Subpar - Camilo Villegas on why he knows how much it costs to clean Tiger’s jet, mentoring Tom Kim at the 2022 Presidents Cup

Episode Date: November 15, 2022

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, four-time PGA Tour winner Camilo Villegas joins former PGA Tour pro Colt Knost and jicky jack legend Drew Stoltz for an exclusive interview. He talks founding Mia's Miracles in honor of his daughter, working with Tom Kim as an assistant captain at the 2022 Presidents Cup and why he knows how much it costs to clean Tiger Woods' jet. Subpar Podcast: https://linktr.ee/Golf1271 Birdie Juice Merch: https://proshop.golf.com/collections/birdie-juice-collection -- Thanks to our official sponsor Dewar's. Make sure to check out their Reserve Bar listings today: https://www.reservebar.com/collections/house-of-dewars  Our friends at Linksoul apparel have some exciting things planned for the Holiday season, so go to Linksoul.com and sign up to get their emails and texts for early access to everything going on.

Hello world. Welcome back to golf subpar. Colt Nost and Drew Stoltz coming at you. And Sleith, stop me if you've heard this before, but Tony Fienow is a winner again, and it was an absolute ass whipping. He won by four, but it looked a lot worse than that. I mean, he struggled a little bit on his back nine there on Sunday, but man, he put on a clinic this week down in Houston. You know, they say no lead in golf is safe. I'm going to take issue with that and say eight shot lead going into the final nine, that's safe lead. And he gets going, man. I mean, it's all starting to click right now for the long time. The narrative was like, why can't Tony close? Why doesn't he win more? Boom, fast forward.

And now, what, he's won three of his last seven, I think four in his last 30 out there, which is on par with Roy McElroy and Scotty Sheppler. Those are the only two other guys to do it. And Colt, like, I mean, it's always his putter that we look at with Tony, right? It's never anything else. Well, he led the field in driving accuracy this week, as well as greens and regulation. And then second in putting. So you put all those three together.

He's a tough man to beat. And he wins in big clips too, Cole. Like you go back to what, the 3M Rocket Mortgage won those by three and five. He can run away from people, you know, when it all gets going. You're starting to see it more regularly from the big fella. Yeah, and I know it wasn't the strongest field in the world. But listen, you can only beat the field you're going up against each week. And, I mean, he took down Scotty Sheffler, Sam Burns.

I expect big thing. I think there's a big win coming for Tony Feeneau very soon. You know, we've seen him that being the contention at the Masters. Wouldn't be surprised if he's up there again come April. But it's cool to see, man. His confidence is sky high right now. He's just destroying fields. I mean, look back to what he did in Detroit, 3M there at Minnesota, and now here,

he's on an absolute heater. That bank account is looking nice. I mean, yeah, it is a fall event. It's not the best field in golf. But I would argue put the best field in golf out there. I mean, he was eight away from the closest guy going in the final nine on Sunday. I think that gets it done just about. anywhere and I'm kind of with you it's like all right you know the way his career's gone he's starting

to win he's starting to win more regularly he's starting to win by bigger margins it's like what's next i mean you got to think major championships are just highlighted all over you know for their 2023 for tony yeah really happy for tony one of the one of the best guys out there on the pj tour fifth pga tour win also got to give a little shout out to our boy jordan spith who was the college game day guest picker down there in texas where your frogs got the best of them in a very, very ugly game. It was nasty. It was a little cold weather, not optimal scoring conditions out there, but the boys just did what we do, grind it out, all the naysayers. We go in there,

rank fourth, we're touchdown dogs, you know, just complete disrespect for my guys, but we're used to it, and we climb out of Austin. That was a big hurdle for the fellas. I'm going to stop. We do our picks of the week until they don't cover. I think I'm just going to keep picking them every single week. I do it on the side anyways. I mean, until they lose, stop doing it. I had to exchange a couple texts with Jordan said hey love you on game day. Hope we can still be friends and he's like yeah rough look for the boys down there but that was Quinn Ewers and all in all that hype and stuff man they um I think there's some questions being asked down there right now but the frog train rolls on it's good to hear he's texting texting you back

after that little whoops you had with him back in the day yeah we've moved past that we put that in the rear view you know every relationship goes through ups and downs we've addressed it and we've moved on Okay. Well, I hope you celebrated with a nice big glass of Doers. Because what do Matthew Fitts, Cameron Smith, and Scottie Sheffler have in common with Doers four-time master blender of the year, Stephanie McLeod? They're all at the top of their game. In Stephanie's case, that means creating the new Dewers 12-year-old. Double-aged and first-filled bourbon cast, the new Doers-12 is smoother and richer with a profile full of fruit, vanilla, floral notes, and spice. It earned a 94-point rating from Whiskey Cast, a 93-point rating from Whiskey Advocate, and four-star. from Paul Poccolate of the Spirit Journal. It's proof of what you can do when you're a true champion of your craft. Try it, enjoy it, and please drink responsibly. Give a little cheers, a little shout out to one of our newest members at Wisparok, Charles Barkley, and his partner, The Thunder, Dan Marley,

put on maybe a bigger ass weapon that Tony Fee now did to the member member at Wistbrook. One, the overall net division with 86 Stableford points, which we believe that is a new record around Whiskbrook. Charles gets a lot of shit for his golf game. I didn't play with him this week, but everything I heard, it was pretty impressive. Obviously, it was. They got 86 points.

That is a joke. Talk to Thunder and Chuck after I was like, what the hell happened out there? That thing, I mean, this wasn't a fair fight. Dan was like, dude, wasn't a fair fight. The first four holes we started out, it's a scramble format on the first few shots, two shots, and then you alternate going in.

He's like, you know, I'd hit the drive a lot of the time. might hit the green a lot of time. Charles made every single putty looked at. We were making birdie. They got seven shots the first day, Colt. They gross birdied six of them. Yes. So goes to Eagle, which is worth six points in the stable format. We're playing. I'm like, yeah, pretty much pile up six egs in round one. Probably going to be tough to beat. So shout out to them. You go, you do go, Colt, go in your first tournament as a member and just winning a landslide like that. It's tough look. People can ask some questions. Afterwards, he was calling his buddies.

He's like, you wouldn't believe this Whisper Rock plays. They just hand out money around here. This place is fantastic. It's just shit players all over the place. Oh, my God. I cannot believe they won. But it was cool to say. Yeah, they didn't just win.

I mean, that thing was a landslide. Shout out to both. I saw you put a little story up, too. Like, Charles finally got one. Finally got a trophy. Yeah, it's a big moment. It's a big moment for the fella. My doer's moment of the week hold, I think, is right now,

because we're recording this early on Sunday night here. to leave towns. We're doing this a little bit early. You might be able to hear it in my voice yesterday, Colt. I was with you for a good part of it. Long day. Not great for the health of the sleeves from member, member all day. You were there. There were shots being taken. We had a good time to say the least. I leave straight from there into Elton John, by the way, who shut the place down. 75 years old, by the way, still selling out arenas all over the place. Of course, I'd have my phone watching the TCU game. We were drinking very liberally at that event as well and went into the late nights and I'm ready to shut her down. So that's my moment of the week, sleeping. That's incredible.

