Subpar - Boyd Summerhays Interview: Teaching Tony Finau and other PGA Tour pros, his powerhouse golf family

Episode Date: March 16, 2021

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, former PGA Tour Pro Boyd Summerhays joins former PGA Tour pro Colt Knost and his close friend and on course rival Drew Stoltz for an exclusive, in-studio, interview. One of the most influential teachers in the game of golf explains how the Summerhays family became a powerhouse in the sport, Tony Finau's response to his close calls on Tour, and what it's like watching his kids develop into elite level golfers.

Hello world. Welcome to another week of Golf Subpart, Colt Nost and Drew Stoltz. Slees, our boy Justin Thomas, got amongst it this weekend at the players. Man, what a week. That was fun to watch. That weekend, the ball striking clinic he just put on that weekend, I mean, it was wild. I knew it was good watching it. You heard his interview afterwards, that this may be the one of the best ball striking rounds I've ever had. And then after the tournament, the stats come out. He gained 11.19 strokes on the field, Tida Green, on Saturday and Sunday,

the most ever gained since they started keeping track. in 2004. So literally that was the best ball striking in the history of golf since they started keeping the stats before. A lot of people might not know what the hell that means. I'll just tell you it's really good. You just hit it close. You hit it right where you're looking pretty much every single time. I mean, Sunday, you know, coming from behind to win, hitting 12 of 14 fairways around that joint, 17 of 18 greens. I just didn't even put that great. And he was still able to get it done. But so happy for him. He's obviously been through a lot. You know, the incident in Hawaii happened, losing his grandfather, you know, the morning of Phoenix

open. He's been down in the dumps lately, and this, he hadn't been playing a golf either. So this was a big week for him, very, very happy for him. 2.7 million. That'll put a smile on your face. Cheer you up quick. But this is a guy heading into Augusta, a place that he loves. He gets better at every year. Look out. Yeah, I mean, you mentioned it. Like, he was able to win this golf tournament, and he lost, he lost two strokes putting on Saturday. I mean, he did not put well at all. He won this golf tournament strictly based on him hitting it way better than everyone else in the field. And there are many guys on the PJ tour that can do that. When I look around,

like, who have guys, we've seen Rory maybe do that in the past, or you DJ, now we've seen JT do it. But to beat these guys on a golf course like that and putting it below, not even average, below average, well below average on Sunday to do that. I mean, if you don't have him circled for Augusta, I don't know what you're looking for. And the cool thing I thought about what he did yesterday was, you know, the conversation right now is ball goes too straight. It goes too far. No one's hitting shots or things like that. I mean, we saw Justin Thomas do tons of things with the golf ball. That drive on 16, the little intentional rope hook that he just rifled around the corner there. You don't see a lot of guys doing that. The way he was moving his irons

into the wind, he was hitting it high, he was hitting it low. He was doing so many things with the golf ball that just not a lot of guys do. You got guys that are good drawers and they hit a draw every shot or good faders. They fade every shot. He can do whatever he wants out there. And that's part of the reason why you can go gain 11 shots on the field in two days. Zero weaknesses. And he is the player's champ pocket in $2.7 million. But Sleez, it's time to get to our guest this week very special guest he's a he's a coach of the pros i know you've you spent some time with him i've spent some time with him but boyd summerhaze was in the building yeah not just the coach the pros coach uh some of his best pupils are under his own under his own roof at home press and summer

haze is the number one junior coming out coming to go into as u.s junior am champ and then his daughter grace who's gonna go wherever the hell she wants if she wants to go anywhere she might be going right to the l pjee jure i was actually with them both uh yesterday there was a um Arizona junior golf association and Thunderbird Invitational down here at Papago show up. They both show up. Preston was leading by four, went on to win the golf room, and then Grace won.

So there was a picture with the whole family there at the end, holding trophies, and I think they've done that a ton of times. There's just not many people that can beat him. The Summer Hayes Invitational. Yeah. He got a good thing going there, but he's an incredible coach,

a lot of good young talent, and we'll get into it in the interview, but an incredible player in his own. Nobody knows how good he talks about how good he was coming up. Yeah, he was also a number one junior coming out, coming out of high school, went to Oklahoma State. Obviously, most well known for coaching Tony Fee now, and we get into that and a lot more,

but it was awesome to stay with Boyd, one of the nicest dudes on the planet. Without question. One of the nicest. And I know when he's on the golf course with his kids, they have some music going. They listen to our official sponsor, Rock Form, because they like to get amongst it, too. Why wouldn't you? Exactly. We had our little member member this weekend.

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Boyd Summerhaze on golf subpar. All right, we got one of the hottest instructors in the game of golf with us here tonight. He works with Tony Fienau, Wyndham Clark, Scott Harrington, and his customary all-black everything ensemble. Void Summerhaze, welcome, brother. Sleeze, what's up? I'm pumped. Boy, you got to tell us so.

Like, if we walked in your closet right now, is it just seriously all one color, all black? 95% black, 3% light black. And then, you know, I do. I just like black. It's funny because when I look back and when I was playing, I was in a lot better shape. So I tend to, I wore some colors, wore some stripes.

Now as a coach, gained a few pounds. All black, baby. It makes it easy. I would text you during the Rider Cup. I remember in Hazel, no, in Paris, in you were in red, white, and blue, and I'm like, oh, my God. Yeah. How weird do you look right now? That was like, how weird do you feel?

Those are the two times, two weeks where Presence Cup, Rider Cup, or Junior Presence Cup for my son or daughter, that feels great. But other than that, it does feel weird. I'm just used to seeing myself in black. And I like the way I look. Like, I had a black car. My first car was black. And I just like the color. And I know, I guess it's not a color, but to me it is.

I can see you. I saw you at the writer car. I was like that. I didn't even recognize it. Yeah, a lot of people did. white hat, blue shirt, red, whatever. I can see, like, does this match? Yeah, well, the funny thing is, too, is the coaches don't get the team uniforms.

And so I'm over there, and I'm, like, looking at the colors, red, white, and blue. And I'm like, dang, I got, like, Canadian red on right now, like, the Canadian flag. So I'm like, I'm just so out of touch with the colors that I couldn't even pull it off, yeah. That is awesome. It's easy to get dressed in the morning, though. It is. What should I go with? The black hoodie, the black pullover.

I love it. Yeah, it's nice. It saves you time. You look great. You always match. No worries. Sliming. I was thinking about throwing a curveball.

I'm wearing some white. If you had showed up in like pink or something, I might have fallen out of this chair. I know. It would have been weird. But let's talk a little bit about you. And first off, just the Summerhaste family.

Because when you hear the name Summerhays, I think everyone automatically thinks of golf. I mean, your grandfather was the coaching university of Utah. Your father was the president of the Utah Golf Association was on the USGA committee. Your uncle Bruce was a winner on the champions tour. And your brother Daniel, absolute stud on the PGA tour.

Almost won the PGA championship. You played on the PGA tour. Yeah. I mean, did you know growing up just like, golf is what I'm going to do. How'd you get into golf? Yeah, exactly. How'd you pick golf?

Well, it was interesting because my uncle was the most well-known player, and people assumed that me and Daniel were taught by my uncle, Bruce. But in reality, my dad was just a golf nut. He's still to this day. He's in his 70s, and he plays every day he can, and he's always trying to figure it out. Me and my brother kind of laugh, we'll be playing with him. He'll be like, I got it.

Watch this. I think I got it figured out. And it's like, that's so cool. Like, it is in my blood. It's a passion for. for our family and my dad loved the game. And so I'm one of seven siblings. My dad would get two T times and we'd have two foursums

and we'd just go play. So my mom didn't play but my dad did. And I think that was his way of getting us in the game allowed him to chase his passion and score some points with mom. And I think I learned a lot from that. You can see myself, I can see myself doing a lot of the same things my dad did

to make the game fun and competitive for my kids. But yeah, no doubt it's a family obsession for a while there. Man, some of the family. reunion in golf tournaments were pretty intense. It's like you'd even bar you lose. Yeah, at one point, my uncle was on the champions tour. I was on the PJ tour.

Daniel was on the cornfairy tour. Bruce's daughter was on the LPGA tour, and his son was playing some mini-tour golf and got in a PJ tour event and played and some corn fairy tour events. And so it'd get a little testy at the family ranking tournaments, you know. There's some good golf families out there. You might be from top to bottom, like the most successful last name in golf,

like all the way across the board, from generation to generation to generation. You know, it's cool to see how the name kind of has grown a little bit. At the time, I felt like it was more of like a Utah family, Utah Summerhays Golf, you know, name. And then obviously my uncle had some good success. And then Daniel played for eight years. And then as I started to teach and then my kids started to do some nice stuff. I kind of did see that people did see us as a golfing family, for sure.

Is it your cousin? I played with at the PGA at Baltistraro. Oh, yeah. You play with, yeah. Yeah, there you go. My cousin Joseph. I forgot about that. I forgot about that.

