Subpar - Charles Howell III Interview: Sneaking onto Augusta National as a kid, experiencing Tiger Woods’ competitive drive first hand

Episode Date: May 24, 2022

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, 3-time PGA Tour winner Charles Howell III joins former PGA Tour pro Colt Knost and jicky jack legend Drew Stoltz for an exclusive interview. The Augusta, Georgia native talks sneaking onto Augusta National as a kid, his decision to turn pro after winning the NCAA Championship and what it's been like competing with Tiger Woods throughout his career. --- Thanks to our official sponsor Dewar's. Make sure to check out their Reserve Bar listings today: https://www.reservebar.com/collections/house-of-dewars This episode was possible in part thanks to our partnership with TaylorMade.  If you want to step into every shot you face and think, “I love it,” try the most complete ball in golf. Head to TaylorMadeGolf.com and use the promo code SUBPAR for free shipping. This week's episode is presented by FanDuel Sportsbook. If you've never tried FanDuel Sportsbook, what are you waiting for? Go to https://www.fanduel.com/subpar or download the FanDuel Sportsbook app to get started. Be sure to sign up with promo code SUBPAR so they know we sent you. Disclaimer: 21+ and present in AZ, CO, CT, IA, IL, NJ, NY, or WY. 1st online real money wager only. $10 first deposit required. Bonus issued as non-withdrawable site credit that expires 14 days after receipt. Restrictions apply. See full terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), Call 1-800-522-4700 (CO), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (NJ, IA, IL), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY(467369) (NY), or 1-800-522-4700 (WY).

Hello, world. Welcome back to Golf Subpar, Colt Nost and Drew Stoltz coming at you. Second major of the year is in the books. And what a week it was for our man, Justin Thomas, who picked up his second major title and his second PGA championship. Sleith, the man played a hell round of golf on Sunday. You got to give it to him. Coming from seven shots back, I was doing a little research talking with McCord. The last 33 major champions have been within four shots of the lead going into the last day. I think if you would have told JT on Saturday night, hey, you're going to shoot 67. I don't know if he would have thought that would have been enough to get it done.

I thought maybe I didn't expect all those guys at the top of the leaderboard to play well, given the lack of experience, I guess, in major championships outside of Will Zalotaurus. But damn, it lined up and everything kind of went the way. Mito Pereira was doing just enough to hang around, hang around, hang around, hang around, made some great up and downs. And then you don't know how you're going to feel in that 70-second hole with a lead. So you get there and damned if he didn't slip one out to the right. and it was brutal to see them make double bogey there.

I thought bogey would have been, you could just blow it left and probably make a bogey anywhere. But like I said, so you get in that spot, it's a lot easier to say something when you're sitting on your couch, saying, how do you miss that thing right than it is when you're actually on the tee in that situation? But, dude, honestly, I think the two best guys

at the end of the day came down in that playoff, Willis Al Torres, Justin Thomas. And, dude, Justin Thomas in that playoff, maybe minus the tee ball off of the first hole in the 13th hole, the par five that just caught up in the right rough. You didn't miss a shot. I think they were within feet of, where he was looking every single time.

And not many guys can do it under that kind of pressure. That was beast performance by him in that playoff. I mean, the man's got some balls. You can't ever, you know, argue with that. It's pressure. You know, I said it on the broadcast, like the touch shots that he hit, the bunker shot on 14, the bunker shot on 16, even the one on 17 in regulation.

And then to go down there and hit the drive off 18, the eight iron in there to 10 feet, I know he missed the put, but to hit those shots under the, you know, the largest pressure of the week, I thought was just so cool and so impressive to watch. You know, and like you said, he went to the playoff, he didn't miss a shot. You go there and you have 79 yards off a slight downhill lie with some firm greens. I mean, you know, most of the field, in my opinion, probably would have got on top of that ball a little bit, trapped it and pulled it left,

but he hits it in there six feet below the hole and makes birdie. I can't just, I can't tell you how impressed I am with him. And the stones, this guy's got it. It's something special. You know, it's second major title, and he's going to keep on rolling. But this locks up a Hall of Fame career already. Yeah, now we're going to start queuing up the Who's got the better career at this point. Jordan Speed, Justin Thomas, that'll take the place of the Hovlin, Morikawa,

Wulf debate that went on for so long. And I think, honestly, dude, the most impressive thing from that playoff was, all right, he misses that drive on the first hole in the 13th, just in the right rough. He didn't have that long to go. I think a lot of guys in that situation, especially with Zal Tors sitting in the middle of the fairway, center stripe, he flicked a six iron up there. You got to figure he's going to make birdie right there. I think if a lot of guys felt like they could get enough club on the ball just to clear the lake,

they probably would have tried to force it up there and get a chip or something. It could have squirted it. A lot of different things could have happened. Justin Thomas just casually flicks it down there. He's got 79 yards off the downslope. And like there's not a guy on the planet for my money that I'd rather have hitting that little off speed, low, zizzar, and he hit it in there six feet under the hole. And once he made that, I was like, this is this.

He ain't going to, he ain't going to flop. Like, Will's going to have to do something. and he's going to have to go birdie-burdy, but Justin Thomas ain't taking a step back. And then the three-wood on 17, dude, which was just a joke. I mean, it looked like the one he hit in regulation, just faded maybe a yard or two more. It caught that little downslope chase under the top tier.

And then going into 18, he gets that bebe little fade like he hit in Regulation 2. And as soon as Will hit his ball and it came up short. I was like, this thing's 25 feet left of the hole, right on the top of the tier. I guarantee it. There's not going to be any flinch in this golf swing. And damn defeated it. He makes it look easy.

When you just saw Mito Pereira, was in the exact same situation, make it look not easy. And that's the difference. Yeah, you got to feel for Mito a little bit, obviously. I mean, you know, he didn't make a golf swing that looked like that, the other 71 holes. It was, you know, that pressure's a crazy thing. And I feel bad for him.

You know, I mean, he's obviously his first PGA championship. It was a huge stage. I mean, it was his to lose. And he didn't hit the shot he needed to hit. It was, I wish the people at home, could understand like how nervous those guys are and what nerves do to these the best players in the world. I mean, he was in control all week. And then he goes, he makes a golf swing literally that, I mean, Charles Barkley. That fall through. It was a little with that speed, I was like,

I don't know if you could ask him to stop on the range, but like stop your fall through when your hands read just before they get to your belt. Like you, it's hard to do that. And that just shows you how like crippling that pressure is. And that's what makes it so much more impressive that Justin Thomas feeling that same stuff. He's in the same situation. He makes it look easy. You know, it's just you got to be in the arena a few times and getting that situation before you know you're going to react. But like Mito just as the day went on and on, he made those incredible saves on nine and ten. I thought those were huge turning points for him. I was like, that might calm the nerves. That might get him back into it. But as a day went on,

the fall through seemed to be getting shorter. The ball fright seemed to be getting lower. And the drive on 18 honestly wasn't that bad of a drive. He didn't miss it by like 25 yards or something. He just missed it in the one spot where it's going to become really tough to make a buggy. Could have blown it way left, but like I said, until you're in there and you're the one holding that driver. I mean, even in his interview with Amanda, he's like, dude, I was so nervous. I don't even know what was going on. By the way, props to him for going out there and giving that interview. If he gets in his rental car and drives straight to his hotel, straight to the airport, nobody bats an eye. You're like, yeah, dude, the guy just had his guts ripped out on national

