Subpar - Brian Zeigler Interview: Getting the call to caddy for Bryson, his first Ryder Cup experience

Episode Date: October 19, 2021

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, PGA Tour caddy Brian Zeigler joins former PGA Tour pro Colt Knost and jicky jack legend Drew Stoltz for an exclusive interview. The man on the bag of Bryson DeChambeau talks shadowing Tim Tucker before making the switch, struggling with the flagstick during his first Ryder Cup experience, and what it was like quarantining with Bryson.

Hello world. Welcome to another week of golf subpar, Colt Nost and Drew Stoltz coming at you. Slees, what an exciting golf tournament we had up in Las Vegas, the CJ Cup out at the summit. Roy McRoy picks up his 20th, PGA Tour win. Yeah, 128 on the weekend. Typically not a bad way to get it done there. Would I love to see the front nine on the coverage.

We could talk about that in a little bit there, but we didn't get to see a ton of it. But Rory looked like, I mean, especially on the weekend, looked like the Rory we've been waiting to see for front. It's the guy you expect. You're just hitting hammers off the tee. Nice little smooth, what, 177 ball speed with a three wood over and over? Yeah, carried 320 yards, but he was ended up number two in strokes gained off the

T for the week, number one in putting, which does not happen very often for him, but 25 under with a triple with a triple on 17 day one, still shot a 68. He was hitting like 164 ball speed with his hybrid, but I thought he looked great on the green. It just looked like, you know, there was no technique involved. He was just hitting shots when he gave us. interviews after the round, he started talking about, like, look, I got away from what I do, and I started getting a little more technical. I started trying to be somebody else, which I found

shocking, because I think if you took a poll of all the PJ tour players, like, who's the guy that you look at and be like, man, I'd like to be able to do that. It'd be Roy McRoy, and then there he is trying to, you know, do something else. But, you know, are we going to start seeing Rory win three, four, five times a year like we have in the past? Maybe. It's been a while, but, I mean, if he goes out there and puts it the way he did this past week, damn, I mean, becomes a really, really hard guy to beat. Yeah, hasn't won a major in seven years looking to end that streak this coming season. But it's good to see him back in the winter circle.

He put on a show, you know, I think a lot of people might have criticized the scores a little bit for how low they were around the summit. I said going in, this place, they're going to torch it. It's not built for a PGA tour event. That's one thing I don't think people understand is this is a Discoveryland property that is made for their members to have a good time on. Not to try to test the best players in the world. Especially set up at a par 72. That was what surprised I thought they'd move it to a par 70. all right, cool. You knock off eight and all of a sudden, 17 under wins. It's like, oh, yeah,

that's fairly normal. But yeah, these are, like you said, Discoveryland properties are set up for comfort stations, good times, member guests, go out with your boys, and you give them a Sunday like they had with no win. They actually got a little bit of win the first couple of days, at least enough to, you know, play a little bit of tricks on them. But that's what you're going to get, dude. I mean, it seemed like there was a 10 under every single round. I mean, Borey shooting it, a bunch of guys shooting it. Taylor Gooch in the final round, too, with a nice little hole out there on 18. It made him some money. But yeah, I mean, 25 under. You get him on a resort golf course with no wind on the weekend, more or less. Perfect, perfect, perfect greens. And that's what they're

going to do. And now Rory's a lifetime member on the PJ Tour once he plays his 15th season. 23, 24. He'll be in there. So that's nice. He doesn't have to worry about going down to the Corn Ferry Tour. That's got to be a huge relief for him. Yeah, but I know we were rooting hard to pick up another win for golf subpar with our guy, Ricky Fowler, held a two-shot lead through three 54 holes. Final round one under par 71 to end up finishing tied for third. Just didn't quite have it on Sunday. But listen, it was a step in the right direction. I think he's got to take a lot of positives away from this week. Yeah, mostly I thought the final round was with the putter. He just didn't seem to hold the putts. It wasn't great all week, but he was hitting it so good. The thing that

I took away most from Rick, and I think he's had a big problem with in the last year or so is the driver. You just can't beat these guys. You're not going to beat Roy McRoy, John Romney, these guys. If you're not driving it long and straight, and he drove it really, really, really. well yesterday 12 and 14 fairways i think at least one of his miss fairways was with a three wood but i mean both hitting rockets out there 350 even the whole he made double on on six three 50 in the middle of fairway ended up making a seven from there but like if he can continue that form driving it that way he can't contend and he can win again he's going to win again because you just can't do it driving it short and crooked or shorter and crooked you got to be able to hit it out there with those guys and

he did it he did it yesterday i thought it was a big positive for ricky even though he didn't get it done Yeah, it's just, it's funny to look back at his career. I mean, you know, he's held the 54-hole lead several times. I think it's eight in his career, and he's never once broken 70. And we're at a golf course where the field's averaging just above 68. You know, you got to go low. That was a pretty disappointing round, I thought for him yesterday. Listen, hopefully he builds on it.

He's been struggling. He's felt a 128th in the world. Now he's up to 82nd. So trending in the right direction, trying to get in that top 50 so he can be back at Augusta National. But listen, Roy McElroy, that's what we expect. he's back in the top 10 in the world. It's hard to believe he ever left the top 10 in the world with his game. But I think both of these guys are set up for a big 20-22.

I thought Ricky Fowler, I'll be interested to get your take on this. Just watching him yesterday, I know he's done a lot of work on his golf swing and things like that. But if you rewind it back in the past when he was probably playing his best golf, played from a pretty late-off position, right? And I thought yesterday he does that little rehearsal where he gets it halfway back and it's online with his feet and his target and all that. But at the top, I felt like it was more laid off than I saw him even late last year when he wasn't playing his best golf.

And I think he's just a guy that maybe plays best from that position. And if he can just go back to doing what he does and maybe not get so caught up in the technique, just the same way Roy McRoy said he did, I think he just let him do what he does. Because he's been the best guy, you know, one of the best players in the world from the time he was, you know, a kid all the way up until just recently. I think he just needs to get back to erasing that brain and hitting golf shots. But if he had that driver the way he did this past week, he's got a big year coming. Yeah, he was number one in strokes gained off the T. I believe number third in strokes gained approach, led the field in greens and regulation.

only missed nine greens all week. So that's, and that's the big thing we need to see. We need to see his ball striking turnaround. When the putter gets going, it's got one of the best putting strokes in the world. When the putter gets going, he's going to contend.

And I'm looking for him to keep this thing rolling into Japan this week and see what happens. But, so what a guest we have this week. Yes. One of the most interesting men in golf, Bryson DeShambo. We've had his former caddy,

Tim Tucker on. Now we have his current caddy, Brian Ziegler joining us, who used to work at Whisper Rock, then was one of the pros over, at Dallas National befriended Bryson and now he's carrying his bag he's been all over the place Florida Michigan Wyoming and yeah he just you know linked up with Chris Como at one point started berating him with text trying to get involved doing anything he can to help and boom fast forward a few

years and now he's on the bag for Bryson to Shambos so we do a deep dive in here we had Tim Tucker before talked about what it was like working with Bryson and then now we get kind of the new look and by the way just thrown into the fire right away just all of a sudden bam hey you're the caddy and waiting nope you're the caddy and here comes some big time of it's his first events the open ship. You know, he's got the split with Tim Tucker. He's got the Brooks Kepka beef. WGC's playoffs, yeah. I believe his sixth event as a caddy was the Rider Cup. Yeah. Pretty, pretty cool story for Brian Ziegler. But before we get to him, did you know, major champions John Rom and Phil Mickelson both play the Callaway ChromeSoft X?

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All right, this man with us here today has had a hell of a year. He went from teaching pro to caddy and waiting to full-time caddy to full-blown internet meme all in the span of a few short months. He is the bag man for Bryson DeShambo. Brian Ziegler, welcome aboard, brother. what's up thanks for having me good to be with you bro thanks for joining us congratulations on all this success brian this has been really cool to watch but we want to get to know we know a lot about bryson which we're going to get to but we got to find out a little bit about you before let's tell

us a little bit about your golfing background when did you get started you know was their dreams of playing professionally or anything uh no i started playing at like 10 i was you know never really that great through high school like i was okay i was decent but i didn't didn't try to play in college, went to Arizona State, did the PGM program there, started working at Whisper Rock when I was in school and kind of worked my way up through the golf business that way. So, but no, no aspirations for playing early on. And, you know, I'm a decent player. I'm probably like a plus two handicap, but I'm not, you know, a plus six or seven to where

I had a chance to play golf. Yeah, so the golf world is getting to know you now as Bryce's caddy, clearly. But, like, I know you from way back at Whisper Rock. You were busting balls on the range, caddying for all the nits. wit's out there. Give us a rundown of how you went from that to being on the bag for one of the best players in the world because that took some time. Yeah, it definitely took some time. I was at Whisper Rock in 9, 10, 11, I think were the years that I was there when I was at school. And then kind of just bounced around the country as an assistant for the next four or five years. And right when I left

Whisper Rock, I started doing a lot more teaching in my roles. And I wanted to eventually get into full-time teaching. And then I ended up in Florida working for a guy named Tom Dyer at Old Marsh, great, great pro, really, really big into teaching, taught a couple hundred hours one year when I was there with him. And that's actually where I meant Chris Como, a guy named John Graham, and a couple other teachers. And then I was getting a little bit burnout on being an assistant and folding shirts and doing all that stuff. And like all my time in my, eight-year career before that time. 14 out of my 15 favorite days were all teaching-related things.