Who's this one? Yeah, there you go. Yeah, but I got paid with them the first two days at the PTA. You see Summary's on the leaderboard, it'd be one of eight people. Yeah, which one is it? Well, here pretty soon, yeah, there's going to be a lot of them out there. It's really good to see. But at what age did you know, because I mean, you're the number one junior in the country at 16,

you won three junior world. At one age did you know, like, okay, I've got something here, and golf is going to be my future. When I was 14, when I won the first junior world, I was 10, and I'm pretty young. But when I was 14 and I won the second one and then started to travel more and play and see where my game was at, that's when I thought, okay, this is what I'm going to do for a living for sure. Who were some of the other studs growing up that you played against? So at Oklahoma State, my roommate was Charles Howell III. We were buddies growing up. We met each other at the U.S. Junior when we were both 14-year-olds that got to the round of 16. He actually got to the quarters, I believe, maybe even the semis, but that's where we first met. And then we decided to go to college together. And then Bryce Mulder, David Gossett, Sergio.

You know, he came over to the States and played, you know, the junior worlds, you know, we got paired the last couple days together, but those were kind of my age. And then, yeah, I mean, it is interesting now being out there as a coach when I was playing with them as junior golfers, college, you know, players and then pros. So at the first couple years, I think people looked at me and they would just think, okay, are you really going to stay coaching or are you just buying time to go back and play? So, I mean, it's been a long time since anyone said, hey, are you ever going to play again? And they know I'm not going to, but at the time it was weird to be coaching,

going to events where you're coaching at events where you were playing with players, you know, growing up your whole life. Yeah, because all the players out there know you as a great player because they came up with you. I feel like the fans that are watching, most of the people listening to probably see you as a coach and know you as a coach. Don't like, sell yourself short, your number one junior in the world. You want, what, 75 junior golf and high school wins? I mean, you were like the guy coming up, yeah?

More or less, that's what the internet says, so it's true. Yeah, it has to be true, right? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, I know that I did some good stuff as a player, and when I got my PJ tour card, I started to make a few mistakes, and I learned from those. But yeah, as a player growing up, I do feel like it helped me in my coaching career because I think some people had that built-in respect that I had played, that I knew what it was like to play at a high level, play under those kind of conditions and nerves, but also understand the ups and downs, you know? I know what it's

like to play good and I know what it's like to play bad. And so I think that seeing both spectrums of that helped me as a coach for sure. And I think gained some trust in a lot of the players that ended up working with me. Yeah, you said you made some mistakes. I mean, you had an 11-year professional career. You played I think 29 PGA tour events, but you had quite a bit of injuries. But what mistakes are you referring to? Like if you could go back right now and change a few things, what would it be? Yeah, so I'm stubborn by nature. I see that in my kids too and I love it. Preston's really stubborn. Grace is stubborn. Cam's really stubborn. They get it from me, no doubt. but I didn't listen to everybody.

On the way up, I kind of trusted a few people, and I just put my head down and got to work, played a ton of tournaments. I would work on shots when I go to the range. If I went and played and didn't know how to do something, I'd try to figure it out. And when I got my tour card, you alluded to some injuries, I had a back injury,

and then ever since then it was like I changed how I went about things. I was not a perfectionist to get to the tour. I was working on skill sets and shots and situations, and then when I hurt my back, I went teacher to teacher to teacher. I must have seen like five to seven guys within a year. And then pretty soon, I was looking at my golf swing nonstop, looking at certain positions, instead of like going to a teacher and saying, hey, listen, this is, yeah, my back hurts,

but it's going to get better. This is a shot that is actually hurting me out on tour. It's not my back. It's the open face coming from the inside, coming down, starting right and going further right. So I think how did things change? I mean, I think that I was a hustler a little bit growing up. I took pride in that.

And then once I had the injuries, I think I started to search too much, you know, got away from a little bit of what made me who I was. And pretty soon, a few years later, there's so many ideas in your head. Now, me not knowing at the time, it would help me as a coach for sure, pursuing all those coaches and studying everything about the golf swing. But at the time, that did not help me as a player. You got to pick a lot of people's brains. Yep.

But does that carry over to how you are as a teacher now being like you said, you got all these things? Are you more like, hey, let's work on some shots and let's give me trouble as opposed to like, let's get on the camera and try to be perfect. Yeah, there's not many days or weeks that go by on tour that someone doesn't say something like, oh, Boyd was a really good player. Not that that doesn't hurt my feelings now. I love what I do. I couldn't have dream that my life would turn out as good as it did. I love coaching my kids, love coaching, you know, everyday people and the tour players. But it's still, I understand why I didn't succeed, you know?

And so, yeah, I don't veer far from, you know, that lesson that I learned, right? So, for example, like when I first term pro, I also changed every piece of equipment. That's another error, right? So I was caught in a weird place where I was playing a tailor-made 510 driver. I hit it great. I was long. I hit it pretty straight. That's what got me to the tour.

I drove it really good for like a year and a half. Well, I changed companies, and the edge of the driver was rounded. Well, I didn't know at the time that I was hitting it purpose, not intentionally, but I was hitting it off the toe to save a little bit of an open face. And we'd just go right down where I wanted it to go. Well, all of a sudden, I changed equipment and the driver I hit, the end of the club where I was probably hitting it a little bit was rounded. All of a sudden, I'm like hitting a high right. Like just things are looking different to him. And I'm thinking, and I'm not understanding it at the time.

It took me years later to think, oh, my gosh. You know, because at the time, remember when Rory was hitting, he was swinging way into out. He would catch him off the heel a little bit to offset the over curve and stuff like that. Well, I was doing the opposite. I was an open face coming from the inside, catching a little off the toe to negate the start line and the curve. So, you know, that was a big mistake I made. And so I've held a couple of tour pros where they wanted to make some changes for, I don't think, what would have been worth the risk to change equipment,

and just say, hey, listen, I've been there, done that, make your money on the course. And then I just, but in general, it was just the chasing a new instructor every time. and looking for the secret. Yeah, but at the time, it's, you know, it's like, it's frustrating. Yeah. Now you look back and you're like, this might be a good thing this happened. Now I'm a coach to, you know, you got Scott Harrington, Wyndham Clark, Tony Feeneau, and now you're coaching your kids as well, which you might have always done,

but just imagine if you were still having a successful PJ tour career, like would you be coaching Preston and Grace and Cam as much? No, I would. I wouldn't. I mean, I spent an enormous amount of time with them, and there's no doubt in my mind that I wouldn't. I think that's why a lot of times you will see some successful PJ Tour pros have kids that are good but it doesn't happen very often like the Haas right you look at who else can come to name where a father and son played good on tour it doesn't happen because

they're out grinding on their own game right and a kid needs your attention and your help right so no I I look back on it now my brother was quoted in an article last year of saying like yeah I don't know if my brother how he feels about it but I kind of kind of feel like he's doing what he was always meant to do. And when I read that, I was kind of like, I don't disagree with him. Like my path in life where I was a high level player, I was number one in the country, I went to Oklahoma State, I did make the PJ tour, but I had made, I did some great things to get to that point, but then to lose my card, you know, I made some mistakes too, but it was, it turned out to be like this great combination where I did learn some things and I do know a lot about

the game, but I made enough errors to where it got me. out of playing, but then I could do what I feel like I was always meant to do as coach, because I love people, I love helping people. And the more I helped players get better, it was just a different rush, right? Nothing will ever, you know, compared to playing, right? When you're almost winning the players championship, I mean, that's some kind of buzz that coaching will never give you. I think caddying is the next closest thing to playing.

But coaching, you know, you're definitely helping people, you're helping their careers, but then the influence you have on the younger kids. That's where it gets really cool. One of my questions was, though, you mentioned you don't get the, you know, the buzz of when you're a coach compared to playing. You get a buzz, but it's just not the same as playing. I was going to say, when you're out there, I mean, you're out there quite a bit on the PGA tour, and you go out and you follow your guys Thursday, Friday, maybe Saturday, Sunday.

Do you get nervous at all watching them? Not as much now. I think at the beginning you live and die on each shot, but I guess that goes to some experience of playing, too, knowing that you just don't want to be like that. It's just, it's almost useless once you've helped your player get ready to tee off. There is nothing you can do. So no doubt over the years it got to be where you just look at it objectively and not as emotionally. But yeah, there's times where, you know, you get into it probably a little bit too much,

but nothing more so than when you're watching your own kids play. That's different. That's on a different level. I've had to train myself to kind of chill out and just watch. When you're living and dying by the refresh button on the way home, like, oh, God. Yeah. There's no doubt. A lot of times I'll just have my wife, you know, DVR, all the golf.