I bet that concert was fantastic. We had a time. We had a good time. I like it. Well, our guest this week is absolutely fantastic as well. We got the PGA Tour legend Camilo Vigas joining us from down in Florida. It has some incredible stories. You're not going to want to miss the Tiger Wood story that comes up later on in the interview. Let's get to it. Here's Camillo Bajegas on golf subpar. Okay, you are all very familiar with our guest here today. He's a four-time winner on the PGA Tour, International President's Cup, Captain's Assistant, may win the tour to France in the future and has not had a carbohydrate in over two decades. Camilo Bajgas, how are you, dude? Damn, you got almost got everything right except the card thing there. You got any cars, man. You're

riding the bike. It gives you energy. See, I know why people are so skeptical about carbs. I'm not. We're not. Yeah, we're skeptical about anything. But hey, by the way, we've known each other a long time, but we're getting old, man. You're 40 now. I am 40.

Can you believe that? It goes quick, man. I'm telling you. I tell all these young kids, because I remember 2004 playing my first events on tour, and I'll get paired with the X or Y guy, And I'll be like, hey, how many years have you been on tour? And the guys would be like, oh, I've been on tour for five, six years. I'm like, man, that's a long time.

And then you get another guy. It's like, yeah, I've been on tour for 12 years. I'm like, man, how are you on tour for 12 years? And then you get the Jay has. Jay, how many years have you been on tour for 24 years? And you're like, that's impossible. Well, here we are. It's 2022.

We started in 2004. We've been on tour for a long time. And yeah, all those young kids probably look at me and say, He's an old fucker. You got a little gray in the beard now, though, a little wisdom, you know? Yeah, yeah, man. At least you got that beautiful flow still on top of your head. I got some.

I still got some. Yeah, that ain't gone anywhere. Tell us a little about what's going on. I see you're covering yours. I'm just promoting the pod, Camille. I like it. Free advertisement. But tell us about what's going on with the golf game.

How are we doing? You play on past champion status right now? out on the PJ too. I am, man. Yeah, it's been, it's been, it's been, it's been tough the last couple years, to be honest. I mean, the game of golf has been great to me, but, but nobody's immune from the ups and downs. And I keep working hard, man. I love it.

I enjoy the process. But, but physically I've been good. I had a little injury there for about a year and a half. And then, and then it came a little family situation with losing our daughter, Mia, which was, which was, which was tough. That was a tough emotional time in life. But I was very happy with the support from everybody. I mean, it's been unbelievable. The golfing family, the non-golfing family, everybody's overwhelming with the support.

And we're trying to get back. We're trying to get back. We're working hard. And now we also have Mia's miracles, which is, yes, we would love to have Mia here with us. but unfortunately we don't. She's in a better place. It was a tough battle for her. She was very strong.

And my wife Maria decided to get Mia's Miracles going. I had my foundation called Camila Vijayga's Foundation. And we quickly changed the name, changed the purpose, the vision. And she's been working hard. So we got a lot of great projects. And once again, the support has been unbelievable. So we have a little angel up there looking at us. And we're trying to get back and give some smiles.

those people that are going through situations like we went through are going to be benefited from Mia's Miracles, my wife's work, and everybody that supports our foundation. And I know your events coming up here in a few weeks. If people that are listening right now wanted to get involved and help out, how can they do that? Yeah, mias miracles.org is the website and they have the Instagram too, which is Mia's underscore Miracles. And, And they can find a lot of information there. It's become a priority for us. We do it with a lot of love, obviously.

And it's very different because, man, it feels so good. It feels so right to give back. And we work really hard. We've been very fortunate to do what we do for a living. We've been very fortunate to be successful doing what we do for a living. Winning golf tournaments is pretty cool. But this is a different feeling. And it's a pretty special one.

So yeah, anybody that wants to support our costs and everything that we're doing in the U.S., everything that we're doing in Colombia and bringing smiles to those in need, they can go on the website. They can make donations there or they can reach out if they need any other information and keep helping us make other smile. The golf community is a small community, but it's such a supportive community. When all this was going down, were you, like, blown away at the outpouring of support you got from guys you've been playing? against your whole career and probably i assume a ton of people that you really haven't even had contact with on the golf course at any point absolutely i'm going to be very honest with you i had a love and hate relationship with my phone why because it was very very it got crazy there it got very it got very crazy and and there were times where i just hated my phone because there was so much in

it and i was trying to be there with a little little daughter mia but it was a love relationship with my phone because I knew the love that was being, and the great energy that was being sent to us from all over the world and everybody. So every time I got to look, I got on the phone, I started looking at messages. I was overwhelmed and I hated it, but I loved it because I knew all the energy and all the positive attitude and good vibes that were being sent our way. Yeah, for sure. Like you said, you got great support from all over for that.

And it's an incredible cause. What you are doing. Hopefully people listening can go help. before we get back to Camillo Bajgas, we have a special offer for you that goes all the way through the holidays. Head over to the golf.com pro shop. Pick you out some birdie juice gear. And when you check out, automatically 20% off. No code needed.

Perfect in time for the holidays. 20% off at checkout, golf.com pro shop. Head over there now. But I want to go back to your earlier years a little bit. Growing up in Columbia, I know I talked to your golf coach, Buddy Alexander from the University of Florida. Don't worry. He didn't give me any of the good dirty stories or anything. like that. But he didn't tell me you were the most perfect student. You were a coach's dream.

You went to all your classes. First off, back up, he told me he had the best recruiting trip of his life when he came and saw you at the U.S. Junior in the finals, I believe, against Hunter Mayhan, correct? Correct. He told me he got to play Pine Valley that week. He got to go over and watch you, and he signed you that week. But he did say, since you made it to the finals, it cost him another half of a scholarship. He thought he's going to get you for a discount price. But then once you made it to the finals, you took it all from him. Yeah, that was a great tournament. I mean, battling a hunter in York, Pennsylvania was great.

We had a good time and obviously played against him for many years. Talking about buddy, man, what a special individual in my life. I mean, the University of Florida was great. Four years where I learned so much. And it was pretty interesting because when I got there, it was very different coming from Colombia. I mean, being able to play golf and have an education, you don't get that in Colombia. So here I started seeing all the great opportunities, all those doors that started to open, and I try to pick the right one, and I try to pick the one that was going to make me a better player,

that was going to make me a better person, and that was going to help me accomplish my dreams, which were to play on the PGA tour. And Buddy Alexander, very knowledgeable coach. old school, tough, but man, he was on my side. He really liked the way I was grinding, and I really liked the weight and the stuff and all the planning he had for us. There was no stone on turn, and I took advantage of that. I got in the gym, I got stronger.

I went to classes. I made sure my grades were good to play golf. and man, four years later, I got my degree, three times a first-team All-American. So it was a successful college career. I really enjoyed it. I've made a lot of friends. And once again, I learned so much from Buddy Alexander. I am not sure I would have been as successful in the PJ tour if it wasn't because of those four years and all the stuff I learned.

I learned at University of Florida and from Buddy Alexander. You're such a kiss-ass. Man, it sounds like he's trying to get another scholarship. He's trying to go back graduate degree. By the way, go ahead. You're going to be a doctor? How much cooler does he say Columbia than us? A lot cooler.

