Subpar - Braden Thornberry talks winning the Korn Ferry Tour Championship, if his Walker Cup Team is the greatest of all time

Episode Date: October 29, 2024

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar Colt Knost and Drew Stoltz are joined by 2024 Korn Ferry Tour Championship winner Braden Thornberry for an exclusive interview. One of the newest PGA Tour card ...holders takes us inside his recent victory at French Lick Golf Resort, winning the 2017 Individual National Championship while at Ole Miss and his victorious, star-studded Walker Cup Team.

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Starting point is 00:00:09 All right, here we go. Welcome back to Golf Subpar with Colt Nose and Drew Stultz. I want to get this thing going in a very positive way because your Denver Broncos are rolling right now. Correct. You are on the brink of being let off the hook in a bet that you have. You need one more win. And how many weeks we got left? We're not even halfway through the season.
Starting point is 00:00:31 So I'm going to start off. If you're watching on YouTube, you'll get to see what this is. But I got you a little gift just to get you. This is an actual surprise. This is an insured. waters here. Here we go ahead and open that bad boy up, but I got you a little something. Oh, come on.
Starting point is 00:00:45 Come on now, kid. That is official game war. The two one. The two one. Riley Moss? Look at that. Get it to Zoom. How about that?
Starting point is 00:00:55 Your new favorite player. I'm a lot like Riley, people say. Greatest cornerback in the league. Who's to say? People are saying it. This is, what a nice gesture. Got to thank Coach Payton for that right there. But I mean, that's official stuff right there.
Starting point is 00:01:09 Lee's. And it's Halloween. You just goes Riley Moss with your kids. I might. People will actually think it's me. Then I'll have to start signing it. You know what I mean? But holy shit, Riley, when did you move here? Don't you have a game next week? Hey, that's very nice of you. What a guy. I'm also invested in that as well. So I'm rooting for that too. I'm giving my gift to you later. I have it. I just forgot. I have definitely checked more Denver Broncos scores this year than I ever have in the past. It feels good, doesn't it? Be a part of a winning franchise. By the way, five and three, like, you are what your record says you are. That ain't bad. I'm coming around on this bow Nix.
Starting point is 00:01:41 He's not at Riley level yet. We'll see what you got the next couple of weeks. You got Ravens and Chiefs coming up. It's okay. We just need to grease one more. Anything after that is all gravy. Well, let's get to, we'll talk some more football lighter. Of course, we might be on a heater.
Starting point is 00:01:53 Might be on a heater at the moment. Yeah, you are. A heater, I mean, I have not lost when I've picked on this show yet. Yeah, I'm going to start tailing all of it. Well, you know, I'm about to start losing. If there's anyone that can curse it, it's me right now. All right. Well, let's talk a little Zozo here before we get into the main event,
Starting point is 00:02:07 golf event of the weekend, which was the Southern Highlands member guest. But Nico Echavaria, from Columbia, second PGA tour win. He's got two career top tens on the PGA tour, and they're both wins. It's a good way to be, by the way. When you run hot, you win. When you stink, you get to go home early. And you get the exemptions in two years. Of your tour card, job security, it's actually a really good way to be.
Starting point is 00:02:30 But I don't know that I've ever, has that ever been done before for a guy that's played in multiple years on the PGA tour? Two top tens and both are wins. I don't know. I'd have to go back and look at that. This one's a little better than his first one, too. Puerto Rico, any win is a good win. But, like, Zoso had some, it's the best field of the fall by a long shot. Yeah, took down Justin Thomas, Max Grazerman. He had Zander there, Morcao's there. I mean, you had some... A lot of really good players there. But he's your champ at the end, Bertie the 72nd hole.
Starting point is 00:02:55 To get it done, Justin Thomas had a million good chances. Hit it beautifully. Hit a lot of great putts that just didn't go in. But, I mean, he missed a playoff by a shot. Easily could have done it. I mean, eight straight pars to start the back nine, just lipping out everything it seemed like, and then birdie the last end up losing by one. But this Max Grazerman, I like his game. This is a stealthy guy.
Starting point is 00:03:16 He smashes it, and he puts the shit out of it. He has three runner-ups in his last five starts on the PGA tour. He can go. If you can drive it far and just know out-of-bounds balls, they don't even care if you're straight, and you roll it like that, he's second-in-strokes-game putting. I think he leads the PGA tour in average feet of putts made per round.
Starting point is 00:03:35 and he hammers it, like, that's, if you could pick two things to be, but you kind of, I was say, kind of can't teach. Sure, you can gain speed and sure you can work on your putting, but like some guys are just great putters, some aren't. Some guys can't. Some guys can't. He's got the two things. He's got the two things. There was a while, like, I'm not saying this is going to happen with him,
Starting point is 00:03:52 but there was a while there before Wyndham Clark started doing anything on the PJ tour. He was one of the, there was like two guys in the top ten on both strokes gained putting and like driving distance or something. And he was one of them. The other one was, I don't know, somebody that was winning everything. Like those are two big things that happen. I have a feeling once we start our little golf betting at the start of 2025, I'm going to be on him quite often because he's one of those guys. He's up to 42 in the world.
Starting point is 00:04:15 But I just think his odds won't be quite what he's capable of doing. It's quiet without a win. But I mean, Windham. Fuck, that one was brutal. Like he had watching that thing unfolds. Like he had that thing done. But I mean, three out of five runner ups out of his last five. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:30 That's not just a quick flash in the pan. But PJ Tour is off this week. We'll get back to it in Cabo next week. These fall events. I know the fields aren't that great, but you get to go to some sick places. Vegas, Cabo, Bermuda, Sea Island. God, you're all about this jersey. Sorry, dude.
Starting point is 00:04:50 Sorry, I was just looking at me. This is what it really feels like, huh? Game worn. Natalie pulled it out of the box when he sent it. She's like, it seems really small. I'm like, well, I think they stretch pretty good. About the same sizes, right? He'll be bulging out of that thing.
Starting point is 00:05:03 Yeah. the things. Let's go to the main event of the weekend. Let's hear about it. So high. Member guest, you and former guest on the program here, Ben Lamb, one of the world's greatest poker players, one of the world's most crooked drivers of the golf ball. But you guys got to play a shamble, which then it becomes super dangerous. So the member guest this year up in Vegas, we did three days, 18, 18, 19, nine holes, but it was no matches. It was just based off your score. And you got in your handicap. But the first day was a shamble. Then it was straight best ball. Then the last nine hole match was a shamble.
Starting point is 00:05:34 So a good thing for Ben is he could play my T-shot a lot of times. He played really well. Playing for my T-shot, it was good. We won our flight easily. I think we won by seven in our flight. Sandbagging. Went to the shootout. I'll get to that in a second.
Starting point is 00:05:48 Went to the shootout and ended up finishing second overall. The owner of the club, Gary and Sheldon Surrey actually won. Shelton won another one. I guess you can't be upset if the owner wins. Did you challenge Sheldon to a fight afterwards just to see who's the dominant alpha? No, but I'm like, how big is your member guest trophy? case. You've got 47 titles at least. He's got a lot of big things.
Starting point is 00:06:09 He's doing big things. He's doing big things. But anyways, it was a blast. It was five nights in Vegas, which was entirely too much. I was exhausted coming the end. But we played great. I ran out of gas there in the shootout. And also before the final round, a guy pulled my partner, Ben Lamb's side and said that Colt Nost is a sandbagger. I was giving five shots back around, plus five.
Starting point is 00:06:30 Yeah. If I had to pick one of these two guys on this leading two. team that I have an issue with. It's the plus five. Yeah, I mean, it's just, that's just the way things go and a member of guess. Someone's always going to be bitching and moan. And normally, that's not the plus five that they call out. But that's, go to the shootout because your partner, God bless him. By the way, to fluff you, he said you played great throughout the golf tournament. He's like, we get to the shootout. You ran it? You had a little putt that you hit in there. And he could let me know about it fast enough, by the way. And he's like, Cole just missed four foot of blue the whole tournament. Luckily, I'm the most clutch ever. I made a 12 footer.
Starting point is 00:07:04 It's like, I think your ball was still rolling when he was texting it. But walk us through the shootout. And give us the reason on the putt, too. Okay. So it's also a shamble in the shootout. You go 16, 17, and 18 at Southern Highlands. I hit my shirt. I have up there perfect.