And then she'll condense it and I'll watch it. But I don't sit there and I'm teaching when I'm not. on the road. I'm not looking at my phone nonstop and doing that because it just gets to where it can become overwhelming, right? Yeah. I ask you this because I talk I we see Tony Scott and wind him all around here all the time. One of the things they've all brought up to me at some point in other is it's crazy that like boy doesn't play any golf that I'm aware or not very much golf that I'm aware of and he'll be trying to show me something on the range that we're working on. He'll just grab my foreiron and step up there no range balls no stretching no nothing and just hit

laser after like two razors in a row and they're like oh my god they say you can still hit 180 mile an hour with the driver of ball speed right now? Yeah for sure. Yeah, but I mean it doesn't go straight but yeah I was fast as a player and I can get up to you know last year up to 185 ball speed at ping a couple weeks ago 182 but it doesn't go straight else I'd be playing still you know 182 no but I think guys are being nice but yeah I still enjoy hitting shots I think the thing I miss about some people say do you miss playing and I'm like I love coaching I love what I do I feel blessed I feel lucky to do what I do, but I actually miss the grind. I would love going on the range and just hitting balls,

love the feeling of a good shot. And I kind of like the problem-solving part and the struggle of it. Like, that was cool to me. I do miss that part, just the quiet of just doing your own thing. Yeah, I talked to Charles Howe before we sat down. He told me in college. No, it was just, he was like, he praised you. He praised you so much.

He's like, Boyd was just good at everything. It was just natural. Charles was like, I had to work at it. Boyd, like I told somebody the other day, I was like, I remember one of the first times I went. went and worked with you out at McDow. We're hitting balls on the track, and then we got the driver out. And you hadn't hit a ball all day, and you step in, it was like 1-18.

And I'm just like, what the hell was that? That's like a good. I have it on the supersized, you know, mode there. So the years would be at 1-15 or something like that. First off, if you could get me to 1-15, I wouldn't be sitting behind this mic right now. I know. I know. I know.

I mean, he said you're good at everything, though. I mean, it was basketball, golf. You're just a naturally gifted athlete. Yeah, I was a chubby little kid, but I had really good eye-hand coordination. I love basketball. I played good basketball, but I didn't do high school basketball because I was already playing a ton of high-level golf, but I do. Basketball was my passion.

My dad were one of seven kids, me and Daniels. So in Utah, snow on the ground most of the year. My dad built an indoor practice facility. I had basketball hoops in it, putting green, hit into a net, and so we would mix golf and basketball all winter. You mentioned you were a chubby kid. Yeah. So Charles told me you always were a little self-conscious.

about your way. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, no doubt. True or false, you might have had him pull over one day on the way to Carston Creek and you ran to the golf course because you weren't feeling too good about yourself. Yeah, so there's no doubt. I was really chubby as a kid. And that's another cool thing. Like, once you've been like that and you know what that feels like to be at school

where you feel like you stick out like a sore thumb, you just. Who is my? Was I looking at you or him? You're talking to me, but. But, I mean, it makes you look at life different, people different. But, yeah, I think. I was self-conscious about it. So when we got to Oklahoma State, we were working out like crazy.

And I was, we were running about five, six miles a day, me and Charles, and then our Swedish teammate, Peter Davidson, he was in great shape. And he just got to the point where it was pretty easy to do. And then I think I was pretty, I'm kind of an all-in or not in at all kind of guy. So I'm like, okay, let's just run out to Carson Creek. I know it's only 13 miles. And so I go out there and I run and I get all the way there. And then I'm thinking, what am I doing?

I was so exhausted. And then I got to go walk that monster. Yeah, so. That story is true. What was Charles tipping in it on the scales as a freshman at OSD? 105. Was he 1.35 guy? No, he was more 115, 120.

Yeah, wait. I mean, that's the thing I respect. Yeah, that's what I respect about Charles is like he is, he's self-made. I mean, everyone has a team, okay? He had great coaching, training. His parents supported him. We were able to give him the resources to be who he is, but he always worked. He went in there.

He was so scrawny, and he just got to work. He just lifted every, you know, probably five, six days a week. We were, that's what we do on the weekends. We both didn't have girlfriends. We'd go. We had the keys to the gym, and we'd, you know, we'd all. He goes, normal college stuff, dude. Yeah, we were not the normal college students, for sure.

He would go work out at night. He goes, shows you how cool we work. Yeah, for sure. He did say, though. Now I know why it sucked. But he got big, you know, he got strong, got fast, and so he's... He said, you'd go to the gym. You would go to cardio.

He would go to bench press, trying to bulk up. But he did say, like, first off, everyone knows you as one of the nicest dudes on the planet. But he said you're the sole reason he stayed at Oklahoma State. That's pretty cool that. I mean, he says that because he said he was so homesick, he was ready to pack his bags and go back to Georgia, but you convinced him to stay. Yeah. I mean, he's told me that story a lot, you know, and that means a lot to me because he's a great friend of mine. And he was.

He was just struggling and was homesick, but me and him were tight. They called us Choied in college. So Boe Van Pelt and Ed Lour, me and Charles were always together, choid. Choyd. Yeah Her boat was Uncle Boat for sure And Boe Yeah

We were good At one point We had four out of our starting five On the PJ tour at one time So we were good Yeah That'll do it But then you get into coach

You get into coaching at 32 When you make that decision All right I'm done playing The injuries, all the things How do you go get work? How do you put it out there like All right I'm teaching now Who are your first clients?

Yeah so It's interesting When I got done playing I was upset You know I wasn't happy with not succeeding the way I envision. I didn't want to stay in golf. I always saw myself I was just going to be a player and that's it. I never looked at my dad and my uncle Bruce did some course design

that didn't interest me. I sure as heck wasn't to be a coach or a teacher. I never thought that, you know, and then a guy that I'd worked on some of my life stuff, Derek Bowles, I called him up and said, what do I do now? You know, I don't, my dad and my family was in real estate. He was successful. my dad would have taken me and I could have made a decent living and worked with my dad and my brothers but that just didn't appeal to me I wanted to do what I wanted to do and and my my buddy said hey boyd I know right now you're upset it stings you know you're done playing you didn't do what you wanted to do accomplish everything you wanted to but you still have a gift for golf and he kind of alluded to kind of the conversation you're saying like it is in my blood I'd spend a whole life

32 year I started a tournament golf at five so really you know 25 27 years of like thinking about golf, playing competitive golf, like just wanting to be great at it and be good at it. So, you know, he said, just let the disappointment just fade for a couple weeks, but you're supposed to coach. And he was pretty direct that way. And I was like, man, that's the last thing I wanted to hear at that point, right? Because going to the golf course, I was going to get reminded, hey, man, when's your next tournament? Man, you were so good, Boyd. Like, man, you got a nice swing. What's the deal, right? And I wanted to avoid that. And but when I, humble myself enough and thought, hey, it is what it is. I made some mistakes. I did some good

things. And when I came to peace with not having this playing career I wanted, then I was all in. Then it was like, okay, this is a great job. And a deep down, you know, Preston was, he was nine when I stopped playing when I started coaching. Deep down, I mean, I wasn't going to make my kids play golf, but I thought I could make it fun enough for them where they would choose it or want to be around, you know, the course and be with me. And that's what. what the long-term vision was for me. It's like teaching golf, if my kids end up loving it, then it would be a dream job to me.

That's awesome. Do you remember the first lesson you gave where you actually got paid? Gosh, that is interesting. Okay, yeah, I do. Left-hander, Keith Lawton, my buddy, he was basically just trying to help me. I was still trying to play.

Here's a hundred five. And so yeah, he's like playing lessons, you know. So yeah, first student that I actually started teaching was left-handed. Awesome. That tricks it up a little bit. Yeah, they're always giving real lessons Two video on it, breaking it down.

Yeah. Uh-huh. First pro that asked you for help. First pro. Charlie Belgian. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah.

I would assume it was Tony. That was a big talent too, man. Yeah, Charlie Belgian. Yeah, and there was guys, I had worked with other tour players before Tony, but I'd never worked with someone full time. Because when I was done playing, I was content with staying at home and just trying to be the best teacher in my area, whether that was at McDowell and where I taught in Utah, Davis Park Golf Club in Fruit Heights, Utah.

I was like, okay, I can make a living just teaching, you know, lessons and enjoy the game. I didn't have any intention on going out on tour, and then, you know, things changed in 2014 when Tony reached out to me. Yeah, let's go to Tony because he's the guy that you've worked with the longest of mature guys right now. I can remember the first time I played with Tony. Yeah, I must have been 17, 18 years old. Were you still longer than him at that point? I was a little bit longer, but he competed with me. That's when I knew the kid had some.

But seriously, watching him for the first time, and he's raw. He's this young kid out of high school. I saw him, I was like, this kid's special. Like, this is a different kid. This is something I haven't really seen before. What was your reaction the first time you saw Tony swing a golf club? Well, the cool thing is, is in Utah. Most population is in the northern part of the state.

