Subpar - Billy Ray Brown Interview: Winning 3 NCAA Championships with Steve Elkington at Houston, going head to head with Tiger Woods

Episode Date: September 13, 2022

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, 3-time PGA Tour Winner Billy Ray Brown joins former PGA Tour pro Colt Knost and jicky jack legend Drew Stoltz for an exclusive interview. The former Houston Cougar talks winning 3 NCAA Championships in 4 years, getting lost on his way to go cover a playoff and having dinner with Curtis Strange while holding the lead at the US Open.   Subpar Podcast: https://linktr.ee/Golf1271 Birdie Juice Merch: https://proshop.golf.com/collections/birdie-juice-collection -- Thanks to our official sponsor Dewar's. Make sure to check out their Reserve Bar listings today: https://www.reservebar.com/collections/house-of-dewars    This week's episode is presented by FanDuel Sportsbook. If you've never tried FanDuel Sportsbook, what are you waiting for? Go to https://www.fanduel.com/subpar or download the FanDuel Sportsbook app to get started. Be sure to sign up with promo code SUBPAR so they know we sent you. Disclaimer: 21+ and present in AZ, CO, CT, IA, IL, NJ, NY, or WY. 1st online real money wager only. $10 first deposit required. Bonus issued as non-withdrawable site credit that expires 14 days after receipt. Restrictions apply. See full terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), Call 1-800-522-4700 (CO), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (NJ, IA, IL), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY(467369) (NY), or 1-800-522-4700 (WY).

Hello world. Welcome back to golf subpar with Colt-nosed Ed Drew Stoltz. Well, there was some golf being played this week, Sleeves, but there was a lot more football. And once again, my heart's been ripped out by my beloved Dallas Cowboys. One week into the season, it's already over. I'm done. You want to talk about it? I want to lay down on the couch. I don't even know. That was ugly. It was awful. Not only did Dak Prescott get hurt. They just played terrible the whole time, scored three points. The defense, I'm okay with giving up 19 to Tom Brady.

the offense just didn't do their part. And now Dak Prescott's going to be out six to eight weeks. I don't know what the hell they're going to do. Cooper Cup or Cooper Rush. I wish Cooper Cup was on. You might want to trade for Cooper Cup. We should actually get Cooper Cup. It would be genius.

See if we can throw to himself. Cooper Rush for Cooper Cup straight up. Straight up. Straight up. No cash options. The Cooper Rush is the man under center now for the Cowboys. That's going to be a problem, I think. There has been some talks, possibly Cam Newton.

You know, would they make a trade for Jimmy Jeep? Just heard on the radio driving over here. A guy called in, said, Nick Foles. Maybe he's up at the Colts, backup for Matt Ryan. Well, I'm not having Nick Foles down. He did all right with the Eagles. I think you need something.

I don't know if it's, is week one too early to start tanking? Is it too early to just say, we stink Bryce Young next year? Let's get him. I don't think the quarterback is the issue. I know he's hurt. I think, yeah, you paid him a lot of money. You know, I have not been the biggest proponent of this Mike McCarthy hire. I'm a big Sean Payton guy.

and I'm okay with them just sucking the rest of the year. Forcing his hand. You're out. Sean Payton, come on in, take over. You know, get to spend an offseason with Dak. I think big things would happen. That was a tough one to have as the featured game on Sunday night, week one. It was a field goal fest starting off.

By the way, kickers in the NFL also suck ass. It's not just college. It's been a bad. How about Justin Reed, though, for the Chiefs? The safety that comes in, takes over kicking duties. He's better than half of the league already. I was with cleats on. I was at the game.

I went and checked out the Cardinals and the Chiefs. Chiefs, they're going to do all right without Tyree Hill. They're okay. They're pretty good, but it's a lot of fun. It's just so great to have the NFL back along with college football. Texas almost pulled off an incredible upset. I know Jordan Speath was freaking out. Justin Thomas was actually in Las Vegas watching.

And I mean, he would have, I think he might have had a heart attack if they lost. That's like a two-week recovery period on that game. I'll take the over because Jordan Speath would not let him hear the end of it. It would be the shaved head thing that he mentioned on the radio would have been nice. I don't know that either of those guys ever come back from that. They shaved the head. But how about Scotty Shuff? We're being down there on the field,

getting presented with the Player of the Year trophy. Very well deserved. And damn near Saw Texas upset Bama. Not great for us when our, I think I called it the triple mortgage parlay of the week when it's done after the first game. Not ideal for us. So we move, that's a loss. We moved to two and one though on the year on our football bet.

14 parlay. We got a little cocky. Went out on a limb. Triple mortgage. Now you just quadruple mortgage your house. Exactly. All you do is just lever up, lever up until you win. finally.

You can't lose them all. Don't worry about any of these text numbers we're going to tell you at the end of the show. Just keep going. Keep on park out. We got a couple more can't missers. But, yeah, shockingly, I think it was over relatively quick. Baylor then also loses in double overtime, which as an underdog. I feel like you should win.

If you take a dog, I took a money line, by the way. If a dog, the money line makes it overtime, you should just win the bet. Like, they're supposed to lose. Call Fandle, let them know that. I'm going to ask for some sort of refund on that. They're, I'm sure. Once Bama and covered, I didn't even pay a touch. the other three games.

I was like, well, once you win one, it's all over. Yeah, once it was clear we weren't going to cover. I was like, well, I might as well just go ahead and lose and have to be an incredible story. Make sure Texas is bad. Of course not. Yeah. Texas was almost back. Texas moved into the top 25 with a loss. That's nice.

Play Bama every week. Just keeps sliding up. You don't get your ass here. Incredible atmosphere down there, though. It was nice. That was fun one, fun one to watch. But there was some golf being played. Huge event over at the BMW PGA.

Shane Lowry, the big fella, getting it done over Rory McElroy and John Rom. John Rom, the final round, 62 with an Eagle on 18, back 929. With a boge. With a bogey.

Rory had a chance on the last for Eagle. Just missed, but Shane Lowry, one of the favorites going in, was so pumped after this win. I mean, he was, this is a big one. This tournament's meant a lot to him

has a lot of the guys that played a lot of golf on the DP World Tour. This is a big time event. First win for him since the Open Championship. I feel like you should have won a couple more since then. He's been right there numerous times.

I've been playing good. There's a chance he's just now getting over the shakes. But I was fun to, how about the irony, too, of the thing? You get all the live guys, 18 dudes over there playing in it, all of a sudden, oh, hey, it's going to be 54 holes. Like, here it comes, both sides, go at it, 54 holes. It's not a real tournament, exhibition points, all the shit. And it just happened to turn out like that.

Shane didn't seem to mind. It seemed to mean a lot to him. Big paycheck, a lot of points. Congratulations, Shane Lowry. He had a hell of a celebration last night. Was a little hung up. He put on Twitter the morning after the night before. He looked good that morning after.

It looked a little bit. Same clothes. I've looked in the mirror and seen something very similar to that before. Same close. I know that feeling. I know that feeling well. The man can put down some cocktails. Yeah.

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It was unbelievable. I think we broke every pace of play policy out at Silverleaf between back stretches on the T, theragon usage, not believing me where he needed to hit the golf ball off the T. Oh, it was a special guy. What do you know? What I know? I know. I want to play a thousand times.

No. The staff bag I got to assume was filled up to the brim. He carries more shit with him. It's like a backpack. The process of him getting ready to play around a golf, I mean, it's like, oh, you tee off at nine. All right, I need to wake up at 4.30. And get ready. Dude's got some stress with the back. 10-20 tea time. Yeah. He takes an earlier car. We had two groups of all CBS people. Got to play with the legend Jim Nance as well. But he took an early car because he wanted to get out there in one more. Text me at 830. Hey, bud, I'm here where you at. T off an hour and 50 minutes. I'm sitting on my couch. I'm seven minutes away, seven seconds away.

Yeah, I live two minute golf cart, by the way. So I had to get there at nine o'clock. I was like, what am I going to do for an hour and a half? He and I run into some issues when it's like, hey, we tee off at this time. I'm like, cool, we teaw at nine. Cool, so get there at 845, grab a drink, slap a few, chunk a few eights, go to the tea. No, we're getting there at 6. Okay, I'm just, I'll separate.