And I said that to my boss at the end of the year. I'm like, I think I want to go into full-time teaching. He's like, I could have told you that after you're working here for a month. And I had been working there for a year at the time. I'm like, oh, great, thanks. So I ended up just through a guy named Bobby Pancratz at PXG, knew Jim McLean really well. And he's like, Jim told me he was looking for an assistant.

Would you be interested in the job? like interviewing for the job and I said yeah no problem so I sent a resume to Jim and 20 minutes later my phone starts ringing with a Miami number and I'm like I pick it up I'm like hello he's like hey it's Jim McLean here I'm like yeah okay no problem and then like my phone kind of cut out I don't we just lost service and he calls me right back and like I started getting interviewed 20 minutes after I sent him my resume so that kind of got me into as his assistant and I worked for him for a year and then I took a job director of instruction up in Wyoming And this whole time, I had known Chris prior to taking the job for gym and knew I wanted to work for him and get with him.

So after that summer in Wyoming, I started working full time at Dallas National. I did one more summer in Wyoming, but I was at Dallas National for three years with Chris. What was it about Chris Como that made you want to work under him? He's the most interesting man in the world. Like who wouldn't want to work under him? I really enjoyed my time watching other. teachers I watched when I was old Marsh I watched John Beer can teach a lot I watched Tom teach quite a bit and I really liked that part of it and then working

for Jim I mean I shadowed him for 500 hours as his assistant we probably did 500 hours of just talking about golf in the you know 10 months that I worked for him and then when I got to know Chris a little bit I was like man he just does things so different and they always seem to work out really well and I like I'd I'd like to learn that. I always thought it was a really smart guy and took a very interesting path into teaching. And I'm like, that's really cool. I like that. It's not traditional where, you know, you read all these books, you take the information you got from the books and you regurgitate it. It's like, he's a big absorber of information. And like Bryce is a lot like this too,

where like he hears a lot of stuff and listens to a lot of stuff, but then makes his own connections and then spits it out at somebody. And I'm like, man, that's really cool. So I like, even in the three years that I worked for him and, you know, the hundreds of hours that I watched him teach, I felt like I never watched the same lesson work for Chris. It was like, it was just so off the wall and like, so cool to see and like how he got everything to fit together and how a lot of it just is based off how people can actually move and the physical things that they can actually do. So that was one of the, you know, that was the big reason I wanted to work for him because I just, he was one of the best teachers I'd ever seen at the time. So still is.

were you working with Chris when he was working with Tiger? Did you get to sit in on any of that? No, no. So when I met Chris, he was working with Tiger. And that was kind of one of the ways that I got in with Chris was I just kept bugging him. Like, is there anything I can do for you? Can I help you out with anything? And then, you know, one day he texts me. He's like, can you do stats for Tiger X, Y, Z on driving? Like, sure. So I spent like four hours and I put like two or three spreadsheets together. And I emailed it to him. And I didn't hear back from him for like a day or two. And he texts me, he goes, oh, I just want to. wanted to know what he was ranked in 13 driving. I was like, okay, no problem. Thanks. Appreciate it. Yeah, so, but it was cool. Like, so it was like, you know, one of the reasons why I really like working for Chris is there wasn't much structure to it.

And he let me really grow on my own and like, he'd be like, look at this type of stuff, come to a conclusion. And that made me be better as a teacher and as a forward thinker and as a critical thinker. And I think that's where really good golf instructors are really good critical thinkers. And I think, you know, really good players can be critical thinkers as well. Like Phil Mickelson really comes to mind. Tiger, you know, very analytical. Bryson's very analytical. Those are the, a lot of the people that I see really get to the top are those types of mindsets.

And I've always kind of been that analytical thinker as well. So I gravitated towards that really easily. Was the first time you met Bryson with Chris Como or did you know him from before? No, that was the, I think I met him on the range. It was even before they were officially working together. I meant Bryson just at Dallas National because he practices out there a bunch. And, you know, as a new teacher, I don't have any clients. Day one, working at Dallas National.

So for like the first month or two, I did a lot of walking the range and like just watching guys hit golf balls. And I was like, I just asked him. I said, hey, can I record your swing? You know, can you hit a couple shots? I can just have some video for my database so I could study some stuff. He goes, yeah, no problem. And like everybody at Dallas National was great with that. Like Carlos Ortiz, I got a bunch of his swings and stuff.

So that was when I first met him. And then I think it was November, December, or January sometime in that, where they started really working together officially. So that was then I got to be just in the circle of things and got to know Bryson a lot better that way. What was your first impression of Bryson when you met him before he started working together? He has just like you do, Drew, he has the gift of gab. So he can really talk and he gets like he gets really deep into subjects.

So when he's working on something, he's going to tell you what he's working on. And he's going to tell you everything of how he's working on it. And I just, so we talked about a lot of subjects like that. And that's kind of like, you know, we'll do that with anything. Like, you know, you had a 30 minute discussion about UFOs with them. And, like, I've been in that discussion, too, and it's really cool. So, like, that's, that's, yeah, I was like doing intro to Bryson. Well, that's incredible.

Both very smart. Yeah, you go from, but you go from, obviously, watching him hit golf balls to them being in the inner circle. At what point did possibly cadding for him come up? Let's see. So that was 18, October of 18 when I met him. right around I think it was like end of 20

where actually sorry I can tell you the first time we were walking down the fairway the 13th fairway at Harding Park PJ Championship 2020 and Tim's kind of walking out in front of us and like Tim had like

some knee issues going on at the time and he was kind of limping a little bit and Bryson looked at me he goes would you ever caddy for me I was like, like, you mean if like Tim went down or anything? He's like, yeah. I'm like, yeah, sure. Like, I could step in.

He's like, because you're the only person who's ever at any of my events or anything I've ever seen like shadow a caddy because I used to, when I would go to events with Chris and Bryson, I would always Monday go walk the course with Tim because I always thought that was really interesting. And I just wanted to learn, you know, I'm at no point in my mind that I think it would lead to anything. But I just wanted to learn like, okay, what does he? looking at on the golf course. How is he trying to figure out how Bryson's going to play it?

And, you know, what will we do different strategy-wise? So that's always fun. And as you guys know, like, Tim's awesome, like world-class guy. Like, I just liked hanging out with Tim. So he asked me and I said, yeah, like on an interim basis, like, sure, like if, you know, something happened to Tim for a tournament or something, I'd love to do it. He's like, okay. And then I didn't hear anything about it for like six or seven months. And then we were talking, we were doing some shoot for the Olympics and he looks at me he goes do you want a caddy for me in Australia and I'm like yeah like just you know why Australia is like well Tim's got a conflict of things it's kind of like in the middle of the off season and you know I'm like yeah like that'd be awesome that'd be way cool so like

I just thought it was like a one-off thing and then he's like well he's like you know Tim's got some some health issues with his knees and he's you know venturing into these other activities in his life and entrepreneurship type stuff. And he's like, he's probably going to retire at some point in time in the next year or two. Would you be interested in the job? And I was like, I don't really know. Like, I've never really liked cadding for members. So like, am I actually going to like my job?

And I love teaching. And like, I was like, I found teaching to be really interesting. And it was fun to continue to learn and get better as a teacher. So I was like, man, I don't really know if I'm going to. like the job and he's like you're going to make a lot more money i was like yeah but like i'm pretty comfortable as is right now if i don't like the job like i'm not going to want to do it you're not going to want me on the bag it's not going to be a good relationship and then i kind of like i thought about it for probably like two months or so we're like okay if he asked me to do it would i do it

and i was like you know i got to do it right like from a career as a teacher standpoint it's like okay i'm going to be inside the ropes with a top five player in the world and a guy who's who just over the last year and a half has gained all this distance, and he's playing a different type of game. He's playing, you know, chess. And I'm like, how can I pass up an opportunity to just be around this? And I like being around them. Like, we became really good friends over these three years.

