know if that is.

Listen to it. Okay. I think it's about an establishment. I did hear Toby when I was out. out there. There was some of that. Sweet Carolina's stuff like that where just everyone screams it. Yeah.

That's good. I mean, it's not that hard. No, they're looking for a reason to go. Should we put ourselves out there again for a hate? I don't know. I feel like,

we're available. I feel like, you know, that ship has sailed. We would have been contacted if that was something they were into. Go, Harry McMahon. Going back to Roe.

I'm not going to be back at a dare manner. Yeah. Going back to Rory. Like I said, the wife thinks, I mean, the personal stuff, no,

it's not right. but Roy's the guy, first off, he's their best player. So he's always going to be the target. I mean, we had Colin Montgomery, who we were going to sit down, we sat down with last week. He was a target for the American fans. But at any point, do you think Roy brings a lot of this upon himself, not the family stuff, just being the target with screaming FU, FU, FU,

and pointing into the crowd. I know he was, he's very passionate and stuff had already been. and said, but then turning around and saying, shut the F up to the crowd over a shot on 16. And then he stuffed it. Flip the bird, the number of times out there. They asked him how, how did it feel to say shut the F up to that guy? And then Stiffy goes, it felt really effing good. Afterwards, they're going across the bridge there and all the American team members of the

team names are displayed. He takes the European flag, points to Bryson DeChambo's names, laughs, and then covers it up. Like, you bring some of it on yourself. And then the video to Trump and stuff. It's like he sits there on one hand and says like, golf's better than this. We've got to have more respect. We're way across the line. And I get it.

You were getting some way out of bounds stuff out there and you were probably at the end of your rope. But then you can't out of the other side of your mouth start saying, FU, FU, FU, F you. I mean, Paul Aisinger gets into it. He says the exact same thing. He says it beautifully. Also, Rory was like the one guaranteeing victory coming over here. Like, you're going to be the guy that gets all the attention. Does that justify all the horrible shit that was said to him?

No. Like, a lot of that stuff way out of bounds. but like you also like you play a role in some of it. You can't criticize them for crossing the line on one hand and then on the other hand be like a few, a few, if you can do all other stuff. It just seems like how does that not blatantly obvious to anyone that would be coming.

And I just want to say like this wasn't the entire New York crowd, the entire American fan base. This was a very small percentage of people that crossed the line. And I think they started doing the right thing. And they're like, look, just like y'all do at the WM Phoenix Open now, zero tolerance. Like you do something personal, something that pisses off fan, like you're, or pisses off a player, you're out.

I'm all for you, you know, calling a player a bum. You suck, whatever. Before the shot, after the shot. I'm fine with it. When they're walking into the shot, show some respect, man. You cannot be a part of the reason a shot or a match doesn't go a certain way. Yeah. So I said going into the week, do everything, keep it within the lines.

And then as soon as they're in the shot, because I don't want any excuses. You know, I wasn't expecting us to lose. But I was like, I don't want them to say like, oh, I'm 15, top of my swing. That's why I hooked it, you know, and things like that. And Rory was having to back off a lot out there. But if you want to have a monster event, a monster event of any sort, sports, concert, name it. And you're going to have tens and tens of thousands of people out there.

Good luck. And your serving booths. Like, good luck keeping every single person in line. And that's the problem is that, like, 99% of those people out there could have been well within the bounds. But there was a little group here, a little group here, a few things here, the guy that slapped the cup. And all of a sudden, the whole group, the whole place.

is terrible. And golf is the only sport where you can actually hear them. Go listen to what's said at a football game y'all at the players, but it's not dead quiet and they're not 10 feet away from the guys that they're talking to.

And the ball doesn't occasionally go into the crowd and you have to go play it from there. Yeah, exactly. They're not walking up to the nosebleeds to kick a field goal. Can I say one thing that was a total miss by everyone involved,

whoever was in charge of this? The cherry fizz drinks that came in a limited edition cup with a little squeaky rubber duck. Hard to believe that didn't work out. What the hell were you all? thinking like here's a little duck by the way you squeeze it it makes noise and they're doing it in people's back swings like how the hell could you ever stay like oh this is going to be great

hey come get a Coors light it comes with a cowbell like what do we do we get an air horn if you buy if you buy a if you buy a transfusion yeah that was that was not well thought out for all the things but hey they gave us a run or we gave them a run at the end and i was ready to pack it in as the most disappointing rider cup in history they showed some balls and i stand by this if there's no rule if Victor Hovlin plays there's I mean Harris English can go beat anybody in the world at any given time and then that comes down to it Shane Lowry's put isn't for 14 it's for 13 and a half and at that point we could have still won the Sam Burns half at the end that he got when he was one up and at that point the cup had been decided they got to 14 and a half not conceding that putt on 18

to where they pushed that that's after he just gave one on 17 to Bobby McKear that would been 100% you would have to put that I was waiting for Bobby to be like pick it up made it look 1513 instead. I don't know. If there's no envelope rule, there's a real, real chance we push that Rider Cup.

There's a story just like that that comes up with our interview with Colin Montgomery and Tom Lehman that involved the great Payne Stewart. These interviews are awesome. Just want to give a shout out. It's an honor to cover the Rider Cup. It's the biggest event in our sport by a long ways.

It's one of the biggest events in all sport. It's always a pleasure to be there. I wish a few people didn't ruin it for everybody else. It sucks. be loud. It should be passionate, but it should never be disrespectful. Can't wait to go to Ireland and see it at a dare manner. Get our ass kicked again. The United States have some things to figure out. Let me put you on the spot here. Yeah. 2027. Who's your captain? I mean,

it's Tigers to, if he wants it, right? I think this is, this is, A-Singer gets into this as well, too. He was like, how could you not have been considered to run it back? How can you, how do they, how they not approach you to do that? He's like, there's more Ryder Cup captains than there are rider cups. He's like, how could Stuart Sinkman have been passed up right now? How could this guy, and he names a bunch of names. It's like, it's such a huge honor to be the captain that it's like, if you put a guy in place for two, three rider cups, like that just dwindles the list down. So I think it's Tigers. Hey, who cares if you're winning? And I think he'll take it. I think it sounded like he wanted an away game. And he might, you're going to get an away game if he wants

it. And there's a lot of people. You mentioned Stewart Singh, Justin Leonard, who's got one of the most famous puts in Ryder Cup history. Fred couples, done all right over at the President's Cup. No, it's not the same thing, but people love him. I think the big thing is your players have to love your captain. And Fred Couples is one that's never been a Rider Cup captain. A little surprising, but I'm interested to see. I wouldn't be surprised if they let Kegan run it back. But if Tiger says he wants it, Tiger's going to get it. Yeah. All right, well, let's get to our interviews here. We were at on location all week down at Five Iron Golf Club in New York City. Beautiful spot. If you're ever around, go check it out.

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Full details and policies available at OnLocationexp.com. Let's go out there now. First interview, Paul Ezinger. Hello, everyone. Welcome into a very special live golf subpar here from Five Iron Golf. And a huge thanks to OnLocation here. OnLocationexp.com. If you want to go to a dare manner. Yeah, you know, I'm thinking I might go to that. I love Ireland, and, you know, we need to win a big one. We need to, it's time. I felt like today was going to be devastating to the American team at the start, and it turned out not to be at all. Now I start to wonder, like, you know, it's a shame we couldn't have gone to a course that we knew better. And it's a shame that Keegan couldn't have played. You know, it was that close. It was that close, so. I think a couple of things, you know, could have been better before the matches started.

And now I just heard or just read where Kagan's now saying, hey, you know, maybe I could have done a better job of setting up the course. And that's little things, you know. We shouldn't have let them win this one. I mean, yeah, you're absolutely right. I think a lot of people, a home team obviously has been dominant in this deal. And then coming in, you know, the way the first two days went, though. I mean, what a roller coaster. I was ready to, I thought we were here last night and we had basically conceded the thing already.

We're like, okay, well, this is going to be. a massacre and to actually you have to pay attention and have it be interesting down the stretch. I mean, there was a moment at the end where I was like, we might actually do this. Even with the concession from Victor Hovlin, the scratch from Victor Hovlin, which we could talk about a minute. But it turned out to be one of the cooler days, most exciting days than the singles in a long time. Well, we wiped them out in singles. And I wonder if they didn't peak last night.

I don't know what they did in their team room. I remember when Davis had a four-shot lead at Medina, they were handy. out gifts on Saturday night and I think they lost their edge and Jose Maria was you know they were over there calling on the ghost of Sevi pretty much and you know we let our guard down I feel like I don't know I don't know what happened in the team room Europe's team room but they almost let it get away they got slaughtered today but they did the slaughtering the first two days and that it was tough pill to swallow there was a it was a time I thought it was just going to be the most devastating defeat that the PJ of America was going to have to restructure everything

And it turned out not to be that way at all. It was actually a bit of a nail bit of a nail biter. What do you think, what would you have said to the team last night in the team room? I mean, there was guys in tears multiple times, and we hadn't even got to the singles yet. I mean, they were down. What do you say to a team like that? The American team needed a huge Saturday night after they got, you know, slaughtered the first two days. So I'm not quite sure what I would have said to those guys other than we're not out of it.