You'd be exhausted. Separate car. Yeah. Yeah, I'll meet you there. We got slightly different warm-up routines. I would say his warm up for one round is a, equivalent to your entire year. That's my year of practice.

Yeah. Yeah. And he, I mean, he loves himself some golf, but it ain't no casual. Let's just go hit it around. It's like every shot, life or death. But in a serious note, it was fun. Cheers to Tony. Cheers to doers.

And how about our guests? How about Nancy, though, real quick? Give me Nancy's game because I've not played with them. It's got to be silky smooth, not long off the tee. Perfect tempo. Gets it up, you know, around the green. Makes a lot of pars, probably not a lot of tweets, but just smooth just like he is in the booth, true or false?

Couldn't be more spot. on. There you go. The least shocking thing ever. Freddie couples like rhythm. Yeah, got to be. Just straight as can be. Hits it out there.

Just loves the game. Just everything he does. Smooth. You ruin with Freddie in college, you're going to have some tempo. Guarantee. That swing's never going to be short fast. That's not Jimmy. It was a lot of fun.

And Nance also knows a little something about our guest this week. A fellow Houston Cougar. He is an on course broadcaster for the golf channel, three-time winner on the PG-tour. And I'm telling you, you guys are going to love this man after hearing this. Billy Ray Brown is a beauty. We know him from moving on the course. I think he's better off the course.

He's one of the dudes you want to hang with. Die hard, Houston Coog was probably crushed alongside me this week when they lost in double overtime. Another money line dog I took that lost. But he bleeds Cougar Red. And he's just, we need more of him like on all the broadcast. He's a good old boy. Get him out there. Yeah, exactly.

He's funny. He's just how he is. Like that, you know, there's no tricks. It's just authentic. He's awesome. All right, here he is. Billy Ray Brown on Golf Subpar. All right.

folks we got one of the great personalities in the game with us here today is a three-time winner on pjah tour three-time NCAA champ at the university of houston currently broadcasting for the golf channel the great billy ray brown what's up billy hey boys thanks for getting me in there man you're talking about characters to your right that's the biggest character in golf riding out to you right you get me oh man well that's very nice i'm just trying to follow in those big footsteps of years my man And you know what? My size, it is big footstuffs. I can tell you that.

No doubt. I've got it. But, hey, I want to go back to some earlier days because I didn't know you back in the day. But all I hear about from all your friends is how incredible of an athlete you were. You were good at everything you did. And you're obviously, we're a hell of a golfer. But you weren't really recruited that highly coming out of high school. I was kind of a multi-sport guy.

You know, a little background from where I came from. You know, my dad played the NFL with the Raiders. And my brother played with the St. Louis Cardinal, his sister, was a tennis player as well in college. So I was kind of a multi-sport. I played a lot of basketball, baseball, and football as well. And golf really didn't get high on my priority less until after my junior year. You know, honestly, now it was probably the best decision it was, but I just didn't focus on the game. Man, I was more worried about busting heads on Friday night, you know, and then playing.

in golf, but that's kind of secondary. Then, you know, after my junior year, I had some success in high school, my junior year on the team. We really had a good team. We had basically, we won three state championships, five eight championships. Back then it was four. I was the biggest you get. So I had some good team members. A couple of guys went on to play at Texas in A&M, but it just wasn't high on my priority list, man. But I had some success in high school. Then I figured with my dad and brother, the position in which I played, you got to be honest with you. I had a gross spurt in college, but I was 5-11 at defense the back. And, you know, I had some looks for college football, but I wasn't going to do anywhere in playing. I mean, I just didn't fit the bowl from the

position I play. I wasn't going to be good enough at all. And so they were very instrumental in me making that move to there to see if I can take to the next level. Did you like football better as a kid in high school growing up? You just switched to golf? You're like, look, I can't play this position at the college level. I need to find something I can. That's a hell of a question because I would probably say I enjoyed golf more, but there was a little bit of pressure to play football.

If anybody tells you, they like frapping two days in the summer, getting your ass kicked all the time. And that wasn't fun for me. It was enjoyable, you know, once you got to the game. But, you know, it's intense training, stuff like that. I had more fun playing golf than I did football. I will say that. Well, you ended up at Houston, which was a damn powerhouse back in the day.

How'd you end up there? Because like you said, you didn't get recruited by a whole lot of schools, but somehow Houston gave you a look. Well, it's interesting to say that. You know, I made a couple visits. I went to Oklahoma State. I went to Oklahoma. And I went to Houston.

I played on, like I said, really good high school team. I had offers, but I made an early commitment to Houston because that's where my family all played at. My brother played there. Obviously, my dad played football there. Both my daughters play softball there right now. My wife's here there. So that is a deep tradition that I had.

So I committed early. I didn't take many recruits. I said, yeah, this is where I would like to go. But at that time, I think we'd won. 13 national championships before I got there. And then, you know, Coach Williams always had, he had a stable full of guys. You know, you look at the history of the guys that played there,

that it was really second to none at that time. And so they still had the rich tradition with Dave Williams. And it's ironic guys that the guy after my dad left Mount Vernon, Texas. I know this is east of Dallas. I'm sure if you know Mount Vernon, Texas just, That's where my dad grew up with Bobby Maples and Don Meredith, you know. And he went to SMU. My dad originally went to SMU from Mount Vernon and met a guy named Force.

Greg, who was a long time NFL player and Brown's head coach and introduced my dad to alcohol. He felled out his first year at SMU. And Dave Williams, my college coach was a football coach there as well and recruited my dad. That's how young he was. to my dad to come at the University of Houston. So I had known literally Dave Williams before I was even present on this earth. So. Oh, wow. Yeah.

It was a, it was a weird story. But, you know, they had a close relationship. And why didn't you want to go there? I really knew if I went there, I had a chance to do something. And you're spot on. I mean, I got there and went, wait a minute, boys. I looked in my bag and said, I don't have them shots. Some boys are having right now.

I got some work to do. So we went to work. At least he didn't end up at SMU. A lot of people get out of there real quick, Billy Ray. Sleys couldn't even get in the door. Oh, God. They weren't paying back then like they used to. Yeah, well, you know, Dallas, you know,

SMU, they've done their gig too, man. They're going out of it as well. It's, you know, Colt, you and I have kind of been behind the eight ball with our both universities, not in Power Five. systems and, you know, both schools have been really competitive. And, man, especially, you know, the talent that SMU gets, you're never not going to tell a kid not to go to SMU because you're going to get better there too. They can play.

Oh, yeah. They're golf programs in a really good spot right now. But I want to go back to what you said because you said when you showed up at Houston, you're like, oh, I don't have that shot in my bag. I got a lot of work to do. Well, you obviously figured it out pretty quickly because you won NCAA as a freshman. Yeah, you know. I figured it out.

Yeah, well, you know, it was interesting. I figured out how to play the game. I was always pretty good athletic. I was always really, really good from tea to green. Always. It just, it came natural to me. Dude, I couldn't, I was terrible. If I got outside of Bermuda grass,

I couldn't play a lick. And I was terrible around the greens, because you know why? Because I didn't work my ass off to do it. I was always hitting balls the whole time. And finally learned that when I started trying to qualify that from T's, to green, I was better than a lot of those guys on my team, but you look at the end of the day,

they're beating me whipping my ass by four or five shots around because around the greens. So I really went to work, and I'll never forget it, Coach Williams called my dad on Christmas day, Christmas day. I'm at home for Christmas break and told me that I'm not putting in the time that I need to. And of course, that's all my dad needed to hear. And so he stuck his foot in my tail. And I'll never forget Christmas day, I was up at. Quill Valley Golf Club where I played and it was freezing cold.

It was a bluebird day. You know those bluebird northern days there in Dallas and in Texas itself. It was windy and cold. I got an old Shabbeck started shipping and I kind of stuck with it. And lo and behold, I got a chance to qualify. And actually, I qualified for the tournament. The first one in the spring and Coach Williams wasn't going to take me because I tied with the guy you probably know from the Dallas area,

Mike Neese, who played on my team. Okay, yeah. And he left qualifying. I choked coming down the stretch, and we tied the callfire. Well, he was going to take the upper classman. So I called bullshit on it. And so we ended up meeting at Herman Park at 5 a.m. in the morning. Herman Park is a zoo right in downtown Houston.

