Subpar - Chris Como Interview: How he became Tiger Woods' swing coach, working with Bryson DeChambeau on the range during live U.S. Open coverage

Episode Date: October 13, 2020

On this week's episode of GOLF's Subpar, legendary swing coach Chris Como joins former PGA Tour pro Colt Knost and his close friend and on course rival Drew Stoltz for an exclusive interview from Como's "Speed Lab" in Dallas. Chris talks what it was liking working with Bryson DeChambeau on the range during live U.S. Open coverage, why he decided to buy a house and build a multi-sport testing facility in his living room, and how he ended up as Tiger Woods' swing coach.

Hello world. Welcome to another episode of Golf Subpar, Colt Nost and Drew Stoltz coming to you after a beautiful week in Las Vegas, Nevada, one of my favorite cities. And Martin Laird is your champs, Leas. Yeah, Martin Laird, the champion. Good to see him back in the winter circle. Been seven years coming off a little bit of an injury. Also had to get in this week on a sponsor's invite, which props to Shriners for, for, sometimes they catch heat, these sponsors and they give away an exemption. The guys don't play well. They get flack for it. Shout out to Shriners for getting it right and getting Martin Laird in there. Now he's won two. times out there. The guy's an absolute beast in the desert. Local guy here makes sense. He plays well out there. But damn, how about the scoring? Yeah, he won in 2009 and then lost in the playoff to Jonathan Byrd's hole and walk off hole in one. Tough, but yeah, like you said, he absolutely loves this place. We see this a lot on the PJ tour. Guys play well at certain golf courses, and it seems like they always do. Patrick Cantley was another example this week, but shout out to Martin Laird for getting the job done. It was really cool to see. And

some of the craziest scoring I've ever seen on the PJ tour, I've been out there a long time. I've never seen a seven under par cut with a 36 hole cut. Yeah, I mean, it's why I feel like it's becoming more and more frequent. These things are starting to creep up, five under, six under. Now we've got a seven under. I mean, our good friend Scott Harrington out here, God bless him. Dude goes out, shoots 800 the first days, one shot back, second place. Stumbles a little bit in round two, shoot 73.

See you later. From second, all the interviews, all the media stuff to no longer here anymore. I mean, you go out, shoot 68, 68, cool, pack your shit. I don't care where you go, but you're not playing here this weekend. Enjoy Las Vegas. You're not playing golf this weekend. And COVID, Las Vegas. So you can't even go out and do what you normally do.

But man, I mean, it's a, there's just, you give those guys good weather. Like we've been saying, good weather, no wind at all the first couple days. Dome golf, basically, perfect greens. I mean, they're just going to eat the place up. And it's just becoming, I mean, I think 14 under was the lead after 36. I was like, dude, what's going to win this? I thought north of 25 might win it. We got a little wind on Sunday.

Yeah, we got a little bit on Saturday and Sunday. But like we said, hats off to Martin Laird for getting the job done. That was awesome. But I got to take my hat off to you because. you got a special little announcement recently. Do you want to tell the people about it? Oh, are you referring to, yes. The newest member of the Thunderbirds.

Yeah, dude. How about that? The standards are going down here. Jesus, are they ever. Phoenix. I mean, these are the dudes for those that aren't familiar. It's the group. If you watch the Phoenix Open, have you ever been to the Phoenix Open, there's these guys in blue tunics. They're walking around. They got the beads and all the stuff. They're the Thunderbirds. They're basically the reason that the Phoenix Open has turned into what it's turned into. They do a great job.

They raise money for the entire city, huge philanthropic group. but more than anything, they drive that Phoenix open and they make it huge. They're the ones getting all the entertainment there, all the big names that play at the birds' nest, all the 16 being fully enclosed. Now 17's turning into that. These are the guys that make it go. And yeah, man, out of nowhere last week got the call. We were actually in Vegas when I got the call.

Not an ideal time to be taking that call. But yeah, dude, couldn't be more excited. Pretty cool thing for me being a guy from here now. He's been here about 10, 12 years. It's a special deal. So thanks for the shout out. Congratulations. Well, I can tell you this.

you will not be doing any of those cool things you just mentioned. You'll be moving orange parking cones at about 4.30 a.m. So get ready for that. I know you're a big morning person. Oh, yeah, the morning and me, we go hand and ham. But I've already been told by a number of them. Like, first year, you'll be assistant to the assistant parking guy. You'll be moving cones.

So if you're coming in here and you're drunk with 33 of your friends need to know where to park, I'll probably be the guy that's helping you out getting where he need to be. And the good news is you probably got plenty of those beads at home. I got a lot of them. I'm ready. I'm ready for Marty Grave to in case that breaks out there. All right. Well, our guest this week, Chris,

who works with Bryson DeShambo on his golf swing. Some interesting comments made about Bryson from one Matthew Fitzpatrick this week. Yeah, dude, perfect timing to have this interview, which I thought was awesome. We can get to it in a minute. But Matthew Fitzpatrick, we do a lot of talking with Chris about Bryson, obviously. Matthew Fitzpatrick came out this week. Sturred the pot a little bit. I'll paraphrase his quote, basically.

He basically said, hitting it far isn't a skill, and what Bryson's doing is making a mockery of the game. That's pretty much paraphrasing exactly what he said. He basically went on to say that he could get with a biomechanist. gain 40 pounds, gain 40 yards, and do it. He goes, that's a fact. Anyone can do that? Well, Matthew, if you're listening, why don't you do that? I felt like he was making an argument against himself.

He was saying, this sucks, this is stupid. It makes a marketer. I could do it too, but I'm just choosing not to. And I was like, dude, you just out-argued yourself. If you can gain 40 yards and gain 40 pounds and go do what he's doing and he's making the game look so easy right now, who's stopping you? That's exactly what Bryson did. He took a risk.

He tried to change his whole body, change his golf game, and it's working. So if you don't like it, you're more. than welcome to try to do the same thing. Well, Sleaze, I'm not sure if I can do it, but I can tell you one thing. I'm not going to try. I'm just going to sit right here. That ship has sailed, those 600 cuts or 700 cuts. I want no part of it.

I don't get, like, I feel like there are other players that feel what Matthew Fitzpatrick is feeling. Not a lot of them have vocalized, but you also see a lot of support. And I feel like more so from the top end players of the world, your Rory's, the DJs, Tony Fienow's out there, Justin Thomas. They're all complimentary of what Bryson's done because they're like, dude, he went out and did it. We could all try to do the same thing.