Starting point is 00:07:19 We had like 52 yards left. Ben's T-shot went very far left. It might still be going. So I proceeded to hit up there at about four feet. And one of the guys in the shootout was a man named Jobie from Dallas, who is funnier and shit. Okay? I love the man.
Starting point is 00:07:33 he is awesome. Well, there's music going on during the whole thing and everything. It was that song Fancy Like by Walker Hayes where it says Applebee's on a date night
Starting point is 00:07:42 or something in there. And I'm literally over my putt and right as I pull it back and goes, you're going to miss your reservation at Applebee's. And I truly, like busted out laughing
Starting point is 00:07:49 as I hit it, missed it, proceeded to miss the next one. But then my partner did come up. He was devastated when I missed it because then his put was going to matter
Starting point is 00:07:56 because they go first, closest to the whole putts. And so then he had to go up and hit it And he actually buried a 12-footer in front of about 200 people. I was so pumped for him. And they knock out a few teams each hole.
Starting point is 00:08:09 We made it all the way to 18. There was four teams, and we lost. They made birdie-net eagle. Lose to the owner is probably good for him. You know what I mean? I was awesome. I got heckled, and it got me. I'm not proud of that.
Starting point is 00:08:20 I'm stronger mentally than that. But Joby, you got me. You son of a bitch. And then he's actually... Funny there's a song about Appleby. Yeah. He is. He's actually in New York City,
Starting point is 00:08:32 going to the World Series tonight, and he sent me a picture of an Applebee and said, Looking for you. It's good. You would like him. I won't drive by one for a while without thinking about it, probably. You would like him a lot. He's also a big LSU Tiger fan, so when they lost to the Aggies, I really enjoyed it the other night. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:47 That had to be revel in that. Yeah, man, it was awesome. They do such a great job there, and, I mean, it's Vegas. I love it. Had a little match. You look like you've gone through a war. Yeah, I think I'll see a beat of sweat coming down. I think that's tears from laughing.
Starting point is 00:09:01 That's tears from laughing. Your emotional wreck. On Wednesday was awesome. I teamed up with Monty, which was weird. We've never done that before against Ben and his buddy. And we actually lost. We both shot five under par, 67 and lost. We got smoked, actually.
Starting point is 00:09:14 Yeah, play better. Speaking of Monty on the same teams, like the Crips and the Bloods coming together. It doesn't feel right. We had a blast, though. Shout out to Shadow. We're actually going to be going there next month. We're going to do a little sit down with Monty Montgomery. It could be special, but it was, I mean, the place.
Starting point is 00:09:29 I just get so excited going there. Yeah, five days. This is too long to be in Las Vegas, but if you're going to spend five there, those are two of the spots to be. I've been home for 12 hours, and Ben has called me six times. Yeah. I've had enough of him. I feel like I played the member of guests, the time of text and FaceTime. I'd be laying in bed, but I'm watching football 10, 12 FaceTime Lime.
Starting point is 00:09:50 Yeah, here we go. And they're going. President started earlier. But it was a session, but good to be back. Well done. Runner ups are good. Don't sleep on runner ups. Slop some people around.
Starting point is 00:10:00 Yeah. Beat almost everybody. You know? That's what we were trying to do. By the way, that's the best I've ever done in a member of guest, I think, by far. Well, if they play matches, the nine-hole matches when you're the lowest-handed, I mean, you can't even finish middle of the pack. Like, you just lose over it, unless you do something crazy.
Starting point is 00:10:15 But when you actually add them up, and you've got a partner getting some pops that doesn't have to play his balls from other, you know, opposite holes, you become dangerous. When he's in Vegas and doesn't have to play his T-shot in Reno, he's okay. He's not straightest. He's not a hell of a talent, though, But he's a good host, Ben. Good host.
Starting point is 00:10:34 I can't wait to run it back again next year. Hopefully I'm still alive by then after this session. But let's get to our guest this week, huh? Before I get our guest, actually. It's never too early or too late to book a little spot, golf color, whistling straights, the American Club, all the above. We had a blast there a couple of months ago. It's probably getting a little cold there right now.
Starting point is 00:10:54 But hey, go ahead and start booking for spring, summer. Place is incredible. You'll love it. Maybe you can take your new best friend and wear your jersey up there. We've been talking about it. We haven't picked a date yet. We'll go up there, American Club. We didn't know if we want to bring the ladies or not.
Starting point is 00:11:07 They can go to the spa while we go out there and just get after it. But we'll see. But, yeah, if you're looking for a place, like I said, fellow's trip or I'm going to bring the ladies too, and they can get taken care of it. Or maybe they're golfers too. And they can get after it. All right, well, let's get to our guest this week,
Starting point is 00:11:21 who is a rather massive football fan, as I've been learning. He's an Ole Miss Rebel, Hotty-Totty. Just earned his PGA tour card for the first time. I was a member of the 2017 Walker Cup, and he's the only guy that pursued professional golf that had never earned a PGA tour card. Well, that all changed when he won the Corn Ferry Tour Tour Tour Championship just a few weeks ago.
Starting point is 00:11:41 Braden Thornberry joins us on Golf Subpar. All right, we got an upcoming rookie on the PGA Tour joining us today, had a monster amateur career and college career at Ole Miss. He just won the Corned Tour Championship. He's headed to the big show right where he belongs. Braden Thornberry, welcome to the show. Appreciate you, my man.
Starting point is 00:12:01 Thank you guys for having me. I'm looking forward to it. Yes, sir. Hottie, toddy. Here we go. Thanks so much for Joyce, man. Seriously, what's it been like the last few weeks from winning the Corn Ferry Tour Tour Championship, locking up your PGA tour card, knowing you're going to be playing with the big boys here soon? I mean, it's exciting. You go from, I mean, maybe three or four events left in the Corn Ferry season.
Starting point is 00:12:23 I'm halfway worried about, like, I was kind of on that 65 to 70 mark on the Corn Ferry. So I'm just, like, kind of worrying about that, just keeping my Corn Ferry card. and then, you know, to put some good weeks together and then win that last one and, you know, get my tour card. And, like, even in the top 30, finishing 16 is even better. So it was, it's changed a lot of stuff with obviously scheduling and, you know, looking at potential sponsors, all that kind of stuff. It was not where I expected to be like four weeks ago. Can I ask real quick about that tour championship too? Because I actually got to play that golf course a few months ago, the French Lick, um, die course.
Starting point is 00:12:55 Yeah. That place is impossible. And I think you shot you won it nine under. Like, was that the first time you had played it? That was the first time I played it. Yeah, it's a crazy course because it's, we played probably 70, I think it's like 8,100. Yeah. We played at probably 7,600, kind of a variation of that with some T's moved around and stuff. And it was actually perfect weather for the first three days.
Starting point is 00:13:17 And like 9 under, I think was leading through three days. I mean, that shows how hard it is. It was literally like soft. We were playing the ball up like no wind, sunny, like 75 degrees. And it was 9-Und through three days, which is like pretty much unheard of in those conditions. So, but yeah, then the last day it got. blowing like 25 to 30 so things changed a little bit but it was kind of still some of that hurricane rain kind of hit it I think the week before so it was just kind of like just soaked like
Starting point is 00:13:40 when we got there on like Monday and stuff and it kind of slowly got a little drier and drier throughout the week those fairways are so narrow and like visually it's like damn this place is like the first hole I walked up there and I'm just playing this fun thought of it I'm like where are we this is going to be impossible and then I heard y'all were coming there yeah what's tough is that like so a lot of those fairways you'll have a 510 yard par four like the first hole for example or like even like the 12th hole, it's like 5.30, and it's a 25-yard wide fareway. So even if you hit the fairway, you have like 220 and like a foreiron. But if you miss either way, it goes down both sides of the fairway.
Starting point is 00:14:12 Like you're either on a huge side slope and it's blind. It's just like not a super enjoyable golf course. It's like obviously a good test. And like the corn fray is a lot of easy golf courses. So it's like you feel bad if you like complain about a hard golf course. But yeah, it was like even if you played the holes well, they're really hard. And if you're out of position, it was just like impossible. Yeah, isn't that kind of nice though?
Starting point is 00:14:32 Like, you just like nine under winning. I mean, dude, you guys were having cuts, I think. They were like six. I don't know if one got the seven. I just had buddies text me like 68, 69 going home, you know, all that. It's got to be nice to play a hard part. Dallas, it was an eight undercut, but there was an amateur. So it ended up being seven.