They have a golf course there called Herman Park. I met him at 5 a.m. for one playoff who was going to go to the trip to Beaumont. And I buried the first hole. And I think I finished fourth that week when we won as a team. And so that kind of got things rolling. But to get to that point, Colt, you know, I was pretty damn pigheaded about not putting in the work to get it, you know, be a well-rounded player. And is it true at NCAA is that Pioneer's? You got it up and down on 18 to win the individual title.

I certainly did. At Pioneer's number two, I hit it over the green. And, you know, it was weird because back then it was more team-oriented, to be honest, with you because that's that's where that's what we were taught to believe it use and you play for the name on your bag and on the back of your shirt. I knew I was right there, but I was more concerned about the team until I found out around 16 there that, hey, I got a, I got a one shot leave,

but I got it up and down to win by two. I didn't Andy Dillard ended up making bogey and I believe Corey Pavin made bogey as well. And I ended up winning my two, but I got it up and down. but you know over the green OB was right there too almost hit it out of bounce so pull one off pull the rabbit out of the hat there if you say wow that little uh christmas day phone call from the coach kicking the nuts uh change your life right there i want to take you back to the beginning though you said you showed up there's some dudes there i mean houston's the juggernaut well you walk in day one and your roommate is a fellow from australia

named steve elkington give me the first impression the first time you shook hands with steve what you were thinking well first thing i said i didn't know what the hell he said be honest with you. He had the deep assail stringing accent. You know, he was skinning, had a, had a hair that looked like a brillo pad, you know, that hair that he has, a blonde hair looked like a brillo pad. And we started talking a little bit. And I sat there going, I'm not sure if I can understand what a word with this guy saying.

Until the next day, we went out to a place called Texaco Country Club. You know, when you recruited there, they take you, they take you the River Oaks, Houston Country, club, lock and bar, you know, this is where you're going to play all the time. Well, you get there as a freshman, we went, we had a golf course called Texaco Country Club, literally Texaco, the old refrauding owned a course off I10 East and it was nine holes and mosquitoes were bigger than I was. And so Elkington, they sent our ass out there to have to go play. And we played nine holes and I went, I understand now. This guy, I'm telling you, he could swing his golf club, you know, confident always, but I'm telling you, just amazing. And he immediately got

in the lineup because he was well-rounded. But, you know, and Steve is the type of guy. It's interesting. We've stayed really close through time. And, Coach, you know him as well. Steve is a type of guy that he's going to tell you exactly what he's thinking, you know. Sometimes it robs people the wrong way. You know, it's rubbed me wrong way a couple times in college, and he'll tell you the same

thing. It's not like we were close and we were roommates. It wasn't like we didn't throw a couple shots at each other, too. I can tell you that, you know. No doubt about it. Did that swing always, did it look in college the way it did when he was on the PGA tour? It certainly did. It was something. You know, Colt, the only thing different about it when he got, you know, when he got there and when he left and got on tour, luckily at that time we had access to some of the best teachings, teachers in the game. Butchie was just getting to Lockenbar. His dad, Claude, was out at Locken Bar. Then, of course, Dick Harmon was at River Oaks. And so we kind of snatched. on of the Harman brothers right there. And what they do with Steve, though,

they just tighten his swing up a bit. And, you know, it only got better. It only got better. You know, you didn't think he could get it better. He had a little bitty irons that were, you know, little bitty blades on these things. And he just, he could hit some of the most beautiful looking shots.

Well, he wasn't the only stud that lived in that dorm room over there. You also had a guy named Hakeem, Elijah, one, and Clyde Drexler that happened to be at college the same time you were. What was your relationship like with those guys? Yeah, I got to tell you, it really stayed with Clyde still to this day. But when Akeem and Clyde got there, it was, you know, that was kind of the, that was the start of the era, the four years that I was there was all five slam and gentleman that started with the king. Akeem got there, to be honest with you, they dropped him off at Hall Fines Pavilion coming in from Africa. And he didn't, he didn't know where the hell he was.

So he could barely speak English. And of course, Clyde, being there from Sterling High School in Houston, It was amazing to watch those guys mel together as a team. But he's talking about his characters. You know, Clyde, Clyde's funny. But I tell you who's funny as hell is Akeem. You know, Akeem does still very involved at school at Houston. But Clyde, to this day, you know, he plays a ton of all.

Now, he will get, if you give him the right odds, he's going to tell you, you know, if it's dark outside, the son's not coming up and he'll bet on it. I can tell you that. Like that. Yeah. Give him my phone number. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. That's fine. But yeah, that was, that was an interesting because they were having success. We were having success. We all kind of hung around together, you know, eating at the dying hall. It was interesting.

I will say after their sophomore year, after the second run of the five slamming JAMA, Clyde stayed around. He stayed in the dorms, but access to those guys back in that day, it was pretty tough. And we see each other just about every, every night, but spending time at night doing college kids,

you know, they weren't really able to do that stuff. It was, they were that celebrity group, you know, their safe haven was back at the dorm. And literally, we had to stay at the dorm. There was not an option. You had to stay at the dorm. And, but those guys became bigger than life out there. there, but they always were grounded as hell, man.

That's what fascinated me. It taught you these guys are the best in the game at what they do, and they're, they, they were grounded as hell. And they loved to have fun, you know, Colbert, Aaron Allenman, that's for sure. But they like to have fun. Wasn't Carl Lewis in there at the same time, too? I, you know, I have him. I got to tell you, it was so funny.

Carl, Carl, Carl's now the head track coach. We had Carl Lewis on one wing at the very end of our hall, It's Carl Lewis, Leroyal, all Olympic gold medal owners, Anthony Ketchum, and they lived down at the very end of the hall, and we lived to the very end of the other side of the hall. And Carl Lewis and Leroyal would stick their heads out of the doors, and we would try to hit one irons from one side of the tee down to the other out of the room and hit one irons down there and try to go through the other window, you know, being college kids, getting

windows but no, Carl still talks about it all the time. And it's funny you say that basketball season is getting ready to heat up and my wife and the family. Carl's did every game. I don't obviously on the road to make all the games, but Carl's are all the time. And so we spend a ton of time together during basketball season. Did you think Carl might launch into a musical career at that point if track didn't work out, rely on that voice? Dude, After that national anthem, he has not lived it down. Guys will come, you know, we're like tailgating before football games and Carl come by and some of the boys. And they'll start singing the national anthem of tune.

Of course, he turns around and gives him the number one sign, you know. I would like, screw you guys. He hasn't lived that down. That was something. Hold on. Hold on. Stay with me now. Stay with me in the middle of anthem.

That's incredible. That's one of the most famous things he's known for. He's like the world's greatest athlete, fast and dude and all people. old medals and he's most famous for boxing the national anthem that's a quote on hold on stay with me I mean what a group of guys that are all there at one time that's oh yeah yeah uh it it was something and we all just kind of hung together we didn't know any better because you got to think about it uh at that and of course you work with him every week nance is the one that kept a lot of that stuff together he got everything kind of moving because jim was still um my freshman year

Jim was still hanging around doing some public address announcement for the for the basketball team so Jim was around there all the time I mean it was you know he bleeds red you know that cold I mean jeez almighty he still has a NAN still has so much to do he's done so much for the school but you throw in that and in that basketball team we just kind of did everything we expected it it was weird because it was that time we were just in the Southwest Conference football was was doing well. We had some good players there that went on to the Cowboys. But, geez, we all kind of

fed off each other, but didn't know what the hell we were doing, to be honest with you. If we did, we'd probably even have been successful. That's wild if you look back. I mean, you've got the most famous broadcaster in the world in there. You got the world's fastest man in Carl Lewis. You got two of the top 50 ever to play basketball, and you got major champions in the same dorm at the same time. Like, that's, like, looking back on it, that's pretty wild. Yeah, it is. You know, when we do a Hall of Honor every year, and I'll always, bring somebody there. There's people, you know, between swimming and I.