So it was like I liked just being around him hanging out. So I told him in April, maybe, somewhere in that range. I was like, listen, when it's time, I will, I'm full in. Like, you just let me know and I'll do it. So I had ended up shadowing Tim at two more events where I went out and was actively not just like shadowing what he was doing, but like training and getting into the real specifics of everything that they do from tournament preparation, pre-round preparation on the

golf course stuff. And then I caddied for him for nine holes in a pro am just to kind of get used to like what that flow was like and thinking that it was going to be like an end of the year type thing or a year and a half from that type thing. So I was going to get, we had planned out, I think, me going to three more events that summer and then whatever I would need to do the next year if he ended up staying another year and a half. And then I was in Texas at the LPGA event and I just got a new phone and my phone didn't work. So apparently Wednesday night of Rocket Mortgage, Bryson, like, after they had split,

was trying to call me and couldn't get a hold of me and nobody could. And then the next day, I looked at my phone and got a text message from his agent at like noon. And he's like, hey, are you okay? I'm like, yeah, I'm fine. He's like, oh, did you hear the news? I was like, what news are you talking about? He's like, have you not looked at the PGA tour app? I was like, no.

And he's like, oh. And then that whole thing, he was just like, yeah, he's like, He's like, you're the list. He goes, you're ready to go. And I said, you got it. So, which is great. Yeah. So that was it.

And boom. I think it's fascinating. Like, I mean, to learn that, you know, you took some time to actually think about it. I think most people would be like, oh, my God, you probably jumped off your couch and said, hell, yeah, when and where, and I'll be there. But you actually took a lot of time. And, I mean, that's really, really cool. But I want to go back to the part of you shadowing Tim because that's not normal.

I mean, what Bryson does is obviously very. unique in the game of golf. But like most guys don't go follow other caddies around and try to learn from them. What was the process like trying to learn everything Bryson wants from a caddy and how long until you felt comfortable with all the information? I still am not comfortable with all the information. Never. Yeah, yeah. I would say the process stuff of pre-tournament and why we do it probably was through like the beginning of the playoffs right like actually felt comfortable what we were doing shadowing tim you know tim is very tim's very smart very like to the point here's why we do x y z and that was a huge help for me i mean i got i still look at my notes

that i have in my phone from when tim and i spent two days of just going over here's what we do at five minutes in here's what we do it 10 minutes and here's what we do a 15 minutes and here's the putting stuff, here's the wedge stuff. And it's like, I'm, as I was receiving that information for him and writing it down, I was like, I can't process any of this. I'm like, I don't understand what you're saying, but I'm just going to put it all into this so then I can go back and refer to it. So especially with like the putting stuff. So yeah, it took me some time to fully understand why we did things. And then that made it a lot easier to remember how what we need to do and when we need to do it and how we need to do it. But beyond the course stuff, I felt like I was

pretty lost at the Open Championship, like just kind of hoping that I didn't screw up or stand in anybody's way or, you know, do some things that I did. But yeah, no, I think like it probably took two or three tournaments where I felt really comfortable with what we were trying to do. Yeah. And, you know, there's still moments where I'm, I'm, I'm lost. And you were like, real quick. Yeah. Slees, right.

Before you switch gears real quick, I want to go back to the putting thing for his warm-up because, you know, I've been out there at a lot of events doing TV and I've never seen anybody else do what he does on the putting green. Can you give us like a quick breakdown of his putting warm-up? Sure. Starting line, speed, and five-footers. So he hits balls to get the ball to make sure it's rolling good for the day. And then he's taking his stroke, figuring out the speed of the green.

and then he hits a five-foot breaking putt. So he does something called vector putting, which was a book written back in the 60s, and then it's been reworked a little bit since. And so he has an idea of at 20 feet on a stump of XYZ, the ball is going to break XYZ, and he trains to know how far her stroke needs to go to hit a 20-footer. yeah it's unbelievable normal stuff that's how i played how'd you do it do you do it different

that same shit i still do now yeah so so so to this point right so we're on the uh fourth hole at the open championship during a practice round playing with like okay open championship was my first tournament like here we go let's pretty cool so it's it's it's dustin johnson john rome brison and jordan speed we're on the fourth green and it's like this slope in the middle of it's like a 16 it's just it's just you're in a big bowl it's way up and then it's over and back and it's like a 65 foot put and we're guessing you ought to hit it like 110 feet so bryson's like okay it needs to be at this speed so like we hit the put comes off 21.2 miles an hour finishes two feet away from the hole John rom comes walking over

he goes what are you guys doing over here throws a ball down and Bryce is like well if we hit it if if their ball speed is this, it equates to this, and the ball will go to the hole. John's like, okay, and he looks down and he just, he hits the putt and it goes to one foot and he looks down. He goes, I don't know what speed my ball is coming off. He goes, here, drop another one. It's another one.

And he's hitting these speeds like perfect, like exactly how Bryce didn't. I'm like, yeah, you're just really good, John. Just keep doing what you're doing. He's like, yeah. And he looks at Bryce and he goes, I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing. Yeah. Yeah. It's working.

It's working so far. But so, like, I mean, going in, you're about as prepared as you can be. You spent a bunch of time around Bryson. You know his game. You know the vernacular. You spent time shadowing Tim. But you've never been a caddy before. So you step into the mix.

There's got to be some sort of mess ups or something that you butchered along the way. Give us the biggest thing you've messed up since you've been on the back. The biggest thing I've messed up. Your biggest blunder. Yeah. I mean, like I've handed him probably six or seven clubs that weren't clean. Like, come on, that's got to be number one for a caddy, right? Jesus, bro.

I know. I know. And then Northern Trust, I pulled a you actually. I was walking off the first T. I got past the first T box and said, oh, yeah, where's the pin on this hole? Oh, wait. I don't have a pin sheet. That happened. You're going to say you wore golf shoes. See, dude, that happens to even the great. Did you make Bryson run back and get it? Because that's what I told. I was like, dude, you better go get one or else you're going to play like shit. He was about two steps in front of me. And I made it back around to get the pin sheet and got back up to him before he even noticed that I was gone. that speed your speed you got speed though hustling with that bag um we asked this to tim when he was on i want to know if it's changed at all for it's similar but walk us through a shot you walk up bryson his ball in the fairway you set the bag down you're trying to figure out how far to hit at what club to hit walk us through the whole deal yeah so uh you know we get our front of the green yardage and then thin yardage and then we are looking at the elevation looking at the wind all typical stuff

everybody would look at, seeing if, you know, what the air density is for the day. And then how does that relate to what our yardage chart was from earlier in the week? That'll change throughout the week. And then we'll talk through a shot. We get it down to the yard. So we are, you know, if it's a 175 shot and the greens are a little bit firm, we're trying to land this at 171. We're playing it, you know, let's say it's five down win.

We're playing 166. and that's going to be on our yardage chart for today is going to equate to a 10, 30, 50 degree wedge. So we know what all our clubs are going to fly. And then when we get to hitting a little bit different shots, different flights, then we have some minor adjustments that we make. But we're taking all this information. And this is where he finds his piece and things. And I do as well as like, I want all the information that I can get.

He wants all the information that he can get. let's talk about it all and we're coming to a conclusion and we're coming to this point of like, okay, this shot is 162 yard shot. Great. I've made X swing will equate to 162 yard shot and he's very at peace with that. Right. Where some people are like, well, I don't want to hear about the water on the right. I don't want to hear about the wind. I don't want to hear how the green is going to bounce. It's like, I just want to hit the shot. We want all that information. And that's why sometimes early on when like I wasn't really good at like what's the order the information needs to come in we would get we would be a little bit slower because I would be off in the process and he's like

I'm ready to hit I'm like I'm not 100% ready for you to hit and he was so patient when we with that where like I'm telling him I'm not ready and he's the number five player in the world like give me one more second here please and he's like okay no problem and like I think he him helping me out too. I think he enjoyed that. And then that was like something that got his mind a little bit like if we're in a pressure situation, he was there also helping me and getting me better at my job.

And that gave him a calmness to it too. So we're just taking all the information that we can get, try to get it down to a final number and make the swing to hit that number. And then we accept whatever results come out of it. Yeah, it's fascinating stuff which y'all go through over each shot. And one thing Tim said, and I'm interested to hear if you agree with this, He was surprised more PJ tour players don't go through the process, Bryson does.

100%. 100%, especially as a teacher because I knew that I would learn a lot about teaching going through this, but I, in my own game, am very much the same way as like, I want all that information and I'm going to come up with a number. As a teacher, teaching good players, I've learned and seen that some players don't like that. But a lot of the players that I do teach, I help them get more into that process. And I'm very surprised that a lot of PJ tour players don't do that. Like I've seen guys where they don't even interact with their caddy,

just grab a club and hit a shot and keep going. And I'm like, I wouldn't, if that was, this is one of the things that we talked about from the beginning. If that's what my job is going to be, that I'm just there to carry a bag for you and, like, talk about a ball game. Like, I'm not going to enjoy that. And I don't want to be a, like, I don't want a caddy for you if that's the case. From day one, shot number one was like, what should we do here?