And, you know, we've prepared. You're the best players in the world. let's go show off for our people tomorrow. These are our fans. And let's just play one shot at a time and see what happens. I don't know what else you could have said to them. But whatever it was, you know. It worked.

They played great. Americans played pretty good the first two days. Europeans played off the chart. I feel like every captain is tasked with trying to create the best environment possible so that they can play relax golf. You know, the kind of championship golf that they play to win, you know, tournaments and they play week in and week out but the the pressure is enormous and the challenge is very difficult for the captain what environment what is the

environment that lets them be relaxed I'm not sure when I reflect back on our team and the way we did everything and the structure in the whole nine yards those guys I was able to get they get the most out of them I mean Boo Weekly shoots 29 on Sunday Kenny Perry shot 30 or 31 on Sunday and singles and for ever reason. We were one or two, we were two points ahead going to Sunday. They were still in enough of the zone or committed enough or relaxed enough to play that kind of golf. I felt like our guys were so uptight. You know, the whole patriotism aspect of this Ryder Cup doesn't need to be even talked about. They're going to be chanting USA. You know, I would wrap myself in the flag

after it was over like Shane Lowry did, not before it starts. Yeah. Absolutely. And you kind of revolutionized, I would say the way teams are put together with your pod system. For people listening that may not be familiar with the way you put that together, can you kind of explain the philosophy behind that? I can explain the pod system pretty quickly now. You know, I personally had watched a documentary about the Navy Seals, and I took this concept to team building that I had seen in this documentary, which they take large groups and break them into small groups.

And I thought, you know, that's a good thing for us. I recognize that Europe is bonded in small groups. They're bonded by blood. They're bonded by nationality. The Englishmen play together. The Irishmen play together. The Swedes, the Spaniards play together, don't they? Every chance they get.

And so they have small groups naturally. We have Californians and Floridians and Texans, and we're just 12 guys showing up. I thought, well, maybe this militaristic approach would be better for our guys. Maybe I should make three, four-man teams. I presented that to some buddies and one was Dr. Ron Braun. He said, how are you going to put them in their small groups? And I said, well, we usually do like games. He said, have you ever considered like personalities?

Which, of course, had not. And I began to delve into that personality styling. And we used Myers-Briggs in the disc, which has been used in the business world for 50 years plus. And we tried to put greenlight personalities together. I observed the players. Olin Brown was my assistant. We observed the players. determine whether they were dominating, you know, kind of players, dominating personality.

Like alpha type? Alpha types or whether they were influencing relators or steady supporters, you know, the sock drawer by color guy. So in the end, we did that. We decided three, four-man teams. Eight guys made the team. I picked number nine, which was Stricker. It's his first-ever Ryder Cup.

And then I had three-three-man teams, and they were all green-like personalities. So now I call each player. They all know I'm using the name. Navy SEAL's concept. They know I'm going to put them in their small groups. I'm never taking them out unless there's an injury or an illness. This was this thing I've selling to them for weeks. And I told them like Mickelson and Anthony Kim and Justin Leonard, I said, I'm going to take it one step farther for you guys. You know we're doing this pod thing. I'm going to give you ownership of your pod and I'm going to empower you. And they're

like, how are you going to do that? I'm going to let you pick who fills out your team. I see six names for the aggressive pod that are green light personalities that you three can choose to fill out your group. If you pick someone outside that list, I'll explain to you why you're wrong. That's what I told Phil. And they did. They picked Hunter Mayhan. So now I get to explain that whole Navy SEALs concept to Hunter. And then I say, Hunter, they picked you. And Hunter, you know, he's going to run through a wall for them, isn't he? Of course. It's going to run through a wall. And then the message when they all showed up was to the wives, the caddies, they're hearing this for the first time. And to the players, they're hearing this for the

15th time. We've taken this militaristic approach. I'm putting in your small groups. You know you're here by like personality. I want you guys to prepare together. Come up with a strategy and a philosophy, how your pod wants to play this course. You guys are on your own. I assign Raymond Floyd to the aggressives, Dave Stockton to the steady supportives, and Olin Brown with the influencing relators, which we ended up calling the Redneck Pod because of Boo Weekly and JVee Holmes. And, you know, the final act was that I said to them, now come Thursday, you tell me who's playing alternate shot and best ball in your pod. So they put it together. They did everything.

All I did was set it up. And then I gave them full ownership to control their pod. And they did. Mickelson led his pod. You know, he's going to lead that pod, him and Anthony Kim and Justin Leonard and Hunter Mayhan. I didn't have to mess with pairing as much. It was really easy to pair. It ended up being very structured, probably as much as anything.

But then the realization hits on Friday. And I went up and gave Keegan a big hug on Friday morning this week. I said, buddy, this is the most nervous time of your life right now because you don't have any control. It's over. All you've done is create the best environment possible for them to succeed, and then you have to just get out of the way. I did message a few times to the players according to their personality types.

I would challenge Anthony Kim or encourage maybe Justin Leonard or Stuart Sink. But all in all, I think they got engaged in our Rider Cup very early. We weren't, you know, we'd gotten, we lost four of the previous five and seven out of nine. We were in a terrible streak like we are now, pretty much. And I just feel like they were more engaged than they were dreading the event. And that was important. Yeah, they had ownership of it. They had, oh, they had full ownership.

I mean, they're picking guys that are going to be on the team. that's a huge decision. That's the biggest decision arguably you'd make as a captain. And nowadays, I feel like the pairing, because they're the first thing to be scrutinized, right, when you're on the losing side. Like, why'd you do this? Why'd you do this pairing? Where if they go out and make putts, then you look like a genius and no one ever questions it, right? But now it's so analytics based. It's like, this golf course with this two-sum or this four-ball, this four-sum, you know, put those guys together. Did you use, A, what was available in terms of analytics? Because it's changed so much. There's a ton now. And B, did you use, there was none of that being

considered? No analytics at that time in 2008. We didn't, I didn't do it. Maybe the other side did it, but I doubted it was Fowldo. Fowldo really strayed from really the Ryder Cup formula that has been very successful for Europe. Their assistants are future captains. And the captain has surrounded himself with other past captains. And they're all in the gauntlet together.

They all see the success. And then the next guy who was the assistant comes in and does it his, you know, the same way. And Faldo didn't do that. And it cost him. As much as I was trying to be buttoned up, he was more flying by the seat of his pants, I think. And he had some drummer from some band as his assistant. We're all buttoned up over here. We got Ryder Cup captains as assistants.

And I really wanted to kind of make – I wanted to be the beginning of a new system. But Corey didn't really much care what I did. He didn't ask. And Davis and I talked quite a bit. Watson didn't care. So, you know, the pod system kind of has just gone away. Yeah, that was going to be my question. Like I said, you're considered one of the most successful kind of revolutionary U.S. captains.

When a captain is announced, how many of those guys reach out for advice? Hey, Paul, you were awesome. Keegan reached out right away. But I didn't really help Keegan. You know, he just asked a lot of questions, you know, about, you know, should I load this? Should I do that? What was, you know, what kind of theme? He did his own thing.

I think he did a pretty nice job. He got roasted for putting, I guess, more. Morikow and Harris English together. I think, twice. Analytics said that of 132 possible scenarios, that was the worst possible pairing, and he sent him out twice.

Analytics proved to be correct. And, you know, he may regret that. I don't know how our analytics did not show that in Europe's analytics did, or whoever did that. But I think it's gotten, I think we overthink it. Yeah. We overthink it.

I mean, if they go out there and make puts and, they're two of the best players in the world, they could go out there and win, and then he looks like a genius. Is there a point where the captain gets too much blame and too much credit? Because like you told Keegan, you know, this is the nervous you're most nervous you're ever going to be because everything's out of your hands. Well, I feel like Luke did a fabulous job more so than Keegan did a crummy job because Luke had his players playing the kind of golf that they can only dream of in the most pressure packed, most anticipated situation ever. And have you ever seen more putts go in?

No. I mean, the first two days, I think that was like everyone. on their team was having the best putting day of their life all at the same time for two days in a row. That credit goes to the captain because he has those guys in the right state of mind. He's the guy that's controlling him. You know, you're over the top of these 12. And I've never had a job, so I've never led anybody in my life. It was very difficult to know what to say, what not to say. And I'm sure Luke, very policy, he's got the same 12 guys, essentially. One guy's different, but he looks exactly the same. I wonder if one of the Hoyguards played like,

you know, played crummy if they had to slip the other one. Who would know? We'd have never known. I wouldn't. We would have never known. They might have had both of them playing on us. That might have been the difference. But, you know, I feel like in the end, you got to give Luke all the credit in the world for them to come out and play team golf the way they did.

It blew me away. It just blew me away. I'm real proud of the Americans. They could have mailed it in, but they didn't. He's going to go down. I mean, you know, he's one home and away. I believe only one other has done that from Europe. But then you look at, like, today, the singles, they win one match.

And it's like, you know, I heard some jokes being said, like, Luke was a horrible captain today. You know? Yeah, that's right. He looks like a dummy now. If they hadn't run away with it the first two days, he would have gotten crushed. That's right. Or they were an eyelash away. You know, that putting Victor Hovlin in the envelope was massive today.