TV. But he went there and gave an interview, kind of self-deprecating, laughed about it a little bit when you know deep down he was hurting as bad as he's ever hurting golf. So I don't want to see anybody skipping out on interviews from this point forward. If Mito can come up there after making. can double to lose a major championship, you can come out there and say something no matter what. Yeah, that was props to him. I mean, that was, that was very, very impressive. That had to be tough. But by the way, they don't have rental cars with the PJ Championship. So they have courtesy cars. Uber, rental car, Cadillac, Uber, Blade, anything that's getting the hell out of the parking lot of Southern Hills, I wouldn't blame them if he was on it. They had beautiful, brand new Cadillac Escalades

driving around. So they were in good shape. But man, I feel for them. I really do. That's a, you don't know how many chances you're going to get to win a major. He had a beautiful chance and just, you know, didn't execute at the time, but ended up having Justin Thomas and Will Zaltors. I mean, a superstar pairing in the playoff. A lot of fun to watch. I mean, both majors have been awesome. Scottie Schaeffler getting the win at Augusta. Justin Thomas here. I can't wait for the U.S. Open at Brookline, which we're going to be there. You got to wait to get amongst doers there at Brookline. Oh, you bet your ass, buddy, because the U.S. Open is where golf's elite come together to determine the world's best. This year, the tournament is being held at

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perfect Scotch Whiskey for celebrating everything great about golf. That's the only way to celebrate with a nice little crispy doers, obviously. I celebrated quite a bit last night's sleeves for my man, J.T. Awesome to watch. Was so pumped for him. By the way, I don't know if you remember this. Someone would remind me on Twitter. think you and I might be sporting some new watches pretty soon. I had, I never crossed my mind. I started getting some meshes like, is that a real thing? Did we just make a deal with JT?

Like, hey, if you win a major, get a watch? I'm going to have a, as much as I like free shit, Colt, I'm going to probably have a tough time accepting a new timepiece just because another dude played a good golf tournament. But you know what? If he feels so obligated, then so be it. Maybe a Daytona, Rose Gold. Who knows?

I'm just throwing it out there, JT, if you're listening. Man, it was cool. I was, I was, I was, I had him in the playoff. and then when he finished, you know, we're supposed to be, we're not supposed to be biased during these, there's any telecast, but, you know, I'm out there rooting for my man JT when he won. I unplug the mic, got down there on 18th Green,

I had to congratulate him. It was super pumped. I tell you what, he is, he's been knocking on the door. He has not won since the players back in 2020. And, man, he's had so many close calls. Huge win for him and bones. Very, very pumped for both of them.

And how about just his arsenal? Like, go back to that player's win. 18th hole, I think it was the five wood that he turned down and hit that slinging draw. All right, a lot of guys can hit that. Not a lot of guys have the balls to hit that on the 72nd hole of the players. You go to this thing, the little low BB bullet fades. You know, you saw the knockdown wedge on the layup on the part five. Like, he's got all the shots.

Everyone talks about his arsenal. There's a lot of guys that can hit shots. There's not a lot of guys that have the balls to pull him out in the crunch time at a major championship. And that's a big difference with JT. No doubt. I've said it for years. He hits the shot that is required at the time. And that is just so impressive.

If it's a pitching wedge from 100 yards, he's not scared to slow it down, knock it down, and hit it in there. That's what he does. But it's so impressive to watch. And I got the pleasure of following Roy McRoy this weekend, Sleeves. And I think I recruited our newest scramble partner. My God, can I please play from those T shots? It is a joke.

It's $3.50 in the center of every fairway. It is something special to watch. Literally, if I had any hair, I'd probably pull the rest out. it drives me nuts watching him play golf because the man I feel like should win pretty much every time he teased it up it is something special but if he ever figures out how to dial in the wedge game dialing the short irons it's going to be scary the first round he averaged 370 plus averaged off the tee and had like they had like nine or 10 drives over 350 and i was like dude how do you how do you not i don't even care if you're hitting it in the

rough unless you're quackies out of bounds if you're moving it down there 360 plus on every old golf game, the game of golf becomes slightly easier than everything else. I mean, his talent level is a joke. It's just the difference is like when he clicks, we can see him boat race fields and win by huge margins. But when it's not, it seems like other guys know how to like grind it out and get maybe their, you know, B plus game and still put a score in the house. And I don't feel like Roy does that quite as well as some of those other guys.

But from a talent perspective, I mean, dude, it's just a joke. When he's hitting that thing good, I'm not sure there's a bigger weapon in all of golf than Rory's driver. if that thing's dialed, it's just dirt nap for everybody. I said it on air. I said he needs a permit to carry that thing around. It's ridiculous. Like, it is absolutely not fair where he drives it.

His drives alone on Thursday, I think, covered the whole state of Oklahoma. I mean, they were just absolutely shipped out there. But, man, it's hard to believe. That's the first time I've actually followed him, you know, multiple days in a row. To see where he drives it. It's just crazy to me that he hasn't won a major since 2014. team. He still got a lot left in the tank. I think he's going to get it done. But how about our guest this week? Sleece? We got a veteran. The man who's played a million PGA tour events with a

million top tens. Just an incredible career. Charles Howland third. The dude just prints and has been Britain since he came out of Oklahoma State. It's just like he's one of those guys that just, I mean, I think that we even talked to him about it. Like has he won as much as many times as people might have expected? No, probably not. He admits that same thing too. But dude, you'd have a hard time finding more than a handful of guys that would not line up to take that golf career, just over and over, never really even had to fight for his card. Just it's locked every single time. Top 10s, what, he got 98 top 10s in his career. I mean, it's a joke how well he's played for so long without really ever having like a struggle. It's hard to play golf

for 20 years and not go through a patch of two or three years or something where things aren't clicking he had not it. I don't know what that's like. All right. Well, let's get to it. Let's get to the ATM machine. Charles Howell III on Golf Subpar. All right, our guest today turned pro out of Oklahoma State back in 2000, and the man has not stopped printing paper since. He's got three wins on the PJA tour, over 600 starts and just a smooth little 98 top tens in his career. Charles Howell III is with us? How you doing, brother? Man, I'm good. I appreciate you guys having me on. I, like I said earlier, I've watched a bunch of your shows.

So I'm glad to now be sitting on the set here with you. Pleasure to have you. We are looking forward to this one. It's going to be a lot of fun. But you grew up in Augusta, Georgia, obviously, home of the masters and everything. Started golf at a young age, like a lot of superstars on the PGA tour. At what age did you know, like, okay, I'm all in on golf? Well, you know, growing up in Augusta made it easy because, I mean, you know, as kids growing up playing golf, we weren't the cool kids.

We weren't playing basketball or soccer. So Augusta made it easy for that. We had a great junior program with John Engler, Scott Ball Piddo, a whole bunch of guys that went on to play college golf. And so it kind of made it easy. We all got pretty serious early. I mean, I remember telling my parents when I was 10, I wanted to play golf on the PGA tour.

Now, I mean, 10-year-old say a lot of things, right? But we were all, I mean, we were all in early. Tell me this growing up in Augusta, because I was reading about this. As a kid, used to sneak on to Augusta National. Is that right? And go out there and hit shots and hit putts. Is this accurate? This feels like some sort of federal crime.

Okay. Yes. Federal crime, yes. So, you know, the ninth hole at Augusta Hunter Club, where we all grew up, ran right behind the 12th Green in Augusta. So, you know, we could kind of slip in through there a little bit, run down to the 12th green. The back bunker usually we got to before we got in trouble.

a little bit of chipping, a little bit of putting, and then run back. Inevitably, securities top in the hill on 11 as we're out there for about 10 minutes. But, oh, yeah, they've since bought more land back there and fixed that problem. But, yeah, we had some fun back there. And now there's cameras and snipers all over the place. No chance that's happening. I thought the fence would be electric or something. Did you get volts?

Did you ever get, you never got caught, obviously? Did they know it was you? No. Oh, of course they did. They knew it was all of us. But no, we never got caught per se. But yes. today's Augustin, actually, there would be. There would be lasers. There would be cameras.