We're on the first hole at the Open Championship, and he's having driver issues, the whole, all the practice rounds. And I'm like, I'm like, well, we should hit four iron. He's like, we should, we should hit, I'm like, well, I think we should hit four iron. He's like, I want to hit driver. I was like, okay, well, how am I supposed to interject now, right?

Like, am I supposed to just call him off the very first tee shot that we've ever had? Like, no, we should probably hit four iron. Not have been. Epic. So I was like, no, no problem. Yeah, hit driver. Hit in the right rough, made a bogey. So it's like, it's always been, it's always been, we've had a really good relationship of talking through everything. And that's, that's been awesome.

Zieg, let me ask you this, since you just brought that up, like starting off, I'm sure you're a little skittish, you're getting to know everything. It takes you a little bit of time. Are you to the point now, like, secure enough in your job to where if he wants to do something and you don't agree with it or don't believe in it, you'll call him off and be like, no, dude, like, that's not it. Um, it's, we talk through every shot. Like, you would talk through it. to where like maybe I've called him all shots and not even known that I've called him all shots, but that makes sense. We're like, he, he's never, he never comes to me and is like, you know, this is, we're going to hit this shot here.

It's always like, okay, well, let's talk about everything that comes out of it. So we're putting all this stuff into an equation and then figuring out what is the best shot. You know, I called him off one shot one time when the wind picked up and he hit it in the bunker. and it was we happened to have the lead in the tournament at the time when we did it and he kind of like looked at me like man you've never called me off a shot before I was like yeah but like man the wind kicked up and changed directions like 10 miles an hour the caves valley on the sixth hole where this that whole area was just swirling and every day the wind was pushing down and out of the left and we tried to play a draw into it every day and we missed the pin right well now if we thought it was

going to be coming that same direction and then I feel it come in hard in out of the right and we're trying to play a draw to a front left pin and you're dead if you miss it left. So I just like called him off the shot real quick just to like have him reset and then he hit a bad, you know, he'd not that he hit a bad shot, but he just, he left it in the bunker and, you know, that was the only time I've ever actually called him off a shot when he was already past the routine where we talk about the shot. So just one time. Way to go. He blew it. I think the one thing, he made bar. I think the one is so much different than what anybody else does, it's like, you know, it can be, it can be rather warm out, it can be hot out, you know, there's some helping wind where a lot of players you hear, you know, we have 155, it's hot, it's downwind, it's probably playing around 148. Like, y'all come up with the exact number.

Like, there's no guessing. And I think that's what's so fascinating about what y'all do. Yeah, yeah. We, you know, again, it's like, well, the way his brain works and the way mine works, the more precise that we can get with something, the more committed we're going to get to it. And then we're just going to make the best swing from there. Like we're wrong. Like we get,

we get numbers wrong. But he's always making a swing committed to whatever number we've decided on, which is all you can ask for as a caddy from a player is that you commit to the shot. I mean, I can't remember one, you know, maybe one occasion where he's like, oh, yeah,

he's like, we came up with this, but I wasn't really too sure about it. Like maybe one time in six tournaments. So, you know, I, I love that as a caddy and as a coach, right, as a teacher where, like, your student or my player is 100% committed to whatever the shot shape they want to, a shot that they want to have. That's when you're going to have your most optimal shots.

They're not always going to be perfect, but like that's when you have the ability to hit these perfect shots. Yeah, and Zieg, you come in, you not only have to learn of all Bryson's stuff and what order he likes it in and all that type of stuff, right? Then you've got to learn how to be a caddy, which you've never really. really catty before. He's got to learn all that goes with that. But not, you also come into the mix right at the peak of the brooksy mayhem with the fans yelling at that Bryce, you know, why he's hitting and stuff. Have you had any instances this year where you've had to step in and

and regulate a little bit? Flex those, those bicep tattoos on some folks. Yeah, yeah. I mean, just like turning and looking at players or people and like, you know, quiet, please. And, um, you know, I can tell, I can sense when things have disturbed him or so like, that's when I'll, you know, turn and look at somebody, but it's all the time, and it was all the time. So it's not that, it's not that it was ever really quiet when he was hitting golf shots. So the little bit of noise, you know, it was all right. You know, we were okay with that. We were accepting of it because that's, that's all I've known. And that's all he's been experiencing for the last six months or so. Where it really started to bother him more and what people don't get is like we were playing

with John Rahman and Patrick Cantlay on Saturday. Yeah, Saturday at Kay's Valley. Yeah, Saturday at Kay's Valley. There was a six-hole stretch where I don't think John or Patrick hit a shot when people weren't yelling or moving around. And like, nobody wants to win under the situation where, like, the fans are interfering with the golfer, right? You don't want to beat somebody because somebody yelled in their back

swing and they hit a bad shot. But through the first five or six holes, everybody was yelling. And, you know, Patrick and John and Bryson were all stepping off of shots. And then by the time the seventh hole comes around and there's 10,000 people around the hole, I mean, I just watched John just get up and just hit a shot when people are right after Bryson hit and people are like walking and yelling Brooksie and he just hits a shot because you can't, can't just keep waiting. So more of the disturbing of everybody and the direction of there's going to start being alive. betting at golf events like waste management's the first one with live betting like good luck you you don't think somebody that's got $10,000 on the line isn't going to throw a beer can at a golfer

100% something like that's going to happen so I think it was great with the statement that the bj tour came out with because you have to set some type of precedent going forward when live betting gets into this and and that's where bryson being as analytical and smart as he is he's like he's like yes it it bothers me he goes but like dude like does it really really? really bother me that much, not really. But I'm looking at what, what is happening on the whole the whole aspect of the tour? What's it going to be like when there is sports live betting everywhere? So, you know, he had a lot of that running through his mind. And that bothered him more than almost, you know, some drunk fan screaming Brooksie. Yeah, I didn't, you know, I kind of forgot,

like, you came in in the middle of all of it. I mean, you got M. Tim splitting, the Brooks thing. Oh, great. Now we got to go team up at the Ryder Cup with Brooks together. Like, yeah. I know we're going to I want to talk about the Rider Cup because Sleason over there. It was our first Rider Cup. Was it your first Rider Cup? I'm guessing it. I know it was your first one to Caddy, obviously. But first one to ever be at?

First one to ever be at. I mean, what was that week like for you? I mean, because there, I mean, the fans really embraced Bryson and got behind him. There was, you didn't really hear Brooksie at all that week, obviously, because they're on the same team. But take us a little bit through that week. What was it like for you? Yeah.

So we did a team practice like two weeks before that, maybe 10 days before we flew out there. and we flew out with Jordan, Scotty Sheffler, and then Scotty McGuinness, who's Scotty's caddy and Bryson. And I was just on the plane, and I looked at Scotty McGinnis because it was his first Rider Cup too and Scotty Schaeffler, and I was like, I think that we might be the three most excited people to go to the Rider Cup. Because as a player, most of the players are coming off of the end of the playoffs,

and they're kind of tired and all that. but like, I mean, I had more energy for those 20 days than I did the whole season. Like, I was so pumped. I love everything about the Ryder Cup. It's probably my favorite event outside the Masters as a golf fan to watch. And now, like, I get to be a part of it. It's so cool. And so we went and we did the two-day practice round, which was really, which was a ton of fun.

Scotty and Bryson really hit it off. Bryson really wanted to play with Scotty. Scotty really wanted to play with Bryson, and they embraced that, which was awesome. And then when we got to the Ryder Cup, you know, it's, it's, we walk the golf course and walk the golf course and walk the golf course and play practice rounds and like,

we're all amped up, we're all ready to do this. And then we sit the first match. And I'm like, oh, man. And Scotty and Bryson played alternate shot for, you know, and they shot like seven or eight under. And I'm like, man, these two, like, how, how do you not want to take, how do you not want to take somebody who gives great wedge players and iron players like a 40, 50 yard advantage? So, and, but like, I know there's a lot that goes into selecting who plays

when and where. And, you know, it was totally fine. Obviously, we kicked major ass. So that's, that's all that really matter. We did, we did it right. Stricted. Stricted it. right. So that whole week was so cool. Like being out on the first team and all the groups were teeing off and the morning waves was awesome and just feeling the environment out there was really cool. Yeah, it was it was really, really special and something I'll never forget. And I talked to Jimmy Johnson after we won and he's like, man, he's like, he's like, you can win any event you want. He goes, this is it right here winning the Ryder Cup. He goes, this is the best. then I'm like, yeah, that's right.