Massive. I mean, all of a sudden you look up and it's like two points. Oh, my God. They're so close to the finish line already that I think a scratch like that. I mean, it hurts the team that's trailing that needs every point out there more or less, so much more. It seems to be a weird thing where you get rewarded. There's only 28 points.

So to get a reward, a half a point is a lot in a rider cut. I almost feel like if you can't field a player, he has to scratch, then the full point goes to the other team. To make it a half point for both, I understand the good nature of it all, but it's not a good nature of competition as much anymore as it used to be. I feel like that really, if you have a guy that, cannot play, then that's too bad.

I totally agree. I can't think of any other competition where it's like, we can't go. Like in tennis, you can't go, guess what happens? You don't tie. The other guy advances, you know? I just can't see a world. And to your point, it's a much bigger deal now than it was when that rule was made.

Like, it used to just be Great Britain and Ireland. And guess what? We were winning all the time. Then what they do, they changed the rule. And then they included all of Europe. Like, they've shown that they can change rules. This rule seems totally. I mean, it was so penalizing for the United States today, because you can make an argument they could have tied that cup, 14-14.

Easily. If they win the match that was scratched, and then Sam Burns is one up with one to play. The cup's over at that point. They'd already clinched. He's playing for nothing, ends up making bogey on the last hole. If he holds onto that match, it's 14 all. Oh, I'm telling you. And I feel like that that rule should change.

If you have to scratch a guy, you lose the point. It was too much chess today. That was a chess move. it felt like a chess move. Like, Victor doesn't want to risk it. I would never question Victor, though. I love that guy. He's like my favorite player.

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spelled N-U-T-R-A-F-O-L dot com promo code subpar. That's Nutraful.com promo code subpar. Now, back to our interview. You were part of a cup that ended in a tie also, which I think is strange because like you said, the cups, it's gotten bigger. This thing is the biggest event in golf. off now. How do you feel about a tie and the retaining aspect? I like the tie aspect of it. I feel like that's okay. You know, if you hold the cup, you have a half a point advantage. That's just the way it's going to be. Unfortunately, Europe generally has a one or two percent advantage on us anyway because of what I discussed in the beginning, how they're bonded by nationality,

they're bonded by blood, and they're bonded in small groups. And those guys do hang out. They love each other. You can tell the way they react. Together, they're unbelievable. On their own, they're vulnerable. That's a fact. Interesting. Together, they're almost invincible. On their own, they're vulnerable. And all we needed to do was just some kind of something, something Friday or Saturday. You know, maybe if Keegan was in there, it would have made all the difference in the world when you're looking at a narrow edge like we had this week. And also just, it's so hard to, describe the momentum how much it means at the Ryder Cup. I was over in Rome and from the first match out, it was just a landslide, just allays and everything was going in much like it was the

first two days here. And then today, it's like as soon as the U.S., I think they were losing in like the first three or four matches that were out there. They were down five. They started flipping them. Was it five? They were down the first four or five. Yeah, four or five. They were losing all the early ones. And then all of a sudden they start flipping. What happens? These guys see it. This putt goes in. This putt goes in. It's hard to explain how big momentum is in that event. and how hard it is to switch it once it goes the other way. When I saw the start this morning from Europe, I just thought, wow, this is devastating. This is going to require a complete restructuring of everything.

And now it's nowhere near that. I feel like we had no advantage on the golf course whatsoever. Kegan even said now he wishes he would have set the course up differently. Right. But we picked a course we never play. And we picked a captain that we took them off the team. We picked a guy in his prime to be the captain, really out of guilt. You know, I remember texting Kagan congratulating him on taking the high road after he did not get picked for Italy.

And I did, I text him a long text, you will be a captain someday. Way to take the high road. But I had no idea he'd be captain now. And I've been critical of him being the captain. If you're going to pick a guy in his prime, you're going to risk what happened here this week. We're skipping David Tom. he won the PGA. We're skipping Justin Leonard.

He won a major. You used to have to win a major. We're skipping Stewart's sink. They're all in their 50s. What are we going to do? Just go to Tiger Woods next. Is that the next guy? And we're just going to say to you three guys,

sorry, we had a click for a little while, and you're out. I think that's bad. I wish we could pick guys that aren't in their prime. Yeah, it'd be like Europe taking Justin Rose for the next one. Like, Keegan should have been, could have been on that team in Rome. When they announced him, I was A shocked. And I was like, cool, I like that we're getting younger. I was like, this guy could make it again.

And you could argue, I think, that it was maybe the worst case scenario for the U.S. side, like naming Kegan and then having him be a bubble guy. Because if he had auto qualified, he said he was going to play, right? And he was right there in the 10 spot like he was last time. And then it's like, do you pick yourself? Do you not wear? Or if he had played bad and was 38th in the ranking, no problem. You're just a captain. But he had to go through all that over and over.

All year long. and that was his focus, and I feel like, you know, you could almost say, well, he screwed up. He didn't pick himself. That's what I think. I mean, people will say that now. They'll blame it on a lot of stuff. He was just putting an unfortunate spot, and the people that put them there should know better. You know, it's like, it's like, you know, going to the team room in Italy.

The American team room in Italy had nothing in it, had nothing in it. It had Faxon's poster in it. Faxon ended up missing a put in 95. They had O'Meara picture in there. There was no current players. And I feel like the PGA of America should take care of that for the American captain who doesn't know any better, you know, to fix up the team room. America's team room, this go-around was fantastic and a real motivator.

What did they have in there? Can you share it? Everything, by it. There was pictures of their dogs. There was pictures of the players, early age, all the way up to older. It was an inspirational little locker room they had in there. at the hotel. I didn't see their locker room at the course.

But I do know that, you know, another, maybe a slight mistake, I think Kegan did give them some bulletin board material right out of the gate when he said, we're going to go to Beth Page Black and kick their effing ass. And, you know, that was hanging on their locker room. That's hanging over there when they walked into the course every day. That quote was hanging there with Kegan Bradley. We're going on there to kick their. Rory did the same thing, too.

Oh, I know. He did. On the flip side. I think I'm going to give Roy some. some credit because Rory really did take the pressure off the Europeans as well by stating that winning an away Rider Cup is probably one of the toughest achievements in sports and so his guys are rolling in with everything to gain and nothing to lose and they're gonna face a hostile crowd and they had a chip on their shoulder about it

and they showed up very relaxed and ready to roll bud they were they had a great environment over there I give Rory credit for that now I want to take a shot at Rory, who I love, you know, Rory, Rory probably turned down $500 million not to go to live. And he's a European, and we see how much he wants to beat our tour. But he stayed here, and he fought for us. He fought for the PGA tour, so I love him for that. But today in the press conference, after it's over, he's saying, I think golf should be held to a higher standard of decorum.

Isn't that what he said? But in the meantime, he says, F you, F you, F you, F you in full voice for the world to see. He turns around and says to the guy, shut the F up. The guy in the media asked him today, how did that feel, Rory, to tell the guy to shut the F up and then hit it two feet? And he said, it felt pretty effing good. And I'm like, by which is it, Rory? is it that golf is held to a higher standard? Are you just going to F you the fans and act like that's okay?

So I love Rory. You know that. But you can't say that. You can't say the fans need to behave better. And then in the meantime, lay them to waste. You can't be on both sides. You can't do both. You got to be one or the other.

You can't do both. Yeah. What do you think of the fans as a whole? this week. Too much? Just right? I think it must have been terrible. It must have been terrible. But didn't the PGA of America know when they came here what was

going to happen? Of course. We all knew. We've been talking about it for 10 years that this crowd could go crazy. Hey, if the beers weren't $16 a piece, it could have been worse. And the ticket's $750. That's what I said. I was like they're trying to price out the knuckleheads. Oh, I know. Well, congratulations to Europe.

I mean, they truly stomped us in the ground and we did everything we could. I'm really I want to say congratulations to the American team. They showed a lot of heart and a lot of guts. And we have to just create a little bit better environment when we go to Europe so we can get off to a better start. Europe in Ireland practice in three-hole matches with enough money on the line that they really paid attention. And the priority was in three-hole matches to get off to a hot start. And that's what they did in Italy.

They prepared to get off to a hot start. Like after three holes, whoever won the money, then they repaired and they played three more holes. And they battled in their preparation, and they're ready to go. And they did it again, I think. I think they did it again. If the P.J. of America came to you tomorrow and said, Paul, we need your help. We've got to fix this thing. We're in a bad stretch here.

Would you do anything different than what you did at Valhalla? Like, would I be the captain, no. Or if you were just advising? If I could be more of an advisor, maybe. But no one really asked much of my opinion at the PGA of America since I was captain. They never asked me if I wanted to do it again. They never asked me about Corey. They never asked me about Watson.

They never asked me about anybody. So I feel like once you're the captain, that's it. I wanted to ask you about that because Luke Donald did so well in Rome, they ran it back. And by the way, he wasn't even supposed to be the captain. There was a bunch of guys in front of him. Jumping for the money. They left Stenson left for the money. Polter left for the money.

Sergio left. They left us for the money. That's why I love Rory, because Rory stayed. and fought for our tour. Okay, so those guys that you just mentioned that left for the money, they were the next up on the European side, but now we've seen, I mean, Europe had multiple live players on their team.