And now you're seeing more of them, you know, on social media showing you they're trying to ramp up their speed. The trickle-down effect is happening. But I don't see how you can knock the guy for what he's doing. Everybody's got the same opportunity to do it. Yeah, it's very impressive. I'm guessing he probably wishes he probably would have just fit his tongue on that one. But you know what? You live and you learn.

And Matthew Fitzpatrick's going to be fine. But listen, what Bryson DeShambeau is doing is absolutely incredible. And our guest this week, Chris Como. he's the man who's been there firsthand, knows all about it. I mean, Bryson came to him with this idea. and basically as we get to an interview, Como talks all about breaking it down and how risky it was to do what Bryson's been doing.

Yeah, this was cool, man. We did it live from his house in the studio. The lab. You've seen right in the lab, right where you've seen all the work going in, all the speed training. We saw all the contraptions, all the different things,

and we really just got down to it, like the entire origin of how this came about, when did he come to you with this? How did you guys do it? Did you think it's going to work? I mean, we got an inside, inside look at everything that's going on with Bryson right now. And it was interesting stuff.

We really get into some, like, deep golf talking this way. But not only Bryson, Like Chris, Chris Como has worked with arguably the two biggest topics in the game of golf, two biggest people in the game of golf in the last 10 years, Tiger Woods and Bryson DeShambos. So it's cool to break them both down, compare them both a little bit like we did with Chris. I thought it was absolutely fascinating. One of my favorite interviews we've done. But before we get to him, we've got to get a little message from our new official sponsor, Rockform.

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Intercode subpar for 25% off. That's code subpar at R-O-K-F-R-M.com for 25% off rockform speakers. And here's the man himself, Chris Como. All right, we are coming to you live from the Speed Lab. Our next guest has worked with some of the biggest talents in the game of golf, Tiger Woods, Bryce and the Shambo. So cold nose, temporarily, I believe. Yeah, it was a quick session.

Okay. All right. You're still in the mix, though. He has host of Swing Expedition every Monday, 7 Eastern on the Golf Channel. Chris Como, thanks for being with us. Good to be in the lab. Yeah, thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Let's talk about this lab. Like, how did this all come about? Oh, geez. Yeah, yeah. It was just kind of a random sort of, it's sort of in my mind kind of, you know, would it be cool to build a sort of a multi-sport biomechanics lab somewhere, right? And then I was at the players' chance.

championship with Bryson and Miliano and you know I guess they canceled the tournament on Friday I think it was so I'm flying back home and it just became apparent like the world was gonna like shut down and I was you know I had an apartment in Dallas I spending a lot of time in New York and it was like okay what am I gonna do if things do actually shut down golf channel called me they're like hey we've got to put a halt on on filming some episodes of the show and it's just like I suck at being bored so I landed in Dallas called up a realtor and I was like help me find a with really big ceilings in the Dallas area because I had this idea I kind of want to

put together we went around found some places and finally found this how many places did you look at before you were finally like okay I can work here so the idea was I needed roof a roof or ceiling to be high enough to shoot a three-point shot so we kind of put that at about 18 20 feet and I literally went into 10 houses and would spend maybe like 40 seconds in a house walk in see the living room nope won't work walked out found one place that maybe would work but we would have had to shoot the basket like over the kitchen it just would have been like bouncing but why three like my three pointers because i want i wanted this multi-sport i just thought it would be fun to kind of like get technology

that can measure like principles of motion even though golf's kind of like what i do right but just look at other sports and look at how they use the ground to to create enough sort of momentum to shoot the basket however far hit slap shots etc you Because we've done like hockey stuff in here, basketball. Honestly, it was just kind of like my own kind of musing curiosity to just sort of explore a bit. And I thought it would be fun, too. Basketball's awesome, right?

If I'm going to be locked down. You told us before the show, Seth Curry. Yep. Steph's brother's been in here, Jamie Ben. Yep. You've had all kinds of athletes. Who are some of the other people that have been through here? Bryson, Emiliano Grillo.

I teach these kids that play at UT Parker and Pearson Cudy and just kind of a handful of random people. So this wasn't specifically the Bryson lab. Like, hey, we got to have a place to, try to crank it up to 210? No, it was more of like, okay, what am I going to do with some time if we do get shut down? And then it just to me would just be a fun place to kind of, you know, take data, research.

I always loved kind of going down rabbit holes or whatever. So got the place and then, you know, got these gas force plates. So they measure the ground reaction forces. And then we have a gears 3D motion capture system. And it's kind of like a lab that you would find at a university in my living room. This is where it's all. How many of these nets have you gone through with Bryson? Is this the same one?

Yeah. Wow. That's a hell of a net. Good net. Strong net. The net return. Shout out. If you can handle that, you can handle anything.

Let's go back to your beating. Like, what even got you interested in the game of golf? Like, were you, did you want to be a professional player at some point? How did you get into teaching and all that? I started golf pretty late, like when I was about 16 years old. And I'm a first generation golfer, no, my family plays golf. And a friend of mine's uncle took me golfing, and I just kind of got the bug. And really quickly, I was just, I was just,

just like okay I'm gonna try and get as good at this game as I can and my mind I've always been kind of like curious and analytical so I was like if I read every golf thing out there that's gonna help me speed up that process of getting better which in hindsight was probably you know a little bit off but but but uh so I I studied the game would get lessons from a bunch of different teachers in the LA area yeah that's what I was gonna ask like what teachers did you go to to learn because I know that's kind of the popular way like you you pick other teacher's brains yeah um so guy named Roger Gunn was an early mentor, Adam Schreiber, Brady Riggs, all these kind of California

people. And I would go into these lessons with like a fair amount of knowledge because I was reading and studying and they were just like, how do you know this about like the golf swing? Kind of like this young kid just kind of randomly getting a lesson. So early on I had a lot of teachers take me under their wing and just kind of mentor me. And then when I graduated college, I was trying to play for a little bit. I mean like in hindsight I wasn't even anywhere good enough, but I mean I was an okay player. I was passionate about the game.

I was trying to play. Dislocated my shoulder. And even when I was competing, I was teaching people that I was playing against a lot. They're like, hey, can you look at my swings? It was sort of this weird dynamic where I just loved coaching people. Dislocate my shoulder. And it became apparent that that was the path I was going to go down. Did you like coaching more than playing at the time, even when you're still trying to play?

Did you always kind of know, like, I might like doing this when I actually like competing? In a weird way, yes. It just really kind of like, say, like, I'm a curious person. I love like analyzing stuff and studying something and trying to just understand what makes something work. And I mean, I love I love competing also, but there was just something about just really trying to figure it out that captivated me. So in some ways I would say yes. Yeah, you started off when I met you. You're at the Golden Bear Driving Range in Plano, yeah, working with Mike Madonna.