There would be everything. You would never play there again. Let's say that. They know everything. What would your parents do if you got, if you came home and the police officer's holding your arm like, hey, Mr. Mrs. Howley, your boy just got caught chipping on the 12th green at Augusta. That feels like a problem. My dad would ask me, how did you hit your chip? How close was it? Did you fat it back there into the grain? And yeah, that'd be the end of it. Yeah, that's awesome. What's your first memory of, going to the Masters or anything like that? So,

well, first memory, I was seven years old and I watched Larry Mice win. I watched him beat Greg Norman in a playoff. And it was the worst best first memory ever because as a kid, I thought, well, guys from Augusta must win this thing all the time. Oh,

yeah. But yes, that was my first Augustine National memory. One of my best non-playing memories. Nick Faldo paired with Greg Norman, obviously, and their Sunday epic match there. And I walked all 18 holes with David Ledbetter. And so, you know, David's coaching Nick Faldo as, you know, Greg Norman is, you know, letting go of his lead and whatnot. And just the fans, the fans' reaction, the reaction to David, who was coaching Faldo, because obviously Greg was love.

Everyone wanted to see Greg win. I mean, that day was surreal. Was T-Bones still the spot back when you were going up? Colton and I just got back from Augusta a little bit ago. That was our first run with T-Bones, and it was incredible. Absolutely. T-Bones and French Market Grill is the other one. When you go back, you've got to go there.

I think I have a permanent bar stool at T-Bones now. I logged some hours there during the Masters this year. Dude, how good is it, though? It's the spot. I mean, the atmosphere is great. They stay up until 2 in the morning. It's fantastic. Correct.

And it's right down Washington Road. It's just down from Augusta National. It's perfect. And everyone's in there. You walk in, you in, you might see Jim Nance, Darius Rucker was in there. Nobody cares. Everybody just, you know, going, like milling about. Nobody seems to really give a shit who walks through the door.

It's awesome. It's like cheers. No, no, not at all. And because Augusta is used to it, right? I mean, you've got the masters every year, which I had no idea as a kid growing up how spoiled we were. I mean, we have the masters here every year. I just assumed it was a normal of a bit. And boy, was that wrong.

Yeah, it's definitely not normal. How old were you when you first played August? National. So I was 10 years old the first time I played. It's, there was a heart searching in town who brought us out. My dad and I and I play way up T's and on some holes I teed off kind of from the start of the fairway and but yeah, I've 10 years old the first time and it was it was just awesome. Is that like the youngest ever to play around in the Guston National? Probably. Besides some member of grandson, probably. That's incredible.

You probably got to 12 and you're like, I don't need any help caddies. I know this green. Trust me. I'm good here. It breaks towards race gray. I got it. Yeah. Thanks. I know this one. Absolutely. I've hit this put a thousand times. We're going back a little bit here with you, but I want to go back to that 96 US AM. I believe you're only 17 years old at the time. You're up at Pumpkin Ridge and you run into a little man by the name of Tiger Woods. What do you remember by that match the most? I mean, you're only 17 at the time. So I remember I was hard-headed enough to think I was going to win. I remember thinking that, Well, I'll beat him. I mean, he's good, but I'll beat him. I remember losing on the 17th green, and I was shocked. Shocked that I lost. That kind of didn't know the full Tiger story yet at the time. But I'd never seen a guy hit his driver so far and so straight is Tiger that day. I still remember he had that 43-inch cobra driver steel shaft, and he hit it miles. And it's kind of the first time I'd been exposed to somebody that actually

did that, that holy cow, you know, we were all pretty good and very similar. He was the first guy I was exposed to that was different and different in everything. That's just, it's incredible. I can't imagine playing with him at that age. And then, I mean, you go out and you're three years younger than him, right? Three or four years younger than him? Yes. Correct.

Yeah. So, I mean, you spent many, many years on the PGA tour with Tiger. I mean, what has it been like seeing him turn into arguably the greatest player of all time, knowing you played against him when you were 17 years old? So I moved to Orlando right out of college, and one of the reasons to move here was to be around Tiger Woods. And, you know, he was the guy. I figured if I'm going to do this as a pro, let's hang around maybe the best to ever do it. From practicing with him and playing with him at home and all that, it was clear that he was better than me at everything.

So it wasn't just this driver. It was a three wood. It was a three iron. It was chipping. It was putting. Like there wasn't any weakness of this guy's game at all. And I mean, we all remember, say, very early on in his career that he struggled a bit with his short irons, distance control some. And John Cook and Mark O'Meara, who lived here in Orlando, he went to them for help.

Within a period of a few months, he was the best in the world at that. So it was, no matter what it was, he was going to be better than you. And he just was. And it was so great to play and practice with him, but it was so humbling in the fact that I felt like every tour event I went to, I was awful. You're a good company. This guy was better at everything. I mean, I know like he likes to talk some trash. But when you're playing at home, does he make you aware that he is better than you at everything?

100% he does. And it never ends. And, you know, he loved going to Einstein bagels at 5.30 in the morning. So he would drag out of bed there, going. up there and it was always a contest who got there first. Then it was who could eat the most. And then it was who could get back to Isleworth the fastest. And it was who and it was everything was a contest with the guy. And I mean, obviously we all know his competitive spirit. But it is, it is real and legit. And you know, when we played together at home, he wasn't out on the golf course just to have

fun and play. Like it was one ball. It was we're going to keep a score and we're going to see who wins. And it was that way every day. It was never, hey, let's just goof around and hit extra balls. it was never that. Would he share info with you? Like when you were practicing, would you pick his brain and ask him things? Would he actually share some info with you?

100%. And that's what he was so great about. From putting, bunker play, a lot of stuff around the greens. You know, that's what he really enjoyed doing. He would hit enough balls to,

hey, I'm working on this and working on that. And I was around him when he went kind of from Butch Harmon to Hank Caney. So I was sort of in that era. And I'd see Hank on the range a bit with him and we would talk, but, but Tiger loved the chipping pot. That was kind of his,

that was his thing and his deal. And, uh, that's when he had the most fun. I mean, him and Hank would hit enough balls to work on whatever. Then it was done and, uh, he was going to play or chipping and putt him. Is there like a shot from all the times you played with him that kind of sticks out in your mind? You're like, holy shit. How does this guy just do that? So there, there was, so we played the president's cup together, um, in down in South Africa. And it was 2003. I was young. And it was, yeah, I was, it was extremely a just brutal, right? A pressure cooker. It was my first one. The tiger, this is old hat. But, you know, it's my first one. And I remember that we, this par five coming down the stretch there, we were playing alternate

shot. The match was really close. And he had a three iron into this par five. And I've never seen a ball launched so high and so straight in such a stressful situation with a three iron is incredible. And but yet I say that and I can list a hundred more. The guy did it every day. And obviously, you know, we remember the putts that him and Ernie L's hold there in the dark. I remember that. Tiger had made that, you know, what was that was it, eight to ten foot putt. They called the match. They called it a tie. And I actually wrote in the van with him back from that green to the club pals and he gets in there in the van and he's still shaking. And I could tell that it really meant something to him. Like it was the first time I ever seen a bit of the nerves and the whole

gravity of the situation getting. And then the guy was legit shaking. And so the fact that not only was he great at it, but he delivered on it and it actually meant something to him. I mean, he truly was. I mean, he's in my mind. He's my favorite sportsman and I'm his, you know, obviously a fan, But he truly loved it. That's awesome. You're also one of the few guys to get in that inner circle with Tiger where he will share info and he is willing to help. But going back to that alternate shot format,

alternate shots to help with anybody as a partner. Guys hate hitting bad shots for their partner. How much more amplified is that when Tiger Woods is your partner? And you're like, this is the best player to ever do it. If I hit anything that's not perfect, he's going to think I suck. Okay, it's horrendous. Yeah. And I'm perfectly comfortable letting myself down.