Starting point is 00:14:48 But like normally with the amount of people, it was an eight undercut. And it's just like, I shot 600 for two days. I'm like, I didn't really do anything wrong, but just, I mean, you just got to tear it up. Like, I don't care how easy the course is. Like, you got to, you're teeing off on one and you got to get going right away. That would be the Veritex Bank Championship. The Veritex Bank is a great bank. If you're going to bank, you might as well bank with them.
Starting point is 00:15:05 We used to have a sponsorship. I'm a similar bank guy, so. Oh, yeah, that's right. They're good, too. They're good, too. Yeah, you were just out, I saw on your Instagram at this PJ Tour Champions event. Yeah, I'd went over there. They kind of were like, you know, if you want to come, you don't have to, but like, we'd
Starting point is 00:15:21 love to have you over here, and I was not doing anything. So I was like, I've never been to a champion store event. I'd never been to that Pleasant Valley Golf course that's in Little Rock. And I was like, I might as well drive over. it was like 2.15 away or something. So I just went over there and got to see like Ernie Ells and Rathief Goose and like all these guys. It was actually crazy because I used to go to the FedEx St. Jude growing up when I was, say when I was 12 years old. And it was like basically re-watching that tournament. It was all the same guys that, you know, are 52 now and they were 35 then or whatever.
Starting point is 00:15:48 So it was almost like re going to another tournament with all the same people I'd watch before. What do you've been doing since, I mean, you win the Corned Fairy Tour Championship? You got your tour card. But now you're kind of like, what are you going to do for the next few months? I assume you've celebrated appropriately, but how do you stay busy until you start getting some starts? Well, yeah, every new batch of people I see, like, congratulates me. So that's cool and it doesn't really get old. But I've kind of just been chilling. I haven't played golf hardly at all.
Starting point is 00:16:12 I've really just been like, so I was doing Q school. I didn't have status last year. And I did like the Cornthray Q school, the Live Q school, DPQ school. I did all those and then straight into the Bahamas. So I've had no off time since like last, September, October. So I've like truly finished that tournament. And I was like, all right, I got three months off. Like, if I'm going to take a break and like reset, like it needs to be now.
Starting point is 00:16:35 So I've hardly touched the club in the last like two and a half weeks. And then I'm kind of about to start get back into it and try to get sharp, you know, and start working on stuff I need to work on. But I was like, if I'm going to take some time off and get refreshed, it's got to be now. Yeah. And for those that don't know, like, I mean, you were an absolute stud growing up. You won the NCAAs, Mark McCormick Medal, Walker Cup. I mean, you're an All-American every single year you played.
Starting point is 00:16:57 are you a little surprise that took you like this long to get on the PGA tour? Yes, and I mean, it's just one, I mean, as both of you know, it's really difficult. And I think a lot of my peers in recent years have made it look easier than it is. And, you know, back in the day, I feel like people didn't come out and just win majors right away like Colin did or something like that. And it was kind of, I don't feel like I'm definitely a better golfer now than I was then. It just seemed like the spark, like, and I had in college, it would like I'd go into the final round in, you know, fifth place or 10th, place and I'd go tear it up and win by one. And then like, you know, these couple years, it's been like, all right, I'm playing good golf and I go out and shoot one under on Sunday and
Starting point is 00:17:35 finish 15th or 20th. You're like, I didn't necessarily like struggle. The game plan was good. Just like the 15 footers weren't going in, stuff like that. It was hard on me at first because I was like, I don't know what I'm doing different. Like, you know, the guys I'm planning against are better, but it's not really about that. Like if you're shooting, you know, in college, if you go shoot 15 under, 18 under through three days, like you can play with anybody. So it wasn't about the competition. I just feel like I didn't quite have the like, I don't want to say luck, but just like kind of the spark where you're like get going and you're 300 through five on Sunday.
Starting point is 00:18:05 Just feel like that was really happening for me for like two or three years in a row in college. And it kind of really until this year, because this year I was in, the scores don't show it because I've had a bunch of Sundays like where I just said where I shot, you know, one under, even, one over. And like I was in contention probably five or six times this year where I very easily could have won on Sunday. And so it was nice to finally. have that last one where actually wasn't as much in contention to go out there and tear it up and kind of the whole theme of the year had kind of been playing great and couldn't quite get it
Starting point is 00:18:32 done on Sunday. And then to have an amazing Sunday in my best round of the year and maybe best run of my life on Sunday to do it is a really cool like finish to the year. Yeah, picked a good time to flip the screw. Didn't you win like 11 times in three and a half years in college? Yeah, I actually didn't even win my last semester. So yeah, in three years. I guess in two years. I won my last two events, my freshman year and then kind of went crazy sophomore and junior year. in two years. Yeah, what was that thought process like, by the way, because, I mean, to turn pro at that time, I thought was kind of an interesting choice.
Starting point is 00:19:02 You were the number one AM in the world. You had exemptions into the U.S. Open and British Open. But then you decided to leave your spring semester. Yeah, so that was kind of a big thing why the PJ Tour you came about, because a lot of us, like, so Davis Riley and Willis Out of Taurus, we all did it the same year. They actually didn't go to Kew School. Their situation was a little different. But so you could go to Kewsko as an amateur and be exempt to second stage while you're
Starting point is 00:19:25 in college. So essentially, you know, if I would have, you know, finished out my four years, I would have had to wait until that fall and then the next year. So you'd miss probably, you know, six months, eight months of really being a pro other than a couple sponsor invites. And so I went to, I went to Q Squads and AM, got status. And then I was like, do I jump on the status now or do I risk, you know, going back to school and going to Q school again? And then if, you know, if I miss there, I'm going to feel like a real idiot. So that was kind of a flaw in the system, if you want to call it that. So that was kind of a good change. with the PJ Tour, you were they like, you have to go four years and then you can, you know,
Starting point is 00:19:58 start your career. Yeah, I mean, if you were just a couple years younger, you would have gotten your PJ Tour card multiple ways either through PJ Tour or you, which you said, you know, that came in after you got done, your amateur career. You won Q school one year when there was no cards. It's just like you were kind of like, there's so many different ways you could have gotten your card if things were as they are now. And it wasn't that long ago.
Starting point is 00:20:17 No, it wasn't. And I think, too, it was a little bit of an example of a couple of those people that were doing that. like I was saying, the leaving early, and how much success guys in my class, I could call in and the Justin Suh, the Victor Hobb when he was a year younger, but just all the success, they were like, if we give, you know, the top guy or even the top, like, five guys' opportunities, they're more than likely going to do something with it, which I agree with the whole process.
Starting point is 00:20:38 Every other sport is, you know, everybody's talked about this, but, you know, if you're a great player in college, you're guaranteed, you know, a big contract and an opportunity at the pro level. And golf is really, I got to go to second stage and that was it. Like, there was no real benefit that you get a couple, you know, potential starts on the PJ tour but you can play good in those and still not really necessarily get anything, which is kind of this little different point, but it's kind of a disappointing thing to me that they got rid of the finals on the corn fairy because that's where so many guys in my situation did it. They would go play a couple, finish top 200, go to finals, like Victor Hovlin did it that way.
Starting point is 00:21:10 And so I don't exactly know the path. They made it easier for the top couple guys to the PJ Tour U, but actually took away that avenue. So I'll be interested to see if that has any, you know, ramifications in the future. Yeah, I love the PJ Tour U program. I think it's awesome. Gets guys to stay four years and to keep track of that all year is great for us with what we do and provides a lot of great opportunities for you young guys coming out.
Starting point is 00:21:31 But I want to go back to that Walker Cup team, 2017, L.A. Country Club. I mean, y'all are loaded. I believe, Stuart Hagenstead, obviously, a lifelong amateur, you were the last one to earn a PGA tour card. So 9 out of 10 have earned a PGA tour card. Pretty impressive. Go over some of your teammates. So you're putting me on the spot. It was Scotty Sheffler, Wills Out of Tour.
Starting point is 00:21:52 Stug Gim, Maverickneely, Doc Redmond, Norman Jung, who am I forgetting? Stewie. Yeah, like I said, then I'm missing two more, I think. Was some? Oh, Cameron Champ. Cam Champ.