We had a live player on our team. We had a live player in Rome. Do you think those guys get welcomed back? Do you think they have a potential to play the tour? As a Rider Cup captains on the European side? Oh, I'm not sure about that. I don't know.

That seems like a double standard too. It's like, we don't hate you enough to have you on our team because you're good, but you're not ever going to be our captain. even though you're the most decorated players in the history of our team. That's a good point. I feel like once we dipped into the well and live, we probably should have brought five-time major winner Kepka,

who won the PJ Championship at Beth Page Black. That would have been nice. And then maybe pick Patrick Reed and maybe pick Dustin Johnson. If you're going to go dip into the live pool and pull Bryson, I would have really probably pulled Kepka. There's no way Kepka's not going to man up and play great this Ryder Cup. But they didn't. But Europe didn't have a problem with bringing Rahmanhattan,

and they play for the smashers over there on the Live Tour, so they're already teammates. That was a brilliant pair and a brilliant pick. And, yeah, Luke did everything right. But he was a crummy captain on Sunday, wasn't he? Yeah, right? Today he was terrible. They're already talking about running him back for the third time.

I'm surprised whenever you were you, like, not offended, isn't the right way? Were you surprised that after what you did, that you didn't get another go at it? I was, it took me a minute, you know, it took me a while. to realize I wanted to do it and I called him and said hey I I want to carry the flag to Europe that's how I said it they said there's more captains than there are rider cups yeah I was like okay so that was the end of that said but I'll do it I'll take the risk you know because it's a risk like now I'm the oh you're the winning captain well you know it would have been a big risk to do it

again, wouldn't it? Same for Luke. It would have been a big risk for Luke, but Luke's going to take the challenge. I think go to the well till the well runs dry. I'd take it. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. It's kind of always been my philosophy. I'll take Luke again. Who's next in line? Other than Luke, the three guys that we mentioned that. Yeah, the guys that aren't Westwood. How about Westwood left? Graham McDowell left. These are Rider Cup. Ian Polter, Sergio Garcia. Legends of the writer. This was supposed to be Polter and Phil initially. That was the big talk when they announced best thing. I thought That's the one. I thought it would be Sergio Phil, but maybe it would be Polter and Phil.

I mean, that would have been a hell of a juicy captain battle. Phil said today he's not going to ever do it. Yeah, I saw that. Yeah, I saw that too. So, I mean, I don't know what the PGA of America's next move is. I mean, maybe they should just pick Keegan again and say, here you go, bud. We'll give you another crack at it. Yeah, I mean, Tiger was rumored for Beth Page, and it was like up to him if he wanted it.

Apparently, he didn't. That's the word on the street. Do you think he's the next guy at a dare manner? It's kind of what I heard, but I mean, I don't know why. I'm not sure he would take that. I think, you know, if I'm Tiger, I want to be the captain at home. I wouldn't want to go captain over there. I mean, not my first.

I wanted the captain at home. And I'm glad I did. I think, you know, it's so hard to win on the road in America's struggle so much. Why would you submit yourself to that nowadays? You get criticized so hard. You could change your whole legacy by accepting the captain's role. It changed how Sutton's legacy, which is a shame. This is one of the greatest players.

Oh, he's a bad Rider Cup captain because he put Tiger and Phil together. Well, Tiger and Phil could have played great and certainly beaten. They played the toughest possible duel, though, Padrick and Colin Montgomery. So I don't know, but it's a tough thing to be the captain and get scorched earth if you don't win. And, you know, you can do everything right and just get outplayed. Like, I thought Curtis, I don't think Curtis made a single mistake as a captain, but we got beat. There's nothing you can do about it. Yeah, if you guys make putts, you win.

You're a hero. If they don't, you're a goat. And that's what the U.S. team was saying in their presser today. You know, they're talking about Keegan, and Keegan's just falling on the sword. God bless him, because he's such a classy dude. He's like, yeah, there's things I would have done different. You know, this ultimately falls on me. And then the players were like, yeah, our captain should have told us to make more puts the first two days.

Right. Like, that's exactly, I think, what it is, more or less. there's a few exceptions to that, but it just feels like it's too imbalanced. All the highlight reels are putts. And even Montgomery, I did a thing with Cal Montgomery a few nights ago, and he said, we've out putted America for 25 consecutive years or whatever. Well, not every time. But they out put us, and I don't know what it is, that intangible that has them more freed up.

I'm not sure. Maybe they study the greens better than us. But all the players had the hole locations prior to the matches, so everybody knew where the holes were going to be. So there's really, you know, there's not a real, there's not a lot of excuse to misread putts when you've spent days practicing. Now, I did hear that Europe showed up two full weeks early and practiced. I'm not sure how true that is. But if that's the case, then they out prepared us. Yeah, they came out here and had a couple days session, and then they went their separate ways, but most of them live over here, too. It's a little easier. The U.S. can't

go over there. You don't want to be gone for two weeks. That's probably to your detriment. When Europe picks a course, it immediately ends up on the European Tour schedule. Yeah, every time. They get very familiar with it. But the European Tour owns the Rider Cup. You know, this whole narrative about the money was really irritating me so bad. You know, the United States players started wanting the money when the PGA of America started making a major profit. It was O'Meer and Tiger, actually, were the first ones to talk about the money.

And in 1999, they gave all the players $200,000 into their donor advisor funds or whatever they have set up. up. And then it went up to 300,000 after that. And so now we're losing the narrative and we're, you know, playing for the money, right? This is the narrative. Now we get 500,000, 200 goes to the bank. So whatever. So I text message, one of the top brass there at the PGA of America. I said, how much money has, have the players donated since 1999? He said, I don't know. So, you know, it's 13 because you got to captain times 25 years, whatever it is. So I wrote what they should say and the reality is that the PGA tour players in partnership with the PGA of America and the Ryder Cup have donated $37 million to charity and to people in need and I don't see how you would

ever apologize for that I would you know why isn't that your message we're never going to apologize for giving 37 million dollars to charity how much is Europe given all the money Europe makes goes to their tour and none of those 12 guys are going to play the European tour unless they get appearance fee. So it's a totally false narrative. I couldn't agree more. They're all getting paid differently. Our money's getting, we're getting paid up front, open, goes to charity. They're getting paid and putting it back in their pocket. So I would ask them how much they gave the charity. I think, honestly, I think I know the answer. In 23 in Italy, they gave 250,000 pounds to charity. The PJ of America gave 6.4 million to charity.

That's a big difference. It's a big difference. And Patrick Cantley was the guy kind of behind that in Rome, and they asked him this week, which I still think is out of bounds. You don't have to – Guy doesn't have to tell you what he's going to do with his money, but he's like, I'm donating the whole thing. They're like, there's your guy that you said –

None of your business. Yeah, which is basically what Scotty Sheffler told him too. He does so much for people. Exactly. The additional $200,000, you know, the fact that they wanted that separately, I'm sure they want to do what they want with it. In reality,

I think it's going to go to local first tea, local boys and girls clubs, you know, local churches. I think that's what they're going to do with that money. It's not going into their donor advisor fund, which earns interest. It's a different kind of charitable dollar than if it's just handed straight to you. So in the end, the players have donated 37 million in the last 25 years, and I don't think Europe does that. Yeah, without question. I'll let you get out of here on this one because you've been a four-time player, you've been a captain. favorite memory in all your rider

Cups could be as a player or a captain? I would say winning the Rider Cups, the greatest experience, you know, I heard Shane Lowry say today after he made that great put, how great the British Open was, but I live for the Rider Cup. And one of the reasons why

the Rider Cup is so great is because my first ever Rider Cup, Chip Beck and I are playing Colin Montgomery and Nick Valdow, and Lanny Watkins and Tom Watson were following us. And that's what's great about the Ryder Cup. I looked up and I'm like, oh my gosh, that's Watson

and Lanny following our every move. I was blown away. It changed the way I think about everything. We were bonded as a team. We're still bonded to this day because of Ryder Cup. It's just something we don't get to experience in an individual sport. And the passion and the patriotism is real.

These guys will cry. Yeah. How about it? And it's just an amazing event. It just is. turned into, I just heard the other day, it's the most watch events in the world, World Cup soccer, Olympics, and number three is the final day of the Rider Cup. 600 million watched in 2008 when I was captain.

So I would imagine it's quite a bit more. It's been some 17 years or so, 19 years or whatever it's been. I imagine it's way more than 600 million. I mean, it's the coolest event in golf. It just keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger and you're a big part of it. And your name will always, you know, hold high. highest theme in the Rider Cup world. You've been a step.

Well, I did something different. It was totally outside the box. It got our players engaged. We weren't as good at team. And for one week, they put it together and did their thing. And the fact that it was so unique and so different, I think it'll probably live for a long time. But the fact that no one's done it really much since is just disappointing. Yeah, absolutely.

And hopefully they can get you back in the fold and we can get this ship righted because we need it. Yeah, it was a bummer to lose this week. I just didn't know. I knew Europe was coming in, buttoned up, but I didn't know they were going to whitewash us like that the first two days. I'm really proud of Keegan and the Americans. Whatever they did last night and this morning, they came out, and they really put on a great show for us. Battled their asses off. Oh, it was awesome.