I do it every day. I don't want to let anyone else down, most less him. Now, I do remember we had this discussion, and then he said, Charles, I'm Tiger Woods. It's fine. No matter where you hit it, it's fine. I'm like, he's kind of right. Like, he is the best ever. We're good.

We're fine. But I just do remember, you know, I think his most underrated talent is his green reading ability. I mean, that is one thing. You know, we talk about great putters, right? and we want to look at their putting stroke and whatever, but we never talked about their ability to read greens. Tiger's ring reading ability was phenomenal.

I would assume I could Jordan Spee is a similar way. These guys that are special at that. But seeing Tiger up close in a golf tournament, that was awesome. I can't imagine. That's cool. I mean, I think we've learned that nothing should surprise us with Tiger Woods. But with all he's been through now, all the surgeries, all the injuries. You know, he teed it up at Augusta National this year,

which was incredible. I mean, the buzz was just off the charts, which Augusta doesn't need any more hyped up, hyping up. But when Tiger comes back and plays, it does. Do you think we'll see Tiger Woods win again? I do. And I only say that because it is Tiger Woods.

That the more people that doubt him, the more people that say he can't do it, he lives for that. I mean, that is why he gets up out of bed in the morning. Because, listen, we all know financially he doesn't need to play. We all know he loves hanging around Charlie and Sam. We all know he has other business venture. So it's not like he doesn't have other things to do and other things to occupy his time.

He is only doing this to win. And trust me, there is a deep-seated part of him in there that he's doing this also to prove people wrong. And when he gets bullheaded in that way, he usually does it. I agree with you there. Like, I mean, just when he showed up at the Masters this year, like he's not going out there to try to make the cut. Like he honestly in his mind believes that he can win or he wouldn't even waste his time. A hundred percent. And yeah, that was the thing.

Like of all the time that I spent around him in say 2000 through 2008 before he moved, it was only about winning. I mean, one time I'll never forget where he's playing at Firestone the week of the week. And we're hitting balls on Tuesday afternoon at Isleworth and he's going to fly up early Wednesday morning. And he's out hitting. He's hitting. And he looks over at me. says, there it is, I just found something.

I'll win this week. And he said it just as sure as you say, you know what, look, the sky's blue. And he wasn't being cocky. He wasn't being all senta. He was just, no, it's a fact. I'm going to win. He won that week by nine shots. And it was just incredible.

I mean, you talk about winning on the PJ tour, how difficult it is. He made it look easy. And there was always a part of him where, and I always wanted to say this, but he never would. But I always asked him, does it feel easy? easy to you because to me and to most mortals, it feels really hard. But that's how sure he was of himself. And it was awesome to watch. Did you ever ask him what he found at Firestone? I'd kind of like to know that. It feels like that could be useful. It would be little things in his swing. Like it'd be something so little. And also like on his putting to use on his putting

is he would have to open the face a touch more going back because Tiger always loved the feel the putter face release a bunch coming through. So it'd always be something goofy on, oh, I added walks on the back swing or I rotated the face more, whatever it would be. But it would be something little like that, and then bam, he's off and running. We're taking a quick break from our interview with Charles Howell III to tell you about Taylor Made, high bombs, low cutters, flighted wedges, flop shots to tuck pins. The beauty of golf is that in any given round, you get to play so many different types of shots.

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And so you got a call from your coach David Ledbetter. This is right when Tiger was kind of coming out and golf was starting to explode in popularity. And he told you like, hey, dude, this might be a pretty good time to play for some money. 100%. I'll never forget the phone call. I was sitting in my apartment in Stillwater one evening. And phone rings as David Ledbetter, which is nothing unusual. We talked all the time. And he said, yeah, he said, I think you need to think about turning pro. I think you've done all you need to do in college and amateur golf. and it's time to play for real now.

But I never even considered it. I loved my time in Stillwater in Oklahoma State. I loved Coach Holder and playing for him. And it was tough. I never even thought about it. And it was just, hey, I've got one more year of college left. And then I'll go do this. But yeah, a month or so later, I did turn pro at Hartford.

But yeah, I never even considered it. I want to know a little bit about Stillwater because the place just fascinates me. Oklahoma State, Coach Holder. I actually talked to him earlier this week about you some. He was one of the scariest humans I've ever saw. When I was playing at SMU and we show up at tournaments against Oklahoma State, I'm like,

that guy scares the shit out of me. I'm still terrified of him. I saw him in Vegas at Aria, I played blackjack and I got nervous. If I see him, I just my hands swam. That's holder. That's holder. Don't do anything stupid. So what was it? First of all, what made you go to Oklahoma State? Because August is not just down the road. You obviously got Georgia there. You got Georgia Tech.

What made you choose Oklahoma State? And what was your time like there? So I, coming out of high school into college golf, you know, I had a nice junior career, but I wanted to know if I was good enough to play professionally. And I did want to do it, but I really didn't know. And I figured, well, the quickest way I'm going to know and find out is to go play for Mike Holder in Oklahoma State. You know, he is, he's the best, he's the toughest, he's the hardest, and let's go find out. And, and honestly, he was like a second father to me. I absolutely love the man. To this day, I'm still scared to death of him. If my phone rings or whatever, and it's Mike Holder, I think, what have I done? Yeah, what did I do?

And what I do, I'm sorry, now, how's your day going? And, but, you know, the thing with Coach Holder is, if you worked hard and you gave it your best, he was your biggest fan. That was the one thing with him. Everybody thinks, oh, if you didn't play good, he wouldn't like it. It was never results with him. It was always, are you working hard and giving it everything you've got, then he would do anything to help you. He was an intimidating coach to play for, but after a while, when around him every single day, a bit of that would wear off. But boy, he always wanted to win. I mean, it was only about winning. Second place trophies did not make it home. They didn't make it out of the parking lot. They didn't go back. And speaking of coach holder, I mean, there's not too many times

in the history of college sports, I can remember, where a head golf coach goes on to be athletic director. Like, that's just, that's crazy. I mean, that's how big and powerful and how special he we want. He still is. Oh, absolutely. And no human loves a college more than he loves Oklahoma State. That is his bait. And it's always been that way. Obviously, he had a wonderful relationship with Tebow and Pickens, who was obviously throughout Texas and Oklahoma and was a very large, our biggest donor. and, you know, so the T-Bin relationship helped Coach Holder navigate to athletic director. But, man, he loved that university. And he will.

I mean, I think he's going to probably redo Carson Creek one more time. Now that he's retired from AD, it'll be another challenge for him. But, yeah, he's been, even at 43 years old, I'm scared to death of him. Okay, I'm glad to hear that from you because every time I see him, like, oh, Jesus. Holy Christ. And now even more so, don't look. Now that I know what a wrestler he is. So we've had Boyd Summerhays, your old roommate on here, going through the wrestling match in the weight room.

Talk us through that because we heard it from Boyd's perspective. You were there. I've been told you didn't jump in and try to save Boyd's life. But tell us how he did that get. So Boyd and I weren't exactly social butterflies at Oklahoma State. So a big night for us on Friday or Saturday night was going to the gym to work out. And so Coach Holder would let us in the. athletic facility to go work out in the evenings. Now, I promise you we were the only two athletes

in there. Everybody else had a social life and whatever else. Boy, and I did. So we were in there one Friday night, just working out, and Coach Holder showed up. Partly, I think, to see if we were really in there, but he would just make these surprise visits. So he shows up and he's in there talking to us and we're working out. And lo and behold, wrestling comes up because Coach Hold, loved the wrestlers and loved all that. And Boyd and him started getting chippy a little bit because Boyd was fairly strong and a tough guy. And it led into, well, I think I can take you.