It's so, I was like, man, I wish I could say it like that. Yeah, everything sounds cooler. Was your, did you, were you like fluent English was good when you came over? Can you spell Colombia? Because they misspell it here all the time. It's C-O-L-O. Yeah, Kolo. There we go.

We're talking to. We're very worldly here. Median, or however, you probably say, a lot cooler as well i probably can't say that one yeah yeah great place man you guys got to go there i'm telling you it's it's it's it's it's it's pretty it's pretty cool i miss it i got to spend about 10 12 weeks a year in in meijin and i got my family there but it's it's it's it's a cool place man i've been to bogatah i've never been that's like my number one place i want to go south america there in australia i've all my friends that've gone there played you know the cornfrey

events or you know you got you know latin america tour they all come back like dude moving moving down there. If only they had pretty women down there. Yeah, just a little laugh. Yeah, that's cute. Were you fluent, Camilo, when you came over and we're going to Florida? I assume so because you got good grades in business. But a lot of the international guys come over, that's like a pretty big hurdle going to college. No, I wasn't fluent. I mean, I was very lucky to go to a kind of bilingual school in Colombia. And so I had some professors that would teach classes in English, maybe about half the classes. But you know, you don't practice speaking it. And so when you don't practice, you're not good at it.

So I was a slow reader when I got to school. So it took a little time. But, but, and I was cautious at first with the stuff I was saying. And then one day I just look at my teammates. I said, listen, guys, I'm going to mess it up. Just, just correct me, laugh and just keep going. And I need to learn. So that's what I did.

I just started just throwing out whatever came to my head. and it got better quick. Hey guys, I'm going to mess it up, but I'm also going to be a first team all-American. So deal with that, you losers. If you can shoot 68 every day, you could speak bad too. Who are some of the other guys on your team while you're at Florida? Like some guys that made it?

Well, guys that we won national championship my freshman year, which was pretty cool. That team was Nick Gillum that never got on tour, but he played a, did Nick play Corn Ferry? I think he did play Corn Ferry one year. We had Camillo Benedetti. from Columbia who played corned ferry tour for many years misses PGA tour card a few times by a shot or a position

finishing 26 and we had Bubba Dickerson the one and only Bubba Dickerson I got stories about Bubba but Baba a very talented very talented golfer and we had a guy from England called Ben Banks and did I was that five yeah and myself I'm Bubba Dickerson I remember when I first got out on the corn fairy he played with these Callaway shovels. I mean, they were the biggest game improvement irons I've ever seen. I've never seen a good player play with irons like this.

Very talented player. I mean, Bubba, I was surprised he didn't play longer on the PJ tour. But you had James Vargas. James Vargas was, he was a good, good player. And then just when he came to college, started going a little downhill. Jesse Mud, one of my best friends in college. Jesse Muddy strong guy

unbelievable hands great short game I learned so much about just around the greens and bunker play from him and he was probably my tightest friend in college he's a good man he has a big heart

he was a talented kid who could throw up more weight in the gym him or you oh for sure him I mean he's 200 he's country strong yeah country strong yeah but look at those guns yeah I know that's different kind of

strong. They're both strong. I'm lean, man. Everybody says like, man, everybody, people, when they see me out on the street or something, it's like, man, I thought you were so much bigger. Hey, I'm 155 pounds. I'm just lean. I don't know what it is, but maybe TV makes you look a little bigger. But no, I just, I just, that's one thing. I mean, we can go back. So when I, when I came from Columbia, I don't recall drinking a full bottle of water. I mean, it was all Diet Coke and my nutrition wasn't great. And that's one of the areas that when I got to the University of Florida, I tried to take advantage and I started eating a little bit better.

I started working out. And I was one of the shortest guys on the golf team. And I quickly realized that if I wanted to play golf for a living and I wanted to play golf on the PGA tour, I had to get more flexible, stronger and better. And it became a lifestyle. So now just waking up and going for sweat and going in the gym, it's just, it just, makes me happy man. All right. Since we're on the topic like tigers come out, we've seen his workout back when Tiger was at his peak, right? And it's like wake up at, I don't know,

four in the morning, run, hit balls, lift, hit more balls, lift some more, then run. What was your, give me your workout regime on, like when you were at your peak in terms of working out. Maybe you're still in it right now. You're saying he's not on his peak? Could be. Hey, listen, man, I, I, I, I train six days a week for sure. I mean, the problem with me is, is taking days off just because I enjoy. it so much. It's, it's, it makes me happy. It makes me, it makes me feel good. So again, it just turns around, okay, listen, you got to rest. So I love cycling. So now I've been riding. I don't ride as long as I was when I was injured with a shoulder just because you got to be smart.

I can't lose weight and then it's just not great for golf once you, two hours, three hours on the bike. That's fine. But once you start going those long rides, a hundred mile rides, it just, it just doesn't do good. You can't go to the range and hit ball. So I, I'm staying away from those. But I always lift too. I lift four or five times a week. Or maybe four now that I'm 40. I mean, I try to be a little bit smarter. But I'm always active. And then back in the day when we were playing tournaments, it was, yeah, you lift Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and then you taper a little bit down toward the weekend. I remember walking in the gym and seeing Vijay Singh and seeing Tiger and those guys were always there pushing. And they

were with their trainers and they were just kind of staying on it. So I learned from those guys. Yeah. Similar. Yes. That's why we do it. Not at all. I mean, I never run into cold at the gym, but that's fine. I got there before you and was finished before you got there. You bummed? You're sleeping in. No, that wasn't you. That was Tiger. Tiger couldn't sleep much. And I remember going tournaments where you had to kind of sign in. And I would go and sign in at 545. And I would go and sign in at 545. and all of a sudden Tiger Woods name was already there, and he was in and out. So I'm like, man, what time did this guy get here?

So, yeah, sometimes he would show up to the gym at 4 in the morning. And by the time we got there, he was gone. Yeah. Different. And you came out on tour kind of right in peak Tiger. I mean, early 2000s. You're living down there in South Florida. How much time do you spend with him?

Not much. To be honest, I don't spend time with Tiger. I mean, Tiger kind of keeps to himself a little bit. He has a few friends. I got to play some practice rounds with him when I was out on tour. So we did play a few practice rounds. They started getting a little bit closer to him. And then being very, very, very honest.

And this might be a little controversial. Man, it just, I don't know what was the benefit. All eyes are on Tiger. And then you see the guys that are close to him. and then they get trapped from a media point of view to the tiger life and the tiger life. I just didn't want to want to that. I wanted to be my own.

And again, nothing against tiger. It's just being tiger. It's tough being tiger. I mean, people always talk about it. Man, I love to be tiger for a day, maybe for a day, but it's not easy to be tiger. Can't go anywhere. Yeah, he's got his own orbit and everything revolves around.

Wasn't Vijay Singh, like your guy when you're first coming out? Like if you want to call a guy like a mentor, wasn't that the guy that you leaned on? Absolutely. VJ was great to me. We had the same agent, Clark Jones. And a VJ, I played a lot of practice with him. VJ was great because whatever he was telling you, you knew he meant 100%. There was no bullshit on VJ.