I mean, you know, school is dead. Every school's got their own little niche. And every, especially great university, you look at S&U as well. You can throw that in there as well, Cote. Everyone's got their own little niche. I mean, you start talking SMU golf. Look what came out of there. You got the NCAA champion.

You got, you know, a major winner there with Paine Stewart. And you got obviously Coat, major winner there wearing the U.S. amateur. Dude, that goes a long way. you know you kind of hang your hat on that because those are special times and let's just keep talking about this more this really this please really we're going to add it all of the slees went to tCU say something shitty about SMU real quick really they're all princesses i want to say this because people take that shit for granted you know that it just comes natural you know that it comes easy but man there's a lot of shit that goes in behind it to get to that point and you know as far as the universe is is concerned

they should cherish and just adore these guys that played there and keep them involved in the program. I don't know how it's for you, Colt, but, you know, we as a golf team, we're not that close anymore. I mean, my teammates are, but involved in our program right now, not like I want to be. And we're not very good right now, to be honest with you. I like to be closer to it, you know. So I think it's up to some of the institutions that, especially where we're, we went to school cult, I think they should really, really cherish that, you know, people went there and had success because people actually want to be, you know, back.

I don't know about, I'm not speaking for you, but I'm sure you like to be more involved at SMU as much as you could. No, they do a great job about reaching out and talking to the kids every once in a while, but asking for money. Asking for money, especially. But no, I mean, with the success, y'all had, I mean, three NCAA championships in four years. I mean, come on. That's incredible.

Yeah, you know, if it weren't, it should have been four. if it weren't for Elkington and I, you talked about Steve, we had the lead my junior year going into the final round with nine holes to go at San Juan King Valley at Fresno State, Oklahoma State and Texas was behind us, and Elkinton and I got on a bogey train and couldn't get off of that son of a bitch. I was sitting there choking.

We would want another one if it wasn't for Elkinson. Everybody else on the team played their ass off the last nine holes except for Elkinton and I, we dropped our pants and shit the bed there, you know. it happens it does but i mean and and you're going to shake your head at this but when i talked to elk he told me when you were in college you were a top five player in the world that's how good you were and everyone i talked to before you start saying no no no everyone i talked to raves about how talented you were but you ended up turning pro after houston and it got took you a little bit to get going why do you think that was you know it's interesting um by my own omission um

I didn't it goes back to when I got into college. I didn't prepare us hard. I learned from a lot of really good players and when I look back on my career that were number one in the world, some of the best players. There are times you have to be selfish and very single minded and that be your main focus and that's that's high on your priority list. I got to be honest with you, Cole. It was about number four, number five of what I was doing. If I didn't get to if I wasn't bird hunting, fish and doing nothing, you know, hanging out, smoking barbecue. You know, it kind of fell on that line. And until Dick Harmon finally said, hey, what do you want to do? You're going to sit here and not win tournaments. You're going to sit here and be happy with finishing top tens and, you know, play two weeks to take three weeks off and you're going to go down there and drink beer and trout and redfish.

And I go, yeah, that's kind of, yeah, that's right. Exactly what I do. Yeah. Yeah. Until I got challenged, then I kind of went. to work. And then, you know, it everything kind of clicked in until that first time I broke my hand, you know, three, three surgeries on that. And then, you know, everyone talked about through that time when I felt like I was ready to get back and focus and I had the hand injuries. And everyone said,

well, your career was cut short by injury. Yeah, I will say, yeah, but I would be lying. I tell people to say, yeah, that was part of it, but I fucking lost every bit of my confidence. You know, you spend a lifetime trying to get confident. It only takes a couple weeks of poor play and you lose it all, you know, especially when you go on the shelf after you've had another hand shirt. If you come back, it's not like you got confidence again, you know. Physically, I probably could have done it. But, man, I just lost the prepare, you know, the will to prepare to win, you know.

I didn't lost the will to win, but I just, the will to prepare it was, was greater than what I, whatever had. But, yeah, I had a window where I thought that when I look back at it, you know, I wasted a little bit of time. Didn't you heard it the first time the week after you won? Like it was kind of starting to all click and you were going. It was like, here he comes. And then bam.

It was colonial, I believe. Yep. I just won the Nelson. I just come back and let's see. Kite beat me in Houston. I went to Paris that following week. And couples beat me in Paris. And then I came back to Colonial right after I won.

No, then I won at Dallas. Then I came back to Colonial and I birded the first two holes out, one and two. And I hit it back then, you know, I couldn't drive it around the corner. I kind of went on to the left-hand side, that dog leg left, you know, and had a tree root. That was just in the first cut. He had an old, you know, very small pecan root, and that was it. I mean, it just snapped rooskied. I had another one happen in Miami when it broke on an old inverted sprinkler head into.

a divot. I didn't know it was down there. Oh my God. Yeah. And then the last time it went, I was actually back playing good. I'd won again. And I was off cold. I wasn't taking anything. I mean, no pain medication, no, I wouldn't, I don't want to get into that. But I was, free. I wouldn't taped up anything. Everything felt good. I'd won again. And Easter weekend in Atlanta, Sugarloaf, peeing off on Saturday morning, on the way down, it gave way again. And that was it. I hit one shot and that was done and I knew just right there on the way down you just felt it and it was oh yeah I tried to come back after that cold but I was so bad man I was bad and said you know it's it's funny how I got into this gig after I was done Curtis strange kept reaching out

to me telling me you're done you can't play like you know how Curtis is he was back at ABC at that time and Curtis goes you're done once you come I'm trying to do some television with this at AV. I said, no, I'm going to play, Curtis. I was, you know, giving it the Yomans try. And funny, in Milwaukee at Brown Deer Park, Jack Graham and Curtis Strange drove by. They were looking at the golf course where they went on there.

And Kerr's drives by and said, hey, Billy Ray, I see there's another number next to your name and it's not red. It's black. You're over par again, aren't you? That's what he would say. And I finally, I said, I looked over at Jack Graham and said, hey, is that opportunity to come in and audition to see if that's still open? I'm ready to be done.

That was kind of the end of it there. Well, I'm glad you brought up Curtis Strange because I heard an awesome story about when you were leading the U.S. Open at Medina in 1990. You're tied for the lead heading into Sunday, and you went to dinner with Curtis Strange, correct? Correct. And it's very interesting. Give you a little pep talk.

Well, I will say he had just won back-to-back, 88 and 89. and Curtis and I were very close. You know, we formed this bond when I first got out on tour because of Dick Harmon. Both our instructors were Harmon guys and he worked with Dick as well. And so we hit it off. Curtis and I were close and it's still pretty close as well. But on Saturday night, on Friday night, I was getting done. And Curtis and Sarah were waiting for Cindy and I.

My wife, Cindy, been 36 years in June it was. She's a lucky lady, man. I'm telling you. So anyway, hit the lottery. Yeah, Curtis and Sarah were waiting there, and I came out of the locker. He says, I don't know what you're doing right now. You're not going anywhere. You're going to dinner with Sarah and I right now, us too.

So we did that Friday and Saturday night. He went through every scenario. That's probably him. Yep. Curtis, you're talking about. Yeah. It was Packer. That makes sense.

Yeah. He says, you're not doing anything. So Friday night and Saturday night, we went to dinner. Now, he's still in the middle of this thing. It's a U.S. Open, you know? But he's, and I've still got the lead. I kind of hung on the lead for a couple days. And he went through every scenario, which I think was good for me,

but he scared the shit out of me, to be honest with you. What was going to unfold as a kid trying to win his, one a major, but, you know, first term. I hadn't won yet. And he went through and he took me and went through absolutely every single thing. And it's funny, you'll, I'll take it the next step, Colt. As we walked out of the locker room, you know, obviously was very thankful. And I walked out of the locker room on my way out to go hit balls. And hell Irwin had come into the locker room to use a bathroom before he went to the tea. And he goes, kid, you okay? I said, hell, I'm okay. And hell, and hell, and

hell pulled me aside. Now, he'd already just, he'd already won two us opens himself and said, hey, hey, just breathe, kind of go through your routine stuff that, you know, you've heard eight million times, but it's coming from now from four, four time champion golfers, strange and hell Irwin, uh, before hell went out and played and just told me to chill. And lo and behold, that's a son of a gun that wins a golf tournament when he makes it, you know, from 70 feet there on 18, you know, to win the dang golf turn. But that, That was a really cool time to me. That's one of the, I think probably the biggest lesson I learned about the game of golf,

even the good guys can get back, you know, and help guys come through. And so I made it a point. I was never a player like them. I never won a major, you know. There's four tournaments to win, you know, and it's kind of your, in my opinion, you're measuring stick. there's four tournaments to win and I never got a chance to win another one or never got close to winning one I got I had some chances that they were runaways but I learned it was

time to get back to the game even to the younger players coming up you know and you knew probably they're going to start kicking your ass yeah and you but you did have a birdie put on 18 to get into that playoff how long was that yeah it was about six feet cold I hit dryer and hit six iron right there yeah about six feet but you know to be honest with you, people asked me what was going through mine. I said, I don't know. I couldn't fill my hands. Are you kidding me?