And Coach Holder said, well, come on and have that. And sure enough, they start going at it. And they're grabbing and then rolling around and arms and legs are an awkward positions. Well, the next thing you know, Boyd gets Coach Holder's shoulder pinned underneath like the weight tree where the 45, pound plates are, his shoulders pinned underneath it, well, he can't move. Well, so he's telling

Boyd he really can't move. Well, Boyd thinks he's just, you know, playing with him. So Boyd just stays right on him and just has him pinned. Eventually, he quits. Well, he ended up hurting Coach Holder's shoulder. And all because of where Boyd got into pin, and it wasn't on purpose. I mean, I love Boyd to death. That was a accident that really worked out in his favor. But yeah, yeah, that was a true story. I've watched every bit of it. I did not jump in there. That was at 135 pounds, that was not my place. Who are you rooting for?

From this, get a Boyd? Oh, Boyd for sure. Are you kidding? Yes. I mean, Boyd is, boy, obviously, we lived together my first year of school. He's my best friend, and he's, he's the man. It was for sure, Boyd. Take some marbles to wrestle holder.

Oh, I want no fun of it. Big marbles. But you played with some studs. I mean, Boyd being one of them, Ed Lour, a gentleman by the name of Bo Van Pelt, who told me the first time he, he, ever saw you hit a golf ball was in Stillwater and him and another teammate stood out on the range and you were hitting five irons at them alternating going back and forth and they were catching them in their hats. Yeah. That is incredible. I mean, I would have been like, okay, this guy's going to be

a problem. I can't beat him. Yeah, Bo was awesome. He's still Uncle Bo to me. And obviously, you've known Bo forever. And so, yeah, we got to play one year together, but it was great. We, you know, Bo, you know, Bo was much more, you know, he was, obviously, youth to the college scene. He had a nice career. He was a stable player. I had no idea what I was getting into. I'd moved a thousand miles away from home.

And, no, Bo was awesome. In fact, we talked on the phone last night. I still pick his brain about things. And, yeah, and what a great career he's had. Holy cow. I mean, the career he's had, the kids he's raised, it's awesome. You both kind of make, now that you say that, I mean, your action, through the ball is very, very similar.

You both kind of have the three-quarter follow-through with the irons. Is that a product of Oklahoma State or is that just how y'all swing the golf club? So, you know, Coach Holder loved the golf swing, and he always wanted to help guys. And earlier, like well before we were there with the days of Willie Wood and then Bob Tway, Scott Berkank, coach holder really got into the mechanics of the golf swing. And so he went down the road a bit with Homer Kelly. and Ben Doyle with the golfing machine. Then that led Coach Holder to Maco Grady and spending some time with him.

So I would obviously pick Coach Holder's brain on it. Some of the other guys would it, which was totally fine. Bo was another guy that would. So a lot of our stuff is some old golf machine stuff we have in there. Because Coach Holder, I mean, listen, he was a brilliant man. And he helped us. Now, not every guy worked with him. Edward Moore had his own teacher and did his own thing.

But yeah, some of that stuff left over in there is that's old Stillwater Oklahoma State. I love that. What was your teammates' first impression of you when they walked into your dorm room and you had two posters up, Ben Hogan and Tupac? That's quite the spectrum. It's quite the spectrum. Yeah, so, yeah, I went through a phase there where I love Tupac and still debate whether he's dead or not. But, yeah, no, it was Tupac and it was Ben Hogan. And fortunately, I think I'm more the Ben Hogan kind of guy, that little quieter golf guy.

But yeah, it was that was it. That was the first two posters in the dorm room. I did hear that when y'all played the college tournament in Vegas, you made the team go to where Tupac got shot. That's correct. Absolutely. Well, because it just happened. And I'm like, well, guys, we got to go see the spot. And they're like, what are we doing here?

I did care of us. But no, I wanted to go see it. So we did. We took the, you know, the taxi. obviously they're easy in Vegas. Take it right down there. We just took a moment and then went about our day. Right on Flamingo and Coval.

Right there, dude. You got to see that spot. Yeah. Give me, of course. Give me Charles Howe's favorite Tupac song. Oh, well, probably California love, which I know that's easy. That's everybody. So probably that one.

That's fair. You said you debate whether he's dead or alive, which is it? Yes. Is he? Oh, I think he's alive. Is he with us? Where is he, do you think? I think he's in London.

He may actually seem that the first lived off of that. No shit. He's in London. I had no idea. That seems like a place Pock might stand out a little bit over there. Maybe somebody catch a picture of him. Yeah, he may have come out of the first live event, him and Anthony Kim maybe. Perfect.

He can be the Hattery starter. He's going to caddy for AK. That'll be perfect. The caddy for AK, that's what he's doing. Holy God, that would blow up the golf world if that happened. Oh, I love that. You imagine. Pock on the bag for AK.

That would actually be very fitting. Well, going into your early pro days, I mean, you're one of a handful of guys. got your tour card without going through Q school. I believe you locked it up after your third start where you finished third at the John Deere. It's clearly not easy to do that because very few people do, but did it come easier to you than expected? I mean, that happened quick. I had no idea how hard it was. And I've said many times, I'm so thankful. I'm at this point my career. Looking back, I had no concept for how difficult it was. And maybe it's good to be young and dumb, so to speak, in that deal. But, but Matt, looking back on it, yeah, because it was

myself, David Gossett, Adam Scott, Bryce Mulder, Matt Coochard, Luke Donald, all came out at the same time. And none of us knew how hard it was. That's an error. I mean, none of us knew. And we were lucky that we pushed each other. And I think, and I, in fact, I know it helped all of us play better because we all were so darn competitive with one another. But yeah, I was so, I was so fortunate to get my card that way. But like I said, I had no idea how difficult this venture was. Yeah. And I mean, you go on. I mean, you've played over 600 events now, which is ridiculous. By the way, do you know who has the most all time? Is it Mark Brooks? It is. That is correct. You're at, I had it written down here. You're at, I think you're 198 events behind Mark Brooks, which is just insane because

you've played so many. Do you think you'll catch Mark Brooks? You got to ramble. You got to ram up that schedule. No. No chance because if I take this hat off, there's a lot of grays in there, there's no chance. But I think one of the things that's so incredible is, I mean, just your consistency over your career. I mean, you've never lost your card. Like, how much does that mean to you? Because as a guy who was grinding to finish in the top 125 every year, it's hard. And there you are. You just print money every week. As Slee said, 98 top tens. How much does this longevity mean to you? Well, it means a lot to me. And, you know, obviously what I would have loved to. have won more. And I totally

understand we're judged at the end of the day by how much we win. I've got a bunch of seconds and thirds, which I obviously wish would have been wins. Being around guys like Tiger and those guys that made winning look so easy, you know, there was always

a part of me that was amazed by that where I just found the, I found winning difficult. You know, part of me where if I could go back in time and change something, I would have, I play those last few holes with a chance to win, just normal. I always thought I had to either do something special or do something different or play up another level, if you will. That was

one thing I always struggled with. But yeah, I mean, the longevity and the consistency do mean something to me. I wish I would have won more. But playing off on the PGA tour, we're so dang lucky. And I'm one of the luckiest humans in the world to have done it for as long as I have. And obviously, Colt, you know, you played at the highest level. It's, it is fun when you're playing. It's really hard when you're struggling, though. And we all go through those times and, you know, golf makes all of us crazy. You know, we all ride these roller coasters of emotions. But, you know, the one thing over the years I've kept is if you do love the game of golf and if you do remember back to that point as a kid on why you even started playing because you enjoyed it, that's always helped me

get through the downs of it because it isn't all great. Yeah, I do feel like you really, really enjoyed. I mean, you wouldn't be out there so long if you didn't. But the number is 605, which you're at. And Mark Brooks is at 803. Okay, 200 more, 203 and you're there. But think about this. So Mark Brooks, 803 PGA tour events.