If he thought you were swinging one way or the other, he was telling you what he thought. There was no trying to trick you. There was no tricks. There was nothing. You played a practice round. I remember playing a practice round in Flint, Michigan. We got to, I don't remember the hole. It's a tight little golf course, tree line, whatever.

And we get to this hole. And he goes, listen, man, if you hit three, you aim at that little branch. And if you hit driver, you go over this little tree. And it was like that. And he meant it. Also, every time you ask him for something, hey, listen, Beach, can you watch me hit a few bunker shots? there was a few times where I would be like, Beach, we've been in this bunker for 45 minutes.

I'm going to kill all the grooves on my wedge. One more, Camillo. One more Camillo. I said, like, Beach, that's enough, man. I feel good. One more. And we'll be there for ages. I remember Tampa.

So Tampa, late, dark, the lights. They have the little golf channel, stand there, and we're hitting chips. and because the grain, the rough was a little funky. We ended up doing that and then we're hitting like balls off the green from one side of the pouting green to the outside of the pouting green and we're there for 10, 15 minutes, 20 minutes, and he just kept going. The guy is a machine.

He won't stop. I mean, you, from everything I've heard, you work as hard as anybody there is. No matter what, whatever you put your mind to, you're going all in. Vijay is a whole other planet. I mean, he requires his caddies 365 days a year. There's no days off for that man. Not at all. I mean, I do work hard, not even close to what BJ does.

That's crazy. And Camilla, like, people that know you well say you're a perfectionist. Like in everything you do, you're perfectionist. When you get to golf, I think there's a happy medium there where that can be a great asset and it can also be bad. Sometimes in golf, do you wish, like, you weren't such a perfectionist? We're like, all right, this is where I'm at right now, this is perfect. Let's just stay here for a while. Absolutely.

I mean, I've always said that the learning curve goes up and then it kind of kind of settles a little. bit and then it starts going a little bit down. And that's from a knowledge point of view. It's nice when you start learning, learning, and you get better, get better, get better, then you kind of settle down a little bit. And there's a point where you know too much. And it's tricky because it translates to the mental side of the game. And I think that if we're going to talk about, hey, listen, why is Camillo Vigga's not playing as good as he played in 2008, 2009, 2010? And it's a little bit of that. I mean, I think I think I swing better. I think my short game is better.

I think my putting stroke is better. But I think there's a little knowledge about understanding how tough it is to win on tour and how good everybody is and all these other factors that translate to a little bit of a weaker mind that we constantly battle. You lose a little bit of confidence here and there. And that's what you're trying to regain.

It's not that you're not good physically at 40. I feel fine. I hit it plenty far. It's that being such a perfectionist sometimes can turn the corner and make it negative. And they say that your strengths can become your weaknesses. And being a professionalist has definitely got me to where I am and accomplish what I've accomplished. But yeah, there's times where I need to let go a bit, relax a little bit, have a drink, Of course. Everybody needs it. It's like the technology.

Are you the guy that's like video every swing, draw all the lines, do this? Is that where you get caught up with? I've seen tons of good players, especially in college when they get to, you know, they get better resources and all that. They become obsessed with it. No, not at all. I mean, I am a perfectionist with preparation and like golf courses, yardish books, making sure I know exactly where to go, how far it is,

rolling balls, hitting putts, all that stuff. But when it comes to trackman, you don't know how many times I've taken my trackman. to golf tournaments and I get back and I say, why did I even pack this thing? It's so heavy. And no, I've never, I've never been a kind of like technical guru and or just, just not case. I don't know. Tell me about your yardage book because I heard it is ridiculously detailed. It is. It is. And I love Mark Long. Mark Long does unbelievable yardage books on the golf, on the PGA tour. but and I have a great relationship with him but I wish his yardage books were not as good to be

honest because it takes a little bit of my advantage because my yardage books since college days my dad's an architect both mom and dad are architects so I guess I guess that's kind of maybe where I get it from a little bit and um and yeah a lot of my teammates used to copy my yardage books in college and then and then even even guys would look at my books on on the pGA tour and a but now mark long man i mean this technology they have it's it's it's so pure i when somebody tells me that there's something wrong in the yardage book it's hard to believe because mark long doesn't make no they're they're fantastic a lot of info talking to one of your old caddies bernan little he told me you have the you have the you have the center line of every fairway in on every hole and then you would hit approach shots and

you would have putts written down from the years past. You'd be walking and be like, Butchie, this putts left edge. And you're 100 yards from the green. Yeah, that's true. But a lot of them. I do a lot of them. But did Brett tell you that the middle of the fairways was actually something he taught me? He did not.

So, yeah, that's something he taught me. And I think he used to do it with Van Crane. And it works great because it takes your mind off all this stuff around. So obviously, in order to get that. point we need to create a straight line so we get three points to create that straight line and we say okay the middle of the fairway at 250 yards is x in the middle of the fairway at 270 and the middle of the fairway at 300 so you know if you're going to hit different clubs or the wind is different you have a few options but then you get there and you know exactly where the middle of that fairway is and where you want to finish it

so i only need it too i didn't need that 300 i didn't need that yeah 268 well you do need you do need the three points because if you go to, then somebody needs to be looking in the distance to see what's going to be your target. So you get the T-box here. You get the T-box here. You get the middle at 250 here. But then whoever's standing here needs to keep looking and say, okay, the middle at that, at the 250 is the left limb on the big tree. So you do need the three, bro. Okay. I'll take your word for it. While we're getting into all this yardage books of it, I think the listeners would find it interesting. You said you used to jot your puts, right? You used to mark your puts down. Let's say you had a putt in 2018 on a certain hole from 15 feet. Okay, boom, you hit it. How do you mark that down

so you know next year in 2019? Like if you're in the same, how is that advantageous to you? I think people would find that interesting. Well, obviously you're going with what you see, but it's, it's great. The pin placements on the PJ Tour don't change too much. I mean, they're one or two yards apart. Obviously, when the Green's books came out, now they're man. You kind of stopped doing that because technology got so good. And you had all these arrows, and then you had the little towers that tell you exactly where the whole location is. So now the rules officials are not even pacing them. They go and put a bottle, make it, get on the radio. I said, hey, on whole six, where's the, where's the can? And they say, oh, it's 11 and three from the right.

So they didn't mess it up. So at this point, you stopped doing a little bit of that because you had the technology. But before that or now, you just make lines. And you've got to be very careful in what angle it is. So let's say there's a pin that's a 7 and 4. And I'm going to hit put put put in a practice round. I put a T. I hit 7 and 4 and I hit just straight from the middle of the fairway, straight this way, straight this way.

So everything on 90 degrees angles. So I know exactly where I hit the putt from. That's the main thing. It's knowing where you hit the putt from, putting it on the yardage book. So when you get there, you kind of know the tendency of the putt. And then you go with the field, obviously. Yeah, it's a lot of work. It's a lot of work.