You know, you've been there where you're just, okay. And it just, I mean, just kind of creased the edge. I didn't hit a bad put, you know, but what did you feel like? Well, I don't know. I couldn't fill my hands, you know. I'm like that. I don't remember anything. Yeah, exactly.

I don't. I don't, you know. And actually, it's funny. That next year, I did an outing there. And they took me back to the head, the whole location cut and put. the same put, I missed it again, you know. And you weren't even nervous. Oh, yeah, I wasn't even nervous.

I went in there. I said, I don't know what this. That's, I get a worse putt, you know. Unmakable. Unmakable putt. Yes, exactly. Before you made the switch into the broadcasting game, you did have yourself a little battle with Tiger Woods himself out at Torrey Pines,

where I believe he needed an eagle or made an eagle on the 72nd hole to clip you by two. What do you remember about that day? Well, it was very interesting because that's one of those things that I was kind of, you know, just getting my way back to playing well again. And Tiger, it was interesting. I teed off the last groups on Saturday, and Tiger teed off last on Saturday as well, but off the 10th T. It was a T. So he shoots 62. And T's off with me.

on Sunday in the final. It goes from the final pairing on 10T to the final pairing on 1T on Sunday. And, you know, like I said, it was interesting. I wasn't Starstruck because at 16, he started coming to Houston all the time to work with with Butch. So us guys in Houston, all the tour players here, we played a lot of golf with him when he was 16, 17, 18 years old. And you knew you're going to get your butt kicked by him, you know. It's one of those sayings, you know, he knew he was better than you and you knew he was better than you, you know? That's where he was going to be. But that day was actually, it was actually really fun for him

because we kind of separated ourselves from the rest of the field. And we both drove it. A funny story, I was first to hit off 18 and we retired. And I hit a good drive and all day long. It's Tiger. You're busy. It's Tiger. Yeah.

Geez, almighty. They get back to the story. I hit first. And all of a sudden, Tiger pulls out, hits a shot that I hadn't hurt all day long. He'll, you know what I'm talking about. This thing, he out hit me by 70 yards down to 18. And I'm sitting there with a three iron left in my hand to that front left location.

He's got a seven iron. And of course, Cole, I hit this shot. I hit the big ball before the little ball. I laid the sod of it so bad. I was trying to hit a draw. It was short right of the green on the right hand side. I batted it. And he hit seven iron in there about eight feet, makes a put.

going wins, you know, wins by two. But that was a good day. We had, we had a blast going back and forth, you know, that was a good day. So you, so when you first met him when he was 16, 17 years old, you knew, like, this guy's the real deal. He's going to be so much. Amazing. Not just because it's physically talented. He was, damn, he was smart. You know, he understood how to play, you know. Colt, you see it now more than any. I wish I would have learned then what I know now doing my job as a Walker, how perfect you don't have to be. And he was okay with not being perfect. I wish I'd have been played like that.

What I've seen all the leaders do coming down the stretch. But Tyner, he learned how to play the game. We see so many young players, in my opinion, they are incredible from Tita Green, but they understand the nuances of playing the game itself. And he was above everybody that I've seen the way he played his game. How he set up angles, how he controlled his trajectory, how he took off shots, how he, you know,

moved it in either direction. I was just simply amazed by the guy. Looking back on it now, like you're one of the few guys that's gone toe to tell. I mean, it came down all the way to the last hole there before he pulled away. Like, is that one of your favorite memories playing professional golf?

Like, I got to battle with Tiger before he did. I mean, he was obviously Tiger, but it wasn't what he's done now. Right. He'd already went, you know what? My fondest memory, I will say, in playing. I played a round in,

I remember what Masters did. And it's a sad that I don't remember this. And I say it's so memorable. But I had the lowest round on Saturday for a long time until Jason Day broke it right in front of me when I was doing the Masters there. Colt with the digital inside at Aymn Corner doing with Grant Boone. I think you do it now as well when I did. and Nancy actually mentioned that when he shot when Jason Day shot 63 on Saturday.

I had a record for a long time, 64 at Augusta. And it was the easiest round of golf that I had ever played. It was simply, and no round was ever that, but at Augusta National, it was amazing. I played with Marco Muir. We talked about it all the time. It was one of those rounds where it could have been nothing. And I didn't do anything special. I shot eight under 64 and held that record for a while.

long time and that's that's the funnest round of golf I ever played because for some reason I didn't get in my way and I was really never nervous you know it wasn't like you know granted I was moving up the leaderboard but but I was far enough back where it wasn't going to matter on Sunday you know when I was I was working while up there but that was the funnest round of golf I've ever played that's awesome that'd be a tough one to be yeah that'd be 54 art of guys yeah no but looking back I mean you you won three times on the PGA tour you had an incredible college career you're now doing broadcasting. How much fun are you having now, you know, now that you're not competing? You know, Colt, I have so much, people ask me if I miss it all the time. I say, yeah,

I miss it until maybe Sunday afternoon. Sometimes I'll go, godly, that was pretty good. But as you well know, sometimes TV, depending on who you're working with, live TV sometimes replaces that for me because you don't get a second chance to say something, you know? you kind of get your adrenaline pump. And especially if you're in a great atmosphere, that kind of sets it back. But I have so much fun doing this stuff because, one, I work with a bunch of, one,

players that I played with for a long time, but a bunch of great guys on top of it. You know, it's our traveling family out on the road, the time you come home. And these are people you spend basically half a year with. And it fills a void for me as well, you know. I'm pretty good. It gets me out of the house and keeps me away from,

I don't go to the golf course that much anymore, but it gets me out and keeps me close to the game, you know. And it reassures at times that the game has passed me by the way they play now. It just blows me away. You know, once I go from a Champions Tour event, back to a Tour event, go back and forth, you see the difference in what the PGA Tour is all about now. it's a game that has simply, simply changed.

And I'm glad I had my time playing there, but it's certainly glad I'm back doing television now. And I believe one of the very few times I played well on the PGA tour, I got the pleasure of having Billy Ray Brown walk with me Sunday at the players championship. I think the last five holes. Yeah. Oh, wow. I got nervous when Billy walks.

I was like, oh, boy, I'm going to do something good. This matters. Billy's here. That's exactly right. You know, that's funny. You talk about that cold. Those are those times that you look back and go, wow, this is really pretty cool.

And you soak it in. I wish I would have soaked it in a little better, smell the rose a little bit more appreciated what I had. I think we all become, I know me personally came complacent, you know, okay, this is what I do. And didn't really, really enjoy some of the travels that I did. I bitching moan a little bit here and there. If I missed the cut and I'm not coming back to this place,

I don't like this golf where it's all bullshit. I mean, that was a way for me to cover, you know, that I was ticked off the way that I played. I wish I'd kind of just soaked in things a little bit more. I'm trying to do that with telling you. You're not the only one, my man. I promise you on that. Yeah.

All right, Billy Ray, well, it's time to get to our emergency nine here. This is nine fun questions. You thought this was fun. Just wait until this emergency line right now. All right, we ask this to everyone. You can trade lives with anyone, be them for a day. They can be dead or alive. Who would it be?

Arnold Palmer. Good choice. Yeah. I like it. I like to be AP for a day. The king. Any specific? Well, you know, everything.