He's thrown some corn fairy events in there as well as his PGA Tour champion. So under the PGA Tour umbrella, he's played over a thousand events. Ooh. Oh, my gosh. That's 400 more. that can't happen. Yeah, you got to get to work, dude. You can't be having these off weeks on podcasts.

You got to be out there pegging it, dude. You've got to make some money, man. Oh, my gosh, yeah. That actually makes my back hurt thinking about 400 more stars. But that's a guy Mark Brooks that just loved it. I mean, he lived, breathed golf, which I feel like you're kind of the same way and talking to coach holder, especially in college. I mean, it was golf 24-7 for you.

Oh, that's all we did. That's all. We went to, we worked out. He had this workout early in the morning. We went to a little bit of class and we played golf and that's all we did. But that work ethic has stayed with you though, because when I asked people like, who's the hardest worker out there? Your name comes up a ton of the time.

Like, what's your typical practice schedule look like on an off week? Are you still out there, you know, 20 plus years into your PJ tour career, putting in these marathon sessions like you used to? I do. Again, the mornings, I'll wake up and I'll go to the gym first thing, you know, 630, 6.45-ish. I'll be at the golf course by 9.30. And I'll practice with a little break for lunch and then keep going again until, you know, five, five, 30 at night.

So, so I still do it. I love it. And now my son, who's 10, he loves golf and he plays now competitively in junior event. So, you know, when he's out of school, you know, he's with me until, you know, dark almost. So, you know, he's kind of giving me a little bit of a jolt of energy, so to speak. So, you know, after school, I'm with him. And on the weekends, you know, we're playing. playing golf all day because that's that's his time to do more nervous more nervous trying to close

out a pga tour win or watching your son play golf oh my gosh before i had a son i would have said no doubt trying to win a tournament it's catty and i've heard it's brutal it's awful because i'm the worst clubber in the world i'm the worst green reader ever uh i can't find wind direction i mean it's every bad shot it's that i knew that was the wrong club you can't read greens And in fact, my greatest moment, Caddian, a month or so ago, my son was paired with Onika Sorensen's son. And Anika was Caddian. So you've got the arguably the greatest ever.

She's in the Hall of Fame. She won everything. Her son wore her out. And Mom, I knew that didn't break to the right. Mom, it was never a sixth iron. It was always the seven. And I think, you know, there's a Hall of Famer getting worn out by her son. This is made my day.

Yeah. Because this is phenomenal. Everybody needs to see this. This chase wear you out when you give him something, like you give him a little too much on a read or something? Is he getting after you? Oh, yeah, 100%. Absolutely. That's fantastic.

Yeah, an exempt from nothing. I don't care about all those top tens. Give me a read, you bum. Exactly. The top tens are meaningless. That means nothing to me. With as much as you love playing and being around the game of golf, do you see yourself playing PGA Tour champions? Oh, I'd love to. I'd absolutely love to because that looks like the greatest gig ever, 54 holes and no cut.

I mean, you know, one of the worst parts from the tours making cuts, you know, because you're grinding Thursday, Friday, and so more weeks than not, you're grinding a cut out. And then you've got to go Saturday, Sunday, and you obviously keep going. So, oh, the Champions Tour, 54 holes, no cuts sounds phenomenal. Carts, perhaps, you know, as that back starts to. go that's a nice little perk Charles absolutely Charles is an athlete he ain't riding in a cart no he's

he's been carrying around all that back for so many years dude your back's probably I heard him walking around with that weight you have been man it's got to give at some point throughout your career who are some of your guys like you always look forward to teen it up on Tuesday with in a practice room

oh uh Carl Peterson absolutely love Carl beauty um So I got a sponsor invite into the Carl Peterson, Jason Bone, Tim Heron, Tom Gillis Club for a while. George McNeil in that. And which correct. Yeah. George McNeil's in there.

So the weeks that all four of them weren't out, I got a sponsor invite. Perfect. Those were the big weeks. And that was always Tuesday morning, 9 a.m. They wouldn't go earlier. So that was fine. Beau Van Pelt, obviously, a lot. Yeah, Jim Herman's another guy I enjoyed playing practice

I was with on Tuesday. Yeah, another guy, Sergio Garcia, actually. You know, Sergio and I grew up playing junior golf, and I love being around him, and obviously, you know, picking his brain even still on, you know, some stuff around the greens and whatnot. But, you know, so many of us kind of grew up together that we've just maintained friends.

I'd say those guys be the main ones on Tuesday. Yeah, that Carl Pedersson, Tom Gillis, those guys, Lumpy. Lump, is there a better dude to hang out with than Lump out there? Not at all. Absolutely none. Yeah, those were the fun days. Yeah, I miss that.

Yeah, I think he might be the funniest guy. We're about to get him on in here pretty soon and just wind him up and let him go. I think he might be the funniest guy I've ever been around on the PJ tour, period. Oh, you have to. We were paired together at Bay Hill a few years back. Obviously, he won there, so he played there quite a bit. And Colt, you remember the 13th pole, straightaway par for it runs out into the water. And it's figured that it was humming downwind and the fairways were baked out.

So you could get driver to the water. So you know, lumpy's up there and he's got a three wood in his hand and he's kind of backing off of it. And he's back on it. Hybrid and his caddy is, Tim, are you happy? And he looks up and he says, no, I haven't been happy for 14 years. Straight back to it. He hits it. But oh, yeah, Tim, lumpy, he's the best.

He'll do awesome. He's got a little baby lump too at UNM right now. I just saw him the other day. He got his name on his bag. And I was like, this is going to be the dumbest question in the history, but is lump your dad. And he's like, yeah. I was like, okay, well, you just, you don't, like physically you look a little different, but the face looks the same.

But I thought I had to ask. Oh, yeah. He's a good player too. Yeah, he is. He can swing it. Well, man, we could go all day with all this stuff. But we got to get to the emergency nine because I have a feeling this is going to be a lot of fun with you, Charles. So we're going to, okay, good deal.

We're going to start this off like we do with everyone else. You can trade lives with anyone, dead or alive for a day. Get to be him for a day. Who's it going to be? Elon Musk. You're the person who answered that question the fastest, by the way. Thank you for that. I think that might be the second Elon we've had.

Good time to be Elon. Yeah, I just because of, obviously, he's worth goddamn gazillion, but. No, I'm just fascinated by the guy. Like, how does this guy come up and do Tesla and then do space? and do the boring project and oh my gosh this was i would even said this before his twitter acquisition but yeah Elon Musk no doubt now you can control Twitter too and just shut down anyone you don't like love that power correct power you go find Tupac with one of those satellites um a hundred percent all right we go are you the only player in pj tour history to weigh the same thing at 42 as you did at

22 well if i did yes uh my bio hasn't been updated so it's a little bit more now My son actually called me out on that a couple months ago. He read the bio. Dad, I don't think this is still quite accurate. Oh, would you put on a couple ounces? Yes, exactly. Eight ounces. No, I'm up to 175.

Oh, wow. Yeah, I had a little beef. Wow. I like that. And in college, you said you were at 135? 135 when I entered college, 150 when I left it, yes. Wow, 135. What were you, when you first came out at 150, how fast were you swinging it, do you think?

So we didn't have trackman back then, but Calloway had their stuff out there. According to them, so I still have all the data. My club as he was 118. That's moving. I don't know how that reads right in relation or so whatnot. Like on trackman now, I'm like 120, which used to be fast. Now that's kind of, yeah, it's okay. It's just above average.