It's a lot of work. And I also heard not involved in golf, but you might have over a million spreadsheets in your computer full of different information. Is this true or false? Yeah, there's a few. Like, what kind of stuff are you keeping on spreadsheets? everything man Excel is good

yeah give us it I have a life and I have zero spreadsheets so what's all going in your I don't even have a computer I don't even know how to do Excel by the way hey every time there's a capital calling

on an investment I plot it on this spreadsheet okay that's on there fair all right every time there's a distribution it's on the spreadsheet so I just enjoy it

I get that one from my mom my mom is my mom is pretty detail oriented and um and she you don't question you don't question her she she's right because she's put it down she has on the computer and then she goes and checks it and so it's there's no questions to be asked she goes here you go shut up i told you i'm right i jotted this down eight years ago

i feel like we have a lot in common you and i camillo we operate on the same level give me i feel like this scales out to everything in your life so are you the type of guy like when you go on a trip for golf or whatever you're like these are my tuesday socks these are my wednesday socks this is my my thursday stuff is it all like is it that meticulous when you're like packing because I have friends that are like that and I'm like oh my god how do you do this man I've been through stages and and that was probably me at the beginning of my career I mean I've had a really long relationship with jay linderberg and and and we used to we've been on on every end of the spectrum I mean we've been on the on the colorful side early days crazy

and now if you watch me play golf, I'm either wearing all black or all white. So it's pretty easy now to do the packing. And people actually joke. It said, let me guess. What are you wearing tomorrow? All white.

What are you wearing tomorrow? All white. So that came actually, the old white, if you go back to when I won the golf tournaments on the PJ tour, I was wearing all white in a few of them, maybe three of them.

If I'm not, yeah, three of them. And then when we were in the hospital in Miami with Mia, and I decided to go play a corned ferry tour event in Jacksonville. So every time we went to the hospital, we were there for five months. We didn't like wearing dark colors. That was Maria, my wife's gig. She said, hey, I like light colors.

They just feel right. They feel better. They feel more happy. and when I got to start packing for that corn fairy event, I said, you know what, I'm just going to wear all white this week. And kind of stuck. I like it. So it's a little bit of, it's a little bit of in honor to my little angel up there.

You look much, on a joking note, you look much better in it than I do. But we got to talk a little bit about the Spider-Man because, I mean, that's what I think early on in your career. Everybody knew you for. First of, how did you come up with it? Second of all, I'm not doing it because I'll hurt myself. And did you rip any pairs of pants doing this motion? Absolutely, I rip a few pairs of pants.

And I'll tell you a good one from Hilton Head. So, 2005, Corn Ferry Tour, I wasn't putting great. And I always like when the green was kind of elevated and you can hop, You can get yourself in a bunker and you see the line like so good or just off the green. And I have like a 10, 15 footer, and I started getting lower, lower, lower. I'm not even thinking about what I'm doing. And I ended up somewhat in that position. And I made a 15 footer and a couple of holes later, I have a put that's very, very straight.

So I'm like, man, let's get lower again. Let's check this put out. and I started getting lower and I ended up in that position. I made the putt again. So people think it was something that I thought about to do it. And it wasn't. It just came natural. I made a few putts.

I used it on very, very straight putts. And then, to be honest, when my agent Clark Jones saw, he said, whatever you're doing, keep doing it. This could work out well for us. Did you ever have anywhere on, like, you get in the slippery, like, dormant Bermuda greens where you go to pick your ball up in the place? putter slides. You ever have any oopsies and just fall on? I don't remember, but let's go back to the ripped pants. So rip some pants on Hilton Head.

Good thing we're staying. I mean, Hilton had everything so close there. So we're staying there just 200 yards from the golf course. But it's ripped. So my wife's walking. She goes back to the thing, bring me some pants. And I'm like, I roll into somebody's house. they freaking open hey what happened boom all the pants are ripped change pants just like new come on let's keep it going Tom Kim looking up to you

maybe paying an homage to you at the President's Cup this is shout out to my guy Camillo Tom Kim man let me tell something we can talk about President's Cup it was top five weeks in my professional career wow I enjoyed it so much

Trevor Imelman was unbelievable. I mean, very, very inspirational. It was an honor for me to be part of that team, young team, dealing with all the controversy and things that the international team had to deal with before the event and getting there, getting off to a terrible start on Thursday and Friday, and then watching those boys battle and the team energy

and everything that happened that week was, was, was, was, was, was awesome. And I think the only thing the international team didn't win was the Cup. Other than that, they won a lot of fans. They won a lot of experience. The team got close together. They won the respect to the United States team. Absolutely. And we talked about it.

And I saw you on the, afterwards on the, on the party. And, and we got him nervous there for a little bit. I think the 17 and a half to 12 and a half doesn't really reflect how close it got for a little bit. But again, it was by far one of the best weeks of my life as a professional golfer, not swinging a golf club. Tom came out. That kid was very special. I had a chance to walk with him. A lot of the holes, we connected really good.

He connected great with everybody, but I connected good with him. And I had a chance to go out there. and I was amazed how much I was able to push him to the point where I got nervous at times. I look at Joe and I said, Joe, am I pushing him too much? He goes, no, keep pushing him. So let's go back to Saturday. Saturday, he plays in the morning and he plays with Siwu. No, sorry, he plays with K.H.

He's playing K.H. And him against Scotty and Sam Burns. and we are going, we are going, they're playing good here and there, they're down, then they get a little bit closer, and then in the back side, in the back nine, I go like, Tom, you have a chance to be number one in the world. Are you up for it? He goes, hell yeah, come on, let's do it. And I kept pushing him and pushing him. But when I say pushing him, it's like, you would make most players nervous with the stuff I was telling this kid. And every time I'm telling him something like that,

he's coming back to me with so much energy that I'm like, that's fine. I guess I'll keep going. They go and win that match. So we go in the, it's a quick turnaround. We go in there, we eat something, we get the draw. Who is he playing? Patrick Canley and Sander. Probably, I mean, I'm going to say one of the best U.S. team couples ever.

I don't know that those guys have lost many matches playing together. And I look at Tom, I said, Tom, this morning was pretty special, but your day's not over. He goes, what do you mean? He said, well, you got a chance now. You want to make this a historic day for you? You got to win this match. So sure enough, in the afternoon, I go out there, I'm walking with him, and I keep pushing, pushing, pushing, pushing, and he was up for it, man. And then the two iron he hit on the last hole was very, very special, very special, especially with what happened, which was pretty it was pretty interesting.

So I'm there with Trevor right next to him. But before we get to the ball, I see J.T. JT's been hanging around Tiger way too much, which is fine. So anyway, J.T. goes, and he goes right like about 15 yards behind Tom Kim, and he parks his cart right there. And he starts calling the other American teammates, and they all park their cars. And all of a sudden, Tom Kim is hitting two iron. I think Sam Burns is hitting nine iron or eight iron.

And here we go. Boom. Every American cart right there. And it was pretty cool to watch him pull that one off. He knew it though, too. Because after he brought it out, he's like, I turned around and I saw the entire American team behind me, and I just knew I had to hit a good shot. And that's one of the best iron shots he'll probably ever hit in his career, considering

the moment. We do before next year's president or the year after president's cup, we've got to work on the celebrations a little bit. Him and Siwu jumping up and down and the hugging, we got to work on that a little bit. Hey, but there were some good ones there. I mean, that hat throw wasn't bad. And this is what I told.