There was a point in time where I was like, this is actually going to happen. It's actually going to happen. And damn, they got close. They showed some serious heart. It made it fun to watch because there was a time yesterday. I was like, I mean, this thing's going to be over. three matches. I know. And it wasn't. It felt like it was going to be the most disappointing Rider Cup in history. Yeah. And it turned out not to be that way at all. I'm happy for Keegan that they

at least made it close because it was... Keegan worked hard, bud. He texted. He was so invested in engaged in this thing. And I feel bad for him. I felt so bad yesterday. I wouldn't know what to say if that would have continued. Now I'm happy to call Keegan and say, you were awesome. I think it changed like the narrative around his legacy as a Rider Cup captain. If it would have been a just a, the the worst blowout in history. It's like, that's a tough one. But this one, and the way he's handled everything throughout, I think his legacy is pretty secure as one of the classiest guys.

And I don't think you'll be remembered as, like, a failure of a Ryder Cup captain. Well, he may get another chance, you know, you want a guy that's kind of got some experience, and he's got some experience. He's engaged with the players. I would certainly imagine that some of the same players are going to show back up for our next Ryder Cup team. And Kagan will be 41, which is way too young. But I don't know how the P.J.

of America thinks. Again, I hate that they skip those three guys I mentioned, you know, Justin Leonard, Stuart Sink, and David Tombs. But, you know, it is what it is. We have to win. We just have to go beat them on the road somehow. And I'm not sure how we get that done. Yeah, like you said, there's more Ryder Cup captains than there are Rider Cups.

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All packages are provided by on location, the official travel package provider of the PGA of America and the Ryder Cup. Full details and policies available at on locationexp.com. Here we go. All right. Colin Montgomery. Tom Lehman, also the United States team is also not affiliated with the Ryder Cup at this moment. We're taking applications. Anyone under a 10 handicap if you want to play at a dare man or submit here.

Colin, Tom, though, it's a pleasure to have y'all here. Mr. Montgomery, I know you're in a rather good mood right now. You can't stop smiling as your squad is up 11.5 to 4.5. I have actually nothing to do with this, but at the same time, it's something very special. This is a record that we hold on Saturday evening. Now, who knows? I mean, you know, America come out and win the first four matches tomorrow. It's game on again.

If not, it could finish quite early, which is incredible to think that we've been trying to win away since 2012, and Rory's been saying for a number of years how difficult it is, and his one last objective in the game of golf is to win away from home, and it seems to have come to fruition this week. Yeah. Yeah, Tom, you know, we were speaking here before we came on, And it's like, yeah, maybe the U.S. hasn't had their best stuff today.

But at some point, you've got to just tip your cap and say, this may be the best performance we've ever seen in a Ryder Cup, especially on foreign soil that we're seeing right now from Europe. Well, the European team has been no missteps. I mean, not one misstep that I can see the whole entire week so far. Just great ball striking, just really aggressive to the pins. I mean, just trying to take a dead, dead aim at every pin, knocking it close, making puts. And when the U.S. actually gets a little bit of momentum, they do something to just squash it.

And that's what I've noticed, that they just simply never allow the U.S. team to get any momentum built at all. And the result is what you see. But I do think that from top to bottom, they probably have a little deeper team, and they're playing their best. The U.S. team is awfully good. They're not at their best. And this is what you get. And Monty, obviously, you played eight Rider Cups. You've played here, you've played at home.

And let's be honest, you were one of the favorite targets of the American crowd, as was Roy McRoy today. Just talk about what it's like. They love Monty. Come on, are you kidding? I still love him. Yeah, right. It's obviously extremely difficult to play over here. But what's it like, I thought it was very impressive how Rory and Shane Lowry performed,

considering everything they had to deal with. And you know exactly how it is out there. Yeah, I mean, there's one particular shot at 16 there this afternoon. that Rory had to say something to the crowd. I won't mention it here, but it was rude. And back to the crowd, got back to the shot and hit it stiff from 160-odd yards. That was impressive, I must admit, because normally after you've spoken to the crowd, which we're told not to do, because it's, you know, you just don't answer back.

Because it's not personal. What happens from the crowd? It's not personal. You just have to put it to one side because your team, mates are trying as well, so you can't let them down by losing it as such. But what he did there was fantastic at 16. Did it stiff after the barracking that he had on the fairway there, or just in the semi-ruff? But he's done very well. He's really primed for this event. As we said, he's our leader on the course now. He and John Rahm, really, and he's done particularly well, and he's played

well. Tommy Fleet was done okay, too. Yeah, our top three players have done particularly well. Yeah. And Ram, Fleetwood, and Macquaroy. We need that. And I was saying to Tom earlier on, the top three Americans haven't done as well. Deschambo, Sheffler, and... Then who? And I don't know who else.

That's their two guys. Ham Young's been a bright spot? That says a lot, doesn't it? So what you think of... We're trying to say the top three Americans haven't done so well, and we've only got to two. I mean, Patrick Cantley is the other one that played every match so far. Patrick Cantley's done very well, actually, because he came in here under pressure.

It hasn't really been performing this year on tour the same as Patrick Cantley can. He's done well. Cam Young was left out from the first Friday Foursomes, but he's done very well as well. So when you think about a stop gap, the floodgates are open, we need somebody to stop the bleeding. When you go on the European side, but we got Macaroy. Okay. And we got Fleetwood. We got Justin Rose, and we got John Rom, and we got Terrell Hatton,

and that you can go down the list quite a ways to find a guy who I would put in there to stop the bleeding if there was that kind of situation. With the U.S. team, I don't think there's quite that much confidence. I mean, I'm not sure you can go quite that deep. So I just think that the European team is at their best. The U.S. team is not at their best. And the result at this level of play is this kind of, is this kind of. unavoidable. Well, it's just one or two shots,

isn't it? I mean, it's not like, it's just one or two shots. It's not six or seven around. It's the one or two shots that have had to go in, the puts that had to go in by the Europeans have gone in, and as Thomas are rightly saying there, the momentum hasn't been allowed. If America

have won a hole, damn, they're not going to win the next one. No. And get that momentum. And then other players of other matches, see the scoreboard. They see it going red, and they go, hang on, okay, like, right, come on, lads, we'll fight But that momentum hasn't materialized in other games, feeding down from the first game down to games two, three and four. How much of this do you think is Luke Donald, who by the way, if they end up winning tomorrow, is going to go down as one of the greatest writer-cup performers, player and captain ever?

How much of this you think is Luke Donald, the pairings he's putting out, the preparation they put in, and how much is it just out of his hands? And his players just happen to be at the top of their game right now in the U.S. is not. Well, I think we've been very wise in keeping our captain from Rome. We haven't had to start again with a new captain and sort of bleed him into the role. So that was a very wise move to keep the captain that won it in Rome. And also the consistency is there with a team. 11 of that team that won in Rome are playing here.

We've just got a twin brother that's been... Yeah, and he's not even playing. And he's not even playing. So the consistency and the continuity is there on the European side. So we're fortunate there. Every Ryder Cup that Luke Donald has been involved with, I think he played three.

He's captained one, and he's about to win again, say, I mean, that's five out of five. I mean, that is really up there with anybody. I think he's 70% win percentage as a player, too. One of the top, if not the top, right, winning percentage points-wise? Yeah, with a certain amount of matches.

If you go down as maybe 1A guy in European Rider Cup history after this. But for both of you, I think, especially, over here in the United States, like the media is going to make a lot out of Scotty Schaeffler's performance this week. He's 0.4. He's the best player in the world, and it's not even up for debate. But to go out there and go 0 and 4, I ran some numbers. He's played 66 holes this week. His opponents are 32 under par in two days. He's not playing bad. He's running into

buzz saws every day. His two, we call it an alternate shot. You call it foursomes, which is by far the most difficult format. He's played two matches. The opponents have been 700 and 6 under through 16 holes. I mean, there's not much you can do when people play like that. So, repeat that step. 66 holes. His opponents are 32 under bar. You can't beat that. You can't beat that. No, I mean, his opponents are birding every second hole. Yeah. Right. I mean, and we're talking foursomes golf as well. Right. It's a very, I can understand that in four ball, but not in foursons. That's incredible, isn't it? The standard of golf that we've been played. And we're not playing a pitch and puck course here. We're playing Bethpage Black, right? We're not, okay, it's not. It's not

up a little easy. Yes, it's set up, not like the U.S. opens, but still, it's got to be done. You've got a hole out. You've got a hole in the plus. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So today, I think, on the 10th hole today, I think it was, I think Sam Burns didn't hit a very good approach. He had about a 45-footer, and he made it across the green for a 3 on 10. And then Fitzpatrick from 35 feet, right on top of them, boom. So that's the story of the Ryder Cup this week. Absolutely. that the European team has never let the U.S. team get loose. And the crowd, therefore, has never really gotten loose behind them.

It's been quiet. I mean, they've just simply, they've never had a chance to really get on a roll, ever. And it's not because it's all bad play, no. You cannot beat 32 under 366 holes. You brought up that example. I'll go back to yesterday. Ben Griffin makes a 60-footer on the seventh hole. Justin Rose steps up in front of him from 40 feet, buries it.