So it's a tight-knit golf community. We all know who the good players are. So the Summerhays family was a big name, the Blairs, Schneiders. And then we started hearing about these phenob brothers. So he's 10 years younger than me. But I first. I first saw him playing in a corn fairy tour event at Willa Creek and they have a yeah him and Gipper so he had the he's 16 of the time and they got a net trying to keep people from going over

into the fairway and that net was useless for him and that's the first time I saw him hit and then we played together in the Utah Open I kind of forgot about this I would always tell the story he was like yeah me and Tony met you know in 2014 he's like boy we played together in Utah Open I'm like oh gosh when you're playing your own mindset and obviously I remembered once he pointed it I was like, of course I did. And the thing that stood out to me about Tony was he actually missed the cut that week, and he came out and watched the final round. And he's the same person he is today as he was then.

He's a humble kid, down to earth, takes victory with, you know, class, defeat, the same thing. And so that actually stood out to me a lot. I just always knew he handled himself like that. But then when he reached out to me, so when he got his cornfairy card, I knew that he had played pro golf for almost seven years to get his cornfairy card. And that's when I felt like I made it. It wasn't when I got my PJ tour card, but it was like getting to the finals where I knew I'd at least have a corn fairy card. I was like, okay, we're going the right direction.

Now I ended up getting my PJ tour card, but for Tony, I knew that was a huge deal because he was grinding and paving his own way and paying his own entry fees and all that. So I texted him and said, hey, congrats, we're all proud of you. Something really simple. And then like four or five months later, he reached out and said, hey, you know, I'd like to get together. You've got some time. So he shows up to Davis Park, and he goes.

gets out and he just said let's get together i didn't know whether that was like he wanted to talk about scheduling or mentoring or just some advice i was hoping it was obviously to work on his golf game but i didn't know for sure so i see him get out of his his car and he's got basketball shorts on high tops and a t-shirt and i'm like okay who knows and then i see him pull out his bag and i'm like okay we're on we're going for this so we spent a couple hours on the range and then i mean kind of the rest of history a little bit what do you what's the biggest thing you've changed from then to now. Because I mean, obviously, here's a guy who's, you know,

a world-beater cup, President's Cup. What's the biggest thing you thought he needed to change to get to that next level? His club face. So he played with a really, really open face. So no matter how much you can see in his swing, he bows his left wrist, which is delafting the club and closing the face.

But even with that mechanism, which is very natural to him, he still curved the ball way too much. So first thing for him is he had his right hand So weak on and his left hand was really weak his left hand still is really weak because he bows a can't He can't have a strong left hand grip but we changed his right hand grip a ton Which in time changed his face a lot to where you know it took a while for him to Start to take proper lines but he basically reached out to me because he's an observing guy He got in contention in one of the events and he's like my balls just curving way too much and it's spinning too much to be

Confident going over this hazard and know that I'm going to come down at the right distance I just I just I know I got to change something. So he was curving the ball way too hard, left or right, and it was spinning too much. So basically we got his club face way more square. And now when he hits a cut, I mean, it hardly moves. But, you know. Let me ask you one thing about him real quick. So obviously he's a guy that's very, very talked about in the golf media, golf news.

I mean, he's got all the talent in the world. He's got the one win in Puerto Rico. It's always, you know, when is Tony going to get that next win? As a coach, do you pay attention to what? what is said about him out there, or do you just try to put that to the side and just focus on Tony? No, I think that helps me, too, being a former player, because when you're playing good, everyone is behind you, and maybe when you're not playing as good, I've been through that, too. Like, what's wrong with Boyd? What's going on? And you hear everything, and you can't really control that.

I mean, it's impossible with social media and how small the world has gotten with that. Of course, I hear things, you know, I see some of the memes. And, you know, you're like, okay, it is what it is. but I think that's how we talk about it is what it is. I mean, people want to see you win, and you're in sports, and he's gotten past that point where it feels, I just don't feel like he's getting offended anymore, or it never was, you know? It's like, yeah, he does need another win, you know? Like, no one's saying anything that I don't disagree with,

so I'm not going to get butt hurt about it. I'm being honest, you know, like when people say that, I don't get, it doesn't get my temperature up, you know, because we think he should have another win or two, you know, and, you know, it hasn't happened. Now, if you would ask me eight years ago, because we worked on the Corn Ferry for a year, and this is his seventh year on the PGA tour,

if you'd ask me if he'd, I think he's made $22 million, he'd probably stopped caring about money a long time ago. He came from nothing. He doesn't care about that. And so he's got all that success. He's played so good in the major championships, tons of top fives, tons of top tens. He's been on the President's Cup and the Ryder Cup.

You'd think, dang, this is amazing. but you would be surprised if there was only one win in that, right? And that's just the truth. And so I love Tony for the way he is mentally. Like, he's a tough guy. Like, you can't imagine the things that I get DM to me that aren't very nice. He's getting a hundred times. Whoever is mean to you, send them our way.

Neither of us are going to handle it, but we'll have someone else out of his way. We'll say bad things about it. It's one of those things where you're looking, that quote is pretty true. If someone says something mean, but their cell phone isn't in your, you know, Yeah. Yeah. How many people say things face to face? Yeah.

Yeah. So I think Tony's done a great job of in the social media era of kind of taking the heat because there's a lot of heat. Now, I think, Riviera, I think, has started to turn, you know, people still feel like he should have won. But I think at some point they start thinking, okay, I mean, what do we want this guy to do? Yeah. You know, his 64 Sunday at Riviera. Yeah. His three losses that were probably, you know, the toughest losses to take.

One was in the World Golf event in China. You know, he's four, you know, he's leading going the last day, and he shoots the fourth lowest score of the final round. And, you know, Tony misses the green on 17, hits a great bunker shot to two or three feet. Zander makes like a 25, 30 footer up and over tier. Great put. And at the time, we all know Zander now is like, holy cow, this guy is like future Hall of Famer, in my opinion.

Well, at the time, you're like, dang, okay, who does this kind of stuff? Up and over. And then on 18, Zander's ball almost goes in the water. And Tony actually, it's a great shot to match it. They both make birdies, and then they go in the playoff in Zander Birdie, so he loses there, and then we all kind of remember what happened at Waste Management, where... That's the one I feel like that was the biggest stinging one, right? China, that rocked him a little bit because he's way more competitive than people think.

Just because he carries himself with class maturity, people get the wrong idea about him. You don't grow up where he grew up and play the mini tours for as long as you do. People forget about that. He played the mini tours for seven years. He has no quit in him. He is a tough, tough guy. And so the narrative that he's too nice to get these wins, I mean, some of these losses, they busted him up pretty bad.

Now he doesn't show it because that's just the way he goes about his business, right? You saw how his interview went when he lost at Riviera. He's all class, and that's in the moment. That's getting a microphone right in your face, and he has maturity in the class and the presence of mind to handle it the right way and give Maxis do, right? It's really impressive. And I think that's why people love him.

But I think people misunderstand just how competitive he is. I mean, he's, he's a, he's a killer. He really is. And he just, you know, that, those three instances where he shoots a 64th Rift, and Max doesn't make a bogey for how many holes? A lot. I think it was the last 24, almost two, right? At Riviera, that's incredible, right?

So it is what it is. I'm glad you brought that Zander thing up because I feel like it's the stat, like, Tony's had this many top 10 since his last win or whatever. Some of that's deserved for him not closing. Some of it is just he's happened to run into a buzzsaw on the final round. Like his final round scoring average is actually, For a guy who, quote, unquote, doesn't close very well, is actually really good. He just happened to have some bad luck in terms of, like, you brought up Xander.

There's a few other ones, Justin Thomas, Max Holmes, you know, this type of deals where he's just run up against the bus saw. So it makes it look worse than it actually is. Well, and there's no doubt. I mean, the narrative just changes. When he first got on tour, like my brother, I was coaching him at the same time, and other players would be like, holy cow, Tony just plays good all the time on Sunday. He's got some balls, you know? And he does. He likes the bright lights, and he does not back away.

he goes for broke, you know, he goes for shots that some people don't want to go for. He's had so many good Sunday rounds. Well, fast forward five, six years is like, oh, can't close. It's like, he needs a couple more wins than people stop talking about it. It's almost more impressive that he's able to play his way under the Ryder Cup. I'll do all these things without winning, with the points being so staggered towards the winner, that he plays well so often that he still makes those teams, in my opinion. That's hard to do without winning a bunch of times.

Yeah, and all these finishes matter. Like people, you know, he does only care about winning, but he's also mature enough to know that six weeks ago he wasn't even playing good. And all of a sudden, I mean, he has this stretch where fourth, second, second, second, and 14th, he's a smart enough kid to be like, okay, yeah, it sucks that I can get one win out of that, but I'm grateful to be playing really good. Yeah, things are close. Things could be worse.