I mean, it's because I had a chance to walk him, I had a chance to walk another match with him in a Sander, and he lost with Sandra and can't leave, maybe the first or second day. But there he gave, Tom Kim throws a celebration on the 15th hole, this and that. He's so excited and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and

they're going to lose that match and um and I look at a Sandra and said hey was that fist bump to to win the match from Tom and we're laughing joking about it because but I said listen he's 20 years old that's what he wants he wants to celebrate he wants to be here that's so so it was it was pretty special looking back do you wish that y'all would have put Tom out earlier on Sunday just because of he had the crowd behind him.

I mean, the crowd absolutely loved Tom Kim. I would have bet my life he would have gone out first or second. And he didn't go out until 10th against Maxim. I know y'all had y'all's whole plan with analytics and everything, but just looking back as an entertainment perspective, do you wish you would have to put him out a little earlier? Yes and no, or no and yes, because we wanted Sewell to play JT. Is there a lot? Do you want to give us a reason why? Is there rationale behind that?

No, I think Siwu was the right guy to play JT. I mean, we've seen, like I told you, I mean, JT's been hanging around, Target a little too much, which is fine. But we've seen JT at this team events and how excited he gets and how crazy he gets. And, and I mean, JT's a stud. And we felt like Siwu was the guy that could be playing against him and never just get intimidated. So it was very interesting

doing that draw. I mean, doing the first few days, the teams, it's easier. But when you have 12 guys and you've got to pair them, it's not as easy. I mean, you're going to, you're going to get some that you win,

some that you lose. And yes, we had a lot of analytics and a lot of stuff. And I think our overall matchups came out good. Obviously, after the fact, you wish maybe Tom would have been a little bit early because I walked with him. He was like three up on that match.

And then I said like, hey, I need to go support some other guys thinking that he was doing okay. And then I left him. And then he started to realize that maybe we were not going to win. And then he lost a little bit of energy. And maybe he was a little bit tired. And he ended up losing that match. So but again, it's very, very easy to look back on the rearview mirror. It's, I think, I think everything that came out that week was solid.

other than the fact that the first two days the American team really, really outpotted us. If you look back at it, you know, you mentioned the score wasn't as close as it was, 17 and a half, 12 and a half. I mean, there was, I think seven matches went to 18. I mean, you flip a few of those, it's right there. But going forward, I mean, going forward, you know, there's all this talk, like, should we change the President's Cup? Should we change the format to make it more competitive? I mean, I think y'all are starting to get in a pretty good spot right now with all these young kids up and coming. I think I wasn't part of the Australian team when they played in Australia.

But I heard it was very special. I think I heard Ernie did a great job. And again, I had a chance to be next to Trevor there when he named me assistant captain, which again was an honor for me. And to watch him work and to watch him, his attention to detail, and to watch him try to get this team united and excited and it was pretty cool. to be there with Scotty on his 10th President's Cup, to watch him interact with his younger kids,

motivate him, tell them stories, was awesome. To have Tom Kim is speaking perfect English and helping us make a nice bridge to the Korean culture. And those guys are funny, I'm telling you, those Koreans are, they're great. We just don't know their side, but when it was we made it we did a trip we did a trip a Monday Tuesday after two championship and that was one of my purposes my purposes was was to hang around the Koreans

more because you know I mean you got KJ here and K and he wants to they they go together they hang together and and I'm like you know what man I'm just going to dig in there and I'm going to go have noodles with them and so one day we go and have this huge meal huge meal at this one of Trevor's best friends at the house and they have steak, they have everything. We get back to the hotel. So we want to talk a little bit strategy. We want to have a drink. So we all go upstairs. And all of a sudden here comes all the Korean guys with some bags. And I'm like, what are you guys going to do? And I'm like, you guys are hungry? And I'm like, you guys are hungry? What do you mean? We just ate so much food. Oh, yeah, yeah. We need more food. We got some noodles.

So I guess they Uber eat some noodles. They get there. And then I go and sit down. with them talking, talking crap with them. And then Tom King goes like, Camillo, have you ever had some of these noodles? Yeah, I have had some of these noodles. He goes, but they haven't been prepared by a Korean. Let me prepare some noodles. So I sit there and we have noodles with those guys. And again,

that was great in terms of the President's Cup. It was getting to know those guys a little bit better, being able to pair them with different guys from different parts of the world, perform well. And just that international team atmosphere was pretty special this year.

Yeah, it looked like that. And Tom Kim ended up being like kind of the quote-unquote leader, I guess, of that team via his play, right? Because he was playing, he was kind of the firecracker for the internationals. Was he that leader in the locker room like from day one? Or did he kind of work his way into that being that he was winning some points? He was so excited to be there. He was like a very good professional 20-year-old. So he would go to the locker.

He come with a set of headphones. I don't have no clue what he was listening. We had these locker rooms that looked like kind of football and locker rooms all open. And he gets there and he's freaking singing. He's jumping. And he's got, I don't know why he's got going on. He's getting just, he's just getting pumped. And yeah, that was that was him, good energy all week.

Yeah, he's a stud. Who would you say just quickly, who was the MVP of the after party? Because first off, the internationals blew away. the Americans in the after party. No doubt about that. Who would you say put on the show? We had a cool team room. Once again, Trevor did a good job.

We had a DJ there a whole week, DJ the whole week. We had some nice couches, this, that. We got a bar open all week. It was pretty cool. And then sure enough, a party comes, and that's where we ended up hanging all of us. And I don't know.

I mean, it wasn't me or you. Sung-J looked like he's in the, running. Sanjay was good. Sanj was unbelievable. You know what's very, you know what's very interesting? How can you get out there and dance like that without having one drink? I can't do. No chance. Those guys don't drink. No. So we had a little thing going with this little, this tiny little cup and we have a little champagne in it and just just taking little sips like this. So now we, we're like, okay, Tom, you need, it's your turn. Tom Kim goes and looks at this thing.

He goes, I've never had a drink. And he just keeps staring at it. He's like, you want to taste it? And he goes like, I don't think I can do this. And we were laughing, man. He was great. It was a great time. Not only that, we had him on like the following week.

And he said, that was his first ever party. That was the first party. So yeah, you're not going to do a lot of drinking, I guess, if he ain't party. And he's 20. So, of course, he's a law-abiding guy. That explains it. Maybe we need to take him to Colombia. I don't know if he's ready for that.

All right, we've got to get to the E9 before we run out of time here. Camillo, we do this with everyone. Nine fun questions. Hey, wait, wait. I got to tell you a tiger story. Oh, then share the Tiger Story. Oh, yes, go.

Of course. We don't like Tiger Stories. Nobody likes those here. I know. I mean, I've listened to your podcast here and there, and there's always somebody telling Tiger stories, but I got a good one. So I'm with IMG.

And 2008, they tell me, hey, you want to play the skins game in Thailand? And I'm like, well, I'm going to be playing Bahrain the week before. And then I go to Perth, Australia the following week. How am I going to get this freaking Monday skins game in Thailand? I can't connect the dots. He goes, well, Paul Casey is playing in Bahrain, and maybe we can get a plane for you to take you to Thailand.