Starting point is 00:22:09 And I'm missing, I think, one more. Whoever it is, they're played on the PJ Tour, so they're good player. They'll probably listen to this too and be pissed, but I'll be looking for you. Whoever it is, I apologize. Yeah, play better. Brady, like, seeing a lot of those guys go on and, like you said, so quick, like, they skew the perception, right?
Starting point is 00:22:27 They skew the bar because it's like, oh, Kalamara Cowan comes out, wins right away, wins major championships right away. Was it hard to watch that knowing that, like, hey, I was, I'm the same as these guys. And I've been, I've competed with them, I've beat them. I've been just as good as they are. And yet here they go, already winning major championships at such a young age. Yeah, it was very, it was very frustrating because actually that summer, so I turned pro the semester early, those guys stayed. And then there was a couple of starts even that I was expecting to get in the summer on the PJ tour that they kind of had that big four that year. It was like, I think it was Morcawa, Justin's Matt Wolfe and Victor.
Starting point is 00:23:04 Victor, yeah. So all those guys, like tournaments kind of was like a theme, which was cool, like that you have kind of like the college guys coming out and you have the same four. But they got like basically like the same seven in a row. And so it was a little disappointing to me because I was like, you know, that was basically in that group, even, you know, older than a couple of them but uh so i was a little disappointing and yeah i mean there was i never really was like sad about that and because i was always on the corn fairy so my kind of thought was it like if i can do it i'll do it on the corn fairy it wasn't like i was sitting at home with no opportunities so i had a lot of people like say stuff that like that to me like oh like are you
Starting point is 00:23:40 jealous do you wish you were out there now and of course the answer is yes but i was like i'm on the corn fairy playing every week like if i'm good enough like this is where i need to show it like I have the opportunity in front of me, and I wasn't really able to do it for a while, which was, like, very frustrating because I felt like I was working hard. I was doing all the same stuff I did in college, and it just wasn't quite clicking. And I was like, you know, you start to have those doubts of like, either I need to change something, am I never going to make it? And that was obviously very tough, but I am very proud of the way I handled it and just kept
Starting point is 00:24:08 working hard and never really let that get to me at all. And I was like, if I'm good enough, like, I'm to keep working hard and I'll either make it or I won't. But I want to, if I don't make it, I want to be able to say that like I tried my hardest and it just wasn't meant to be. So I'm very grateful that I was able to have that mindset and finally made to the PJ Tour now. So it's a good feeling for sure.
Starting point is 00:24:27 Yeah, I don't think anyone is surprised to see you earn a PJ tour card that has known you growing up through the amateur ranks and everything. I mean, like I said, you want everything. And you did get all those guys right on the Walker Cup team. You didn't leave anybody out. I didn't leave anybody out. No, you just didn't count yourself. So you're only counting nine, but you didn't get yourself.
Starting point is 00:24:42 You're right. There's that guy. I forgot about this guy. Yeah, that's a tough look for that guy. Where does that rank as far as your golfing achievements so far, putting on the red, white, and blue and represent your country? Man, that was awesome. I know a lot of people have said it, but I've never been more nervous than teeing up the ball in the first hole. I don't know what it is.
Starting point is 00:24:58 Like, it's not a, it shouldn't be like inherently that nerve-wracking. Like, you're on the first hole. It's match play. You have a partner a lot of times. Like, it should be honestly like a fun, somewhat relaxing environment. Like, everyone's cheering you on, all that stuff. But something with putting the tea in the ground on the first hole of that thing, I've never felt like that. I almost couldn't get on the tea.
Starting point is 00:25:16 And then I think there was, it might have been like Paul McBride or something from the GBNI team. He like actually like dropped it a couple times. I was like, oh, no, this is like, like, you want to almost like make fun of it. But I was like, that could have very easily been me if I was just a little bit shakier. So I don't know what it is. I've heard people say that. And it's so true. Like I've, you know, if you're tied to the lead or something going starting on Sunday, like I've never had that feeling.
Starting point is 00:25:39 Like there's some internal nerves, but like I'm not shaking and stuff. So it was just, I don't know. Something about it just is a deeper. meaning when you get to like represent your country and you know it's it's that and also just being like kind of the honor of like looking around you and seeing all those players which obviously they weren't who they are now but like when you're in it you can kind of tell the guys you know which guys are going to just be ballers in general for their whole career so just to be like included with those people it's just really neat who do you keep up with the most from that team from that team
Starting point is 00:26:08 you keep up with those guys i talked to all of them occasionally but probably like I was saying, they all got to the PJ tour right away, so I was not with those guys as much. Like, I probably talked to my best friends are Davis Riley and Taylor Moore. So Davis almost made that team. So those are kind of the guys I've talked to most. And then obviously guys on the corn fairy that have been through and stuff. But I keep up occasionally, like with all those guys.
Starting point is 00:26:31 But I wouldn't say I'm like talking consistently really with anybody out there right now. That's a hell of a class. Yeah, that's the guys that didn't make the team that almost made the team. Yeah, Sam Burns, which was very controversial. Like he definitely should have made that. that team. I don't know what the politics were with that. But I mean, for Sam Burns to be left off that team, Davis Riley, like, I mean, that's pretty, just to be Americans in that age for like, that stack of a class is insane. What was the score in that one?
Starting point is 00:26:57 It was the way you all, you all right. It was like 19. 7 or 17 or something like that. Or maybe 197. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's right. And I think it was Norman Jung and Morikawa, I believe. They won on like 11 green one day. Like it was just crazy. It was like, I don't remember which format it was, but like the whole vibe of the week, like obviously we're the home team and just, I mean, we have the momentum all week. We were leading by a lot going into Sunday and we're like, you know, if we just went a couple of these matches
Starting point is 00:27:24 we're good and then I think we won like, I don't know, like eight out of the ten matches or whatever it was. Like we just, I mean, the whole week we were just playing great. Yeah. Better luck next time. It's a special week. There's no doubt. But now you're heading to the PGA tour. I know you're obviously love being from Memphis. You love the FedEx
Starting point is 00:27:39 St. Jude Classic. Other than that, what's an event you really got circled on the counter? Like, cannot wait to get there. It's a tough question. I mean, I would, I mean, Phoenix is probably, I know a lot of heard the podcast last time with McCarty, he said the same thing because he's from there. But I think that one's probably cool because it's the most different of all the others. And I just think that that's like playing 16 and stuff.
Starting point is 00:28:04 You see it your whole life like growing up and stuff. I think that would be really, that would be a really cool one of play that's very different. But honestly, I'm just looking forward to just in general. I've played four seasons now on the corn fairy. And like you get very, I don't want to say. bored, but like going to the same cities, you're not really having to do any work in the practice round because you've seen this course in all different conditions. So I'm kind of excited to like get to some tournaments on like Sunday and like play the Monday Pro Am and like see it for
Starting point is 00:28:25 the first time, like all that kind of stuff. So just overall being just, I've worked so hard for so long for it, just being a PJ tour player. And like, I think I've played maybe 12 PGA events throughout the last five years. But like being able to show up on property as a PJ tour member just going to be really special and like a very different feeling, I think, to the past. How are you with playing when there's noise around? I'm fine with that. I play really quick and noise doesn't bother me. You do play right quick. I love that. When I went to the Champions Tour event yesterday, when you're out, it was the first time I've
Starting point is 00:28:54 been outside the ropes since I was like 16 going to the St. Jude or something. And I didn't realize how much noise there is actually outside of the ropes. I don't really hear it when you're like, I guess, focused and kind of just doing your own thing. But like when you're outside the ropes, there's kids and people walking around and talking and stepping on leaves. And like it was pretty hectic. I was like almost like to tell people to like calm down while these guys are hitting. Talk about your pace of play.
Starting point is 00:29:15 because it's something we don't get, we don't say many good things about the pace of play and professional golf right now. You play ridiculously fast. When you're paired with some of these guys that, because let's be honest, most of them are slow. There are very few fast people.