Yep. But now, I mean, you're the lead instructor at Dallas National. Like, did you ever envision like all, and you're working with Bryson DeChambo and these guys on the PJ tour? Did you ever envision all this happening as fast as it did? So I definitely, when I went down the path of I'm going to be committed to teaching, my goal was to be one of the best coaches in the world. So from the get-go that was like what I was striving to do. I traveled the country early on and worked for a bunch of different teachers, work for David Ledbetter, work for Hank Caney for a bit, spend time with Macro Grady, end up in Dallas to open up an academy that fell through. And that's how I end up at Golden Bear. I kind of liked the Dallas area.

I'm like, okay, I'm going to stay out here and just do my own thing. But there was a window when I moved to Dallas, and I was working at this academy, and I was a partner in the academy, and I made so much less than I was supposed to. And I was like 26th time or something. And, you know, in college I had gotten good grades, and I had, like, other paths that I was probably supposed to do

because they were, like, you would make you more money or whatever. 26, 27-ish, and I think, and then, and at this academy, I'm making no money. Like, no, I made like $20,000, $19,000 that year and working, like, a lot of hours. And it was like, like, why did I go down this path? Like, this is, like, what did I do? This is the worst thing, right? So I had a point actually where I almost got out of golf instruction, where I was like, like, this is just, you know, I should have gone to law school, I should have done this or whatever.

and I kind of gave myself, I was like, okay, no, I'm going to spend five years and I'm going to pretend like I have no other option, my back's against the wall, and I'm going to either make this teaching business work or at that point I'll reevaluate. And, you know, at that point, like after five years, I was teaching some good players, I was doing stuff with golf magazine. So it's weird, right? In one sense, it happened way slower than I thought it would be because, like, I mean, I did everything I could. from when I started teaching to when I end up in Dallas doing like certifications, trying to find every teacher I could work for, like really being like, I'm so committed to this, and I'm going to do everything I can to be the best coach I can be. And then I'm in Dallas and making like no money, like don't know anybody out here. And I was like, this was the wrong decision.

So in some ways it was slower than I thought would be. But then when it started to kind of happen, it actually happened faster than I thought would be. You spent some time at Westlake Golf Club out in L.A. with George Dankis, obviously. And there's been a ton of great players out there. How was that time with him? A, what was your first impression of him? And B, did you take some of his, his teaching's a little unorthodox, too.

Did you take some of that and put it into what you do? Well, so I've known George for a long time, and I was teaching out there quite a while ago. I would say George has called me a bunch over the years, especially when I was going to grad school for biomechanics and kind of picking my brain about biomechanics stuff. And, you know, George is an awesome teacher, and he's, yeah, so I've known him for a long time, and we've kind of always sort of bounced stuff off each other. Yeah, I feel like the golf world really got to know you, obviously, when you started working with Tiger Woods. first off take us through how did that even come about and take us through the first time you

worked with him like was there was there nerves involved because i'd imagine i mean this is tiger woods like yeah first off pinch me like how the hell is this happening right now yeah yeah um and that kind goes back to before like the life lesson was like things happen slower than they never happen the timeline you think they will they happen slower than they think you will and they often they think they will right and it's like you're kind of plotting along i'm grinding teaching and all of a sudden you're working with tiger and like everything changes like in the in an instant right So, yeah, Noda Begay and myself have been friends for a while. He kind of followed my career in Dallas.

He was living in Dallas at the time. And he just thought it would be a really good fit. I was starting to teach guys on tour, so I was already out there. And he introduced us. And the first meeting with him was basically, hey, let's talk golf swing. And going into that, I was like, I mean, I was so nervous, right? I was like, I'm about to sit with Tiger Woods and talk golf swing. And I brought my laptop with a lot of my laptop with a lot of,

bunch of swings, bunch of swings of him over the years, different players just to kind of like talk about certain principles and relationships that I think, you know, he did when he played his best and that, you know, most great ball strikers do. And nervous going into it, but once we started talking golf, it was like, it's just like, that's my world, right? Like I spent my whole life, like, my whole adult life sort of studying this. So it's just like this was, it was just very natural for me to talk about golf swing and just talk about like kind of planning for what I think, you know, he should potentially do, that the nerves sort of melted away. And I just, you just kind of got into my own. So that's my next question. Like, so you have Tiger Woods,

arguably the greatest player that's ever played. Like, how do you pick apart his golf swing and be like, I think you should change that? Yeah. So I mean, it was at a time when he had made a variety of swing changes over his career and his body was not great. So the whole thing was like, look, in 2000, this is my kind of, you know, macro sort of bird's eye approach of it, was like in 2000, you hit the ball arguably better than anybody's hit it. Ever. Ever, right? Best golf we've ever seen. So in a lot of ways, to me, that's like the gold standard of how. to swing a club, especially for him specifically. Now maybe someone else, that's not the best swing for them. But for him, it's like, dude, you have the precedent of hitting the ball better

than anybody's ever hit it, like you did it, right? So we can use this as somewhat of a rough model, but your body can only do so much right now. So to me it was like, how do we take some of the things that you did back then, you know, particularly how you like deliver the club, how you release it, you know, just the way you controlled the face and all that. And match that with a body motion that can fit what your body can do now. So that was to me was the rough game plan of where I wanted to go. I would be like, I mean, that's like, like, hey, MJ, I think you should shoot the three. Yeah, you should probably bring that a little in. Like, I mean, that's just crazy. Like, that's got to be a little intimidating, like, going in. Yeah, I mean. But you're obviously confident

in what you do. And the thing is, the reality of it is, is he's made tons of swing changes. He's made tons of, like, you got to keep your elbow in for that analogy, right? But, but I would argue that the swing changes or places he should be was the stuff he was in 2000. So it's sort of like, you're making a swing change, but the swing changes are just to get back to what you were before, and you've already shown yourself to be able to make a variety of swing changes, because how many people is he sort of worked with? He's a guy that every teacher in the world who love the opportunity to work with. You go and you meet with him, you sit down.