And then what? How am I going to get from Thailand to Perth as well? Well, Tigers playing the Skins game and Tigers playing Perth. Maybe we can get you on the plane with Tiger. And well, if that's the case, I'm in. I'm playing skins game. So sure, we play Bahrain. We get to Thailand.

We have a long day in Thailand. We finish and then kind of, I think it was almost midnight. We hop on Tigers plane. Now we're heading to Perth. So we got on the plane and I'm tired, man. All I want to do is sleep. And Tiger's like, this lady comes, oh, hey, guys, what are you going to drink?

right there with Stiney and Stevie. Hey, what do you guys want to drink? And I said, well, I'll take a water. And Tiger looks at me, and he gives me this look and goes like, dude, you just won the Skins game? Come on, don't be able to have a little freaking wine or whatever with me. So sure enough, I said, hey, bring me a glass of red wine. So they bring me this big glass of red wine. We turn around, we're talking, this, that story back and forth.

And sure enough, the plane's going to take off. I asked for water and I forgot the wine. And we start going like this. And all I can hear is click. I look to my right and there's red wine flying everywhere. Igers to my left, he looks and goes, nice. And I'm like, I start sweating, dude. I'm sweating here.

I'm seeing this. I'm sweating. So finally we take off, we level a little bit. This lady comes with wine out and she's going to start cleaning And I said, no, no, no, no, no, you're not going to clean that. I'm going to clean that. Let me see, let me have that. I'm on the floor for about 40 minutes, dude, trying to get this thing out.

It's side panel. It's the chair. It's the carpet. And sure enough, this is not coming out. So finally, I turn around, look at tag, I said, bro, just send this thing to clean. Send me the bill. So sure enough, we keep going, boom. About a month later, I asked, a stiny, did they clean the plane?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever. And then another month later, I go, Stanley, they clean that plane. I said, well, it's not coming out. But so about three, four months later, I get to Tiger's event. So we're in Sherwood Country Club. And I get there and I open my locker and I have a little envelope there. And I'm like, hmm, what's this? Open the thing.

Sure enough, from ETW to Camillo Vigegas, attention to my financial guy. blah, blah, blah, invoice, cleaning of the plane, 25,000. And I'm like, I wonder if they're messing with me. I keep asking Steinie, if this transfer the funds, following bank account, boom, boom, information, everything. They goes by and I don't see Tiger. And then sure enough, like I told you earlier today, earlier today, I said, like 6, 6.15 a.m. I'm walking down to the gym.

Who's coming up? Tiger. Elevator opens, and I see Tiger. And I don't know how in the world I came up with this. But I look at Tiger, I said, hey, T, I got that invoice in the locker, and I'm having some problems. He goes, what do you mean? I said, yeah, man, I couldn't transfer the funds. And then I finally pick up the phone.

I call this lady on your bank. And I said, listen, I need to transfer $25,000 to this bank account. And the lady just goes, sorry, Camilo, that bank account is full. You can't fit a penny in there. And I can see Tiger's face. And honestly, to this day, one, I don't know if he thought it was funny. and two, that was the last time, I've been on that plane. That's good.

It's full. It's that capacity, dude. Can't get another penny in there. Tell him just buy a new plane, dude. That is incredible. That's an expensive glass of wine. That's a... By the way, that Skins game, I believe, was at Amata Spring over in Thailand.

I was just there. Saw your beautiful mug in the clubhouse there. Still got it up. There you go. Yeah, you're still there. There you go. That's a great story. That's awesome.

All right. Let's get to the E9. We ask this to everyone, Camila. You can be anyone else other than yourself for a day, dead or alive. Who would you be? Oh, man. Oh, I guess everybody wants to be somebody famous or somebody that's being very successful, this and that. You're both of us.

I think I'm going to switch it. I'm going to, I want to be a kid again, man. I want to be like five-year-old where there's no worries. There's no nothing. You don't really know exactly how this world works. and it's all naivness and just happiness. And that'll be cool. And it goes back to what we talk about.

I mean, maybe knowing a little bit too much. I like that. That's a thoughtful answer. My son is 11 months. And trust me, I look at him and he goes in the gym with me and there's zero words in that little kid's mind.

Yeah, that's an enviable position. That's a good answer. We've had anything from, we get Tiger a lot. We've also had Jesus, I think. So that's the spectrum. Those two might actually be close to one another on the spectrum. But all right, next question.

I know you're a big shoe guy too, big fashion, but big into the shoes. If you got to go into your house and you can only come out with one pair, the rest are gone. What's the number one pair of shoes for Camillo? Ooh. J-1 is low. And this is actually interesting. But I have a special pair that I was wearing the day we lost our little daughter.

and it was like kind of somewhat rainbow colors and she loved all that stuff and now that's kind of where the foundation and the rainbows on the foundation came about and that would be my parent. All right. Next one, 2006. You won Sexiest Man on the PGA Tour. Do you think if Harry Higgs had already turned professional

he would have stolen that crown from you? Absolutely, man. I love Harry. Who doesn't love Harry? If you're going to lose to anyone losing to Harry, not at all that bad. Yeah, I'll play with that. I don't think they vote on that anymore. If guys get too sensitive. Yeah, you can't even do that. It's like offensive.

Yeah, I know. It's offensive now to be sexy. That's why I had to quit the game. All right, here you go, Camilla. If you had to give up, you had to give up one of these things for an entire year, but money does not factor into the equation, okay? Which would you rather give up? Playing golf or riding your bike?

I'll give up and riding my bike. the game of golf no not really I mean a lot of people think a little bit like that just because I'm so passionate about the about the cycling but to be honest

hey I'm so grateful for the game of golf the game of golf has given me so many things I love the game of golf I love having something else to do and another passion but hey golf will golf will always be number one interesting sometimes you play it long enough

it becomes work and I see you're a big deal on that bike you're a big deal on that bike yeah I know what you mean. Yeah, yeah. All right, that's love for the game. All right, next one.

True or false, your junior year at Florida, you got so swole in your upper body. They barred you from lifting weights, your junior year. No, false. Coach lied to me. There you go. We got shit sources. He wanted me to slow down, but he wanted me to slow down. I was doing double sessions.

I was going in the morning without the team. I was going in the afternoon with the team. with the team and and and it's funny when you start seeing benefit on on on on on on that fitness i was starting hit it farther and i was getting better and i so he did wanted me to slow down but i let's knock around first team all-american first team all-american and third your junior year it's because you got too bulky so we had to kick him out of the gym for a little while no no hey listen i won twice that third year and i got third team all-american so so so i don't know who was giving the awards that year. I was not very the most consistent guy, but I came back the fourth year with

first female American. So yeah, that's, you're shit. All these committees in college are trash. I would put you first. All right, get back to the little fashion question. You've been, I would say, a fashion leader on the PJ tour ever since you came out. Give me one guy right now that you think has the best style on tour. Oh, right now. He's gotten better. He has gotten a lot better. Who, who, who, who dress is good. I like clean, you know what? I think, I think not talking about Jay Lindelbrough, I like what a, I like what Grayson

is doing with their clean looks. So guys that wear Grayson look, look pretty good when they wear it clean. Harry Higgs wears Grayson. Be sexiest and best dress. That wouldn't be fair. That wouldn't be fair. All right. Next one.