Starting point is 00:29:30 What's it like for you? Do you just have to go off in your own little zone and just not pay attention to what's going on? Yeah, I mean, it doesn't bother me that much just because I'm so used to it. Like a lot of times people are slow and I don't even realize it to like the back nine or something, but the stuff that really gets me
Starting point is 00:29:43 is like the aim point on the two-footer and stuff. That always just burns me up a little bit. But it's like, because I'm just very much a field player, like a reactive player. And I just feel like, I mean, everybody's different. But like I just feel like that's kind of what golf is. And then unfortunately, I think over the last like 10 years, it's turned a little away from that into kind of like a robot game and math game, which works for some people. But I don't think, I think some people might even be better on the PJ tour if they were more that way as opposed to be or more feel based as opposed to being so like, I don't know, computer minded. but I do think the playing tour golf, which I've noticed it even for myself, like,
Starting point is 00:30:16 when you're around people that all hit it dead straight and they do everything perfect and all that, it rubs off on you a little bit. Like a lot of times I'll start the season and like in the off season, I've been working the ball right to left, left to right, like spinning chips, all this kind of stuff. And then I swear I play like, you know, six, seven events in a row and all of a sudden I notice I'm trying to hit everything dead straight. So it's like your surrounding, I think like makes a big difference with that. So you kind of have to block it out a little bit.
Starting point is 00:30:37 The same thing with a slow play. I think I just need to be like myself as much as I can and just. let everybody else do what they're doing. I'm glad you mentioned that about being a field player, and I totally agree with you. I think there's some guys that get too bogged down in the mechanics and the science and the trackman numbers and trying to be perfect. You have a really cool golf swing.
Starting point is 00:30:55 There's things going on in that swing that teachers wouldn't teach if you showed up as a kid swinging like that, but you make it work and you hit it beautifully. What does your instruction look like, if any? Do you take lessons? Yeah, so I've been working with Scott Hamilton the last, I mean, not a ton, but probably seen him maybe five times. over the last year or so. And I'm not a huge, like, at the tournament guy. Like, I want to go to
Starting point is 00:31:17 somebody when I have a tournament in a month and be like, all right, what direction do we need to be working on? Like, I just like having some sort of feel, some sort of, yeah, basically, like, directions the best way I can put it is just knowing what I need to be doing a little bit and kind of working on one thing. I think a lot of guys, like we just talked about, they'll have their, everybody's at the tournaments and everybody's so technical. And like, it just turns the game in and not really like a game anymore. It's almost like you're just trying to do everything. so perfect and it's not very fun. So I noticed I've played my best golf when I'm like feeling good and having fun and like even playing fast. That's another thing. Like I feel like when I'm
Starting point is 00:31:49 playing well, I read puts less and less and like it just feels like I can get like rolling a little bit as opposed to just trying to hit positions and like worrying about. I've seen guys with like wind charts on how far it's going to go and all that stuff. And I just don't really, it's not that I don't believe in it. Like I do think it works for certain people, but it's just not my style. God bless you. So refreshing. I love all this. And I love Scott Hamilton. Give him my best. He is one of the best. We got to talk a little football. football here. Old Miss Rebels. It was looking good early. I know we got two tough losses, Kentucky and LSU. Is that?
Starting point is 00:32:20 Yes, that's correct. It's been very, this has been one of the first years, which obviously hopes for this year was an national championship. And it's been very disappointing that I think both games, like Kentucky had a good game plan against us and just like, it just felt like one those games we were going to win by 17 and like go crazy at some point. And the game just like ended quickly. I don't know. And then all of a sudden we missed that field going lose. then LSU feels like we should have won 4120 and they just like I don't know we just haven't quite clicked like I feel like we've been
Starting point is 00:32:46 clearly the best team in every game we've played and even like South Carolina we beat them I think 263 or something like that and it felt like it should have been 45 3 so it's like I think we have a great team which is hopeful for the 12th team playoff that maybe we can win out and do something with it but I still just don't feel like we've quite clicked to where we can which is like kind of
Starting point is 00:33:04 frustrating but to be to be ranked whatever we are 15-ish or whatever and be disappointed is always a good thing Yeah, and you got a chance if you're ever going to lose two games early. This is the year to do it with the 12th. Can you imagine a home game with the Grove down there, a playoff game would be spectacular. Tell us about the Grove because we have a bunch of friends. They went to Olez.
Starting point is 00:33:23 They all come back. They say best tailgate in the world. What's it like? It's unreal. Well, what's interesting, going back to what you said about the home game in the playoffs, for some reason, I've been saying, like, example to people, like, it'd be so sick if we played in Oxford versus Oregon, like round one or whatever, which I guess they'd get a bite. so maybe we wouldn't play Oregon.
Starting point is 00:33:40 But like if we could sneak in and play one of those schools that we never really like get to play, especially and have those fans coming to Oxford, I think it'd be just amazing. And I'm going to the Georgia game in a couple weeks, and that's going to be, I'm actually doing my bachelor party in Fayetteville next week. So we're going up there. And then I'm going to the Georgia game. We're having a little like Ole Miss Golf alumni deal. So I'm going to back to back.
Starting point is 00:34:00 And I think I've been to two already this year. So I'll be hitting a good bit of them this year. I was reading about the Friday trash cans. I thought that was describing my golf game. but I got that down there. What is this? That's how they do tailgating. Yeah, they just put them out like the red and blue.
Starting point is 00:34:16 Like it's always like the first one of the year is always kind of a big one. It's not really like a super like special thing. But it's always like people get hyped for it because like I think it's maybe Thursday like before the first get home game of the year. They'll start putting the trash cans out in the grove and it's like starting to become real. And like so do you say you guys have or have not been to the growth? I have not. And I'm. Have not. It's amazing.
Starting point is 00:34:35 I mean, I haven't been a whole lot of to a whole lot of schools. I've been to Fayetteville in Arkansas before. And like, I went to Ohio State game the other day during the event in Columbus. And it was just not quite the same. Like there's tailgating throughout, but it's kind of like find a patch of grass here, parking lot here. Like true like tailgating. But like Ole Miss, it's like we have these just, I don't know how many acres it is.
Starting point is 00:34:56 Just huge. I'm sure you've seen pictures. And there's just tents literally covered everywhere. It's like honestly hard to walk even sometimes for the big games. And like the tents have chandeliers and like the nicest catering you ever seen. Like it's just, it's a cool. environment. People go overboard, but that's kind of like the point, I guess. All right. So if we got a 230 kickoff, what time are we starting to tailgate?
Starting point is 00:35:16 I mean, I'm usually probably like, I don't know, three or four hours before. Because I like going in the game early too. And like when I was younger, like in high school and stuff, I'd get there literally first from two hours before they do the Walk of Champions. I'd follow them in and like get like first row in the student section. I was like 17. So I don't know if that was frowned upon or not. But I would do that. But yeah, I would say something like that. You get to hang out in the grove for two and a half, three hours and going to the game a little early. That's probably probably normally the move. Did you develop a friendship with Kiffin at all while you're there?
Starting point is 00:35:45 I have not. They're doing, so next week at the Georgia game, they're recognizing me and Jackson Suver on the field. So I don't know if we'll get to meet Kiffin before the game or whatever. I've never talked to him. Our coach, Coach Boy, he's friends with him, our golf coach at Ole Miss. So he's friends with him. So it's definitely in the realm of possibility. But yeah, I've never, never even seen him in person other than like from the sand so hopefully we get to meet him that georgia game that's going to be yeah sick yep yeah we're some i'm pretty sure we're favorite in the game right now i'm not totally convinced on that but hopefully we hopefully can get it done and dogs they're tough yeah yeah favorite out to you favorite at home against georgia i always
Starting point is 00:36:23 find this interesting because with being from the memphis area you don't have a pro sports team so do you root for anybody in the nfl well i have the memphis grizzlies so i'm a big grizzlies got in NFL. John and all that. But NFL, not really, because we had the Saints, like the Saints,
Starting point is 00:36:39 Titans, the Rams were there in St. Louis. Like, the Cowboys were like seven hours away. The Falcons were like five. So, like,
Starting point is 00:36:44 we were in a circle of, like, teams and people kind of did. I would say probably Saints and Titans were like the big thing, but I just never have really gotten in the NFL. Like, I watch it every Sunday,
Starting point is 00:36:53 but like, it's kind of unfortunate. Like, the way I feel when I watch an Ole Miss game, it's just like, you get your blood going. And that's what I wish I could have an NFL with a team.
Starting point is 00:37:01 And I lived in Dallas for a little bit, tried to adopt the Cowboys, but just didn't quite, it felt like forced a little bit. So I don't know. I wish I had a team, but hopefully one will come to me someday. You mentioned the Memphis Grizzlies. Have you ever met our man, Chris Vernon? Chris Vernon, yes. It's going down at Augustus?