You got 25 more pounds now. So yards per pound, you're at your most efficient. That didn't work for me. Back then. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yes. Go ahead and subscribe to that theory.

yard per pound didn't really work for me that's a shit stat all right next one uh going to college is an adjustment for everyone no doubt about it okay we're all used our parents doing everything for us taking care of us but i want to know one thing when you go and you're out on your own you got start doing some laundry how much laundry did you do freshman year zero absolutely zero i i bought new socks and underwear and then i took everything to the dry cleaners. And then as my college time went on, I met a really nice grandma that ran a fluff and still water. And it was like 25 cents per pound and she got it all. So we went from buying new stuff to dry cleaning to fluff and bold. I heard like like every week or two, you'd go out and buy

new socks and underwear every time. A hundred percent. That's incredible. Every time. That's a hell the way to do it. It's embarrassing, but it is a 100% fact, so I've got to own it. Yes, I did. It worked out all right. When you talk about getting excited to go to college, you got to realize you got to wash your nasty-ass drawers every week. I mean, I've been doing that for 18 years. Exactly. That's a different game. I'm going to stay in college, take you back, right? It's still water. You and Boyd, aka Choyd, you walk into, I won't say a bar, I'll say a social gathering, and you both see the same girl. You both like her. Who's got the better chance? Oh, boy, no question.

Are you kidding? No. I mean, a hundred percent void, there's no doubt about it. That was, we thought it would be a tie. Authority, yeah, that was with authority. I thought it might just be a, oh, yeah, trust me. No, no, no, that is 100% void. Could Boyd rap a little bit back in the day with the ladies?

Boyd had, no, like, Boyd had these dimples when he smiled and he liked those and the girls like them. They had the blonde hair. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Now, boy, yeah. Boy, no doubt. It's obnoxious. All right.

All right. Next, well, this is kind of more a serious one for the E9. But you've played over 600 events. You've had three wins in your very, very consistent career. If it all ended today, would you be satisfied with your career? Yes, I would be. If I'd answer that five years ago, I'd say no. But now, kind of looking back over the whole thing for 22 years and whatnot, I would be.

Well, everybody wishes they would have done, say more, a little bit, better, but I'd be satisfied if I quit tomorrow, yes. Yeah. If you're not, then the bar is high for the rest of the PJ tour in terms of satisfaction. All right, we're talking a lot about how good you are and your consistency and stuff. I'm going to take you back here to see if this rings a bell. Has your golf game ever been compared to a Ford Pinto? Oh, yes, it has been. So one of my first weeks in Stillwater, Coach Holder was a little bit upset with my performance, looks right at me. and he says, I thought I recruited a Lamborghini and I got a Ford Pinto. Nice.

Welcome. That is 100% fact. Welcome to Stillwater Charles. Yes. I remember the day we were hitting balls on the other range, not our team range, but the other one. It was in early September and Stillwater, which is just a lovely time for weather, 98 degrees, baking hot. And yes, that line came straight out. Yes.

That's a good one. Yeah, the number one player in junior golf. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ford Pinto. I like that. Thanks, coach.

And he meant it. And he met it. Yeah, exactly. All right. You've made over 41 million in your earnings on the golf course. Give me the craziest thing you've ever bought in your career. Oh, really early in my career, I was into cars. I bought, I bought two Ferraris at one point in time.

And I was into, so the magazine, the car magazine DuPont Registry, their founder and CEO was a good friend of mine. So we got into this spell for a while of buying cars. And I think over the course of like a four-year time, we bought and sold like 18 cars. So we'd buy them. I would either buy them or we'd buy them together and we'd put them for sale in the magazine right when we bought it.

And we would drive it until it sold. And for a while there until, you know, 08 hit, it worked, actually. You could do it. And so he would find these cars from everywhere, and these, it was really fun. We'd buy the fancy sports cars and these hedge fund traders in New York

because they had all won a Ferrari. They park it in a garage. The weather's terrible. They never drive it. And then they get pissed off and want to sell it right away. And then so we'd be right there to, we'll take it.

And so yeah, we did that for a while. But yeah, that does with some of the dumber things I did. I heard there was, smart. I was going to look into this. I heard there was a yellow Ferrari at one point.

There was. Yeah, yellow Ferrari 360 spider. Yes, yeah. I'm going to be driving around our in a yellow Ferrari. Yeah, exactly. It's under the radar. What are you?

Under the radar? Is that barn rat? No, dude, that's Charles. That's Charles. Yeah, that's Charles. It's under, it's yellow. Yeah, you'll never see it. Yeah, you can unload all of those things to Kyridak if you still got any of them.

He'll take them. He'll take them off your hands. All right. Last one for me, your son Chase, we've been talking about a hell of a junior golfer up and coming. Would you rather you get a tattoo on his face or attend the University of Oklahoma? Oh my gosh. You've actually stumped me here. It's a tricky one.

I mean, I got to say attend OU, and I know I would just upset a ton of Oklahoma State people because Mike Heison did okay with the face tat. Right. Probably a Tend OU. I think the face tattoo, if it wouldn't put me in a grave, it would definitely put my wife in a grave. So yeah, probably bad. I also had a message from Coach Holder. He said, Chase better be a damn good player.

and he also better be a cowboy. That is correct because even if Coach Holder, he would haunt me if Chase doesn't go to Oklahoma State. So, yeah, I'll get to deal with Coach Holder in this life and the afterlife. That sounds terrifying. The guy scares the shit out of me. I actually got to play Blackjack with him a couple of years ago. We played until about four in the morning at ARIA.

And he likes to fire. We had a blast. Oh, he loves it. Absolutely. Blackjack and craps. He, no, no, he loves it. And obviously, you remember Trippini. Oh, yeah.

You get Coach Holder and Trippini together. They will go. I like that. So I was texting with him, and I totally forgot about this, but he sent me a picture of a hand. And I didn't realize the hand was actually coach, myself, and Jeff Quinny. And we all three got blackjack and the dealer flipped over a blackjack. And coach took a picture of it. I thought he was going to kill this dealer.

I gave him the biggest death stare ever. I'm sure you know what that look looks like. Insurance? I'm familiar. That's great. All right. Last one. I'm familiar.

Give me one word that describes your Toyota Corolla with neon lights and chrome wheels that you drove to Stillwater, Oklahoma, freshman year. Awesome. Awesome. Magnet. Magnet. Awesome. Awesome. Yes.

Now things are starting to pile up why Boyd had the better chance with girls than me. So, yeah, I spent a little too much time at a driving range. Yeah. So now you're putting the... The neon lights sound pretty... If you're going to check with a neon lighted corolla, then that's a problem because that thing, that should close the deal most of time. I agree with you, especially in Stillwater. Yeah.

And tell her, listen, I'm a golf. Yeah. That is awesome. Well, Charles, man, this has been an absolute blast. Thank you so much for joining us, my man. Well, listen, thank you so much. Like I said, I'm a big fan of you guys, Colton, known you forever. And best of luck with it.

I enjoyed it. But, yeah, thanks for taking the time to have me on. Good, fantastic. Great time. All right. Well, that was Charles Howell the third, joining us on golf. subpar. Like we said, what a career it's been. What a journey. I mean,

the guy's been just an absolute staple on the PGA tour. I mean, how good is it? You know, you get to pretty much sit side by side with goat, Tiger Woods every day, learn from him, practice with him, pick his brain, see how he goes about it. Really, really cool story from CH3.

Yeah, and he got to go against him in the USAM when he was just a little kid. You know, he's seen that thing happen from square one and then he developed a relationship with T-dub that he did. Also growing up at a us to, you know, getting to go back and play Augusta National. How about sneaking on as like a little kid? That takes some sack.