What is a bigger number? per green in regulation or your body fat percentage what's a bigger number oh really is that a question i don't know how's your putter been lately yeah depends how you're rolling it dude get up this it's a toss-up i think i can put the best i ever put and the body fat will still be lower than the puts per green regulation what are you what is the body fat percentage i don't know i don't do it as like i used to but i don't know okay at your best i'd say at your lowest Yeah, mid-force. Wow. Oh, my God.

Yeah. That wasn't, that was, but that wasn't healthy. Those are, those are those, that was, that wasn't, that wasn't healthy. I mean, that was kind of somewhere in college there. And, and, and again, those obsessions are what make you good to a point only when you, if you realize that, that you got to ease up a little bit on the obsessions. I mean, to play, to be a professional athlete, you got to, you. You've got to be somewhat crazy. You've got to have something wrong with you.

You've got to be obsessive. You've got to be crazy. You've got to have all this characteristics that are going to get you there. But you've got to manage them to. Mid-fors, huh? Wow. Doesn't seem sustainable. That's about right here.

See this little fellow? There is. All right. Last one for me, Camilla. How many pro-ams have you played in your life where someone in the group did not attempt to do the Spider-Man? And they'd be like, hey, look at me, Camillo. That's a good question.

I still take pictures, man. I'm telling you, I get the pro-am group and say, listen, I haven't seen you do the Spider-Man all day. Can we take a picture? I said, sure, let's do it. We'll still do it here and there. And then they do it, and they're like, am I the first guy? You ever seen this?

Ever seen this little joke I got? Yeah, it's good. All right. Last one. You're going to take every dollar you have. You have to wager this on who is going to have the higher SAT score. And you have to pick one side. You got Matt Evry or you got Billy Horshiel.

Who you putting your money on? Oh, my God. Well, Billy tries to sound pretty smart, but Matt is smarter than people think. So you're going with Matt? It feels like a Matt. I mean, Billy might get mad, but I'm going to go with Matt. Okay, sorry, Billy Hope. That's all right.

If you combine their two scores, do they get into Harvard? Negative. No, I'm kidding. Boston College. Awesome. All right. Well, Camillo, man, we really appreciate it, as always. And everyone out there, it's listen.

Mia's miracles.org. Go out there, donate, help out of great cause. But Camillo, really appreciate it, man. That was fun. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it, man. We'll do it again. buddy.

All right. That was Camillo Vajgas, joining us on Golf Subbar. How about the Tiger Wood story? Tiger, I don't want to drink. Where you're drinking? Well, shit. It just cost me $25,000. I want to know if he was ever,

if he ever took it or he was just fucking with him. I just love what Camillo said he called the bank lady. She goes, we can't move that money. That accounts full. It's good. Yeah, sorry. Sorry, we cannot take any more deposit. This one's maxed out.

Luckily, he's got five of them, though. You got five of them. One of them's got room. And on a serious note, though, what his family has gone through with the loss of their young daughter. If you're out there and you have the ability to help, meas miracles.org, you can go donate anything, man. It's a great cause. I feel so bad for him. He's such a great dude, him and his wife Maria, to have to go through that.

I can't imagine going through that. It's just so tragic. As a guy that's got two little girls now that thought of that happening, I don't, there's not another thing in the world that could be possibly as bad as that. and Camillo is like a testament to Camillo the way he's handled it like I haven't seen it all but I've read his interviews I've seen his interviews as he was going through it and I was like I cannot imagine handling it as well as he has

and now he's turned it into something positive too with me as miracles so yeah absolutely if you're able to support that it's that's about as good of a cause as there is out there in the world for sure really enjoyed Camila it was so cool to you know hear his about his experience at the president's cup being an assistant

captain saying it was one of the best weeks of his golfing life. Like how much fun he had, you know, obviously getting to know Tom Kim, seeing that little guy's energy going out there. And if they put on a show there, Quahalo, I'm excited for the President's Cup going forward. I think this thing's going to continue to get better and better and be more and more competitive. I don't want to like over harp on the, you know, meaning of having one guy on that team. But everyone we've talked to, I feel like the energy of Tom Kim was, like, infectious in that international team room. And people, like, rallied behind that, especially for such a young kid and a rookie.

that's crazy impressive. Also, one last thing I thought was pretty cool about Camillo. Like, Colt, you were out there, you were with him on the range, a ton of places. But when I've asked questions, like, who's the hardest worker? Who's one of the guys that you think works the hardest on their game at tournaments, away from tournaments, all that? Camillo was a name that always came up, like, one of a few guys. And then when he talks about being a young guy and Vijay Singh was kind of his mentor,

and he speaks on his work. Like, I couldn't even, he was like, all right, dude, I got it. We're hitting bunker shots. Like, let's be done. I just like all the BJ's tails. you hear in the stories about how hard he grinded like they're they're true 100% but that was a lot of fun with camillo and the good news keeps coming to these we got a new sponsor joining us yes we do and just in time for the holiday shout out to the boys over at link soul they are coming aboard and that is

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I like that a lot. All right, let's get to some gambling. We're going to put our golf picks out later on in the week because it's Sunday night and the odds aren't out yet. But we do got some football. You have been on an absolute heater. Your frogs are riding high. Looking good for a chance to get in that college football playoffs. They keep on winning.

They got the Baylor Bears this weekend? Got the Baylor Bears. I'll go ahead and just get mine out of the way. I told you earlier. I'm done not picking them every single time. You got a rider to us your bucks you, and they ain't bucking right now. I'm going TCDU minus two and a half in Baylor against the bears,

or excuse me, at Baylor, against the boys from Waco. So I'm going to keep riding them. Coming off an L with Alabama, like I said, I was hoping we'd get the pissed off Alabama. I didn't quite get it, didn't cover, so I got to come back, correct, get back hot again. Who you got? All right.

big game number three michigan is at home against illinois illinois's catching 17 and a half i don't think they're as bad as people think they are i like them getting that many many points in the big house 17 and a half illinois illinois love that throw a little dog in the mix we're heavy faves i feel like on this show so throw throw a little dog into the mix there you know i mean for sure you got to got to take the points sometimes love it one last thing i do got to just absolutely just hate all over Mike McCarthy real quick. Dallas Cowboys. Just a heartbreaking loss to the Packers. God, just ruined my day.

Not kicking the field goal in overtime, going for it on fourth and three. I just, I don't know. I don't get it. I'm over it. He pissed me off. I hate the Cowboys again. That's the good news about the Broncos being complete dog shit is that nothing they do even pisses me off.

I'm like, yep, we stink and I expect to never score. And we had a nice little second half today, Colt, uh, six possessions, I believe. Uh, six punts or, excuse me, seven possessions, six punts and a pick. That was our second half. But you got Russell Wilson, man. 230 million. He's rich. He does a lot of commercials. Everything's good. Let's ride. That's ride. That's right.

Still not riding fucking anywhere, Russ. All right. Everyone, have a great week. We'll talk to out next week's golf set far.