Starting point is 00:37:17 Yeah, we had him on the show. He's awesome. He's the man. I love that guy. He's a good dude. Do you feel like John Morant just kind of wrong place, wrong thing? Now that you have a tour card, do you think he can slide on his Instagram? That'd be cool.
Starting point is 00:37:29 Maybe. He does fun stuff on there. I love to meet all those guys. I'm trying to exploit this tour card as much as possible. Yeah, I feel like you'd have a lot in common with Shaw. You guys could hang out. That's good. Should we get to the E9 here?
Starting point is 00:37:40 Yeah, let's do E9. I think you know the routine here. And I'll just, we'll start it off because you are engaged, so we're going to start it off with. If you could be anyone for a day. You get to walk in their shoes for a day. Anyone over the history of time, who would it be? I'm a big Supercross fan.
Starting point is 00:37:58 I don't know if you knew that about me, but I'm going to go James Stewart, James Bubba Stewart. I don't know who that is, but... I do not, and you're the first person to come with that response. We get a lot of Michael Jordans, and that is fantastic for me to know on the broadcast when you're playing well, because I don't think anybody in the golf world
Starting point is 00:38:15 knows you're big into superclass. If I had another... I'm a little heavy for the sport. They're all about 160, 170 pounds. But if I can be a different life, that would be my passion, absolutely. Wow, I like that. Okay, see, we learn something new every day. Okay.
Starting point is 00:38:30 Great, now I actually don't know this story, but I've been told by multiple people around you to ask. I need to hear about your first college round at Ole Miss, what you shot and how you enjoyed your lunch. Okay, so it was not good. Like you said, I was a good junior player. I've done well in qualifying all that. I'm playing like one or two on the team.
Starting point is 00:38:50 So like high expectations, all that stuff. Go in. It's at the farm in Dalton, Georgia, which is very tough golf course. Go in and just have probably the worst day of my life on every front. shoot 85 just nothing goes right so i finish up uh sam horsefield's in my group we finish up on nine you know coach is there and he's like all right go you know go to your scores or whatever and like like i'm down in the dumps obviously but me and sam are talking getting shuttled up to the clubhouse and you know i get up there do my scores we go out and he's like you want to grab some lunch and
Starting point is 00:39:20 sure so we go over you know get a burger or whatever sit down and like i'm not seeing any other teammates for like 15 20 minutes but i'm like they're doing something whatever i'm not sure so they all come walking up together. I'm like, oh, I guess maybe they were down there. I still just not thinking anything about it. Coach Malik comes up to me and he's like, come here. Like, okay? So we walk over, kind of like this little balcony section away from the people,
Starting point is 00:39:41 and just starts ripping me, like absolutely ripping me. Going just how selfish I am, all this kind of stuff, flips my hat around backwards so he can get like closer to my face right here. And like, so he's ripping me for a couple minutes. And like probably for the first half of it, I didn't even know what I'm getting yelled at for. So like, that's a real bad feeling when you're, you're like sitting there and you're just getting ripped right here and like you're like,
Starting point is 00:40:01 I don't know what I did. Is it because I shot 85? Like this is terrible. I don't know if I want to play here, no, this kind of stuff. And then finally he said something where I like, I realize it and I was like,
Starting point is 00:40:10 oh, coach, like I'm sorry. I didn't like, you didn't tell me. Like I don't know. I didn't know to like come down there. Like there was like three groups left to finish and Sam was like, you want to get some lunch.
Starting point is 00:40:18 I'm like sure. So that was a and like I remember too like almost having like a little thought of like a tear coming out. I'm like you can't come out. That cannot come out. Freshman shoot 85, coaches yelling, like if you cry, you're done. So luckily, I was able to keep that in. And it was not a good start to my college career.
Starting point is 00:40:35 So it was about not going down and watching your teammates come in after you finished. It wasn't, which I should have known and done. But like, I'm telling you, it never crossed my mind. Like I'm just sitting there eating lunch. I'm like, oh, where is everybody? Like no thought of it. But I guess that was something I knew after that and I never did it again. So that worked, I guess.
Starting point is 00:40:52 All right. And you bounce back from that 85 nicely. You put that in the rear view and went ahead and had a nice little career, huh? Yeah, exactly. Who knows if I had a shot in 75 that day, maybe it wouldn't be here. Exactly. That could have been the catalyst. All right, next one. Can you give me the actual definition of haughty-toddy? I cannot. Someone asked me this other day. It's from way back in the day, and I don't, I know there's the drink that's something similar. I don't think there's like a clear answer to it. I don't know if it's one of those things where people have started saying it and it just caught on, but I actually don't fully know. So I can't really say any more about it than that. The only thing I found out was it's not actually haughty-toddy when it used, like way back in the day when it started. And then it just somehow morphed into this. But nobody really knows the definition of it.
Starting point is 00:41:33 No, I don't know. No one around Ole Miss even knows, I think. And it's always one thing. I get it so much at tournaments. Like, hottie-toddy, Thorntary or whatever. And I don't know what to say back. Do I say hottie-toddy? Do I say thank you?
Starting point is 00:41:43 Like, I don't know what to say to that. Thank you. I mean, I'm glad to get the support. And like, I love Ole Miss as much as anybody. But I never have, like, developed quite the response to that. Yeah, I think you just throw a haiti-toddy back out of them. Yeah, I think so. But it catches me off guard a little bit when we're in, you know, I don't know,
Starting point is 00:41:57 Michigan and you just hear a haiti-toddy as you're walking by, and you're already like 10 feet past the guy. This one doesn't count, but it's along the same lines. Welcome to the SIP. Is SIPP just, is that what y'all call Mississippi? Yeah, that was Kiffin's deal. So, like, Old Miss had always had the, I guess, like, the old school, very traditional, all that kind of stuff.
Starting point is 00:42:16 And, like, we weren't really having a success you want to have. So Kiffin comes in and, like, you know, he's like a cool vibe. like the recruits like him, kids like him, all that kind of stuff. So that was kind of his, like, you know, he does the welcome to the SIP. The guys walking down like the walk of champions is what they do, like from the bus to the stadium, whatever. It's like, I don't know, a quarter mile or something. It's like a 10-minute walk, five-minute walk.
Starting point is 00:42:36 And they can wear whatever. Like Jackson Dard, our quarterback's wearing like a Gucci hoodie and stuff like that. So he tries to, like, I think, play into, we got very lucky with the timing of getting Kiffin because of the NIL and all that kind of stuff. He leans into that so hard and does such a good job with it that I think that was very, nice timing for us. And some schools were a little behind. So that was very, very nice. Oh, it's my go again. Okay. You said that one. I asked the bonus ball. I asked, all right, we're just stay on Ole Miss here. I just want to know, you're die hard. Bleed for Ole Miss. Give me the best sporting event you've ever attended at Old Miss. It could be
Starting point is 00:43:09 while you were there. It could be when you're a kid. So when I was one of those times when I was talking about when I went in the student section early, like two hours early, got there. And it was the time in 2014, we beat Alabama at home. We were ranked like, I don't know, 17. It was kind of our, the first time in my life that we'd been good. And we went, Alabama number one came in and we beat them. And it was, that was unbelievable. I remember there was, so I think it was Sincquez Golson, one of our cornerbacks.
Starting point is 00:43:34 He, like, catches in the end zone. They call it incomplete. Everybody's disappointing. Because, like, if it's interception, it's the game. Because it's right at the end. And they're like, all right, we're reviewing it. So it's quiet for, I don't know, like five minutes. It took a while.
Starting point is 00:43:45 Comes out and he's like after review, like, ruling on the field as it was intercepted. And like, I've never, it was so loud that I got like, a headache from it. I've never had anything like that before. And it was like the coolest experience ever because like you're not, which now I think our expectations are to do great things. But at the time like it was, you know, beating Alabama was the best achievement in like history. So that was kind of that was cool to be there like front row watching that. Actually remember that game. Do you remember the Peach Bowl from that year by chance? Anyone? No, yeah, didn't go well. I guess in TCU did something. Stupid. Just Google.
Starting point is 00:44:16 I believe it was like 42, three or something like that. I forgot. I can hardly even Congrats on your peach bowl. I can hardly remember, dude. Don't be a hater. This is sick. Don't be a hater. All right. While you were licking your lips over there,
Starting point is 00:44:28 we're going to ask, favorite barbecue place in Memphis. I think I'm going to go. The go-to favorite, I think, from people outside of Memphis is, is rendezvous downtown, but I think Germantown commissary over there, you've probably been there.