Let's go. That's awesome. And like, I mean, I have to be the most spoiled caddy there is, right? My first event's the Open Championship. We're final group at WGC. I have three playoff events where we finish, you know, we have an epic playoff. And then the Ryder Cup. Like, I'm going to go to the tournament of champions and be like, wow, this is so boring.

Hawaii sucks. What is this? Hawaii's terrible. So, you know, it's, you know, it's, it's awesome. Like, I, I, it's, it's an unbelievable, it's been an unbelievable experience so far, and I'm really excited to do it for as long as I can do it for. The coolest moment I think, Zieg, that I was present for was the final day singles match. First, he, y'all, playing Sergio.

And I'd watched the first couple groups hit and they were getting it up to the front edge and stuff like that. And here comes Bryson in the next group. I'm like, dude, this is probably like an off speed driver. He has plenty of gas, but just Willie hit the green was the question. And then you guys stood up there, lands off like on the front fringe and trickles on. The place went nuts. Like as loud as I've ever heard it on a golf course before. When he gave you the club back and you guys started walking, like, what was that conversation?

That was the cool. I was like, I'll never forget that shot till as long as I live. Yeah. So, I mean, I got LASIC eye surgery and I still can't see a ball landing 370 yards away. So, like, I follow a ball for a pretty long time and then it's gone. right? And his ball hangs in the air for like eight, nine seconds. So he hits the shot and the ball's in the air and like, I got the bag on my shoulder and we've taken two steps already. And then all of a sudden the crowd just erupts. And we look

over to our left and there's a big screen and we look at it and we see the ball land and roll up on the green. And he's probably two or three steps in front of me. So this is before you even got off the first T-box. And I'm like, Bryson, Bryson, you need your putter like right in front of Sergio. And he like, you grabs his putter. it up in the air and like, oh, it's so cool. It's so cool. Because like, I mean, Sergio is like the villain for Europe. Like super nice guy. He was awesome. But like he's the guy that you just want to beat as an American as Sergio. He's got, I think he's played the record number of matches in the, in a Ryder Cup. And like he's, he's got, he's like, he's the defeater of us. Right. So it's like,

it was cool to be playing against him. And like, and then he drops the 40 footer. And it's like, oh my gosh this is so cool um so yeah it was awesome because like the team stuff is great like scotty and brison played awesome like i mean colt you've probably played the scotty a hundred times like you know how good he is at golf i don't think the world actually understands how good scotty is at golf and that was like a huge coming out party for scotty and it was awesome and so having the team stuff with, yeah, having the team stuff was really cool because, you know, we're going through talking about different win numbers and different shots and like, and as a caddy, you never sit there with another caddy and talk with you about your player's shot or another player's shot.

So like talking with Scotty McGinnis about like, what did you guys play for win? What were you thinking here, you know, with how your ball reacted? Like, that was really cool to like dive into how does another caddy actually caddy? Because my exposure to caddies is Tim. and then a little bit of just like chatting with the guys now that I've had experiences with. But now I'm actually in it like listening to Scotty's conversation with Scotty about how they're going to hit a shot and like, oh, that's a cool way to do it. And like, you know, little things like writing all the different stuff in the book

after you hit each shot, like where was the wind direction coming from, where did it fly, all this and that. So like I was constantly there trying to learn too. When we got to singles and it was one-on-one, like that was when I was like, man, this is really, really strong. long like this is really cool landing on the green and then making that putt i think i was like i think i said the biggest yeah after he made that put on number one just like with the flag in my hand and i was pumped so it was really like the whole thing just what an unbelievable experience and i got this i don't

know if you know oh yeah oh yeah i may i may have taken this there's there's 12 of these i think out there um and these were one of the bottles i got popped after we won the rider Cup and it's made its way to Plano, Texas. That's going to be there for a long time. That's a nice momentum. Yeah, yeah. Brian, let me ask you this because that week, I mean, like I said, the crowd got behind him.

Bryson did everything right. You know, he was out there pumping the crowd up and everything. Do you think we might see a different Bryson on the golf course going forward? Because, you know, he's been criticized with how he's handled some things in the past. But at the Ryder Cup, everything was great. Do you think maybe that might have, like, opened his eyes a little bit? me like, man, this is really fun being like this way and being where everybody supports me. It's so interesting because I feel like the way he was at the Rider Cup is how he is a lot of the time when he's playing well.

Right. Like if you're if you're not playing well, like you know this is Colt and Drew as a player. Like if you're not playing well, like you don't want to interact with fans. You don't want to sit there and like be lively and everything when he's when he's playing good. And he does that stuff all the time. I mean, you know how many times like I've handed him a four iron in the crowd booze. and then he just turned around and goes, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, let me hear the booze or like, I'll fake him out, like I'll fake hand in the four iron, he'll pull the driver out,

the crowd goes crazy. So he likes that interaction a lot of the time. I mean, so I would say that the, you know, like a negative moment overshadows a hundred positive moments. So I think, I think just with kind of like some of the negative moments that we had, which like him and Tim splitting wasn't even a negative moment and it just gets viewed in this world is like, oh my gosh, this huge thing happened. It's like, okay, well, I mean, we knew this was going to happen at some point in time. There's somebody in training to do it. That doesn't

usually happen in the caddy world, right? It's like you don't have somebody in waiting to do this job that's not, you know, so it's that that wasn't even a negative, but it's viewed as a negative. And then the dry wrist situation, the open championship, you know, is what it is. We're, you know, we moved on from it. I thought him playing really well at WGC brought a lot of, it stopped this, right? So I was nervous that there would be a lot of questions of like, oh, he's got a new caddy and he's not playing well, right? So that was, that was like my concern. So our second tournament out, we're in the final group on Sunday. So I was like, okay, well, all those concerns about him not being the greatest golfer on the planet are gone because he's, he's the most talented golfer in

the world. And so, you know, that, that brought a big ease to my mind about like, okay, I can do this role. The world's not going to think that him making a caddy changes this huge change. And he's, he's moving in a great direction on an awesome trajectory because he's been playing great golf. So I don't know if I answered your question, but, you know, my guy's the best. Yeah. My guy is the best in the world. If I need to say that again. Yeah, we got the answer plus. Yeah, and I think a lot of other players have taken note. They're like, listen, if Bryson drives it well, it's really, really hard for us to beat him.

I was with y'all at that WGC and Memphis on Saturday when you shot 63. And I don't even know, I'm sure you know this, but I took a little note and I said he hit five iron, I believe, into the third hole of par five. And other than that, he never hit more than nine iron into any green. So he had 17, nine irons or less and shot the easiest 63 I've ever seen. And I'm just like, guys, y'all want to beat this guy? have to do something special, kind of like Patrick Cantley did, where he made over 530 foot of putts. It's the only way to beat him if he drives it the way he can. Yeah, 100%. I mean, you take what happened at Kay's Valley, because it's a perfect example of it. Patrick Cantley broke the

record for strokes game putting since 2004 when they had that, you know, starting as a stat. So it took a guy to have the best putting week of his career, statistically of the last 17 years, to tie us to go into a playoff. And we missed some shots coming down the stretch. And so it's like it was, it sucked not to win. But we, we processed and moved on from it, right? So I learned a lot in those moments. He learned a lot in those moments. The biggest moment was when, for me, when we're in the fourth playoff hole and he hits the ball in the water. And he's walking down the fairway. And, like, obviously he's pissed.

He's like, man, I just lost this tournament. And I could just see like, he's like, man, I'm so mad. And I looked at him and I said, listen, you need to hit a golf shot. We need to get it up and down. And we need to beat him on the next hole. He goes, you're right. You're right. And just got out of it, hits it to three feet.

We par, go to the next hole. And then, you know, we missed like a, or we made a two on the hole after that. And then, you know, so it was just, it was. it was tough to be a part of because to me that whole Sunday, not that I was anticipating, not that I was expecting us to win, but it felt like we were going to win the whole time. And then we didn't win.

And it was like, it was a letdown in that way. Not that we were like, oh yeah, we're going to win this golf tournament. It was like, man, everything seems like it's moving in our direction to win because like,

I mean, Patrick put it unbelievably good. And like, after the round, I'm going back through it. I'm like, man, since like the 13th hole, that guy made every single putt. I think he took eight puts in his last seven holes.

So it's like that's what it took for him to get to 27 under for us. And we felt like we played like a, you know, we played as an A throughout the whole week. And then, you know, we played like a B plus on Sunday. It's like, man, if we have our A game on Sunday, we win the tournament by five. And we shoot 32 or 33 under. Yeah. Yeah. Patrick Cantley has a really good putting.