Things could be worse, right? 22 mil, not terrible. We're coming up on a nice little five-month stretch of rather big tournaments too. So nice time to be peaking. But let's talk about something else here because you have three kids at home that are carrying on the Summerhays family very, very well. I'm sure you're extremely, I know you're extremely proud of them.

But tell us a little bit about them because they are stars in the making. Yeah, I mean, we kind of laugh at home because we're all so competitive. No one can make Preston more mad than Grace when she beats him. She's beating him a handful of times from the same tees. Oh, yeah.

From the same teas. From the same teas. Oh, Preston, bud. Start buying stuff. right now. Yeah, she got interviewed of the U.S. junior, her first U.S. junior a couple years ago, and they said, hey, have you ever beaten your brother? And she's like, yeah, was it the TPC. You know, all she missed was the date and time, you know, she remembered it, and so did Preston. And when I see those two play against each other, it's kind of cool that she can get under his skin more than anybody.

Love that. Yeah, a little sibling. So you got Preston, it's 17, right? Yeah, no, he's 18. 18, going to Arizona State next year. Grace is 16. 16. Go wherever the hell she wants. probably be on the LBGA here in about six months. And then Cam. Cam's 13.

Cam's already been offered by every school in America. Well, it was funny. Talking about how, you know, I try to carry myself with class. Tony carries himself with class. I want my son and, you know, Cam and, you know, Cam and Grace to do the same. Well, I send this, I'm talking to the kids about, you know, I thought Preston got a little too ruffled during one of the practices we had, you know,

playing. And he sends me a quote from Tom Brady that says, hey, I'm a good winner, but I'm a terrible loser. you know because Tom is when he wins he's really gracious but he's a terrible loser and he's like dad I hope you realize I'm supposed to be a terrible loser especially in practice and I'm like yeah he's got some truth to it like if it doesn't sting in practice then it won't sting at the right time so it's fun to see how competitive my kids are you know with each other but just in general when they train and that's I think that's how it's supposed to be it needs to be that way as Charles

Barkley said you show me someone that's a good loser I'll show you a loser yeah yeah and how cool for them that they how often do they get to be around your tour players that you're working with. I mean, if they can be around them every day, when they go to these junior term, it's like, who's going to impress me here and nobody? Well, before COVID, I mean, I think that's why doing what I did and going on the road worked for me because Tony was the first guy I worked for full time. And he's super. I mean, he's, he's a Polynesian. They are so family oriented. It's crazy more so than even the family I came from. Like, Polynesians, they take that, like, unbelievably serious. So he had no problem with my family being involved, having pressing out on the road,

getting inside the ropes, seeing it up close. Like he enjoyed that part of giving my kids that inside look. And I have so many memories with tour pros. Like I, you know, I don't want to get emotional, but like I think of how good people have been to my kids. Think how, you know, all the moments I got video of you giving Grace a bunker lesson at McDowell. Always playing with Preston.

We've played how many times together. And like, people have been so good to my kids. And it does. It plays into, it's my job to help their technique and to be their dad and support them and support them as a coach, but I can't take all the credit. First off, it's their hard work. I'm trying to do the best I can, but my kids have gotten a lot of benefits from tour pros

that have gone way above and beyond to help them learn and be in the mix, and they feel comfortable. And when Preston played at Wingfoot, it was a cool experience for me because he was like going to compete. He wasn't going. He wasn't getting pictures with guys or asking for anything. He just was there. And because that's normal to him.

Since he was 10 years old, he's been on the PG, J. Tor. I mean, Gary Woodland, you know, he started winking at Preston when he was 11, 12 years old when he'd see him. Zander at the U.S. Open. He plays with Gary Woodland nine holes. Brooks Kepka texted him after he wins the U.S. Jr. Tony played all the practice rounds with him. He played with Justin Rose. The list goes on. Ricky Fowler twice. I mean, people have been unbelievable to my kids, and so I just try to be grateful for what other people have done for my kids because you can't substitute or replace the value of that where each big win that Preston's had,

he's hit a really, like, horrible shot in the final round. Well, he's played with Tony hundreds of times where Tony hits a really bad shot, and he literally just is over it. I can tell him all I want, hey, Pete, get over your bad shot, move on to the next. But when he sees someone he looks up to and he's growing up idolizing as a golf hero,

do it, no question's asked. I can do it. If Tony can do it, too. So it's just been cool to see all these people really care about, you know, my kids, and I appreciate it. Yeah, it's awesome. And you mentioned, like, hitting that recovery shot. I mean, he hit one of the best recovery shots he'll probably ever hit in his life at the U.S. junior on 17 in 2019. When he went on to win, first off, a pitching wedge from 174 yards. Yeah, tone it back.

Jesus. Respect the game. But you were there, and he makes the butt to win the U.S. Junior. What was that moment like for you? That's got to be all time. Yeah, that was surreal because 16 and 17, he hits a bad. lag put on 15 but he makes like a 12 footer to tie the hole stay one up hits a perfect drive on 16 winds in and off the right bow jinn hits it in the rough hits it to 35 feet Preston's got probably

pitching wedge nine iron and he just barely misses the wind direction he thinks it's hurting a little bit more but he starts out right and it almost you know helps it and so he's behind the green like 30 yards tries to hit like a miracle chip because he you know it's he kind of needed to misses the green there chips it to 30 feet. Preston's a great green reader. And, you know, Bo just underread his first pose, perfect speed, but he underread it about six feet. Preston makes his and Bo Jen misses, so Preston still won up.

So he is going to be known for that shot on 16. But the coolest thing for me is how competitive. And Preston's had a ton of match play experience. He's won two men state amateurs. He's seen it all how quickly things can change. But one of my treasure moments of the U.S. Jr. is Brad Faxon. He's a friend of mine. I think he does a great job.

literally says, hey, if I were pressing, I just cut my losses and go to the next hole. And that's so cool to watch that after it happened and think, wow, it looked like to everybody else, you're losing your mind and losing the term, just going to the next hole. But in reality, you weren't out of the hole in your mind, you know, and you tied it. So when he hit the shot on 17, like, yeah, I got choked up. That was crazy because he isn't great at recovery shots. He hits it straight. So people who hit it straight growing up aren't the greatest at recovery shots.

I bet you weren't great at recovery shots you never got to practice them you hit every dang fairway right Colts recovery is playing from the first cut Yeah do you know what I'm saying So when to To have one of the most famous shots In probably U.S. junior history

Be a recovery shot like that Where he keeps it under one set of trees Over the other Lans it on the front I mean it gets me emotional When I see that shot He won the US Junior The Sunny Hanna he's already won

Which the huge amateur tournament Utah State Amateurs Was there any thought ever If he did he do you have any ambition to just like, you know what, forget college. I just want to go play right now. Yeah, for sure. And I didn't push him out of that.

Deep down, I knew I wanted him to go to college, but I also wanted him to be thinking big. I love that. The Preston's thinking, I don't need college. I'm going to go straight to the tour. Deep down, I'm like he's not ready yet, nor do I want him to go that soon. But I loved the thought that he thought he could do that.

Yeah. Right? And that's important. Like, self-belief gets nurtured. I mean, I've always tried to have my kids. be self-confident off the course, so hopefully it reflects on the course, but I will never shoot down anything that Preston or Grace or Cam thinks that they can do because he won the Utah State Am as the youngest ever. Tony and Dan are really good players. He beat their record. He beat,

you know, Ricky Fowler and Colin Mara Cowell's record of winning the Sunny Hannah as the youngest ever. Like, yeah, he didn't want to go to college. Yeah. But then I, we had an interesting conversation about that. I'm like, I felt like the way I coached him once I kind of felt like he didn't want to go to college. It wasn't my nature of coaching. Like, I'm saying, okay, he's asking me, he wants to skip college, maybe. Well, then I know what it looks like what you got to do. And so all a sudden the coaching got really, really strict because I'm like, he wants to be ready in a year. I know what it looks like, you know. And so once he made the decision to go to Arizona State, Matt Thurman's a great coach. He's built a great program at ASU. It's close. He gets to keep his

coach, his mom, his family, ping's still there. Everything, his trainers here, everything, just normal here, just stay here until you're absolutely ready, then you'll go. And the results will tell you when you're supposed to go. What about that little daughter you have, though? Grace, I mean, first of all, I imagine she can go to any school she wants in the country, but, I mean, she looks like she could go out there right now and compete on the LPGA tour. So the cool thing about Grace is she was a swimmer until she was like 10 or 11. I'd go with Preston and help him with his game, and then I'd go watch Grace's practices a couple times a week because that's what she was into. So she built these big old strong legs from swimming. And I think once she just saw how much fun

me and Preston were having the course or how much time we were spending, I think she wanted a little bit of taste of that. And I think it was seeing Preston's success that made her want to, you know, play golf because I think she's a competitor. Like it wouldn't matter what sport she was playing. She's nasty. Like I love that. Like she's only trained with boys and guys that are bigger, faster, stronger, and older than her. And so you have to have a different mindset when you're training with players that are bigger, better, faster, hit different shots. You have to be tough.