You go to 16, a match that involved John Rom and Scotty Sheffler, which was very tight coming down the stretch. Scotty Sheffler makes a 30-footer. John Rom, right behind him, 25-footer. Like, every single time, like y'all said, the Europeans have had an answer this week. Yeah, I think you've just got to say that whatever Luke's Donald's done, whatever the European team have done, they have played. And here's me, it's taking in America here in Manhattan, but the European team have played better than the American team. Yeah. And you have to say, well, hats off to them.

You know, they've played better. And that's what it is. Hats off for sure. Eventually, you're going to say, well, well played. Yeah. Yeah, and if they go out tomorrow and do what I think we expect them to do, this may go down as the most brilliant Rider Cup performance by a single team in history. I don't know.

Well, I don't know. There's some good ones, but they could buy it. The performance in Ireland was, I mean, talk about putts going in the hole. Oh, the poor. We had two in a row, 2004 and 2006. that were the same result, one away from home in Detroit, Oakland Hills in 2004, and of course, Tom's campus in 2006,

when, yes, we hold everything, everything, at the K club. Okay, even to the point, even to the White Monty, where you hit it in the water on number 11, it landed in the pond, hit a rock in the bottom of the pond, and bounced on the green to about 15 feet, and you made a three. I did, I'm very sorry. Sounds like he's really over it.

Yeah, he's really over. He's not bitter at all. The lepricons aren't afraid of the water, are they? Haven't slept since, you know, not at all. No, no, no, no, no. But, Tom, I'll ask you because you're kind of, it wasn't as bad as what it is this year, but y'all were down quite a bit

heading into Sundays when you were captain. What's your message to the team? What's Keegan's message to the team going to be tonight? Like, I think we were five down. Okay, there's seven down with us. That's a taller order. So, really, it's all about prime. at this point. You know, so if I'm in, so if I were in that team room talking to those guys,

and it was my message, I would simply remind them of who they are. It's like, this is who you are. You guys are number one in the world rankings. You guys are major champions. You guys are guys who are coming out on tour and your rookies and you're winning tournaments and your, you know, three-time All-Americans in college. You are, you know, Ryder Cup team members. You are, whatever they are. I would remind them of just exactly who they are. Because it's easy to forget in this kind of moment when you're so defeated of who you are. And I would remind them who they are. So go out tomorrow and I don't care how far behind you are. Kick the shit out of somebody. Let's go. It's somebody in the mouth. Did we get that on tape? Maybe we fire that over.

Fire that over to the boys. Honestly, at this point in the deal, I feel like the thing I'm most sad about, honestly is not the fact that we ran up against the buzzsaw in Europe, but Keegan Bradley's captaincy and what he's gone through. And the fact that he had a chance to be a player passed it up, that he's been waiting on this opportunity. He was passed over in Rome. He lives and breathes this event. Like he wanted it more than anybody. No one ever question his passion. And now here he goes about there, balls out of his hands. And all of a sudden it goes this way. I think that's the toughest pill to swallow on the American side. Yes, it's been difficult. But I'll go back to Tom as a as an ex-captain. What would you say to the team? I'd say to them,

the American team, right, pride is number one at this stage. Go out and win the singles. Go and win the singles and give herself something to go with for the next President's Cup, for the next Rader Cup. Go and win the singles. Don't allow Europe to win five sessions in a row, which has never, ever been done. Yeah. We'll always have the President's Cup. Right. Right. We got 364 more days. We want to play that one. Exactly. Monty, I want to go back to your captaincy, which was at Celtic Manor. And it was a tight one. 14 and a half, 13 and a half.

Came down to the last match, Graham McDow, Hunter, Mahan. For you, having no control. You don't have a club in your hand. And you've won a gazillion tournaments, contended at all the majors. Where does those nerves rank in your career? Oh, that was as good as it gets.

Yeah. That was good as he gets. I had the reasonable writing cup career playing, and I didn't want to sort of go out. 23 and a half points, by the line. Stop! Time out. Time out.

Okay. Okay, right. Did you please rephrase that? Well, I can't. A reasonable rider cut record, right, fine. And you put yourself on the line, you do. And you lose control. When you send, and Tom Ophill the same,

when you send your team out, whoever it might be in the foursomes of the four ball or the singles, you've sort of lost that control, haven't you, of those? And you just pray that they bring back something or else it's a complete waste of four and a half hours. You know, you want to bring back a point,

or half a point or whatever. And I'll never forget, the first match I sent, sent out Lee Westwood with Martin Kimer, who just won at Whistling Strait, it's a 2010 PGA. And I'd lost control immediately, 10 yards off the T, I'd lost control. Now, I'm not saying I'm a control freak, but I would much rather be doing it myself. Even not as good as them, I'd much rather do it because then you've got some sort of control,

you know, partly control. But it was a horrible feeling, horrible feeling relying on someone else. Yes, they were better than I was, but you've still got to rely. on them. And Graham did a great job. He was US Open champion at the time at Pebble Beach. He was the Wales Open champion on that golf course. So that's why he was put number 12. He was disappointed

when the draw, when I told him, I'd like you to go 12. He said, no, no, no, no, no. We'll be winning around number 6 or 7. Can you put me there? And I go, no, hang on. If things go horribly awry here, which they did, America came back at us

as they do in the singles, Graham was there as the backup just in case. and it just worked out. Wow, that's crazy. He wanted to go earlier. He did. He did. He wanted to be the one to win it at number six.

He actually ended up the one to win it at number 12. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. All right, this one's for both you, Tom. I'll start with you because you guys have so much experience playing, being captains in Rider Cup. If I just say the words, Rider Cup, first memory that comes to mind could be as a player or a captain.

What is it? So one of my favorite... Monty, I'm sorry. One of my favorite memories is my very first Rider Cup. In the very first match, Corey Pavin and I played Nick Faldo and Colin Montgomery. And we went to 18. Okay, and your partner put you in the crap off the tea. He did, he did.

Nice fella he is. And you pitched it back into the fairway. And then he kind of pitched it into the back right bunker. He did. And he hit a nice bunker shot to about four and a half feet. Right? Meanwhile, Corey and I, Corey was on the Tee, that's alternate shot. And he hit his T shot for him. You know, Corey's not long, and he was raining sideways,

and he kind of squeezed one down the right side in the first cut of rough. And I hit a five iron on the front of the green, and we ended up making a part and beating you guys. So when I think about Rider Cup moments, because for me, so for me, you always wonder, like, am I capable of dealing with the Rider Cup? pressure. And there was no greater pressure than, at least to me, than being in my very first match against two of, being the best team from Europe, and having to hit a five iron in the rain

to approach the green, under pressure. And then I wanted Corey to move his ball because there was water puddling on the green. He moved the ball up to the left and to the high ground so you have to put through the puddle. And he didn't want to because he didn't want to have to, He was too nervous. Actually, he had a big breaking putt. So he hit it straight up the hill through the puddle and up to five feet short. Okay, and I had to clean up his mess. That a boy.

But you did it. And I made it. Oh, you did. So the only reason why you bring that up is that I think, and Monty would agree, is that there is no greater pressure than the rider cup, because you're not only playing for yourself, but for your teammates, for your country. And to kind of come through when you have to come through, it proves to yourself, I'm tough enough to deal with this.

And that's what that match did for me. Good for you. What would be your favorite, Monty? Or your first. Well, my first experience of the Rider Cup wasn't playing. I went down, we lived in Yorkshire, which is about 200 miles north of Walton Heath, 1981. And I went down with my brother to watch the Rider Cup in 1981. I was 17.

and I was watching the best American team that's ever been assembled. I think Bruce Litsky was the only one that wasn't a major champion at the time. It was before the World Rankings started in 84. But I'm sure that 12 would have been in the top 20, all of them, in the World Rankings at that time. It was incredible, Nicholas and Watson and going on and on. And it was an experience for me to think that looking back on it, to think I ever got to the stage 10 years later of actually playing at Kiwa Island,

10 years later in 1991, myself, I could never have imagined playing in that Rider Cup, having seen the standard of play and the icons of the game, really, all the Hall of Famers that were there playing in that Rider Cup. I couldn't believe that I could be part of this history that has become the Rider Cup. So that was my first memory of it. Well, you were a massive part of it, playing eight times. captain is once and I think you know a lot gets lost with what happened out there today how the gallery can be disrespectful but at the end of the day like all 24 players respect each other

a lot and one of my first memories of the rider cup was 1999 at brookline where y'all made the amazing comeback but what pain Stewart did with you yes on the 18th hole which is about as classy as it gets oh very much so you know we had a we had a we had a hell of a battle pain stew and i i was three up early on and he got it all back we're all square playing 17 it was a It was a real great game and a real respect to his patriotism, and it was such a shame that two months later, he's not with us. You know, it was a terrible tragedy. And someone that we do think about when the Radha Cup comes,

I do, the last person to play him in the singles, it was just a tragedy. But it was a fabulous game, and what happened at the last hole, giving me, picking out my marker in theory, conceding the game. considered the match after we'd battled so hard for four hours between us playing chess together to try and get to that winning position. And yeah, he was a gentleman. That's awesome. A patriot which I love because I'm, yes, a very proud Scott, a very proud Brit.