Dude, when we're down there, I'm scared to cough when I'm on property. I'm like, oh, I don't want to get kicked out. As my shirt tucked in, is everything all right? Don't walk too fast. You're going to get asked? Dude's sneaking over fences and playing Amen Corner as like a little, the 10-year-old. I feel like that's like some sort of federal sentencing if you get sniped up in that little escapade.

Well, I really, really enjoyed our time with him. I mean, the man is just a workaholic. his time's at Oklahoma State, driving in there in his fancy car, not known how to do laundry. It's just such a cool story. And he's just an ATM machine. He prints it out there on the PJ store. And how about him and Boyd there work with the coeds up there in Stillwater? Suffice it to say the ladies were safe when, what were they call themselves, Choyd?

Was it Choyd, Charles and Boyd hanging out? They spent a lot of time at the golf course, and it shows out, you know, they ended up working out for him. dude's done just fine, probably not regretting missing too many of those parties. But that's the reason why things like that go on and succeed and we're slapies and we end up talking about them. No doubt about it. And don't worry, I did not forget about your incredible performance at the USAGA 4 ball. We're going to bring it to you all next week.

We're going to have an exclusive interview with you and your partner Drew Kittleson, who finished runner up at the USGA 4 ball. Almost made it four titles for team subpar. But it's now time to get to the Fandululipk, Slee. We're going to break that down in depth. That one's still still stinging. And I talked to Kat last night, was asking him about it. He's going to come on and do that. That'll be a really fun one. And we also realized that we left our silver medals at Birmingham at the Country Club of Birmingham. So there's anyone in Birmingham right now. There was a lot of listeners out there. A, shout out to all the people that were at the club and B, all the messages we got. But if there's anyone at Burmings of Birmingham, then you find two silver medals in boxes that may have been left after a little night of drinking our sorrows away. Please contact us as we would. I would like to retrieve those, and I'm too embarrassed to text the USGA and ask for a replacement. So that's our little public service announcement there if you find those bad boys.

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How fast, BG? Right away, pretty much within two hours. Pretty much just right away. Just hits the account. Don't even worry about it. We got a couple bets coming to you right now. So go low this summer and bet on the PGA tour. Colt fired off Colonial.

By the way, I'm going to be in the building, cadding for Wyndham Clark again, carrying his ass around the place, which is not an easy job. somehow I did it last year, got him to play some good golf. I don't know if I can do it back to back. He's a freaking load, but he will have the baby bag out there. You're going to be down there. We will be reunited. Give me some bets.

If you don't take him as a dark horse, that's just like hating on your own ability. I mean, you've got to take you. By the way, that's a perfect time because we're going to get it. We're going to start a new thing here on the podcast where we do a best bets, our favorite bets of the week. Colt's going to have one. I'm going to have one. You can ride with Colt.

You can ride with me. We're going to keep track. We're going to tally it up. It's going to be a fake $100 bet on every bet. And at the end of the time, it's going to run through the Open Championship. Whoever wins, there's going to be a prize. We're going to have a little wager on that. So look out on our social media.

Those will be coming to you this week. I feel like I'm a little handcuffed this week. I got to pick my guy dub. But I'm going to put things out tomorrow in the practice round, see how he's swinging it. And my best bet might be dubbed to miss the cut. You know what I mean? And I could play a role in that. Wow.

If you bet that, I'd hit the four iron hard, 180. No, I'm not going to, dude. I'm going to have my horse ready to run. But anyways, that'll be coming to you. Check out our social. BG, give me what you like this week, favorite dark horse. All right, you ready for this? Of course.

This is going to be very, very interesting. So I didn't know where to go this week. There's a lot of guys I really, really like, but I had a little conversation with the PGA champion, Justin Thomas this morning. We were discussing, you know, everything that happened is he worn out. I was like, are you going to tee it up this week? Like, I don't think anybody would have blamed him if he went through from Colonial

and took the week off after winning such a big tournament. I take a month off. I text him said, you're going to give it a go in Fort Worth. He goes, you're damn right. I am. I'm ready to win another one. The man is on a mission. He's all about winning trophies.

He's one of the favorites. I'm going JT. Let's go back to back, but he loves this golf course. Is that your dark horse? Yeah, that's my dark horse. What's he going at? He's going at like 8 to 1 or something. It's crazy.

He's 12 to 1 on Sandville. 12 to 1. All right, there's a little more juice there. All right. 12 to 1. You're going with the reigning PJ champion coming off a pretty deece week. You're right, though. Picking up at the top, man.

This thing's got some beast at the top. There's some dudes. There's some dudes up here going to Fort Work this week. I'm going to go just down just a little bit. I'm going to 19 to 1 and a man named Colin Moracawa. 55th at the PGA. Don't really care about that. Probably the best iron player on the planet.

Week in week out. I put Justin Thomas in that as well. But those two guys are. are pretty spectacular. Straight driver. Greens at Colonial, not the hardest to putt in the world. So if there is a little, you know, bugaboo in his game, maybe the putter. Colonial is about the most friendly place you can go on the PJ Tour to wholesome putts. So I'm going Colin Moracawa 19 to 1.

Who the hell are you talking to right now? I got two special guests here right now at Tulsa Country Club. We're not even, by the way. First off, I got to let you know real quick that Joe Griner, Caddy for Max Oman. Don't get your asses over here. Yeah, let me see Joe. Joe Griner and I, Caddy for Maxxom. Max Homa just took down Max Homa and Sam Burns in a putting match.

Oh, wow. Well, I'm shorting both of those. They obviously are shit, so Sam Burns and Max won't be on my betting card. They literally just left when I started talking about. I was going to get them on to have a little special guest appearance and show that neither of us were picking them. But you know what? Little camera shy.

Little camera shy. I'm going to get a little where I think we have a little practice around with Max and Joey tomorrow. So I'll make sure that it gets addressed. All right. Well, I like it. I like Colin to bounce back. It's been a little bit of a down year for him.

but listen he can find it at any point lost in the playoff here the man loves the golf course should be perfect for him dark horse we've talked about this guy a lot please oh going off in 48 to one oh here we go are we going to be on the same we're going to line up right here bro oh davis riley let's go there you go son great pick great fit great pick hasn't finished outside the top 13 in his last three starts ball striker speaking of max homa i feel like he's a little max homa junior he reminds me of max so much out there, the golf swing, their physique, everything about him. This dude's poised for some, yeah, very hairy, a lot of body hair, similar to a gorilla, the son's mascot.

The dude's coming, and it's starting to click. I got, that was the exact guy I had picked, too. 48 to 1, that's some pretty nice juice on the fellow, too. So, almost, almost hosted a trophy at Valspar, too. So he's right there. I like it. He lost to Sam Burns, who got real camera shy here in a second. There's a little bit ago, but whatever.

You think JT's scared of the camera? He wants that. That's a little lesson. You can't be afraid of the lights, Sammy. You know what I mean? All right. We'll address that later. Yes, call on more, Kawa.

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That's all you got to do, dude. That's all you got to do. That's it. All you got to do. And then you get paid. Please, I played with the governor of Oklahoma today at Taylor Gooch's event. We're hoping to add Oklahoma to that list here pretty soon. So we'll have some more numbers to read off.

Get that thing open up. The people in Tulsa deserve to fire. By the way, the best thing that ever happened to me, I was in Alabama for the four ball. The Sons were playing game seven. I was ready to bet my entire house, my entire life on the Sons. Open up the app.

Not available in Alabama. Save me my life, actually. They almost won that game, too. Incredible, incredible. Almost one. Get ready because next week, we are going to be breaking down the USGA four ball. I'm going to be doing the interview.

You're actually going to be a guest on subparation. There's a dream or Drew Kittleson. Dream come true, baby. This is going to be great. I can't wait to talk more about you. Next week's golf subpar. Have a great week, everyone.