What do you think it was about what you said that really registered with him? He was like, this is the guy I want to go with. I mean, I don't know. And in specific, it was like working around his injuries or something technical? Probably. I would guess so. And I think, I mean, in general, it's just sort of like, you know, planning out sort of the logic, just kind of like formulating the logic of why I think you should go in a certain direction

and then kind of like an overall arc of what that would look like. And I mean, I think that's kind of how I approach it with most people. It's like, hey, you're here. This is where I think you should get to because of the whys. And, you know, I try to make somewhat of a logical argument behind that why. And then this is the overall plan of how to get there. And with some people that plan resonates with, some people that doesn't and, you know, for whatever reason it is sort connected with him. When you look back at like your time with him, is there anything that kind of surprised you about Tiger? As far as like maybe how he went about the game or anything like that or just

because I heard he's like he's a, he's obviously a huge student of the game and he's very interested in all kinds of things like I'll back this up. Are you surprised like that he made as many swing changes as he did? Like when you have this year like 2000 or you win majors by 15 and by eight, like why would you ever change anything? Yeah. I mean, I think that's an interesting point because to me that's one of those like 20-20 hindsight type things, right?

So it's like if you were to look at Tiger's whole. whole career, he's probably made changes as a junior, as, you know, an early pro. His swing in 97 is very different than swing in 2000, right? So it's like he's always had the spirit of getting better, right? And you could say, okay, in 2000, he got to this point where it's like, why change it? But, like, you know, the spirit of getting better is what got him there. So I don't know how you kind of necessarily change that, right? You can always be like looking backwards and be like, oh, that was a bad decision. To me, the analogy I gave someone was like, If you have this billionaire, you know, investor, you can cherry pick one investment that didn't work out.

But if you take his overall investment strategy, you're like, this guy has done really well, right? So Tiger, if you look at his overall investment strategy in his game, you know, if you were to say a four-year-old Tiger, hey, we're going to book you at 15 majors for your career, it's like he would take that, right? So it's like- Absolutely. Is that one of the hardest challenges with guys like Tiger or Bryson now, it's like no matter how good they get. Like we sit here and talk about 2000, like being the pinnacle of golf, in my opinion. And that's the best it's ever been played that I've at least seen. But when he's doing it, he's so driven to get better that constantly is like, if I'm not changing or doing something to get better, then I'm going backwards or I'm staying here.

And that's hard for those guys to do. It's so hard. And I think that's the thing. The best probably oftentimes have a bit of that spirit. But how do you do it strategically where you sort of kind of minimize that downside, right? So to me, it is sort of like looking at like how you invest in something. And it's like a guy like Bryson, even with the changes we made over COVID. Because, yes, in hindsight, you know, Tiger probably shouldn't have changed.

swinging in 2000 maybe you can make that argument again I would say that overall spirit is just inherent to him and a lot of the great so you can't sort of like you know after the fact you're like oh you can't do stuff but can you make changes you know at different times that that you try to be sort of as strategic as possible that you mitigate that risk in a sense right and with bryson he's coming in saying hey I want to increase my clubbed speed it's like okay cool I want to change my body cool but there's a lot of people who have changed their body and have tried to get club at speed have lost their game so you got to be aware of that you You got to be aware of that risk existing.

And let's be very strategic of how we try to explore this potential upside, but minimize the risk. And the risk will not disappear. Don't like think that this is a guaranteed thing, but, you know, can we be smart about it? And this is where there is a lot of sort of courage for a player trying to get better. And there's been stories where people have lost their career and that sucks, right? And I think as coaches, this is where it's really important for us to kind of understand that risk and come up with a game plan that again, minimizes it, but, you know, as a bigger thing to me, like the people who do go down that path, there's a lot of courage in that. I think that deserves a lot of respect.

Obviously, let's get into Bryson, obviously. You know, you go from Tiger Woods, who's the most talked about golfer in the world. Now you go to Bryson DeShambo, who is now the next most talked about guy in the game of golf. You've been working with him for a while. He obviously went through this whole body change. Was it his idea, or was it, like, as a team, did you all come up with this, hey, let's put on these pounds, let's try to get more speed, or was this strictly up to Bryson and y'all just had to kind of deal with it? I mean, it's always their idea at the end of the day. I mean, but yeah, Bryson's the type of person like, how do I get better? How do we get better? Right? And that he's got a trainer in Colorado named Greg Roscoff. And, you know, just through talks,

they kind of talked about that plan. You know, I would bounce stuff off of him too, but it's like it was fundamentally driven by his desire of how do I get stronger to hit it farther. And this was the path that, you know, I would say him and Greg came up with. And then I was kind of like, you know, a person to bounce stuff off of. Were you like worried at all about this? Or you're like, yeah, what was your first reaction? He's like, I'm going to gain 35 pounds. I'm going to start trying to get two an amount of ball speed.

Were you like, uh, that seems drastic. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I'm nervous. Yeah. You got to, I mean, like you said, people make changes and it fails sometimes. And here's a guy that's a world-class player that's one on the PGA tour, and he's like, I'm going to totally change everything I do right now. It's got to be a tough, like, as part of his team, you've got to be like, oh, boy, I don't know.

And that's 100% of it. That was my whole thing. It's like, okay, you need to understand what the risk is, but I'm not saying don't do it. They wouldn't matter. You're just like, you're going to do it. Yeah. You strike to me the kind of guy who thinks something's going to work, but there's no convincing him otherwise. So, yeah, but exercise and utility for sure.

but to me it's like, okay, be smart about this. You're going to do this. I kind of know you're going to do it. And I'm not even saying like you shouldn't do it. Do it. Like, chase it. Like I think it's cool when people chase that sort of, that vision they have, that the highest level that they kind of see themselves being. It's like, okay, awesome. Do it smartly.

Measure stuff along the way. Kind of know the baseline of your swing where you're starting from. Because like you said, he was already a great player. So that way, if you kind of go down a path, it doesn't fit you, you have a better chance of unraveling that and kind of getting back to that previous baseline that you know worked at some capacity, right? So to me, like the analogy would be leaving

bread comes in the forest, so that way, you know, you don't end up getting lost in kind of the labyrinth of making these changes. Let me ask you this before you asked your next question. Do you think if, like, you have all this technology, all this 3D and everything, say 20 years, 30 years before this stuff happened, do you think Bryson could change his body and be successful without technology? Yes, 100%.