And I love this patriotism of America. I love the way that your flags fly. I love the way that your anthem is played much more than we are at home. and I just wish we were as patriotic as you Americans are. I think it's great. Great. Can I add to that story? Absolutely.

Okay, so Saturday night, which is always a big night, I'm sure, for both teams. Payne was walking around our team room, and we tend to have a lot of open dialogue that night, people talking very freely about their, whatever's on their mind, and it can be quite emotional. And he was wearing this red, white, and blue, stars and stripes, Uncle Sam, Top Hat. You can imagine pain. He's got sweats on. He's got this top hat. And I said, you ought to stick that hat in your bag. Because tomorrow, there's no doubt in my mind that we're not going to come back and win this thing. I mean, we're absolutely going to win. And we can wear that thing down the 18th fairway. And the people will love it. He goes, yeah, that's a great idea. That's a great idea. So he stuck it in his bag. Well, the match is over. I mean, the rider cap is over, right? And we're going down 18. And it's a madhouse. People are running past you. It says people sprinting past you guys and you have to fight your way to the 18th green and

and a pain gets up there and he concedes the match. That's who he is. Never put on the hat. Never put on the hat. And I remember asking him later, like that night later on, like you had the hat in your bag. You said you were going to put it on. Why didn't you? What do you suppose the answer was? It wouldn't have been right. I couldn't do it to Monty. Yeah. I could not do that to Monty. I respect him too much. I respect the game too much. I didn't want to disrespect Colin Montgomery. Did you know that, Monty? Did you know that story? No, I did not know that. That's the first time I've heard that and that was 1999. We're talking, you know, 26 years ago and amazing. Yeah, amazing. But that's the person that Payne Stewart was. Amen. Amen to that. One of one for sure. Staying on Brooklyn for a moment, do you got the shirt? You got the shirt?

You know what? I got the shirt. Where is it? My son-in-law looked for, because he wanted to wear it this week. Couldn't find it. So maybe that's the reason why we're struggling. I don't know. That shirt was a special shirt. That's a special one. Do not lose that.

I want to know what got passed over that they chose. Yeah, we're going to wear that one. Go with this one. The idea was good. The idea was good. Every winning team was on that shirt. Hey, we should run out in those tomorrow maybe. Channel a little.

Nothing's going to hurt. We're going to need two of them. Speaking of stories, I don't think a lot of people know. And I just learned this a few months ago, because we actually interviewed Hughes Norton, for those that don't know, the legendary sports agent, and shared a great story about you, actually, who when you were kind of getting ready to figure out what you're going to do in your life,

we're talking about becoming a sports agent. Yeah. And you showed up in an outing. I did. And I think you showed up a little late, showed up at the back nine, didn't even have your clubs. No, yeah. Went out and shot 29, and they said,

why are you wanting to represent people? We need to be representing you. Exactly. That was it. The two hours, it was at Turnbury. It was at Turnbury Golf Club, now Trump Turmbury. and it was the day after the 1986 open that Greg Norman had won at Turnbury and the Pinds in the same location is the word you know you play after the Monday

afterwards and I joined them on the back nine I was asked to join him at the lighthouse at the 10th at Turnbury and I played in with them and I was it was a job interview yeah I wanted to be an agent you know I wanted to I wanted to manage the likes of well the big three was still playing Nicholas Palmer player there was Floyd there was Nick Price there was the Normans of this world you know a Fowldo like Langer, Sevy, it was great. All IMG clients, and I thought this was great. So, yes, as you so rightly say, I hold a couple of shots. I chipped in, I potted, you know. Anyway, a couple of story short. Yes, I came back in 29. And they said, well, you're not going to work for us.

We're going to work for you. Yeah. That was amazing. Yeah. And it changed. That's where I'm sitting here today. Imagine if you shot 38. Well, I mean, God. Yeah. You would have been a hell than a podcast. We'd have a lot more rider cubs, maybe to our name. I don't want to imagine. I don't want to imagine. Go get my cars. It's right outside. Yes, sir. 20% are you out of your mind? The Payne Stewart conversation reminded me of this question that I want to ask you guys,

because you've been, like I said, players, captains in a lot of locker rooms. One locker room guy, best locker room guy that stands out that you were either on a team with or were Captain 4. Well, I'm going back to Payne Stewart again. Yeah. He was, he was the guy. He was the guy. He controlled the music. He showed up with the playlist, right?

And he had the boom box, and his playlist was a great playlist. And he was not afraid to share what was on his heart. So that night, you know, at Brookline, everybody's, I mean, we typically kind of go around and we just talk about what, what means so much to us about the week, you know. And whether you're winning or losing, it's like this week has been an amazing week. What about this week is so significant to me? And so he talked about his dad and how. his dad had passed away, his dad wasn't there, and how much he wished his dad could have been there to be a part of that week.

And he was, you know, in between sobs, you know, talking about his father. And that was kind of the, so you talk about locker room guys, it's like he was unafraid to laugh, he was unafraid to cry. He was, you know, and you need somebody like that. You know that. You need somebody like that in the locker room who is on the course playing, competing. You know, you need that kind of passion and authenticity, you know, I think to bring teams together. And Payne was without question that way. Interesting.

If you go back to the locker room, I suppose there's only one guy that I could say was Sevi Baysteris. And he was our leader. He was the most passionate man that I've, and it's a terrible somber. We're talking about two guys that aren't with us right now. You know, Sevy and Payne Stewart both. taken far too early. But Sevey was our passionate leader. He had the energy.

We were playing for him. Everybody was. Faldo was. Lyle was. Langer was. Wozzy was. We all were playing for one guy for Sevi. It was his rider cup. And we wanted to win for him. And especially in 97 when he captained us, all I can say was a bit of a nuisance, to be honest,

when he captain does. He was everywhere. He was everywhere. There was tunnels underneath Valdorama, and he used to use the maintenance tunnels under Valdorama Golf Club to appear from nowhere. God, he's here again. Oh, my God, you know. And, of course, he was only 41, Sevi.

So he wanted to, as captain, he wanted to play the shots for us all. And he was better than us all around the greens anyway. So he said, well, by all means, Sevi, you take my club, you know, but unfortunately you can't, you know, to chip and pot for us. But he was the reason, from 1916. 77 onwards when Europe joined the Ryder Cup story, SEVI was the reason, you know, and he's, to this day, I was in the team room yesterday down at the club there

at Beth Page, pictures of SEVI everywhere, and I'm sure you'll find, and I hope so, you'll find that in 25 years' time, there's still pictures of SEVY in that team room of ours, and what passion that he brought to the Ryder Cup and what he meant to us as Europeans, yeah. Yeah, those are two good answers. Two good answers right there.

That's so cool, but seriously, I can't thank you two enough on location, five iron golf for us allowing us to be here. The Ryder Cup is so special. In my opinion, it's the greatest event in sports, and y'all two have played a huge part in it over the years, and it's been an honor to sit down with both of you and hear some of y'all stories. Thank you so much for joining us.

Not at all. Thank you for the time. All right, let's get this thing started. We're here to recap day one. of the Ryder Cup and what better way to do it than with a Rider Cup legend who is probably in a pretty good mood today after day one we got Tony Jacqueline joining us seven-time rider cup participant captain four times just an absolute legend Tony thank you for joining us how we doing pleasure I'm fine doing just fine yeah very happy with the result today I bet you are European stump one.

Yeah, five and a half to two and a half. It's been a long time since anyone's won on foreign soil, but the Europeans are looking really good after day one. As a guy who's done it all, can you just explain a little bit why it is so difficult to win on the road in the Ryder Cup? Well, I mean, obviously the home crowd is a big thing, but getting ahead as they did today,

really quieten the home crowd and you know people started to leave early afternoon I mean they could see the sort of inevitability of it and you know they really did get off to a fast start this morning and so the crowd were very

subdued I thought and you know what had they not got off to that fast start it could have been totally different but it was what it was and it is what it is. And if America doesn't get off to a pretty fast start tomorrow and morning, this thing could all end quite quickly.

Absolutely. But I just want to go back to 1987 real quick, because you were captain when Europe won on American soil for the first ever time. How important was that, and how much did that mean to you? Well, it meant the world. I mean, it was the greatest week of my life. You know, my majors were. from a personal accomplishment, one of you very important,

but being involved with the 12 guys. But one of the really interesting things about New Yorkfield Village and where we were, Jack had hosted 11 memorial tournaments by 1987. And the bulk of the crowd, believe it or not, were memorial tournament spectators. And I'll never forget, because we went over there determined, you know, we won in 85, which gave us some momentum to do something very special.