And so, you know, I love all my kids, but to see your daughter doing it and want to play against the guys and she played the Corn Ferry Monday qualifying, she's going to go do the Corn Ferry again in Vegas. I'll sign her up for, and she did the pre-qualifying at McCormick Ranch and took 32nd out of like 68 guys.

Sam Burns was putting at Tori, and he's like, hey, boy, Grace played with my roommate. She lost to him by one. This is so cool. So that's her dream. She wants to play against the men someday. I don't know what that means, whether that means a full card or play in a PJ tour event or something she qualifies for.

But that's her dream. She wants to play against the men because that's all she's done her whole life. Go ahead and make me feel terrible and tell everybody at home, how fast is your 16-year-old daughter swing it? A couple miles an hour slower than you. So she can get up to 100. Okay, good. Yeah, you're still faster.

You still bomb it. We're battling. She's like, man, Colt bombs it. I did go, wait, I did go to a 47-inch. It's just like, you know, get a buyer just a little bit, but that is so cool. Of all the talent you coach and all areas of golf, the best prospect you might have might be under your own roof and it might be your daughter. Yeah, for sure. And I think, you know, the men's game is so unbelievably competitive.

And I know the women's game is, too. No disrespect to that. But I just think that it was cool to see. And Preston has no problem with. He loves that people think that Grace is going to be great or support her or know how good she is. He loves that. Grace takes pride and people thinking Preston's really good. But Preston's fully aware how good she is.

So when people ask, you know, he's like, yeah. Everyone's got to be. She can hit flighted wedge shots to spin. She can put, and she hits it far and straight. Like, that's a great combo for the women's game. Hit it really far. Hit some great lower irons and putt. And then you got Cam, who's just the ballbuster of the group.

It just keeps everybody on their toes. Yeah, and Cam's been a really cool experience for me because he's probably the most like me. Like I look at him as a kid, And I'm like, holy cow, that is me to a T. Like constant questions, constant energy, constant fire. And so it's been really fun to teach him. And he's been working hard, and I have a different expectation for him time-wise.

I think he can be just as good as Grace and Preston, but he's not going to be as good as young. Preston, people knew he was good when he was 11 and 12 and 13. Grace kind of came onto the scene when she was 14. She lost in the finals of the Women's Dayam, and she got to the round of 16 at the U.S. Jr. she was doing some good things and then she became the youngest ever to win the women's day to them last year so they've kind of made their name but i mean how many times you get on a pj tour l pjtaur and look and say oh what were they at 13 or 14 15 i was the number one kid when i was 16 17 or number two one and two me and charles are going back and forth i'm sitting doing a

i'm a coach and doing a you know podcast with you guys talking about coaching and i thought it would be about playing so like to me i'm like cam just be patient like i see you being great at 16 and 17 i don't see it before then. Just the way my brain works and I see his size and the age group he's in. If he isn't winning tournaments in the 11 and 12, what makes me think he's going to win him when he goes to 13, 14, when the age and the size is even, or the size is even a bigger discrepancy, right? But he did have a little cool success last week. They played on a course that was really, really tight, super windy, and he took second place. And that was, you know, we ended up, he loved wings. So we celebrate, that's one thing I learned from my playing years, too,

is I didn't celebrate the successes enough. I'd be. I'd be. And, we'd be. We'd be. We'd, we end up. We beat the crap out of myself for my failures and got really down almost too down right and the successes that was like kind of like didn't even enjoy him and so we had a big party for cam whatever he wanted celebrated second place finish you get kicked out of the summer days family if your handicap ever drops below plus three you got to change your last name you're an embarrassment if it stays worse than that for multiple months you got to go by your middle name yeah last name cams got the trash talking down already i remember three years ago i think he was nine years old. He and him played Grace and Preston out of McDowell, and I'll never forget. I think

Preston or Grace had like a 10-footer to tie the hole. And he's like, just quit wasting our time. Let's just go to the next one. Like, he's already got it. Yeah, he's really lovable. People like him. You know, people that follow my social media. They love Cam's personality and how, yeah, he just, he's the man, you know, and he just, it's going to take him a little bit longer. You're good at the game. But he'll get there. They're going to be unreal. Believe in that. Yeah. They're going to be big, bright futures for all of them for sure. But we could do this all day. But we've got to get to the emerging. Before we get to the emergency nine with our guy Boyd Summerhaysley's, we've got to tell you a little bit about Austin cocktails because these things are fantastic. If you're looking to get amongst it, Austin Cocktails is the way to go.

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Nine fun questions about the great Boyd Summerhays. We ask this to everybody. The movie made about the life of Boyd Summerhase. Pick any actor dead or alive to play. Who are you going to pick? Leonard Caprio. Okay. He's going to have a busy docket coming up.

A lot of golfers think they look like him. He's just one of my favorite actors. I think Matt Damon. So, I mean. Yeah. He's going to be booked for a long guy. Yeah. Not for me, for you.

Oh, Matt Damon. I reached out to one of your pupils for this. I said, who would you pick? And I text Scott Harrington, and he said, Neil Patrick Harris, who's Dugie Hauser. Oh, wow. That's a child prodigy, though. Who's a child prodigy?

Harrington said, though. Scotty golf's awesome. So everyone knows I wear Black as a player, but he, for my birthday last year, he went in the archives and got all these pictures where I'm playing, and I've got white pants, John Lindenberg, pretty tight, striped shirts, and he's like, uh-huh.

Black became a thing just because you're, you know, fat, basically, you know? So Scott's the man. I love the doogiehauser is my actor I like that. I like that. Goes into the next question. Who spends a longer time getting ready in front of the mirror? Wyndham Clark or Scott Harrington?

This can't even be close. Winder. Very particular. Really? Oh, do you think Scott? I would have lost a minute. I would have said Wyndham. I would have said Hymondon.

I mean, Scott, yeah, he likes to have all his outfits lines. Now I'm in trouble both of them. You worried about losing him to the bachelor? Yeah, no. He would be a great bachelor, wouldn't he? Yeah, he would be. I think he's good right now. Mm-hmm.

All right. question you got to put your thinking cap on for this one okay okay have you ever possibly rubbed one of your coach's nose in the dirt oh my gosh that is awesome coach holder yeah yes i heard y'all had some legendary wrestling matches that that's my favorite college story outside of the golf part so we knew going to okoma state you know that coach holder has this reputation of being borderline crazy right he's terrifying it's terrifying so we go there and i'm like this guy's like a big teddy bear like no big deal. If you go to class, you work hard, stay out of troubles. This is easy. So, Coach Holder loves wrestling. Oklahoma State's known for wrestling. So John Smith,

world champion, he's the coach of the team, the wrestling team. He let me and Charles go to a couple practices. Well, I know nothing about wrestling, but I knew coached it a little bit. And for some reason, we're at his office, and I just kind of grab his leg because he kind of mimicked he was going to grab my leg. And I just caught him off balance, and he literally falls on his face, and he just scuffs up the top of his nose. And so Coach Holder's kind of, his own man, he doesn't care. He just puts a band-aid, big old band-aid over it. So me being the courteous kind kid I am, you know, shit-talker,

I kept going to his office every day saying, hey, how's that nose? Hey, let me see that band-aid. Man, it looks like it's healing up, just totally patronizing him. So me and Charles, we're working out one Friday night, and it's just me and him, and all of a sudden we hear the door open and like this sick little chuckle. And he goes, I'm ready for my rematch. And I'm like, rematch.

I literally just knocked him off balance. and he like scuffed his nose up on the carpet, you know? And literally, I had a zip-up jacket. Zip-up jackets, it doesn't matter how hard you pull up over your head. It ain't coming off. And Charles, well, this is the truth. Coach Holder basically is chasing me, and he's yelling at me. He's like, just take it like a man, come, you know, wrestle me.

And I know he's going to just whoop my ass. So I'm like running around the weight room, jumping benches, finally. I'm just like, okay. So he gets a hold of me, and he's trying to pull my jacket up. And it's literally, it's kind of like choking me a little bit, can't breathe. And Charles is my best friend, and Charles is in hysterics. He's like, coach, like, you're going to kill him. You're going to kill him.

So, you know, Charles, you know, I may have saved him, like, staying at Oklahoma State, but he might save my life. So, coach, let me take off the jacket. And, of course, he gets me down, pins me. And he's saying, cry uncle, cry uncle, and I won't cry uncle. And I won't do it. And he just gets so pissed. He's like, you know, knowing you're beat, you know, cry uncle.

So I'm just like, me and Charles are sitting in the weight room. and it's like really awkwardly quiet. We're like, oh, that's what everyone was talking about. That was that Coach Holder moment we just both had. So me and Charles are like, okay, Charles is still on the team, you know. I'm not sure if I'm on the team. So we're like, what do we do? So we call over to his house and Robbie, his wife, answers it.