I just think the possibility of going down a path that didn't fit him and then not knowing how to get out of that would be higher. So I mean, look, if he went down the path he went down right now, hypothetically years before in this technology, it would have worked out. But what is the chances of him going down the correct path and then also where the chances of him going down the wrong path? I think that probability changes somewhat without having ways to kind of measure what you're doing along the way. the way. When he first came out and then this Bryson 2.0, whatever you want to call it right after COVID, the media got on there. There's a lot of naysayers. You can't do this. This won't work. You can't swing that hard and hit it on the planet. It's not going to work. Obviously, now it's worked. You just want these open by six shot. Are you shocked at all that how quickly

it has worked to make like a transformation that drastic and have it work out like really right off the bat? Like there wasn't much feeling out process where he was kind of struggling with. I feel like he's been all systems ago since COVID really. Yeah. Um, Yeah, I think the expectation would have been for it to not have worked out that quickly Both the speed gains and then also being able to control control and like your iron distance is changed. There's so many different things that change. It's not just like hey my body's bigger It's like every every club every shot and now looks different than it did for so long a hundred percent There's a lot of feeling out process there but not for him really I mean there was

But it has been quite and like you just said like you know getting your yardage is right like all that stuff is changing just like being able to score, right? So you could in theory sort of get the club at speed and say, okay, I'm figuring out ways to control it really well, but not score well because you don't know your yardage is anymore, or just like the whole kind of anatomy of your game has changed a bit, right? But this I think is a testimony to his work ethic.

And he spent so much time practicing, trying to figure stuff out that I think all those things that go into scoring, getting the yard is, kind of knowing your miss, things like that, he was able to sort of expedite that whole process, because of just the sheer amount of time and effort he's put into it. Yeah, and if you look back at like your time with Tiger and your time with Bryson, can you compare those to it all? Do they have any similarities or anything?

Other than being great players, obviously. Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, in terms of like, you know, Tiger obviously is known for like his work ethic. But, you know, when I was working with him, he just didn't have the, his Biden had the capacity to like hit a ton of balls, right? So there's, it was very strategic with how much time you could spend hitting balls just because of the back and all that. Bryson has the work ethic that I would imagine Tiger had it in his prime, so there's that sort of comparison. And then, you know, just that overall curiosity, they're both very curious people.

They both like love trying to understand the game, their own swing, just really kind of going deep into like thought of like what makes us all work. So very both very smart and curious. And then going back to that other thing, like kind of willing to take risk, right? They had this sort of this vision, this goal in their mind. And they're willing to sort of say, okay, I'm going to take the risk to kind of achieve that. Because at the end of the day, there's a cost of doing nothing also, right? You do nothing. There's how many people who have not ever tried to get better and lost your tour card?

So it's like we hear the horror stories of... Right, right here. I lost my mini tour card too. One of the worst days of my life, I lost my chicken card. Right? But it's like, so it's like, you know, people cherry pick the stories of like a guy may swing change lost his card. There's also people who didn't make swing change. and we're kind of like stagnant and lost her card.

So it's sort of like, you know, you got to sort of look at both sides. It's like a double-edged sword a little bit. A little bit. But all the attention is around Bryson and how far he's hitting and doing all the things. Just when he was only seventh in the field and driving distance, do you think the other aspects of Bryson's game are getting overlooked right now? Because he's unbelievable, especially at Winkley. We sat down with Jordan Speeith and he said the same thing.

He's like, you know, Bryson gets talked about all his distance. This guy is a world-class putter as well. He's top ten in putting. Like, it just doesn't get talked about it. He was unbelievable. He was second at the U.S. Open and scrambling. It's like, everyone talks about his dragon. I was like, dude, he was seventh that week, and he won by six.

So what aspects of his game do you think get overlooked the most? 100%. So he had his round on Saturday where he didn't hit it great. And, you know, he came off, but he stayed in there. Like chipped it awesome, got up and down, just over and over and over again, right? So that, like, that to me is, like, that mental tenacity, just hanging and hanging in. He got off the course. And, you know, Bryson loves, like, working on trying to control the ball.

He wants to be one of the best ball trackers of all time, right? He got off the course, and I looked at him, I was like, that's the round that wins of you is open. That right there, that's the round of a champion. That round where you're just hanging in there, don't have your best stuff, but you're not letting you get away from you, that's the one that wins this tournament. And then we went to the range and hit balls that night

and figured some stuff out. Came out Sunday, hit awesome. I was just about to ask you about that. Under the lights alone, people saw him working out there. It could have worked until midnight. What was that session like? What were you guys doing the night before the final round? I actually joked with him on the range.

It was like, you really want to get people talking? Let's just pull an all-nighter. Just like, stay here all night, playing the same clothes tomorrow. Just like, they'll freak out. And like, he's still there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, we just, you know, I was watching inside the whatever, the clubhouse,

not the tent area. And, you know, I was watching the whole round. I would actually film some swings on my phone. And, you know, he was struggling out there. So, like, there's some stuff that I saw, and we went to the range, talked about it. And, you know, he's just the type of person where he's like, I'm just not going to go to bed unless I'm.

I feel like I have a sense of what I was doing and how to correct it. So we stayed out there and, you know, we figured some stuff out of, he felt good. He's like, all right, I feel good. And then at that point, we got out of that. I was going to ask that because every time you turn on the TV, if there's a live from it, a major anything, you see Bryson on the range, smashing drivers, and you see him with the U.S. open. It's pitch dark. He's hitting balls.

Does this guy sleep at all? I know. It's tough. It's crazy to me. Like, are you on call 24-7? I get a call at 3 a.m. Hey, dude, woke up. I'm not feeling right.

Yeah. I mean, he may think so. I don't answer it. But seriously, like, I never see this guy like he never, he's always at the golf course. Yeah. He's, he's. He's committed to being, to being. That's why I'm sitting in this chair.

I didn't work. And I don't have talent. Other than that. Other than that. Other than that, we're there. But with what he's doing right now, I'm not saying players are going to go through the same drastic chance. I don't expect guys to put 30 pounds on and start doing the things that he's been doing

because that's so much time and effort. But do you expect the strategy or the mentality of the rest of the PJ Tour to change, seeing that Bryson is playing more aggressive, hitting more drivers, other guys like a CamChamp or a Tony Fiener, but dude, well, I can move it out there pretty good too. Why am I not doing this as often as Bryson? Maybe, yeah, I think so. I mean, I think...

A shift? Yeah, maybe so. I mean, the U.S. Open was like, you know, Mark Brody, the guy at Columbia, the PhD at Columbia, who did the strokes gain stats. You know, we had a conversation after the U.S. Open and we're talking. It was like, and this is my thing, thoughts going into it. You know, if you really take a course where the fairways are super wide, it becomes obvious that you should drive every hole, right?