The reason why, the way he touched people, he made people feel at home. Granted, he had all the, everything he wanted, but he was just a people person. He made people feel good. Yep. One of him. There ain't going to be another one quite like that.

All right, that's a good answer there. We'll go to the second one here. Have you ever been out to Shadow Creek with a defending Masters champion and been told that you weren't allowed to play? On the off chance, there's a random question. Yes, I have been. Fred Couples and I went out to Vegas to watch a good buddy of ours. Roli Massimino had just taken the UNLV job,

and he was playing John Thompson from Georgetown in the opening at the Thompson Mac Center of their first games, you know. And so we went out there, and of course, Nancy was there. And I meet this little guy, and you know, in this little bit of short son of a gun. Billy Packers called the game and it's his son, Brandt, you know, he's over there nipping on Freddie and Harris Hills. We're talking what does this get?

So we went out, Nance, myself, Billy, and Fred went out to Shadow Creek to go play golf, and we come to the gate there to go play. And basically the guard says, okay, the reigning master's champion, since you're not staying at the mirage, you're not allowed to come out there. We had, we had to change plans and ship, went out to Spanish Trail to go play golf because Fred was not staying at the, at the Mirage. And so they wouldn't let him in to Shadow Creek. The Masters Champion. Yep.

That green jacket only goes so far. Eventually, you got to book a room at the Mirage. I got to tell you, I kept that green jacket. Freddie left it here in town. We have a club that I'm a member of here called Shadow Hawk. And Fred was an argument. We got 300 members here. and Nancy is a member here as well.

But Freddie left his green jacket. And I kept saying, Freddie, can I bring this jacket on the road to you? You know, because no, I just keep the thing for a while. Wait, you know, Freddie. So I had the green jacket. Guys, I'm going to probably miss speak here. I had it for way over, maybe two years in my closet. Oh, my God.

Yeah. That's incredible. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It was love. Only, Freddy. That's the only dude in the world that's one. It was wild.

We said it here, Cindy would go, you go take this back to Fred? I said, I had telling, and then I forget to pack it. I said, well, Fred, let me know. You got to remember there weren't cell phones really going back in those times. You know, call and leave them that Fred wouldn't do that. I mean, you'd have to actually do something, you know, you know. That is awesome. You ever slide it on?

A good two years. That jacket sat in there. Of course it didn't. They were sliding on and just walked around the house. Yeah, it can't get out right here on my arm. Yeah, I was going to say. A big guy in a little coat, you know. Yeah.

That's awesome. All right, next one. What's the first thing you think of when you hear the song Beat the Hell Out of Cougar High? Texas A&M. Okay, well, there was a certain incident that possibly happened on the sideline at the Texas game. Hmm.

Oh. We got a big smile going right now. I think you remember. Hey, bud, we do our homework here. I think you remember. Hold on. I was calm and cool, and now I'm starting to sweat a little bit over here.

Yeah. We might have to leave that one to another discussion there. Okay. We can say next question. That's fine. We can play next question on that. We'll do this one off air. Okay, perfect.

I got a bonus question, so it can still work out tonight. There you can. I'll give you this one. It's a little easy. for you, but I was just curious as a man in the broadcast game like yourself, have you ever gotten yourself lost, say, on the way to the 18th hole to call

a playoff by chance? I feel like we're getting it. I don't think he expected some of this. He ain't coming back. This is a great story. That little son of a bitch I got to tell you, we had gone in a ring to

in Hickory, North Carolina. Our producer, Brent Packer is producing that week. They go into a light and delay, rain delay. And they're said they're not going to start for another 30 or 40 minutes. And I had a kid who was doing my yardage and driving my cart. He was a college kid that went to Appalachian State. And he had to get back on Sunday back to school. I said, hey, Pac-Nak, can I bring my, Brent Packer?

Packin, can I bring my yardage guy back to the college? compound. He's got to get in his car and drive back to school of Appalachian State. He said, sure, we've got plenty of time. Getting dropped off and all of a sudden, Brandt goes, where are you at? I said, it hits me on the headset. I said, I just dropped off so-and-so and I'm headed back to the 18T. He says, great, there's a playoff. So anyway, the houses absolutely look the same. Every single house there in Carolina had red brick two-story. It didn't. And I made this drive a thousand times. What do I do being the dentist?

I'd make a wrong turn. And I get lost. And Pat Man goes, hey, listen, they're on the Tee right now. And I said, hey, man, I'm lost. He goes, stop. They're going to be making the way back to the T. You're going to be ready to call shots. And I put it this way.

I said, what part of fucking lost don't you understand? And he goes, what? I said, I'm lost. And so I find the golf course and it's back on like five. And Brant's got a camera now following me from a high tower watching me go through. I'm beating on the pedal trying to go fat. And I got lost. I missed the T shots.

They hit their seconds at the par five. And I got down there for the third shots. I swirled my brakes. It had been raining. And then I got out of the card and says, as I said back on their layup shots back there, you know, I just made like I, like I had told the shot, I hadn't told them one shot yet. So I did get lost. That's a pro move.

You got to play it off. Like I've been saying, third shot hole. That's great. I was also informed that the fifth T was not even anywhere close to the 18th T, by the way. It was not. It was, I had to travel, had to cut across, had across 14, had to go 6, 7, 14, and finally turn back around and get going back that way. Yeah, it was, it wasn't, it was embarrassing. Of course, I said, don't say anything.

at all. And I will say before I got done in the playoff, I get a text from Mike Tarrico. He goes, are you effing lost? Randon told Tarrico that I was lost. And so I'm going, okay, I didn't think it was going to get out, but of course it didn't take literally 15 minutes. And I get a text from Tariko going, are you lost, really? Tell me you're not lost. That's incredible. Yeah. Houses look the same, Mike. Yeah, exactly. We can stick with your broadcasting career. You've done a lot of winners interviews after a round. Has a player ever ripped you on air?

Not so much a player has ripped me, but I can tell you a Bill Murray ripped me a new one on air. Oh, oh. Yeah. Billy. Yeah, he did. We were doing... Why?

I was doing the first tee, and I was asking him a couple of questions, and he looked at me and said, can you be quiet right now? This kid's trying to hit. and I'm doing everything in and he shut me down on live television. It was, I was embarrassing. One, I was embarrassed at first, then I got mad, you know? So, and I'm telling, I'm telling my producer pack,

I said, every time you hit a bad shot and you said, you better show that shot. You know, if we come off a picture that shot. No, yeah, I think you got, what about Alan? What about Alan Doyle? Did he ever give you one? Oh, my gosh.

Alan Doyle, I will say, on that interview, you take it to, that extreme. I had gone to Brand Packer's wedding and he married Alan Doyle's daughter, Aaron, and a bunch of us went to the reception and went to the golf club and where Alan plays. And we drank him out of beer at his club in this rehearsal. I go down and do a walk and talk with Alan Doyle. And he stops. I'm talking to him. He played it off incredibly stopped.

unzipped his bag, pulled out a bill that he had gotten from the bar and gave it to me, presuming me a damn bill on live television. This is what you guys owe for all the beer that you drank at that place. I respect the play. It was a great play. But, you know, he was set up for that, but I fell right into the crap. That's great. The Bill Murray.

You ever make a man's with a Billy Boy? Nope. Was that it? I saw him Neil Blackmore one time, too. Interesting. Yeah, he's moving down a little bit. You can't take shots at Billy on live TV. All right.

I know you're a bit of a prankster, Billy Ray. I need to know the best prank you got ever, you were ever involved in with a man, maybe by the name of Shane Denham. Maybe it involves. Yeah, well, you know what? It depends on you call me a prankster. I've got plenty of pranks where I've, you know, put bird seed. I mean, not bird seed, but flower, wildflower seeds in some of the players' yards when they left

town knowing they wouldn't do their yard and they come back and it looks like like a little house on the prairie. But the other one you're talking about right now, it was bird seed. I was on the receding end of this. This guy, Shane Denham from BSI, a really good friend of mine. I left my car right in front of the trailer,

unlocked. Safe, right? I mean, I'm in the compound and it's safe. No one's gonna get in there. I left it unlocked. Well, that dummy went and bought five pounds of bird seed and stuck it in every vent in my rent car. And so he turned everything up to high.