Yeah. Patrick Cantley has a really good putting week. win by six. He had to have a historic putting week to tie you. Yeah, I mean, trust me, talking to the other players out there, they've taken notice. If this man hits it really, really straight, and as far as he's hitting it, we got problems. Yeah. Yeah, 100%. Big problems. And Bryson's always a guy. I liken him to fill a little bit. He's always trying to get better. He's always tinkering, doing something weird, side saddle, you know, the same length irons, gaining all the weight. Is there anything in the works right now that you guys are doing

that's out of the ordinary that you may be unleashing later on? Any tinkering going on? Always tinkering going on. So there's always speed training going on. There's a little smile there. Wow. I will elect to not answer that question. Next question, please.

Oh, my God. What is it? You got a time machine? Are you guys building the time machine? Well, we already have one. We just need to send back the time machine. Oh, that's interesting. I'm on pins and needles now.

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what he has in the works. but one last thing before we get to the emergency nine, I want to know because a lot of hype was made about him heading into Augusta National back in November and how basically, I mean, Jordan Speath on this podcast came out and said, you know, the Masters is Bryson's DeLose. Like this place sets up so perfect for him. Are you a little bit surprised

that he hasn't had more success at Augusta National with the new game he has? Well, I guess so the first time he sees it is in November 2020 with the new game. like full on the new game um yeah i mean i guess a little bit you know col you've played there right you know i haven't playing there in a few weeks sorry sorry that's a nice joke hey you haven't catty there yet either get them in get the shots in i have not i mean drew set me up for that when he said to make sure you mentioned augusta at least one because you're gonna pump that you're

gonna play it in a couple weeks and all that so um that's fine i you know i don't i don't i don't know, right? Like, in theory, it's like, okay, high draw hitters supposed to play well at Augusta. Okay, great. Well, Dustin Johnson hits about a two-yard fade, and he played pretty well at Augusta. You know, I don't know. I don't know why he hasn't had more success there, but I'm really excited to dive into that a little bit more. And maybe it's, you know, maybe this will be the year that he has a lot more success there. The high draw thing at Augusta is the most assonine thing. in my mind. I don't know who started that and why everyone thinks that's true

because the guy who's one of the most green jackets, Jack Nicholas, played a fade. Tiger Woods plays a fade. Dustin Johnson has a scoring record plays a fade. I don't get why they think you have to hook it around this place. Ben Hogan played a fade. I mean, yeah, yeah. I mean, I think there's just a couple T shots that set up really well for it that give you a big advantage. Like if you can get it around on two, if you can get it around

on 13. But I think they push the T-Vox back on 13 was what I heard. And so, yeah, I mean, 10 is another place where you need to draw it. 2.10 and 13. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. But those are pivotal holes, right? I mean, you're talking, you go from having, if you're a high draw hitter, you could have, that hits at the same distance,

you could have three less clubs in the 13 than somebody who's a fader. Because, you know, so, and then, you know, 10's kind of the same way where you can get down and around that corner a little bit easier to where you have maybe two less clubs and then what a fader would have. And two, if you can just let it roast and get around that turn, you don't worry about the right bunker and you're going to get a big bounce down. So you always have an opportunity to go for that green and two. So it's like stuff like that, those little things, that's where not only does Bryson have

a huge advantage hitting it 14 miles further than everybody else, but he has a huge advantage in how he looks at golf courses. Like take like 18 at East Lake, for example, right? So we're talking about, we always have to. look at like, okay, if I could hit the ball 340 yards in the air at 150 feet, how would you play this hole? It's where it's the best. So like, I'm just looking on Google Maps and like kind of looking at like, well, if we go down 10 at East Lake, the hole's about 10 yards shorter, plus we can hit driver as hard as we want because then we don't have risk running out into the

water long. And then for the pin that's tucked right over the bunker and the middle left pin, we have great angles in where we can land 14 short of that right pin, where if you're coming at the pin from the fairway, we can land two yards short. So it's like stuff like that where he gets a huge edge is that he has that extra distance. He has that extra gear, but he's also willing to do that. He's willing to look at like, yeah, well, where do we need to go? He goes, just scout it out. Yeah, so this is where we need to hit this golf ball. If you hit it 330 yards, you're going to get to here. Our only real risk is that if it stays a little right on 10 or on on 10 intense fairway, we're going to have to punch out, but then we have an 80 yard wedge shot. Anything left is good.

He had seven iron onto the green during the second round. We had to punch out during the fourth round, and he had a wedge on and made birdie anyways. So he is so willing to commit to something like that, that it's so much fun. And that's the hardest part of my job is figuring out. And this was a big transition for me was I play golf probably pretty close to the same way you two play golf.

And then now I have to start looking at you. Let's pump the brakes here, Zieg. Just a little, no, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I would say from a distance perspective, a distance perspective in a traditional way of playing the game perspective, we probably all have the same mentality of how we look at things. Now I got a caddy for a guy who has a 20-yard gap in between his clubs, hits the ball 25 feet higher than anybody else, hits the driver 35 yards further than everybody else,

and I need to figure out how am I going to get him to play his best golf? and it made me, I completely rethink, like, how I would do course layout and stuff like that and then and strategy for a golf course for a player. So it's been awesome. When you play golf now, Ziegs, do you just feel like a complete pansy ass? Like, oh my God. This is just like, this is kitty golf. This isn't even real shit. Yeah, 100%. You're skewed for life. For never be happy with yourself ever again. And I think that's the hard part too. I think this is where like people who watch Tiger hit in like 2000 and like that was like their image of what a perfect golf shot is like that's what mine's like now of like okay bryson hits his eight iron 210 yards like i hit my eight iron 160

that's a 50 yard difference like that that's tough and he's like 70 in front of you correct and so it's like i'm like man like i don't even want to play golf now yeah you've ruined the game yeah like i can't hit it 350 off the team i can't hit a six iron into this part five i'm got to actually lay up. So it's interesting. And then like, yeah, and like I work with an LPJ tour player. And, you know, we were just doing some wedge work. And I'm just like, yeah, so we're at 80 yards.

Like, is this like just like a little lob wedge? She's like, you know, she's like, that's the top end of my lob wedge, bottom end of my sand wedge. And I'm like, oh, yeah, sorry. It just felt terrible. So, yeah. Like I said, Trina, you're making fun of her distance. Oh, yeah, all the time. She needs to hit it further.

Yeah. I'll let her know. Gain some weight. The end of the story is you made the proper decision. Caddian for Bryson DeShamo. There's no doubt about that. We could talk about this all day, but we do have to get to the emergency nine. All right. This is where we have some fun. Sleys, I'm going to let you start it off this week.

All right, Zieg, this is the one we asked to everybody. You get to trade lives with one person in the world dead or alive for one day. Who you got? Oh, man. If you say Bryson, you're such a kiss-ass. Yeah, don't even try to. I know. I know Tim said that, so I can't say it. But I would like to, okay, how about, I would like to play a round of golf with his ability one time. So that's only four hours out of my day. Yeah. The other 20 hours out of the day, who would I be? Okay, you're, you're way overthinking this. You don't get to change multiple people. This is like the most analytical answer ever. People are like, LeBron. Yeah, I don't know. Albert Einstein. I don't know. That'd be cool. He's really smart dude. Sorry. That sounds bad. That'd be a boring ass dude. day, just be behind a desk all day.

It would be like experiments. The crazy pictures, no, come on. All right, Einstein. That's how Colton I live every day. Okay, number two. Do you think Bryson takes the scientific approach he takes to golf to his dating life? Yes. How is that possible?

I love it. Yeah, yeah. Does he have like spreadsheets on chicks like pros and cons and then weight them and some formula. Is there yes or no? Well, I, you know, like, long came Polly. Yeah, I think he has, like, he has a specific, yeah, he has like a specific type of woman that he would like to have in his life. So he's not a, yeah, he's, yeah, he for sure has that type of mentality.

He has that mentality with everything. So it doesn't matter what I love it. Yeah, I don't think that turns off ever from what I gather. No. No. All right. Next one, Zieg, if I were to say the term black Christmas, what comes to mine first. Oh man, that I'm still going to get in trouble from Trent for this one for sure. I mean, this is this is not great. You're so far above him now, dude. I am way not above him. And I'm still scared. Like, I knew you were going to ask me this and I was still nervous thinking about this morning. Back in 2010, I thought that playing at Whisper Rock on Christmas when it was closed was a really good idea. And the nice part was the person that caught us let us finish playing

that day. We played 36. We saw this guy on like the front nine. and then the next day when I came in for work, it didn't go over very well. Yeah, Trent wasn't very happy with me. And I felt horrible about it. And I still do to this day. Like, I'm still scared of Trent to this day. Oh, he's soft.

You don't need to be sorry. Thanks for bringing that one up. It took balls to do that, too. I respect that. Sneaking on on Christmas Day. Yeah, I won like a couple hundred bucks too. So that was, that was worth it. Yeah.