Yeah. Okay. Now, take the other extreme, if you were to take a course where the fairway was like one yard wide or extreme There was no fairway you would also hit driver on every hole, right? So the fairways at wing foot were actually in a sense too narrow To bring in sort of the shorter straighter hitters because they're so narrow that no one's gonna hit a lot of fairways that it just became correct to like hit driver as far as you can You put it out there if you're in the rough you still have like a wedge into the green or a shorter into the green and you know the firmer the greens get the more the ball's gonna stop for from the angle of descent as opposed to spin, right? So like the extreme example I was trying to explain this

is like take a green that's made of cement, if I drop it vertically, it's gonna bounce, bounce, bounce, and settle, right? Or if I have a ball coming in at a sort of a lower angle descent with like a ton of spin, it's still gonna skip, right? So as the greens get firmer, actually that angle descent is a bigger effect of like how the ball will stop. So it's like Bryson, even if you smash it down there

and you can't spin out of the rough, you're just sort of hacking it out because you're hitting a shorter iron in, you can actually have a better chance to stop it than even someone from farther back who's producing more spend. Yeah, we did the serious XM coverage during the US Open and we talked about it all week. I'm like, these fairways are on average 24 yards wide. Like everyone's missing. Wasn't it 40 something percent field? 40 percent was the field average. I'm like, nobody. So if you miss a fairway, would you rather be 200 yards away or 150? I mean, there's everyone's missing them. So exactly. And first off, he put on a clinic that week.

100 percent. And this is where, you know, going back to like people kind of like adjusting. Look, we're trying to think about things. Like, this is one of the things where it's like, in my mind, it's like, dude, sends the right strategy. And, you know, a lot of people are saying, okay, it's more but a premium on a fairway, and I just, I don't think of Matt. What if the fairways were, it's like they were 10 yards wider on average at Winkfoot, and now that the top guys are hitting 60-something percent,

without a change of strategy at all? Or do you think they just still ship? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's probably a sweet spot of how wide the fairways should be that would bring more people into play, more of the field into play. So obviously when you think about the transformation Bryson made, in my mind, it wasn't built for a U.S. Open. It's more built for Augusta National, which we had Jordan Spieth on our show, and he said basically the Masters is Bryson's to lose with what he's doing. What are your thoughts about Bryson with back to Mac majors coming up at Augusta National? I mean, yeah, I mean, Augusta National likes people who hit it far. But, I mean, you still got to, I mean, Augusta's, you got to do everything so well out there.

So, I mean, sure, like hitting it far is going to be an advantage. I think historically that's probably shown to be the case. But look, you know, it hasn't been always bombers that have won out there. You have to do everything else really, really well. But, I mean, it's so cool to hear a guy like Jordan Spee who's absolutely dominated around Augusta. He was like taking us through some of the holes. He's like, dude, the fairways become so wide where this guy can hit it. Like, I mean, he's, obviously, he's the favorite going into Augusta.

Do you think he should be? I mean, people are going to have their conjecture and the odds will be set and all that, and that's cool. Bryson, one shot at a time. I'm staying in the moment. You still have to get the ball in a hole. Should we bet him at 10 to 1. Just give me a blink. Just wink at the against.

If they're saying the odds, they probably, they're pretty good at what they do. Let me ask you this, though, because I met Bryson when he was at SMU. I went to SMU and Josh Gregory had me come out and I played around with Bryce and at Royal Oaks. And he's got the one-length clubs and all this. And I was huge. I was like, dude, everything you do is awesome. You're your own dude. Everything's great.

But I will never agree with having a 60-degree wedge the length of a six iron. Like you can't be an elite short game guy. Did you ever have concerns about that or was this just, you know, this works for him? You know, I mean, short game, let me lose. Winkfoot a short game was awesome, right? And his wedges are getting better. And, you know, now that, now that he's kind of got this. distance, we've actually focused a lot of the time on how to get the short irons better

because you're just going to have more of them, you know, hitting it farther, you're going to have a higher frequency of shorter clubs in, and they've gone a lot better. You know, I've had a conversation with his longtime coach Mike Shai, who they came up with the whole single-length stuff a while ago, and he's like, I don't know why people such makes such a big deal about, you know, the wedges being, you know, the same length. He's like, just choke up on it. It's like, okay, I think that's a really, really valid point. So, because I, to me, I was unbiased.

It was like, you know, whatever. Like, you know, at the end of the day, I just want him to like, you know, play great, you know, through the bag or whatever. But yeah, I mean, look, one, you can choke up on it. And two, now they've been allocating more time in that direction. It's definitely on the right trajectory with where it's going. Yeah, he's doing okay. Yeah, it's working out, whatever you guys are doing. But speaking of what are you doing?

What do you guys do differently, if anything, leading up to a guttabing? It's a pretty unique golf course, different. You guys tweak your prep, like, compared to what you did for wing foot? Or is it more the same? Probably just more the same. Just kind of really going through his whole stuff to where he feels like his swing is in a place where he can control the ball.

He does a lot of testing always with his equipment just trying to get it just in the right spot. So I wouldn't say too much different in terms of prep. I think he just has his process that, you know, again, there's a course in front of you. You go through that process to prepare for the tournament. Now maybe strategically, different courses would yield different kind of like you know strategies going into it you know for the US Open again the

correct strategy was to just send it I guess it would probably be similar I would imagine so you know I compared to the US Open I don't think it would be that different there's hypothetically other courses that may yield a different strategy going forward but you know I guess is I think. Graeme broke don't fix it but I got to know because he's been talking about I'm sure you've seen it there's talk of this 48 inch driver potentially coming out just is a place that's been floated have you seen seeing it A and B, is it, what percent chance do you give it that that thing makes its debut at

Augusta? I mean, the cool thing about Bryson is that, is that there's no sort of like box, right? He's not the type of person who's like, it has to be this, the single-length clubs. I think that's a great example. Like, why do the clubs have to be different lengths? So he's going to rethink the problem and be like, is there a better solution for me? Why does the driver have to be, you know, 45 or whatever it is, right? Can I play with the longer driver potentially? So there is no sort of box he's working within other than the rules of golf, which is great. It's like this open territory to explore things. Going to Augusta with a 48, I don't know, we'll see.

It's still very early on on that whole thing. Again, like you can't, you know, it's not just about hitting it far, and I think that's what Bryson has done great is he hits it far, but he's got a pretty good control over his golf ball with the driver, right? And it's actually great control. So, to be seen, I don't know. What kind of ball speed have you seen him get with a 48? he's gone up to, like he'll be in the 200s.

That's good. That's useful. What's the threshold? Like, all right, so let's say the 48 inch and he's hitting it 200 plus every single time. How crooked would he have to get with it before he's like, no, that's the point of diminishing returns here? I don't know the exact number. It can be different for different courses.