Starting point is 00:44:41 It's probably been there or not if you've been there or not. It is unbelievable. It's like just kind of a little, like, little house, kind of, and you kind of go through the hallways and stuff, but it's, I think it's, to me, it's the best one.
Starting point is 00:44:51 Some good eating there. That rendezvous on the range, do they do it on the tournament? Very nice. Except when it's 110 out. They're all good. I mean, honestly, if you didn't put the logo on them and just brought them out, I think I'd eat them all and love them and not know which is the wish. Nothing goes down but smoother than a little barbecue when it's 170.
Starting point is 00:45:07 Yeah. You got a lot of walking. You know what I mean? You just dripping sweat. You just want to load up on some pulled pork. Yeah, it's not great. That's probably the hottest I've ever been in my life. It's the hottest place.
Starting point is 00:45:17 Two years ago at the FedEx, St. Jude. Friday, it was like 111 heat index was zero wind, and it was the most miserable time I've ever had on the golf course. Yeah, Memphis is not the greatest for weather because it kind of gets really miserably hot and pretty miserably cold. Like there's our sometimes in the winter that, like, you can have shorts and a jacket on. But like, it's kind of right in that spot where it's like you can kind of get the worst of both. So that's a little unfortunate. But yeah, I agree that the St. Jude when I was growing up going to it, it was always, it always hit on the hottest week too. And I believe it when I was growing up, it was in May.
Starting point is 00:45:47 So it shouldn't have even like been crazy hot. but it was always like 102 every day, a heat index of 110. And it was, I don't know how it always happened that way, but it seemed like it did. But even in May, though, we always had a lot more win
Starting point is 00:45:58 when we played there, and the scores were way higher. Like, if you got to double digits when it was in May, it was tough. Now they shoot zero with it being in August. Yeah. So,
Starting point is 00:46:05 yeah, when I played it in college, I think I was, I was like eight under or something and in the mix. And like now, yeah, like the next year, there was like no win and soft
Starting point is 00:46:14 and like DJ shot like 19. And now they always get to around 20, which is just like pretty impressive on my golf course. By the way, so is a fourth place finish in college at a PJ tournament. Yeah, that was a good week. Which that's why I'm kind of similar to Indiana. Like, I love when stuff's hard because I feel like it like keeps you in it so much longer.
Starting point is 00:46:29 Like that week, I made the cut on the number, shot like 3 under on Saturday. And then I get hot on Sunday and all of a sudden I'm in the mix where like some of these corn fairy events we play were like 27 under wins. Like if you're not, I mean, if you're not at 12 through two days, like you have no chance. Like unless you just shoot 60-60 or something. So I feel like the tough golf courses just keep you in it so much longer. Yeah, and you just don't get those. on the corned ferry tour you just got to just go it's like four monday qualifiers in a row
Starting point is 00:46:53 scores it's from you know like xuma and bahama's the first one of the year it's from it blowing 50 like it's not that that hard a golf course but you know 10 under wins just because it's kind of like nicky mouse golf a little bit so so we don't get a lot of true like just hard 7500 yard long rough firm greens like that's what i mean a lot of the PJ tour is so it'd be nice if there be more of that and i do think they're doing a good job on the corn ferry from 2019 was my first year to now like pretty much, I would say the bottom three or four events, they've replaced with some of the best golf courses, like taking the worst golf courses,
Starting point is 00:47:25 made on the best. So overall, I think the schedule has gotten a lot better, but they still have a lot of work to do, I think, from... And I do think the cornucre gets a bad rap, too, with the courses being, like, bad or, like, not nice. Most of them are very nice. Like, a Springfield, Missouri, for example,
Starting point is 00:47:39 like, the scores are always low, but it's pure. Like, it's, I mean, it's a great golf course, great country club, all that kind of stuff. So it's just not a great, like, all those aren't great, like, PGA tour tests. I don't think they show, like, like who's necessarily ready for that level, you know. Still got to be a great player to win there in Springfield.
Starting point is 00:47:52 A lot of great talent to win that spring go. That's kind of like if you can win here, then you're on your way. You know what I mean? Exactly. That one's the one that matters. You said you're going back to Ole Miss to be honored soon. Maybe meet Coach Kiffin. Are you going to run it back with the field goal with the golf club,
Starting point is 00:48:09 which I think is the only one I've ever seen do that? That was sick, by the way. That was sick. And looking back on it was very risky because it was an LSU night game. And we were, I would have gotten booed out of there and probably never shut my face again if I missed it. So I don't know. It might be one of those things where I'm one and done. I don't think it's worth doing again because I feel like I only have downhill to go.
Starting point is 00:48:28 But it's actually like not that hard. So that's the thing is like when I did it like the day before on Friday, I had like 10 in a row. It's like a nine iron or eight iron or something. Like it just goes through easy. And like no problem. But then I got out there and like it's like hadn't swung all day, all that kind of stuff. And like go out there. And I'm like, if this goes bad, like it's, I don't know what I do.
Starting point is 00:48:45 I just like walk off like with my head down. Like I don't know what I do. where you hooped that thing snuck it right in that left up right I did that and the crowd went nuts the closest I came to missing any of it which it still the video kind of shows it like tailing off pretty good
Starting point is 00:48:58 it was kind of already through by that point but like it certainly like coming off the club it was the first one I'd hit in the two days that I was like that could miss it's a good I'm surprised more places that'd be a good thing for game day since no one can make the field goal that they kick yeah I like the field goal thing
Starting point is 00:49:14 he's got some valuable hands though I guess you know I risk it true all right next one. Favorite TV show of all time. I heard you can recite every word. Me. Every word of a show. That's what I was told.
Starting point is 00:49:28 Got some bad info. Our source is a shit, by the way. Yeah. Stuart Axis. Yeah, this might be some bad info or maybe at the time when I told him. He said it's either Gray's Anatomy or Friends. I like friends, but I wouldn't say I could recite every word. I've never seen Graz's Anatomy, so you might have got some bad info there.
Starting point is 00:49:46 You're dead to me. Nice call, Stuart. Yeah. He's probably messing with you. You're listening right now. I know you are. Come with some better shit next time. Dude,
Starting point is 00:49:53 if you're going to be a source, is this payback for us not having you on our show store? Oh, my God. You could just make something up and been more accurate. Yeah. Yeah, those mid-ams don't get you credibility as a source. He's been working so hard. He's got to forgotten some of stuff.
Starting point is 00:50:07 Yeah, I'm sure. All right. Well, that question sucked. All right. I'm going to go to the Walker Cup here. I need you to clear this up, dude. You brought it up early. With you getting your tour record now is the 27.
Starting point is 00:50:17 17 Walker Cup, the greatest Walker Cup team of all time. A lot of people are saying it's hands down far and away the best, and I would probably tend to agree with them. I think it's probably already in the ballpark, and a lot of guys haven't done probably a lot of the great stuff they're going to do. So I don't know. I mean, having Scotty alone on there is definitely, which is crazy, because on that team, Scotty and Will were kind of the last two on,
Starting point is 00:50:42 which is amazing. I mean, Will's almost won like three majors, and Scotty's obviously had one of the best runs at all time. So it's crazy. It shows how hard or strong on that team was that they were like some of the last guys on it. And, you know, I would have, Scott, he's crazy to me because I always knew he was a great player. He had success at every level. But like just the success that he's had is just, now I think, Colin, I think you've known him longer.
Starting point is 00:51:01 But I just did not expect that level. I expected to be on tour, went on tour, all that kind of stuff. But just what he's done, I didn't think was possible anymore in the modern game, honestly. That's not really cool to hear. Yeah, I mean, that's a dominate like that in a tiger clip. Yeah. It's amazing. I would just say go look at the career earnings because Dustin got like 200 million from Lyft, so we're way ahead.
Starting point is 00:51:21 Career, that's not earnings. That's not earning that was a signing bonus. And by the way, I like where their team's at coming into the world of you win $4 million bucks every time you win type of deal. So it might surpass it. I think I saw that our day that Scott, he's already like, I don't know, seventh all time or something on the career earnings list. There's a couple, like, what, three years of doing good stuff?
Starting point is 00:51:38 It's crazy. I mean, he's making more than like Mahomes and these guys. It's crazy. I was just on the course. I was reading this list our day. I think it was like $3.4 million a tournament this season. If you count his FedEx Cup bonus, yeah. It's a good rig.