And she's just always in a great mood. So I'm thinking she doesn't even know what's going on because she would always answer the phone or greet us nice. And all of a sudden she's like, Mike, it's Boyd and Charles. And you hear him just chuckle in the background. says, hey, tell him, I'll see him tomorrow. He, he was over it. He had great fun. I heard it got intense. Oh, it was intense. It was really intense, yeah. Wow, wrestling. True story. I never thought that. We laughed about it. Yeah, I saw Coach Holder for the first time in 18 years, took the kids back to the Carson Creek,

the Peeing Invitational, and we were laughing about that story. That's funny. That's good. All right, and this next one's a bit of a story, too. What's the best prank one of your students has ever played on you? Oh, gosh. You talked to Tony, didn't you? Oh, perhaps. Okay, so. This is good. Tony. played some great golf. Tiger Woods is, you know, Tony's childhood golfing idol. He's played great. He's clipping through the playoffs. I mean, his world rankings high. It makes all the sense in the world that he's going to get picked, especially since he just played the Ryder Cup. He's got experience. The teammates like him. So in China, we'd been FaceTiming and, you know, doing

our normal thing during the tournament week. And then all of a sudden he gets done. He didn't play good that last event. It was an event where there's no cup, but he just didn't play any good. So he didn't text much that nice. So I thought, okay, that's a little weird. And then he had his caddy. He had his agent start texting me and say, hey, have you talked to Tony yet? And I don't even know why the heck I started to buy it. But they did a lot of work.

So at the time, his caties, Greg Gibo, we call him. But he's like, man, have you heard the news? And I'm like, oh, my gosh. And then I text Tony and, you know, man, maybe you play good enough. It's just a decision, you know, blah, blah, blah. my condolences he like hey bro I get it but we'll chat when I land you know I just I'm gutted I can't you know thanks you know so he lets this thing go on for two days so all this such eating me alive and he tells me the player that gets in in front of him I'm thinking what the heck you know and I'm

like you know whatever because picks are picks and no excuses you know we didn't make it on points whatever but I'm just bugged and so for two days days, like, I'm just, like, feeling it for him because I feel like he deserved to be on, and I know he's gutted hearing it from Tiger. He didn't make the team. So, it's the day of state, and I'm watching Preston and Grace, and he Face-Times me, and so I'm just thinking this is the first days back from China, so I answer the call, and we're talking, and he's playing it great. He's sad. His, you know, face has kind of sunk a little bit, and, and it just keeps, the conversation just keeps on dragging on, but I still not catching on, and all of a sudden,

he's like, he said, come on, Boyd, you know Tiger's a smart guy. He picked me and his wife's recording it and he says he picked me. And I'm like three or four seconds where I'm just like quiet. Like it didn't register because he did not make the team. Two days ago, I knew he did not make the team. So, oh my gosh, he got me so good. I was, yeah. 36 hours or 40 hours.

That's crazy. That's a long time to make it guys suffer. That's crazy. Yeah, but he got me good and he still lasts about it. that that's the only time I've ever gotten taken because I'm always doing the practical jokes and the pranks and that one he's like I knew I could get it get that one because when you did find out you know and it was funny because I was saying things like man you know I think the world of Tiger Woods I think he's a golfing genius and I was what I was saying to Tony going into the selection hey don't be nervous Tiger knows the game you're on Tiger gets it you're on the team so when he didn't I might have said what does Tiger know you know I might have bashed him for a day or two By the way, you're re-double now. Why is he a captain? Let's stay on Tony for a second

because obviously you are great friends. Yours coach. Y'all spend a lot of time together. Is there anything he can do to push your buttons a little bit, maybe get you a little bit, other than the prank? So when we first started,

occasionally he'd want me to play. So I'd play like a nine-hole match. So I finally have a chance to beat him. And it's a McDowell. It's on 18-inch's a nine-hole match. But Tony, he must have been like the best like, you know, hustler and like money game guy but I got like this six footer for for the win and he times like the

falling of the flag to where right in my backstroke the flag just hits it and I miss and then he has this laugh that's the greatest laugh ever if it's not towards you and he just laugh and like he could care less it was my chance to beat him you know and um yeah pushing my buttons uh you'll me tell you what he told me yeah he told me to ask you if you have something in your teeth oh yeah There you go. Yeah. He said it drives him nuts. Yeah, there you go.

That's pretty good. He's unbelievable. He's a funny guy. Yeah. Funny guy. All right, next question. I need to put your thinking cap on here. This is a real question.

All right. Colt and I, we play the entire year on the PJ tour together as a team, our best ball against the world. Where do we stack up in the world golf rankings? If you say we lose our card, I'm going to be very upset. No. Best ball, we're one player, but we're a team. You come close to, uh, you go deep into the playoffs okay are we at east lake you make i'm not i'm not there yet but

no you do you do well because cold alone exactly can do it and then we know i mean you're you know you know what i want it we already know what you can do it yeah my moxie no you guys would definitely keep the card go to the playoffs but i think probably what do you call it your little walk-in putt the museum oh the museum or whatever yeah and my putter is the museum oh the museum incredibly warm. I don't know if it would work good enough to get to the Tour Championship, but I think you guys would get through the first playoff event. But we're in all the invitationals next year.

That's a lot of money. Yeah, we're good. 30 first is fine. That's fine. All right. We're rich. All right. Next question.

Explain to me how you go from teaching some of the best players in the world to weekend hackers like Connor Trias, Brian Erlacker, and Larry Fitzger. Oh man, that's hilarious. Larry Brian and Connor. All the legs are left. Connor. Connor is the greatest. He's the best.

he's special he forgot these clubs the other day he's like I'm still coming and he's like what is he six nine six 10 six easy and he legit like he needs long clubs a lot of people get long clubs they're tall but they're actually their their hands hanged down enough they could have had standard clothes that was a fun lesson but yeah I mean I think that's what actually is my niche a little bit is that I teach all ranges of golfers because I think even when I saw Tony okay and I saw his crazy weekend right hand grip and four or his right arm was really on top of his left. I'd already seen that five to ten times just from average golfers. And so like I enjoy teaching the everyday golfer. Like a lot of people ask me like what's

what is the my most favorite student? They assume it's going to be the tour player. And I love working for my guys. But like the everyday guys, I get a kick out of it. Because they love it. I mean, they're they're coming to you because they feel like they stink at the game. And if you can make them play a little bit better, I love that. I mean, you got just three monsters to Connor. And then you got Erlacher. Yeah. And Larry Fitzgerald. By the way, I played with Larry last week. You've done some incredible work with him. A little bit better?

He's just still got a little dinged up brain up top, but he's hitting it much, much better. I played with Connor last week. He's still terrible. Oh, shoot. I'm kidding. I got to text him, get him back in. And the cool thing like Brian, like, you know, when he came to see me, he was, you know, food set me up with him. And he's like, I can't hit it anywhere.

And I'm like, Brian Erlocker can't hit it anywhere. I can't wait to get and just see what's the issue. So I see one swing and it's like his six iron at the top is like an L wedge. I'm like, okay. His club head speed was like 95 on a six iron. I'm like, you want the good news or bad news? He goes both. And I said, well, the good news is you're faster than Torav's the bad news is you are hitting

that six iron like 135 yards. And we hit it off ever since then. He's a great guy. And he played really good in his last celebrity event out in Florida. That made me feel good. And then, yeah, I love teaching those guys. So the cool thing when Larry reached out, I'd heard that he wanted to come and see me over the last year or so. but he finally does it and he puts me and Tony on a group text and said hey my name is Larry Fitzgerald

never heard of you yeah and so I when I teach I pretty much teach all day and so I do get back to my messages at the end of the day but for this one I'm like okay I'm really not going to respond for a little bit and then I act as if I don't realize Larry's on the group text and I said hey Tony who's Larry Fitzgerald and so and I just leave it at that and then I send him a picture so I'm not a big like I don't collect a lot of memorabilia but I actually have always liked Larry Fitzgerald and the way he handles himself on and off the field. So I have his jersey at my house. And so to follow up me saying, who's Larry Fitzgerald? I sent a video from my house of his jersey. And I said, hey, I'm excited to help you out.

Is this you? Yeah. Is this to Larry Fitzgerald? Yeah. All right. Next question. I got a little business idea for you here. Let's go. We're doing a little business. I don't know how this is going to go, but we're going to figure it out here. Have you ever considered studying yourself out like a racehorse to parents who want to have a champion golfer. If I put this in front of...

A genius question. In front of Mark Cuban. That is awesome. Stack. Oh, thanks, man. All these parents that want stud kids? I got an idea. That's the greatest question I've been asked.