I don't know the exact sort of like the ratio of like sideways. Like dispersion. Yeah, per length. That's something that, you know, we'll, as we get further along with it, we'll kind of talk about what that right ratio would be. If I could hit 200, it'd be no matter what. Yeah. But that is a thing though. It does become where if you hit it farther, you can hit it up to a certain point. You can hit it a little wider and still be strokes

gained, you know, sort of a net game with it all. So. But we got to get into our emergency nine, nine fun questions, get to know you, your people, a little better. And we do this with everyone, our number one question. There's a movie made about the life of Chris Como. You can pick any actor to play you who plays you oh geez come on this is a hard-hitting questions listen you don't even know movies unlike the worst to dust i guess Gary Woodland picked Denzel Washington for him so obviously it doesn't have to be like yeah we're loose we're very liberal with uh who will allow so we have I actually have an opinion you got one yeah yeah Miles Teller I don't even know who that is oh he's a

funny guy dark of the hit Hollywood we got to get you out the golf lab get you out a little bit more I'd watch a turn on Netflix. I'm not well-rounded. You got a TV right here. We can watch some stuff. I'm not a well-rounded individual. I got Chris O'Donnell. Oh, love Chris O'Donnell.

You know what that is? Yeah, Robin. I'll go with that. Robin was, Chris. I want to go with the guy I don't know. Miles Teller. Sure. You'd like him.

He's great. He's funny. Girls like him too. All right. Why him? You just kind of look like him to me. I got that vibe. I mean, I'm looking for someone that can play you.

Okay. Smart. Yeah. Chris O'Donnell was actually at our Walker Cup in Ireland. Oh, really? He's a big golf? He loves golf. He randomly come, and I play AT&T at Pebble Beach the next February, and I'm on the range at balls. He goes, I haven't seen you since you were passing out shots over at Royal County Down.

I'm like, oh, my God, you were there? I don't remember you being there. That's awesome. That was great. I think you guys are going to answer all these questions for me, to be honest. That's my prediction. No, just that one. Just that we come prepared for that.

All right. Next one. Favorite all-time golf swimming. Ooh. John, man, who knows it all. Tiger 2000 Tiger 2000 yeah I think so

I mean I mean I'm gonna buzz you out if you said anything but I'm such a pragmatist to me like a good golf swing is defined by what the ball does and the ball did just like

what the best that we've ever seen it back then you know a lot of people kind of like romanticize like say Hogan or whatever which obviously hit awesome but to me it's like you know Tiger just from a practical perspective hit the ball so high that it's like you can stop the ball

on firm greens, major championship setups. His game was just designed to wear out a major championship setup. So to me, just the utility of his ball flight and all that, that's the gold standard. Yeah, I mean, 2000 is the best in damn near every statistical category that matters.

So, yeah, that one works. All right, number three, do you think Tiger Woods has underachieved in his career? I mean, look, this is a... I love this question. This is such a 2020 hindsight sort a thing. The guy at every point his career did everything he could to get better at the game. And in hindsight, you could say maybe cherry pick one decision or whatever and be like, oh, that maybe wouldn't have been the best or whatever. I would not call it underachieving. I would

call it, you know, this is one of those things where, yes, if you were to cherry pick and say, don't change your swing from 2000, does he win more majors? Maybe so. But it's such a sort of a silly sort of 2020 hindsight sort of perspective in my life. You just call my question silly. Not the question. It's not true. No, no. It's actually true.

But just like at his decision points, he was doing what got him to that place. So, you know, I don't know. I wouldn't call it underachieving. I would just say, you know, a little bit of kind of life variance, I guess. Yeah, there's some variables thrown into the mix there. I mean, this one's completely unrelated. I'm just looking around right here. It looks like ultimately possibly the best man cave situation ever set up in here.

What's the next thing you add? in here where do you go from here? Ooh we just put the TV up so maybe maybe kind of like finish it out a little bit I think like maybe a new weight set would be kind of cool yeah that's that's does he do like pinky curls with those briskson yeah exactly that's my setup that is yeah um that's not cool eyeball on that you probably hop on that afterwards move some real weight I don't know any suggestions maybe I think just kind of finishing it out right now maybe like a mural on the wall of bryson's head on a bull Taking the bull by the horns.

That'd be good. Think about that. All right. I like the mural idea. I don't know what the mural would be at, but I like some kind of weird mural thing in here would be cool. Staying on the topic of Bryson, other than golf,

does he do anything for fun? I mean, he's obviously loves working out. No, fun. No, that's not fun. Yeah, exactly. He plays Fortnite. He's really good of Fortnite, I think. He's super into that.

Twitch or whatever. Yeah. I think that's his kind of like escape. That's his reprieve from like, just the intensity of his work. I got him to take a shot with me one time. Oh, you did. He was probably hung over for a week.

Yeah, he's not. Yeah, get it out. All right, next question. If you could have the opportunity to work with one non-golf athlete, who you haven't previously worked with, who would you want to work with? Non-golf. Non-golf.

Non-golf. So an athlete. Madonna. Madonna, Jimmy Ben. Oh. Oh, I don't even know who they answered. It would be someone, if someone was like a good athlete and they really wanted to kind of like,

just really make a big jump in their game and we're willing to kind of like just do whatever sort of take on that risk. That would be really fun. That was the cool, like I loved working with Madonna because he was like, man, I will change my swing,

I will work on it. And from where he started, he got a lot better. And that was a really fun project. So I don't know. Like to me, I'm not really a, like, oh, I want to work with this person. It's more like,

what's the attitude and the work ethic they're going to go into working that would make it fun for me. You obviously work with Mike Madonna. Have you worked with anyone who has more challenges mentally than Mike? Madonna. Yeah, you know, Mike worked really hard at his game, so it depends on how he defined

challenges because he worked really hard and he got a lot better at the game and he was a good player, right? His swing's beautiful. Yeah. On the range, you're like, oh my God, that looks like a play on tour. Yeah. I mean, he kind of moans and I think that moaning sort of attitude can be a little bit misinterpreted, right? But he's a good competitor, even on the golf course, he's a good competitor. I would say absolutely he does not have the worst when it comes down to a mental game. I think that's a little bit... Whoever's above him? No, I mean, look, if you were to just sort of like video someone and being like, what is their attitude like on the golf course, sure, he's going to be a contender for that.