All right. Good work. All right. Yeah. Next one, you know, you know, it's kind of like caddy courtesy. Like you're walking by another player's bag, and if they're caddy's a little behind, you like pick it up for them. Do you ever pick up another player's bag and be like, damn, I really wish our bag was that light?

All the time. Every bag that I've picked up has been like that. Yeah. So at the WGC at Memphis, you are playing with Dustin. And the second hole, you have to walk back to that third T. And I'm standing over there talking, and AJ comes by, he's like, dude, pick up Bryson's bag. This thing is a fucking joke.

Like how, just give the people at home an estimate of how much you think it weighs? In tournament days are the lightest days, just so you all know. I mean, practice round days are the worst. It's got to weigh 55 pounds. And it's not like, it's not positioned very well. It's like the straps are super long. So like I think every caddy deal. And what I learned too is that I am the smallest caddy on tour.

There's like three or four guys that are like my size or smaller. Everybody else's are bigger guys that are caddying out there. They're taller. So like this strap is so long and like the bag I can never get it to sit on my hips. So it's like it's always in the shortest setting and it's always up and I am so hunched over. So like all my workout stuff is like can I get to sit up a little bit more as I can do this. So I can just do this job for a long period of time because if I didn't do anything to get stronger, like I couldn't do this job for a long period of time because I'm not, I'm just not tall enough or big enough. to just do it. So I'm, I'm actually in a big bulking phase right now. I'm trying to get up to 165.

Oh, relax. Yeah. I know. That's 10 pounds, man. That's a lot. I was told I got to eat a lot of white rice. Yeah, you're in good hands. I got a feeling on how to put on some LBs. All right. So as you mentioned earlier, Bryson told me firsthand about a UFO encounter that he had in Dallas. Can you confirm that these sightings are legitimate? I can confirm. And there's actually a video confirmation of it. And I know everybody who was there. There was multiple people there. It was not just one person. And then there was a big, like if you Googled that date, UFO sightings in Dallas, there were a lot of people that saw it as well. It was like three saucers flying around. And he went through it in depth. It was fascinating. Yeah. Yeah. So the video is just is like,

it's one. And then it's like, it's gone. And like it kind of like, because you like big 10x zoom in and And then, like, you know, the camera's kind of, like, moving around a lot. Then they, like, moved, and then it was just gone. So, yeah, they said they saw two, two or three saucers, whatever it was. Yeah. I wish I was there. It was fun. Damn.

Yeah. Me too. Me too. Big into that. Take me. Take me. Take me. Well, that might be the answer to my next question.

My next question is, what does an off week look like for Bryson? And what does he do for fun? Work out. Work out a lot. So there's no such thing as an off week. There's no such a off week. thing as an on week yeah yeah um i mean he's got a he's got a place that he vacations that he goes to but like even there like he's working out and playing golf um or hitting golf balls anyways uh yeah like i mean

the most downtime i ever saw him have is when we both had covid and we didn't get to go to the olympics so i mean we were down and out for like 10 days at his house is quarantined there and eating a lot of chicken and rice and chicken noodle soup and sleeping a lot. What's on the TV at Bryson Deschambeau's house? Well, that week we watched the Olympics. So thankfully the Olympics were on because you don't want to have to like figure out something to watch when you can't leave the house. So there, that was the Olympics all week.

Like MLB TV gets on there. And then there's a, you know, we watch a lot of these, a couple of these guys on Twitch who do like slot machines. for a ton of money. And like, I'm like, I'm not a slots person, like the gambling I like. I've played poker. So it, I was like, yeah, this is going to be dumb. And we started watching it.

And man, I think we watched it for like two hours. Like this guy just like a thousand of push. Like boom, boom, boom. And he's like, he's going crazy. What's going on here? Then the guy won a million dollars. I'm like, I'm hooked for life. Like I will watch this guy push slots for a thousand bucks of push and for life.

because this is so much fun to watch. And I'm like, man, it's like you feel like you get that gambling rush without having to lose any money. Damn. But yeah, there's quite a few of those guys that we watch. And they're funny. I got to get off Pi-Gow and get into the slots. It's not exciting watching Pi-Gow for four hours.

But you could play Pi-Gow for four hours with $100 and never lose a hand. And you can get totally blasted and walk out dead even. It's the ultimate con. That is correct. And then there's another game that I, I just discovered because I was just in Atlantic City. What is it called? It's like something flush game where you get dealt seven cards and you get a flush.

Well, like the second or third hand I'm playing, all you're looking for is flushes. Well, I look at the queen of clubs, the jacket clubs, and then the ten of clubs were my first three cards I pulled. And I'm looking at like these bonuses. I've already got like an eight to one bonus. And I got another two to one bonus. Next card king of clubs. So I have a four card straight flush. and I'm like, oh my God, I was like, if I hit one more, like on 25 bucks, I'm getting a thousand to one.

I hit a two. Yeah, exactly. I could buy the Wild West wherever I was at. And then my next club is two of clubs. So now I have five clubs, which is like a 10 to one bonus. I have a four card straight flush. It was like a 60 to one bonus. And then I go red, red.

I'm like, perfect. And I look down, I played this thing for like three hands. I won like $2,500. I was like, all right, cool, thanks. I'll see you guys later. shit that's it sign me up brainless money but yeah always looking more like i like playing pie gal because there's like it's just fun to just sit there and kill time because i don't like playing blackjack i don't like doing any of those other things so lots of pie gal if i'm going to sit and watch other people

gamble all right that's a good little insight as to what you guys watch give us a little more here bryson's always got his headphones in when he's practicing what's the most embarrassing song or artist on his playlist he's yeah yeah yeah I mean, it's not embarrassing. You listen to a lot of cold play. Oh, yeah. Very, very emo. Super emo on the range.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of like, there's a lot of, like, I forget what, it's a lot of, like, it's a lot of, like, no words. Like, I don't know. Like, I don't know. Like, I don't know. But it's like, yeah, it's like it's soft. It's good.

It's like, it's an easy lesson. So, yeah, that's a lot of what he says. Very spiritual man. Very spiritual man. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, just get, getting deep. No, Katie Perry.

for Bryce and Deschambo. No. There might be some in there. There's a little bit of country on his playlist. Good, good man. Got to listen to the country every once in a while. Yeah. All right.

First, when I ask you this, first thing that pops into your head, best shot you've ever seen Bryson DeCambo hit. Oh, my gosh. I'm not really good at this. The wedge shot that he hit in the fourth hole the playoff hits the free feet.

Against Patrick Cantley. Oh, yeah, when he'd already stuffed it in. Yeah. Yeah. I thought maybe the drive at Rider Cup. Yeah, the drive on one or the drive on five at the Rider Cup. Was it pretty good?

That was really cool, but like, I mean, I watch him in drivers all the time. And I've seen them like, to me it's like, does he clutch up and hit the shot when he needs to hit the shot? That's more of the moment that I'm like, yes, that's it. That's what I wanted to see happen. Sorry, I'll take that all back. 16th pole. He hits a eight iron. 243 yards at Caves Valley and hits it to two feet.

That would be the best shot I've ever seen that. Eight iron from 243. Yeah, that'll do it. Yeah, that's normal shit. Yeah, I get it. Yeah. I get it. With no win.

It could be a soft seven in my overall. It's nice when the 450 yard drive doesn't even factor in. Oh, yeah, yeah. I don't. So that ain't shit. So like a little bit to that shot, right? So I forget who maybe it was like Roger Maltby during a practice round. He goes, I bet you can't hit it on this green.

well, of course, Bryson goes driver seven iron onto the green from the right rough. So now we're on Saturday's round. Saturday's round. Friday's round. Oh, Friday's round. Either one. Hits it up in kind of the same spot that we were, but we were like another 10 back. So we're going through all this.

And like where we fell into numbers was like, okay, if we think that this is going to fly 15 yards, if the sixth iron would land you like 10 short. So, but I'm like, hey, he's pretty amped up. He's hitting it pretty good. And like that's the thing like Bryson gets not amped up, but like days where he's swings it better. It's not like a two or three yard difference in clubs. It's like a five percent difference. So like now we're factoring in 10 or 12 yards versus like, oh, I'm swinging it really good today. I'm hitting it two or three yards further. So I'm like, you're pretty amped up. You

think of what I'm thinking? He's like, yeah, eight iron. And I'm like, yeah, eight iron sounds great. So I just hand him the eight iron. And I step back. I'm like, there's no chance this is getting to the green. And he hits it. And I'm like, got to get up. Well, land. pin high, goes to the bag of the green, comes back down. And the guy that's walking, the guy who was an old catty, he was asking, like, what club is that? And he's like, do you mean, do you mean six? I said, and he's like, and I just show him the eight iron with all the mud on it. I'm like, eight iron. And he goes, Bryson just hit an eight iron from 243 yards to two feet. I can't believe it. I'm like, that is. I'm like, that

It's awesome. Yeah, it's different. It is different for sure. All right. Last one, Zee, and we'll let you get out of here. Who has a weaker pullout game? You with the flagstick or Antonio Cromarty just in general? Oh, man.