That is a good idea. I love that one. That's a shark tank. That's a shark tank. Shark tank. Let's see what the offer is and we'll go from there. I'll tell you, I might be the first customer. I need one.

That is awesome. I'm calling you first. All right. Last question. At what age did your son press first beat you on the golf course, and more importantly, how did you take it? Oh, this is great.

So, I mean, my job is to, like, build my kids' confidence, make sure they're confident off the course and on the course. Don't say you threw this match. But, like, when it comes to golf, like, that wasn't the way I was going to build his confidence is by letting him beat me. I knew it was the opposite. Like, try to beat him for as long as I could.

Hummel him. Yeah, exactly. So that wasn't how I'd build his confidence. So, you know, he was getting pretty good. I could tell it was going to happen, but I still didn't want it to happen. So we're at Davis Park in Utah in the summer, and he beats me on the 18 holes. So we get done, and I don't acknowledge it. I was like, we always play pretty much sunup to sundown.

I'm like, we're not done yet. You know, we're playing until dark. And so we play at least another seven, eight holes. And right when I finally catch up and I'm one ahead, I said, okay, that's it. Time to go. You know, that was a heck of a run, Pee. You almost got me. And I took that one too far.

He kind of teared up, you know, but I was like, oh, shoot like he literally kicked my butt and I kept playing until I got him and so yeah he uh when he beat me for the first time that was really cool but then it my ego was saved a little bit when he's 15 he shot 65 60 19 under the us am qualifying so I'm like okay good my 14 year old now 15 is beating other people not just me he told me you acted like a child just for the yeah exactly well I think that's like a child we're gonna have you back in a couple years and be like tell us the last time you beat Preston. Yeah, it's been a long time now.

He's really good. He just plays with the tour guys, plays money games. He's not afraid to play. He always plays $50 Nassau with the tour guys, straight up, strokes. I think he has to give Siles and I two a side right now. There's no doubt about it. It's not even up for debate or else I'm not showing up. Oh.

He's so confident. He would still do it. You guys take his money, but he would just do it just to do it. No, he would kill us. No doubt about it. Well, you're the best, dude. Thank you so much for doing it. Yeah, you guys are awesome.

I need a champion in the family. Hey, thanks for having me on. Run that by your wife. Yeah, you guys are awesome. You guys are great friends, and you guys have done a heck of a job with the show, and it was fun being on with you guys. Thanks, dude.

I really appreciate it. Yep. All right, that was Boyd Summerhays. I mean, one of the nicest dudes on the planet. Obviously, isn't scared to run to the golf course back in college. Thought you needed to lose a few pounds. So why not just run eight miles to Carson Creek? And I stand by my business proposal there.

I think there are big legs for that business. If he wants to get into the racehorse stud business right there, there are a lot of parents. out there that would be like, oh, yeah, I'll take some of that. I'll probably have a major champion in about 18 years. So he's a good investment. The genetics and that family across the board, it used to be like, you saw Summer Hayes on top of the leaderboard.

You're like, yeah, which one? Because there was like five of them that could be doing it at the time. That family is a is an icon in Utah, and now he's branching out and he's got some good young talent in his stable. And, I mean, he's really helped Tony become a huge talent to like a great player. No doubt. I mean, he has transformed. I mean, Tony Feeneh has a great talent, but he's transformed him into a,

world-class player, an elite player, and we're just waiting on him to knock that door down and get the next win and then have his career off and running. But it's going to be very exciting to see what one of our past guests does. Tony Fino, I know we're always rooting for him, but we've got to thank Boyd Summerhaste for sitting down with us. Always a lot of fun. But Slees, we've got to talk about our gambling.

You want to skip this part? I would love to skip this part. That's the end of the show. Thanks for coming out. Listen, we had a very bad week. I took Xander Shafley, Mr. Scherthing, MC. You take Webb Simpson, another Mr. Sure thing, MC.

but I'm going to take a moment real quick to talk to our boy Justin Thomas because a month ago I sat down and for this one and done I'm in a couple of these one and done's where you pick a guy you know you can't use them anymore like we do here and I was I laid out all my majors who I wanted to save these guys for and the players champ I consider a major because it's $2.7 million more important way money yeah exactly and Justin Thomas is my guy for the players I'm taking him I'm dead set he's in stone well I make the mistake I text JT on Sunday before the players say how we feeling dude everything good I haven't talked to you in a while

He goes, you know, but I'm not doing great. I've been better. He goes, I'm playing shitty. You know, swing doesn't feel that good? I was like, yeah, but you know what the good news is? You're heading into TPC Sawgrass, a place you love. You love it. He's going to cheer you up.

He goes, yeah, but to be fair, honestly, I liked it better in May. I'm like, Jesus. This guy is basically saying, do not take me. Say one thing to make me still take you, anything. So what do I do? I panic. And I'm like, you know what? He's not in a good place.

I can't take him. This is a huge week. I got to have a guy who makes some money. Boom, bail on JT. take Xander Shaflet go from $2.7 million to zero no big deal zero yeah that's all I take that's what I talked about dude you got to be careful how much research you do sometimes you can outsmart yourself you never talk to JT that week you pick him you got 2.7

in the kitty things are good would be looking good they said we both miss how about Webb and Zander both missing for the rest of the year this will be we'll look back being oh yeah that was the one they'll go 22 events apiece without missing another cut and neither of us get on the board the whole reason I picked Webb I was like I know it can win if he plays great but even if he plays bad I know I've still expect them to be top 20 somewhere and still get a bunch of money for this thing.

He was like my safe pick, just can't afford to miss the weekend. And then sure enough, both of those guys. I mean, it was, I would have taken a lot of action on it. Do you think Webb and Zander will both miss the cut the same week at that place? Well, it's time to rebound, Slees. We are on to the Honda classic producer Mark. Obviously, nothing changed since we both made $0 this week. So I believe Slee still has the honor.

Yes, he does. And the lead is still $17,821. It's hard to make up ground when you make zero. Snuggie. God. That's like both making triple. All right. You're up still.

Still your honor. All right. Here I go. I'm going in. We're going into PJ National Week, Colt, a week that is a tough one for me to watch, given my history around that place, final stage of Q school, basically where my career died. But going in this week, I'm going to take the guy who's the number one betting favorite. I'm going Daniel Berger.

He's 10 or 11 to 1, depending on where you're looking. Last year at the Honda, T4. Okay. Coming off a top 10 at the players. And that's a good week, obviously. But the impressive thing about that was he lost strokes putting for the entire week last week by like a pretty substantial margin. But he still finished night. He gained strokes in every single ball striking category for the entire week.

So he hit it great, just didn't put well all week basically and still finished in the top 10. So at PJ National, I'd rather write a guy that's hitting it good than putting it good because you got to hit your ball around that place. It is a terrifying joint. Two weeks in a row where there are a lot of holes that can jump up and bite you. But I'll go, Daniel Berger, for my team sleeves this week. Well, Slees, that's a great pick. Obviously, he's the favorite for a reason. He's good to golf as anybody.

It's an interesting week, the Honda Classic. Zero top 10 players in the field. I believe only seven of the top 50. So it's an opportunity for a lot of guys. And I'm going to go with a guy defending champ, ball striking machine. The wind can get to pumping around PGA National. I saw, I know it's quite a few days away,

but gusts up to 35 miles an hour on Sunday. And there's no one that hits their irons better and controls it in the wind better than Sung J.M. Let's go, Sungjay. You're my guy this week. Do not let me down. What does hell sound like? Oh, PJ National and 35-mile-hour wins?

Yeah, that's pretty high up there for me. I mean, the place is miserable when it's blowing five. Now you're going to get 35. Good luck on the bear trap. That thing. I mean, if it blows like that, this winning score could be something super close to par this week. Yeah, which is really fun to watch.

Which would be sweet. And as far as maybe a dark horse, someone you're looking at to try to make some value, a guy that's a ball striking machine, loves the wind. Kevin Stroman going off around 71. I like him. I like that.

He's one of the few guys from Arizona. You're going to play terrible. And it actually plays well in Florida. Yeah. So you're dead, Kevin. Tough break. But we both like you this week. So there's some upside.

All right. Well, another big week coming up next week, Sleeze. We got the man Thunder Dan. Dan Marley is in studio. I mean, one of the legendary NBA players, huge golfer and was so much fun to sit down with. He's awesome. Could have told basketball stories, you know, for days. I mean, getting into that dream team, too, the team that won the world championship in Toronto.

I'll do that too. I was like maybe the. they were the anti-dream one, which is like all pros, you know, classiest dudes in the business. They went out there and won every game by a million, but they did it with grace. And then here comes Dream Team 2. They're dunking on people's heads, went about 40, grabbing their nuts as they ran down the court. It was just one of those anti-dream teams. And it was a team.

That squad was an absolute monster. But a lot of great stories from Thunder. Yep. Thunder is a blast. But that's going to do it for us. We'll talk to you on next week's golf subpar.