But I think deep down aside, when he's over a shot, he's able to settle down and focus. And he's a good golfer. It's because he was like one of the best hockey players in the world. He used to be the best and he comes to golf and if every shot's not perfect, he's like, I suck. And some people, that's just like their spiel, like, uh, right? But that's different than when they're over a shot, are they really kind of like, you know, battling sort of. of demons or whatever, are they able to kind of settle in and execute? The guy's a great competitor, so he's obviously, I think

he's got that ability to execute. Yes, he's a project. We'll elaborate on that way to get him on. All right, next question. If you had a kid and you couldn't teach them yourself, what teacher would you want to send them? Oh, that's a cool question. That's a cool question.

Right now in golf instructor, there's so many good teachers out there. So this is a hard one to choose because there's a lot of great coaches out there that I would feel very comfortable with my kid working with. You know, a guy like Adam Schreiber would work with Anthony Kim for a long time. Shriver's a legend. Yeah, Shreber is a legend. Like I've known, like I would drive when I was 19 years old to from L.A. to Palm Springs to go watch him teach. I think he's got some really great stuff.

So like he'd be up there. Guy like Brady Riggs out in California, also an unbelievable teacher. Mike Adams in Florida, great, great teacher. So, I mean, it's a pretty good list. I mean, again, there's a lot. You can't just name everyone. Okay. I mean, I guess.

There's a lot of interviews, dude. He knows what he's doing. I know. Yeah, we ain't done anything like this. We get to the point. So. You got to pick one. Okay.

Brian Ziegler at Dallas National. See, that is such a cop-out answer. He's an awesome teacher. This guy's awesome. Come on. If you try to, maybe you can try to book me in a corner of it. Yeah, that's exactly what we do. Brian Ziegler, Dallas National,

that's the plug for my boy right there. That is unbelievable. I have a disappointing group, right now. Sorry, guys. All right. All right. Next question. Me and you're going to be roommates.

We'll be living with you. Six months. How much distance could you get me? Come on the shortest guys on the planet. height and distance six months I'll do everything you say for six months I'm gonna do everything you say I'm dedicating myself I'm still gonna go out at night though that's okay I can't do that okay I gotta have some fun every once in a while how much distance can you get me oh we can give you 20 yards I might have to do it maybe time but

you have to do some things though are you gonna charge me right an extra twomp are you gonna charge me rant can you cook no but I know people I know people I know order postmates. There you go. You're in. We'll figure something out. Oh, man. All right, Chris, well, thank you so much.

Yeah. Appreciate this. Thank you guys. I feel like letting it's in here. This place is unbelievable. And I'm looking forward to seeing what you guys got up next, Marble. Thank you. Congrats.

All right. And that was the brilliant Chris Como. I mean, that was so cool to be in the lab. See where Bryson has been training and all this and just pick his brain a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. See some, hear about some of the numbers he puts up in there, what he's working on going forward.

That 48-inch driver is getting a lot of attention right now. If you're a betting man, do we see the 48 inch driver he was a little he was a little vague with that obviously bryson keeps everything close to the best if you had to bet right now do we see the 48 inch driver at augusta in play at least one day you think we see it actually in tournament competition with him going he's taking four weeks off right now to go home and fine tune everything said he's going to hit over 2,000 drivers just 2,000 dogs to get ready just to tighten it all up and the way he was acting from his interviews he wouldn't give any numbers but he acted like it was substantially longer than his current driver

I mean, if he hits it 20, 30 yards further than he is now, I mean, look out if he can keep it, as long as he can keep from hitting these massive foul balls. It's all about what's the miss look like when you get a driver that big. I'm sure his good ones are going to go mile. I mean, they're going to be weird numbers that we've never seen before, but what's the miss look like? But on the other side of that argument, if you're going to look at a golf course, Augusta National from trees is a tree, that's basically where you got to keep it

inside of. There's no rough really to speak of, you know, just a little bit of the first cut there. That's the place. So if the miss isn't massive, I wouldn't be at all shocked to see that thing come out of Augusta. I'd still put it less than 50-50 in my mind, but damn, he's still crazy enough to do. And it's hard to argue with what he's doing right now, dude. He was in it at 3.50 plus all week in Las Vegas and hitting it straight. You've bet on worse things than 50-50. I've been way worse stuff than that. But one thing I wanted to get into Como, which we didn't have time to.

I mean, he's a good-looking, young, single man. Like, what happens when you bring a bird back to the place and, you want to come back to the crib? This is my living room. Want to come back to the crib? You want to hit a few? You got a lot of cameras around, though, and if you're going to look on the bright side, you know what I mean? Better than Mark Blackburn's set up when he was bringing them back to the cart barn. Good point. You know what I mean? At least this is an actual house in there.

Man, but speaking of Blackburn, talking with him and Chris Como were two of my favorite interviews because I feel like you learned so much from these guys. They're both brilliant guys. But Chris Como, I mean, the time he spent with Tiger and now Bryson, it's just so cool to see the work he's done. How about his story, too, going from a guy that was making no money, thinking about quitting, you know, the golf industry because he literally couldn't get by. To now all of a sudden you fast forward, he's worked with the two biggest names.

but the two most talked about names in golf of the last probably decade, at least, Tiger Woods and Bryson DeShamba, what he's made out of himself from a guy that was struggling to get by in the golf industry to now one of the preeminent, you know, instructors in the world. Like, that's a pretty wild story, too. Yeah, it was awesome to sit down with him. And I know you guys love our gambling picks. We're working on which kind of bet we want this year.

We're going to get back into it starting at the Masters in November. So be thinking maybe you could tweet us. Yeah, let us know. Let us know what you think we should put on the line this year. Yeah, we're looking for a format. How should it work? Last year we did one favorite. one middle guy and then two long shots if you think if you can think of a better format or

something like that feel free to fire it to our subpar Instagram or Twitter and also what should be on the line because last year we had a good bet that will be paid off but it takes so long for us to settle maybe we settle up more frequently this time going forward but the golf gambling picks will be back soon yeah that's at golf underscore subpar let us know what you think let's go ahead and tease this next guest yeah man this is this is a big one I think I mean I'm not 100% sure but I'm pretty sure this is one of the first times our guy Tony Romo has sat down with anyone for this long and just opened up to us yeah you can peel off the internet go in there look for whatever you want Tony's not a guy that sits down and does a whole lot of sit down

interviews with anybody so he's a hard man to get a hold of luckily we got him and he'll be dropping next week and we get into a lot of golf a lot of football a lot of everything but what a trip to Dallas this is we're only on two or three right now one more coming next week number nine we'll be in the building we're not going to tell you too much you have to Stay tuned. That's going to do it for this week's golf subpar. We'll talk to you next week.