Starting point is 00:51:50 It's a good gig if you can get it. Why not just play every week if you're going to make that much time? Yeah, I saw that. There's like, $12,000 a shot. I'm like, I'm just taking more shots. I just shoot 85. You know, don't want your teammates come in. I was in a trimetter.
Starting point is 00:52:01 You're ahead of the curve. So you said Scotty's the one that kind of surprised you, obviously because he's done crazy things. But when you were on that 2017, which will go down as one of the best ever, you can't pick yourself because I know you would. We all would. Who did you think would have the best, career off of that team.
Starting point is 00:52:20 That's a tough question. Probably more Kawa. I mean, he was always, he was another interesting one in college too because he didn't win as much as like how good he was. But he just, I mean, he finished top five in every big tournament you can imagine and just obviously beautiful golf swing. Everything was just very sound. Like he looked like a PJ tour player when he went out there.
Starting point is 00:52:40 So that was probably like the can't miss person. I've always been, he wasn't on that team, but I've always been a big fan of Sam Burns. I think he's just unbelievable. he's a gamer. Like, I think he has everything you want, and I think he's very underrated. So obviously not on that team, but very easily could have been. I think he, I don't know, I just feel like I'm a big fan of his game. Yeah, he grips it, rips it.
Starting point is 00:52:59 He plays fast as well. Yeah, I don't, I think he's so underrated, which is not necessarily a bad thing. He's got a ton of money and can probably go in Walmart and be fine. That's not a bad place to be. I like it. Yeah, it ain't a bad place to be. The brain, this has been a lot of fun, man. Thank you so much for joining us.
Starting point is 00:53:13 Congrats on getting to the PGA tour. Very well deserved. Can't wait to follow you next year. Yeah, appreciate it. Thanks. What to do it again sometimes. See you in Phoenix, brother. Let's go. Clearly, his on.
Starting point is 00:53:23 Wear his ass out, whatever you want. I got you. For you anything. Don't tell anyone. All right, that was Braden Thorbury. Join us on golf subpart. And also, Riley Moss has now joined us officially. It's a little snug on me if I'm being honest.
Starting point is 00:53:35 I might have a little more upper body than Riley. He's probably got me in the lower if I'm being honest. Makes sense. I feel great. I feel fast as shit right now. I do like that he sent the orange one too. I feel like I feel fast as shit. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:45 I want to hit somebody. in the mouth. Food is right outside. He'd be a good place to start. All right. Well, let's talk about our guest, man. I don't know him very well. I've met him a couple of times. What a nice kid. If you don't root for him, I don't know what you do. He is, was, I remember hearing about him in amateur golf, how good he was. I mentioned that Walker Cup team finishing fourth in college at the FedEx St. Jude. Thought he was a future star. He still might be. Still might be. But really cool to see. I'm so pumped for him to be out on the Pee's. PGA tour now.
Starting point is 00:54:18 Yeah, I think probably just a huge relief for him being that like we talked about that Walker Cup team. Everybody on that team has gone on to get on the PGA tour. A lot of them are going on and winning major championships. Except for Stuart Agostad and his shitty information. Except for Stewie with Gray's anatomy or whatever. The only one that's, we're going to talk, well, I'm going to text you after this, but you got to tighten up if we're going to get you on the show like that.
Starting point is 00:54:40 But now he's got it. He joins the club. And I think it's got to be just like a huge relief. Like, okay. No more. I can put it all to bed. I don't have to talk about it. And what a run, because, like, he mentioned it.
Starting point is 00:54:51 Going into the playoffs, he hadn't even secured his card for the next year on the Corn Fairy Tour. Then he finished his fourth in Boise. That wrapped up his card. And he was like, okay, you're going to be exempt at least on the cornfairy tour next year. A couple weeks later, he's going to the show. Like you said, man, what a easy guy to root for. Also, so fun watching him play.
Starting point is 00:55:09 I like it for a couple reasons. One, he's got the homegrown swing. It's not a lot of technique. He plays like a golfer as opposed to a robot and be fast. Right. fast, which is like Riley Moss fast. Yeah, I mean, let's be honest.
Starting point is 00:55:20 Tone it down a little. It ain't that fast. No, but I'm excited to watch him out on the PGA Tour next year. He's good and he's so nice. He's going to have a lot of fans out there. But let's get to a little football this week. PJ Tour is off. Salis, I'm giving you a game every single week on here.
Starting point is 00:55:35 I've lost one. I've lost one. It's been good. I'm not saying I'm doing great when I actually do out and bet him, but on here, I'm rolling right now. And I'm going to, I've been in the NFL every single time. I'm going to stick with it. Mainly because
Starting point is 00:55:51 I think this squad's going to rally around this guy because he's incredible. He gave an amazing interview with Amanda Ballionis last week. Before and after, he led the Cleveland Browns to victory. The Browns got the Chargers. And they're catching, I believe, two points. So give me James Winston, the Cleveland Browns,
Starting point is 00:56:09 plus two, just because I love the guy. Yeah, how do you not love it? He's the best interview in sports. He's great, the best pump-up speech. He's given the greatest ever post-game E to W. shout out Amanda Ballionis for getting him to come out of his shell a little bit. You know what I mean? He's normally a hard guy to get going and she did it.
Starting point is 00:56:24 The white boy from Detroit. And what do you say about play for the decal on the side? Yeah, it was even like the hype speech early on. He was like, let's play for the name on the front of your jersey. I play for the logo on the helmet. Wait a minute. We don't have a decal, but play for the Browns. He's a beauty.
Starting point is 00:56:40 I love him. Yeah, you don't have a decal. I'm looking for him to win two in a row. I'm betting it. I'm betting it. I'll take anything right now. Go Browns. I'll take anything right now.
Starting point is 00:56:47 I'm so ice cold. My little, my pick last week just barely lost, dude. I had under 52 and a half on Notre Dame Navy. And Notre Dame did it by themselves, basically. I think 51 for them. I turned it on. I was like, oh, that's my game. I pick.
Starting point is 00:57:01 Let me check it out. I mean, it's just a fucking track meat. Just p. 70 yard tub. Oh, kick return. And it's gone. So I lost that, but I'm going back to the well. Can't keep me down.
Starting point is 00:57:10 Shoot or shoot. Duke, who your ponies, just the greasiest, Grease ball dub of all time last week. They're going to Miami. Good program, by the way. But they're getting 20 and a hook at Miami. I feel like this is the game Miami sees like, oh, it's Duke. You don't got to show up, but for Duke coming off a loss and a big game for them,
Starting point is 00:57:31 I'll take them getting almost three tubs in that deal, and it'll probably lose. There you go, go and load it up on it. Maybe try going to NFL. Yeah, I suck at that. Sounds like you're great at college. I suck equally. I actually win some college, but it's NFL. I just like, here you go.
Starting point is 00:57:46 Speaking of the U, kind of a little rough situation there for the fellow that went to the U that now plays for the Chicago Bears, who just decided to have a conversation with some fans maybe on the last play of the game. Not maybe, it was on the last play of the game and about four seconds into the play. Yeah, that's not, it's going to be a rough week, I think for him at meetings. And to be the guy to a do that and then be the guy that tipped it. Yeah. Then it goes back. What a finish.
Starting point is 00:58:09 And the Jane Daniels' hype train just rolls on. I mean, it wasn't even, didn't know if he was going to play. He's hurt. plays through it, guts it out, Hell Mary winner. Things are good. Even though I'm not a Washington Commanders fan, I do like that, Jane Daniels.
Starting point is 00:58:24 He is, he's a player. Yeah, keep him healthy. But what a finish. I was on the couch, just trying to recover from Vegas, about to take a little nap, and then all of a sudden, bam, that tip, hell Mary.
Starting point is 00:58:35 I'm like, oh, my God. And it caused me a fantasy win. Yeah, and I got some text from buddy. He's like, oh, my God. The best thoughts and prayers to the Bears plus one betters on that. Tough scene. Tough scene. I've been there.
Starting point is 00:58:48 All right. Well, I've been there. But I play in the league so I can't bet on shit. Come on, Riley. Let's go get them this week. I can't bet anymore. Take all this with a grain of salt because I'm in the league. All right. Well, thanks to Brayden Thornberry for joining us. That one was a lot of fun. That's going to do it for us.
Starting point is 00:59:00 We'll talk to you on next week's subpar.

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