I mean, you know, everybody. Yeah, everybody's been in that situation. And I just happened to do it in front. It wasn't like, I mean, whatever. It was what, Saturday of the Ryder Cup with 7,000 people around the green. saw it. So I became a meme and that was pretty cool. Like we, uh, we've actually designed a logo that'll be coming out that is like, looks like me rattling a flag stick. So yeah, full on panic mode. I mean, it's like, it's like you saw the guy do it. Like I was, there was some sand in there and I'm like,

I'm like, oh my gosh. I'm like, I'm tending the flag. This is the first time. This is the first time I've ever tended a flag. Like, we don't tend flags anymore in tournaments and like, you know, usually. So you're supposed to pull it out and like kind of rested in. there. Well, I've caddied six times, so I don't really know that. So I took it out and then I put it back in. And then he hits the putt and like I'm probably pulling it a little bit sideways and it doesn't want to come out. But then after like once everything's calmed down and like John Rom walked over and Bryson walked over like, I'm still trying to get it out. And like now I'm starting to pull the cup up. So I'm like, just have the official come over and do this. And then he comes over and just goes, whoop. I'm like, great, great.

I just turn around and I just held the flag stick up. Yeah, you've officially made it now that there's a meme about you though. Right, right. And during the singles match with Sergio, it took him nine holes before he said anything. Because I said, do you want me to pull the flag out for you? He goes, if you can manage that, that's fine. And I was like, damn, I was expecting this on like the first hole. So I've embraced it.

It's fine. It's great. I'm a meme. Yeah. A lot of people dying to be a meme out there. You've done it already. Well, Zieg, we appreciate you coming on, man. Thank you so much.

I think you made the right decision going with Bryson and nothing but big things coming up for you guys. Thanks, boys. Appreciate it. This was fun. You got it. Thank you. That was Bryson DeCampo's Bagman. Brian Ziegler joining us here on Golf Sub Bar.

I mean, what a crazy ride he's been on lately. Yeah, I mean, from busting balls at the range of Whisper Rock, a handful of years ago to now on the bag, Ryder Cup, majors, WGCs. There's nothing he can be thrown into now that's going to phase him at all. I mean, like you said, first event, he gets out there, major championship thrown into the middle, like at the peak, I would say, of the Brooksie, Bryson stuff, had to do all that type of deal. Rider Cup immediately.

And just not only that, but like he's a caddy and waiting. All right, he's around Bryson a whole lot, but being aware of what Bryson needs and then actually going into and just learning how to be a catty too. Like, I think there was probably a long time there where he was like, just don't mess up. Let's get everything this guy needs and let's keep it moving. Yeah, and like no disrespect to you. I mean, you're a world-class caddy. Correct. But you couldn't just show up out of the golf subpar studios and caddy for Bryson to

Champlain. Bryson would take me two years of learning all the shit that he needs. It would take me ages. I think it would take any caddy months and months and months to get it towards like, here's the progress, here's what you go through, here's all the info. Yeah, no doubt about it. It's different. There's no doubt.

He requires a lot more. He goes about things a different way, but it's fascinating the way they do go about it. And it's turning out to be really successful. We mentioned, I mean, they lost a playoff at Kay's Valley to a guy who pretty much broke most putting records on the PGA tour in Patrick Cantley. And it takes a week like that for someone to beat Bryson when he is driving it the way he is. I mean, at Kay's Valley at the Ryder Cup, he was hitting 350-yard just seeds down the middle of the

fairway. And like I said before, I've heard from other really, really, really high-ranked players. They're like, if he drives it that way for four days, it's really hard to beat him. There's only a few guys, I think you could, if Bryson sets up and hits driver in the middle of the fairway over and over, there's only a few guys I think they can, they could hang with him at that time. and we haven't seen him run away from fields more or less other than the open chance, excuse me, other than the U.S.

open. But if he does, it's going to take something like Patrick Cantley. And by the way, Bryson still had multiple chances to win that golf tournament with puts that, you know, he didn't hole. He still could have done it,

even with the best putting week in the history of golf since they started keeping stats. And he did what all great caddies do. He left the pin sheet. Of course, dude. You got to chest your guy early to say, look, you got to set the bar. I am going to fuck up numerous times.

We're going to do it here on the first hole, just so you get it used to it. And he almost, dude, not getting the pin out at the Ryder Cup, I was watching that lot. I was like, oh my God, this is going to happen. He's going to pull the entire cup out. It's going to be a huge, huge debacle. But he got the Antonio Carmari reference, which I didn't know. He probably heard enough jokes at this point about it, but he got Antonio Carmari.

He did. But one of the things going back to like the beginning is when, you know, they talked about him possibly caddy. And he took a couple months to think about it where I was kind of surprised. I'm kind of like, okay, listen, you're a teaching pro. Some teaching pros make great money. some don't but here's a chance where you can go out and really make a great living from one of the best players in the world but he also at the end of the day he knows it's there's a lot being asked of him so it was a tough choice but I was surprised that he thought

about it for a good two months it's probably the the toughest caddy job on the PJ tour in terms of time and what it demands of you but also almost any person in the world I think that's offered that would jump at it and I talked to him pretty much like right after he got it I was like dude congratulate this is awesome and we talked a little bit and I was shocked at the time to Like it wasn't a slam down. It wasn't, even though it was catty and waiting, when the job actually came up, it was like, all right, I got to think about what all this entails. Because he's stepping away from teaching, and that was something he wanted to get into and all that.

But it's a pretty big opportunity. And you fly nice to tournaments, too. Yeah, if you get on the bird with Bryson, I mean, you fly private. There's a Bentley sitting there waiting on you. Pretty good gig. He's probably not living exactly like Gino, Benelli, on the road. No, he is not. Well, thanks to Brian Ziegler for joining us.

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We're over in Japan. The boys jumped on a charter from Las Vegas, headed across to Japan. Pretty strong field. Got the likes of Xander Shaflei in the field, Hedeki Matsuyama. It's going to be a very, very interesting one. They're going to be back in a bubble over there, which is a little uncomfortable. Only 5,000 fans a day. But there is money to be made, my friend.

and we said Colin Moracawa last week. Almost got it done for us. I almost had him on the home track. All right. Well, for me this week, as my favorite, he's going off at 12 to 1. Nobody knows Japan better than this guy. Hideki Matsiyama.

Yeah, hard to argue against. I like Hideki over there. I was very much leaning towards Zanda Shafle. It has a nice little track record over there as well. It just got himself a gold medal. I'm going a little bit further down the board. We don't know much, if anything, about this golf course, who it suits, who it doesn't suit,

all that type of thing. So I'm just going with a guy that I think is on the precipice of winning some golf tournaments, more golf tournaments. Joaquin Neiman at 20 to 1. Teeter Green, he's awesome. It's just when does that putter cooperate with him? But I'm going to go just a little bit down the board. Joaquin Neiman, take a little bit of a shot there.

20 to 1. I'll go with him if he can catch a hot putter. All right, I like it. I'm going to go with a guy who just came off a heater in Vegas. Just shot a little final round 61. For my dark horse, he's going off at 41 to 1. Emiliano Greo. Yeah.

Love this man. Absolutely stripes. the golf ball. If he gets the putter going, which you obviously did on Sunday, look out. But listen, you do a little 61, got to give you a little confidence going into next week. I would think so. If that doesn't do it, I don't know what you're looking for. He's the guy I think has the strong similarities to Joaquin Neiman. Kind of teeter green, really good when the putter cooperates. Tough to beat. I'm staying around that 40 to 1 mark, just a little bit less. I'm going to go the guys had a good start to the year. He plays a nice west, and he's heading even more west than

California. I'm going to go Maverick McNeely at 34 to 1. I think he's just kind of been around the tour long enough now, starting to get his feet wet, and I think he's poised for a big year, but already got one good finish under his belt, just got clipped by Max Homa. But Maverick-Kneely, 34-1. That's my dark horse. All right, well, get amongst it with our guys over at Fandul. If you've never tried Fandul Sportsbook, what are you waiting for?

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If you don't already love Jimmy, you're about to. Because there's some stories that you might find, you may find, um, abnormal for the, um, you know, long time tour pro given the amount of money they make. Jimmy Boy still hunting for deals. Didn't stop him. All right. Well, thank you to everyone for listening. We'll talk to you on next week's golf subpar.