So when I got everyone had gone in the trailer and looked at the window, I have no idea. I mean, every vent because it gets better. So everyone's watching out the window. I'm the only one that doesn't know. So I go in and crank the car up and I'm telling you what, it was like a tidal wave.

Sea came. I mean, it just covered me perfect. I was absolutely. I was absolutely covering this stuff. So now I'm mad, but I'm laughing my butt off the do. So I'm driving back down to one of the hotel, excuse me, in Atlanta, I go, you know what? He's good.

He didn't leave a stone unturned. I turned on the heater, and he had filled the thing up in front of the dash, you know, the defog. And he'd fill that up, and I put the heater on, and it was a tidal wave. It came up over the window, back over my head. There was more bird seed that came out of there, too. So to this day, I guarantee that car is still got bird seed in it somewhere. I made you take it to the truckside. Yeah, it was, it was bad.

That's good. I never heard. I never heard that one before. Whenever our equipment sucks out there, it's because BSI is doing pranks to people's cars. Exactly. You know what? This is a shout out to you, Shane. You know what?

You're always getting, you know, getting cold nice and bad equipment that we can't hear on. It's your fault we're trying to pull pranks out there. Oh, I like this. I'm going to have to come at Shane a little bit. It might be time. I heard you had some good ones with Ed Fiore back in the day. Man, I got to tell. We had a few.

He was one of the guys, you know. My favorite one was me and Blaine McAllister, a long-time tour player. We're down South Padre fishing. And Ed and I and Blaine are fishing in Ed's boat. And we're at this place down south called the Land Cut. We're drifting. I mean, it goes from miles in South Party goes all the way past corpus all the way almost down in the South Prairie.

We're drifting what they call the land cut, and it's about 20 feet of water. But we're casting as we're drifting up in four or five feet of water, you know, catching redfish and trout and maybe even shower. So Ed, Blaine and I are at front, and he goes, Ed goes, Billy Bob. That's what he else telling you. Billy Bob, how deep are we got? And I went, what is he? He knows we're in deep water.

I get my fishing pole and kind of go like this and stop it like it, you know, like it stopped. We're in 20 feet of water, you know. And so we're out here. He says, good. I got to use the bathroom. He had to take a crap. So he holds on the side, puts one leg over the boat, puts the next leg over it.

And he's just going to jump down and kind of hold on the boat, you know, this slow drip. The next thing we saw was Ed's cap on top of the water. He went straight down. He went all the way, man. He was some kind of mad at me. He was so he's only like five, seven anyway. Yeah, he's only five foot six anyway.

So, but I mean, he went straight down. And he got. He absolutely. who got so mad at me because he's falling a bunch of salt water, he got sick. But I mean, Blaine and I, to this day, I always talk about it. Yeah. That's a little good little trick. Oh, yeah, it's shallow.

It's only a guy to jump in. No, he just might go to the boat. I mean, I'm going, he's not this stupid. And damn if he didn't let go. And it was like a torpedo going down in the bottle. Oh, that is great. Amazing. All right, next one.

I want to take you back to the 13th T at Sherwood Country Club. You're at Tiger Woods event. I heard you hit a rather special tea shop, possibly with Tiger Woods watching. Boy, this is, this is something. I wish I'd have known this is coming in. I might have missed my flight from the tort today. We're on 13T at Sherwood.

I'm playing Tigers event. And we're doing the pro-am that day. And so I'll get on 13T, and I tell all the guys, we have cameras there. And I say, guys, watch this. I'm a sling one around this corner. it's going to be absolutely one of the best drivers ever hit. I hit this thing right out of the center of the club face,

and it goes 60 yards right of the fairway into our TV compound, some 300 yards away, and there's a guy in the very background, who's got his back turn to the hole, and he's pulling cable, you know, just going back and forth, pulling cable. And all of a sudden, a ball rolls right between his legs. He looks like, where in the hell of this spot? There's no man that could hit this. And, of course, Tigers's right there watching this whole damn thing.

And Brant played it. It re-aired it while we're on TV, and Tiger's sitting in the booth. And he finally looked at me and he goes, that's one of the worst shots I've happened to ever see. And it's just right there for the Tiger, you know, you know this for Fat Hill. When you're out there and you're doing television and you're a player or you're jacking around and the TV, you can't hide. The camera see you everywhere, you know, it's as well. I've learned, I've learned recently, mostly from Packer, you never go complain to a producer about not being shown or anything like that because, uh,

they'll get you on air and it won't be very flattering when they do. Uh, no, uh, you know what I've got is fantastic. Yeah. You never, never complain about not getting on air and let the producer find out because you will get on air, but not in the fashion of what you want to. When you got that bogey putt of that double bogey putt, you're going to be shown. I can promise you that. Oh yeah. Let's cut down to 12. It's put up for triple here. Hold on. This is, hold on. This will put him nine out of the cut line. That's exactly right.

That's about it. All right, last one for me. I'm going to give you a little chance here to take a shot at your boy if you want. Your roommate's best friends, all that with Steve Elkington. All right. So go back to the Houston days. Billy Ray Brown, Steve Elkington walk into a sorority party at Houston. Start talking to the same girl.

Who wins? Oh, I do. No. Is that because they couldn't understand him? No, I will say he had. the accent. The accent gave it away. I mean, oh, God, they love the Australian accent.

I was so much better looking than him. You kidding me? You know, some skinny, blonde-headed, frizzy hair. But he would drop in, you know, hey, good day, mate. You know, how you doing? You know, I'm going, come on, man, no chance at all. He was the guy, you know? He wouldn't have to say any words at all, just the accent.

The Australian accent. That accent is lethal. Oh, God, yeah. That Australian over here is like, you go from a four to an eight real quick, just saying hello exactly no yeah no doubt and if you know depends on what spill you go to sometimes my accent i go from a four to a zero with hey what's up you know yeah you get up in the northeast you're at the yale bars exactly they're too impressed yeah all right last one all right you've traveled your whole life whether it be playing competitive golf or doing tv you're away from the family a lot

what is your favorite gift your wife cindy has ever sent you on the road Maybe it was the Dick Sporting Goods Open. I don't know. Could have been. Who knows? You know what? I know what you're going with this, and it's incredible. I will say this, the research is done on this.

I will say it was one of the most embarrassing times, but I had my chest stuck out so bad. I was getting ready to leave for two weeks. I was doing the Dick Sporting Goods Open, and I was, for some reason, I was going to go for two weeks and shoot this show called big break where you didn't you couldn't leave you know you were tied down people gamble on this stuff you got a sign a waiver and of course frank noblow had found something in his room some adult magazines and tapes and at the hotel there in and he gave him to brant and frank put him inside of a fedex box wrote my name on it from cindy brown had to some lipstick on it, you know, like, hey, I'm going to miss you.

You know, so it's presented to me in a production meeting with the turn of the director in there. And of course, it gets to me and I'm thinking, yeah, what do you guys got? You got nothing. My wife sent me a nice little box where I'm gone for two weeks. And Brad goes, well, open it. I want to see what it is. I said, no, it's personal, I'm sure. So I open it.

You know, it wasn't going to be, Cindy would never sing anything bad, but I'll undo it, look in the box. I was going to just go, nothing. It was some of the rancest stuff you had ever seen in your life. And so I felt so good about myself for about 10 seconds. Then finally I just went, oh, God, I've been had again. You know, I don't know why it happens to me. They always called me WWM. What's wrong now?

If something's going to happen, it's going to happen to me. I don't know why. I have no. Oh, that's great. Good to have friends. Good things happen to good people, they say, huh? Yeah. Well, the good news is we got this wonderful platform here.

if you ever want to get Brant Packer back, you're more than welcome. Just come bury him for an hour. We have got, oh, dude, I can go on this. I'm telling you, we need to sit down and go and go through that because I can really, you know, he and his anxiety issues. I told him we were having you on. Yeah. I told him we were having you on and he sent me the longest text I've ever seen in my life. Dude.