But that memorial crowd were not as enthusiastic as Jack would have liked them to be. during that and I never forget seeing him and the manager was not with us anymore but what a great guy he was John

anyway they were running around the clubhouse Jackson we've got to get these people involved you know and they started handing these little flags out to all the PGA members but it was like

you know closing the gate after the horse had bolted we were all off and running. And it was a significant difference. It really did make a big difference, you know, the fact that the gallery were reluctant. There was a reticence in them to not get over-enthused about the American team. And in the end, it cost them. Well, absolutely. I mean, a lot of people credit you for changing the Ryder Cup. One, you brought Sevi by Astero's back, which obviously he was a much different character,

and we've got one of those on the American team right now in Bryce and DeCambeau. How did you go about handling a guy that was a little different than the rest of them? Well, Savi, I was interested, actually, to hear Branzal Chambley's saying that, you know, Des Chambot would be a difficult guy to captain. And, you know, I don't know Chambly,

but I mean Des Chambot very well but I can understand what he meant by that statement in Sevi's case Sevi was committed to Europe needing to win this thing and we were good friends

and I talked to him very personally about everything and he was totally committed and he said you know whatever you said you know whatever you said is fine. I actually tried to involve him once or twice in pairings and, you know, whether,

and he said, you do it. You're a good captain. You're a great captain. You do it. And he left it to me. And I used him. I used him big time, you know, whether it was in the team room, I could ask him anything. I could, you know, go and give him a shoulder up. you know, and tell him how well you think he's swinging, you know. And he would be right there, you know, we'll play good today, oh, I thought. And he was incredible. And so it was a two-way street as far as we were concerned. He was an amazing guy, and he had a passion for the event. Absolutely.

Well, it's a pleasure to welcome Claude Harmon, also to this very special live edition. of subpart on location. Hi, Claude. Hey, the 73rd rank golfer in the world played pretty good today. Yeah, he did. He's pretty good. We'll get to that a second. I want to ask Mr. Jacqueline one more thing, though, because through playing seven rider cups and captain four,

could you ever imagine the Ryder Cup would turn into what it is today? I mean, it's a spectacle out there. You probably weren't doing too many podcasts back in your day after play. I mean, somebody was saying two days ago, did a captain's mate and greet at one of the courses and somebody said

well they're the caddies are even involved in the sort of some of the decision what? He said we weren't allowed to take our caddies with us before 1983

so that was one of the things that was a bit different health I mean this thing has grown beyond I just can't believe it but it

proves that people love team they love to get behind team individuals they admire and all the rest of it but when it comes to a team thing look at soccer I mean I'm not a big soccer fan

I used to be when I was a kid but I got to where the culture wasn't the right as far for me what I wanted but You know, it's got so enormous in the UK, for example, now. People are passionate about it, and they get doubly passionate about this thing when it comes to, you know, playing for your country. And of course, all that first, my last Ryder Cup as a player was 79,

which was the first European match. And we only had two representatives from Europe in that team. that was Garido and Sebi. And subsequent to that, we've had, I think, 15 different European nations involved, you know, whether it's Norway or Sweden, whatever. I mean, it's mind-blowing. And Gulf has expanded in all those countries because of these individuals. Langer, obviously, you know, was a leader in Germany.

and the game has exploded across Europe since then and because of these guys and essentially because of this event. Yeah, I mean the Ryder Cup is just so special. It's the greatest event in golf, in my opinion, and you mentioned the home crowd and everybody that's out there. I'm going to challenge these American people from New York City. We've got to get a little rowdyer tomorrow.

I thought they took it pretty easy on the Europeans today. Maybe start drinking a little earlier, guys. There towards the end, it got pretty good. Good, Claude. I know you were out there, but they were pretty tame, I thought, early on. Yeah, I mean, well, they were tame because they were getting beat. Yeah, that's fair. Not much to cheer about, I guess. It was an interesting day. I mean, I think the great thing about the Ryder Cup Colton is we always see some amazing golf. We always see players make putts when they need to, make putts at the right time.

And then the momentum shift this morning, I thought when John Rom and Tiro Hatton, when they got out of position, I mean, that shot Rom hit. and then the one hat hit off the pine straw and off that... By the stick. I think that really changed the momentum. And I think the great thing, and Tony, you know this as a player and as a captain, I think it's about momentum shifts. And if you can ride that momentum shifts, if you can come into foreign soil and quiet the crowd or you can get the crowd going,

but there's always those turning points to where all of the sudden something happens. And then it seems like there's a cascade of, effect to the other matches, and you can see it coming. In 85, Craig Stadler missed a putt on the last hole this long. Well, why don't your guy give it to him? Because it was this long. That completely shifted his work, the momentum. We never looked back after that, and I was with Sebi when we saw it on TV.

We weren't actually on the green, but Sevi jumped in the air, and said, that's it. And it was absolutely the turning point. We never looked back. That was the first win for 30 years. I know that the cohesiveness of the European team is unbreakable. Absolutely. And they're going to be really, really, really tough. There's no doubt about that.

Well, Claude, I know you're probably thinking the same. I hope it gets a little bit closer tomorrow, so Sunday's fun. but Claude, thank you so much for coming out. Tony, it's been an absolute pleasure and an honor, my man. Thank you so much for join us. And thank you all for coming out. All right, what a week it was at the Rider Cup. Shout out to On Location, Five Iron Golf for having us out.

Those interviews, fantastic. I know they're short. Wish we could spend some more time with them, A-Zinger, all-timer. Monty, by the way, I, you were one of those guys as an American. You never liked Monty growing up. He's the guy I hate. Yeah, because of the Rider Cup. he is so awesome.

I saw him do with some TV a couple years ago. I was like, damn, he's really good at that. Like really well-spoken. Tells great stories. I love sitting down with him and Tom Lehman. He's the most like, misunderstanding. He's the most like polar opposite

on course, off course guy. You could think of. He's fun. And then Tom Lehman's great, too. He's going to be in studio here in the coming weeks. We'll have him on as a guest full time and we'll get into the weeds with him. Yeah, and Tony Jacqueline, I mean, God.

T-Jack. 81 years old. Just a wonderful human. What a beast, huh? Love him. But that was a lot of fun. You want to gamble? a little.

Tony? No, do you want to? Oh, do I want to gamble? I don't know if Tony wants to do. I want to gamble. Let's gamble. I like to gamble. All right, make sure you download

the Fanatic Sportsbook app. Follow along with us. We had a very nice week at the Ryder Cup. But this week, we're on to the Sanderson Farm Championship. The second event of the fall series. How many Ryder Cup is playing? I'm going to go zero. There's actually four, I believe, playing over at the Dunhill.

No shit? Yeah. That's unbelievable. I mean, I guess maybe it's like a victory lap. Actually, Rasmus Hoygard is teeing it up this week at the Sanderson Farms. Erasmus is? Oh, God. Yeah.

Put him out as a single. Tirohattan, Matt Fitzpatrick. I can't remember a couple others are definitely teeing it up at the Dunhill. That's crazy world, by the way. I showed Taralhattan hitting balls today. He's like, wonder if he's still hung over. I'm like, probably a pretty good chance. God bless him.

All right. Let's get to our picks. Once again, download that Fanatic Sportsbook app and follow along with this. We're going to do a little golf and football for you this week. Starting it off with the golf. The field's not that good. but let's be honest. This man, he hasn't won yet on the PJ tour.

I think he's going too soon, but I damn sure think he should finish in the top 20, and you're getting plus 170 on it. Give me Alex Smalley. Okay. I like that. Yeah, this is a week to just swing for it. I'm going with a big return.

Big return here this week. Got plus four hundred on this one. This is a man who has played in a Ryder Cup, played in President's Cup, didn't have his best stuff this past year, been working hard in his game. I fully expect him to find it. I don't expect him to be down for long,

but max home at top 10 plus 400. In that field, I think that's pretty damn good. I mean, if he goes out there and plays the way he can't, like, he should, that's, I like that.

I have to feel he was a little motivated, sit at home watching the Rider Cup. After being there in Rome and playing, what do you go, four and one in Rome? Yeah, he and Kentley were our best. I mean,

and also he just, like, after the year he said, just give me a clean break. It's like when you have a shitty front night and I like, all right, back nine, like reset. This is kind of that for him.

All right, Let's get to some football here. I think we're both staying in the college football world. And this game, I mean, it's still got a lot of hype, but it looked like going in. You could have two undefeated teams, restore the rivalry that was Florida State in Miami. Florida State is coming off a devastating loss to Virginia, where I'm pretty sure one of the receivers just got trampled by the entire-

That was the most aggressive. Virginia campus. I mean, good God. That was the most aggressive field storming I've ever seen. But they are at home with Miami-com. coming in. Miami's riding high right now. They think they are back to the U. Florida State catching four and a half at home. Give me the Seminoles. Hungry. Hungry coming off the loss. That was a game as a kid that I used to like.

That was like my favorite game to watch. And now it's back to mattering again, which is cool. Here are the things that will be said at that game. Yeah. Go ahead and get down there and tell me where you think the American fans are. I mean, God, dang. I'm going to go with a league that I really never watch play that much football at all. But you just mentioned them, and this is the ACC. Virginia, coming off that win, they're scoring a lot of points right now. Actually, their quarterback, former TCU kid transfer, but they're catching seven and a half against Louisville and I've been betting favorites,

like, every week, I feel like so far. Hopefully they're not a little like, you know, hungover, celebration, all that stuff from the big win last week because that was monstrous. But give me seven and a hook. All right. Louisville. There you have it. Well, as you said, we've got to thank Zone once again for that awesome.

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Love that. All right. That's going to do it for our Rider Cup recap show. All eyes now. We're on the President's Cup. We're focused on the President's Cup. Yeah, let's get that one figured out. It was a dare manner for everything. All right. Y'all have a good one. We'll talk to you next week.