He was so excited. Longer, longer than the text you got from him before you went on air. I mean, before you got to the tournament there, the U.S. Sam, all the shit that you, all the paperwork that you got. Way longer, but yes. Yeah, I hope you ditched all those. We had a blast. We'll give you a chance, Billy, to get all these fools back. Don't you worry?

Oh, yeah. We appreciate you. All right, well, Sleeze, how much fun was Billy Ray Brown? I told you. I told you when we had him coming in. A lot of people, I don't know who he is. You might have heard of him, but you're going to love him at the end of this episode. Any fellow that gets lost on his way to the playoff?

I respect that a lot. And, of course, he's been at all week. I love the little, yeah, exactly. He's been out there for six days. Yeah, where the hell is this 18th hole again? The little gift package he got from the wife. See, those are some stuff behind the scenes that, you know, people don't know about the pranks that go on. And that is great.

Here he is, I'll feel it all good. Oh, my wife sent me something nice. Now, that'd be Brant Packer and Frank Nablo pulling a fast one on you. Hey, open that up. Right in front of everybody. Hey, what you got there? What's good? I love your Australian Frank Noblo.

He's from New Zealand, but whatever. It's the same, basically. Kiwis, Ozzy's. They're basically. It's all just one little lump down there in the corner. But it's funny. Talking to a bunch of guys like Steve Elkton in particular, anyone in the TV world or former player that played alongside Billy Ray Brown,

they're like, this guy was a stud. Like, if it wasn't for that injury, he would have had a monstrous career. He won three times. You know, it was up there with a chance to win the U.S. Open at Medina for that incredible dinner with Curtis Strange, giving a little pep talk the night before. He was just scaring the shit out of him. But, man, it's just,

It sucks when injuries do that to a player that had so much promise. But listen, he's found his way. He's been an incredible on-course broadcaster for a long time. Yeah. And not only the injury, but like the timing of the injuries, right after he won. Here we go. You know, pop the lid. Now it's time to go.

And then the next week at Colonial, a root, like a freak thing. And then he had the sprinkler deal again. The re-injured is like he's just caught some bad breaks. But same thing. Like, you talk to people from that era. They're like, dude, physically, like as talented as anybody was out there. at the time. Ball boy,

they could just chuck it across the field. Yeah, he looks like a dude. He could put the hat on somebody back in his playing days back in football. But I love it. We'll always be a Billy Ray Brown fan.

How about Bill Murray going out of him too on TV? Billy. Ooh, Billy moves way down. Billy Murray. Yeah. Bill Murray, not Billy Ray. No, Billy Ray moved way up on your list. Yeah, 100%.

Want to hang. But thanks for Billy Ray Brown for joining us. Sleez, it's football season. It's also now golf season. Fortinet Championship, defending champ, Max Homa, is the favorite. Going off,

it depends on where you look at it, but obviously you should look at it at Fandall. Going off around 15 to 1 with Hadeki Matsiyama as well. So we're going to start, now that it's football and golf,

we're going to have some fun little action, some parles, maybe a finish by Max Homa versus his cow bear is covering this weekend at Notre Dame. We don't know. We're going to get that to you later this week, but some fun football slash golf parles.

A lot of ways to win and or lose shit loads. Now that everything's fine. We're positive. Everything's for you got NFL too. We're two and one on the year. we're unbelievable. That's higher than the pros, that win percentage.

By the way, that's a four-way parlay. We can't be held to that. Well, like I said, college football is back. Put on your favorite game day gear because college football is here, and Fandu wants you to get in on the action. Right now, new customers can get a no-sweat first bet up to $1,000.

That's $1,000 back in free bets if your first bet doesn't win. Like I said, we're going to have, we got college football, we got golf, we got NFL football. You just keep on firing, whatever you want. Probably a horse. race somewhere you can fire on. So this week

we're going to take, as we always do with the golf, our favorite in the dark horse, and then we're going to throw in a college football pick at him. Done. Okay. My favorite is also one of your favorites to pick every week. Going off at 18 to 1, one of the purest ball strikers in the game. I know he's fired up to represent

the international team at Quail Hollow. Next week, I'm going Corey Connors to get the job done in Napa at 18 to 1. Say no more. You love him. I'm in. Yeah. Corey Conner's top 20, I think I bet almost every single week. Whether I say it on the spot or not. It's like, oh, Corey, it's always like plus money. I'm like, okay. Yeah, I'll take that. Love Cory Connors every single week. I'm going with the guy as my favorite.

I feel like he's going to be a little bit chalky this week, but I'm going to still take him anyway. He's going off at 26 to 1. That's Maverick McNeely. Stanford guy, NorCal guy. Everybody knows about that, but he tends to play awesome in the state of California. Anytime he gets up there. He was runner up. He was runner up last year out there. He had a really good chance to win. He was right there at the barracuda, which is basically Northern California earlier this year. You had him in that deal, and he had a disastrous finish to that. He plays great at Pebble. He just loves playing up there.

And like I said, it's going to be chalky because everybody knows this, but I'm still going to go Maverick Meenili, 26 to 1. I had him two weeks in a row last year, Barracuda being one, and then the following week where it combined his last eight holes of both tournaments, he was like 12 over part. He had some shots there, didn't quite close. But this is the week, I think. He likes his golf course, I think 26 to 1 is worth fire at him. He comes out the gates, too.

I feel like each year with some good finishes. All right. dark horse this golf course is not long it's rather narrow this man hits it straight as anybody on the planet he's 50 to 1 he won that so you as you mentioned barracuda championship this year oh boy Ches Riveh oh boy Sheh Raveh the Frenchman yeah looking to play what do you think about the European Rider Cup 50 to 1 well if you look right here he is also my dark horse we do not communicate before the show obviously

these are authentic and real I also have Ches Rievy at 51 for basically every reason you just said short golf course hit it straight irons not terrible typically hoops a few early in the fall and was playing good towards the end of last year so i'm going to take chesey two all right that rarely happens by the i love that all right let's go to a little college football i mean here we go get your house back get your house back all right i'm going to go with the team that's going up against the team that is had just an absolute a team going up against the team i'm going with the oklahoma suit but they're going up against nebraska who is just a damn dumpster fire just fired Scott Frost, by the way,

got the best deal in the world. He gets $15 million. He gets to go away. Say what you want. He's a genius. He knew the deal. If I make it to October 1st, I get half my buyout.

If I can get fired right now, which I'm going to, by the way, after the start of season, I get all of it. And he forced his way out for 15 mil. Do you think that's why he kicked that onside kick? There's no way. Some of the shit he's doing.

I'm like, he knows. He knows there's 15 waiting for him. If he can just lose another one, he'll get out of there before October 1st and get 15 mil. That's genius. He was already dead man walking. They played Georgia Southern this past weekend.

End up losing by three. We're leading going into the fourth quarter. Nebraska had never lost at home leading going into the fourth quarter. 214 and O. That's unbelievable. That's unbelievable. Unless someone lied to me on Twitter.

They never played Georgia Southern at home. You know how Georgia Southern brings it in the fourth. Minus 11 and a half over Nebraska. That's good. I like that. That's actually really good. I like that. The more I'm thinking about that, that is a full sin for me right now.

I'm going to give it to you. All right. I was between two games here. This one's earlier in the week, so I'm going to go with it and see how things go. So if you lose, you can recover? Exactly. I'm going Florida State, coming off a big win over LSU, take it however you can get it. Okay, minus one and a half over Louisville, who I bet blindly week one against Syracuse.

Syracuse has been terrible. I was like, oh, Louisville. They got some dudes. Take Louisville. They get stomped by Syracuse. They come back in one last week. I don't think they're very good. I don't know about Florida State yet, but they're only given one and a half at Louisville.

Give me the Knowles. Wow. Oklahoma, Louisville, you want to get a little aggressive? Maybe parlay them. Parlay that thing. I thought you're going to go USC again, which, by the way, they're not about it. Two in a row. Yeah.

12 and a hook this week against Fresno. I mean, I taste that too. I got a house to get back. Might as well just keep riding it until it gets kicked up. I'm sleeping under the 101 here quickly if things don't turn around. I don't need any of these numbers you're going to read, though. All right. Well, if you've been thinking about joining Fandul, now is the perfect time to give it a

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